**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 10 02:59:57 2010
Jun 10 03:24:38 <torchie-pre> pre's youtube app is kinda basic
Jun 10 03:26:03 <torchie-pre> hmm then again the mobile site's good
Jun 10 03:26:46 <rwhitby> torchie-pre: to expand codecs, you talk to zsoc
Jun 10 03:27:12 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 10 03:41:44 <sk1tt1sh> how come my ipk's are different than any other ones?
Jun 10 03:42:00 <zsoc> yours are special
Jun 10 03:42:04 <sk1tt1sh> why tho
Jun 10 03:42:09 <sk1tt1sh> i want them to be the same
Jun 10 03:42:37 <sk1tt1sh> mine if you open with 7zip there is another file to open then you get to data.tar and control.tar
Jun 10 03:43:49 <torchie-pre> huh just did the research
Jun 10 03:44:21 <zsoc> torchie-pre: find out anything interesting?
Jun 10 03:44:50 <torchie-pre> nah couldn't find anything about a "zsoc" or a codec expansion
Jun 10 03:44:55 <sk1tt1sh> fricken keyboard
Jun 10 03:45:02 <sk1tt1sh> anyways
Jun 10 03:45:08 <zsoc> i never met the guy personally
Jun 10 03:45:17 <dtzWill> lol
Jun 10 03:45:20 <torchie-pre> must be elusive
Jun 10 03:46:29 <torchie-pre> so is this bad boy still in dev available on preware? I'm still trying to do proper searches for things
Jun 10 03:46:40 <sk1tt1sh> how do you guys make ipks
Jun 10 03:46:46 <torchie-pre> still in dev or available on preware*
Jun 10 03:46:54 <zsoc> torchie-pre: i honestly am not sure exactly what you're referring to
Jun 10 03:47:02 <halfhalo> zsoc
Jun 10 03:47:03 <zsoc> the gsm decoder should be available through preware
Jun 10 03:47:13 <halfhalo> find me funny pictures to put in the box
Jun 10 03:47:16 <zsoc> ogg and flac turned out to be a mess, they work but i never packaged them
Jun 10 03:47:28 <torchie-pre> ah I see
Jun 10 03:48:34 <zsoc> halfhalo: http://files.sharenator.com/bus_Cyanide_and_Happiness-s425x308-33467-580.png <-- just write in who is who with names and arrows
Jun 10 03:48:40 <zsoc> torchie-pre: are you looking for support for a specific format?
Jun 10 03:48:45 <sk1tt1sh> $10 for the person that helps me make a good ipk
Jun 10 03:49:00 <halfhalo> ahahahahaha
Jun 10 03:49:36 <halfhalo> need moar.  My plan is to use funny pictures as filled so the backs don't move around
Jun 10 03:49:40 <torchie-pre> not really specific
Jun 10 03:49:41 <halfhalo> better than using newspapers
Jun 10 03:50:18 <zsoc> halfhalo: just print every cyanide and happiness comic
Jun 10 03:50:41 <halfhalo> Hmmmm
Jun 10 03:50:51 <halfhalo> But what about the google maps mexico one?
Jun 10 03:50:57 <halfhalo> Thats always needed
Jun 10 03:51:27 <halfhalo> WAIT
Jun 10 03:51:28 <halfhalo> I lied
Jun 10 03:51:35 <halfhalo> thinking of the penny arcade one
Jun 10 03:51:57 <sk1tt1sh> :(
Jun 10 03:52:06 <halfhalo> http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/894614536_nnBGS-L.jpg
Jun 10 03:52:37 <zsoc> heh
Jun 10 03:53:45 <halfhalo> Personal favorite: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/8/19/
Jun 10 03:54:31 <zsoc> ha
Jun 10 03:55:43 <halfhalo> http://xkcd.com/111/
Jun 10 03:56:17 <zsoc> nice
Jun 10 03:56:26 <zsoc> unsigned: are you a long int?
Jun 10 03:56:56 <unsigned> I maybe ;) ask me my bits
Jun 10 03:56:59 <unsigned> -_-
Jun 10 03:57:14 <unsigned> anyone have a link handy for 1.3.5.1?
Jun 10 03:57:30 <unsigned> ive managed to semi-brick the radio
Jun 10 03:57:31 <unsigned> gah
Jun 10 03:57:43 <bpadalino> not distributed by palm anymore i am pretty sure
Jun 10 03:57:55 <unsigned> yeah, link from palm is dead
Jun 10 03:58:18 <bpadalino> sorry
Jun 10 03:58:31 <bpadalino> you could try chuq to see if he's willing to give it out
Jun 10 03:58:37 <unsigned> i'll go search the irc logs, maybe someone mentioned it.. [:-{#}
Jun 10 03:59:58 <unsigned> there are some custom roms from treo8, but i don't trust them
Jun 10 04:00:03 <unsigned> Q_Q
Jun 10 04:00:22 <zsoc> morphis probably knows
Jun 10 04:00:43 * zsoc never knows, but normally knows who knows
Jun 10 04:00:58 <bpadalino> cause if you don't know, now you know .. you know?
Jun 10 04:01:03 <unsigned> google knows all [=_=]
Jun 10 04:01:16 <projectAlarum> I actually have been saving the webos drs I could send ya a copy if I happen to have that version
Jun 10 04:01:45 <unsigned> sweet
Jun 10 04:04:41 <sk1tt1sh> my vm is dead.
Jun 10 04:05:09 <sk1tt1sh> a ridiculous amount of work. bye bye
Jun 10 04:05:15 * sk1tt1sh cuts his wrist
Jun 10 04:06:01 <projectAlarum> You happen to remember when approximately that version was released?
Jun 10 04:06:18 <unsigned> according to the meta doctor site 3jan2010
Jun 10 04:06:34 <unsigned> (sprint)
Jun 10 04:07:43 <projectAlarum> Hmmm I have three different versions, all prior to 1.4 but not sure which is which... How about the build #
Jun 10 04:08:05 <unsigned> notsure, heres the md5 14e3c4168030498b42370115b33ee278
Jun 10 04:10:19 * bpadalino sighs
Jun 10 04:11:30 <zsoc> doesn't mojo mean mold or rust in spanish?
Jun 10 04:12:27 <ka6sox> Oh no baby, it's not like the "mojo" Austin Powers has! Mojo is a Spanish word pronounced "mo - ho" and it is a kind of sauce used to accompany potatoes, fish or meat.
Jun 10 04:12:46 <zsoc> ka6sox: thank you
Jun 10 04:12:53 <ka6sox> zsoc, yw
Jun 10 04:13:02 <halfhalo> wakkwakkwakakka
Jun 10 04:13:11 <sk1tt1sh> wtb ipkg-build readme
Jun 10 04:13:15 <projectAlarum> Sorry for the delay, checking md5 now
Jun 10 04:14:39 <zsoc> sk1tt1sh: man ?
Jun 10 04:14:44 <sk1tt1sh> no
Jun 10 04:14:50 <sk1tt1sh> none exists
Jun 10 04:15:00 <sk1tt1sh> it's such a simple issue i'm having i'd be willing to bet
Jun 10 04:15:23 <sk1tt1sh> all it is is my ipkg is layerd whereas a normal one if you open with 7zip it shows data and control right there
Jun 10 04:15:31 <zsoc> did you try poking around the dpkg-build man pages? assuming it's.. similar
Jun 10 04:15:42 <zsoc> you probably need to somehow set the root dir
Jun 10 04:16:02 <sk1tt1sh> hrm
Jun 10 04:16:45 <unsigned> brb time to heat some food \^_^/
Jun 10 04:17:11 <projectAlarum> Nope I apparently have 1.1 1.2 & I think 1.3 lemme check my laptop
Jun 10 04:18:18 <zsoc> sk1tt1sh: what command are you using to make the package?
Jun 10 04:19:47 <atlanta> hey everyone
Jun 10 04:19:51 <atlanta> quick question
Jun 10 04:20:04 <projectAlarum> Yup I'm pretty sure I have it, lemme move it over to my desktop and pull up the checksum
Jun 10 04:20:11 <atlanta> i used preware to install openssh and it said it was generating the keys where does it store them
Jun 10 04:20:11 <atlanta> ?
Jun 10 04:20:14 <atlanta>  on the device
Jun 10 04:20:15 <atlanta> ?
Jun 10 04:22:03 <atlanta> never mind
Jun 10 04:33:46 <projectAlarum> Lol my hashing app just crapped out on me...
Jun 10 04:33:56 <projectAlarum> Have you tried this url?
Jun 10 04:33:59 <projectAlarum> http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar
Jun 10 04:34:08 <unsigned> yeah,
Jun 10 04:34:09 <unsigned> 404
Jun 10 04:34:32 <rwhitby> projectAlarum: all URLS < 1.4.x are 404
Jun 10 04:34:47 <projectAlarum> That's what I thought
Jun 10 04:37:39 <projectAlarum> Hmmm well I have a dr from feb but not sure if the date is correct and i 've got a few others... Any suggestions for a hash checker? Mine apparently doesn't like to work right now...
Jun 10 04:37:55 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: ipkg-build is a script, just read it for documentation
Jun 10 04:38:12 <rwhitby> projectAlarum: I can confirm a hash for just about any doctor
Jun 10 04:38:20 <unsigned> i use cygwin
Jun 10 04:38:36 <unsigned> dont have a handy alternative atm
Jun 10 04:38:55 <unsigned> unless you want one of my pet projects
Jun 10 04:38:59 <unsigned> not sure how reliable it is
Jun 10 04:39:22 <projectAlarum> rwhitbv: do you know the build #?
Jun 10 04:41:05 <projectAlarum> Lmao I should organize my backups better
Jun 10 04:41:46 <unsigned> http://rapidshare.com/files/397310929/md5.zip.html
Jun 10 04:41:49 <unsigned> try it with this..
Jun 10 04:41:58 <unsigned> i wrote this a while back, never really tested it much
Jun 10 04:42:00 <unsigned> :>
Jun 10 04:43:58 <rwhitby> projectAlarum: build number for which carrier and version?
Jun 10 04:44:04 <unsigned> sprint
Jun 10 04:44:05 <unsigned> 1.3.5.1
Jun 10 04:44:52 <projectAlarum> rwhitbv: sprint 1.3.5.1
Jun 10 04:44:58 <projectAlarum> Damn comcast...
Jun 10 04:45:02 <rwhitby> one sec
Jun 10 04:45:44 <rwhitby> 220
Jun 10 04:46:18 <rwhitby> md5sum is 14e3c4168030498b42370115b33ee278
Jun 10 04:46:41 <rwhitby> BUILDMARK=241262 (that's the unique number in /etc/palm-build-info)
Jun 10 04:46:58 <unsigned> thats what shows up in the titlebar afaik
Jun 10 04:47:55 <rwhitby> hmm - dunno which number that is
Jun 10 04:49:43 <rwhitby> super("Palm(R) webOS(tm) Doctor (Build " + ConfigFileMgr.getInstance().getPhoenixBuildVersion() + ")");
Jun 10 04:50:14 <projectAlarum> Nope I don't have it, I think I have 1.3.5 though...
Jun 10 04:50:54 <unsigned> np, thanks for looking
Jun 10 04:51:18 <projectAlarum> Yeah, sorry :(
Jun 10 04:57:52 <rwhitby> RecoveryToolBuildNumber=231 RomBuildNumber=278
Jun 10 04:58:08 <rwhitby> getPhoenixBuildVersion() is those two numbers
Jun 10 04:58:46 <unsigned> ah.. interesting.
Jun 10 04:59:31 <rwhitby> and 278 matches the BUILDNUMBER in /etc/palm-build-info
Jun 10 05:00:12 <rwhitby> so we should put the build numbers on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions for ease of reference
Jun 10 05:00:28 * rwhitby does a script for that ...
Jun 10 05:05:22 <projectAlarum> Holy cow I do have it!!!
Jun 10 05:05:31 <projectAlarum> How can I get this to ya
Jun 10 05:16:51 <projectAlarum> I found it on my mini so I can get this to ya somehow, my internet is running terribly right now so it might take a bit...
Jun 10 05:57:11 <sk1tt1sh> OMG! I think I got it! ahhh! cross your fingers peoples
Jun 10 06:01:28 * sk1tt1sh needs a terminal ipk that installs the damn termplugin.so correctly cuz currently the downloadable one from wosqi doesn't work.
Jun 10 06:07:10 * sk1tt1sh passes some mountain dews out to the codemonkies
Jun 10 06:08:23 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: wosqi doesn't follow dependencies properly.  Use Preware to install packages.
Jun 10 06:09:52 <sk1tt1sh> i want to put terminal in as a base install. Whats the current version that you merged termplugin.so into?
Jun 10 06:10:01 <sk1tt1sh> wosqi just downloaded 0.3.0
Jun 10 06:11:18 <sk1tt1sh> nvm
Jun 10 06:11:28 <sk1tt1sh> it's right so wosqi grabbed the right ipk
Jun 10 06:11:52 <sk1tt1sh> there may be an issue with installing it during recovery install?
Jun 10 06:12:00 <sk1tt1sh> hrm eh I'll try it.
Jun 10 06:12:07 <sk1tt1sh> if it fails ohwell
Jun 10 06:18:05 <rwhitby> what's a recovery install?
Jun 10 06:23:11 <sk1tt1sh> magical
Jun 10 06:23:16 <sk1tt1sh> webosdoctor
Jun 10 06:23:31 <sk1tt1sh> im like loopin out right now... been at this for too long. I hate being a newb
Jun 10 06:37:55 <sk1tt1sh> 2 turntables and a microphone
Jun 10 06:53:55 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions updated with build numbers
Jun 10 07:24:21 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: terminal 0.3.0 installs and runs perfectly here using preware
Jun 10 07:34:18 <sk1tt1sh> using preware tho
Jun 10 07:34:27 <sk1tt1sh> put it in sprint.tar and try it :p
Jun 10 07:59:53 <rwhitby> well, for a start, sprint.tar installs in / and terminal installs in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications ...
Jun 10 08:00:06 <rwhitby> secondly, sprint.tar doesn't run post-install scripts
Jun 10 08:00:25 * rwhitby mutters about people who know just enough to be dangerous ... :)
Jun 10 08:00:52 <rwhitby> Yoppo: does the git repo have latest modeswitcher source?
Jun 10 08:08:00 <yugecn> hello
Jun 10 08:16:31 <Yoppo> rwhitby: I just pushed the latest version to the repo
Jun 10 08:28:10 <oil> Yoppo: any chance to look at govnah integration?
Jun 10 08:29:02 <Yoppo> I was going to look at it this weekend, have been a bit busy at work, but my holiday will start tomorrow so then I have time
Jun 10 08:29:23 <oil> cool
Jun 10 11:34:03 <thalunil> Anyone knows if Jason (SysToolsMgr) is available here?
Jun 10 12:35:09 <rwhitby> thalunil: no, Jason doesn't hang out here usually
Jun 10 12:53:42 <thalunil> rwhitby: ty
Jun 10 14:41:48 <kamil_> Hello
Jun 10 14:42:38 <kamil_> I've receive Palm Pre Plus from Palm but it's not activated and simlocked for AT&T. Any idea how to activate and unlock it?
Jun 10 14:59:38 <unsigned> Does the wi-fi radio go into sleep/standby after a while?
Jun 10 15:00:23 <unsigned> i have to initiate an outgoing connection (youtube , website, etc) when an external ssh session stalls on the pre
Jun 10 15:00:33 <unsigned> (ssh into pre)
Jun 10 15:06:43 <PuffTheMagic> wifi goes to sleep when screen does
Jun 10 15:06:49 <PuffTheMagic> i believe
Jun 10 15:07:23 <thalunil> this is a setting
Jun 10 15:07:30 <thalunil> can be toggled on/off
Jun 10 15:56:40 <projectAlarum> unsigned: do you still need that version of webOS dr ? I found it last night on another laptop
Jun 10 16:08:46 <sethron|work> good morning. i'm trying to get a screen shot with option-sym-p during a with a chroot Debian X session, but all I see is a black image
Jun 10 16:18:15 <dtzWill> sethron|work: that's b/c X uses opengl and as such you cannot take a screenie :(
Jun 10 16:19:02 <sethron|work> dtzWill: hm, how did you take yours?
Jun 10 16:19:02 <dtzWill> sethron|work: on my todo is to support taking a screenshot, but for now you have a few options---take a screenshot from within X (via import or similar command line tools that'll do what you want)
Jun 10 16:19:28 <dtzWill> sethron|work: i took those before i switched to GL--the GL makes it faster, but breaks screenshot compat, which seemed worth it
Jun 10 16:19:35 <dtzWill> benchmarks so ~30% improvement iirc
Jun 10 16:19:40 <dtzWill> *show
Jun 10 16:19:46 <dtzWill> anyway you /felt/ the difference
Jun 10 16:20:15 <dtzWill> so somewhere there's a version of X that doesn't blit via GL and that'll work... if you're super serious you can build that yourself or convince me to do it :)
Jun 10 16:20:22 <dtzWill> one trick is screenshots from card mode should work iirc
Jun 10 16:22:51 <sethron|work> dtzWill: i'll see what i can muster. i have stellarium installed, and I replicated the error "Widget::setMinimumSize: (/QMessageBox) Negative sizes (-160,90) are not possible"
Jun 10 17:16:40 <vibol> does anyone know why /var/usr/sbin/org.webosinternals.govnah and /var/usr/sbin/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice continue to run even after the apps have been closed? what are the processes used for?
Jun 10 17:31:03 <sk1tt1sh> what am i missing :(
Jun 10 17:31:18 <sk1tt1sh> ipkg.py fails.
Jun 10 17:31:37 <sk1tt1sh> i got ipkg-build to work but it doesn't get passed the rom verifyer
Jun 10 17:32:15 <sk1tt1sh> this is so frustrating and noone out there has any clue how to help me
Jun 10 17:32:39 <sk1tt1sh> i should give up and go be a factory worker or something cuz apparently i'm stupid
Jun 10 17:33:04 <beelzabub> just make sure that if you do you don't go to foxconn :D
Jun 10 17:33:13 <beelzabub> i hear that job is killer
Jun 10 17:33:39 <en0x> lol
Jun 10 17:36:58 <sk1tt1sh> ha
Jun 10 17:37:20 <sk1tt1sh> does anyone know how the rom verifyer works?
Jun 10 17:37:30 <sk1tt1sh> where do i go to find this out
Jun 10 17:43:20 <bpadalino|work> beelzabub: zing! that was a good one
Jun 10 17:46:51 <halfhalo_pre> wakkawakkawakka
Jun 10 17:50:14 <sk1tt1sh> you guys are epic helpful lol. a laugh is good when you're beating your head against something like this
Jun 10 17:51:15 <sk1tt1sh> I don't get it though. Its copying in the files and everything. The scripts run to change my banner but then it fails to verify cuz the rom verifyer is looking at something that I can't figure out
Jun 10 17:53:46 <Rick_work> sk1tt1sh -- what's your IPKG problem?
Jun 10 18:43:38 <eliasp> i'm planning on implementing a method like 'product.name.accessible?' which defines, whether the attribute ('name' in this case) is accessible by someone else than the admin... how'd i do this in the model? defining something like 'product.name' is easy by just doing 'def name...', but how do i do this for nested methods? "def name\n def accessible? ..."?
Jun 10 18:47:51 <eliasp> hmm, defining a submethod like this doesn't work.... http://pastie.org/999821  could anyone point me into the right direction?
Jun 10 18:48:13 <eliasp> just need the right term to ask Google for ;)
Jun 10 18:53:42 <sk1tt1sh> you have to sign your ipk's apparently
Jun 10 18:53:58 <sk1tt1sh> bah
Jun 10 18:54:04 <eliasp> wrong chan, eh? ;)
Jun 10 18:54:29 <eliasp> gnaah, my pastie above is not available... pastie.org has a lot of 503s during the last days ;(
Jun 10 18:55:15 <eliasp> pastie → pastebin.ca: http://pastebin.ca/1880593
Jun 10 18:57:42 <sk1tt1sh> if i knew i'd help!
Jun 10 18:57:48 <sk1tt1sh> I'm not really an app dev person
Jun 10 19:03:25 <eliasp> oups, now i've noticed i was in the wrong chan all the time... wth? damn IRC client didn't refresh the GUI... sorry for posting unrelated stuff ;)
Jun 10 19:03:56 <swisstomcat> evening
Jun 10 20:13:39 <RamsesFSFE> Hi, I have a problem with updating Multi Mod. It tells me "unreversed patch detected". Removing it doesn't work either, for the same reason
Jun 10 21:30:00 <sk1tt1sh> the ipk for terminal is broken
Jun 10 21:30:15 <sk1tt1sh> only installs from preware XD
Jun 10 21:58:06 <vibol> is it possible to shut down all kernel logging?
Jun 10 22:13:05 <sk1tt1sh> git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/preware/cross-compile.git
Jun 10 22:13:05 <sk1tt1sh>  is broken?
Jun 10 22:15:46 <torchie> has anyone's pre had an issue where the touchscreen stops working when sliding down, but starts working again when plugged into USB?
Jun 10 22:17:46 <Rick_work> no, but it sounds like a possible hardware failure in a plug/cable/or board.
Jun 10 22:19:08 <torchie> I read around and saw that the problem apparently has something to do with a loose battery... but I reinforced it and the same thing's happening
Jun 10 22:19:41 <oilsworkn> there was a problem where the entire phone would die when you slid the slider
Jun 10 22:19:45 <oilsworkn> that was the battery
Jun 10 22:21:19 <torchie> crap
Jun 10 22:21:22 <torchie> can't afford this
Jun 10 22:22:04 <torchie> and here I thought the risks of sliders were greatly exaggerated
Jun 10 22:22:31 <oilsworkn> my launch pre lasted almost a year
Jun 10 22:22:53 <oilsworkn> but i replaced it due to metal pieces from teh slider hanging out over the keyboard from below the screen
Jun 10 22:22:56 <oilsworkn> made it difficult to type
Jun 10 22:22:59 <oilsworkn> but still worked ok
Jun 10 22:22:59 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 10 22:23:37 <torchie> well this is a year old sprint pre I bought for $75 off-contract
Jun 10 22:24:05 <torchie> I guess if I slide it down reeeeeeeeally lightlyyyy
Jun 10 22:24:05 <oilsworkn> and i use the slider pretty much every time i go to use the phone
Jun 10 22:24:13 <oilsworkn> i slide it open to wake it up
Jun 10 22:24:20 <torchie> yeah that's how I do it
Jun 10 22:24:26 <torchie> I slam it a bit hard though
Jun 10 22:24:33 <oilsworkn> yeah, i do too
Jun 10 22:24:34 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 10 22:24:36 <torchie> urgh
Jun 10 22:24:42 <torchie> I like how this thing wonks out on me one day after I get it
Jun 10 22:24:48 <oilsworkn> there is a way to see howmany times its been opened, haha
Jun 10 22:25:21 <torchie> it seems to be behaving alright now
Jun 10 22:25:28 <torchie> but god, if this happens in the middle of the road
Jun 10 22:25:32 <torchie> so screwed
Jun 10 22:25:43 <oilsworkn> well what are you doing in the middle of hte road?
Jun 10 22:25:59 <torchie> aaand now it's not working
Jun 10 22:29:07 <torchie> ok just found out
Jun 10 22:29:17 <torchie> the connection of anything into the microUSB port makes it work again
Jun 10 22:30:04 <torchie> I think.
Jun 10 22:30:09 <torchie> maybe that was just a fluke
Jun 10 22:30:33 <torchie> basic functionality, a fluke -- isn't this why I stopped using my treo pro
Jun 10 22:32:51 <torchie> does resetting the device erase installed patches
Jun 10 22:33:05 <oilsworkn> no
Jun 10 22:33:31 <oilsworkn> only a doctor afaik
Jun 10 22:34:29 <vibol> does anyone know why webOS has so much logging turned on by default?
Jun 10 22:35:08 <torchie> does the doctor remove the updates?
Jun 10 22:35:33 <vibol> someone can probably DOS the phone just by hitting it with tons of packets because of the iptables logging...
Jun 10 22:36:02 <oilsworkn> torchie: the doctor installs whatever version the doctor is for
Jun 10 22:36:23 <torchie> ok
Jun 10 22:36:39 <torchie> is there any chance at all of this being a software issue
Jun 10 22:36:58 <oilsworkn> lol, i don't know dude
Jun 10 22:37:44 <torchie> well!
Jun 10 22:38:10 <oilsworkn> its either i share my little bit of knowledge when you ask, or just ignore you because i don't know everything :)
Jun 10 22:38:21 <torchie> lol
Jun 10 22:43:30 <torchie> well then let's do this doctor
Jun 10 22:43:39 <torchie> anything's better than what's going down now
Jun 10 22:43:49 <oilsworkn> you're going to want to make sure you backup your profile
Jun 10 22:43:51 <oilsworkn> before doing it
Jun 10 22:43:58 <oilsworkn> (with palms backup app)
Jun 10 22:44:12 <torchie> it doesn't backup automatically?
Jun 10 22:44:19 <torchie> what sort of information is on it that I need
Jun 10 22:44:27 <oilsworkn> well, it does
Jun 10 22:44:32 <oilsworkn> but sometimes it doesnt
Jun 10 22:44:33 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 10 22:44:43 <torchie> all my contacts are on google
Jun 10 22:44:57 <oilsworkn> all your apps
Jun 10 22:45:04 <oilsworkn> all the apps cookies/databases
Jun 10 22:45:09 <oilsworkn> er
Jun 10 22:45:11 <oilsworkn> idk about databases
Jun 10 22:45:13 <torchie> eh I'll just download the apps again
Jun 10 22:45:13 <oilsworkn> cookies for sure
Jun 10 22:45:18 <oilsworkn> it will automatically
Jun 10 22:45:25 <torchie> I'd actually prefer they didn't come back
Jun 10 22:45:32 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 10 22:45:35 <torchie> just in case there's something I downloaded causing the problem
Jun 10 22:45:59 <torchie> because the safest machine is no machine
Jun 10 22:46:04 <oilsworkn> you'll have to go into the catalog after logging in and cancel all the app downloads
Jun 10 23:31:13 <torchie> cool, ran the doctor and I think the problem actually got worse
Jun 10 23:37:28 <torchie> love is over
Jun 10 23:51:10 <rob____> can i ask a quick question?
Jun 10 23:51:51 <rob____> i have an issue with preware and my theme
Jun 11 00:01:57 <sk1tt1sh> i hate sprint.tar
Jun 11 00:02:36 <sk1tt1sh> rwhitby: can you show me how to properly make and sign an ipk?
Jun 11 00:03:03 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: I already have shown you the script we use to create ipkgs.
Jun 11 00:03:20 <sk1tt1sh> you showed me the script but i have no idea what im doing wront
Jun 11 00:03:21 <sk1tt1sh> you showed me the script but i have no idea what im doing wront
Jun 11 00:03:54 <sk1tt1sh> do i need to add switches or anything? ipkg-build ./folder doesn't make a legit app.
Jun 11 00:04:42 <rwhitby> The script is called in http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=support/package.mk
Jun 11 00:04:46 <vibol> is there a how-to write and package a patch somewhere?
Jun 11 00:05:06 <rwhitby> vibol: yep, there's some threads on PreCentral
Jun 11 00:05:46 <vibol> rwhitby: thanks
Jun 11 00:06:28 <rwhitby> vibol: it's basically a unified diff, anchored at / with -p1 and submitted to patches.webos-internals.org
Jun 11 00:06:46 <sk1tt1sh> rwhitby: wait what. that's different you sent me a link to your tooltree with ipkg-utils
Jun 11 00:06:56 <sk1tt1sh> last time
Jun 11 00:07:13 <vibol> rwhitby: yeah, i know what patches are, but i don't know how to package them up for Preware
Jun 11 00:07:34 <rwhitby> vibol: just unpack an existing patch ipkg
Jun 11 00:07:50 <vibol> rwhitby: ahh, okay
Jun 11 00:07:58 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: yes, first link was the script, this link was what runs the script
Jun 11 00:08:51 <sk1tt1sh> so just copy and paste it and then what
Jun 11 00:09:03 <sk1tt1sh> just type package.mk myfolder?
Jun 11 00:09:19 <sk1tt1sh> im so sorry im not good on linux :(
Jun 11 00:11:26 <rwhitby> time to learn linux then
Jun 11 00:11:43 <bpadalino> sounds like a lot of handholding
Jun 11 00:12:09 <sk1tt1sh> i would be good if there was a effin readme
Jun 11 00:12:27 <rwhitby> there's source code.  UTSL
Jun 11 00:12:34 <sk1tt1sh> utsl?
Jun 11 00:13:17 <rwhitby> ~google utsl
Jun 11 00:13:33 <rwhitby> ~botslap
Jun 11 00:13:35 <infobot> Hey what was that for, rwhitby?
Jun 11 00:13:40 <torchie> making calls on my treo pro
Jun 11 00:13:42 <torchie> feels bad man :(
Jun 11 00:14:16 <rwhitby> infobot: utsl is Use the Source, Luke!
Jun 11 00:14:18 * infobot hands is Use the Source, Luke! vim and git and in his best yoda voice says "Use the source is Use the Source, Luke!"
Jun 11 00:48:35 <rwhitby> ah, I just realised how that is meant to be used
Jun 11 00:48:40 <rwhitby> ~utsl sk1tt1sh
Jun 11 00:48:41 * infobot hands sk1tt1sh vim and git and in his best yoda voice says "Use the source sk1tt1sh"
Jun 11 00:48:56 <rwhitby> ~botsnack
Jun 11 00:48:57 <infobot> :), rwhitby
Jun 11 00:50:25 <dtzWill> LOL @ infobot, aesome
Jun 11 00:50:30 <dtzWill> s/aesome/awesome/
Jun 11 00:50:30 <infobot> dtzWill meant: LOL @ infobot, awesome
Jun 11 00:50:33 <dtzWill> infobot: ty
Jun 11 00:50:35 <infobot> methinks ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player
Jun 11 01:49:51 <sk1tt1sh> lol
Jun 11 01:51:04 <sk1tt1sh> is there a git for the package.mk?
Jun 11 02:00:42 <sk1tt1sh> akl;jfdsalkjfds;lkjf
Jun 11 02:22:12 <vcato> rwhitby: I saw your message about terminal -- that's great!
Jun 11 02:22:47 <bpadalino> what message was that ?
Jun 11 02:23:01 <vcato> bpadalino: terminal 0.3.0 combined package
Jun 11 02:23:07 <bpadalino> ah nice
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