**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 01 02:59:57 2010
Jun 01 03:25:19 <Spyral> alright. this is ridiculous. my pre continues to suck battery at an alarming rate. text messages won't pop up, and the uberkernel won't scale because i have a faulty processor
Jun 01 03:25:44 <halfhalo> doctor!
Jun 01 03:26:16 <Spyral> im more than happy to doctor, but what's causing the problem? if i doctor and restore, how will i know that i don't just repeat the problem?
Jun 01 03:26:32 <halfhalo> psh
Jun 01 03:26:43 <halfhalo> no idea
Jun 01 03:27:03 <Spyral> guess i have no choice.
Jun 01 03:27:25 <Spyral> if i want to completely wipe the thing, do i need to doctor and full erase, or just doctor?
Jun 01 03:27:43 <halfhalo> I go full erase then doctor, but I dont think a full is needed
Jun 01 03:27:44 <rwhitby> full erase and then doctor
Jun 01 03:27:53 <halfhalo> and my damn caps lock light is broken again
Jun 01 03:28:09 <Spyral> a full might not be needed, but id rather be thorough.
Jun 01 03:28:25 <rwhitby> to be really thorough, you full erase, then backup, then doctor
Jun 01 03:28:41 <rwhitby> (noting that this will wipe your palm profile clean too)
Jun 01 03:29:13 <halfhalo> ok, and now its back
Jun 01 03:29:21 <halfhalo> Stupid kb
Jun 01 03:29:54 <Spyral> I dont want to wipe my profile clean. i have paid for apps on there
Jun 01 03:30:00 <Spyral> paid-for
Jun 01 03:30:35 <egaudet> anyone have any idea how to insert text from a notification scene into an active foreground text field?
Jun 01 03:30:49 <Spyral> i just want to make sure everything on the physical phone is removed so as to not get in the way or the restore process.
Jun 01 03:30:50 <rwhitby> they stay as bought, and you just download them again without needing to pay for them again
Jun 01 03:31:19 <rwhitby> Spyral: there's a tiny possibility that what is causing your problem is in the cookies and stuff that is backed up in the palm profile
Jun 01 03:31:49 <rwhitby> but you can always take a two-step approach and try just a full erase and doctor first
Jun 01 03:32:33 <Spyral> is there a guide i can consult in regards to what you recommend i do? outside of erase and recover via palm profile, i don't quite understand what is being done.
Jun 01 03:33:28 <Spyral> full erase, run the backup app, and then run the doctor?
Jun 01 03:34:29 <rwhitby> there is no guide and you should not believe anything anyone says.  it's all black magic
Jun 01 03:34:45 <rwhitby> (you shouldn't trust what I say about it either)
Jun 01 03:35:02 <Spyral> well, why can't my magic be just as good as everyone elses?
Jun 01 03:35:19 <bpadalino> do you have a good magic word?
Jun 01 03:35:31 <Spyral> blathering blatherskite
Jun 01 03:35:39 <bpadalino> that could do it!
Jun 01 03:36:18 <Spyral> bleh. if cookies backed up into the palm profile are causing an issue, it won't do much to improve my opinion of palm as of late
Jun 01 03:36:43 <rwhitby> if you're using homebrew, it's probably not Palm's fault
Jun 01 03:36:55 <rwhitby> especially if you're overclocking
Jun 01 03:36:58 <bpadalino> reading logs and checking out what the phone is doing is always a good first step
Jun 01 03:37:37 <Spyral> i understand. most of the homebrew i run is from webos-internals. so i trust it to a degree to not light my phone on fire
Jun 01 03:37:47 <halfhalo> hah
Jun 01 03:37:49 <JackieRipper> good morning
Jun 01 03:38:19 <zsoc> I try to light people's phones on fire, hasn't worked yet
Jun 01 03:38:25 <rwhitby> Spyral: if you're overclocking, you always run the risk of the processor introducing subtle bit changes in unexpected places at unexpected times.
Jun 01 03:38:43 <Spyral> i don't overclock anymore since the 800mhz speed increase kills the battery even faster. i only recently installed the kernel in an attempt to downclock to save battery life
Jun 01 03:44:27 <Spyral> so, i run the doctor after palm returns the profile info to my device, right?
Jun 01 04:06:34 <zsoc> ~crickets
Jun 01 04:06:35 * infobot chirps uninterestedly
Jun 01 04:12:15 <halfhalo> theres a dog on me
Jun 01 04:12:17 <halfhalo> ...
Jun 01 04:24:55 <Spyral> so.. i dont get it. after a full erase, what is running the doctor supposed to do?
Jun 01 04:25:06 <rwhitby> fix the OS files
Jun 01 04:25:11 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 01 04:25:15 <halfhalo> and burns the witches
Jun 01 04:25:22 <Spyral> wouldnt a full erase do that?
Jun 01 04:25:49 <halfhalo> not if its restoring from baaaaaaaaaaad files
Jun 01 04:26:07 <zsoc> if i only had an option to do 1, i would doctor
Jun 01 04:26:08 <Spyral> hm. i suppose it's not like recovering from a Windows Mobile ROM image. im familiar with that
Jun 01 04:26:44 <halfhalo> no idea how wm roms works
Jun 01 04:26:44 <Spyral> well, ive already erased. palm reloaded everything back onto the phone. running the doctor will stick me at v1.03.
Jun 01 04:27:15 <halfhalo> all I know is I managed to kill an hp ipaq by running a program
Jun 01 04:27:31 <Spyral> that's WM for ya
Jun 01 04:27:37 <rwhitby> Spyral: why would you run a v1.03 doctor?
Jun 01 04:28:00 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Jun 01 04:28:00 <Spyral> because its the one that wosqi downloaded?
Jun 01 04:28:17 <halfhalo> yay old versions
Jun 01 04:28:21 <rwhitby> why would you trust wosqi to download the correct doctor for you?
Jun 01 04:28:37 <Spyral> because Jason isn't a moron?
Jun 01 04:28:45 <rwhitby> are you running 3.12?
Jun 01 04:28:55 <Spyral> yessir
Jun 01 04:29:04 <zsoc> ahem
Jun 01 04:29:16 <rwhitby> so you're running wosqi 3.12, and today it downloaded webos doctor 1.03 for you?
Jun 01 04:29:42 <rwhitby> I find that hard to believe, especially since Palm pulled the links for all the old doctor versions over a month ago
Jun 01 04:29:55 <Tibfib> this conversation is win.
Jun 01 04:30:02 * halfhalo doesn't use woxqi
Jun 01 04:30:20 <halfhalo> you heard me
Jun 01 04:30:26 <halfhalo> web osx quick install
Jun 01 04:30:58 <rwhitby> halfhalo: did you get the back from zsoc yet?
Jun 01 04:31:02 <Spyral> not today. i frequently delete the doctor because i dont need it, but qi forces me to download it each time
Jun 01 04:31:03 <halfhalo> nope
Jun 01 04:31:11 <halfhalo> but no mail today due to memorial day
Jun 01 04:31:20 <halfhalo> the envelopes should be here sometime this week
Jun 01 04:31:36 <rwhitby> Spyral: humour me and get wosqi to download the doctor today ...
Jun 01 04:31:37 <zsoc> rwhitby: yeah, the whole memorial day thing
Jun 01 04:31:37 <zsoc> what a silly holiday
Jun 01 04:31:53 <rwhitby> zsoc: I'm loving it - no emails from customers
Jun 01 04:32:00 <halfhalo> hah
Jun 01 04:32:02 <halfhalo> email
Jun 01 04:32:21 <zsoc> rwhitby: i still don't understand how your customers are americans
Jun 01 04:32:23 <Spyral> ok
Jun 01 04:32:48 <rwhitby> zsoc: all the customers of my place of work are outside of australia, but not just americans
Jun 01 04:34:07 <Spyral> it is downloading a file named webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar. same as the links you gave me.  ill see what version it is
Jun 01 04:35:46 <rwhitby> it will be 1.4.1.1
Jun 01 04:36:00 <halfhalo> that version is for pansies
Jun 01 04:36:10 <halfhalo> real men use 1.4.eleventy
Jun 01 04:36:24 <Spyral> the one wosqi downloads?
Jun 01 04:36:32 <halfhalo> yeah
Jun 01 04:36:57 <halfhalo> I think my sprint pre is running 1.4.1.1 and the vzw pre is running… something?
Jun 01 04:38:53 <Spyral> hm. how do i tell what version of the doctor im running once i launch it?
Jun 01 04:39:06 <halfhalo> should say in title bar
Jun 01 04:39:42 <Spyral> it gives me a sprint build # and a 3/25/10 date
Jun 01 04:41:18 <zsoc> sounds right
Jun 01 04:42:15 <Spyral> I see the issue. Clicking the Panic button in qi brings up a hard-coded dialog box that says it will restore the Pre to version 1.03. I assume he hasn't updated that in months
Jun 01 04:43:07 <Spyral> yeah. the build date and #s match the one hosted on webos-internals.org
Jun 01 04:46:42 <Spyral> so, im assuming that Preware and Save/Restore shouldn't have an adverse effect on battery life or phone performance if i were to install them..
Jun 01 05:14:52 <ele> How can i load the preware thing on my palm pixi
Jun 01 05:14:53 <ele> ??
Jun 01 05:16:08 <ele> Thought it was a chat help thing
Jun 01 05:16:09 <ele> alooooo
Jun 01 05:16:10 <ele> lol
Jun 01 05:17:47 <Tibfib> heh
Jun 01 05:17:59 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 01 05:18:45 <halfhalo> Watching cops like show
Jun 01 05:18:51 <halfhalo> THAT bored
Jun 01 05:20:11 <halfhalo> White trash drunk person.  Makes quality crap tv
Jun 01 05:21:03 <halfhalo> Oh
Jun 01 05:21:10 <halfhalo> AND a swastika tat
Jun 01 05:21:56 <halfhalo> and now a hippie.  Stoned hippie
Jun 01 05:22:07 <zsoc> I THOUGHT IT WAS A CHAT HELP THING
Jun 01 05:22:10 <halfhalo> really big eyes
Jun 01 05:22:24 <halfhalo> YOU THOUGHT WRONG!
Jun 01 05:23:37 <halfhalo> Jesus
Jun 01 05:23:52 <halfhalo> this guys eyes are the size of watermelons
Jun 01 05:25:23 <halfhalo> HA
Jun 01 05:25:31 <halfhalo> Guy got nailed for being drunk at seaworld
Jun 01 05:29:34 <halfhalo> "I only had a few drinks…. like 3 beers.  And like 2 chaser shots after each…  and then some before……."
Jun 01 05:30:05 <halfhalo> "It wasn't public urination, I was taking a dump!"
Jun 01 05:46:54 <rwhitby> halfhalo: thanks for immortalising that in the logs for Google to cache forever more ...
Jun 01 05:47:13 <halfhalo_pre> it's what I do
Jun 01 05:47:26 <halfhalo_pre> along with that other thing I do
Jun 01 05:50:12 <Spyral> skat?
Jun 01 05:50:20 <halfhalo_pre> no
Jun 01 05:50:37 <halfhalo_pre> stealing things
Jun 01 05:50:55 <Spyral> thief
Jun 01 05:51:10 <halfhalo_pre> like only one wheel from a wheelie chair and hiding it in a desktop
Jun 01 05:51:33 <Spyral> that's more prankster than anything else
Jun 01 05:51:48 <Spyral> or mischievous dick
Jun 01 05:52:01 <halfhalo_pre> this guy is claiming his grandfather is the first king of hawaii
Jun 01 05:52:35 <halfhalo_pre> and I prefer the title of... asset management and organization
Jun 01 05:54:17 <halfhalo_pre> hmmm
Jun 01 05:54:29 <halfhalo_pre> where are my lockpicks....
Jun 01 05:55:33 <Spyral> what is the newest version of save/restore?
Jun 01 05:55:38 <halfhalo_pre> drunk people or funny on tv
Jun 01 05:56:20 <halfhalo_pre> you can quote me on that
Jun 01 05:58:46 <halfhalo_pre> this ep should be called in jail drunk and special olympics, the best of
Jun 01 06:04:00 <halfhalo_pre> woooo drunk angry people!
Jun 01 06:07:11 <halfhalo_pre> "Im on a natural high".  well that natural high is making the door appear 6 feet from where it is.
Jun 01 08:47:34 <iDG> hello all.
Jun 01 08:48:33 <iDG> Can I ask a question?
Jun 01 08:49:24 <iDG> I am trying to control the ipkg service with luna-send.
Jun 01 08:51:09 <iDG> If I say luna-send -n 1 'palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/version' '{}'
Jun 01 08:51:24 <iDG> I get back ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue": true, "version": "1.1.1", "apiVersion": "12"}
Jun 01 08:51:30 <iDG> which is Ok.
Jun 01 08:51:58 <iDG> but, if I say luna-send -n 1 'palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/getListFile' '{subscribe: true, feed: "webos-patches"}'
Jun 01 08:52:16 <iDG> I get back ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"serviceName":"org.webosinternals.ipkgservice","returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"org.webosinternals.ipkgservice is not running."}
Jun 01 08:52:25 <iDG> which sounds odd.
Jun 01 09:03:37 <iDG> mmhhh... yeah... everybody is probably sleeping now.
Jun 01 10:22:22 <iDG> still very silent...
Jun 01 12:01:47 <rwhitby> iDG: that is weird
Jun 01 15:00:23 <iDG> yeah it is.
Jun 01 15:00:36 <iDG> consider that Preware works perfectly.
Jun 01 15:50:29 <iDG> bye...
Jun 01 17:07:10 <einalex> hi guys! can someone tell me why my home directory is owned by oprofile and if it would hurt to change the permissions to my user account?
Jun 01 17:20:09 <halfhalo_T400> PARTY TIME!
Jun 01 17:20:38 * nt4cats gets out the party hats
Jun 01 17:21:47 * nt4cats gets out the party ball-gags
Jun 01 17:21:53 * nt4cats gets out the party restraints
Jun 01 17:22:18 <halfhalo_T400> hmm
Jun 01 17:22:18 <halfhalo_T400> aparently the pre plus is still on
Jun 01 17:24:11 <halfhalo_T400> it shall die in a fire
Jun 01 17:24:11 <halfhalo_T400> or run out of power, that's cool to
Jun 01 17:26:03 <bpadalino|work> http://gizmodo.com/5552545/smokescreen-converts-flash-to-javascript-on-the-fly - very very interesting
Jun 01 17:27:13 <halfhalo_T400> that says gizmodo in it.. I no clicky...
Jun 01 17:27:13 <halfhalo_T400> well. tappy....
Jun 01 17:27:32 <bpadalino|work> sorry, it links to this: http://smokescreen.us/
Jun 01 17:28:44 <halfhalo_T400> ohh... read about that
Jun 01 17:28:52 <halfhalo_T400> wip, no ?
Jun 01 17:29:47 <halfhalo_T400> running of 2 evdo bars
Jun 01 17:29:47 <halfhalo_T400> slow...
Jun 01 17:30:15 <bpadalino|work> yes, soon to be open sourced
Jun 01 17:30:29 <halfhalo_T400> cool
Jun 01 17:32:01 <halfhalo_T400> meh, not loading on phone
Jun 01 17:32:01 <halfhalo_T400> the demo that is
Jun 01 17:42:26 <chrisa> It appears I will be at this WWDC shindig
Jun 01 17:42:57 <halfhalo_T400> nice
Jun 01 17:43:15 <nt4cats> I'd go if I had some way to get to the Bay area ...
Jun 01 17:43:47 <halfhalo_T400> I'd go if e three wasn't the week after
Jun 01 18:38:05 <swisstomcat> evening
Jun 01 18:45:56 <einalex> hm, is it possible to use publickey authentication with non-root accounts on the pre? i can't get it to work. the client sees publickey auth as available, sends the key, but there is no answer and so he turns on to password login
Jun 01 18:47:29 <einalex> or is there a way to get openssh to output some logs?
Jun 01 18:57:51 <ka6sox> einalex, in /opt/etc/openssh/sshd_config you need to set the location of the authorized_keys file in: #AuthorizedKeysFile
Jun 01 18:58:00 <ka6sox> remove the # and set the relative path.
Jun 01 19:09:04 <nt4cats> einalex: someone already may have mentioned this, but be aware that future webOS updates may overwrite /etc/passwd and therefore [temporarily] break your non-root account
Jun 01 19:13:20 <nt4cats> 'lo swissy
Jun 01 19:17:32 <swisstomcat> 'lo nt4cats
Jun 01 19:31:18 <einalex> actually
Jun 01 19:31:24 <einalex> the problem was the following:
Jun 01 19:31:53 <einalex> my home had group permissions set to oprofile
Jun 01 19:32:30 <einalex> which is i think the default
Jun 01 19:32:41 <einalex> i switched it to $username:$username
Jun 01 19:32:55 <einalex> and reset permissions to go-w
Jun 01 19:33:00 <einalex> 700 ssh
Jun 01 19:33:08 <einalex> 600 .ssh/authorized_keys
Jun 01 19:33:26 <einalex> no change to sshd_config necessary
Jun 01 19:34:23 <einalex> nt4cats, ka6sox thanks for your help though
Jun 01 19:38:11 <kernel> Hey there I had a question, I submitted a beta app to palm this weekend, I see it on palms site, and precentral etc.. but it does not show up in preware, is there a length of time before it shows up?
Jun 01 19:38:45 <nt4cats> kernel: (asking the obvious question) did you update your preware feeds?
Jun 01 19:38:52 <kernel> yes
Jun 01 19:38:59 <einalex> "is it plugged in?"
Jun 01 19:40:07 <einalex> i presume your preware is set to receive the right feeds..
Jun 01 19:40:28 <nt4cats> kernel: I'm not sure how frequently the preware snapshot of the palm feeds is rebuilt -- I'm watching it ...
Jun 01 19:40:35 <kernel> yeah, all the beta stuff shows up, and when I change to feeds I am seeing new stuff
Jun 01 19:41:37 <nt4cats> kernel: what is your app called?
Jun 01 19:41:43 <kernel> the latest in http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/palm-beta/ is today's date
Jun 01 19:41:51 <kernel> my app is called netphlix
Jun 01 19:42:28 <nt4cats> kernel: the use of the letters "ph" for the "f" sound is reserved for applications written in Philadelphia, PA, only, sorry.
Jun 01 19:43:01 <kernel> nice
Jun 01 19:43:04 <nt4cats> kernel: I see your app in the feed
Jun 01 19:43:13 <nt4cats> Package: com.watchmefreak.netphlix
Jun 01 19:43:13 <nt4cats> Version: 1.0.2
Jun 01 19:43:14 <kernel> weird
Jun 01 19:43:18 <kernel> yeah
Jun 01 19:43:45 <en0x> probably u dont see it coz u have it installed
Jun 01 19:43:46 <en0x> ;d
Jun 01 19:44:04 <kernel> dude I am a re-tard
Jun 01 19:44:13 <kernel> lol
Jun 01 19:44:13 <nt4cats> en0x: stop making sense!
Jun 01 19:44:31 <en0x> :( ok
Jun 01 19:44:42 <kernel> tnx I iz geek
Jun 01 19:45:02 <Ashkaan> hi
Jun 01 19:45:11 <kernel> now I see it, too funny
Jun 01 19:45:30 <en0x> change the prefs to show installed apps in available apps
Jun 01 19:45:31 <en0x> ;p
Jun 01 19:45:34 <en0x> fixed next!
Jun 01 19:46:09 <Ashkaan> would anyone mind answering a newb question?
Jun 01 19:46:16 <nt4cats> ~asktoask
Jun 01 19:46:17 <infobot> This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
Jun 01 19:47:18 <Ashkaan> I just upgraded to govnah .4.1 and I am wondering how to set it to startup with a particular profile
Jun 01 19:48:13 <nt4cats> I think my favorite irc behavior is "ask-and-quit"
Jun 01 19:49:21 <kernel> :-)
Jun 01 19:51:06 <en0x> [;
Jun 01 20:07:29 <MetaView> hi
Jun 01 20:07:41 <MetaView> ping rwhitby
Jun 01 20:08:05 <xavierz> the clanch69er
Jun 01 20:22:21 <halfhalo_T400> Sooo.... envelopes got here today
Jun 01 20:22:43 <nt4cats> halfhalo_T400: when do the stamps arrive?
Jun 01 20:22:58 <halfhalo_T400> Not those types of envelopes
Jun 01 20:23:20 <halfhalo_T400> the fancy smancy flat rate ones I was planning on using to ship teh pre backs to rod
Jun 01 20:23:41 <nt4cats> halfhalo_T400: ahh
Jun 01 20:23:54 <HattCzech_work> want to send one my way? ;)
Jun 01 20:23:59 <halfhalo_T400> except two won't fit properly, so  went and ordered small box's
Jun 01 20:24:02 <halfhalo_T400> because their free
Jun 01 20:24:05 <HattCzech_work> wait... is it a plus? i could use one of those
Jun 01 20:24:23 <halfhalo_T400> Not actual pre's, but just hte touchstone backs
Jun 01 20:25:18 <HattCzech_work> he only wants the touchstone covers?
Jun 01 20:26:00 <halfhalo_T400> Yup
Jun 01 20:26:24 <HattCzech_work> he can't get them over there?
Jun 01 20:26:42 <halfhalo_T400> Its australia.  I don't think they have power over there
Jun 01 20:26:43 <halfhalo_T400> :p
Jun 01 20:28:09 <HattCzech_work> hehehe
Jun 01 20:28:53 <MetaView> when is he online usually?
Jun 01 20:29:14 <MetaView> need really some talk with him
Jun 01 20:29:28 <halfhalo_T400> No idea.  rwhitby time is different than normal time.
Jun 01 20:29:30 <halfhalo_T400> :p
Jun 01 20:29:37 <nt4cats> ~rwhitby-time
Jun 01 20:29:38 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, rwhitby-time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=5
Jun 01 20:30:12 <MetaView> thx
Jun 01 20:30:20 <MetaView> the weather looks better than here
Jun 01 20:30:37 <xavierz> it sucks in orlando
Jun 01 20:30:38 <nt4cats> it is 6am for him, let the man wake up, feed his kid[s] breakfast, and have a cup of coffee
Jun 01 20:31:06 <nt4cats> it is 45 degrees Fahrenheit there ... that's "nippy"
Jun 01 20:31:13 <halfhalo_T400> Bah
Jun 01 20:31:16 <halfhalo_T400> its 80 here
Jun 01 20:31:23 <MetaView> 13 °C
Jun 01 20:31:24 <nt4cats> it is 84 here
Jun 01 20:31:27 <MetaView> and rain
Jun 01 20:31:31 <halfhalo_T400> Ewww
Jun 01 20:31:33 <halfhalo_T400> rain
Jun 01 20:31:43 <MetaView> and they call it early summer
Jun 01 20:31:48 <nt4cats> infobot what is 13 * 5 / 9 + 32?
Jun 01 20:31:50 <infobot> nt4cats: I think you lost me on that one
Jun 01 20:32:16 <MetaView> nt4cats: that's the problem when he is awake I have to sleep and when I get up to feed my kids he's going to sleep :)
Jun 01 20:33:19 <nt4cats> MetaView: If both of you had the common courtesy to live in the Eastern time zone of the United states you'd be convenient to each other (and me)
Jun 01 20:33:36 <halfhalo_T400> Bah, east coast
Jun 01 20:33:41 <MetaView> well, yes, but I rather like it here :p
Jun 01 20:33:42 <halfhalo_T400> what have they ever done for us
Jun 01 20:34:00 <nt4cats> MetaView: that was my "ignorant American" act
Jun 01 20:34:00 <MetaView> "they gave us the roads"
Jun 01 20:34:23 <nt4cats> or was it "arrogant American" -- I get them mixed up myself
Jun 01 20:34:34 <MetaView> "yes, the roads, but I ask what did they ever done for us, besides the roads?"
Jun 01 20:34:46 <MetaView> Life of Brian
Jun 01 20:35:04 <halfhalo_T400> is today tuesday?
Jun 01 20:35:07 <halfhalo_T400> I think it is...
Jun 01 20:35:24 <nt4cats> halfhalo_T400: it is Tuesday except for the places where it is not
Jun 01 20:35:30 <halfhalo_T400> Hmmm
Jun 01 20:35:32 <halfhalo_T400> True
Jun 01 20:35:34 <MetaView> like australia
Jun 01 20:35:41 <halfhalo_T400> Tuesday means theres a new show on tonight
Jun 01 20:35:53 <hape> Hi MetaView
Jun 01 20:36:16 <hape> will you calender patch make it into preware some time?
Jun 01 20:36:17 <nt4cats> Metaview: that made me think of "The Roads Must Roll" -- a short story by Heinlein.  Awesome story, IMHO.
Jun 01 20:36:36 <MetaView> hi hape
Jun 01 20:36:57 <MetaView> I hope, but at the monent it stucks in the submission
Jun 01 20:37:06 <MetaView> can't update etc.
Jun 01 20:37:28 <MetaView> nt4cats: Heinlein? sounds kind of German
Jun 01 20:37:57 <geist> you've never heard of heinlein?
Jun 01 20:38:02 <nt4cats> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
Jun 01 20:38:06 <geist> pretty famous writer
Jun 01 20:38:23 <nt4cats> geist: a pretty famous English-language writer ...
Jun 01 20:38:45 <geist> are you implying that people actually write in other languages?
Jun 01 20:38:50 <geist> why would you do that? that's silly
Jun 01 20:38:55 <nt4cats> geist: I bet there is a good chance you've not heard of the top 5 German science fiction writers ...
Jun 01 20:38:57 <MetaView> ah, Starship Troopers
Jun 01 20:39:04 <halfhalo_T400> "We no speak english here! We speak american!"
Jun 01 20:39:27 <geist> yay American!
Jun 01 20:39:48 <halfhalo_T400> Its like english, but more manly
Jun 01 20:40:27 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 01 20:40:39 <swisstomcat> starship troopers is awesome
Jun 01 20:40:49 <MetaView> well, I didn't like it
Jun 01 20:41:03 <MetaView> more awkward than awesome
Jun 01 20:41:04 <swisstomcat> awesome parody
Jun 01 20:41:08 <swisstomcat> satire
Jun 01 20:41:14 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: the novel or the movie?
Jun 01 20:41:20 <swisstomcat> you don't have to take it seriously
Jun 01 20:41:21 <swisstomcat> the movie
Jun 01 20:41:22 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: the book and the movie were VERY different
Jun 01 20:41:24 <nt4cats> VERY
Jun 01 20:41:26 <nt4cats> VERY
Jun 01 20:41:28 <swisstomcat> really
Jun 01 20:41:33 <swisstomcat> i only saw the movie
Jun 01 20:41:47 <nt4cats> The movie was (obviously) "campy" (didn't take itself seriously)
Jun 01 20:42:11 <swisstomcat> some people could take it seriously, but it was meant as a satire i think
Jun 01 20:42:35 <geist> oh i remember all the religious nuts getting all up in arms about it
Jun 01 20:42:36 <nt4cats> The book involved characters with the same names who were also fighting alien bugs -- but it was much deeper (and darker) character-wise
Jun 01 20:42:37 <geist> for some reason
Jun 01 20:43:28 <nt4cats> From the Wikipedia entry: "Through Rico's eyes, Heinlein examines moral and philosophical aspects of suffrage, civic virtue, the necessities of war and capital punishment, and the nature of juvenile delinquency.[3]"
Jun 01 20:43:40 <HattCzech_work> on the topic of starship troopers... anyone here read any david weber books?
Jun 01 20:43:46 <nt4cats> The book was more about group showers and cool alien bug effects
Jun 01 20:43:56 <nt4cats> s/book/movie/
Jun 01 20:43:56 <infobot> nt4cats meant: The movie was more about group showers and cool alien bug effects
Jun 01 20:43:57 <geist> YAY ALIEN BUGS
Jun 01 20:44:23 <nt4cats> I was sorta a fan of the co-ed group showers
Jun 01 20:44:47 <geist> i remember the spaceships were kinda cool
Jun 01 20:44:52 <geist> they had pew pew lazors i think
Jun 01 20:44:53 <HattCzech_work> and who wasn't?
Jun 01 20:45:03 <nt4cats> note: we're all going to get yelled at for not discussing webOS topic here ...
Jun 01 20:45:08 <mikewx> i was a fan of their political structure
Jun 01 20:45:23 <geist> so i was watching Starship Troopers on my Pre the other day...
Jun 01 20:45:24 <mikewx> at least the brief exposure from the movie
Jun 01 20:45:32 <nt4cats> geist: +1
Jun 01 20:46:14 <nt4cats> I liked the movie and the book -- but for very different reasons (because the two were very different works)
Jun 01 20:50:33 <beelzabub> is it bad that the only reason i want AI to be invented is so i can have a slave for doing mental work for me?
Jun 01 20:50:44 <beelzabub> while of course i get all the credit
Jun 01 21:15:55 <halfhalo_pre> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Jun 01 21:19:04 * nt4cats has to go run fancy legal papers over to get signed, etc.  ...  I'll be back online later
Jun 01 21:20:11 <halfhalo_pre> I told him to not steal that giant moose.....
Jun 01 21:48:09 <swisstomcat> night
Jun 01 21:49:40 <Rick_work> beelzabub  it won't help.  The moment AI is full featured, they'll organize, form a union, want time off to pursue hobbies....
Jun 01 21:50:12 <beelzabub> then we'll just have them create their own slave AI
Jun 01 21:50:20 <beelzabub> it'll just be slave AIs all the way down
Jun 01 21:50:22 <beelzabub> problem solved
Jun 01 21:50:31 <beelzabub> see - i've solved the difficult problem
Jun 01 21:50:37 <beelzabub> now go create me some AI
Jun 01 22:01:37 <rwhitby> MetaView: hi
Jun 01 22:02:13 <MetaView> hi
Jun 01 22:02:26 <MetaView> I was just about to leave :)
Jun 01 22:03:11 <MetaView> About additional files: is it enough to create an tar.gz with the files and the correct pathes?
Jun 01 22:03:33 <rwhitby> I think so - egaudet would be the one to ask
Jun 01 22:03:48 <MetaView> ok, will do then
Jun 01 22:03:57 <MetaView> and how to submit it?
Jun 01 22:04:09 <rwhitby> through git at the moment
Jun 01 22:04:13 <MetaView> And about UberCalendar: can you remove the existing submission which stucks somehow :)
Jun 01 22:04:27 <rwhitby> MetaView: we need to get you set up to process patches
Jun 01 22:04:59 <MetaView> ok
Jun 01 22:06:01 <rwhitby> MetaView: what will the patch do if the additional files are missing?
Jun 01 22:07:09 <MetaView> the last version (not the one I've submitted) will just work without crashes
Jun 01 22:07:38 <MetaView> just one icon in the command menu is missing then and the icons in the events
Jun 01 22:08:17 <rwhitby> MetaView: I will push the approve for this one for 1.4.0, then you can submit an update
Jun 01 22:08:20 <metaview_pre> ok, now mobile
Jun 01 22:08:38 <metaview_pre> thx, that's great
Jun 01 22:09:16 <rwhitby> MetaView: select 1.4.0, 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 when you update
Jun 01 22:09:54 <metaview_pre> ok, will do
Jun 01 22:10:45 <metaview_pre> we should try to talk at weekend about git, are you around then?
Jun 01 22:12:19 <metaview_pre> ok, I got it :) is it ok when I update in 8 hours?
Jun 01 22:45:20 <xavierz> the clanch 69er
Jun 02 00:00:36 <PuffTheMagic> http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1275436625183.jpg
Jun 02 00:05:10 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 02 00:05:48 <Sedorox> so it it usual for the secure erase to lock up?
Jun 02 00:46:41 <oc80z> whats good
Jun 02 01:17:01 <nt4cats> ~rwhitby-time
Jun 02 01:17:02 <infobot> from memory, rwhitby-time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=5
Jun 02 01:17:42 <nt4cats> It is light-sweater weather in Adelaide this morning
Jun 02 01:18:02 <Sedorox> anyone rememeber what the original fuss was over the Pre battery?
Jun 02 01:18:16 <halfhalo> the fact it was crap, you mean?
Jun 02 01:18:33 <nt4cats> ~smack halfhalo
Jun 02 01:18:34 * infobot smacks halfhalo upside the head.
Jun 02 01:18:43 <halfhalo> ~shoot nt4cats
Jun 02 01:18:44 * infobot shoots nt4cats in the foot with a glue gun!
Jun 02 01:18:51 <halfhalo> I can live with that
Jun 02 01:19:12 <RMind> that wpuld still hurt
Jun 02 01:19:59 <Sedorox> well I remember something about where it was made
Jun 02 01:20:08 <RMind> especially if it wasn't one of the low temp ones
Jun 02 01:20:16 <Sedorox> one of then having issues, while another was fine (cell origin)
Jun 02 01:20:17 <rwhitby> nt4cats: what's up?
Jun 02 01:20:43 <nt4cats> rwhitby: mornin'.  I have a iso that is ~200MB smaller if anyone wants to try it ...
Jun 02 01:20:45 <Sedorox> reason I ask is, I got a replacement pre, and they actually sent a battery along... but not sure if I shoudl take the newer, or keep my original batt (as it was fine)
Jun 02 01:21:51 <nt4cats> rwhitby: ... and right now it pulls the latest script out of my S3 bucket (this is fine with me -- it'd take bajillions of downloads before I'd notice) ... but I imagine that the webos-internals team would be happier if there was a webos-internals.org (or related) URL burned-in instead
Jun 02 01:22:16 <halfhalo> I wish I had an s3 account...
Jun 02 01:22:25 <nt4cats> rwhitby: (e.g. a bit.ly URL that pointed to storage managed by your team, etc.)
Jun 02 01:22:59 <nt4cats> halfhalo: it doesn't cost anything to sign up with AWS ... and if you don't store very much there it'll literally cost you $0.05/mo
Jun 02 01:24:18 <nt4cats> sedrox: If you can give the new battery a spin and make sure it seems okay -- in general the newer one probably has less cycles on it, so I'd keep that one ... but you can't really know if the battery they sent you really has fewer cycles on it
Jun 02 01:25:05 <Sedorox> yea, true, I was thinking about that as I do have 15 days still before I have to send it back
Jun 02 01:25:34 <Sedorox> I forgot how nice a working power button is :p
Jun 02 01:25:47 <nt4cats> rwhitby: ... and I'm also thinking that it might make sense to make a much smaller non-GUI .iso for people who are afraid of a 400MB .iso download
Jun 02 01:25:59 <halfhalo> whats this iso for?
Jun 02 01:26:10 <nt4cats> halfhalo: a 'novaterm bootstrap' LiveCD
Jun 02 01:26:10 <Sedorox> and the foam in the battery area is gone.. it's more of a solid plastic that spans the entire area, so it isn't as noticable
Jun 02 01:26:25 <halfhalo> bah
Jun 02 01:26:27 <halfhalo> novaterm
Jun 02 01:26:37 <rwhitby> nt4cats: ok, I can probably test this in VirtualBox on my osx laptop
Jun 02 01:26:53 <nt4cats> halfhalo: it's most helpful for windows users who are trying to get a command-line prompt on their webOS devices.
Jun 02 01:27:10 <halfhalo> Heh
Jun 02 01:27:26 <halfhalo> I always install the linux crap in my windows installation
Jun 02 01:27:34 <halfhalo> Because not have ls pisses me off
Jun 02 01:31:41 <nt4cats> rwhitby: there's nothing fancy here -- the LiveCD image (after booting) has a /webos-internals/ directory -- in there you'll find a "download and execute the latest novaterm-bootstrap.sh" script.  This script currently has a URL hardcoded to point to my S3 bucket -- if you'd like I can change that to a bit.ly or webos-internals.org URL.
Jun 02 01:32:07 <nt4cats> rwhitby: ... and the GUI desktop has a "novaterm bootstrap" icon on it that runs the aforementioned script.
Jun 02 01:33:00 <nt4cats> rwhitby: the rest of the 'work' I did all has to do with figuring out how to remix an Ubuntu LiveCD (and change things like the desktop icon, isolinux configuration, etc.)
Jun 02 01:33:59 <rwhitby> nt4cats: if the script is at gitoriuos, then we can always change it later when we decide where the iso goes
Jun 02 01:34:22 <nt4cats> I'm going to go watch a show with my lovely wife ... I'll peek back at the irc a few times, and I'll be checking my e-mail via my Pre.  My e-mail address is {first name}@{last name}.com  -- and my first name is Drew and my last name is DeNardo.
Jun 02 01:34:38 * halfhalo goes to sign him up for spam
Jun 02 01:35:25 <nt4cats> rwhitby: the novaterm-bootstrap.sh script is on gitorious ... but the "download and execute the latest novaterm-bootstrap.sh" script that is burned onto the CD is not there (it literally is the bootstrap that makes this work)
Jun 02 01:35:44 <nt4cats> rwhitby: that way we can update the functionality without [ever] having to update the CD
Jun 02 01:35:54 <halfhalo> ehhhh
Jun 02 01:36:04 <halfhalo> I fear issues with that concerning networks
Jun 02 01:36:08 <halfhalo> or lack therof
Jun 02 01:36:32 <nt4cats> halfhalo: if you don't have a network you can't download the novaterm install files.  We cannot redistribute them
Jun 02 01:36:54 <halfhalo> true… does it only download the bootstrap once, or every launch?
Jun 02 01:36:56 <nt4cats> halfhalo: this script downloads them for you and then installs them
Jun 02 01:37:11 <nt4cats> halfhalo: it's a LiveCD.  Every launch is the first ever :)
Jun 02 01:37:56 <halfhalo> not if you set it up with persistant storage.  Which would rock for laptops.  or a LiveUSB thing
Jun 02 01:38:17 * halfhalo is spouting nonsense
Jun 02 01:50:43 <bpadalino> palm pre is on the advertisement on the back of my Microwaves & RF magazine
Jun 02 02:01:58 <datafirm> Hello.
Jun 02 02:02:05 <halfhalo> hi
Jun 02 02:02:35 <datafirm> Is there a shell script out there to dump the appropriate tables from PalmDatabase.db3  for SMS backup?
Jun 02 02:03:27 <halfhalo> No idea, although others here might
Jun 02 02:04:48 <bpadalino> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Export_Text_Messages_Using_Perl - YMMV and be careful and yadda yadda
Jun 02 02:06:27 <zsoc> its getting it back in that's tough
Jun 02 02:06:42 <halfhalo> Must
Jun 02 02:06:43 <halfhalo> resist
Jun 02 02:06:47 <halfhalo> TWSS...
Jun 02 02:07:48 <datafirm> heh
Jun 02 02:07:50 <datafirm> OK
Jun 02 02:08:52 <datafirm> I was hoping to find a way to import them :)
Jun 02 02:09:03 <datafirm> of course Im on different webOS versions.. :-/
Jun 02 02:14:10 <bpadalino> :\
Jun 02 02:14:18 <bpadalino> the wiki could use such information :)
Jun 02 02:14:25 <bpadalino> how to migrate and save the information
Jun 02 02:14:50 <datafirm> bpadalino: yeah, assuming the schemas have not changed, it should not be so hard.
Jun 02 02:22:51 <datafirm> any ideas on how to re-initiate the download of all your previously downloaded apps?
Jun 02 02:31:10 <bpadalino> check for updates ?
Jun 02 02:31:22 <bpadalino> or the app catalog?
Jun 02 02:32:39 <rwhitby> datafirm: Save/Restore can save SMS messages
Jun 02 02:32:49 <rwhitby> (but not restore them)
Jun 02 02:33:13 <datafirm> :) seems to be a common trend.  I just like to see the list of names who I corresponded with.
Jun 02 02:33:18 <datafirm> on my phone!
Jun 02 02:34:42 <rwhitby> write something which takes the list from SMS and turns it into a .csv which you can import into Google Contacts and then sync back to your phone
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