**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 07 02:59:56 2010 Jun 07 03:03:23 oddly enough it seems to have built the ipk fine Jun 07 03:03:52 has anyone ever tried to "tether" using openssh as a proxy? Jun 07 03:17:07 Is there another feed to gain access to UberKernel for other version of webOS? Jun 07 03:31:38 rwhitby: I got an error making preware/build Jun 07 03:32:21 curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Jun 07 03:32:31 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre-emulator/cross/unstable/mjson_1.0-1_i686.ipk Jun 07 03:32:39 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/i686g25/cross/unstable/mjson_1.0-1_i686.ipk Jun 07 03:34:56 mrvc, lemme look @ that... Jun 07 03:35:50 aha...the rotator is sending you to a server that is offline..brb Jun 07 03:40:05 mrvc, ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/mjson_1.0-1_arm.ipk Jun 07 03:40:15 wait..jas Jun 07 03:40:31 wrong one Jun 07 03:44:58 mrvc, it didn't get rsynced to the mirrors...let me push that out. Jun 07 04:09:12 mrvc you still here? Jun 07 04:19:55 im trying to reverse tether from Ubuntu to pixi any help Jun 07 04:20:04 cant seem to get it Jun 07 04:20:34 you want the pixi to tunnel through your laptop ? Jun 07 04:20:55 yes Jun 07 04:21:09 interesting .. i have no idea how to help you .. good luck tho :) Jun 07 04:21:23 thats really an ubuntu question. Jun 07 04:21:42 yea your right Jun 07 04:21:44 thx thoe Jun 07 04:21:55 np Jun 07 04:37:06 mrvc, you get what you needed? Jun 07 05:29:08 ChapStick: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Reverse_Tethering Jun 07 05:29:13 oh, he's gone Jun 07 05:31:48 amazing how many questions can be answered by just searching our wiki wiki :) (of course I actually wrote that one a while back, but still) Jun 07 05:47:45 destinal: yeah it is kinda impressive haha Jun 07 05:49:16 dtzWill: still lots of people seem to ask before looking -- oh well. Jun 07 06:17:02 So what has webos-internals been up to? What was the topic this weekend? Jun 07 06:27:04 ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc fun video, interesting concept Jun 07 06:27:13 bah, http:// clearly Jun 07 06:58:52 Yoppo: you here? Jun 07 07:03:21 Yoppo: Well if you are, I'm about to post in the MS thread Jun 07 08:49:30 morning Jun 07 09:58:11 bbl Jun 07 10:16:10 Jun 07 10:16:28 bah Jun 07 10:16:31 screen broke, yay Jun 07 11:12:03 rehi Jun 07 13:48:29 aloha! is there a way to disable IM sounds an keep sms sound? Jun 07 13:52:06 I don't think so without a patch to it and I don't know of a patch Jun 07 13:53:24 didnt find a patch either Jun 07 14:27:53 hi... i'm trying to use libjpeg that palm link at http://opensource.palm.com/1.4.2/index.html in an PDK app but errors like this are in my way :/ Jun 07 14:27:53 imagefunctions/imagefunctions.c: In function 'void my_dst_mgr_init(jpeg_compress_struct*)': Jun 07 14:27:53 imagefunctions/imagefunctions.c:69: error: invalid conversion from 'void*' to 'my_dst_mgr*' Jun 07 14:27:54 imagefunctions/imagefunctions.c:75: error: invalid conversion from 'void*' to 'JOCTET*' Jun 07 14:28:21 dirs: libjpeg has its own website and docs Jun 07 14:28:26 if uare having issues using it Jun 07 14:28:37 is this lib okay? I don't know what that mean Jun 07 14:28:48 sure the lib is ok Jun 07 14:28:58 PuffTheMagic: ah ok, but palm did have docs on using PDK? Jun 07 14:29:06 doubt it Jun 07 14:29:13 they just provided the lib Jun 07 14:29:18 because the docs for it are opensource Jun 07 14:29:22 its a very common lib Jun 07 14:30:02 http://www.ijg.org/ Jun 07 14:30:04 grab the source Jun 07 14:30:09 the headers and docs should be in there Jun 07 14:35:46 dirs: how is it that you are going from void* to something else Jun 07 14:35:58 err Jun 07 14:36:12 what exactly are you doing thats wnats a void pointer? Jun 07 14:38:49 my virtual keyboard won't download properly... Any tips? Jun 07 14:40:26 sorry, PuffTheMagic i grab the code from http://github.com/magoroku15/upnp-extension/blob/b25bd178d2d64b8ec6ade3ef4a3649c9bda7154a/minidlna/image_utils.c Jun 07 14:40:26 so I think that it are wrong? will try other code to resize the image.. Jun 07 14:50:46 dirs: im not trying to be a dick here, but if you are new to opensource here is a pointer for you Jun 07 14:50:55 just about every opensource lib has an irc channel on freenode or OFTC Jun 07 14:51:12 and in those channels are experts on their lib Jun 07 14:51:25 PuffTheMagic: you are just saying. thanks for the tip Jun 07 14:51:26 dirs: many of us can help with randon C issues Jun 07 14:51:35 and webos specific libs Jun 07 14:51:40 like the plugin and server stuff Jun 07 14:51:49 service stuff Jun 07 14:51:58 but like, i've never used libjpeg my self Jun 07 14:52:03 idk who here has Jun 07 14:52:18 dirs: but i do most of my learning though examples Jun 07 14:52:24 so you will get it sooner or later Jun 07 14:54:41 bbl Jun 07 16:15:30 hi Jun 07 16:55:16 morning Jun 07 16:56:52 morning beelzabub Jun 07 16:58:54 brb **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 07 18:28:14 2010 Jun 07 18:28:26 PalmNewbie -- when the wiki comes back up after the current hardware problem is resolve in a "little bit" would you mind going and DOCUMENTING that for me? Jun 07 18:28:51 idontwank2know: I don't see how these things are mutually exclusive Jun 07 18:29:03 The centro *can* change a setting on the battery which *can* conflict with a pre's usage of it Jun 07 18:31:34 But it's unpossible! Some dude on the internet doesn't believe it, so it won't be true until somebody draws him a diagram and conducts experiments in his presence! Jun 07 18:31:56 Maybe he should read up on the one wire protocol Jun 07 18:45:12 is the feed url down right now? Jun 07 18:45:43 idontwank2know: is this in a forum post somewhere? Jun 07 18:45:50 what? Jun 07 18:46:31 dssdfs32, yes, we are aware of it and are working to fix it. Jun 07 18:56:31 where can I get libdbus-dev? :/ Jun 07 18:57:26 from palm website? Jun 07 18:57:53 Any major distro will have those headers and libs, unless you mean any changes we made. In that case en0x is right Jun 07 18:59:20 is preware.org/feeds down? Jun 07 19:00:00 arrgh...no ML to send this out on...can somebody tweet this for me? Jun 07 19:00:21 tweet what? Jun 07 19:00:31 chrisa: I mean a .ipk Jun 07 19:00:34 zff, yes, we have had a RAID controller failure and I'm working on it...no ETR. Jun 07 19:00:43 Why would you need an ipk? Jun 07 19:00:48 chrisa: to install them Jun 07 19:00:49 Are you compiling on the device? Jun 07 19:00:52 yes Jun 07 19:01:06 unless someone has a Net::DBus perl module ipk Jun 07 19:01:09 oh, best of luck there Jun 07 19:02:14 -.- Jun 07 19:02:23 so WebOS isn't a "major distro"? :p Jun 07 19:02:51 chrisa: Yes. It's all good now. I posted a link to the 1 wire protocol wiki and he shut up. Actually "thanked" the post. After telling me ten minutes earlier that "my claims are BS" Jun 07 19:03:15 Link this post Jun 07 19:03:18 I had wanted to reply Jun 07 19:03:35 are we making fun of people again? Jun 07 19:03:53 because I am SO in Jun 07 19:04:13 lol ;] Jun 07 19:04:36 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/182108-centro-battery-wont-work-pre-4.html Jun 07 19:04:56 allow me to apologize in advance for the circumspect name drop Jun 07 19:05:26 my post is the last one on that page and then the hissy fit starts later Jun 07 19:05:40 is anyone else having trouble with preware.org/feeds? Jun 07 19:06:06 yes, we know its down zff Jun 07 19:06:56 tnx. Thought it was my bad. Jun 07 19:06:59 "I'm curious how the Centro can "program" the battery's internal circuitry. The battery has 3 contact points. +, - and I'm not sure what the 3rd one is for." Jun 07 19:07:08 So he has no idea what the third contact is for but assumes it couldn't be relevant Jun 07 19:07:24 of course not...he has 25 years in electronics! Jun 07 19:07:42 by that logic I have 19 years as a computer programmer Jun 07 19:08:30 lets hear it for 1W Jun 07 19:08:41 "I got my start in the field when I was a wee baby bashing on a computer keyboard" Jun 07 19:08:55 I should have known better than to try to actually offer some useful information in the general Pre forum. Jun 07 19:08:59 oh Jun 07 19:09:07 Preware is making monitor spaz out Jun 07 19:09:29 wait Jun 07 19:09:31 not preware Jun 07 19:09:32 pc Jun 07 19:09:47 I don't get people who take the attitude that anything they don't already know/understand is suspect and BS unless someone can prove it to them. Jun 07 19:09:50 * halfhalo_class is confuzling himself again Jun 07 19:09:51 iphone 4g rulz! Jun 07 19:10:03 idontwank2know: laptop fanboys are worse Jun 07 19:10:03 has anyone offered an ETA when preware may be back upn Jun 07 19:10:10 No eta Jun 07 19:10:20 damn Jun 07 19:10:31 having withdrawls Jun 07 19:10:32 data base server just came back up. Jun 07 19:10:37 webos-internals is now working. Jun 07 19:10:41 [12:00] zff, yes, we have had a RAID controller failure and I'm working on it...no ETR. Jun 07 19:10:42 Preware MIGHT be working. Jun 07 19:11:23 This is what happens when you use raid Jun 07 19:11:26 if preware isn't up, it may be "a bit" till Rod can take the reins. Tom _has to leave_ Jun 07 19:12:13 still doqn. Jun 07 19:12:17 down Jun 07 19:12:23 sigh Jun 07 19:12:28 ok Jun 07 19:12:38 tnx for the info Jun 07 19:12:50 well, we just got the big db server for webos-internals wiki running again. Jun 07 19:12:54 Preware next. Jun 07 19:13:04 you guys have created a monster Jun 07 19:13:12 you have no idea. Jun 07 19:13:16 WITH NO FAILOVERS! Jun 07 19:13:23 people start to tweak out if they can't check the feeds ten times a day Jun 07 19:13:37 the problem is, failovers for the preware server get "tricky" Jun 07 19:13:57 and the webos-internals wiki is totally dynamic so failovers are again, tricky. Jun 07 19:14:48 * halfhalo_class has a load balancing server sitting in front of two webservers/db servers that are mirrors of each other Jun 07 19:15:28 halfhalo_class, send $$$ Jun 07 19:15:32 want an unpaid job as a db admin for webos-internals? Jun 07 19:17:16 what on earth is the point of an N band wifi radio in a phone? what are people doing that they need gigabit wireless? Jun 07 19:17:38 streaming video. Jun 07 19:17:47 Yup Jun 07 19:17:51 I want that screen though Jun 07 19:18:09 websockets demo: http://silentsight.homelinux.org/client.html Jun 07 19:18:34 real time uncompressed video uploads from the camera on your phone to your local server for later editing and redistribution. Jun 07 19:18:48 somebody, QUICK!, test the feeds. Jun 07 19:18:57 before somebody else has a coronary. Jun 07 19:20:05 ka6sox: it no worky Jun 07 19:22:21 grrr Jun 07 19:25:29 test it again please. Jun 07 19:25:41 doitdoitdoit Jun 07 19:26:24 works on my Pixi Jun 07 19:26:41 works on my pre Jun 07 19:26:48 go do your cut over Tom Jun 07 19:26:58 okay I'm OFF. Jun 07 19:26:59 yup, working for me too now Jun 07 19:27:31 hi, got a problem with my pre, it doesn't show me an incoming sms, just a white screen? anyone else allready had the same problem? Jun 07 19:28:02 did you try to restart ur pre? Jun 07 19:28:11 what is this, windows? Jun 07 19:28:16 yes Jun 07 19:28:50 Guest12945 what carrier? Pre or Pixi ? Jun 07 19:29:03 pre Jun 07 19:29:26 running preware? Any patches or themes? Jun 07 19:30:54 yes preware Jun 07 19:31:03 any patches or themes???? Jun 07 19:31:35 i patched messaging (landscape, counter) with webOSQI, i'm removing it now Jun 07 19:31:39 no themes Jun 07 19:32:00 removing the patch is a good place to start. Jun 07 19:32:08 Have you checked for updates recently? Jun 07 19:32:55 hmm, no. yesterday everything worked fine Jun 07 19:33:20 so i restart now, let's hope :D Jun 07 19:33:30 looks like a reset is all you need Jun 07 19:33:56 you mean with webOS Doctor? Jun 07 19:34:25 no, just a restart Jun 07 19:34:32 hold power button Jun 07 19:34:35 ah ok Jun 07 19:34:37 there's something called a partial reset. Jun 07 19:34:51 which doesn't do a complete doctor, it's available from the launcher. Jun 07 19:35:04 but it looks a bit like a memory problem, or? Jun 07 19:35:23 not enough available space to render the content/load the gfx Jun 07 19:35:54 but i can see the sms in the messages list Jun 07 19:36:06 its just white when i want to open it Jun 07 19:36:16 so just restarted Jun 07 19:36:21 still white :( Jun 07 19:37:12 a pity Jun 07 19:38:06 i installed 1.4.1 yesterday, its my first sms since that..hmmm, i need to send me another one to test it Jun 07 19:42:11 same problem with another sms...hmm fuck Jun 07 19:46:53 how can i do a partial reset? whats the launcher? Jun 07 19:47:20 is there any possibilty to read the sms anyway, so that i can run the doctor afterwards? Jun 07 19:48:53 they are in palmdatabase file Jun 07 19:49:20 don't know where it is, have you lokked into Save/Restore app from webosinternals? Jun 07 19:49:39 no Jun 07 19:50:26 install it and it might save the message db Jun 07 19:50:39 at leats to be able to read it on your desktop Jun 07 19:53:04 Ohhhhh Jun 07 19:53:07 two more e3 emails Jun 07 19:53:41 AND the boxes shipped today Jun 07 19:54:12 thank you so much metaview Jun 07 19:54:31 i could read in a html file Jun 07 19:54:33 the sms's don't go away. Jun 07 19:55:37 bring up the DEVICE INFO , tap RESET OPTIONS Jun 07 19:56:40 aww shoot. They did away with the good one. Jun 07 19:56:55 never mind. you don't wanna do that. Jun 07 19:57:14 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Jun 07 19:57:24 hmmm, Jun 07 19:57:31 Moviephone has stopped working when I type in a city in the zip code search box! Jun 07 19:58:09 what a bummer :( Jun 07 19:58:16 anyway, thank you guys, you made me smile ;) Jun 07 19:58:29 sorry for my english Jun 07 20:03:13 Guest12945: do you wanna speak German? Jun 07 20:11:41 hello Jun 07 20:14:55 hey all Jun 07 20:15:39 anyone might help with a compiler problem i'm having? Jun 07 20:16:08 i'd like to use SPriG or SDL_gfx for a project, but I'm having trouble getting either of them built on OSX, let alone for the device Jun 07 20:16:55 isn't SDL_gfx already part of the WiDK? Jun 07 20:17:20 is it? Jun 07 20:19:37 well, AFAIR Jun 07 20:59:51 codeslaw: it's part of the WIDK, and I *think* i was able to run some test programs with it, don't remember for sure. are you having issues using it? Jun 07 21:00:30 dtzWill: i don't have the WIDK installed, just working off the PDK right now and trying to install the libs myself Jun 07 21:02:21 codeslaw: kk. it wasn't hard to stage, i had to give it '--disable-mmx' to configure, which is unexpected, not sure if that helps Jun 07 21:02:55 i'll keep messing around with it, prob will end up installing the widk anyway Jun 07 21:02:59 (but no patches to it, etc) Jun 07 21:03:10 codeslaw: what's the issue you're having? some compile error? Jun 07 21:03:40 well, following the instructions to build that came in the README Jun 07 21:03:48 i get an error when running ./configure Jun 07 21:04:34 oh it should configure, even if misconfigured to use mmx instructions. Jun 07 21:04:58 well the error occured at the script that checks the SDL verion Jun 07 21:04:59 version Jun 07 21:05:17 i have SDL installed, so i commented out that part of the script, and tried to build Jun 07 21:06:01 but then make fails Jun 07 21:06:19 codeslaw: you using sb2 or cross-compiling more traditionally? Jun 07 21:06:38 as of now i'm just trying to compile for OSX Jun 07 21:07:18 ...oh. :( Jun 07 21:07:31 well widk has it all good to go for the pre :D Jun 07 21:07:57 ya, i'll keep messing with it, but likely just grab the widk Jun 07 21:09:07 Oh press email thats for "Immediate Release" Jun 07 21:09:36 Its called... the eagle eye? Jun 07 21:09:43 Who the hell came up with that name? Jun 07 21:09:57 Its a freaking usb hid <-> ps3 controller interface Jun 07 21:10:06 People these days..... Jun 07 21:11:29 halfhalo_class: whats that u talking about? Jun 07 21:11:40 Press email I just got Jun 07 21:13:02 who broke the palm website.... Jun 07 21:18:22 broke palm site? Jun 07 21:18:27 no im really confused Jun 07 21:18:34 the dev site won't lode for me Jun 07 21:18:57 says it will be back in a few hours Jun 07 21:19:01 Did... did I really just type lode instead of load? Jun 07 21:19:05 must be launching something Jun 07 21:19:23 codeslaw: you can use the palm pdk with widk Jun 07 21:21:30 http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/888884039_umVwa-L.jpg Jun 07 21:21:36 >-< Jun 07 21:22:33 hahaha, nice! Jun 07 21:23:23 what could they be launching today? Jun 07 21:23:28 PuffTheMagic: any special sauce i need to add, or just install the WIDK along side it, and link to which libraries i please? Jun 07 21:23:41 basically the latter Jun 07 21:23:56 that might make things very easy Jun 07 21:23:58 the palm sdk will give you a toolchain that will run on the mac Jun 07 21:24:03 then you can use widk Jun 07 21:24:13 to build your staging dir with that toolchain Jun 07 21:24:21 or use the libs palm gives you Jun 07 21:24:22 either way Jun 07 21:24:26 should work fine Jun 07 21:24:35 cool Jun 07 21:28:29 theres a friggen wood pecker or something on the side of my house driving me nuts Jun 07 21:28:31 i cant see it though Jun 07 21:51:58 rwhitby ping? Jun 07 21:52:19 did you break it again..... Jun 07 22:02:40 half_halo I sure hope not! Jun 07 22:03:00 is it broke? Jun 07 22:03:04 no Jun 07 22:03:31 don't scare me like that :P Jun 07 22:04:38 ~seen rwhitby Jun 07 22:04:42 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux, last said: 'XorA: try now please, I gave it a hard kick'. Jun 07 22:05:38 ugh Jun 07 22:05:47 Lol Jun 07 22:06:57 mebbe to you its funny but I was 2hrs late for work because of this little "issue" Jun 07 22:07:33 And who's fault was it to go with raid... I mean it gives you nothing but trouble! Jun 07 22:07:55 unless its raid 0. then its touch and go. but REALLY fast Jun 07 22:08:18 What are you talking about? Jun 07 22:08:39 Ummm.... Applesauce? Jun 07 22:08:55 I guess so! Jun 07 22:09:38 Damn straight Jun 07 22:11:51 hmmm. Should have brought the pixi Jun 07 22:12:03 why? Jun 07 22:12:35 4got there was wifi here Jun 07 22:14:12 Ka6sox-mobile: hi Jun 07 22:16:12 hi. Fun fun 2day Jun 07 22:16:35 u get my email? Jun 07 22:17:19 darned EVDO Jun 07 22:42:48 * geist blehs at jrmuizel Jun 07 22:43:03 * jrmuizel blehs back Jun 07 22:43:11 propa Jun 07 22:43:23 geist: how've you been? Jun 07 22:43:42 busy, as usual Jun 07 22:43:46 but not too bad, all in all Jun 07 22:44:10 good to hear. I can certainly sympathize with busyness. Jun 07 22:52:50 usb hid <-> ps3 controller? i thought ps3 controller /was/ usb hid Jun 07 22:53:24 So did I... but its from a company that has penguin in its name. Jun 07 22:53:26 bbl Jun 08 01:24:59 lulz iphone / android|web-os debate. iphone 0 | webos+sprint 1 Jun 08 01:28:19 ?? Jun 08 02:05:24 bpadalino: this apple guy, some hotshot at the worlds biggest apple store ... Jun 08 02:05:42 what was he saying ? Jun 08 02:06:34 well... Jun 08 02:07:26 It started w/ the 'cant wait blah blah iPhone 4 .. Jun 08 02:08:03 i said oh yeah? No interested. ---- Why , are you one of those Developer guys? (went on an android rant) Jun 08 02:08:34 interesting Jun 08 02:09:03 Yeh Jun 08 02:10:04 Then he allowed me to get a word in.. i said well hey, Sprint, we can download unlimited.. which means if my friend over on that seat there wants to get on the net, i just push a couple buttons and they are all set.. Jun 08 02:11:39 and essentially, if i want to edit any piece of code -- i can, and i wont be voiding any sacrad apple law -- or risk the mistake of bricking the device. Jun 08 02:14:38 did they care ? Jun 08 02:18:37 good question, the argument was more of a manager-type response. Jun 08 02:18:53 well mass market consumer blah blah blah ? Jun 08 02:18:58 how apple got it right. there is only 1 apple phone. Jun 08 02:19:21 whereas google android OS, has multiple devices... different devices... etc..? Jun 08 02:19:42 oc80z: hmm, so there should be only one PC in the world, too. :) Jun 08 02:19:49 (i think i made a remark about the 'eraser-head' mouse) Jun 08 02:20:08 destinal yes, a 1 world order. Jun 08 02:20:38 I strongly considered buying a EVO, but, I'd have to run android.. eww.. Jun 08 02:20:55 where a Generic $1,200 PC (100% equal in specs/ratings) equates to a $7,200 PC Jun 08 02:21:02 sorry, a $7,200 MAC Jun 08 02:21:19 yeah.. i'm all set w/ android. Jun 08 02:21:22 i think it just shows apple has focus Jun 08 02:21:36 i bet you they've prototyped various screen sizes Jun 08 02:21:42 the one Palm guy i spoke with... been with palm for ever. Jun 08 02:21:58 he was very angry/disappointed with the fact there is no 'undo' feature. Jun 08 02:22:05 and how webos will never have it.. Jun 08 02:22:10 undo what? Jun 08 02:22:27 such as, mistakenly deleting/editing a contact. Jun 08 02:22:32 oc80z: the Tmobile G1 (actually Android Dev Phone 1, an unlocked google-sold G1) was my second smartphone. My first smartphone was an iPhone Jun 08 02:22:42 and additionally, too much faith put in 'cloud' address book. Jun 08 02:23:01 does not like the fact he cannot usb-> entire contacts. Jun 08 02:23:28 and this guy has code in years of Treo stuffs. Jun 08 02:24:08 @destinal -- u stickin w/ webos? Jun 08 02:24:51 What is the hype with the C60 phone? Jun 08 02:24:55 oc80z: webos isn't fantastic, but the gesture system is very good. let's just say it's the best smartphone OS I've seen yet but all the layers of abstraction make it really really slow Jun 08 02:25:32 oc80z: I could use android but it feels like a step down in human interface / usability Jun 08 02:26:01 ka6sox: thanks Jun 08 02:26:17 agreed. Jun 08 02:26:23 oc80z: also the other thing that kept me away from buying an EVO is having to root it and having to apparently risk sprint / google "un-rooting" it for me Jun 08 02:26:24 thats pretty much the same thing i said. Jun 08 02:26:36 oc80z: I like to own the device I bought, thanks Jun 08 02:29:07 oc80z: the whole android phone rooting thing reminded me of the apple cat/mouse games and how much I *don't* miss them Jun 08 02:29:43 damn ... HP girl just walked by Jun 08 02:29:49 i wanted to ask her about palm Jun 08 02:29:51 grr Jun 08 02:30:30 Yeah destinal... i saw some nice features with android the other day too.. but, come on. Jun 08 02:30:44 i think shes on the printer division though.. Jun 08 02:30:49 it's ironic that most android devices are way more closed / locked down / harder to modify in practice than webos which has a lot of closed binary proprietary bits Jun 08 02:31:38 what is ironic about it? Jun 08 02:31:41 guess it just goes to show that having the source code is far from everything Jun 08 02:31:47 apps/progress? Jun 08 02:31:54 tivoization it seems Jun 08 02:31:57 oc80z: because android itself is open source Jun 08 02:32:08 bpadalino: exactly the word I was looking for Jun 08 02:32:31 :) Jun 08 02:33:19 so despite how attractive the EVO is, nah, not yet. maybe if I was idle rich and had nothing to do all day but port webos or FSO to it :) Jun 08 02:33:26 destinal: google android is open source. android installed on carrier phones is far from it :) Jun 08 02:33:51 mm Jun 08 02:34:03 and google android is 'not made by google' eh? Jun 08 02:34:14 or is that a whole other topic ;/ Jun 08 02:34:26 whats goog rw, forgot to ask how the hell was jp? Jun 08 02:35:10 oc80z: it is, but the carriers can do whatever they want to it including crypto-locking the bootloader and adding their own UI (like HTC "sense") that is closed source, for instance Jun 08 02:35:39 poooof Jun 08 02:35:40 that's why I thought the idea of the android dev phone 1 and nexus 1 was so cool -- buy an open platform directly from google and just plug your SIM card into it Jun 08 02:35:52 hi everyone. I was wondering if ya know the issue with preware not showing theme screens Jun 08 02:36:30 of course you don't get subsidized. so the palm pre is like the best of both worlds right now Jun 08 02:36:59 @destinal when i heard sidekick2 device was open if u applied/wrote java ... that was the first thing i did and the best phone out there. Jun 08 02:37:31 oc80z: well, I mean open as in you can run whatever operating system you port or write or download that someone else wrote :) Jun 08 02:37:34 then what happenes... microsoft comes in and destroys what is compared to precentra.net , skdr.net Jun 08 02:37:37 ~seen ka6sox Jun 08 02:37:45 sidekick developer resources ... and danger.com/developers Jun 08 02:38:01 seriously.. what IS that phone microsoft put out. Jun 08 02:38:02 ka6sox is currently on #webos-internals (8h 30m 2s) #oe (8h 30m 2s) #nslu2-linux (8h 30m 2s). Has said a total of 48 messages. Is idling for 7h 11m 3s, last said: 'okay I'm OFF.'. Jun 08 02:38:39 rwhitby: what exactly does preware/build do? It has been running for a while. Jun 08 02:39:11 rwhitby: I was assuming it was setting up a build environment Jun 08 02:39:22 rwhitby: but it seems to be doing a lot more than that Jun 08 02:40:04 rwhitby: I'm having an issue wth preware Jun 08 02:40:09 destinal i hope you dont see HP locking the devgears up with Palm, do you? Jun 08 02:40:33 TheSavaLord what are theme screens? screnshots of the theme? Jun 08 02:40:54