**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 08 02:59:56 2010 Jun 08 03:02:44 TheSavaLord: dunno, I personally don't use themes Jun 08 03:03:00 well guys and gals Jun 08 03:03:01 http://i.imgur.com/q79oD.jpg Jun 08 03:03:06 on that note :) Jun 08 03:03:08 * oc80z off! Jun 08 03:07:22 night Jun 08 03:27:50 Soooo…. guess what got here today Jun 08 03:29:05 ? Jun 08 03:29:21 boxes Jun 08 03:29:25 shiny boxs Jun 08 03:29:32 what are in said boxes ? Jun 08 03:29:50 nothing Jun 08 03:30:09 but their flat rat international boxs Jun 08 03:30:46 oh nice Jun 08 03:30:59 Well look who it is Jun 08 03:31:06 heh Jun 08 03:31:28 3rd mountaintop experience today :P Jun 08 03:40:31 time to head to the next happy place... Jun 08 04:11:31 bpadalino: hey -- are you familiar with the build setups? Jun 08 04:11:43 not too intimately, but what's up ? Jun 08 04:12:09 bpadalino: well, they were wanting terminal and termplugin combined Jun 08 04:12:41 bpadalino: and I was trying to make some progress there, but I'm not feeling comfortable with it Jun 08 04:12:59 mrvc: I'm here now Jun 08 04:13:07 rwhitby: hey -- cool Jun 08 04:13:47 mrvc: to start with, just need termplugin to be able to use a CC, INCLUDE, LIBS, etc paths from variables rather than hard coded Jun 08 04:14:36 rwhitby: sorry, I'm feeling dense, but I'm not sure what that means really -- environment variables? Jun 08 04:14:47 yep Jun 08 04:15:30 mrvc: is latest up to date in git? I'll check it out so I can follow along Jun 08 04:16:12 rwhitby: yeah, I don't have any uncommitted changes Jun 08 04:17:01 mrvc: ok, we need to get rid of PRE_CC, etc Jun 08 04:17:04 mrvc, did you get the mjson stuff you needed yesterday? Jun 08 04:17:28 ka6sox: I was able to build toolchain Jun 08 04:17:51 mrvc, okay good Jun 08 04:17:56 mrvc: and forget PRE_OPTIMIZATION for the moment Jun 08 04:18:01 ka6sox: thanks Jun 08 04:18:58 mrvc: did you write the termplugin Makefile originally, or someone else? Jun 08 04:19:27 rwhitby: I did write it originally, but it has been modified a lot by someone else since then Jun 08 04:20:54 rwhitby: none of the stuff with PRE_OUT_DIR or PRE_DEV_PREFIX looks familiar Jun 08 04:21:29 mrvc: ok, let's strip all that out, and just get a native build happening Jun 08 04:24:00 rwhitby: how does that work? how does the build system interact with the Makefile? does it use a special target? Jun 08 04:24:19 mrvc: no, it just sets enviroment variables for CC and calls the same targets Jun 08 04:25:54 mrvc: I had to add include stdio.h to api.c for stderr symbol Jun 08 04:25:55 rwhitby: ok, I guess what I really need to know is how to test it Jun 08 04:26:12 mrvc: may I check in that change and a simplified makefile? Jun 08 04:26:22 rwhitby: sure Jun 08 04:26:34 rwhitby: I'm going to ship the backs out friday Jun 08 04:26:38 the box's came today Jun 08 04:27:56 I just have no time to run to the port office before then. Jun 08 04:28:13 Mostly due to the ateam Jun 08 04:28:50 mrvc: I need to head off - I'll look at this later and check in a makefile that at least compiles for i686 and arm, so that you can then test Jun 08 04:29:15 rwhitby: ok, cool Jun 08 04:29:25 rwhitby: talk to you later Jun 08 04:30:20 mrvc: hang on Jun 08 04:30:40 rwhitby: ok Jun 08 04:30:41 mrvc: just checked something that should work in Jun 08 04:30:43 make CC=/srv/preware/build/toolchain/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/build/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/i686-unknown-linux-gnu-g++ Jun 08 04:31:09 make CC=/srv/preware/build/toolchain/cs07q3armel/build/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ Jun 08 04:31:30 mrvc: pull, then try those two and test on emulator and device Jun 08 04:31:40 rwhitby: ok, cool Jun 08 04:31:51 mrvc: if you tell me they work, then I can do the rest of the merge from there Jun 08 04:31:59 * rwhitby bbl Jun 08 04:48:31 rwhitby: I built the arm version and copied it to the pre and it seems fine Jun 08 04:56:54 anyone really familiar with the messaging app? Jun 08 04:57:15 #webos is your friend :D Jun 08 04:57:36 no its not Jun 08 04:58:13 ka6sox that meant for me? Jun 08 04:58:24 its a palm app? Jun 08 04:59:58 yeah Jun 08 05:00:50 rwhitby: somehow LunaSysMgr crashes in the emulator now Jun 08 05:01:08 i can't send to that channel Jun 08 05:01:21 register your nick Jun 08 05:01:25 rwhitby: ** Message: encountered non-directory item: /var/palm/data/com.palm.appInstallService/installHistory.db Jun 08 05:01:36 rwhitby: (LunaSysMgr:7650): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Error in base.c:567 Jun 08 05:01:47 rwhitby: (LunaSysMgr:7650): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Can't request name com.palm.appinstaller with bus, ret=3 Jun 08 05:01:47 CRITICAL:(void ApplicationInstaller::startService():239) Failed in ApplicationInstaller: Can't request name com.palm.appinstaller with bus, ret=3 Jun 08 05:02:03 rwhitby: Crash handler child got data Jun 08 05:02:13 rwhitby: Handle crash from main thread: 1 Jun 08 05:02:21 rwhitby: PGThreadGlobalContext::instance(): 0x81f9828 Jun 08 05:02:30 mrvc, we now have a wonderful pastebin...webos-internals.pastebin.com Jun 08 05:02:31 rwhitby: Segmentation fault Jun 08 05:02:50 ka6sox: ok -- sorry Jun 08 05:03:05 np...its just easier to read :D Jun 08 05:05:24 rwhitby: http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/9NBvMGqa Jun 08 05:06:34 mrvc: that all looks unrelated to this plugin Jun 08 05:06:59 rwhitby: I also see this: http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/pgE9Kmrv Jun 08 05:07:25 that's all good Jun 08 05:08:19 rwhitby: ok, I'm not sure what is going on then, the emulator was working fine before Jun 08 05:08:51 ok, can you look at the .so files themselves, from now and before and compare them? Jun 08 05:09:28 rwhitby: ok, I did a reset and it is ok now -- strange Jun 08 05:10:25 rwhitby: seems fine Jun 08 05:11:54 mrvc: so it works on emulator and device? Jun 08 05:12:46 rwhitby: yep Jun 08 05:13:52 mrvc: ok, copy that over to the src directory of the terminal git repo, and try using the same type of build makefile as save/restore or govnah Jun 08 05:15:44 rwhitby: ok Jun 08 05:16:35 oyyy :( Jun 08 05:18:48 sk1tt1sh, what are you doing? Jun 08 05:22:06 rwhitby: I don't understand -- the govnah and saverestore src/Makefiles set CC explicitly Jun 08 05:22:35 okay so my carrier uses a proxy and i figured out where that is in messaging... Jun 08 05:22:36 uh Jun 08 05:22:50 MmsTransportImpl.class Jun 08 05:23:25 theres a method "getMmsProxy" and I'm trying to figure out how this stuff works. don't know java really :( Jun 08 05:27:14 sk1tt1sh, okay...dunno anything about that...thats userland. Jun 08 05:28:44 hehe Jun 08 05:29:53 ka6sox do you know java? Jun 08 05:30:20 only the kind I get at Java Joe's Jun 08 05:30:34 bah Jun 08 05:34:12 mrvc: the govnah and saverestore makefiles call the makefile that is loaded in from the src dir Jun 08 05:34:17 mrvc: two levels of makefile Jun 08 05:37:59 bpadalino you still up? Jun 08 05:38:51 rwhitby: should terminal/src/Makefile also be setting CC explicitly? Jun 08 05:45:14 woot! Jun 08 05:45:22 i think i figured it out hahaha Jun 08 05:47:36 mrvc: terminal/src/Makefile can just default to native host gcc, or whatever is easiest for you to use for development. the build.git makefile will override it with the specific i686 and armel toolchains Jun 08 05:48:21 rwhitby: ok Jun 08 05:50:03 rwhitby: so, what is special about the build makefile for saverestore or govnah that I should be trying to copy? Jun 08 05:50:40 rwhitby: oh, sorry you mean build/apps/govnah/Makefile Jun 08 05:54:33 rwhitby: so, I should be modifying the build/* targets to cd to the src dir and make it? Jun 08 06:02:46 rwhitby: going to bed -- we can work on it more later Jun 08 06:06:23 mrvc: yes, that's what I mean Jun 08 06:13:24 where can I find the API for sending/receiving SMS? Jun 08 06:15:05 hey guys idk if it's a bug or known but not documented but the wosqi terminal install causes luna to crash because the terminal service plugin is not downloaded and installed Jun 08 06:15:39 obviously just use wosqi to install preware and download it that way yes....but some users may not think to do it that way Jun 08 06:16:08 ... Jun 08 06:19:33 luke-jr do you mean the .class file? Jun 08 06:22:03 have you looked through /usr/lib/palm/applications/com.palm.messaging Jun 08 06:22:23 sk1tt1sh: I mean the DBus call, but I'm sure source would provide useful advice Jun 08 06:23:28 oh no idea on that... i'm still kinda newish at this Jun 08 06:23:30 there is no /usr/lib/palm on the Pre I'm ssh'd into :/ Jun 08 06:24:03 sorry Jun 08 06:24:06 its usr/palm Jun 08 06:24:55 lol /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging :) Jun 08 06:27:22 :) Jun 08 06:27:32 find what you're looking for? Jun 08 06:27:37 now I think I'm just too tired to dig through code :( Jun 08 06:27:45 maybe in the morning Jun 08 06:27:52 you can also find a lot of information in /usr/lib/luna/java/messaging.jar Jun 08 06:27:56 word Jun 08 06:28:13 i'm just kinda documenting teh steps i need to go through. mondays are a biatch ahaha Jun 08 06:41:07 speedy1, http://pastebin.com/MMCTvjqJ Jun 08 06:43:58 morning Jun 08 06:46:12 morning swisstomcat Jun 08 06:46:48 morning ka6sox Jun 08 06:46:51 i got my replacement pre Jun 08 06:47:30 kewl..is it better than the original one? Jun 08 06:49:52 dang...they sure set asid a LOT of RAM for kernel space in a pixi. Jun 08 06:56:35 it seems solid so far Jun 08 06:56:41 still playing with the pixi? Jun 08 06:56:47 oh yeah... Jun 08 06:57:04 i thought about getting the plus but i was 200 more Jun 08 06:57:09 it Jun 08 06:57:34 64MB set aside for a 2.3MB kernel uImage...probably not buffers...so most likely modem code. Jun 08 06:59:08 swisstomcat, ya, I really like the pixi...enjoying playing with it. Jun 08 06:59:38 poking @ the governors on it...seeing what effect that has on battery life and temps. Jun 08 07:00:12 you don't miss those 80 pixels? Jun 08 07:00:20 i liked the build quality and feel though Jun 08 07:00:22 nope Jun 08 07:00:34 I really like it better in a lot of ways. Jun 08 07:00:42 better keyboard too Jun 08 07:00:57 indeed Jun 08 07:01:14 make the pixi2 pre sized and with it's innards and make the pre2 bigger Jun 08 07:01:49 somebody earlier was blue skying about a 3.6" LCD :P Jun 08 07:02:14 the pre might already be that. Jun 08 07:04:33 I wonder how much space is actually left over when the secret sauce and the kernel are stuffed in that partition. Jun 08 07:10:25 swisstomcat, I like the size of the pixi...and I'd like to see more RAM but with that little amount of board space another RAM chip might not fit. Jun 08 07:10:44 how much does it have? Jun 08 07:11:05 256MB Jun 08 07:11:13 40MB or so is dedicated to the modem Jun 08 07:11:13 total used free shared buffers cached Jun 08 07:11:13 Mem: 200820 191420 9400 0 14940 59024 Jun 08 07:11:19 like the original pre? Jun 08 07:11:28 that was my guess too...so not too far off. Jun 08 07:11:30 it's a seperate core, but it lives on the same dram chip Jun 08 07:11:47 a stacked module too on top of the proc? Jun 08 07:11:57 well, what i mean is it uses the same dram Jun 08 07:12:05 no. it's part of the 7227 Jun 08 07:12:07 or is that only on the omap? Jun 08 07:12:15 it's a multicore chip, the dram is stacked on top Jun 08 07:12:24 the modem is an arm9 Jun 08 07:12:46 ah, I was wondering if it was ARM or DSP. Jun 08 07:12:53 well, there's a DSP too Jun 08 07:12:59 2 of 'em Jun 08 07:13:12 right Jun 08 07:13:18 one for video and one for audio? Jun 08 07:13:27 one for the 'modem' and one for the 'apps processor' Jun 08 07:13:28 one for modem one for media Jun 08 07:13:32 the apps DSP does video+audio Jun 08 07:13:39 codecs Jun 08 07:13:46 the modem DSP does all the mixing and phone call stuff Jun 08 07:14:11 chatty night Jun 08 07:14:20 morning :) Jun 08 07:14:22 amazing how many cores you can stuff in one ASIC. Jun 08 07:14:46 yep Jun 08 07:14:49 geist=palm ghost? :) Jun 08 07:15:01 I'm sure that JTAG would see quite a few things. Jun 08 07:15:17 were you at the dev days? Jun 08 07:15:17 He changed buildings, so that's some kind of ghost Jun 08 07:15:39 ka6sox: there are two ports, so it would depend which one you plug into. Jun 08 07:15:46 I had to bail on dev days, 6pm in sf when you work in south bay is a bit hard on a monday =/ Jun 08 07:16:18 cdm ah, a lot of my projects have 2 to 3 chains. Jun 08 07:16:39 they keep the modem and the apps separate. Jun 08 07:16:43 otherwise you spend too much time collapsing. Jun 08 07:16:46 so you don't have to mess with one to get to the other. Jun 08 07:17:23 ya, I usually have one for Glue and another for Procs + another maybe for DSP stuff. Jun 08 07:18:37 I heard a rumor that there was a serial port somewhere in a pixi. Jun 08 07:18:41 (on pads) Jun 08 07:18:51 yeah, not as cool as the serial port on the pre. Jun 08 07:19:12 Less cool to work with too Jun 08 07:19:33 I mean the serial, I enjoyed working on pixi Jun 08 07:19:54 chrisa, I'm having more fun with the pixi than the pre. Jun 08 07:20:07 As a user, or general hackery? Jun 08 07:20:14 both Jun 08 07:20:17 Not much work has been done on pixi outside of us it seems like Jun 08 07:20:45 well...I'm playing with it now...looking @ what I can make it do. Jun 08 07:21:38 I think that the /sys/platform/tmp105/celsius is the core temp. Jun 08 07:22:00 That's the thermistor driver, so that would be a good guess Jun 08 07:22:15 can the pixi be overlocked too? i assume no Jun 08 07:22:19 and the same 1w driver. Jun 08 07:22:33 swiss...I'm reluctant...not much thermal mass. Jun 08 07:22:40 The 1w implementations are quite a bit different between the devices if I recall Jun 08 07:22:45 But cdm/geist would know for sure Jun 08 07:23:13 As for overclocking, the 7x27 doesn't really leave room for that compared to the omap used in pre Jun 08 07:24:27 I briefly looked at the pll stuff but didn't go far with it. Jun 08 07:24:38 it's all owned by the modem Jun 08 07:24:47 so even if you try to set or ask it to be set, it won't go anywhere. Jun 08 07:25:01 "mother may I have a clock" Jun 08 07:25:02 so the governor settings don't matter? Jun 08 07:25:25 have you guys played with webos on other phones than the pre/pixi? Jun 08 07:25:35 swisstomcat: like what? Jun 08 07:25:45 Is that a trick to try to get us to say if we have other products? Jun 08 07:25:45 ka6sox: at least, that's my understanding. Jun 08 07:25:50 any other arm-based phone Jun 08 07:26:06 ka6sox: most of the clock control turns into proc-comm calls to the modem to do the work. Jun 08 07:26:08 I haven't actually. I've used an iphone for maybe 30 seconds total Jun 08 07:26:14 ka6sox: and it has limits and tables of it's own Jun 08 07:26:29 swisstomcat: odd question Jun 08 07:26:59 cdm: the board stuff is in the code release, right? Jun 08 07:27:15 cdm, I"d heard something like that. Jun 08 07:27:16 the hardware is more or less the same on other phones (omap) Jun 08 07:27:30 so in theory you could put webos on other phones that have the same hardware Jun 08 07:28:01 htc hero/iphone 3g/... Jun 08 07:28:12 boy, after hearing about the Dragon's Dens I'd rather not try :D Jun 08 07:28:27 hmm? Jun 08 07:28:29 I'd try if you could convince cdm to pay me to do it Jun 08 07:29:24 how much do you need? :) Jun 08 07:29:34 swisstomcat: we know that an early version of webOS (or perhaps just the kernel) ran on a Treo 800 Jun 08 07:29:53 but that was before nova? Jun 08 07:29:57 swisstomcat: It's possible to go one further. What is webOS? Really, it's the UI. Lots of people have gotten the UI to run on other devices besides ours. Jun 08 07:29:59 and hello rwhitby btw Jun 08 07:30:13 swisstomcat: No, but before Luna. Jun 08 07:30:22 sorry, that's what i meant Jun 08 07:30:25 heh, I run webOS on my Mac laptop, via the emulator and virtualbox :) Jun 08 07:30:29 hehe Jun 08 07:30:42 cdm: run lunasysmgr on other devices? Jun 08 07:31:00 i think cdm means the webapps Jun 08 07:31:09 I reckon I could probably run webOS on my Synology DS1010+ NAS box ... Jun 08 07:31:10 i see Jun 08 07:31:22 (at least the emulator build ...) Jun 08 07:31:23 without a gui Jun 08 07:31:31 swisstomcat: maybe. It's not hard to break down what an existing running Linux device needs to make SYsMgr run. Jun 08 07:31:32 swisstomcat: no, the 1010+ has a VGA port Jun 08 07:31:42 oh really Jun 08 07:31:52 interesting experiment Jun 08 07:32:15 It's fairly trivial to take a look at the filesystem, cut out the general linux components and then extract the services that matter and their dependencies Jun 08 07:32:26 Especially since you have the init scripts Jun 08 07:32:28 actually, it might be really cool if you there was an OSS lunasysmgr :) Jun 08 07:32:33 chrisa: or go further and chroot into an existing filesystem. Jun 08 07:32:46 no one has attempted it yet tho? Jun 08 07:32:54 swisstomcat: Didn't say that. Jun 08 07:32:58 e.g on a beagle board? Jun 08 07:33:21 chrisa: you wouldn't even have to cut-it-down Jun 08 07:33:21 bugger, I need to renew gold to use netflix again Jun 08 07:33:34 yeah, I'm surprised no-one has put webOS on a beagle board yet Jun 08 07:33:36 cdm: I meant just for the case of getting a bare minimum set of binaries to throw Luna on any arm system Jun 08 07:33:46 But yes, you could just chroot into a filesystem too Jun 08 07:33:54 put it on an SD card and have at it Jun 08 07:34:07 I feel a bit dirty when the answer is "chroot then do ____" for some reason Jun 08 07:34:22 Even though that's how I used to use all my mips stuff Jun 08 07:34:22 * ka6sox fires up the beagle board :D Jun 08 07:35:12 now we're talking :) Jun 08 07:35:15 i think it'll be an interesting world for android if ubuntu finishes it's android compatibility layer Jun 08 07:35:22 since all that android code is just java Jun 08 07:35:30 yeah Jun 08 07:35:51 how is their license of having dalvik on other platforms? Jun 08 07:36:14 it's all BSD afaik Jun 08 07:36:23 it's all on some git server Jun 08 07:37:12 hey cdm - i got a cool demo for you tomorrow :). i made my component faster Jun 08 07:37:13 google should go ahead and focus more on chrome on android and chrome web store on mobile Jun 08 07:38:03 and i know how to make it faster yet Jun 08 07:38:03 so if i get a second-hand htc hero .. who will help getting it to run webos? Jun 08 07:38:38 What chipset did the hero use? I just know it was before the android devices began pumping out 7x27 stuff Jun 08 07:39:28 i thought it was the omap but i have to check Jun 08 07:39:57 another device to try would be the N900 Jun 08 07:39:59 nokia Jun 08 07:40:10 replace meego? Jun 08 07:40:23 works for me. Jun 08 07:40:26 yeah Jun 08 07:40:39 sorry, hero is qualcom Jun 08 07:40:57 I tried MeeGo the other day on an eeePC Jun 08 07:41:05 MSM7200A Jun 08 07:41:16 I'm waiting to be able to put it on my N800 (which is currently sitting idle) Jun 08 07:42:16 n900: 3430 CPU Clock Rate 600 MHz Graphics Processor PowerVR SGX with OpenGL ES 2.0 support Jun 08 07:42:30 ti omap 3430 that is Jun 08 07:43:18 thats a separate proc though...not part of the 3430? ie NOT the DSP chip inside the 3430? Jun 08 07:45:59 an n900 would be easy hackable i think Jun 08 07:46:05 people have it overclocked to 800mhz too, just like the pre Jun 08 07:46:49 well..at least I've not seen anything over 60 on my pre...even after playing quake for 30 minutes Jun 08 07:47:36 I have a logger that monitors it while I'm testing. Jun 08 07:48:10 wheras the pre idles @ 21-25 the pixi idles @ 30 Jun 08 07:49:07 space constraints Jun 08 07:49:17 its all the 37 procs in the ASIC. Jun 08 07:49:50 hmm, this replacement pre seems different .. the little thingie over the front speaker is plastic Jun 08 07:50:14 the center button seems different too, different shade of silver or something Jun 08 07:50:31 the pixi plus looks like it has a TS back...I should try it on TS. Jun 08 07:51:09 hmm, webos on the n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44150&page=3 Jun 08 07:52:05 yeah, the pixi plus should have a ts back like the pre plus Jun 08 07:53:16 nope..no TS Jun 08 07:53:28 i thought they all had ts backs? Jun 08 07:53:58 well..its not working OR the phone is charged Jun 08 07:54:04 n900 has 800x480 screen resolution .. and is landscape oriented by default Jun 08 07:54:14 how does lunasysmgr handle different screen resolutions? Jun 08 07:54:18 thats probably controlled by the dragons in the modem :D Jun 08 07:55:33 were have all the palm experts disappeared to? Jun 08 07:56:11 where Jun 08 07:56:56 sleep Jun 08 07:57:00 although i'm still at work :( Jun 08 07:57:16 beelzabub, got cot? Jun 08 07:57:21 cot? Jun 08 07:57:23 any takers on webos->n900? Jun 08 07:57:57 don't engineers sleep under their desk? Jun 08 07:58:21 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Trail-Camp-Cot/10986129?sourceid=1500000000000003260410&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=10986129 Jun 08 07:58:23 no, we can afford beds Jun 08 08:17:38 pixi @ 62C after making it work hard. Jun 08 08:18:37 so I was just watching lemketron's developer day video about debugging, and I'm trying to get TCP/IP port-forwarding over novacom over usb to the device working, but am not having any luck. Jun 08 08:18:47 anyone know how that is supposed to work? Jun 08 08:19:07 too bad i missed that day :( Jun 08 08:19:30 is he talking about the ares debugger? Jun 08 08:19:59 it's related, but this is so you can port-forward to a gdb running on the device to debug native PDK stuff Jun 08 08:21:04 I get "error attempting to tunnel socket: got response socket open failed" Jun 08 08:21:40 does it depend on usbnet being enabled? Jun 08 08:22:01 I don't believe it does - the video leads me to believe it is tunneled over pure novacom Jun 08 08:22:21 so more like a SLIP connection via novacom. Jun 08 08:22:54 maybe it's related to the emulator hostmode where you have to keep a connection open Jun 08 08:22:56 oh, I just got it to work :) Jun 08 08:23:13 root@palm-webos-device:/# tcpsvd 0 5000 cat Jun 08 08:23:21 bash-3.2$ novacom -P -f 5000:5000 Jun 08 08:23:29 oils:~ rwhitby$ telnet localhost 5000 Jun 08 10:44:36 rehi Jun 08 12:02:20 mrvc, destinal: Terminal 0.3.0 (combined package) pushed to git. Jun 08 12:11:50 very interesting overnight conversation Jun 08 12:12:00 shame i missed it Jun 08 12:15:50 yeah, interesting .. too bad i scared them away :) Jun 08 12:15:59 mornin! Jun 08 12:16:00 heh Jun 08 12:16:09 i don't think you scared them away :) Jun 08 12:16:12 * nt4cats is terrified of swisstomcat Jun 08 12:16:48 * swisstomcat is a dangerous cat Jun 08 12:16:55 harharhar Jun 08 12:19:24 question now: get a beagleboard or a N900 and start experimenting Jun 08 12:19:42 beagleboard is cheaper by a good amount, isn't it ? Jun 08 12:21:02 yeah Jun 08 12:21:09 beagleboard is like $149 Jun 08 12:21:21 but hard to make phonecalls with it :) Jun 08 12:21:28 true Jun 08 12:21:34 touch controls may be a little difficult too Jun 08 12:21:48 unless you add a touchscreen Jun 08 12:22:04 then you'd need drivers Jun 08 12:22:12 but you could add a bigger screen Jun 08 12:22:51 usb touchscreens from their main page.. http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/mkt/beagleboard.html Jun 08 12:22:59 $90 for a pretty big one Jun 08 12:24:01 never heard of an infrared touch screen, tho .. Jun 08 12:24:08 sounds ... strange? Jun 08 12:24:10 hmm, tasty Jun 08 12:25:02 touch detection is via infrared? Jun 08 12:26:09 yeah, apparently they use beams going across the screen and detectors to check for interference .. Jun 08 12:26:37 never heard of those style before, but they seem to be popular with POS systems Jun 08 12:26:46 we could make our own frankenstein-tablet with it Jun 08 12:27:08 indeed Jun 08 12:27:19 ifyou could tell luna to up the screen image size Jun 08 12:28:18 something to ask the experts next time they're here Jun 08 12:28:45 time for me to shower and then get to work.. bbl Jun 08 12:30:15 So I'm doing a feed rebuild from scratch, to make sure there is no corruption from the RAID controller card failure yesterday. Jun 08 12:30:49 This means that all patches will have their dates reset to today, and it's possible that there might be some packages missing from the feeds if they failed to build. Jun 08 12:31:02 so if that happens, you guys will know why :) Jun 08 12:31:03 raid controller failure .. uhoh Jun 08 12:31:15 * nt4cats wishes that hardware was as reliable as software .... Jun 08 12:31:23 hehe Jun 08 12:31:30 redundant raid-controllers? Jun 08 12:31:40 raid-0 raid-controller Jun 08 12:31:43 well, the card went offline. it came back online again after a reboot, but I will rebuild the packages from source anyway, just in case. Jun 08 12:32:45 (and it's an opportunity to move the autobuild to the new instance that can do cross-compile sb2 stuff successfully, paving the way for a future build.git and cross-compile.git merge) Jun 08 13:20:10 @webosinternals if i want to hack touchstone behavior, where should i start? Jun 08 13:23:09 is the touchstone detection coming along? Jun 08 13:27:59 omg Jun 08 13:28:07 swisstomcat: seriously? Jun 08 13:28:16 or is this a joke Jun 08 13:28:30 the question? Jun 08 13:28:53 there is no talking to the TC while the phone is "operational" Jun 08 13:28:54 the question is from a tweet to @webosinternals Jun 08 13:29:02 oh Jun 08 13:29:04 i dont tweet Jun 08 13:29:16 i'm sure they're not talking Jun 08 13:29:28 talking? Jun 08 13:29:36 but can the phone detect that it's being charged by a touchstone Jun 08 13:29:46 versus being charged by the usb-connector Jun 08 13:29:54 "can the phone detect" Jun 08 13:29:58