**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 15 02:59:57 2010
Jun 15 03:02:08 <sk1tt1sh> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html would this work for a key for signing with ipkg-build?
Jun 15 03:10:28 <ka6sox> dtzWill, so now I need some testers to make sure that what I did yesterday with the ext3fs setup doesnt' mess up other things.
Jun 15 03:11:34 <dtzWill> ka6sox: i'd be happy to give it a whirl tomorrow or so, exhausted from traveling today x.x
Jun 15 03:15:14 <Kyutwo> hmmmm
Jun 15 03:16:49 <Kyusaku> these commands that rod posted to enable compcache don't work
Jun 15 03:17:26 <rwhitby> they are intentionally not complete
Jun 15 03:17:46 <rwhitby> it's an "expert alpha tester" test :)
Jun 15 03:18:03 <Kyusaku> =)
Jun 15 03:19:34 <zsoc> i find looking at error messages helps
Jun 15 03:20:22 <Kyusaku> oh I know what the problem is
Jun 15 03:20:58 <ka6sox> -37 works but I need to set the RAM...
Jun 15 03:21:02 * ka6sox looks
Jun 15 03:24:28 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox: you shouldnt need to set the ram
Jun 15 03:24:56 <ka6sox> 15% vs 20MB? (10%)?
Jun 15 03:25:12 <Tman_mac> when using OpenGL, can you use SDL to draw, say, text on top of the OpenGL canvas?
Jun 15 03:25:14 <rwhitby> ok, let's see what happens with swap is being used and someone tries to turn off compcache from govnah :)
Jun 15 03:25:48 <uNiXpSyChO> Oops: Kernel access of bad area, sig: 11
Jun 15 03:26:16 <ka6sox> rwhitby, if the real ram < the real size of the /dev/ramswapz then you are golden.
Jun 15 03:26:39 <ka6sox> it its bigger then you have to push it out into /dev/store/swap
Jun 15 03:26:44 <rwhitby> ka6sox: I have no real ram free  - this is a destructive test :)
Jun 15 03:26:48 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox: 15% wasnt bad for me.. the CPU will work harder tho depending on if you are running 20 cards
Jun 15 03:27:00 <rwhitby> 2010-06-15T03:26:33.047210Z [38305] palm-webos-device kern.err kernel: [38296.850000] Out of memory: kill process 5151 (swapoff) score -1 or a child
Jun 15 03:27:01 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, I was running 30 cards.
Jun 15 03:27:20 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox: the ramzswap module will flush it to /dev/store/swap for you
Jun 15 03:27:44 <Tman_mac> experimenting with swap are we? I thought I saw an existing swap on the pre.. is there?
Jun 15 03:27:55 <rwhitby> yes
Jun 15 03:27:57 <ka6sox> oh then as long as its not full /dev/store/swap then its good...otherwies the oomkiller is happening.
Jun 15 03:28:08 <uNiXpSyChO> oomkiller is disabled
Jun 15 03:28:18 <uNiXpSyChO> i think... at least in my builds
Jun 15 03:28:19 <ka6sox> ha ha ha
Jun 15 03:28:37 <Tman_mac> rwhitby: we're just expanding it?
Jun 15 03:28:47 <ka6sox> Tman_mac, compcache
Jun 15 03:28:52 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: palm have their own oom late helper
Jun 15 03:28:54 <uNiXpSyChO> i had 48 cards opned last night and the Pre just went to a crawl... but didnt stop.
Jun 15 03:29:14 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: oh.  i must have missed that.
Jun 15 03:29:27 <ka6sox> I maxed out at 32 with 3 games + browser + video player.
Jun 15 03:29:51 <Tman_mac> ka6sox: i'll read up on it
Jun 15 03:29:52 <ka6sox> but I still had 1/2 the /dev/store/swap available.
Jun 15 03:30:12 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: /etc/event.d/memchute
Jun 15 03:30:21 <rwhitby>     echo "0,100,114,120" > /sys/module/lowmemnotify/parameters/thresholds_enter
Jun 15 03:30:21 <rwhitby>     echo "0,94,108,112" > /sys/module/lowmemnotify/parameters/thresholds_leave
Jun 15 03:30:21 <rwhitby>     echo "/usr/sbin/oom_late_helper" > /proc/sys/vm/oom_late_helper
Jun 15 03:30:49 <Tman_mac> so compcache alone is enabling people to have 30+ cards open?
Jun 15 03:30:49 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: i was wondering what was setting those values!
Jun 15 03:31:20 <rwhitby> Tman_mac: well, that and disabling the way-too-conservative lowmemnotify
Jun 15 03:31:27 <uNiXpSyChO> Tman_mac: not really.  but it helps add more swap for more apps running
Jun 15 03:31:29 <ka6sox> Tman_mac, ya, but eventually you do run out.
Jun 15 03:32:06 <Tman_mac> cool
Jun 15 03:32:07 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: so oom kills the "swapoff -a" command nicely :)
Jun 15 03:32:12 <ka6sox> 20MB compcache + 128MB of /dev/store/swap
Jun 15 03:32:15 <uNiXpSyChO> HAHAHAHAHA
Jun 15 03:32:43 <ka6sox> bbiaf
Jun 15 03:32:51 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: and everything else just keeps going.  an elegant solution to trying to disable compcache when you've got three 3D games running
Jun 15 03:32:55 <uNiXpSyChO> in theory swapping to RAM will save battery instead of writing to flash
Jun 15 03:33:05 <rwhitby> absolutely
Jun 15 03:33:58 <rwhitby> so, having a non-working GSM comms board in the device really kills the battery :(
Jun 15 03:34:16 <rwhitby> will need to swap it out for a working (but not in this country) CDMA comms board
Jun 15 03:34:24 <uNiXpSyChO> couldnt you just disable the GSM radio?
Jun 15 03:34:34 <halfhalo> That sounds like way to much effort...
Jun 15 03:34:45 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: you need to be able to talk to the modem before you can do that.  modem is not responding to kernel.
Jun 15 03:34:51 <uNiXpSyChO> oh
Jun 15 03:35:35 <rwhitby> halfhalo: it's an unlocked GSM qwerty keyboard device.  those are few and far between
Jun 15 03:36:18 <rwhitby> once my Pre Plus arrives, I'll put the GSM comms board from my current Pre into it to get a second working unlocked GSM qwerty device
Jun 15 03:36:23 <halfhalo> ATT retail + unlock would work wouldn't it
Jun 15 03:36:32 <rwhitby> halfhalo: wrong bands for .au
Jun 15 03:36:47 <halfhalo> excuses! :p
Jun 15 03:36:54 <Tman_mac> when using OpenGL, can you use SDL to draw, say, text on top of the OpenGL canvas?
Jun 15 03:49:32 <eieio> that would be no
Jun 15 03:50:36 <eieio> i'm not aware of any arch that supports that sort of thing with a GL surface
Jun 15 03:51:29 <zsoc> Tman_mac: maybe I misunderstand your question, but I think vba does that?
Jun 15 03:52:41 <dtzWill> Tman_mac: not really. what you can do is create a texture and write what you want to it and render it to a gl surface that covers the entire screen
Jun 15 03:52:50 <zsoc> Hm...
Jun 15 03:53:00 <zsoc> dtzWill: your answer was 2 to 3 thousand times more efficient than mine.
Jun 15 03:53:06 <Tman_mac> lol
Jun 15 03:53:10 <dtzWill> zsoc: that's what i do in vba :)
Jun 15 03:53:37 * rwhitby closes hawx, nova and nfsuc to see if that allows swapoff -a to work
Jun 15 03:53:37 <Tman_mac> dtzWill: okay so text to texture, texture to opengl to screen?
Jun 15 03:53:56 <zsoc> right, the old custom texture that i constantly write to rendered to a gl surface trick
Jun 15 03:54:07 <dtzWill> with some clever formatting of sdl_surface yuo might be able to get something like sdl_ttf or w/e to render into someting that gl can work with easily
Jun 15 03:54:27 <dtzWill> Tman_mac: that's the idea yep
Jun 15 03:54:38 <rwhitby> ka6sox: yep, linux dumps the used swap into real mem if you have enough free
Jun 15 03:54:50 <rwhitby> so govnah enabling and disabling compcache is a go
Jun 15 03:55:06 <uNiXpSyChO> *if* you have free ram
Jun 15 03:55:06 <Tman_mac> yikes.. then I would have to write a -second- opengl program to use in my app.. this is all very much for a gl newb ;)
Jun 15 03:55:18 <zsoc> I just had someone tell me there's no way I could know that an app is cross compiling from x86 to arm because of compiler dependent data representations called "byte scrobbles"
Jun 15 03:56:04 <zsoc> apparently 'byte scrobbling' is a term regularly used by people in the industry.
Jun 15 03:56:14 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: yeah, govnah can see that the swapoff command got killed, and give a TMC error :)
Jun 15 03:56:21 <eieio> what?
Jun 15 03:56:39 <Tman_mac> first i have to figure out why this program that's simply supposed to draw some simple lines is somehow making the left and right sides of the screen mirror images of each other...
Jun 15 03:56:47 <eieio> i've never heard of byte scrobbling
Jun 15 03:57:17 <zsoc> eieio: well neither has google, so I figure I'll spout it in a few logged chats, so the next time he trys to convince someone it's a real thing they will see me laughing at him when they google it.
Jun 15 03:57:39 * uNiXpSyChO always misses the action due to rwhitby being in a diff timezone.  need sleep now
Jun 15 03:57:40 <Tman_mac> lol
Jun 15 03:57:46 <rwhitby> zsoc: byte swapping is a common term, not byte scrobbling.
Jun 15 03:58:26 <zsoc> rwhitby: byte swapping, as in endian?
Jun 15 03:58:32 <rwhitby> zsoc: yeah
Jun 15 03:58:43 <zsoc> armv8 is mid-endian anyway, no? I don't think that would effect much in this case.
Jun 15 03:58:45 <rwhitby> scrobbling is a last.fm term
Jun 15 03:58:52 <zsoc> rwhitby: that's what made me laugh so hard.
Jun 15 03:59:25 <zsoc> er, s/mid-endian/bi-endian/
Jun 15 04:01:39 <ka6sox> rwhitby, we need make sure that real ram free + /dev/store/swap are big enough to handle the real size then we are oaky
Jun 15 04:02:01 <rwhitby> ka6sox: I'm just going to let the oom killer kill the swapoff command
Jun 15 04:02:14 <ka6sox> that'll do it.
Jun 15 04:02:23 <ka6sox> UBE
Jun 15 04:02:27 <rwhitby> report that back to govnah and let the user deal with it
Jun 15 04:02:37 <ka6sox> will it give TMC then?
Jun 15 04:02:56 <rwhitby> no, we'll start with a cryptic linux error message to scare people ...
Jun 15 04:03:18 <ka6sox> FATAL ERROR :#OE
Jun 15 04:03:23 <ka6sox> oh wait...thats already in use.
Jun 15 04:04:09 <ka6sox> oil's gonna be busy!
Jun 15 04:04:51 <uNiXpSyChO> i feel guilty now
Jun 15 04:05:29 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: what about?
Jun 15 04:05:35 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, why..you are providing the service that a Leader does :D
Jun 15 04:06:19 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: adding all these new features.  oil will frown at me :D
Jun 15 04:06:21 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: yeah, you're a Forum Leader now, so you have to always be nice in your forum posts :)
Jun 15 04:06:37 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: oil's probably gonna make me implement most of them
Jun 15 04:07:15 <rwhitby> ok, time to meta-doctor virtura.pre and install a clean -37 for testing
Jun 15 04:07:15 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: its hard to be nice to some users when they dont read ;P
Jun 15 04:07:32 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: that's why I declined the nomination :)
Jun 15 04:07:36 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Jun 15 04:09:31 <rwhitby> PreCentral has a new 1.4.5 rumour up.
Jun 15 04:10:46 <MerlinMM> anyone active here?
Jun 15 04:11:29 <MerlinMM> Major webos-internals bug just screwed me and trying to recover I hit another one.
Jun 15 04:11:44 <MerlinMM> anyone?
Jun 15 04:12:01 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: we're just waiting for you to state what it is ...
Jun 15 04:12:12 <MerlinMM> Ah.
Jun 15 04:12:34 <MerlinMM> so java restart + launched App catalog = palm profile erasure.
Jun 15 04:12:39 <MerlinMM> BAD!
Jun 15 04:12:54 <rwhitby> is it repeatable?
Jun 15 04:13:05 <MerlinMM> Kernel + patches still installed but /media/cryptofs wiped.
Jun 15 04:13:18 <rwhitby> yep a palm profile reset will do that
Jun 15 04:13:19 <MerlinMM> repeatable: I'm not about to test...
Jun 15 04:13:36 <rwhitby> why not?  you're profile is already erased
Jun 15 04:13:41 <MerlinMM> how do I fix state of patches in preware?
Jun 15 04:14:01 <MerlinMM> because I've already spent a few hours restoring my state.
Jun 15 04:14:16 <rwhitby> if you don't test whether it's repeatable or not, then it cannot be diagnosed or fixed if it really is a webos-internals bug
Jun 15 04:14:35 <MerlinMM> I'm trying "Emergency File Verification"
Jun 15 04:14:52 <rwhitby> so, about testing whether it is repeatable or not ...
Jun 15 04:14:57 <MerlinMM> So you test it. ;-)
Jun 15 04:15:11 <halfhalo> if we could, we would
Jun 15 04:15:16 <rwhitby> it's never happened to me, and I do java restarts and app catalogs all the time
Jun 15 04:15:43 <MerlinMM> really?  launch app catalog DURING a java restart?
Jun 15 04:16:06 <MerlinMM> daghter calling.  I'll be back.
Jun 15 04:16:16 <rwhitby> see, there's a little bit of detail that you left out of your initial bug report
Jun 15 04:17:31 <MerlinMM> if I'd been filing a bug report on bugzilla or something I would have included.  this is a chat hannel so...
Jun 15 04:18:04 <ka6sox> MerlinMM, that little detail makes *all* the difference.
Jun 15 04:18:59 <MerlinMM> get over it.  yes it does, I assumed you'd infer the detail from the fact that we've all restarted java then launched the ap catalog numerous times... moving on.
Jun 15 04:19:14 * halfhalo never has
Jun 15 04:19:41 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: no need to get huffy about it ...
Jun 15 04:20:13 <MerlinMM> sorry Rod it's late I'm tired and jet lagged and my phone justgot f'ed..
Jun 15 04:20:21 <rwhitby> fair enough.
Jun 15 04:20:55 <rwhitby> basically, your OS has modified files, and the ipkg database which says which patches did the modifications has been wiped
Jun 15 04:21:00 <MerlinMM> anyway the current issue: EFV won't do it's thing if you have AUPT-3 patches (this seems to be the case)
Jun 15 04:21:53 <rwhitby> did it wipe all your /var and /media/internal data as well, or just cryptofs?
Jun 15 04:22:25 <rwhitby> egaudet: you around?
Jun 15 04:22:38 <MerlinMM> I have 2 that depend on each other and can't do the "install...seems to be installed already...remove...install" process because the one with the dependency won't let me install it.
Jun 15 04:22:51 <MerlinMM> not sure about /var.
Jun 15 04:23:29 <rwhitby> what if you install the dependency first?
Jun 15 04:23:42 <rwhitby> what about /media/internal
Jun 15 04:23:56 <MerlinMM> fails due to hunks that don't work due to the 2nd patch.
Jun 15 04:24:20 <MerlinMM> thank god.. had vacation pics/movies.
Jun 15 04:24:49 <rwhitby> what app did the java restart, BTW?
Jun 15 04:24:51 <egaudet> rwhitby, yeah what's up
Jun 15 04:25:08 <MerlinMM> An additional option (ignore dependencies) in Preware would fix the issue I think.
Jun 15 04:25:25 <MerlinMM> Preware did restart.
Jun 15 04:25:27 <rwhitby> egaudet: MerlinMM has had a profile reset wipe cryptofs and is trying to reinstall patches that are already applied and has a dependency case
Jun 15 04:25:43 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: which app were you installing which caused the java restart?
Jun 15 04:26:23 <MerlinMM> I'm just trying to restore state of installed patches accurately (without a Dr.).
Jun 15 04:26:34 <egaudet> if the patch is applied it should install cleanly from preware
Jun 15 04:26:40 <MerlinMM> I have over a hundred so...
Jun 15 04:26:56 <rwhitby> egaudet: seems to be an order dependent chunk conflict
Jun 15 04:27:16 <egaudet> hmm
Jun 15 04:27:26 <MerlinMM> egaudet: not if it has another patch dependent on it which modifies the same files so it doesn't recognize itself as installed.
Jun 15 04:27:33 <egaudet> command line --force-depends it
Jun 15 04:27:55 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: so we've got two patches, one dependent on the other, which do conflicting changes to the same file?
Jun 15 04:28:01 <MerlinMM> ah. thanks.  I've tried "flag installed".
Jun 15 04:28:10 <egaudet> MerlinMM, right but it has to modify the context that the dependent patch contains in it's unified diff
Jun 15 04:28:18 <MerlinMM> Yes.  I believe.  Have not examined patch source.
Jun 15 04:28:26 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: which two patches?
Jun 15 04:28:52 <egaudet> the issue I can see is if patch A changes something that is in the 3 context lines before/after of some hunk in patch B
Jun 15 04:29:04 <MerlinMM> top-bar-device-menu-megamix
Jun 15 04:29:12 <egaudet> then patch B's context is off while A is applied and thus thinks things aren't right
Jun 15 04:29:30 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: and the second patch?
Jun 15 04:29:45 <MerlinMM> and ditto-with-media-volume-control
Jun 15 04:30:18 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 15 04:30:46 <MerlinMM> egaudet: sounds reasonable to me.
Jun 15 04:30:56 <MerlinMM> what's "bbl"
Jun 15 04:31:05 <egaudet> be back later
Jun 15 04:31:09 <MerlinMM> off for a sec.  be back
Jun 15 04:31:18 <beelzabub> much more efficient than just saying it
Jun 15 04:31:22 <beelzabub> clearly
Jun 15 04:35:26 <MerlinMM> ah, I see.  so egaudet is here and rwhitby will bbl, right?
Jun 15 04:35:58 <MerlinMM> what's the thing to do an action again?
Jun 15 04:37:13 <Tibfib> "/me"
Jun 15 04:37:52 <egaudet> right
Jun 15 04:37:56 * MerlinMM is enlightened.
Jun 15 04:38:05 * ka6sox goes off to set up more pygrub stuff on xen
Jun 15 04:38:10 <egaudet> MerlinMM, so are you able to command line?
Jun 15 04:38:28 <egaudet> actually
Jun 15 04:39:13 <MerlinMM> yes.  ugly though.  no ssh yet so just terminal.  works though.
Jun 15 04:39:37 <MerlinMM> I have downloaded relevant ipk files.
Jun 15 04:39:43 <egaudet> MerlinMM, have you tried Emergency Patch Installer?
Jun 15 04:40:46 <MerlinMM> I thought about it but I don't want them installed just recognized so I thought Emergency File Verification but...
Jun 15 04:44:39 <egaudet> well EPI will "install" the package data for the patches that it "believes" are applied based on the patch control dir in /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches
Jun 15 04:45:22 <egaudet> it should just make all your applied patches recognized as installed by preware
Jun 15 04:47:10 <MerlinMM> hmm.
Jun 15 04:47:25 * MerlinMM was away - back now
Jun 15 04:47:39 <MerlinMM> let me check that file.
Jun 15 04:49:29 <MerlinMM> sorry directory not file.  it only has the freshly installed stuff..
Jun 15 04:49:42 <MerlinMM> I have a backup of it on PC so...
Jun 15 04:50:38 <egaudet> how many patches do you have installed currently
Jun 15 04:51:39 <MerlinMM> egaudet: won't that still fail on the install of the first of the 2 patches?
Jun 15 04:52:13 <MerlinMM> you mean that it thinks I have installed or that are currently applied to javascript source?
Jun 15 04:53:04 <MerlinMM> first number is about 4 or 6, latter is over 100.
Jun 15 04:53:25 <egaudet> OK, are those 4 or 6 also contained in your backup .webosinternals.patches/ ?
Jun 15 04:53:36 <MerlinMM> should be.
Jun 15 04:53:59 <MerlinMM> I can check and remove if not.
Jun 15 04:54:07 <egaudet> yeah
Jun 15 04:54:20 <MerlinMM> again though won't I see same failure?
Jun 15 04:54:23 <egaudet> and then throw the backup on and install Emergency Patch Installer.  that should get you all the package info back
Jun 15 04:54:33 <egaudet> you shouldn't because no postinst will run
Jun 15 04:54:39 <egaudet> so dependencies won't fail
Jun 15 04:54:47 <MerlinMM> ah ha.
Jun 15 04:54:52 <MerlinMM> OK.
Jun 15 04:55:25 <ChickenMan> Anyone with webos SDK/Ares knowledge wanna help out a newbie
Jun 15 04:56:05 <MerlinMM> egaudet: will try tomorrow.  email Merlin at sent.com with address if you want update on whether it works or not.
Jun 15 04:56:34 <MerlinMM> egaudet: Thanks.
Jun 15 04:57:25 <MerlinMM> egaudet: one more question: what about kernel?  how do I get Preware to know I have Uberkernel instaled?
Jun 15 04:58:19 <egaudet> let me look at that hold on
Jun 15 04:59:46 * MerlinMM holding on
Jun 15 05:00:13 <egaudet> that'll probably need a manual command line install
Jun 15 05:00:51 <egaudet> ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install <uber_packgeid>
Jun 15 05:00:54 <MerlinMM> egaudet: fine.  what's cammand to set package to installed?  I tried "flag installed".
Jun 15 05:02:23 * MerlinMM feels silly he took so long to type question he didn't notice answer.
Jun 15 05:04:49 <MerlinMM> egaudet: so install won't mess up existing state?
Jun 15 05:07:57 <egaudet> not if you know it's already really installed
Jun 15 05:08:11 <egaudet> and you just are missing the package data
Jun 15 05:08:11 <MerlinMM> Govnah works so...
Jun 15 05:08:16 <egaudet> so yeah
Jun 15 05:08:58 <MerlinMM> have to add feed first or something?  uber doesn't show is ipkg -o ... list
Jun 15 05:09:30 <MerlinMM> s/is/in/
Jun 15 05:09:30 <infobot> MerlinMM meant: have to add feed first or something?  uber doesn't show in ipkg -o ... list
Jun 15 05:11:10 <ChickenMan> Can anyone help me make my app play a video by itself and not by opening the video player app
Jun 15 05:14:51 * MerlinMM will just find .ipk file.
Jun 15 05:14:54 <egaudet> MerlinMM, do you have the webos-kernels feed enabled in preware
Jun 15 05:18:12 <MerlinMM> yep
Jun 15 05:26:13 <MerlinMM> what about "Emergency Service Enabler"?
Jun 15 05:28:21 <MerlinMM> that must get patch info from /media/internal somewhere right?
Jun 15 05:34:01 * bhuey wonders what's in the 1.4.5 release that's coming out
Jun 15 05:36:34 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: emergency service enabler just re-runs all the postinst files
Jun 15 05:40:34 <MerlinMM> rwhitby: huh? how does that reinstall patches?
Jun 15 05:40:51 <MerlinMM> 1.4.5: when?
Jun 15 05:41:01 <rwhitby> patches are installed by the postinst script
Jun 15 05:41:16 <MerlinMM> ah.
Jun 15 05:41:49 <MerlinMM> oh right "install" just installed patch files as package.
Jun 15 05:42:02 <MerlinMM> s/installed/installs/
Jun 15 05:42:04 <infobot> MerlinMM meant: oh right "install" just installs patch files as package.
Jun 15 05:42:37 <MerlinMM> rwhitby: where does ESE get it's list of patches?
Jun 15 05:42:46 <Robi_>  USA vs. England in LEGOs [video] http://u.nu/4syvb < awesome shame!
Jun 15 05:43:07 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: ESE doesn't know about patches.  it only knows about packages, and it gets the package list from the normal plcae
Jun 15 05:43:21 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info
Jun 15 05:43:38 <rwhitby> To ESE, a patch is just another package with a postinst script
Jun 15 05:43:40 <MerlinMM> which for me is wiped...
Jun 15 05:44:44 <MerlinMM> sounds like I should get ssh up and running and just do a manual restore from my rsync backup.  ugh.  sigh.
Jun 15 05:46:20 <MerlinMM> can save/restore help me?  I have a fairly recent Preware save.
Jun 15 05:50:42 <rwhitby> that will try and reinstall the patches with deps
Jun 15 05:52:24 <MerlinMM> save/restore will?  ah Preware if I tell it to restore from restored "saved package" list.  no way to edit?
Jun 15 05:52:42 <egaudet> MerlinMM, I thought you were going to do the backup of .webosinternals.patches dir?
Jun 15 05:52:43 <MerlinMM> is it a txt file somewhere?
Jun 15 05:53:15 <rwhitby> MerlinMM: you can swipe to delete packages from preware's saved package list
Jun 15 05:53:31 <MerlinMM> egaudet: trying to come up with solution from device without PC...
Jun 15 05:54:06 <MerlinMM> rwhitby: ahhh... that should let me fix all but 2 troublesome ones...
Jun 15 05:54:10 <egaudet> MerlinMM, one by one install from preware
Jun 15 05:54:39 <egaudet> or yeah what rwhitby said
Jun 15 05:56:04 <MerlinMM> hmm.
Jun 15 06:03:01 <MerlinMM> trying "install all" after a "saved package list" restore.  seems to be working (awesome Rod,just awesome).
Jun 15 06:03:14 * MerlinMM is going to sleep.
Jun 15 13:48:01 * rwhitby adds compcache control to Govnah ...
Jun 15 14:04:42 <rwhitby> Govnah 0.4.3 in the alpha testing feed, with initial compcache control.
Jun 15 15:48:05 <Ka6sox-mobile> morning
Jun 15 15:48:18 * halfhalo grumbles
Jun 15 15:48:25 <Ka6sox-mobile> heh
Jun 15 15:48:31 <halfhalo> The ONE day I needed the netbook someone takes it
Jun 15 15:48:53 <halfhalo> fffff
Jun 15 15:49:14 <halfhalo> Time to pack up my cameras
Jun 15 16:05:22 <vibol> rwhitby: how do i add the testing feed to preware?
Jun 15 16:12:43 <dtzWill> ~testing-feed
Jun 15 16:12:44 <infobot> [testing-feed] a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Jun 15 16:12:52 <vibol> dtzWill: ty
Jun 15 16:13:33 <dtzWill> ~botsnack
Jun 15 16:13:33 <infobot> thanks, dtzWill
Jun 15 16:13:39 <halfhalo> E3 vids: http://qik.com/video/7733486
Jun 15 16:13:45 <halfhalo> Yes, I am the crazy guy
Jun 15 17:05:31 <HebrewzHammer> ~botsnack
Jun 15 17:05:31 <infobot> :), HebrewzHammer
Jun 15 17:05:40 <HebrewzHammer> lol, that freakin halarious
Jun 15 17:05:49 <Mousey> ~asl
Jun 15 17:05:50 <infobot> Old enough, yes please, my place.
Jun 15 17:06:06 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jun 15 17:06:56 <HebrewzHammer> the fact that someone used the bot and then gave it a snack is freakin funny
Jun 15 17:08:13 <mumbles> anyone use smoothwall here?
Jun 15 17:08:23 <mumbles> and have you gotten ipv6 dhcp working?
Jun 15 17:17:38 <Rick_work> does webos even SUPPORT ipv6???
Jun 15 17:19:21 <mumbles> no idea
Jun 15 17:19:30 <mumbles> would be nice to think it has
Jun 15 17:25:48 <Rick_work> I profoundly doubt it.  It's not in the specs.
Jun 15 17:25:51 <Simpson_2> hi all
Jun 15 17:26:14 <Simpson_2> the topic says what not to discuss....
Jun 15 17:26:14 <Rick_work> hi
Jun 15 17:26:28 <Simpson_2> so everything else goes ??
Jun 15 17:26:39 <Rick_work> as long as it's webos related.
Jun 15 17:27:31 <Simpson_2> so questions about alternative Ical accounts in synergy fits I guess :)
Jun 15 17:28:33 <Rick_work> yes, but it's probably better off in #webos instead of internals, but perhaps not.
Jun 15 17:28:56 <Simpson_2> there is no answer on that in #webos ;)
Jun 15 17:29:11 <Rick_work> then it becomes a research project.
Jun 15 17:29:17 <Simpson_2> and my experience with using Lotus Notes as EAS provider ?
Jun 15 17:29:34 <Rick_work> you're wanting your calendar to subscribe to misc ical's other than google?
Jun 15 17:29:47 <Simpson_2> ack
Jun 15 17:31:24 <Simpson_2> next thing would be writting a provide myself
Jun 15 17:31:50 <Rick_work> well, you're gong to have to patch the calendar code, and to the best of my knowledge, no one has done that patch.
Jun 15 17:33:39 <Simpson_2> okay
Jun 15 17:33:46 <Simpson_2> thats what I wanna be sure of ;)
Jun 15 17:34:13 <Simpson_2> I almost started to develop a Lotus Notes connection until I figured out I could use Lotus Notes Traveler for that
Jun 15 17:37:20 <vibol> hey guys, which kernel is compatible with the latest govnah w/compcache/mem controls?
Jun 15 17:37:31 <Rick_work> Simpson_2  you COULD use missing_sync.....
Jun 15 17:39:11 <Rick_work> on the otherhand, if you write an ical sync patch, you will be a freaking hero.....
Jun 15 17:39:22 <mumbles> cant find anything about ipv6 and smoothwall :(
Jun 15 17:40:02 <Simpson_2> Rick_work, missing_sync....
Jun 15 17:40:11 <Simpson_2> I'm a hero in daily live :P
Jun 15 17:40:20 <Simpson_2> I'd rather be efficient in my spare time
Jun 15 17:41:13 * mumbles wishes somoene would put the all messaging patch on preware
Jun 15 17:43:19 <Rick_work> mumbles - ipv6 is not in the standard kernel.  You could ask the uber-kernel people to compile it in for you.
Jun 15 17:43:36 <mumbles> Rick_work:  not a problem here
Jun 15 17:44:00 <mumbles> but it will  probably end up being one fairly soon
Jun 15 17:44:02 <Rick_work> mumbles  you might look at this thread tho:  http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/242551-ipv6-support-via-kmod.html
Jun 15 17:44:28 <mumbles> if that works i would have to get my smoothwall to do dhcp ipv6
Jun 15 17:45:28 <Rick_work> thing is, it looks like for MANY carriers you will have to adjust the kernel so that IPV6 is available ONLY to the wifi, not the cell modem.
Jun 15 17:46:10 <mumbles> yeh,
Jun 15 17:46:20 <mumbles> my hacking skills arent that good
Jun 15 17:46:37 <Rick_work> which makes the programming trickier.... so if I was you I would contact the uber-kernel people and chat with them.
Jun 15 17:49:38 <mumbles> havent got ipv6 working on my network yet anyway
Jun 15 18:02:00 <MetaView> hi
Jun 15 18:02:31 <Simpson_2> are there people from the bay area here ??
Jun 15 18:19:15 <swisstomcat> evening
Jun 15 18:19:20 <ka6sox-work> morning!
Jun 15 18:19:39 <swisstomcat> what now? :)
Jun 15 18:19:48 <ka6sox-work> mebbe today I will see the pixis!
Jun 15 18:25:03 <Jmenbalek> hi every body
Jun 15 18:25:17 <Jmenbalek> i have a little problem with meta doctor , people for help me ? please
Jun 15 18:27:40 <swisstomcat> what kind of problems?
Jun 15 18:29:54 <ka6sox-work> swisstomcat, tommorrow :(
Jun 15 18:30:15 <swisstomcat> cool
Jun 15 18:30:20 <swisstomcat> more than one?
Jun 15 18:30:51 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 15 18:31:29 <Jmenbalek> when meta doctor run , the setup of the patched rom stop at 82% and after nothing ...
Jun 15 18:31:45 <beelzabub> Simpson_2 - me
Jun 15 18:33:12 <DoMC> morning
Jun 15 18:33:16 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 15 18:33:31 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: more details? device? webos version? etc.
Jun 15 18:33:51 <Jmenbalek> i have a limited and bad english
Jun 15 18:33:55 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 15 18:34:10 <DoMC> i need some assistance.. i wrote a simple espeak service in java, and would like to know how to distribute it
Jun 15 18:34:39 <Jmenbalek> palm pre plus , 1.4.1 , sorry but i'm a noob in webos :(
Jun 15 18:34:46 <Jmenbalek> version sfr
Jun 15 18:34:48 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: maybe we can ask warpdesign to translate some stuff
Jun 15 18:36:08 <MetaView> DoMC: cool
Jun 15 18:36:26 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: you downloaded the webosdoctor for sfr 1.4.1 and then built the new jar with make all-sfr?
Jun 15 18:36:52 <Jmenbalek> yes
Jun 15 18:37:42 <swisstomcat> did you try with the standard 1.4.1 webosdoctor?
Jun 15 18:37:55 <swisstomcat> just to see if it works in general?
Jun 15 18:38:31 <DoMC> MetaView: Thanks :)
Jun 15 18:39:57 <Jmenbalek> swisstomcat,  i try that but i have the same problem
Jun 15 18:40:28 <swisstomcat> i see .. but that means the problem is not related to the meta-doctor
Jun 15 18:40:38 <swisstomcat> it stops at 82% too?
Jun 15 18:40:51 <Jmenbalek> yes
Jun 15 18:40:54 <Jmenbalek> with this messahe
Jun 15 18:40:56 <Jmenbalek> message*
Jun 15 18:41:24 <Jmenbalek> impossible de réinitialiser votre téléphone  - Unable to reset your phone
Jun 15 18:41:48 <swisstomcat> just that?
Jun 15 18:41:58 <Jmenbalek> yes
Jun 15 18:42:19 <Simpson_2> beelzabub, are there any shops there wich sell palm hardware ?
Jun 15 18:42:40 <beelzabub> all the phone stores
Jun 15 18:42:51 <beelzabub> at&t, verizon, sprint
Jun 15 18:43:01 <beelzabub> i can't recall if radioshack still does
Jun 15 18:43:09 <Simpson_2> are they any good in the extras as well ?
Jun 15 18:43:18 <Simpson_2> beelzabub, I'll be flying to SFO tommorow
Jun 15 18:43:19 <swisstomcat> radioshack sells the AT&T pre plus
Jun 15 18:43:36 <Simpson_2> beelzabub, since the stuff is not on sale here, I though that looking there might be a good idea ;)
Jun 15 18:43:49 <beelzabub> i don't know - i'm sure they all carry the touchstone
Jun 15 18:43:51 <swisstomcat> which country, simpson_2?
Jun 15 18:43:57 <beelzabub> not sure about any other accessories there might be
Jun 15 18:44:11 <Simpson_2> swisstomcat, .nl
Jun 15 18:44:26 <swisstomcat> get one from germany, they're unlocked
Jun 15 18:44:30 <swisstomcat> O2
Jun 15 18:44:47 <en0x> with qwertz keyboard
Jun 15 18:44:47 <en0x> :S
Jun 15 18:44:56 <swisstomcat> of course
Jun 15 18:45:06 <Simpson_2> swisstomcat, I have one already :)
Jun 15 18:45:12 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 15 18:45:14 <Simpson_2> indeed from O2
Jun 15 18:45:17 <Simpson_2> but no extras with it
Jun 15 18:45:21 <Simpson_2> and not on sale hre
Jun 15 18:45:23 <Simpson_2> here
Jun 15 18:45:25 <swisstomcat> ah, you just want the extras
Jun 15 18:45:41 <swisstomcat> radioshack had a sale on the touchstones a while ago
Jun 15 18:45:42 <swisstomcat> $20
Jun 15 18:45:53 <Simpson_2> okay I'll look for that then
Jun 15 18:45:59 <Simpson_2> I'll have some time there
Jun 15 18:46:09 <Simpson_2> the GF wants to do shopping.. well so do I ;)
Jun 15 18:46:16 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: you could try to start the webos doctor on the command line and see if you get a more detailed error message that way
Jun 15 18:46:20 <vibol> does anyone have an idea of how to set optimal compcache size for the experimental uberkernel?
Jun 15 18:46:37 <Simpson_2> is this the place to ask questions about preware addons failing ?
Jun 15 18:46:47 <swisstomcat> what addons?
Jun 15 18:46:58 <Simpson_2> uber calendar
Jun 15 18:47:12 <swisstomcat> simpson_2: ask metaview in #webos
Jun 15 18:47:14 <swisstomcat> the author
Jun 15 18:47:15 <MetaView> well, yes
Jun 15 18:47:20 <Simpson_2> ah :)
Jun 15 18:47:38 <MetaView> it will conflict with every other calendar patch
Jun 15 18:47:44 <Simpson_2> ah like that
Jun 15 18:47:48 <MetaView> as I almost patch every file
Jun 15 18:49:05 <Simpson_2> do you add 'default to month view' and 'all day event in month view' to your patch ?
Jun 15 18:49:59 <MetaView> all day event is there and the default view is the last view it was open
Jun 15 18:50:19 <MetaView> and you have the back gesture which brings you to the month view
Jun 15 18:50:44 <Simpson_2> okay, then I can delete the others ;9
Jun 15 18:50:49 <MetaView> but, there I think it might be better to go from day to week to month, but I'm not sure yet
Jun 15 18:51:46 <Simpson_2> MetaView, works now
Jun 15 18:52:26 <Simpson_2> and problems with the virtual keyboard ??
Jun 15 18:52:26 <MetaView> fine :)
Jun 15 18:52:37 <MetaView> don't know
Jun 15 18:54:51 <Jmenbalek> swisstomcat, ok i try that
Jun 15 18:55:08 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: java -jar webosdoctor.jar is what i usually use
Jun 15 18:56:28 <Jmenbalek> oh
Jun 15 18:57:49 <Jmenbalek> i have restart my palm , and it's running  but when i want use "first use" with wifi the plam restart and "fist use" disappears :|
Jun 15 18:57:55 <Jmenbalek> it's normal ?
Jun 15 18:58:34 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Jun 15 18:59:06 <Jmenbalek> grumbl
Jun 15 18:59:36 <swisstomcat> but if the doctor fails i wouldn't expect things to work
Jun 15 19:00:04 <Jmenbalek> ok, i re try meta doctor
Jun 15 19:00:27 <Jmenbalek> i pastebin the error
Jun 15 19:02:13 <Jmenbalek> swisstomcat,  http://pastebin.com/nDYsP2Gb
Jun 15 19:03:02 <swisstomcat> doesn't sound good
Jun 15 19:04:44 <swisstomcat> and this is with the original sfr 1.4.1 doctor from palm?
Jun 15 19:04:48 <Jmenbalek> yes
Jun 15 19:05:14 <Jmenbalek> i retry with o2 version
Jun 15 19:05:22 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 15 19:05:29 <swisstomcat> but it's an SFR device?
Jun 15 19:05:37 <Jmenbalek> yes
Jun 15 19:06:07 <swisstomcat> ping beezlabub
Jun 15 19:06:18 <swisstomcat> ping beelzabub
Jun 15 19:06:30 <beelzabub> yo
Jun 15 19:06:43 <swisstomcat> any idea what "Base ROM Failed Verification" means when doctoring?
Jun 15 19:06:53 <swisstomcat> http://pastebin.com/nDYsP2Gb
Jun 15 19:09:26 <beelzabub> my guess is that the ROM failed to download properly
Jun 15 19:09:32 <beelzabub> i'm not sure how the validation is performed
Jun 15 19:09:45 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 15 19:09:58 <swisstomcat> i never had this error and i flashed my pre many times :)
Jun 15 19:10:00 <beelzabub> try again - if it fails, then there must be some hash that you missed to update
Jun 15 19:10:09 <beelzabub> are you flashing a regular or patched ROM?
Jun 15 19:10:14 <swisstomcat> regular
Jun 15 19:10:18 <beelzabub> ok, weird
Jun 15 19:10:27 <swisstomcat> first patched, now regular
Jun 15 19:10:39 <swisstomcat> to see if that works
Jun 15 19:10:42 <Jmenbalek> patched with only  BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP
Jun 15 19:10:59 <beelzabub> bets are off when you actually modify the contents
Jun 15 19:11:09 <beelzabub> i suspect the doctor has a hash that it uses for validation
Jun 15 19:11:11 <beelzabub> is there an option to bypass the ROM validation?
Jun 15 19:11:22 <swisstomcat> good question
Jun 15 19:12:10 <Jmenbalek> i test with o2 version for look
Jun 15 19:12:15 <swisstomcat> ok
Jun 15 19:12:23 <swisstomcat> see how far you get
Jun 15 19:22:25 <Jmenbalek> i have the same result
Jun 15 19:22:51 <swisstomcat> :(
Jun 15 19:22:59 <Jmenbalek> with other error
Jun 15 19:23:34 <swisstomcat> oh?
Jun 15 19:23:50 <Jmenbalek> i pastebin
Jun 15 19:24:42 <Jmenbalek> http://pastebin.com/6zZKSBiT
Jun 15 19:30:17 <Jmenbalek> i try the sprint version 1.4.1.1 :(
Jun 15 19:30:45 <swisstomcat> don't think that will work
Jun 15 19:30:49 <swisstomcat> since you have a GSM phone
Jun 15 19:30:53 <swisstomcat> maybe your phone is toast?
Jun 15 19:30:57 <Jmenbalek> oh shit
Jun 15 19:31:00 <Jmenbalek> i'm stupid
Jun 15 19:31:01 <Jmenbalek> ^
Jun 15 19:31:02 <swisstomcat> can you try on another computer?
Jun 15 19:31:06 <Jmenbalek> no :(
Jun 15 19:31:18 <Jmenbalek> i have only a computer with ubuntu
Jun 15 19:31:36 <swisstomcat> i also use ubuntu, no problems so far
Jun 15 19:31:42 <swisstomcat> 9.10 and 10.04
Jun 15 19:32:27 <Jmenbalek> i use 10.04
Jun 15 19:32:34 <Jmenbalek> i dont have luck
Jun 15 19:32:35 <Jmenbalek> xD
Jun 15 19:33:47 <Jmenbalek> it's strange because after a manual reboot the palm work great but not the fisrt use app
Jun 15 19:34:00 <swisstomcat> yeah, strange
Jun 15 19:35:22 <Jmenbalek> fucking sfr
Jun 15 19:35:47 <en0x> no no
Jun 15 19:35:57 <Jmenbalek> ?
Jun 15 19:36:17 <en0x> oops wrong channel man
Jun 15 19:36:23 <Jmenbalek> xD
Jun 15 19:44:25 <Jmenbalek> telcel is a gsm version ?
Jun 15 19:47:00 <swisstomcat> telcel is at 1.4.0
Jun 15 19:47:03 <swisstomcat> mexican
Jun 15 19:48:14 <Jmenbalek> at&t = gsm ? :/
Jun 15 19:48:33 <en0x> yap
Jun 15 19:48:41 <Jmenbalek> i try that :/
Jun 15 19:48:45 <en0x> lol
Jun 15 19:53:56 <chrisa> I wonder how much use a bnet auth app would get
Jun 15 19:54:47 <swisstomcat> hrmm
Jun 15 19:55:03 <swisstomcat> webosdoctor fails with "Base ROM Failed Verification" .. what gives?
Jun 15 19:55:21 <MetaView> bnet auth app?
Jun 15 19:56:23 <chrisa> swisstomcat: sounds like rootfs image is corrupted
Jun 15 19:56:31 <swisstomcat> ouch
Jun 15 19:56:50 <chrisa> In the doctor I mean. Download it again?
Jun 15 19:56:57 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 15 19:57:14 <swisstomcat> strange enough two different doctors failed with the same error
Jun 15 19:57:16 <swisstomcat> although
Jun 15 19:57:25 <swisstomcat> one was metadoctored
Jun 15 19:57:39 <swisstomcat> which is based on the original webosdoctor
Jun 15 19:57:40 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 15 19:57:52 <swisstomcat> still here, jmenbalek?
Jun 15 19:58:16 <Jmenbalek> pwarf
Jun 15 19:58:22 <Jmenbalek> error with this version too
Jun 15 19:58:33 <swisstomcat> same error?
Jun 15 19:58:40 <Jmenbalek> no other :/
Jun 15 19:58:47 <swisstomcat> have you checked the md5 sum for the original 1.4.1 sfr doctor?
Jun 15 19:59:00 <Jmenbalek> hum n o
Jun 15 19:59:08 <Jmenbalek> i dont know make that
Jun 15 19:59:08 <Jmenbalek> :(
Jun 15 20:00:24 <swisstomcat> download again from here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Jun 15 20:01:08 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 15 20:01:33 <swisstomcat> let me download too and then we can compare md5 sums
Jun 15 20:01:38 <swisstomcat> thanks for the hint, chrisa
Jun 15 20:03:32 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 15 20:10:48 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: 7f7d258ba662dcd3085d76cb67dee906  webosdoctorp101ueu-wr.jar
Jun 15 20:11:08 <Jmenbalek> what i give that ?
Jun 15 20:11:25 <swisstomcat> md5sum webosdoctorp101ueu-wr.jar
Jun 15 20:11:33 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 15 20:12:26 <Jmenbalek> 7f7d258ba662dcd3085d76cb67dee906  webosdoctorp101ueu-wr.jar
Jun 15 20:12:33 <Jmenbalek> same number
Jun 15 20:12:36 <swisstomcat> great
Jun 15 20:12:49 <swisstomcat> now try this webosdoctor
Jun 15 20:12:58 <Jmenbalek> ok man
Jun 15 20:13:03 <swisstomcat> java -jar webosdoctor101ueu-wr.jar
Jun 15 20:25:42 <Jmenbalek> fuck
Jun 15 20:25:45 <Jmenbalek> the same error
Jun 15 20:26:13 <swisstomcat> very strange
Jun 15 20:26:38 <swisstomcat> unless that webosdoctor is corrupt
Jun 15 20:27:05 <Jmenbalek> i have downloaded here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor-FR#Si_webOS_Doctor_ne_fonctionne_pas
Jun 15 20:28:53 <swisstomcat> we had the same md5sum, so the download went ok
Jun 15 20:29:04 <swisstomcat> maybe the image on the palm server is corrupt
Jun 15 20:29:09 <Jmenbalek> :(
Jun 15 20:31:42 <Jmenbalek> in the makefile , # Select "sprint", "bellmo", "telcel", "verizonwireless", "sfr", "wr" or "att". , i must write sfr ?
Jun 15 20:32:21 <swisstomcat> i would try the original doctor first
Jun 15 20:32:33 <swisstomcat> that one must work before going any further
Jun 15 20:33:27 <swisstomcat> since the metadoctor modifies the original webosdoctor
Jun 15 20:33:55 <MetaView> one need a sql client for the pre
Jun 15 20:34:53 <Jmenbalek> i have tried the original file and i have the same problem too
Jun 15 20:35:25 <Jmenbalek> i have a fucking palm pre plus
Jun 15 20:35:33 <swisstomcat> from SFR
Jun 15 20:35:37 <Jmenbalek> yes
Jun 15 20:36:02 <swisstomcat> maybe warpdesign_ can help to see if the image is ok
Jun 15 20:36:05 <Jmenbalek> but i have read in more forum , this method works good with this ....
Jun 15 20:36:11 <Jmenbalek> -in
Jun 15 20:36:14 <swisstomcat> otherwise post your problem to developer.palm.com
Jun 15 20:36:35 <Jmenbalek> i am sad xD
Jun 15 20:36:47 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 15 20:36:53 <swisstomcat> sucks
Jun 15 20:38:51 <MetaView> send it the plus to  me :)
Jun 15 20:38:57 <MetaView> -it
Jun 15 20:39:10 <Jmenbalek> ^^
Jun 15 20:40:28 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, you are trying to flash a O2 doctor into a sfr phone?
Jun 15 20:40:51 <swisstomcat> SFR doctor
Jun 15 20:41:04 <swisstomcat> we even verified the md5sum
Jun 15 20:41:15 <swisstomcat> unless the jar on the server has a problem
Jun 15 20:41:26 <ka6sox-work> interesting...I have an 02 pixi-plus that uses -wr.
Jun 15 20:41:30 <Jmenbalek> 02 ?!
Jun 15 20:41:39 <ka6sox-work> -wr is 02
Jun 15 20:41:43 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 15 20:41:44 <ka6sox-work> right?
Jun 15 20:42:09 <swisstomcat> wr=world ready
Jun 15 20:42:14 <Jmenbalek> android is more easy ^
Jun 15 20:42:51 <ka6sox-work> okay... swisstomcat I guess I don't understand why meta-doctor needs to know sfr vs wr...
Jun 15 20:43:29 <swisstomcat> o2 is p100ueu-wr and SFR is p101ueu-wr
Jun 15 20:43:56 <ka6sox-work> its a  plus?
Jun 15 20:44:01 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 15 20:44:07 <ka6sox-work> k
Jun 15 20:44:15 <swisstomcat> you think you can flash any wr?
Jun 15 20:44:26 <ka6sox-work> ?
Jun 15 20:44:48 <swisstomcat> i mean flash any wr on any device
Jun 15 20:45:02 * ka6sox-work dunnos
Jun 15 20:45:09 <MetaView> g'night
Jun 15 20:45:15 <swisstomcat> night metaview
Jun 15 20:45:27 <Jmenbalek> good night MetaView
Jun 15 20:46:02 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: you said that the o2 doctor failed too?
Jun 15 20:46:12 <Jmenbalek> yes
Jun 15 20:46:19 <ka6sox-work> I can tell you what works on a 02 pixi plus and what doesn't.
Jun 15 20:46:22 <Jmenbalek> any version failed
Jun 15 20:46:23 <Jmenbalek> :'(
Jun 15 20:46:45 <ka6sox-work> what is @ 82%?
Jun 15 20:46:45 <warpdesign_> hi there
Jun 15 20:47:03 <ka6sox-work> morning.
Jun 15 20:47:05 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek has a SFR pre plus
Jun 15 20:47:14 <swisstomcat> and it can't be doctored
Jun 15 20:47:27 <warpdesign_> ah, that's too bad
Jun 15 20:47:33 <swisstomcat> fails with "Base ROM Failed Verification"
Jun 15 20:47:33 <warpdesign_> why cannot it be doctored ?
Jun 15 20:47:37 <warpdesign_> hmm..
Jun 15 20:47:57 <swisstomcat> (09:56:21 PM) chrisa: swisstomcat: sounds like rootfs image is corrupted
Jun 15 20:48:06 <Jmenbalek> after i select french in first use , the palm reboot and first use disappears
Jun 15 20:48:07 <warpdesign_> never played with that since I had no real phone..
Jun 15 20:48:08 <swisstomcat> (09:56:48 PM) chrisa: In the doctor I mean. Download it again?
Jun 15 20:48:36 <warpdesign_> maybe you should download it again indeed
Jun 15 20:48:48 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: it was like that after you unpacked it?
Jun 15 20:48:57 <swisstomcat> warpdesign: we already checked the md5sum
Jun 15 20:49:21 <Jmenbalek> yes swisstomcat
Jun 15 20:49:43 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: return it?
Jun 15 20:49:52 <Jmenbalek> :(
Jun 15 20:50:00 <warpdesign_> ok, then checksum is ok..
Jun 15 20:50:05 <torchie> how do you open the packages installed with ipkg-opt?
Jun 15 20:50:30 <ka6sox-work> torchie, which packages?
Jun 15 20:50:45 <swisstomcat> jmenbalek: if the device doesn't work out of the box return it to SFR
Jun 15 20:51:08 <Jmenbalek> the devices works fine
Jun 15 20:51:16 <Jmenbalek> it's only with meta doctor
Jun 15 20:51:44 <torchie> vim?
Jun 15 20:51:45 <swisstomcat> meta doctor failed
Jun 15 20:51:58 <swisstomcat> and now not even the original webosdoctor works
Jun 15 20:53:00 <Jmenbalek> i can use the palm in wifi etc ... but i dont have sfr , i have the nextgen soluce but before i must register the palm
Jun 15 20:53:40 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 15 20:53:58 <swisstomcat> not much you can do now that the original webosdoctor doesn't work
Jun 15 20:54:14 <Jmenbalek> in the french forum nothing answer me .... french are so noob xD
Jun 15 20:54:30 <ka6sox-work> torchie, did you look in /opt/bin?
Jun 15 20:54:34 <warpdesign_> well, french people use iphones ;)
Jun 15 20:54:40 <warpdesign_> and usually don't need that ;)
Jun 15 20:54:40 <Jmenbalek> xD
Jun 15 20:54:54 <torchie> I did not
Jun 15 20:55:04 <torchie> gonna do that
Jun 15 20:56:01 <ka6sox-work> I should look no my  phone to see if its there or /opt/usr/bin
Jun 15 20:56:09 <ka6sox-work> s/no/on
Jun 15 20:56:23 <swisstomcat> one thing to try: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#If_the_Doctor_will_not_run
Jun 15 20:56:34 <warpdesign_> Jmenbalek: tu recois les msg privés ? ;)
Jun 15 20:58:59 <ka6sox-work> torchie, probably in /opt/usr/bin
Jun 15 20:59:32 <ka6sox-work> Too Many Cards...arrgh...only 30 open! sheesh
Jun 15 21:00:11 <torchie> my /opt/bin just has the ipkg and update-alternatives
Jun 15 21:00:18 <torchie> and ipkg-opt
Jun 15 21:00:33 <ka6sox-work> look in /opt/usr/bin
Jun 15 21:00:39 <ka6sox-work> thats where it should be.
Jun 15 21:01:00 <Tman> working, though basic, real-time analyzer running on my pre!
Jun 15 21:03:30 <ka6sox-work> torchie: /opt/usr/bin
Jun 15 21:03:51 <swisstomcat> tman: cool .. details?
Jun 15 21:04:40 <Tman> swisstomcat: it uses alsa for now. FFT is done using kiss_fft, and 2d graphics using OpenGL for speed
Jun 15 21:05:04 <swisstomcat> very nice
Jun 15 21:05:09 <swisstomcat> plan to release it?
Jun 15 21:05:36 <Tman> swisstomcat: sure, once I get a usable interface and smoothing etc. :)
Jun 15 21:06:25 <dtzWill> Tman: exciting :)
Jun 15 21:06:49 <Tman> this is going to be submitted to the app store though, so might have to wait on them.. they might not accept it until they come out with the new APIs
Jun 15 21:07:14 <Tman> yall can beta test if you want
Jun 15 21:09:44 <swisstomcat> sure
Jun 15 21:11:15 <swisstomcat> goodnight everyone
Jun 15 21:11:22 <ka6sox-work> nite swisstomcat
Jun 15 21:11:40 <swisstomcat> good luck, jmenbalek
Jun 15 21:14:44 <Jmenbalek> thx
Jun 15 21:14:48 <Jmenbalek> oups too lat
Jun 15 21:36:08 <HattCzech_work> Tman: what's the analyzer used for?
Jun 15 21:38:07 <Tman> analyzing frequencies in sound through the mic
Jun 15 21:38:25 <Tman> used in a lot of professional sound applications, as well as others I can't think of right now ;)
Jun 15 21:48:14 <HattCzech_work> awesome
Jun 15 21:52:26 <ka6sox-work> Tman, that should like fun....I'd like to test that.
Jun 15 21:53:31 <Tman> ka6sox-work: I'll put you down.
Jun 15 21:54:11 <ka6sox-work> I have several things I'd use it for.
Jun 15 21:54:57 <ka6sox-work> one would be to analyze whether a fan is failing or now.
Jun 15 21:54:58 <ka6sox-work> er not
Jun 15 21:55:25 <Tman> interesting.. you plan to determine that with just frequency data?
Jun 15 21:55:36 <ka6sox-work> yes, I've done it before
Jun 15 21:56:04 <Tman> what kind of fan is this?
Jun 15 21:56:12 <ka6sox-work> but I hate dragging up my HP Analzyer to the mountaintop.
Jun 15 21:56:18 <ka6sox-work> Muffin Fan.
Jun 15 21:56:31 <vibol> has anyone tinkered with the fps of the webOS rendering speed? is it possible tomake scrolling as smooth as an iPhone?
Jun 15 21:56:32 <Tman> oh, cool
Jun 15 21:58:01 <ka6sox-work> Tman whats the max freq you can analyze? what the sample rate?
Jun 15 21:59:21 <Tman> ka6sox-work: well the sample rate is 44.1kHz, so that's technically the max frequency, though I'm planning on capping it just above 20 kHz for display purposes
Jun 15 21:59:32 <Tman> ka6sox-work: do you need something above 20k?
Jun 15 22:00:56 <ka6sox-work> Tman, no....22.05khz (Nyquist) is good enough.
Jun 15 22:02:37 <Tman> ok, that's included
Jun 15 22:12:13 <dtzWill> hmm weirdness happens if save package list refers to a package that doesn't exist
Jun 15 22:12:28 <dtzWill> (my case, package from testing feed and i hadn't re-added testing feed again)
Jun 15 22:12:51 <dtzWill> but if it happens in more general case of package being deprecated perhaps that's an issue
Jun 15 22:23:03 <Jmenbalek> hi people
Jun 15 22:30:11 <dtzWill> confirmed: package not existing tells me to look at the ipkg log and that itself isn't super clear
Jun 15 22:30:20 <dtzWill> maybe we could detect this case and warn the user?
Jun 15 22:31:01 <dtzWill> regardless this is still a /lifesaver/ with regards to reinstalling all those patches/apps :):)
Jun 15 22:32:29 <rwhitby> dtzWill: yeah, that and missing dependencies are things we need to give better errors for.
Jun 15 22:34:51 <vibol> rwhitby: i'm running your testing kernel/govnah
Jun 15 22:35:30 <vibol> rwhitby: do you know if compcache adds enough cpu processing overhead to be noticeable? might it drain battery life slightly faster?
Jun 15 22:37:11 <rwhitby> vibol: compcache adds no cpu processing overhead unless you are swapping.
Jun 15 22:38:04 <warpdesign_> good night
Jun 15 22:38:30 <vibol> rwhitby: what's the compcache size limitation for?
Jun 15 22:41:22 <Jmenbalek> grumbl fuck sfr fuck
Jun 15 22:41:23 <Jmenbalek> :'(
Jun 15 22:41:37 <zsoc|away> Jmenbalek: language
Jun 15 22:42:12 <Jmenbalek> yes i know but i'm too nervous
Jun 15 22:42:13 <Jmenbalek> sorry
Jun 15 22:42:14 <Jmenbalek> :(
Jun 15 22:42:30 <zsoc> about what?
Jun 15 22:42:56 <Jmenbalek> because i use meta doctor for use wifi for register my palm pre plus to palm
Jun 15 22:42:59 <Jmenbalek> but
Jun 15 22:43:00 <zsoc> oh, trying to get a french pre to work on /not/ sfr
Jun 15 22:43:05 <Jmenbalek> i have a error at 84%
Jun 15 22:43:11 <zsoc> what kind of error?
Jun 15 22:43:21 <Jmenbalek> i give you the pastebin
Jun 15 22:43:46 <Jmenbalek> http://pastebin.com/nDYsP2Gb
Jun 15 22:44:38 <rwhitby> vibol: how much memory it reserves for it's use I believe.  18MB is that max I've seen it use.
Jun 15 22:44:38 <Jmenbalek> after the "error"  i reboot manual the palm and it's run in wifi but app first use disappears after selection language
Jun 15 22:44:44 <zsoc> verification failure? looks like uh.. you should uncomment the part that verifies.. uh.. things
Jun 15 22:44:49 <zsoc> rwhitby: does that sound right? :P
Jun 15 22:45:04 <vibol> rwhitby: cool, thanks for the intel
Jun 15 22:45:52 <vibol> does anyone know if screen fps is adjustable in webOS? iPhone scrolling is smooth like butter. webOS less so...
Jun 15 22:45:55 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: 84% is ROM verification.  The Pre will still restart and operate.  Post in the Meta-Doctor thread with your exact settings used (including the exact URL of the doctor you used) and I'll test it.
Jun 15 22:46:18 <beelzabub> vibol - no
Jun 15 22:46:23 <Jmenbalek> i have test uncomment only   BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP  = 1 and dont work , now i have test that http://pastebin.com/m0TSy19F and dont work too
Jun 15 22:46:24 <beelzabub> the problem isn't some fps setting that is set low ;)
Jun 15 22:46:30 <rwhitby> zsoc: no, the verification should not be disabled.  meta-doctor adjusts the md5sums for any changes it makes
Jun 15 22:46:36 <zsoc> vibol: the problem is not fps at all... but 800mhz helps ;)
Jun 15 22:46:55 <zsoc> rwhitby: can i assume you've already seen this error than and don't have an answer? you would know :P :)
Jun 15 22:47:07 <Jmenbalek> rwhitby,  i try with that http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Application:MetaDoctor-FR and http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Jun 15 22:47:31 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: remove carrier check and remove model check should almost never be used, and are likely to cause a rom verification failuer
Jun 15 22:48:06 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 15 22:48:09 <Jmenbalek> i re try
Jun 15 22:48:24 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: also note that the bypass first use doesn't set the visible flag on other languages, so you need to use palm-launch to launch it.  Please add that note to the wiki page.
Jun 15 22:48:32 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 15 22:48:37 <vibol> zsoc: i'm running at 800mhz, but the difference isn't huge. what's the issue behind the scrolling? is it because the UI isn't opengl?
Jun 15 22:48:49 <beelzabub> no
Jun 15 22:48:51 <Jmenbalek> palm launch ???
Jun 15 22:48:59 <beelzabub> viol: it's a complex answer
Jun 15 22:49:13 <zsoc> very complex
Jun 15 22:49:13 <vibol> beelzabub: all outside our control?
Jun 15 22:49:34 <Jmenbalek> rwhitby,  i can com in your pm ?
Jun 15 22:49:36 <beelzabub> that i don't know
Jun 15 22:50:05 <beelzabub> i haven't thought about it
Jun 15 22:50:25 <zsoc> Jmenbalek: it's not polite to com in people's pms.
Jun 15 22:50:28 <vibol> beelzabub: ahh, okay
Jun 15 22:50:45 <Jmenbalek> hum dont understand but ok xD
Jun 15 22:51:05 <Jmenbalek> i dont have understand your last message with bypass first
Jun 15 22:51:21 <Jmenbalek> what is palm launch ?
Jun 15 22:51:27 <vibol> beelzabub: any idea where one would look to learn more about it?
Jun 15 22:51:40 <beelzabub> well, you can start trying to figure out the javascript
Jun 15 22:51:49 <beelzabub> i don't know if it's worth it though
Jun 15 22:51:51 <zsoc> beelz has a bit of an unfair advantage when it comes to webOS knowledge :P
Jun 15 22:51:54 <beelzabub> :)
Jun 15 22:52:06 <vibol> i notice the ip address :)
Jun 15 22:52:54 <vibol> beelzabub: are you referring to extra long lists that slow down scrolling? i'm just talking about the basic shortlist and scrolling action as compared to the iPhone...
Jun 15 22:53:00 <beelzabub> does our webkit support canvas? if it does, you can try rewriting the launcher (luna-applauncher) using canvas
Jun 15 22:53:05 <beelzabub> otherwise I suspect you're out of luck
Jun 15 22:53:39 <beelzabub> vibol: i thought you were talking about the launcher
Jun 15 22:53:45 <vibol> beelzabub: ahh lol
Jun 15 22:53:47 <bpadalino> beelzabub: whenever i see your nick, i am reminded of the soul coughing song
Jun 15 22:53:51 <beelzabub> otherwise, yes, you are out of luck
Jun 15 22:54:10 <bpadalino> and the beginning of the song goes on in my head
Jun 15 22:54:25 <zsoc> beelzabub: luna-applauncher is js?
Jun 15 22:54:31 <beelzabub> yup
Jun 15 22:54:37 <vibol> beelzabub: i meant any list of items, like a list of titles. something about the iPhone's rendering/polling rate just feels more fluid.
Jun 15 22:54:40 <beelzabub> /usr/lib/luna/
Jun 15 22:54:48 <zsoc> hm... rewrite it in canvas... that's a brilliant fricken idea
Jun 15 22:54:54 <vibol> yeah
Jun 15 22:55:00 <beelzabub> do we support canvas?
Jun 15 22:55:03 <bpadalino> yeah
Jun 15 22:55:04 <beelzabub> might be interesting
Jun 15 22:55:05 <bpadalino> you do
Jun 15 22:55:29 <beelzabub> not sure if it will actually improve performance
Jun 15 22:55:35 <beelzabub> the only place would be re-ordering icons
Jun 15 22:56:12 <vibol> beelzabub: i guess the fluid action i'm talking about is the same thing whether it's a list or the launcher
Jun 15 22:56:19 <beelzabub> i doubt it'll affect scrolling performance, but if it does, that'll be something really interesting
Jun 15 22:56:25 <beelzabub> vibol: yeah i know
Jun 15 22:56:38 <beelzabub> there's nothing you can do
Jun 15 22:56:58 <vibol> beelzabub: as a user, or as a programmer? :D
Jun 15 22:57:14 <beelzabub> a lot of the problem with that lies in the native code
Jun 15 22:57:21 <vibol> ahh
Jun 15 22:58:29 <zsoc> beelzabub: I wouldn't call it a 'problem' so much
Jun 15 22:58:35 <zsoc> Palm actually /solved/ the problem getting it to work at all
Jun 15 22:58:44 <zsoc> it's unique, just a bit ahead of it's time
Jun 15 22:58:49 <zsoc> html5 has a long ways to mature
Jun 15 22:58:54 <beelzabub> i meant the performance problem with scrolling
Jun 15 22:59:03 <beelzabub> not problem - but the suboptimal behaviour
Jun 15 22:59:35 <zsoc> hahaha well put
Jun 15 22:59:51 <zsoc> dual core 800 arm would fix it ;)
Jun 15 22:59:55 <bpadalino> i bought a textbook today while i was at work :(
Jun 15 23:01:43 <beelzabub> you'd be surprised how often throwing faster hardware at a problem doesn't make it that much better
Jun 15 23:03:22 <zsoc> beelzabub: i wouldn't be suprised, but i enjoy faster hardware :D
Jun 15 23:03:49 <beelzabub> that's the point though - if you throw hardware at the problem but don't solve the SW problem, you won't see any performance improvement
Jun 15 23:04:07 <beelzabub> so aside from the e-pen** factor, there's minimal benefit aside from increased battery drain
Jun 15 23:04:08 <beelzabub> :)
Jun 15 23:05:54 <vibol> beelzabub: is the touchscreen polling or event-based?
Jun 15 23:06:03 <beelzabub> castle is polling
Jun 15 23:06:10 <beelzabub> can't recall pixie, but i suspect polling as well
Jun 15 23:07:04 <vibol> ahh, any idea what rate its polling at?
Jun 15 23:07:54 <beelzabub> 50fps i believe
Jun 15 23:08:21 <beelzabub> & by i believe i mean that that's what i measured & what i've been told
Jun 15 23:08:50 <vibol> ahh, is that the ts's max polling rate?
Jun 15 23:09:05 <beelzabub> not sure
Jun 15 23:09:23 <beelzabub> i suspect it's the fastest you can do given the way it's architected
Jun 15 23:10:06 <vibol> i'm just curious because i notice the scrolling action looks more fluid when i flick lightly and release my finger
Jun 15 23:11:31 <vibol> i wonder if what i'm seeing is just because of some translation lag between touchscreen and gui
Jun 15 23:12:38 <zsoc> vibol: there is a lot of abstraction going on
Jun 15 23:13:11 <vibol> zsoc: yeah, i can imagine. hardware <> java <> webkit <> js <> html5 .....
Jun 15 23:13:17 <beelzabub> no - it's not that i don't think (although it does have to go through several layers of abstraction to get there
Jun 15 23:13:22 <beelzabub> *by there i mean the js app
Jun 15 23:13:27 <beelzabub> at no point is it going through java
Jun 15 23:13:28 <beelzabub> ever
Jun 15 23:13:33 <vibol> ahh
Jun 15 23:13:36 <vibol> is webkit native?
Jun 15 23:13:45 <zsoc> but there is hardware, and low lever bridge drivers for the hardware
Jun 15 23:13:51 <beelzabub> it goes kernel -> hidd -> sysmgr -> webkit -> v8
Jun 15 23:13:53 <zsoc> and then native code (mostly C) on top of that
Jun 15 23:13:57 <vibol> mmm
Jun 15 23:13:58 <mjkjr> uber kernel won't update due to ramzswap.ko and xvmalloc.ko, so I removed and thought I'd reinstall, now I can't install uber kernel again. has anyone tested this?
Jun 15 23:14:03 <beelzabub> what do you mean by "is webkit native"
Jun 15 23:14:04 <beelzabub> ?
Jun 15 23:14:06 <zsoc> beelzabub: v8? i thought they reverted v8 in 1.4.1?
Jun 15 23:14:16 <beelzabub> zsoc: how do you mean?
Jun 15 23:14:19 <vibol> beelzabub: i meant compiled c
Jun 15 23:14:25 <beelzabub> we've been using v8 since day 1
Jun 15 23:14:34 <beelzabub> webkit is c++
Jun 15 23:14:39 <vibol> got it
Jun 15 23:14:45 <beelzabub> what else would it be in?
Jun 15 23:14:52 <oilsworkn> python
Jun 15 23:14:55 <beelzabub> lol
Jun 15 23:14:56 <vibol> php
Jun 15 23:14:57 <zsoc> maybe i was confusing v8 with the json parser
Jun 15 23:14:58 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 15 23:15:02 <vibol> haha
Jun 15 23:15:18 <beelzabub> it's definitely v8
Jun 15 23:15:22 <beelzabub> /usr/lib/libv8.so
Jun 15 23:15:31 <zsoc> o
Jun 15 23:15:34 <zsoc> ok then
Jun 15 23:16:27 <vibol> beelzabub: way off tangent, but how come there's so much OS logging turned on by default? i was poking around the other day and switched off a ton of PmLog logging on my device to prevent it from writing to /var/log
Jun 15 23:17:23 <beelzabub> that's a question I've been asking since day 1 :).  i'm trying to push for us to shut up all the chatty garbage that tends to end up there
Jun 15 23:17:30 <vibol> lol
Jun 15 23:17:35 <vibol> the log grows extremely fast with wifi on because of an iptables rule that logs anything hitting the phone
Jun 15 23:17:45 <beelzabub> wth - really?
Jun 15 23:17:50 <vibol> yes
Jun 15 23:18:00 <vibol> well, that's what i've seen
Jun 15 23:18:08 <beelzabub> can you send me that log snippet?
Jun 15 23:19:09 <vibol> sure, let me plug my phone in real quick
Jun 15 23:20:00 <zsoc> yeah that sounds right
Jun 15 23:20:10 <zsoc> uNiXpSyChO and sbromwich have a load of kernel logging complaints
Jun 15 23:22:50 <vibol> beelzabub: i don't have any logs anymore, but here's the iptables rule that loads up the log. it's in both /etc/pmnetconfig/iptables-(common|default).config ; -A INPUT -m limit --limit 3/sec -j LOG --log-prefix "IPT_PACKET_DROPPED_NO_MATCH: " --log-level 7
Jun 15 23:23:31 <vibol> log-level 7 is DEBUG level, so i guess PmLog is set to listen to everything
Jun 15 23:23:59 <beelzabub> thanks
Jun 15 23:24:11 <vibol> np, it might save some battery life :D
Jun 15 23:24:46 <beelzabub> is 7 a debug level in the iptables rule?
Jun 15 23:24:53 <vibol> yes
Jun 15 23:25:03 <vibol> it conforms with syslog levels
Jun 15 23:27:25 <vibol> My phone has all Contexts set to none in /etc/PmLogContexts.conf to silence most of the kernel-level logging but user-space apps still do some logging against PmLog
Jun 15 23:28:43 <uNiXpSyChO> kernel buffer logging is harmless.  its the messages file that slows down the phone
Jun 15 23:28:57 <vibol> yup
Jun 15 23:29:08 <vibol> all that stuff gets flushed to messages
Jun 15 23:29:28 <ka6sox-work> hiya, uNiXpSyChO
Jun 15 23:29:29 <beelzabub> can you send me the actual log line from /var/log/messages?
Jun 15 23:29:37 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: yo
Jun 15 23:29:49 <beelzabub> & /etc/PmLog.conf
Jun 15 23:30:16 <vibol> beelzabub: sure, i'll turn logging back to normal and capture those lines
Jun 15 23:30:20 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, what should I be atweaking on compcache to make it work for more than 32 cards?
Jun 15 23:30:57 <uNiXpSyChO> nothing really.  it should just work if you are running latest Uber
Jun 15 23:31:16 <uNiXpSyChO> i was running it last night w/o compcache and got it over 30 cards
Jun 15 23:31:17 <ka6sox-work> I'm running -37
Jun 15 23:31:41 <uNiXpSyChO> hmm.  let me check again.  cuz i didnt run 3 3d games like rwhitby ;P
Jun 15 23:32:02 <ka6sox-work> I ran 3ea games + video player + browser.
Jun 15 23:32:10 * uNiXpSyChO reboots into one of 6 kernels on his Pre
Jun 15 23:32:12 <ka6sox-work> (+ 27 other cards)
Jun 15 23:32:30 <uNiXpSyChO> that should be good
Jun 15 23:32:45 <uNiXpSyChO> 3d games are hogs...
Jun 15 23:32:49 <ka6sox-work> ya, indeed.
Jun 15 23:33:05 <uNiXpSyChO> when i got 48 cards i didnt run 3 games :-)
Jun 15 23:33:08 <beelzabub> pastebin
Jun 15 23:33:33 <ka6sox-work> webos-internals.pastebin.com
Jun 15 23:33:55 <ka6sox-work> oh, if I didn't run the browser I got a LOT more.
Jun 15 23:33:55 * uNiXpSyChO ka6sox-work is distracting me from doing a MPLS cutover for work
Jun 15 23:34:18 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, heh....I"m doing a multiple T-1 cutover now too.
Jun 15 23:34:40 <ka6sox-work> MPLS didn't work for us.
Jun 15 23:34:53 <uNiXpSyChO> why not?  T1' s ar so 90's
Jun 15 23:35:07 <uNiXpSyChO> drag in an OC48 and be done.
Jun 15 23:35:29 <ka6sox-work> because I'm needing syncronized audio @ each site and it didn't work.
Jun 15 23:35:58 <ka6sox-work> 3 stereo streams.
Jun 15 23:36:14 <ka6sox-work> Main + HD1 + HD2
Jun 15 23:36:23 <uNiXpSyChO> a PRI would work better no?  ISDN F link?
Jun 15 23:36:29 <ka6sox-work> PRI
Jun 15 23:36:49 <ka6sox-work> ISDN costs too much...mileage + time
Jun 15 23:37:10 <uNiXpSyChO> well a PRI is basic rate ISDN :-)
Jun 15 23:37:14 <ka6sox-work> we use them for the Symphony and the Opera.
Jun 15 23:37:22 <uNiXpSyChO> there's an ISDN high grade used in broadcast
Jun 15 23:37:30 <ka6sox-work> thats what we use.
Jun 15 23:37:34 <uNiXpSyChO> ah
Jun 15 23:37:45 <ka6sox-work> we just bond the 2 barriers.
Jun 15 23:38:15 <uNiXpSyChO> sorry... we got carried away :-)
Jun 15 23:38:21 <ka6sox-work> ya...sorry
Jun 15 23:38:35 <ka6sox-work> everything has to be syncronous.
Jun 15 23:39:00 <uNiXpSyChO> bus and tag
Jun 15 23:39:21 <ka6sox-work> 8 seconds of delay between Main and HD1
Jun 15 23:39:36 <uNiXpSyChO> ouch!
Jun 15 23:40:06 <ka6sox-work> well....8192ms to be precise.
Jun 15 23:50:44 <Jmenbalek> pwarf
Jun 15 23:50:49 <Jmenbalek> i have already the same errorr
Jun 15 23:50:50 <Jmenbalek> :'(
Jun 16 00:25:19 <BeeRad> lil help....
Jun 16 00:25:35 <bpadalino> just a little ?
Jun 16 00:25:39 <ka6sox-work> only a little?
Jun 16 00:25:51 <BeeRad> lil bit....
Jun 16 00:25:56 <Jmenbalek> i need big help
Jun 16 00:25:57 <Jmenbalek> please
Jun 16 00:25:58 <Jmenbalek> xD
Jun 16 00:26:03 <bpadalino> size queen
Jun 16 00:26:28 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, I didn't see if a stock doctor would work on your problem?
Jun 16 00:26:40 <BeeRad> I've got the testing feed up and going in Preware, but I haven't been seeing any kernel testing.
Jun 16 00:26:57 <ka6sox-work> different feed
Jun 16 00:26:58 <Jmenbalek> i have test all rom and i have a problem with all :/
Jun 16 00:27:21 <BeeRad> Whats the kernel testing feed?
Jun 16 00:28:33 <Jmenbalek> http://pastebin.com/fRfYck8f <== Makefile good here ?
Jun 16 00:28:36 <Jmenbalek> (please)
Jun 16 00:30:50 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, start @ http://ipkg.preware.org and drill down...I think its webos-kernels/testing
Jun 16 00:31:15 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, did you try turning off carrier check and model check too?
Jun 16 00:31:46 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, just do the minimum here to test.  don't increase Var or add the extra ext3 space.
Jun 16 00:32:27 <BeeRad> +ka6sox-work: Thanks.
Jun 16 00:32:42 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 16 00:32:54 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, dont' install preware or set developer mode
Jun 16 00:33:07 <ka6sox-work> just see if you can get the phone to take a doctor.
Jun 16 00:33:13 <Jmenbalek> just  BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP  , good ?
Jun 16 00:33:40 <ka6sox-work> probably...
Jun 16 00:34:08 <ka6sox-work> paste the output of the last 30 lines or so of the console output from where you invoked the doctor.
Jun 16 00:34:14 <ka6sox-work> (into pastebin)
Jun 16 00:34:50 <Jmenbalek> hum
Jun 16 00:34:58 <ka6sox-work> I haven't looked in a while as to what getting to 82% means in the Doctor.
Jun 16 00:34:58 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 16 00:35:02 <Jmenbalek> i try that now
Jun 16 00:35:24 <ka6sox-work> what we want to do is get the rootfs and other things installed.
Jun 16 00:35:31 <ka6sox-work> then we can figure out what doesnt' work from there.
Jun 16 00:35:55 <ka6sox-work> ie, look at modem, WiFi etc.
Jun 16 00:35:59 <sk1tt1sh> okay i made a private key and it still wont let me sign my ipk. can some one please help me make a key that ipkg-build will accept?
Jun 16 00:37:11 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, are you good?
Jun 16 00:38:25 <BeeRad> +ka6sox-work: ??
Jun 16 00:38:40 <ka6sox-work> did you find what you were looking for?
Jun 16 00:39:29 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, ^^^
Jun 16 00:40:43 <ka6sox-work> sk1tt1sh, I'm just an Infra Guy...thats best left to the REAL Devs.
Jun 16 00:41:44 <sk1tt1sh> i just need a crt and key lol.
Jun 16 00:41:46 <BeeRad> +ka6sox-work: Still trying something. lol I thought you were asking me if I was good at something? I was like...??
Jun 16 00:42:45 <sk1tt1sh> idk wtf i'm doing wrong but i've searched so much on google and i don't understand why ipkg-build keeps denying me and understandably rwhitby is too busy to explain it or refer to a useful source thats noob friendly
Jun 16 00:42:47 * ka6sox-work is showing his age.
Jun 16 00:43:03 * uNiXpSyChO ka6sox-work  was in WW2
Jun 16 00:43:30 <ka6sox-work> no, the one After the one After.
Jun 16 00:43:47 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Jun 16 00:48:01 <sk1tt1sh> Ooooh!
Jun 16 00:48:05 <sk1tt1sh> I almost got it...
Jun 16 00:48:37 <sk1tt1sh> cept it failed cust cert had no start line TRUSTED CERT
Jun 16 00:48:46 * sk1tt1sh smashes head on keyboard
Jun 16 00:49:26 <Jmenbalek> I successfully registered with the wifi with a method from me (luck) , but my english is too limited for explicated :(
Jun 16 00:50:08 <Jmenbalek> i try to explic you :(
Jun 16 00:50:44 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, no problem....
Jun 16 00:50:52 <ka6sox-work> so you have it working (a little?)
Jun 16 00:51:05 <BeeRad> Whats the latest kernel showing up in preware for testing?
Jun 16 00:51:09 <Jmenbalek> when i flash the palm , i have a error but with reboot manual , palm boot good and works with the wifi , but the app first use dissapear with i try to configure that
Jun 16 00:51:27 <Jmenbalek> i have glissed it to the bar app
Jun 16 00:51:29 <Jmenbalek> and miracle
Jun 16 00:51:33 <Jmenbalek> works good
Jun 16 00:51:42 <Jmenbalek> no space reboot
Jun 16 00:51:51 <Jmenbalek> palm i s registered with wifi
Jun 16 00:51:57 <Jmenbalek> you have understand ? lol
Jun 16 00:52:03 <Jmenbalek> sorry for ùmy very bad english
Jun 16 00:52:14 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, better than my French!
Jun 16 00:52:25 <Jmenbalek> lol
Jun 16 00:52:28 <Jmenbalek> thank's
Jun 16 00:52:35 <Jmenbalek> french is difficult
Jun 16 00:52:49 * uNiXpSyChO ka6sox-work speaks French in Russian
Jun 16 00:53:12 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, okay...do send me the doctor's output in a paste so that I can see what,if anything, its complaining about.
Jun 16 00:53:48 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 16 00:53:53 <Jmenbalek> i make thaht
Jun 16 00:53:55 <Jmenbalek> -h
Jun 16 01:05:03 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, do you get any indication of signal on the top bar of Cell Signal?
Jun 16 01:06:11 <Jmenbalek> hum wait a minute man sorry , i unlock my palm with nextgen now
Jun 16 01:07:21 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, 1.4.1-37
Jun 16 01:08:07 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, that I saw last night.
Jun 16 01:09:32 <katie__> i need help with preware on a mac
Jun 16 01:10:26 <bpadalino> 1 minute
Jun 16 01:10:27 <bpadalino> wow
Jun 16 01:10:33 <ka6sox-work> 1 minute
Jun 16 01:10:45 <ka6sox-work> the fastest I saw was <1min
Jun 16 01:10:54 <bpadalino> i saw that one too
Jun 16 01:10:58 <cryptk|wirc> so, I have a question about the new update to govnah... is there a govnah specific channel?
Jun 16 01:11:19 <ka6sox-work> this is it (afaik)
Jun 16 01:11:55 <ka6sox-work> cryptk|wirc, ^^^
Jun 16 01:12:02 <cryptk|wirc> with the new compcache option... is the compcache already patched into the current webos uber kernel?
Jun 16 01:13:01 <cryptk|wirc> and should the toggle for it always revert to false when I leave the governor settings screen?
Jun 16 01:13:40 <sk1tt1sh> what happens if i do ipkg-build and sign it but dont have a keyfile?
Jun 16 01:13:45 <cryptk|wirc> I was very excited to see that it was added to govnah, and the reported swap usage did drop to 0 when I toggled it on the first time
Jun 16 01:16:47 <cryptk|wirc> I guess what I am getting at is I am curious what exactly that toggle is doing.
Jun 16 01:16:57 <ka6sox-work> cryptk|wirc, what kernel are you running?
Jun 16 01:17:11 <uNiXpSyChO>  1.4.1-37 has compcache
Jun 16 01:17:40 <cryptk|wirc> lemme get the exact version
Jun 16 01:17:57 <cryptk|wirc> 1.4.1-21
Jun 16 01:18:08 <cryptk|wirc> preware shows no updates though
Jun 16 01:18:17 <uNiXpSyChO> you need to install from the testing feed
Jun 16 01:18:20 <ka6sox-work> cryptk|wirc, its in the testing feed.
Jun 16 01:18:26 <ka6sox-work> (what he said)
Jun 16 01:18:28 <cryptk|wirc> so I was right that the toggle wasn't doing anything for me, lol
Jun 16 01:18:34 <cryptk|wirc> I have testing feeds
Jun 16 01:19:05 <cryptk|wirc> is there a kernel specific testing feed?
Jun 16 01:19:20 <ka6sox-work> yes
Jun 16 01:19:30 <cryptk|wirc> ahh, can someone link me
Jun 16 01:19:37 <cryptk|wirc> that is what I am missing
Jun 16 01:19:54 <ka6sox-work> <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, start @ http://ipkg.preware.org and drill down...I think its webos-kernels/testing
Jun 16 01:20:19 <cryptk|wirc> I was an ASS and ASSumed that they would be in the same testing feed, lol
Jun 16 01:22:14 <cryptk|wirc> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.1.1
Jun 16 01:22:26 <cryptk|wirc> would that be the link I want?
Jun 16 01:22:29 <ka6sox-work> that looks about right.
Jun 16 01:22:38 <cryptk|wirc> or should I leave off the 1.4.1.1
Jun 16 01:22:49 <ka6sox-work> you need the version.
Jun 16 01:23:15 <cryptk|wirc> and if not, will preware update the version in the feed link automatically or is that a manual deal.
Jun 16 01:24:06 <sk1tt1sh> for real
Jun 16 01:24:28 <cryptk|wirc> ok
Jun 16 01:24:58 <ka6sox-work> cryptk|wirc, you have to manually add the feed.
Jun 16 01:27:20 <ka6sox-work> I guess Jmenbalek got it running
Jun 16 01:27:23 <sk1tt1sh> does anyone use ipkg-build????? gawd
Jun 16 01:29:37 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: most people here just let our autobuilder build the packages, and you have all the source code for that in the preware/build.git repo.
Jun 16 01:31:04 <sk1tt1sh> dude i know but there's no help whatsoever
Jun 16 01:31:07 <sk1tt1sh> its just code
Jun 16 01:31:14 <sk1tt1sh> i've looked at it and looked at it
Jun 16 01:31:21 <sk1tt1sh> and googled all that stuff in it
Jun 16 01:31:32 <sk1tt1sh> and looked at it some more and i don't fkn understnad it dude
Jun 16 01:31:39 <ka6sox-work> whoa
Jun 16 01:32:25 <cryptk|wirc> ka6sox-work: I know I have to add it manually, I was wondering if I have to update the version after an OTA manually, lol
Jun 16 01:32:43 <ka6sox-work> oh,
Jun 16 01:32:45 * ka6sox-work dunnos
Jun 16 01:32:47 <sk1tt1sh> like just some basic instructions would be so helpful. i've got the whole prewarebuild.git thing
Jun 16 01:32:54 <cryptk|wirc> brb, updating to new kernel.
Jun 16 01:32:55 <sk1tt1sh> its so frustrating
Jun 16 01:33:13 <sk1tt1sh> i just need to do 1 thing 1. Thats all then we're golden you'll never hear a peep from me again
Jun 16 01:34:48 <cryptk|wirc> hopefully soon I will have time to update my app... been too busy for too long...
Jun 16 01:35:23 <cryptk|wirc> is the upstart service even used anymore?
Jun 16 01:35:45 <cryptk|wirc> reboot time.
Jun 16 01:38:21 <BeeRad> Awesome, got the feed going. Thanks guys.
Jun 16 01:38:43 <ka6sox-work> enjoy!
Jun 16 01:39:43 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: setting up a custom CA, and generating signing certs and keys from that is well documented on the internet.
Jun 16 01:40:04 <rwhitby> BeeRad: hey
Jun 16 01:40:41 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Hey Rod. Hows it goin?
Jun 16 01:41:00 <rwhitby> BeeRad: good - so you're gonna be doing some uber compcache testing?
Jun 16 01:41:52 <sk1tt1sh> Like this whitby? http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign.html
Jun 16 01:42:23 <sk1tt1sh> rwhitby: I've tried this a few different ways (instead of 4096 i used 1024)
Jun 16 01:42:58 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I'm still trying to get a grasp on some of this stuff. haha It's been fun learning.
Jun 16 01:43:17 <sk1tt1sh> basically get to the last stage got "request.csr" turned to "request.crt" fine, but then I get stuck where the cert works great but I get "unable to load keyfile"
Jun 16 01:43:48 <sk1tt1sh> i've tried using the key used to sign the csr and the key that was made with the ca.crt
Jun 16 01:50:08 <cryptk|wirc> thanks guys, compcache is definitely working now
Jun 16 01:50:14 <BeeRad> Will the Plus models benefit near as much as the non Plus phones with compcache? This is supposed to help with the "too many cards" error, correct?
Jun 16 01:50:24 <ka6sox-work> cryptk|wirc, kewl....enjoy!
Jun 16 01:50:31 <cryptk|wirc> I was stoked when I saw that in the changelog for govnah
Jun 16 01:50:57 <cryptk|wirc> I had actually just set that up on a system at work today and was amazed at the difference
Jun 16 01:52:56 <cryptk|wirc> ok, so my other ? before I had to reboot... will the version numbers in custom feeds update automatically after an OTA or do I need to handjam the updated webos version into the feed url?
Jun 16 01:53:42 * cryptk|wirc wishes his phone wouldn't freeze if it runs below 500 MHz...
Jun 16 01:54:28 <cryptk|wirc> BeeRad: the plus' should have a similar benefiet.
Jun 16 01:55:16 <cryptk|wirc> my testing at work doesn't show any significant diminishing returns until you have enough ram to eliminate swap altogether
Jun 16 01:55:49 <cryptk|wirc> on the pre I would think that would be close to 1 or 1.5 GB ram (educated guess)
Jun 16 01:56:12 <cryptk|wirc> the plus is still below that limit.
Jun 16 01:56:44 <cryptk|wirc> there were gains still on my high ram boxes at work though, but not as much as the weaker systems.
Jun 16 01:56:50 <BeeRad> Ok, so give me an example of some ways I can hammer on this thing to test it out. Forgive my ignorance.
Jun 16 01:57:29 <cryptk|wirc> open 3 or 4 webpages, refresh them all while updating preware feeds, lol.
Jun 16 01:57:51 <BeeRad> Oh so you mean..."be normal". lol
Jun 16 01:57:55 <cryptk|wirc> but that isn't a good benchmarking tool for compcache though
Jun 16 01:57:59 <cryptk|wirc> yep
Jun 16 01:58:19 <ka6sox-work> run 3 3D games while also browsing *and* playing a YouTube video + 27 more cards.
Jun 16 01:58:35 <cryptk|wirc> best would be time a few preware updates and average them, then do the same with a few apps open.
Jun 16 01:58:38 <BeeRad> You got it....
Jun 16 01:58:57 <cryptk|wirc> that may give an indication, but you still have web latency there.
Jun 16 01:59:11 <cryptk|wirc> we really need a benchmarking program...
Jun 16 01:59:55 * cryptk|wirc thinks that would be anice addition to govnah.
Jun 16 02:00:37 <BeeRad> No doubt. A dedicated benchmarking/testing app.
Jun 16 02:00:59 <cryptk|wirc> yep
Jun 16 02:01:15 <cryptk|wirc> even just a front end to something like lmbench
Jun 16 02:01:41 <cryptk|wirc> I can say that it seems like preware updates feeds faster in the background than before
Jun 16 02:01:53 <cryptk|wirc> but no testing yet on that to be sure
Jun 16 02:02:05 <cryptk|wirc> just the good old 'butt dyno'
Jun 16 02:02:09 <ka6sox-work> cryptk|wirc, lemme know when you have it running :D
Jun 16 02:02:34 <cryptk|wirc> ka6sox-work: I may work on that (if I get enough free time)
Jun 16 02:03:14 * ka6sox-work goes back to backing up 13 VMs on the Server....
Jun 16 02:04:25 <BeeRad> 5 3D games, youtube, and a webpage going....
Jun 16 02:04:36 * cryptk|wirc laughs that ka6sox-work only has 13 VM's
Jun 16 02:04:53 <cryptk|wirc> wish I only had to take care of 13...
Jun 16 02:05:22 <ka6sox-work> cryptk|wirc, that isn't my Day Job...thats what I do for OpenSource.
Jun 16 02:05:34 <ka6sox-work> I think I have closer to 29 or so.
Jun 16 02:05:37 <cryptk|wirc> ahh, lol
Jun 16 02:05:54 <cryptk|wirc> yeah I think I have about 30 or so as well...
Jun 16 02:06:05 <cryptk|wirc> changes from day to day though
Jun 16 02:06:25 <ka6sox-work> we keep adding more an doing upgrades so it varies.
Jun 16 02:07:32 <BeeRad> Just got the too many cards.....
Jun 16 02:09:14 <cryptk|wirc> so, close them all, turn compcache off and try again
Jun 16 02:12:39 <BeeRad> Crap! I didnt even have it on.
Jun 16 02:13:24 <cryptk|wirc> so turn it on and try again
Jun 16 02:14:10 <BeeRad> Deer Hunter, Hawx, Lets Golf, NFSU, Super KO Boxing2, YouTube, Engadget webpage, Twee, and then next card gave the error. Thats with compcache OFF.
Jun 16 02:19:21 <cryptk|wirc> BeeRad: you have a plus?
Jun 16 02:19:54 <BeeRad> Yes.
Jun 16 02:21:41 <cryptk|wirc> wirc, jstop, govnah, facebook, messaging app, NFSU, ancient frog...
Jun 16 02:21:47 <cryptk|wirc> on a non plus
Jun 16 02:21:54 <cryptk|wirc> still no too many cards
Jun 16 02:22:04 <BeeRad> Nice.
Jun 16 02:22:34 <cryptk|wirc> and it is as responsive with all of that as a stock pre running nothing
Jun 16 02:22:55 <cryptk|wirc> I have 800MHz, compcache and logging set to error only
Jun 16 02:24:19 <cryptk|wirc> just ran Blocked HB and Quake.
Jun 16 02:24:24 <cryptk|wirc> gettin laggy...
Jun 16 02:25:37 <BeeRad> Holy crap! This is amazing....
Jun 16 02:26:29 <cryptk|wirc> tilt GT, painter, block chalk and exo planets...
Jun 16 02:26:39 <cryptk|wirc> still haven't closed anything
Jun 16 02:26:52 <cryptk|wirc> this is on a non plus, amazing...
Jun 16 02:27:25 <cryptk|wirc> phone is def using swap though, 76MB according to govnah
Jun 16 02:27:57 <cryptk|wirc> dare I run preware?
Jun 16 02:28:24 <BeeRad> Dude....
Jun 16 02:28:26 <BeeRad> wow.
Jun 16 02:30:31 <BeeRad> Deer Hunter, Hawx, Let's Golf, NFSU, SKOB2, Ancient Frog, Paratrooper, Facebook, Twee, Feeds, Top Stocks, Weather Underground web app, Engadget App, Flixter, YouTube, Slacker, Pandora, Google Maps, and Preware. Not a hiccup yet.
Jun 16 02:30:56 <BeeRad> Maybe a tad laggy, but not much.
Jun 16 02:31:17 <cryptk|wirc> preware used to update my selected feeds right at 30 seconds...
Jun 16 02:31:29 <cryptk|wirc> just did it in 45 with all of that running
Jun 16 02:31:43 <cryptk|wirc> I wouldn't even have been able to run all of that before...
Jun 16 02:31:47 <BeeRad> Amazing work.
Jun 16 02:32:05 <cryptk|wirc> I know that with NFSU running I couldn't launch anything else...
Jun 16 02:32:18 <BeeRad> This community is unbelievably awesome.
Jun 16 02:32:25 <cryptk|wirc> yet now I have it, and a ton more, and the phone is still useful...
Jun 16 02:32:44 <cryptk|wirc> palm NEEDS to put this in an OTA
Jun 16 02:32:55 <BeeRad> I think Im going to try and open every single app on my phone.....
Jun 16 02:33:02 <ka6sox-work> now you need to have a 30" screen so you can see it all.
Jun 16 02:33:11 <cryptk|wirc> that would shut up all the naysayers, lol
Jun 16 02:33:19 <cryptk|wirc> ka6sox-work: indeed, lol
Jun 16 02:33:34 <BeeRad> Here goes nothing....
Jun 16 02:33:37 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, thats what I did last night too...
Jun 16 02:33:59 <ka6sox-work> broke with 10MB left available in SWAP.
Jun 16 02:34:40 <dtzWill> cryptk|wirc: which kernel is this? F104? or uber-37?
Jun 16 02:35:33 <ka6sox-work> the world will NEVER know.
Jun 16 02:36:21 <cryptk|wirc> sorry, flicked the wrong card, lol
Jun 16 02:36:27 <dtzWill> cryptk|wirc: which kernel is this? F104? or uber-37?
Jun 16 02:36:44 <cryptk|wirc> Uber
Jun 16 02:36:51 <cryptk|wirc> with compcache enabled
Jun 16 02:37:14 <BeeRad> First 2 pages all open. Page 3 is games. Muahahaha...Then 4 more after that.
Jun 16 02:37:26 <ka6sox-work> cryptk|wirc, -37?
Jun 16 02:37:43 <cryptk|wirc> yes
Jun 16 02:37:55 <cryptk|wirc> had to chech to be sure
Jun 16 02:38:05 <cryptk|wirc> 1.4.1-37
Jun 16 02:38:22 <cryptk|wirc> too bad compcache can't make me spell better, lol
Jun 16 02:38:30 <cryptk|wirc> other than that I love it!
Jun 16 02:38:58 <dtzWill> zsoc: welcome :)
Jun 16 02:39:12 <zsoc> dtzWill: kernel panic ftw
Jun 16 02:39:54 <dtzWill> okay nub question time: where's the latest uber's kept? I can go build it :) but assume the ipk's are kicking around somewhere?
Jun 16 02:39:55 <cryptk|wirc> ouch, I had a whole set of VM's do that within an hour of each other today...
Jun 16 02:40:08 <cryptk|wirc> kernel testing feed
Jun 16 02:40:16 <dtzWill> oh right the /kernel/ testing feed lol
Jun 16 02:40:22 <dtzWill> great, ty
Jun 16 02:40:40 <cryptk|wirc> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.1.1/
Jun 16 02:40:46 <dtzWill> yeah, ty sir
Jun 16 02:41:13 <cryptk|wirc> that and the new govnah, then enable compcache and fall in love all over again
Jun 16 02:41:43 <cryptk|wirc> I wish urls in preware descriptions were hotlinks...
Jun 16 02:43:41 <BeeRad> 21 standard(ish) apps, 5 3D games, and 3 standard games. Then the next card was too much.
Jun 16 02:44:11 <BeeRad> I got Govnah to open! haha
Jun 16 02:44:23 <BeeRad> Running at 42c.
Jun 16 02:44:59 <BeeRad> Memory/Swap is 483/50MB
Jun 16 02:45:33 <uNiXpSyChO> for a Pre Plus the compcache settings should be set higher
Jun 16 02:46:20 <cryptk|wirc> perhaps govnah should look at the amount of system memory and have appropriate defaults.
Jun 16 02:47:16 <BeeRad> This is where my ignorance comes in. I don't have it in manual entry mode. 20MB is all that Govnah would let me set it to in the profile.
Jun 16 02:48:29 <cryptk|wirc> so, if I have preware set to 500/800 screenstate... what speed is the bootup at?
Jun 16 02:48:38 <cryptk|wirc> I would think 800...
Jun 16 02:48:52 <uNiXpSyChO> yep, 800
Jun 16 02:49:24 <ka6sox-work> ^^^ should know.
Jun 16 02:49:25 <RagingMind> if I'm updating from one uber kernel to another and it shows that it's backing up current kernel files, it will still restore to stock when removed, right?
Jun 16 02:49:25 <cryptk|wirc> s/preware/govnah/
Jun 16 02:49:59 <cryptk|wirc> yes, it should...
Jun 16 02:50:39 <cryptk|wirc> it should restore backups (to remove previous uber) then make new backup (what you saw) then install new uber
Jun 16 02:50:53 <cryptk|wirc> that is my understanding at least.
Jun 16 02:51:17 <BeeRad> So what should I set the comcache limit to on a Plus then?
Jun 16 02:51:33 <BeeRad> *compcache
Jun 16 02:51:45 <uNiXpSyChO> probably something around 64-128MB
Jun 16 02:51:52 <uNiXpSyChO> 64 is a good start
Jun 16 02:51:57 <cryptk|wirc> what's more if it tries to install the new uber and detects and kernel mods currently in place, it should fail and not install
Jun 16 02:52:16 <uNiXpSyChO> it does fail
Jun 16 02:52:48 <RagingMind> cryptk|wirc, that's what I was hoping was happening
Jun 16 02:53:37 <cryptk|wirc> odd... govnah doesn't let me change the compcache limit...
Jun 16 02:53:42 <BeeRad> It keeps defaulting back to 20480.
Jun 16 02:54:06 <cryptk|wirc> swap to 30, hit apply, back gesture, click governor... back at 20
Jun 16 02:54:20 <cryptk|wirc> BeeRad: we are seeing the same thing at least.
Jun 16 02:54:27 <BeeRad> Right.
Jun 16 02:54:30 <BeeRad> Its not sticking
Jun 16 02:54:32 <uNiXpSyChO> guess that feature needs to be added.  Pre+ users already have oodles of ram so TMC is not common
Jun 16 02:55:01 * ka6sox-work starts adding compcache to the pixi kernel.
Jun 16 02:55:15 <BeeRad> Oooooo... nice.
Jun 16 02:55:16 <cryptk|wirc> so, uNiXpSyChO any idea why my phone freezes as soon an cpu speed go's anywhere below 500?
Jun 16 02:55:22 <BeeRad> Pixi's could use this big time.
Jun 16 02:55:27 * uNiXpSyChO i should start porting screenstate to the pixi as well
Jun 16 02:55:29 <cryptk|wirc> indeed!
Jun 16 02:55:43 <BeeRad> Pixis with this AND PDK????? whoa.
Jun 16 02:55:45 <cryptk|wirc> may make them as nice as a pre almost, lol
Jun 16 02:56:05 <cryptk|wirc> I haven't tried on -37 yet though...
Jun 16 02:56:13 <uNiXpSyChO> cryptk|wirc: some Pre have a diff rev SoC that doesnt like the low speeds.  alot of users have that problem.  my previous and current Pre runs fine at 125Mhz
Jun 16 02:56:21 <ka6sox-work> I need to point the govnah guys to the right place to add the internal temp sense for the pixi.
Jun 16 02:56:24 <cryptk|wirc> lets take bets... will it go below 500 now?
Jun 16 02:56:50 <cryptk|wirc> I would love to have it at 250 with screen off for battery life...
Jun 16 02:56:55 <ka6sox-work> cryptk|wirc, with SS I can't reliably go below 250
Jun 16 02:57:34 <BeeRad> I seriously want a psycho uber setting. I want 250/1ghz setting.
Jun 16 02:57:36 <cryptk|wirc> possibly brb in 30 seconds or 3 minutes (depending)
Jun 16 02:57:49 <ka6sox-work> since 99% of the time I'm ssh'd/novatermed into my pre its usually @ 250mhz.
Jun 16 02:58:12 <cryptk|wirc> BeeRad: above 800 there is no real gain
Jun 16 02:58:34 <cryptk|wirc> there is a different limiting factor there
Jun 16 02:58:53 <BeeRad> Doesn't matter. haha I want to say I've been there. Shove it in my Android lovin brothers face.
Jun 16 02:59:12 <cryptk|wirc> ok, screenstate 250/800... gonna toggle the screen for a few seconds...
Jun 16 02:59:19 <ka6sox-work> is there an OPP I don't know about?
Jun 16 02:59:36 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-work: its secret
Jun 16 02:59:46 <ka6sox-work> oh crud....sorry.
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