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Jun 13 03:00:10 <jhojho> ka6sox: for instance, something that vaccums all the sqlite databases
Jun 13 03:00:38 <jhojho> http://gist.github.com/436289
Jun 13 03:01:11 <jhojho> the other would be to clean up old email and attachments
Jun 13 03:01:32 <jhojho> http://gist.github.com/436290
Jun 13 03:01:48 <jhojho> it's a good idea to reboot after the second one
Jun 13 03:02:09 <jhojho> but it should probably also be made adjustable how many days to clean up
Jun 13 03:02:42 <ka6sox> oh I like that...Turn Syshealth into an optimizing tool...excellent.
Jun 13 03:02:52 <jhojho> vacuuming the cookies db saved a bunch of space and made the browser noticeably faster
Jun 13 03:04:09 <ka6sox> I'd also like to setup logrotate too and compress the logs.
Jun 13 03:06:07 <jhojho> good idea
Jun 13 03:10:29 <ka6sox> jhojho, when I repair the wiki then we can add the features and links there for application:syshealth and set about to adding those features.
Jun 13 03:10:45 <jhojho> k
Jun 13 03:10:47 <jhojho> let me know
Jun 13 03:11:06 <ka6sox> for now you have the source that you can mod from git.
Jun 13 03:11:16 <ka6sox> check in your changes and I'll look too.
Jun 13 03:12:44 <ka6sox> we can add them to the service and then ask oil to implement buttons that we push to perform the cleanup.
Jun 13 03:13:01 <ka6sox> (I'd separate out different things to clean)
Jun 13 03:13:17 <jhojho> never messed with a service before.
Jun 13 03:13:23 <jhojho> but i'll take a stab at it
Jun 13 03:14:04 <ka6sox> okay I suggest you read the files in application:govnah for inspiration (in the src directory)
Jun 13 03:14:31 <ka6sox> iirc its luna_methods.c that we change.
Jun 13 03:14:34 <jhojho> feel free to cleanup or throw hate
Jun 13 03:14:44 * oil has a framework in there
Jun 13 03:14:47 <jhojho> that's what I figured.
Jun 13 03:14:47 <ka6sox> jhojho, won't do that...
Jun 13 03:14:54 <ka6sox> okay dinner bbiaf
Jun 13 03:15:09 <jhojho> have to yelp first for dinner options. gf throwing hate
Jun 13 03:15:13 <jhojho> bbl =)
Jun 13 03:27:59 <ka6sox> jhojho, culs!
Jun 13 03:29:48 <dan> how do check your feeds?
Jun 13 03:30:19 <ka6sox> now thats close to a record...all in the same minute
Jun 13 04:18:41 <jhojho> ka6sox: ?
Jun 13 04:20:20 <ka6sox> jhojho, ?
Jun 13 04:20:32 <ka6sox> oh...C U laters!
Jun 13 04:20:39 <jhojho> lol
Jun 13 04:22:27 <ka6sox> btw I really like your ideas about how to use SysHealth to keep the Pre/Pixi cleaned up.
Jun 13 04:23:12 <ka6sox> I'll add the df -h output to the method so that we can display the before and after of cleaning.
Jun 13 04:27:55 <jhojho> okay.
Jun 13 04:28:06 <jhojho> I'm taking a first pass at adding a method
Jun 13 04:28:26 <jhojho> wonder if we should break it out into a shell script.
Jun 13 04:34:45 <ka6sox> well..a shell script is easier to look at
Jun 13 04:34:58 <ka6sox> and we can independently upload it for testing.
Jun 13 04:35:28 <jhojho> where should I put it?
Jun 13 04:35:29 <ka6sox> and the method can call a shell script I think.
Jun 13 04:35:31 <jhojho> under src?
Jun 13 04:35:35 <ka6sox> ya
Jun 13 04:35:47 <jhojho> k
Jun 13 04:36:04 <ka6sox> anything that isn't the js stuff and is background should be in there.
Jun 13 04:36:36 <ka6sox> we will have to add where to put the script in the makefile so the ipkg puts it in the correct place.
Jun 13 04:37:21 <jhojho> yeah
Jun 13 04:37:31 <jhojho> any ideas to what the path should be?
Jun 13 04:37:47 <jhojho>  /media/internal something?
Jun 13 04:38:30 <ka6sox>  /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/sbin?
Jun 13 04:39:37 <ka6sox> thats within the normal path of a preware install.
Jun 13 04:39:45 <jhojho> sounds good to me
Jun 13 04:39:52 <jhojho> cept  it doesnt exist
Jun 13 04:40:02 <jhojho> right now
Jun 13 04:40:18 <ka6sox> ?
Jun 13 04:40:23 <jhojho>   /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin does thought
Jun 13 04:40:35 <jhojho> s/thought/though/
Jun 13 04:40:35 <infobot> jhojho meant:   /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin does though
Jun 13 04:41:21 <ka6sox> hmmm..on my pre it does.
Jun 13 04:41:27 <rwhitby> how about putting the scripts in /var/svc/org.webosinternals.syshealth, alongside saverestore
Jun 13 04:41:44 <ka6sox> okay that sounds good.
Jun 13 04:42:15 <ka6sox> except on my pre that doesnt' exist yet.
Jun 13 04:42:20 <rwhitby> look at saverestore makefile for how to get them there from a scripts directory in git
Jun 13 04:42:28 <rwhitby> and saverestore postinst
Jun 13 04:42:30 <HattCzech> rwhitby: what is done to make a hybrid app run? (what does the autobuild do to compile the services?)
Jun 13 04:43:06 <rwhitby> HattCzech: we don't have any hybrid apps in the autobuilder yet, just apps with mojo and C service in the same package
Jun 13 04:43:26 <ka6sox> jhojho, okay I'm downloading that git repo to look. we can both figure it out.
Jun 13 04:43:28 <rwhitby> (hybrid apps in webOS is a specific term for PDK plugins)
Jun 13 04:43:46 <HattCzech> ahhh, my mistake
Jun 13 04:44:03 <HattCzech> i meant apps with a service and and interface
Jun 13 04:44:57 <jhojho> okay, changing the path to rwithby's suggestion
Jun 13 04:53:20 <rwhitby> HattCzech: look in preware/build.git to see how we package them
Jun 13 04:55:33 <HattCzech> okay, thanks
Jun 13 05:00:05 <ka6sox> jhojho, when you upload the scripts I'll play with them here as well.
Jun 13 05:00:32 <jhojho> ok
Jun 13 05:02:47 <ka6sox> oil, can you look @ a value before you call a method and then call the method then look @ the value after?
Jun 13 05:09:39 <jhojho> okay
Jun 13 05:09:42 <jhojho> just pushed
Jun 13 05:09:44 <ka6sox> jhojho, that postinst looks prey straightforward.
Jun 13 05:09:48 <ka6sox> jhojho, thanks
Jun 13 05:11:06 <ka6sox> I'll have to see if the build.git tgz's the scripts.
Jun 13 05:11:13 <ka6sox> or we have to tar them up first.
Jun 13 05:17:16 <ka6sox> is there a reason that services for applications that are closed are still running?
Jun 13 05:17:38 <rwhitby> ka6sox: yep, they're listening to dbus for the next method call
Jun 13 05:18:03 <ka6sox> oh,
Jun 13 05:19:03 <ka6sox> glad the services are small then.
Jun 13 05:32:02 <jhojho> I wonder if we should just have a generic service to execute shell commands..
Jun 13 05:33:58 <jhojho> does anyone know off the top of their head where search engines are being defined? i saw some reference on precentral that it was in some sqlite db
Jun 13 05:34:34 <kmax12> can anyone here answer a question about the preware feeds?
Jun 13 05:35:03 <jhojho> want to create a patch so that google stops doing the crazy country redirect
Jun 13 05:35:13 <ka6sox> kmax12, ask away...somebody usually can.
Jun 13 05:38:59 <ka6sox> jhojho, I'd rather have the method call the script. easier to debug.
Jun 13 05:40:00 <jhojho> ka6sox: what I mean is I think there's a service for preware to execute sh commands too right
Jun 13 05:40:05 <jhojho> and for save and restore
Jun 13 05:40:43 <jhojho> I would think that it would be nice to have a method call to a generic service
Jun 13 05:41:02 <jhojho> but then there's the challenge of being a security hole
Jun 13 05:41:06 <jhojho> oh well
Jun 13 05:43:41 <rwhitby> jhojho: the scripts that saverestore calls are not under the control of mojo - they are named by appid, and mojo can only decide which of the existing scripts to call
Jun 13 05:43:57 <rwhitby> preware does not have a generic shell script execution capability
Jun 13 05:44:12 <rwhitby> upstartmgr also allows any existing upstart script to be started or stopped
Jun 13 05:45:02 <jhojho> k
Jun 13 05:45:19 <rwhitby> specifically, none of the services allow mojo to create a new script, nor to alter the contents of an existing script.  although I reckon govnah probably has a vector available via the sticky profiles
Jun 13 05:45:28 <jhojho> so anyone have idea which sqlite db holds the search engine settings? or i'll have to start rooting around
Jun 13 05:49:05 <ka6sox> jhojho, sorry I don't.
Jun 13 05:53:59 <jhojho> oaky it is /var/luna/preferences/systemprefs.db
Jun 13 05:56:39 <sk1tt1sh> ~utsl sk1tt1sh
Jun 13 05:56:52 <sk1tt1sh> aww weak
Jun 13 06:01:27 <jhojho> oh nice
Jun 13 06:01:33 <ka6sox> jhojho, I don't see any output from those scripts that we need to either pass back up the chain to mojo or just ignore and watch std_err for a completion.
Jun 13 06:01:48 <jhojho> https://www.google.com/m/ncr/search works
Jun 13 06:02:10 <jhojho> ka6sox: not really
Jun 13 06:02:30 <jhojho> the only problem is not all *.db and *.db3 files are sqlite databases
Jun 13 06:02:59 <jhojho> so sqlite will complain about it
Jun 13 06:03:16 <ka6sox> as in complain and stop or just complain?
Jun 13 06:04:01 <jhojho> just complain
Jun 13 06:04:16 <jhojho> oh that's a bummer. https://www.google.com/m/ncr/search is not all ssl
Jun 13 06:08:02 <jhojho> okay.
Jun 13 06:08:17 <jhojho> any ideas on how we can modify a sqlite db as part of a patch?
Jun 13 06:08:34 <jhojho> well an entry
Jun 13 06:08:56 <ka6sox> can you do a table insert from just calling sql?
Jun 13 06:09:19 <ka6sox> or a modify?
Jun 13 06:09:20 <jhojho> well  a patch so far is a diff no?
Jun 13 06:09:45 <jhojho> or does it have a pre and postinst?
Jun 13 06:10:45 <ka6sox> I haven't done patches so I don't know
Jun 13 06:14:40 <jhojho> I hate the fact that google voice only lets you select one page at a time
Jun 13 06:34:50 <jhojho> I want to delete all my voicemails at once
Jun 13 06:44:49 <ka6sox> jhojho, usually google has a all, option somewhere.
Jun 13 06:45:11 <jhojho> yeah  it only covers the current page.
Jun 13 06:45:17 <jhojho> major wth
Jun 13 06:45:38 <jhojho> *and* deleting only moves it to the trash folder
Jun 13 06:45:56 <jhojho> and it will not be deleted (no delete after 30 days like gmail)
Jun 13 06:46:15 <jhojho> you have to select things again and then click "delete forever"
Jun 13 06:55:23 <ka6sox> its kind of like Fer Sure, Fer Sure.
Jun 13 07:00:11 <jhojho> very annoying. I want it to be the Unix wy
Jun 13 07:00:12 <jhojho> way
Jun 13 07:00:20 <jhojho> delete when I say delete
Jun 13 07:01:58 * rwhitby doctors experia.pre for the 10th time today
Jun 13 07:06:40 <Robi_> hah ShannonElizabeth just broke her Pre
Jun 13 07:10:07 <jhojho> http://www.pcworld.com/article/195390/google_voice_skype_get_unified_caller_id.html
Jun 13 07:10:14 <jhojho> just set this up.
Jun 13 07:10:42 <jhojho> now i wish i knew someone that could get me a gizmo5 account
Jun 13 07:11:09 <rwhitby> I used to have one of those
Jun 13 07:11:33 <rwhitby> I have a google voice account, but can't use it (outside of US)
Jun 13 07:13:00 <Robi_> i have a gizmo acct but its not very useful atm
Jun 13 07:13:24 <Robi_> you can set up a free incoming SIP service and have it work with GV
Jun 13 07:15:18 <Robi_> that way u can make free calls to the us at least
Jun 13 07:15:28 <Robi_> even if you're not
Jun 13 07:20:42 <tmzt> rwhitby: used to?
Jun 13 07:21:04 <tmzt> what he said, you can call us with a sipphone account even if your not there
Jun 13 07:21:14 <tmzt> but you have to have a us number to activate gv
Jun 13 07:21:58 <rwhitby> and you have to be in the US to actually access the web site - it's geofiltered
Jun 13 07:22:08 <rwhitby> oh look, I still do have a gizmo account
Jun 13 07:23:18 <Robi_> can be proxied
Jun 13 07:25:53 <rwhitby> ah, nice.  the new AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE feature of MetaDoctor, combined with INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES, means that Preware is already installed before the UI is fully started :)
Jun 13 07:26:34 <rwhitby> and a new 2GB ext3 partition automatically mounted on /media/ext3fs :)
Jun 13 07:28:23 <rwhitby> ka6sox: MetaDoctor is ready
Jun 13 07:29:06 <ka6sox> rwhitby, thanks..pulling
Jun 13 07:58:37 <jhojho> yeah I wanted a gizmo account so that I can have GV dial Skype as one of my numbers
Jun 13 07:59:45 <jhojho> rwhitby: does your gizmo account have invites?
Jun 13 08:09:43 <rwhitby> jhojho: no
Jun 13 08:09:50 <rwhitby> "New user signup has been suspended and will return when we re-launch."
Jun 13 08:10:04 <jhojho> bummer
Jun 13 08:34:15 <ka6sox> rwhitby, it didn't blow up with both /var and /ext3fs enabled.
Jun 13 09:10:52 <jhojho> erk. ssh access to the pre is behaving very strangely
Jun 13 09:11:21 <ka6sox> jhojho, are you using wifi to connect to it?
Jun 13 09:11:29 <jhojho> yes
Jun 13 09:11:42 <ka6sox> are you plugged into a source of power with the pre?
Jun 13 09:11:54 * rwhitby is loving this auto-install of preware on doctoring
Jun 13 09:12:31 <ka6sox> jhojho, are you plugged into a source of power with the pre?
Jun 13 09:12:38 <jhojho> yes
Jun 13 09:12:52 <ka6sox> well..then its not what I was worrying about...
Jun 13 09:12:58 <ka6sox> powerd is disabled.
Jun 13 09:12:58 <jhojho> I know about the powerup/down when it's not plugged in
Jun 13 09:13:06 <jhojho> that's why I was wthing
Jun 13 09:13:19 <ka6sox> k
Jun 13 09:14:25 <ka6sox> 40 minutes and I'l be doctoring :D
Jun 13 09:15:16 <ka6sox> itmt I'll give save/restore a whirl.
Jun 13 09:22:57 <ka6sox> ooh, thats slick
Jun 13 09:24:48 <ka6sox> rwhitby, is there a way that we could have preware use a saved list of apps of what you had installed and re-install them in a batch way (using a list you put back in /media/internals?
Jun 13 09:25:03 <ka6sox> )
Jun 13 09:26:42 <ka6sox> if save/restore can save the apps list and put it in /media/internals/saverestore/prewareapps (or some such place)
Jun 13 09:31:45 <jhojho> rwhitby: oh one thing I've been meaning to ask you.
Jun 13 09:32:09 <jhojho> would it make sense to have save/restore save browser cookies and bookmarks?
Jun 13 09:33:14 <ka6sox> nm...I see it now.
Jun 13 09:36:12 <ka6sox> jhojho, I'd like the bookmarks..dunno about cookies though.
Jun 13 09:37:03 <jhojho> cookies coz i use 1password and it's a HUGE hassle to type in 20 random char passwords
Jun 13 09:37:20 <ka6sox> ewww...thats ugly
Jun 13 09:37:27 <jhojho> I just wish 1password was available somehow on webos =)
Jun 13 09:37:41 <jhojho> 1password is my friend
Jun 13 09:38:33 <ka6sox> are those stored in a sqlite db?
Jun 13 09:50:26 <jhojho> 1password?
Jun 13 09:51:09 <ka6sox> bookmarks and cookies
Jun 13 09:51:40 <jhojho>   /var/palm/data/browser-cookies.db
Jun 13 09:51:47 <jhojho> not sure where bookmarks are stored
Jun 13 09:53:35 <jhojho> oh wait I know
Jun 13 09:53:41 <jhojho> but pre is down
Jun 13 09:53:49 <jhojho> it's in /var/palm/data
Jun 13 09:54:03 <jhojho> there's a subdir with browser in the name
Jun 13 09:54:26 <ka6sox> ile_.usr.palm.applications.com.palm.app.browser_0/*.db
Jun 13 09:54:34 <ka6sox> +f
Jun 13 09:54:43 <ka6sox> file_.usr.palm.applications.com.palm.app.browser_0/*.db
Jun 13 09:55:02 <jhojho>  /var/palm/data/file_.usr.palm.applications.com.palm.app.browser_0/0000000000000004.db
Jun 13 09:55:18 <ka6sox> mine is *6.db but ya
Jun 13 09:55:52 <ka6sox> wonder if that also has history.
Jun 13 09:57:01 <ka6sox> bbiaf...doctoring.
Jun 13 09:58:41 <rwhitby> jhojho: palm profile saves browser cookies, and save/restore saves bookmarks and launch icons since 0.8.3
Jun 13 10:01:24 <ka6sox> <INFO> Running "mke2fs -j -b4096 -m0 -L /media/ext3fs /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs > /dev/null 2> /dev/null"
Jun 13 10:02:05 <jhojho> rwhitby:  ah cool!
Jun 13 10:10:28 <swisstomcat> hey
Jun 13 10:12:08 <ka6sox> morning swisstomcat
Jun 13 10:12:45 <swisstomcat> morning ka6sox
Jun 13 10:12:51 <swisstomcat> on a clean 10.04 install now
Jun 13 10:12:55 <ka6sox> I'm up way too late.
Jun 13 10:12:55 <swisstomcat> boots in 6 seconds :)
Jun 13 10:13:06 <ka6sox> ya, the new boot stuff is amazing.
Jun 13 10:13:25 <ka6sox> I've started using pygrub for Xen and it boots in <10 seconds.
Jun 13 10:13:43 <swisstomcat> the ssd helps too
Jun 13 10:14:15 <ka6sox> I just bought 2 80GB drives recently but Haven't had time to work with them yet
Jun 13 10:14:28 <swisstomcat> intel x-25m?
Jun 13 10:14:36 <jhojho> yeah 10.04 boots insanely fast.
Jun 13 10:14:37 <ka6sox> I think thats teh model.
Jun 13 10:14:40 <jhojho> even on vmware
Jun 13 10:15:10 <swisstomcat> those are good
Jun 13 10:15:53 <ka6sox> I need to get 150MB/sec read off of them over an hour solid.
Jun 13 10:16:38 <swisstomcat> that should work
Jun 13 10:16:45 <swisstomcat> raid-0 them :)
Jun 13 10:17:34 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: MetaDoctor now auto-loads Preware
Jun 13 10:17:37 <ka6sox> swisstomcat, thats what I currently have...raid0 array but the files are 60GB and take too long to transfer from the external disk to the raid array.
Jun 13 10:18:22 <swisstomcat> with the insert method, rwhitby?
Jun 13 10:18:32 <ka6sox>   ACTIVE            '/dev/store/ext3fs' [2.00 GB] inherit
Jun 13 10:18:32 <ka6sox>   ACTIVE            '/dev/store/media' [2.94 GB] inherit
Jun 13 10:18:43 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: yep, at the moment
Jun 13 10:18:49 <swisstomcat> cool
Jun 13 10:19:02 <swisstomcat> how long until palm is going to block that method?
Jun 13 10:19:47 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: don't see why they would, since it's not a security hole cause you need to have inserted a new CA first using root access.
Jun 13 10:19:59 <rwhitby> (which meta-doctor does)
Jun 13 10:20:09 <swisstomcat> oh, isee
Jun 13 10:20:39 <rwhitby> I make a point of not using security vulnerabilities for features of our tools :)
Jun 13 10:21:03 <ka6sox> rwhitby, preware did NOT install (or at least its not on the launcher)
Jun 13 10:21:06 <swisstomcat> the package source has to be https
Jun 13 10:21:07 <swisstomcat> ?
Jun 13 10:21:26 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: no, I'm loading from get.preware.org
Jun 13 10:21:51 <rwhitby> ka6sox: oh, do you have network access yet?
Jun 13 10:22:13 <rwhitby> cause it needs to download it, so you'll want to pre-install wifi profiles
Jun 13 10:22:34 <ka6sox> oh...didn't know that was a dep
Jun 13 10:22:46 <rwhitby> it's not, you just need network access
Jun 13 10:23:11 <rwhitby> ka6sox: check in the app catalog shopping bag icon
Jun 13 10:23:37 <rwhitby> or sqlite3 /var/palm/data/com.palm.appInstallerService/installHistory.db .dump
Jun 13 10:24:13 <ka6sox> okay thats gonna need to be explained.  as soon as I got wifi access it worked.
Jun 13 10:24:42 <ka6sox> and installed
Jun 13 10:24:59 <rwhitby> "AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE automatically queues the installation of Preware as soon as a network connection is available after first boot."
Jun 13 10:25:13 <rwhitby> that's what the doco at the top of the file says
Jun 13 10:25:33 <ka6sox> it would still be cool if preware could just look @ /media/internals/saverestore/preware and do a batch re-install without having to get save/restore first.
Jun 13 10:26:03 <swisstomcat> that'd be cool too
Jun 13 10:26:18 <swisstomcat> painless doctoring
Jun 13 10:26:26 <rwhitby> ka6sox: you need save/restore for all the app data anyway
Jun 13 10:27:04 <rwhitby> I'm going to take a look at the palm profile backup to see if there is a way to add stuff to it
Jun 13 10:27:53 <rwhitby> ka6sox: did the phone have cellular network access, or was wifi the first network access it hard?
Jun 13 10:27:57 <rwhitby> s/hard/had/
Jun 13 10:28:29 <ka6sox> this phone isn't on contract so I only have WiFi
Jun 13 10:28:49 <rwhitby> ok, so it's working as documented then
Jun 13 10:29:05 <ka6sox> k
Jun 13 10:32:39 <rwhitby> ok, I need to add time zone support to meta-doctor
Jun 13 10:33:25 <ka6sox> the tars created were in the future on my last setup.
Jun 13 10:33:55 <ka6sox> save/restore doesn't keep the list of installed packages?
Jun 13 10:34:23 <rwhitby> it does if you updated them in preware and then saved them in save/restore
Jun 13 10:34:43 <ka6sox> hmmm...didn't do that for me
Jun 13 10:34:58 <ka6sox> the saved packages list is only 2 long
Jun 13 10:35:06 <ka6sox> preware and save-restore
Jun 13 10:35:07 <rwhitby> what's the /var/luna/preferences/localtime symlink pointing to for you guys?
Jun 13 10:35:21 <rwhitby> ka6sox: when did you last hit "update" in preware saved packages list?  it's not automatic
Jun 13 10:35:58 <ka6sox> I did before I did a save before I doctored it.
Jun 13 10:36:33 <ka6sox> I updated it then doctored, then installed save/restore and restored
Jun 13 10:37:02 <ka6sox> then looked at the saved packages list and the only thing there was preware and save-restore
Jun 13 10:37:33 <rwhitby> ka6sox: did you update in preware, then save in save restore, then doctor?
Jun 13 10:37:49 <rwhitby> I suspect you missed the middle step
Jun 13 10:37:51 <swisstomcat> need to install the sdk first, have a clean 10.04
Jun 13 10:37:55 <ka6sox> yes
Jun 13 10:38:31 <ka6sox> hmmm...weird okay...I'm going to try this again.
Jun 13 10:39:09 <ka6sox> install apps/save list/doctor/install preware/install saverestore/look @ updated list
Jun 13 10:39:39 <rwhitby> no,
Jun 13 10:39:58 <rwhitby> install apps, update list, save preware data in save restore, then doctor
Jun 13 10:40:06 <ka6sox> k
Jun 13 10:45:55 * rwhitby adds SET_DEFAULT_TIMEZONE to MetaDoctor
Jun 13 10:51:02 <ka6sox> so can I use saverestore to pull out the /var/preferences/com.palm.wifi/prefsDB.sl and rewrite its name in the proper format?
Jun 13 10:52:37 <rwhitby> no
Jun 13 10:52:56 <rwhitby> just scp or novacom get it out
Jun 13 11:09:23 <ka6sox> okay re-doctoring
Jun 13 11:09:27 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: /var/luna/preferences/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Paris
Jun 13 11:10:50 <ka6sox> welcome back infobot
Jun 13 11:11:05 <ka6sox> ~wb
Jun 13 11:11:06 <infobot> It's great to be back!
Jun 13 11:11:17 <swisstomcat> did you have a nice vacation?
Jun 13 11:11:21 <rwhitby> hmm - timezone didn't stick
Jun 13 11:14:08 <ka6sox> mmmm...2GB of /media/ext3fs to play with.
Jun 13 11:15:06 <ka6sox> rwhitby, who was the Debian guy who did the installer?
Jun 13 11:15:21 <ka6sox> I need to find that script and mod it.
Jun 13 11:15:35 <ka6sox> it wasn't joeyh...it was tbm
Jun 13 11:17:38 <rwhitby> ok, looks like it's /var/luna/preferences/systemprefs.db that I need to fool
Jun 13 11:32:29 <ka6sox> rwhitby, same thing
Jun 13 11:32:46 <ka6sox> didn't restore the apps list to saved packages list
Jun 13 11:33:54 <rwhitby> ka6sox: are you following any instructions, e.g. http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew?
Jun 13 11:34:11 <rwhitby> you need to start preware once first, then restore, then open preware again
Jun 13 11:34:25 <ka6sox> ya, I'm doing that now
Jun 13 11:34:51 <ka6sox> that was the page I couldnt' remember
Jun 13 11:39:44 <ka6sox> okay it picked up the wifi config and immediately installed preware that time.
Jun 13 11:44:27 <Eike> hi!
Jun 13 11:44:46 <Eike> i need help with installing preware... is anybody here, who can help me?
Jun 13 11:44:56 <swisstomcat> hi
Jun 13 11:45:03 <Eike> hey...
Jun 13 11:45:04 <swisstomcat> we don't know anything about preware
Jun 13 11:45:13 <swisstomcat> ;)
Jun 13 11:45:16 <Eike> pretty funny ;)
Jun 13 11:45:18 <ka6sox> ha ha ha
Jun 13 11:45:39 <Eike> so, can you help me, please?
Jun 13 11:45:43 <swisstomcat> go ahead
Jun 13 11:45:51 <Eike> alright
Jun 13 11:45:53 <rwhitby> Eike: which step of http://install.preware.org/ are you up to?
Jun 13 11:46:20 <Eike> i have opened the quickinstaller
Jun 13 11:46:28 <Eike> downloaded the preware
Jun 13 11:46:35 <rwhitby> do you have the correct version of wosqi?
Jun 13 11:46:53 <rwhitby> and what version of webOS are you running
Jun 13 11:46:54 <Eike> 3.14
Jun 13 11:47:04 <rwhitby> 3.14 is correct for wosqi
Jun 13 11:47:16 <rwhitby> webOS version?
Jun 13 11:47:25 <Eike> wos version is 1.4.1
Jun 13 11:47:35 <rwhitby> ok, go ahead
Jun 13 11:47:38 <Eike> alright
Jun 13 11:47:46 <Eike> i have downloaded preware
Jun 13 11:47:54 <Eike> my pre is put in dev-mode
Jun 13 11:47:55 <Eike> but
Jun 13 11:48:17 <Eike> wosqi does not get my pre as a device
Jun 13 11:48:32 <rwhitby> what host computer OS are you running?
Jun 13 11:49:09 <Eike> sorry... dont understand :D
Jun 13 11:49:22 <rwhitby> windows, linux, mac?  which version?
Jun 13 11:49:23 <swisstomcat> what operating system do you have on your computer?
Jun 13 11:49:27 <Eike> ah
Jun 13 11:49:31 <Eike> windows 7
Jun 13 11:49:39 <rwhitby> have you ever been able to connect to a Pre with that computer in any way before?
Jun 13 11:49:49 <Eike> well, as usb-device, yeah
Jun 13 11:50:07 <rwhitby> with wosqi or the webos doctor or novacom?
Jun 13 11:50:17 <Eike> none of them
Jun 13 11:50:23 <Eike> simply with the explorer
Jun 13 11:50:43 <rwhitby> ok, have you searched on precentral forums for wosqi and windows 7 ?
Jun 13 11:50:54 <Eike> this is my first try to get deeper into the pre-thing
Jun 13 11:50:59 <rwhitby> (it's a known problematic combination)
Jun 13 11:51:06 <Eike> i will do that, ok
Jun 13 11:51:33 <rwhitby> also, search on developer.palm.com for instructions on getting the SDK to work on windows 7 - it's likely to be the same answer
Jun 13 11:51:34 <swisstomcat> one thing you could try is: go to options in webosquickinstall
Jun 13 11:51:44 <swisstomcat> attempt novacom (re)installation
Jun 13 11:51:48 <swisstomcat> before you search
Jun 13 11:51:55 <rwhitby> yeah, do that first
Jun 13 11:52:27 <Eike> one question: when i connect my pre with the computer, my pre asks how it should be treated: usb-device or only loading... what shall i choose
Jun 13 11:52:46 <grndslm> just charge
Jun 13 11:52:47 <rwhitby> charge only
Jun 13 11:52:51 <Eike> yeah
Jun 13 11:53:00 <rwhitby> Eike: is that specified anywhere on install.preware.org ?
Jun 13 11:53:03 <Eike> i thought so, but it could have been...
Jun 13 11:53:24 <Eike> no its not
Jun 13 11:53:38 <swisstomcat> usb-device means that the pre will appear as a drive to your computer so you can transfer data from/to it
Jun 13 11:53:40 <rwhitby> ok, I will add it
Jun 13 11:53:47 <Eike> yeah, i know...
Jun 13 11:54:16 <Eike> but you see, its my first time dealing with the pre system and so... well... i'm a rookie ;)
Jun 13 11:54:26 <swisstomcat> no problem
Jun 13 11:54:33 <swisstomcat> everyone was a rookie one
Jun 13 11:54:38 <swisstomcat> once
Jun 13 11:54:57 <rwhitby> Eike: ok, I've updated install.preware.org - can you check to make sure my addition makes sense to you?
Jun 13 11:55:46 <Eike> cant see it, yet
Jun 13 11:56:03 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install - you may need to shift-reload
Jun 13 11:56:21 <swisstomcat> 3) Connect your device to your computer with the USB cable, and select  "Just Charge" (do not select USB Drive)
Jun 13 11:56:52 <Eike> alright, now its there
Jun 13 11:56:53 <Eike> fine
Jun 13 11:57:10 <Eike> i looked at preware.org/install
Jun 13 11:58:02 <rwhitby> yeah, we should just make that point to install.preware.org
Jun 13 12:00:15 <Eike> now its working!
Jun 13 12:00:32 <ka6sox> does save/restore save profiles for govnah?
Jun 13 12:00:36 <grndslm> install.preware.org looks very nice  :)
Jun 13 12:00:39 <Eike> thank you VERY much, guys!
Jun 13 12:01:32 <rwhitby> ka6sox: it does not, but you could make it :)
Jun 13 12:01:58 <ka6sox> okay, sounds good.
Jun 13 12:03:22 <Eike> you really helped me getting along...
Jun 13 12:03:31 <Eike> a good sunday afternoon to all of you
Jun 13 12:03:54 <Eike> and keep fingers crossed for the german team tonight! ;)
Jun 13 12:03:59 <rwhitby> egaudet: pixi webOS 1.4.3 has framework 345 instead of 338
Jun 13 12:04:49 <rwhitby> Eike: heh, you realise an Australian runs this channel ....
Jun 13 12:04:59 <Eike> hehe, i did
Jun 13 12:04:59 <swisstomcat> eike: if you find german translation errors, let me know :)
Jun 13 12:05:05 <Eike> alright, i will!
Jun 13 12:06:10 <Eike> see ya! bye!
Jun 13 12:15:34 <nt4cats> rwhitby: (non webOS curiosity) Most Americans are not terribly interested in the world cup.  Most Europeans are crazy for it.  Of course there are exceptions in both places.  What broad generalization would you make regarding Australian interest in the world cup?
Jun 13 12:16:50 <nt4cats> (and I'll narrow the scope of those statements to "sports fans in [continent here]")
Jun 13 12:16:51 <rwhitby> very interested but not generally crazy
Jun 13 12:21:58 <swisstomcat> anyone want cake? it's my birthday today
Jun 13 12:22:33 <ka6sox> swisstomcat, if it takes the same amount of time as that pixi did to get here it will be stale :D
Jun 13 12:22:53 <nt4cats> Happy birthday, swissy.  Both my Son and I are June birthdays, too.
Jun 13 12:23:05 <ka6sox> 6days
Jun 13 12:23:07 <nt4cats> (but I don't eat anything with sugar in it, so no cake for me)
Jun 13 12:23:52 <nt4cats> (and I just capitalized "Son" -- a practice usually reserved for Jesus, I think)
Jun 13 12:23:55 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 13 12:24:15 <swisstomcat> my son's bday is on the 11th of june
Jun 13 12:24:32 <ka6sox> mine's the 18th
Jun 13 12:24:46 <swisstomcat> lot's of gemini
Jun 13 12:24:48 <swisstomcat> lots
Jun 13 12:25:27 <ka6sox> rwhitby, looks like quite a job to get the profiles as they must be stored in a .db somewhere...still haven't found that yet.
Jun 13 12:25:46 * nt4cats and the boy are the 28th and 27th (respectively) -- Cancers here
Jun 13 12:25:59 <rwhitby> ka6sox: just use srf.app.databases and/or srf.app.cookies with save/restore and it will find them automatically
Jun 13 12:26:39 <ka6sox> databases is missing in the current implementation
Jun 13 12:26:48 <ka6sox> appinfo and cookies
Jun 13 12:27:57 <rwhitby> ka6sox: pardon?
Jun 13 12:28:11 <ka6sox> source `dirname $0`/srf.app.info
Jun 13 12:28:11 <ka6sox> source `dirname $0`/srf.app.cookies
Jun 13 12:28:25 <rwhitby> oh, there's a script for it?
Jun 13 12:28:46 <rwhitby> so just add databases to it
Jun 13 12:29:00 <ka6sox> done, committing and pushing
Jun 13 12:30:13 <ka6sox> okay its pushed
Jun 13 12:32:16 <ka6sox> should I tag it 0.8.4?
Jun 13 12:32:51 <ka6sox> (next in line)
Jun 13 12:33:41 <rwhitby> only if you've updated appinfo.json and app/assistants/startup-assistant.js and tested.
Jun 13 12:34:25 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: happy birthday
Jun 13 12:34:35 <swisstomcat> thx :)
Jun 13 12:34:48 * rwhitby was busy looking at compcache and uber and missed that exchange earlier :)
Jun 13 12:45:03 <swisstomcat> i'll send you a virtual piece of cake anyway
Jun 13 15:25:53 <chester> Hi has anyone tried to compile widk on ubuntu lucid?
Jun 13 15:29:48 <zickzack>  Hi has anyone tried to compile widk on ubuntu lucid?
Jun 13 15:30:35 <zickzack> anyone there?
Jun 13 15:33:33 <bpadalino> i thought ubuntu worked
Jun 13 15:33:39 <bpadalino> what are you getting stuck on ?
Jun 13 15:41:14 <swisstomcat> i tried but it didn't work
Jun 13 15:53:12 <zickzack> I get stuck at the 'make stage' step
Jun 13 15:53:36 <zickzack> It appears that Xrender.h is missing
Jun 13 15:54:20 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 13 15:54:28 <swisstomcat> you're talking about the widk .. sorry
Jun 13 15:54:30 <swisstomcat> i thought pdk
Jun 13 15:54:41 <swisstomcat> i only tried 8.04 server and it worked
Jun 13 15:54:46 <swisstomcat> as a VM
Jun 13 15:55:23 <zickzack> is there a way to get it running under 10.04?
Jun 13 15:56:33 <swisstomcat> idk
Jun 13 15:56:42 <swisstomcat> haven't tried yet
Jun 13 15:58:00 <zsoc> zickzack: it's made to work under 10.04, are you following the wiki guide
Jun 13 15:58:15 <zsoc> also, what are you planning on using it for? You may not need to make every package as the last command tries to do
Jun 13 15:59:22 <zickzack> yes i followed every step on the wiki. I'm planning to get my Qt App running
Jun 13 16:02:21 <keith> damn, had to get a replacement palm pre and now terminal is having redraw issues w/ screen+irssi
Jun 13 16:03:41 <zickzack> how do I select which packages to build
Jun 13 16:17:52 <swisstomcat> bbl
Jun 13 17:36:20 <bpadalino> good afternoon
Jun 13 17:37:50 <ka6sox> morning bpadalino
Jun 13 17:37:57 <bpadalino> how are things ?
Jun 13 17:39:56 <ka6sox> bpadalino, fixed up macports install that was b0rk3n
Jun 13 17:40:07 <ka6sox> now installing git-core
Jun 13 17:40:09 <bpadalino> very nice
Jun 13 17:40:31 <ka6sox> and getting ready to not have to ssh into my office machine.
Jun 13 17:41:21 <emmbea> hi all
Jun 13 17:41:36 <ka6sox> mornin'
Jun 13 17:41:36 <bpadalino> not being forced to ssh is a good thing
Jun 13 17:42:14 <ka6sox> bpadalino means I won't have to drag 208MB Doctors across the net
Jun 13 17:46:15 <bpadalino> :)
Jun 13 17:46:47 <emmbea> i'm wondering if it is feasible to compile vlc media player for webos
Jun 13 17:49:21 <ka6sox> emmbea, dunno
Jun 13 17:50:03 <bpadalino> straight out of the box? i doubt it ..
Jun 13 17:50:07 <ka6sox> ask dtzWill when you see him.
Jun 13 17:50:50 <ka6sox> ffmpeg should work on armel.
Jun 13 17:51:07 <keith> ffmpeg works on arm
Jun 13 17:51:14 <keith> dont think the rest of the vlc port does tho
Jun 13 17:51:32 <keith> i used mplayer on my zaurus
Jun 13 17:51:35 <keith> back in the day
Jun 13 17:51:39 <keith> http://wiki.videolan.org/ARM-XCompile#Cross_compile_VLC_for_ARM-based_platforms
Jun 13 17:51:43 <keith> updated 2004!
Jun 13 17:51:48 <ka6sox> w00t!
Jun 13 17:52:16 <keith> doesnt look like many have done anything with mplayer since then, either
Jun 13 17:52:16 <emmbea> yes, i saw the optware version was compiled for devices without video output
Jun 13 17:52:25 <emmbea> i mean with sdl disabled
Jun 13 17:52:42 <keith> it seems like it'd make more sense to get totem or something that uses gstreamer working
Jun 13 17:52:51 <keith> and then get ffmpeg gstreamer plugins working?
Jun 13 17:52:53 <keith> so its more native?
Jun 13 17:53:05 <keith> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-ffmpeg.html
Jun 13 17:54:00 <keith> hell, if someone got gstreamer-ffmpeg going, the native video player might work?
Jun 13 17:55:47 <zsoc> keith: as of 1.4, webOS uses gst-ffmpeg
Jun 13 17:55:59 <zsoc> ffmpeg also works fine by itself
Jun 13 17:56:02 <zsoc> even statically compiled
Jun 13 17:56:05 <zsoc> trust me, i've done all of it
Jun 13 17:56:47 <zsoc> i actually do audio and video file conversion pretty regularly on my device via ffmpeg command line
Jun 13 17:56:59 <zsoc> the major issues are basically getting video sinks working properly
Jun 13 17:57:13 <zsoc> option 1.) is gst-ffmpeg and sdlvideosink
Jun 13 17:57:27 <zsoc> downside being gst-ffmpeg is generally an older version of ffmpeg and libavcodec
Jun 13 17:57:38 <zsoc> option 2.) is a native sdl app that uses ffmpeg front end as a video player
Jun 13 17:58:03 <zsoc> which would work fine, but almost all of my media coding experience is gstreamer, so i'm unfamiliar. and ffmpeg docs are literally nonexistant besides the doxygen
Jun 13 17:58:11 * zsoc is talking to himself again
Jun 13 17:58:27 <ka6sox> not quite..
Jun 13 17:59:09 <emmbea> my thought was vlc because it was listed among the sdl projects at libsdl.org
Jun 13 17:59:55 <zsoc> emmbea: it's something i haven't looked far into. if vlc has sdl support, or can be hacked to have it reasonably, there's no reason the whole thing couldn't be statically compiled and shipped, even as a PDK project in the app cat
Jun 13 17:59:58 <zsoc> hell, i'll race you
Jun 13 18:00:00 <zsoc> :>
Jun 13 18:00:57 <zsoc> but you'll win, because i'll be playing dwarf fortress rather than coding for the next few weeks, at a minimum
Jun 13 18:01:49 <emmbea> don't bet on me -- lacking the expertise :)
Jun 13 18:06:52 <zsoc> emmbea: crap, if I start looking into this and it's feasable, you've ruined my life for at least the next 3 weeks getting this working
Jun 13 18:07:14 <zsoc> if it's full sdl support, including menus and file pickers, than i'll definitely be quitting my job sooner than i expected
Jun 13 18:07:40 <emmbea> i'll give it a few nights
Jun 13 18:07:48 <emmbea> see where it goes
Jun 13 18:09:50 <zsoc> emmbea: it looks like it's just a/v out support. ie: someone would still need to develop a front end, but what exists now would do the magic of displaying synced audio/video using vlc+backend
Jun 13 18:10:22 <zsoc> and developing interfaces in SDL makes me want to remove my prostate with a toothpick
Jun 13 18:13:29 <emmbea> naive me thought the front-end could be a regular webos app
Jun 13 18:14:26 <zsoc> emmbea: that would be pretty painful, for a number of reasons. It's possible using multiple stages
Jun 13 18:14:40 <zsoc> emmbea: but currently the PDK doesn't support a hybrid app that uses both widgets and sdl display/overlay
Jun 13 18:14:55 <zsoc> although it's possible in the future it will be allowed, once hybrid app apis are finalized
Jun 13 18:15:32 <zsoc> Actually that's a good point, in theory one could do all the options and file picking in the mojo side of a hybrid app, and launch sdl stages through the plugin.. somehow... i mean the infrastructure is there already
Jun 13 18:16:29 <bpadalino> the hybrid stuff makes SDL a simple one way display thing, and handling all UI stuff on the mojo side .. kinda nice actually
Jun 13 18:17:23 <zsoc> bpadalino: the idea being kind of nice, or you can think of a way to do it?
Jun 13 18:17:35 <zsoc> Actually, there's nothing that says a hybrid app can't have more than 1 plugin.
Jun 13 18:17:41 <bpadalino> correct
Jun 13 18:18:13 <zsoc> First plugin being basically just ffmpeg as a command line, and the second plugin is the one you launch as stage 2 for video playback
Jun 13 18:18:49 <egaudet> why the need for 2
Jun 13 18:18:51 <bpadalino> you can push a scene with commandline parameters after selecting something
Jun 13 19:10:43 <sethron> good day. anyone know how an album named 'icons' with browser bookmark images would show in Photos?
Jun 13 19:11:33 <zsoc> sethron: there's probably a folder called 'icons' in your /media/internal
Jun 13 19:11:46 <zsoc> you could try changing it to .icons, but not sure how that would affect whatever software is using it
Jun 13 19:12:00 <sethron> zsoc: correct. not sure how it got there
Jun 13 19:12:19 <zsoc> sethron: some app probably installed it / uses that folder for stuff
Jun 13 19:12:25 <zsoc> poor programming habits imo
Jun 13 19:12:59 <sethron> hrm would it have anything do to with my Debian image?
Jun 13 19:14:57 <sethron> ah. i think i've found it.  saverestore\com.palm.app.launcher\20100612T204351-0700\icons
Jun 13 19:15:34 <sethron> must be my launcher bookmark prefs that saverestore ... saved.
Jun 13 19:18:24 <zsoc> looks that way :) you can just change the name of the folder from /icons to /.icons
Jun 13 19:18:31 <zsoc> that should fix it showing up in photos
Jun 13 19:18:39 <zsoc> er, after you restart the file indexer prolly
Jun 13 19:19:48 <sethron> zsoc: is restarting the file index what 'recsan' does in Luna Manager?
Jun 13 19:20:27 <zsoc> sethron: no
Jun 13 19:20:56 <zsoc> sethron: 'stop fileindexer; start fileindexer' from command line, otherwise just restart
Jun 13 19:21:22 <sethron> zsoc: ah, so, um, what does recan do in Luna Manager?
Jun 13 19:21:29 <sethron> s/rescan
Jun 13 19:21:32 <zsoc> sethron: breaks everything
Jun 13 19:21:36 <sethron> lol
Jun 13 19:21:38 <zsoc> sethron: it's actually a rescan for the launcher menu
Jun 13 19:21:48 <zsoc> like if you install a new app, the rescan makes the app 'appear' in the launcher
Jun 13 19:22:21 <sethron> zsoc: that seems anitquated now...
Jun 13 19:23:41 <zsoc> it basically is
Jun 13 19:25:36 <sethron> zsoc: tyvm
Jun 13 19:27:10 * sethron goes back to futzing with Debian on the Pre
Jun 13 19:28:07 <torchie> prebian
Jun 13 19:28:32 <ka6sox> sethron, what are you doing with it/
Jun 13 19:28:35 <ka6sox> ?
Jun 13 19:29:06 <sethron> ka6sox: ideally would like to get stellarium runnig
Jun 13 19:29:19 <ka6sox> oh right...I remember that
Jun 13 19:29:23 <ka6sox> what have you done so far?
Jun 13 19:30:50 <ka6sox> do you have a tarball or have debootstrap working on a pre?
Jun 13 19:31:34 <sethron> ka6sox: made a 1.5 GB Debiam image, mounted, chroot, apt-get update, apt-get install icewm, apt-get install lxde, apt-get install stellarium
Jun 13 19:31:55 <zsoc> what is stellarium?
Jun 13 19:32:04 <zsoc> ~google stellarium
Jun 13 19:32:05 <ka6sox> hmmm....too big an image to download as a starting place.
Jun 13 19:32:12 <sethron> ka6sox: can reproduce the original error that phil made awhile back: "Widget::setMinimumSize: (/QMessageBox) Negative sizes (-160,90) are not possible" when i attempt to run stellarium
Jun 13 19:32:16 <ka6sox> its a Planetarium
Jun 13 19:32:24 <ka6sox> program
Jun 13 19:32:28 <zsoc> Planetarium or Plantanarium?
Jun 13 19:32:32 <zsoc> Because the later is more fun ;)
Jun 13 19:32:35 <ka6sox> planetarium
Jun 13 19:32:38 <sethron> ka6sox: indeed, mac, win32, linux, and it seems arm devices, too
Jun 13 19:33:34 <ka6sox> sethron, you can now create a 2GB /media/ext3fs partion on a pre.
Jun 13 19:34:03 <sethron> ka6sox: orly? wiki link?
Jun 13 19:34:22 <ka6sox> I'm looking into either porting debootstrap/cdebootstrap or making a small (255MB) .tgz that I can use as a seed.
Jun 13 19:34:39 <ka6sox> sethron, meta-doctor latest release.
Jun 13 19:34:44 <sethron> ka6sox: fascinating
Jun 13 19:35:38 <ka6sox> sethron, I think I may just create a .tgz of a minimal Lenny from my beagleboard.
Jun 13 19:35:46 <sethron> ka6sox: still have not doctored, or replaced my kernal. just stock Sprint Pre
Jun 13 19:35:59 <ka6sox> okay
Jun 13 19:37:23 <ka6sox> its not as elegant as getting debootstrap working but a whole lot less deps.
Jun 13 19:38:52 <sethron> ka6sox: i'm just using 3 srcipts, 1st to mount, 2nd to chroot, then after i exit, another to umount. sometimes umount is not clean, but a restart kicks it.
Jun 13 19:39:33 <ka6sox> where are you mounting the chroot?
Jun 13 19:42:42 <sethron> ka6sox: /var/home/root | from wiki page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian
Jun 13 19:44:49 <sethron> ka6sox: i guess the answer is, mount -o loop /media/internal/debsmall.img /media/cf
Jun 13 19:45:39 <ka6sox> sethron, is that a lenny image?
Jun 13 19:46:34 <sethron> ka6sox: http://www.public.iastate.edu/%7Emdklein/debsmall.img.bz2  not really sure. apt-get thinks so
Jun 13 19:46:56 <sk1tt1sh> is this a good test: if [ "`md5sum $OLDJAR | cut -c1-32`" != "$MYJAR_md5sum"];
Jun 13 19:47:45 <ka6sox> sethron, okay then I can see how to use this.
Jun 13 19:48:12 <ka6sox> but I'll have to write a pre-inst that verifies that the /dev/store/ext3fs partiton is there first.
Jun 13 19:48:40 <sethron> ka6sox: holy dual boot?!?!?
Jun 13 19:49:01 <ka6sox> sethron, nope...just a chroot space.
Jun 13 19:49:04 <ka6sox> 2GB
Jun 13 19:49:41 <sethron> ka6sox: nice. is there a wiki page yet?
Jun 13 19:50:13 <ka6sox> sethron, rwhitby just got the new partitioning scheme in meta-doctor last night.
Jun 13 19:50:41 <ka6sox> now I'll look @ making a preware package that installs debian in that partition.
Jun 13 19:51:00 <sethron> ka6sox: wow, webos-internals crew is boundless :)
Jun 13 19:51:42 <ka6sox> I hope that several other chroots will be available for people to use.
Jun 13 19:52:36 <ka6sox> okay I know where to start.
Jun 13 19:52:51 <sethron> ka6sox: that would be fan frakin tastic !!, maybe some distro will be able to run stellarium
Jun 13 19:53:28 <ka6sox> 88MB is small enough to download during an install.
Jun 13 19:53:53 <ka6sox> and the tools necessary to bunzip it and mount it are there on the pre.
Jun 13 19:55:07 <sethron> ka6sox: somewhere in the forums ther is an advsory not to resize images in the Pre ...
Jun 13 19:55:44 <ka6sox> then move it over, bind mount proc,sys,dev, copy over networking info and off we go.
Jun 13 19:56:40 <ka6sox> sethron, I'm not going to...going to rsync it from one partition to another without copying /proc,/sys or /dev
Jun 13 20:00:10 <ka6sox> okay I'll manually do this and then write it up.
Jun 13 20:00:42 <sethron> ka6sox: mad skillz. tyvm
Jun 13 20:04:20 * sethron switches the vibrate slider with the power button held down a few times :)
Jun 13 20:04:21 <ka6sox> sethron, we did things like this about 5yrs ago on a nslu2
Jun 13 20:04:49 <ka6sox> this is a bit more complicated.
Jun 13 20:05:10 <ka6sox> bbiab...heading out
Jun 13 20:05:45 <sethron> ka6sox: i'm a slug, too. a UCSC graduate. :)
Jun 13 20:08:03 <ka6sox> go Banana Slugs!
Jun 13 20:08:55 <zsoc> ba.. na.. na?
Jun 13 20:10:17 <ka6sox> ya, slimey yellow slugs.
Jun 13 20:10:48 <ka6sox> zsoc, nslu2-linux.org's first native builder was called banana
Jun 13 20:11:16 <zsoc> ka6sox: nice
Jun 13 20:11:16 <ka6sox> it built things like perl (which as a testsuite)
Jun 13 20:11:34 <ka6sox> s/as/has
Jun 13 20:13:47 <ka6sox> ciao
Jun 13 20:14:23 <sethron> bee ay en ay en ey es
Jun 13 20:41:51 <jhowirc> so. wasn't there a way to make a bookmark a launch icon?
Jun 13 20:49:38 <jhowirc> nevermind. I think I figured it out
Jun 13 21:56:07 <Abyssul> where are feeds stored by Preware on the Pre?
Jun 13 21:58:52 <zsoc> where are they physically located?
Jun 13 21:58:54 <zsoc> or virtually?
Jun 13 21:59:02 <zsoc> or where are their configurations set on your device?
Jun 13 21:59:16 <Abyssul> on the device
Jun 13 21:59:40 <Abyssul> I wanted to check the integrity of the precentral-theme package on the Pre that Preware downloaded
Jun 13 22:00:02 <zsoc>  /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg
Jun 13 22:00:04 <Abyssul> thanks
Jun 13 22:00:06 <zsoc> i _think_
Jun 13 22:00:14 <zsoc> if not that it's very close
Jun 13 22:00:17 <Abyssul> yep
Jun 13 22:00:20 <Abyssul> thats it
Jun 13 22:00:26 <zsoc> cool
Jun 13 22:00:53 <Abyssul> hmm, thats the conf. Is there an actualy package somewhere?
Jun 13 22:01:53 <Abyssul> found it
Jun 13 23:25:59 <DrewPre> hey all, anyone here care to help me out with creating a C service. I have the code [I think] Just not clear on how to compile....missing glib.h,json.h, et al
Jun 13 23:27:20 <DrewPre> I guess I need help in setting up the compilation environment. I have the PDK installed
Jun 13 23:27:35 <DrewPre> I also have the lunaservice headers
Jun 13 23:28:25 <DrewPre> running XP here and when I used the buildit.cmd batch file in the PDK it complains about glib.h and json.h files missing
Jun 13 23:30:24 <DrewPre> anyone?
Jun 13 23:34:06 <zsoc> DrewPre: the problem i'd imagine is your host os
Jun 13 23:34:31 <zsoc> so one in -internals is going to be developing in windows, therefore no one can suggest ideas.
Jun 13 23:34:34 <zsoc> s/so/no/
Jun 13 23:34:34 <infobot> zsoc meant: no one in -internals is going to be developing in windows, therefore no one can suggest ideas.
Jun 13 23:35:24 <zsoc> DrewPre: i'd /imagine/ without knowing how buildit.cmd works, that your problem is in YOUR makefile and not the pdk stuff
Jun 13 23:42:51 <DrewPre> Buildit.cmd runs 'arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc' which I assume is a win32 cross compiler....it successfully compiles other visual C++ code. So I assumed if I include the appropriate header files it will compile the service I have built....but apparently I am missing something
Jun 13 23:45:29 <DrewPre> and I am not against developing in Ubuntu for example. I have a VM with it, I just don't know what I am doing there either. I am flexible if some one has the patience to instruct me.
Jun 13 23:46:18 <DrewPre> My ubuntu environment is setup according to the walkthrough at webos-internals.org
Jun 13 23:51:16 <DrewPre> zsoc, you still there?
Jun 13 23:52:21 <zsoc> a bit preoccupied
Jun 13 23:52:58 <zsoc> i don't know how to set up a makefile in windows, path wise
Jun 13 23:59:46 <DrewPre> I have an Ubuntu VM.
Jun 14 00:59:12 <babyburg> <3 Pre.
Jun 14 01:03:09 <ka6sox> Sethron: I'll know in about 10 minutes whether the idea of how to bootstrap debian lenny works.
Jun 14 01:14:31 <ka6sox> hiya jhowirc
Jun 14 01:14:42 <jhowirc> werd
Jun 14 01:15:04 <ka6sox> looking into methods to implement the cleaning (as I'm waiting for things to download)
Jun 14 01:15:13 <jhowirc> k
Jun 14 01:15:23 <jhowirc> I'm at the movies.
Jun 14 01:15:28 <jhowirc> =)
Jun 14 01:15:34 <ka6sox> kewl..whatcha seeing?
Jun 14 01:16:31 <jhowirc> shrek.
Jun 14 01:16:50 <ka6sox> oh fun, lemme know what you think of it.
Jun 14 01:17:21 <jhowirc> k
Jun 14 01:18:15 <jhowirc> I need to check this when I get home but was wondering if there was a way to reset time_in_state
Jun 14 01:18:36 <ka6sox> dunno...
Jun 14 01:19:55 <jhowirc> would be nice to have that feature inside govnah.
Jun 14 01:20:10 * jhowirc waits for oil to roll over
Jun 14 01:20:59 <xsism> is it possible to interface the IR sensor on the pre/pixi?
Jun 14 01:22:15 <ka6sox> jhowirc, ya...poor oil
Jun 14 01:22:34 <Kyusaku> the proximity sensor?
Jun 14 01:22:49 <ka6sox> xsism, I haven't looked but its probably already occupied.
Jun 14 01:23:21 <xsism> ok
Jun 14 01:23:44 <ka6sox> jhowirc, there are already methods for controlling the Governor settings.
Jun 14 01:23:54 <xsism> anyone know why this doesnt work: PDL_ServiceCall("palm://com.palm.applicationManager/open", "{target: \"tel://5550005555\"}");
Jun 14 01:24:17 <ka6sox> so if we can figure out the reset for the t-i-s file then we are golden.
Jun 14 01:26:07 <xsism> what governor?
Jun 14 01:26:09 <xsism> lol
Jun 14 01:26:44 <ka6sox> bunzip2 debsmall.img.bz2
Jun 14 01:27:11 <ka6sox> xsism, we are talking about the Govnah Application.
Jun 14 01:27:42 <xsism> which is?
Jun 14 01:27:46 <xsism> cpu temp app?
Jun 14 01:27:50 <xsism> from quick google
Jun 14 01:27:52 <xsism> ?
Jun 14 01:27:57 <ka6sox> among other things.
Jun 14 01:28:15 <ka6sox> controls speed and other things...and monitors the CPU.
Jun 14 01:28:16 <ka6sox> temp
Jun 14 01:28:27 <xsism> is it homebrew?
Jun 14 01:28:31 <ka6sox> yes
Jun 14 01:28:57 <ka6sox> it and the companion kernel for the pre called uberkernel allow you to have a lot of control.
Jun 14 01:29:20 <xsism> and still have phone calls?
Jun 14 01:29:34 <ka6sox> I hope so!
Jun 14 01:29:44 <xsism> ya heh
Jun 14 01:29:48 <ka6sox> nobody's complained about not being able to make phone calls yet.
Jun 14 01:30:04 <xsism> what about app catalog access?
Jun 14 01:30:22 <ka6sox> not part of this application.
Jun 14 01:30:57 <xsism> what software channel do you use?
Jun 14 01:30:59 <xsism> apt?
Jun 14 01:31:14 <ka6sox> preware or optware using ipkgs
Jun 14 01:33:35 <xsism> what is uberkernel based on?
Jun 14 01:33:54 <ka6sox> palm's stock kernel with mods.
Jun 14 01:34:13 <xsism> is it against any agreements to mod the kernel?
Jun 14 01:34:19 <oil> poor me?
Jun 14 01:34:20 <xsism> like carrier?
Jun 14 01:34:23 <ka6sox> checkout www.webos-internals.org
Jun 14 01:34:30 <ka6sox> xsism, its all GPL.
Jun 14 01:34:45 <ka6sox> (well the stuff we are hacking on is)
Jun 14 01:34:48 <xsism> ya iwas looking through the website
Jun 14 01:34:59 <ka6sox> oil, more changes to your interfaces :D
Jun 14 01:35:01 <xsism> well thats cool
Jun 14 01:35:04 <oil> lol
Jun 14 01:35:17 <ka6sox> govnah and syshealth
Jun 14 01:35:47 <ka6sox> oil, that won't be for a couple of days.
Jun 14 01:35:55 <oil> yeah
Jun 14 01:36:39 <halfhalo> wakkawakkawakka
Jun 14 01:37:01 <zsoc> I'm in an odd position. I usually hang around OSS folks, I don't even know what to say when someone calls GPL "roughly equivalant to running a magnent over your code"
Jun 14 01:37:02 <ka6sox> today I'm setting up widk on my office/dev machine and I'm about 90% of the way to getting debian chroot running in the new /dev/store/ext3fs 2GB partition.
Jun 14 01:38:31 <ka6sox> zsoc, just shake your head and walk away.
Jun 14 01:38:37 <bpadalino> code is not ferrous, so what would a magnet do ?
Jun 14 01:39:13 <ka6sox> bpadalino, probably analgous to the typical medium for the code to be residing on is magnetc.
Jun 14 01:39:17 <ka6sox> +i
Jun 14 01:39:43 <bpadalino> oh, weird .. all my embedded systems run code from flash :)
Jun 14 01:40:53 <ka6sox> okay...development machines.
Jun 14 01:40:53 <ka6sox> well..I can't say that either
Jun 14 01:40:53 <ka6sox> the beagleboard uses an SD.
Jun 14 01:41:13 <bpadalino> heh
Jun 14 01:41:56 <ka6sox> w00t! works.
Jun 14 01:42:12 <bpadalino> ^5
Jun 14 01:42:33 <ka6sox> 1.6gb free for apps and stuff.
Jun 14 01:43:22 <ka6sox> too bad enlightenment uses right click
Jun 14 01:43:39 <ka6sox> and I'm no fan of xfce....so what does that leave?
Jun 14 01:47:02 <ka6sox> 2.0G    262.4M      1.7G  13% /media/ext3fs
Jun 14 01:49:23 <bpadalino> base debian install with x is 262MB ?
Jun 14 01:49:33 <ka6sox> no x yet
Jun 14 01:49:42 <bpadalino> ah
Jun 14 01:50:02 <ka6sox> I'm going to get together with dtzWill and work out what we need.
Jun 14 01:50:52 <ka6sox> I'm going to test the script that I just wrote and do it again several times.
Jun 14 01:53:43 <ka6sox> to make sure that it always works.
Jun 14 01:55:23 <ka6sox> single threaded/single user/single app computers are useless. (unless they are deeply embedded)
Jun 14 01:56:54 <oc80z> hey. whats good?
Jun 14 01:58:04 <ka6sox> things are happening.
Jun 14 02:03:41 * ka6sox shoots xen
Jun 14 02:09:20 <PuffTheMagic> can i slap a .defer() onto any js function?
Jun 14 02:16:53 <ka6sox> mount -o bind /proc /media/ext3fs/proc
Jun 14 02:19:52 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic,  this same methodology should work for a stage 3 as well.
Jun 14 02:22:52 <ka6sox> or a minimum FC too.
Jun 14 02:23:07 <ka6sox> whats the latest stable FC?
Jun 14 02:29:21 <ka6sox> Sethron, it works. and my script works too.
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