**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 17 02:59:56 2010 Jun 17 03:16:18 is there a good way to make sure I have -all- my phone data backed up? Jun 17 03:16:54 save off /var ? Jun 17 03:17:47 are you using a question mark to indicate that you aren't sure? :p Jun 17 03:18:15 yes Jun 17 03:18:25 but it sounds like a good start Jun 17 03:18:26 :) Jun 17 03:19:03 haha okay Jun 17 03:20:54 Deer Hunter, Hawx, Let's Golf, NFSU, Jump O' Clock, Super KO Boxing 2, Ancient Frog, Paratrooper, Crosswords, and Govnah before TMC popped up. Phone is still very useable. Memory/Swap is 484/5MB right now. Jun 17 03:21:08 34*c Jun 17 03:23:49 BeeRad: this is with compcahce? Jun 17 03:24:04 Tman: Yes. Jun 17 03:24:36 do you have to disable lowmemnoitfy or something? Jun 17 03:25:16 Compcache Memlimit is 128MB Jun 17 03:28:36 I haven't disabled anything. Jun 17 03:29:24 BeeRad: you have a pre+ right? Jun 17 03:29:52 dtzWill: correct Jun 17 03:35:20 everyone running 3 3d games, etc--27 cards, etc lol :( Jun 17 03:35:25 i can barely run 2 Jun 17 03:36:25 i lied lol guess my testing earlier was weak/wrong Jun 17 03:37:51 hah Jun 17 03:38:06 sweet, pre backup utility looks awesome Jun 17 03:46:11 Anyone know if its possible to have dynamic div id's??? Jun 17 03:53:21 dtzWill: you around? Jun 17 03:53:41 Tman: HEY sorry i suck at answering Jun 17 03:54:11 Tman: the 2d on opengles code i pointed you to before was stuff i wrote; it might not be the best and definitely wasn't intended to be instructional (although i have been meaning to generalize it to a library) Jun 17 03:54:46 Tman: and you wanna take a look at either VBA or Xsdl... i'll get you a link in a second Jun 17 03:55:12 dtzWill: I just found a link to VBA git now that I thought of it Jun 17 03:55:37 hah and instructional or not, it's a working example which helps ;) Jun 17 03:56:10 Tman: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=x11/xserver.git;a=blob;f=hw/kdrive/sdl/sdl.c;h=75293efb87aa9532494364d31fdcb28828a86652;hb=HEAD Jun 17 03:56:31 perfect Jun 17 03:56:42 Tman: I think the xsdl example is clearer, shrug. in both cases the related stuff is merged intoa bunch of stuff that isn't related to what you want to do--and for that i'm sorry Jun 17 03:56:49 Tman: let me know if you have any questions :) Jun 17 03:57:01 yeah, I can sort out the noise :p thanks!! Jun 17 03:57:58 mount -t fakeproc fake /proc Jun 17 03:58:30 dtzWill: where's this 3d/2d code? Jun 17 03:59:02 tmzt: the code i linked blits a buffer to a 2d texture the size of the pre's screen Jun 17 03:59:30 tmzt: one could use that to draw 2d on top of a 3d env, or just for faster blitting (I don't pretend to understand why the heck that's faster, but shrug) Jun 17 03:59:35 I only see the Xsdl Jun 17 04:00:08 tmzt: line 529+ onward has a bunch of it Jun 17 04:00:17 ok Jun 17 04:00:59 I've been trying to work with Xorg on cleaning up ddx, I had a proposal for a hybrid kdrive ddx but there were some issues with it Jun 17 04:01:19 one of my goals is to get X working as a library and rendering to various shared memory framebuffers Jun 17 04:01:53 tmzt: oooo that would be nice. to be clear sounds like you know more about X than I do :) Jun 17 04:02:03 no, I wish I did. I'm learning Jun 17 04:02:18 ddx is at least more sane than dix from what I can see Jun 17 04:02:27 * Tman seems to have misplaced his webos doctor.. redownloading x.x Jun 17 04:02:49 tmzt: what issues did you have? kdrive already essentially lets you give it a buffer to render into and hooks for getting input, etc. Jun 17 04:03:06 how different is this than Xephyr as for GLX rendering Jun 17 04:03:11 Tman: meta-doctor can non-destructively clone the filesystems from your device Jun 17 04:03:19 tmzt: very different AFAIK Jun 17 04:03:27 yeah, I want the flexibility of Xorg/xf86 without all the probing Jun 17 04:03:42 rwhitby: hmm i'll look at that. thanks Jun 17 04:03:47 tmzt: this doesn't expose a glx context to the client Jun 17 04:04:00 okay, I see that Jun 17 04:04:05 Tman: it uses an initramfs to pull the LVM volumes off as tar.gz files Jun 17 04:04:06 tmzt: it just uses GL (es) for blitting the image because for whatever reason that's faster Jun 17 04:04:16 tmzt: oh okay, gotcha Jun 17 04:04:34 maybe exa could wrap additional gl textures Jun 17 04:04:40 give it some acceleration Jun 17 04:04:57 rwhitby: clever. that would be nice since all my changes to config files would go with it Jun 17 04:05:18 Tman: yeah, it's a full clone Jun 17 04:05:43 well, it doesn't grab the nvram tokens yet ... Jun 17 04:05:52 tmzt: intresting. i'm not super familiar with exa/the other accel architectures to see how that'd go together, but that sounds nice. Jun 17 04:06:08 tmzt: does exa work with kdrive? (do you know?) Jun 17 04:06:30 tmzt: also i'm hoping to eventually be able to expose the gl context to the client, but we'll see. simpler things like changing orietntation via xrandr come first :) Jun 17 04:06:31 I belive there's some support but it's not complete, or I could be confusing it with Xv Jun 17 04:06:44 yeah, aiglx would be awesome Jun 17 04:06:49 tmzt: kk, ty Jun 17 04:07:06 tmzt: yeah it would :) Jun 17 04:07:26 dtzWill: did you get that kernel with compcache set up yet? Jun 17 04:08:00 how ya been btw, long time no chat Jun 17 04:08:14 been since the FPS ports I think Jun 17 04:08:14 cryptk|wirc: yep yep, was easy peasy--just didn't know where the testing kernels were kept Jun 17 04:08:26 dtzWill: there's another approach which I'm basing my research on Jun 17 04:08:36 they want to have dummy as a more versatile xf86 ddx driver Jun 17 04:08:44 and merge the functionality of Xvfb in there Jun 17 04:08:48 cryptk|wirc: yes it has :). and things are good...haven't been working on any super interesting projects lately. :):). you? Jun 17 04:09:07 just doing linux sysad stuff at work Jun 17 04:09:15 tmzt: oh okay. that makes sense Jun 17 04:09:21 setting up an ubuntu cloud lately Jun 17 04:09:34 do you have a plus or a sprint pre? Jun 17 04:09:56 dtzWill: btw for compcache, are you using the main tree alpha or the compcache kernel on the precentral forums? Jun 17 04:10:08 cryptk|wirc: sprint Jun 17 04:10:10 we are both in uber kernel Jun 17 04:10:11 kernel is still 2.6.24 based? Jun 17 04:10:44 Tman: i'm using uber -37, so presumably the latest tagged stable from the dev branch Jun 17 04:10:45 PERFECT! do you have the optware installer? Jun 17 04:11:02 dtzWill: oh, compcache is in stable? Jun 17 04:11:06 tmzt: yeah--although i think we've ported pieces from other versions Jun 17 04:11:30 Tman: stable as in one level away from "I just made a commit to the git repo" Jun 17 04:11:34 lol Jun 17 04:11:38 lol ok Jun 17 04:11:42 it isn't in stable yet, it is in the testing feed Jun 17 04:12:10 cryptk|wirc: optware installer? those words aren't parsing--closest i think of is ipkg-opt, what do you mean? Jun 17 04:12:20 yes ipkg-opt Jun 17 04:12:24 well they parse but fail sanity check :D Jun 17 04:12:35 cryptk|wirc: errr haha is that not part of preware? :) Jun 17 04:12:43 * dtzWill doesn't remember not having that haha Jun 17 04:12:56 there is a packabe in there for nbench, I wanna compare results with compcache on and off Jun 17 04:13:56 but it takes forever to run it on a pre, I was hoping to find someone else willing to run it side by side (or maybe someone with the time and know how to make an app front end for it Jun 17 04:15:04 I was thinking something that could generate an email with kernel version, settings, nbench results and if any other apps were running while the benchmark was going. Jun 17 04:15:27 then we can compare performance numbers against each other Jun 17 04:15:31 cryptk|wirc: what's the end goal--profiling compcache's effects? Jun 17 04:15:46 oh, and webos version and if it is a plus or not. Jun 17 04:15:52 cryptk|wirc: i think there's no reason to make a webos frontend, sounds like a lot of extra work. scripting it together doesn't sound terribly hard however Jun 17 04:15:57 profiling kernels all together Jun 17 04:16:08 a script would work too. Jun 17 04:16:46 you would have to throw out all results from runs with other apps running (to make the numbers as accurate as possible) Jun 17 04:16:56 cryptk|wirc: gotta be careful with microbenchmarks and using them to discuss an overall metric Jun 17 04:17:11 cryptk|wirc: right, although the kind of people taht'd run it i'd imagine know how to run benchmarks Jun 17 04:17:11 yes, I know Jun 17 04:17:46 yes, but you don't want the general populus jumping on the new thing to taint the results. Jun 17 04:18:01 cryptk|wirc: oh you do mean to ship this to the masses, hmm Jun 17 04:18:28 I am talking as massive of a stat generating effort as possible. Jun 17 04:18:53 I think PuffTheMagic had some massive stat-gathering ambitions too at some point Jun 17 04:18:57 there would have to be a system sitting somewhere to gather the results. Jun 17 04:19:03 don't remember how similar it was; don't think benchmarking was part of it Jun 17 04:19:18 what's the point? Jun 17 04:19:22 I haven't determined what benchmark to use yet though Jun 17 04:20:02 it is more of an informational gathering thing... something to try and either validate or invalidate the 'butt dyno' Jun 17 04:20:23 such as the age old 'is the new webos update really faster' Jun 17 04:20:45 maybe gather things like uptime as well. Jun 17 04:20:45 2.0 will be faster if the information we got today was accurate Jun 17 04:20:58 what info? Jun 17 04:21:05 and 2.0? Jun 17 04:21:21 cryptk|wirc: it's ... those things are hard to measure and need lots of though and some peer review can help Jun 17 04:21:37 yes, it would be a big effort Jun 17 04:21:46 cryptk|wirc: anyway GL on that and i'll help if i can :) however i'm not sold enough to champion the cause myself Jun 17 04:21:51 luckily I have a big statistics background Jun 17 04:23:19 it would be a good tool to generally gauge performance... even if there wasn't the mass gathering of the info, but instead it maintained your results on your pre itself for your own comparison. Jun 17 04:23:39 then let the users interpret the numbers themselves. Jun 17 04:25:04 I would prefer something more like lmbench Jun 17 04:25:32 but it isn't in optware and I haven't had the time to cross compile it yet. Jun 17 04:25:54 dtzWill: you have a toolchain set up right? Jun 17 04:26:31 my home comp got killed by lightning 2 days ago so my chain is no more :( Jun 17 04:29:48 Hello everyone Jun 17 04:30:25 hola Jun 17 04:30:47 replacement power supply should be here by end of week though Jun 17 04:31:08 damn mother nature, lol... slowing my benchmarking... Jun 17 04:31:14 Anyone know if its possible to have dynamic div id's??? Jun 17 04:32:18 cryptk|wirc: lightning? hah Jun 17 04:32:34 we should just use the Phoronix Test Suite Jun 17 04:32:39 cryptk|wirc: err just laughing at the ridiculousness--it's a somber matter itself, a computer dying Jun 17 04:32:57 cryptk|wirc: yeah toolchain Jun 17 04:33:00 luckily I think it is just the power supply Jun 17 04:33:07 The Phoronix guys have previously pinged us regarding putting it in Optware Jun 17 04:33:12 projectAlarum: I have only done that in php... Jun 17 04:33:58 rwhitby: why hasn't it happened yet then? Jun 17 04:33:59 That's what I was afraid of... Jun 17 04:34:04 projectAlarum: http://www.devx.com/tips/Tip/29163 Jun 17 04:34:09 check that out Jun 17 04:34:14 cryptk|wirc: cause you haven't done it? ;) Jun 17 04:34:16 a javascript solution Jun 17 04:34:29 rwhitby: lol... I can't with no computer Jun 17 04:34:42 Thank you Jun 17 04:35:07 cryptk|wirc: I had a lightning strike in the US office on Sunday too. took out cable modem, router, and main network services box. Jun 17 04:37:56 sucks Jun 17 04:39:00 my only question is does phoronix have cmd line versions? Jun 17 04:39:30 cryptk|wirc: thanks a million, I think this might just work Jun 17 04:39:31 or would they need to be ported into the xserver that was/is being developed? Jun 17 04:39:56 cryptk|wirc: I believe it does Jun 17 04:43:29 didn't notice anything about cmd line only on their site, but I will check it out more tomorrow Jun 17 04:43:52 btw everyone, excellent work on the compcache... I love it Jun 17 04:44:36 palm should really put that in the stock kernel... can anyone think of a good reason not to? Jun 17 04:45:53 palm doesn't want you going into swap at all Jun 17 04:46:36 I do however like their name for the oomkiller...oom_late Jun 17 04:47:22 late as in better late than never? Or something else. Jun 17 04:47:30 Ok, so I was here earlier today, couldnt get my problem figured out.....I cannot connect to webOS Quick Install, says Device Not Detected????, I checked on my pc under services.mcs and restarted novacom, i clicked reinstall novacom from within quick install.....but nothing....any ideas? Jun 17 04:48:08 have you tried recovery mode? Jun 17 04:48:09 Ask Jason in the Forum. Jun 17 04:48:19 eait... Jun 17 04:48:27 Get the Palm SDK to be able to connect first. Jun 17 04:48:29 you said QI not doctor, lol Jun 17 04:48:43 I have never in more than a year ever received an answer from Jason Jun 17 04:48:53 he has novacom already... Jun 17 04:48:59 jason is a busy man Jun 17 04:49:19 you can catch him in here sometimes though Jun 17 04:49:31 I just need to figure out why cant i connect Jun 17 04:49:59 can you connect with just novacom? Jun 17 04:50:11 what im actually trying to do is to get into the command line Jun 17 04:50:14 is your phone in dev mode? Jun 17 04:50:22 yes its in dev mode Jun 17 04:50:39 can you connect with just novacom? Jun 17 04:51:04 btw, you can also install openssh from preware and ssh into a command line Jun 17 04:51:07 how do i do that? (im a noob) Jun 17 04:51:20 and that command line is much better than the one in QI Jun 17 04:51:20 ka6sox-work: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Health? Jun 17 04:51:29 no offense to jason meant there Jun 17 04:51:40 jhojho, yeppers. Jun 17 04:51:50 i have on my pc SSH Secure Shell Client installed, but can't connect Jun 17 04:51:58 ka6sox-work, jhojho: SysHealth, right? Jun 17 04:52:01 jhojho, mark it up. Jun 17 04:52:08 openssh is probably the best option for getting a command line on a pre Jun 17 04:52:12 I think that page is from the old name Jun 17 04:52:13 it was originally called just Health Jun 17 04:52:14 i hate markup Jun 17 04:52:15 =) Jun 17 04:52:27 install the openssh server in preware Jun 17 04:52:29 how do you move the page from Health to Syshealth? Jun 17 04:52:30 jhojho, go ahead and move it to SysHealth Jun 17 04:52:33 its on the top Jun 17 04:52:40 a tab that says MOVE. Jun 17 04:52:50 how do i install in preware? Jun 17 04:52:58 then check out the wiki on webos-internals.org for setting up the ssh keys Jun 17 04:53:08 do you have preware Jun 17 04:53:19 i have preware Jun 17 04:53:20 ~preware Jun 17 04:53:25 done Jun 17 04:53:26 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SysHealth Jun 17 04:53:31 jhojho, thanks! Jun 17 04:53:33 i have been able to log onto ssh before, not sure why it wont connect now Jun 17 04:54:10 search for openssh in preware, make sure it is still installed Jun 17 04:54:24 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/250011-ftp-access-your-pre-using-filezilla.html seems to be being used to good effect as a new user guide for openssh too Jun 17 04:54:54 good stuff rwhitby Jun 17 04:55:08 what im actually trying to do is save a file to my computer from the pre Jun 17 04:55:26 rwhitby: so have a question for you. do you mind adding the latest sprint 2010 toolchain to git? Jun 17 04:55:30 wow, just reinstalled openssh in preware... the install generates the keys now, nice Jun 17 04:55:32 i have filezilla Jun 17 04:56:21 follow that link then Jun 17 04:57:34 jhojho: sprint 2010 ? Jun 17 04:57:42 yeah Jun 17 04:57:51 i was reading it, however it asks you to transfer keys via USB, thats another one of my problems, I have one of Jasons paches (just charge), i can't tap for USB Jun 17 04:58:01 jhojho: what is a sprint toolchain? Jun 17 04:58:16 I was thinking that maybe we could have a packaged kernel between uberkernel and the sbromwich/unixpsycho Jun 17 04:58:28 doh not sprint toolchain, arm toolchain =) Jun 17 04:58:36 oh, cs2010 Jun 17 04:58:39 yes Jun 17 04:58:50 yeah, we can do that. Jun 17 04:58:53 cool Jun 17 04:58:56 jhojho-kernel-pre ? Jun 17 04:59:18 jhojho: you've got a pixi plus, right? Jun 17 04:59:23 no Jun 17 04:59:26 no pixi plus Jun 17 04:59:32 just pre, pre plus and pixi Jun 17 04:59:43 ah, pixi- good. Jun 17 04:59:45 here goes... rebooting into -37 kernel Jun 17 04:59:57 jhojho-kernel-pre is fine or we could give it a different name Jun 17 04:59:57 is the pixi- available for bleeding edge testing? Jun 17 05:00:09 not really. I have to do it secretly Jun 17 05:00:16 gf will hurt me if I break her phone Jun 17 05:00:25 ah, ok. Jun 17 05:00:27 jon, tap the notification area where it says that it is chaging and you can swap to usb mode Jun 17 05:00:40 jhojho, I know the feeling...if I break my wife's phone I'm dead too. Jun 17 05:00:45 Jon_: ^^ Jun 17 05:00:58 rwhitby, tommorrow I will have Pixi Plus to test. Jun 17 05:01:01 i'm thinking a version of UK+compcache+latest CS toolchain+compile flags Jun 17 05:01:16 so maybe OptiKernel Jun 17 05:02:04 i'm thinking of this kernel permanently being in the testing feed but sort of an intermediate stage between sbromwitch/unixpsycho and UK Jun 17 05:02:06 jhojho: any reason why we shouldn't just do that to uber? Jun 17 05:02:42 well I sort of like the idea of UK retaining the standard gcc flags + toolchain so we know those arent causing problems Jun 17 05:02:45 (assuming the toolchain and compile flags don't change functional behaviour, but just performance) Jun 17 05:03:08 then if you want to the speedracer version... to use the latest toolchain+flags Jun 17 05:03:12 ooo Jun 17 05:03:16 speedracer kernel Jun 17 05:03:25 is the xserver development defunct or is anyone doing anything with it? that and QT Jun 17 05:03:58 cryptk|wirc, you said a mouthful....thats a tall order taking lots of time. Jun 17 05:04:04 i cant tap the notificvation area, i use to be able to..but this is why i have become an ofical pre hater, one day it works one way, the next it works another... Jun 17 05:04:22 ka6sox-work: I know it is, it was just an idea I had, lol Jun 17 05:04:54 mine lets me tap it... never had a problem tapping notifications... Jun 17 05:05:15 rwhitby: you need to submit http://bit.ly/a1oNvu for the palm mascot contest Jun 17 05:05:33 Because that should definitely be it Jun 17 05:05:45 * cryptk|wirc agrees Jun 17 05:06:09 i have never had issues with my pre, just the connecting issue, and now not being able to tap to change from charge to usb, and can't connect to quick install to remove patches. Jun 17 05:06:32 Tibfib: if that was the Palm mascot, then how would WebOS Internals differentiate from Palm? Jun 17 05:06:41 you can remove patches in preware... Jun 17 05:07:02 not that that fixes the connection issue Jun 17 05:07:11 guys, Im not experienced in linux....i know how to use my phone, but not linux savy...i just want to be able to get a command line so i can copy a file Jun 17 05:07:23 rwhitby: hmmm...yours could have the screwdriver? heh Jun 17 05:07:43 give palm a version without the screwdriver Jun 17 05:07:43 i removed the just charge patch, guess what, after rebooting the phone, still there. Jun 17 05:07:43 install internalz from preware... gui file manager. Jun 17 05:08:01 Tibfib: ginx... lol Jun 17 05:08:13 cryptk|wirc: I definitely won :P Jun 17 05:08:41 rwhitby: how do you determine the -37 in uberkernel? Jun 17 05:08:57 Jon_: weird... Jun 17 05:08:58 do I have to keep govnah open to keep the governor in place? Jun 17 05:09:10 what will file manager do for me? Jun 17 05:09:32 let you view, move rename and copy files Jun 17 05:09:41 jhojho: monotonically incrementing integer Jun 17 05:09:47 yes, this is why i now went to an EVO, but let me not even open up that topic, I really would like to be able to get a command line Jun 17 05:10:04 install terminal from preware Jun 17 05:10:12 the file im trying to opy is the database cntaining SMS Jun 17 05:10:13 rwhitby: do I just check kernels/ and testing-kernels/ ? Jun 17 05:10:19 I have given multiple ways for you to copy files. Jun 17 05:10:26 jhojho: no, check tags in kernels/patches.git Jun 17 05:10:36 you have to tag it there first Jun 17 05:10:59 how do I do that? Jun 17 05:11:09 I only see v1.4.1-31 Jun 17 05:11:37 im looking for internalz, what is this terminal your now mentioning? is it the same as internalz? Jun 17 05:12:01 everyone ok with calling this speedracer-kernel? Jun 17 05:12:14 no, just type in terminal at the main preware window and press enter Jun 17 05:12:19 I love the name Jun 17 05:12:53 ha, i never new you could type in preware like that Jun 17 05:12:54 hrm... wonder if I can manage my hudson box from my pre... Jun 17 05:13:09 yep ;) Jun 17 05:13:43 you can find internalz the same way Jun 17 05:14:15 ok, luna restarting, so how do i go to that terminal? and copy /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 Jun 17 05:15:11 cp /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 /media/internal/ Jun 17 05:15:27 that will put a copy in the USB partition Jun 17 05:15:43 wow, this is quicker than using external client huh? Jun 17 05:15:45 then you need to copy off phone via usb Jun 17 05:15:58 after you get your usb mode working Jun 17 05:16:03 rwhitby: where is toolchain/cs08q1armel/build/arm-2008q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi- Jun 17 05:16:03 ? Jun 17 05:16:25 ssh would be the fastest way Jun 17 05:16:25 that's strange... sbromwich's kernel ends in arm-none-linux-gnueabi- Jun 17 05:16:29 that doesnt make sense Jun 17 05:16:31 then you could scp it Jun 17 05:16:40 yeah, is there any way for me to email it to myself? Jun 17 05:16:50 but you are not a linux person Jun 17 05:17:06 jhojho: the only problem with speedracer name is we're trying to reduce the percieved competition between the multiple kernels Jun 17 05:17:23 you could try renaming it to have a .jpg on the end, then attach the 'image' to an email. Jun 17 05:17:28 then rename it back Jun 17 05:17:50 rwhitby: ok. i'm open to suggestions Jun 17 05:17:51 hows newchain-kernel Jun 17 05:17:59 uberkernel alpha? Jun 17 05:18:12 uberkernel test? Jun 17 05:18:24 uberkernel-2010 Jun 17 05:18:26 I do like the speedracer name though =) Jun 17 05:18:50 uberkernel-SR Jun 17 05:19:01 so then it becomes an inside joke Jun 17 05:19:05 SR71 kernel Jun 17 05:19:13 oooh, me like Jun 17 05:19:27 call it the blackbird-kernel Jun 17 05:19:35 jhojho: I still think we just do it to uber, and if we come across a case where it fails we build against old toolchain to verify Jun 17 05:19:47 but I can be convinced otherwise Jun 17 05:20:05 rwhitby: I'm fine with that if you are Jun 17 05:20:23 I am guessing that theoretical fail would require a doctor more than likely right? Jun 17 05:20:25 but i've seen times where newer toolchains make funny things happen Jun 17 05:21:16 if you were to install it that is... assuming the fail didn't happen during compile Jun 17 05:21:30 jhojho: that is what I was getting at Jun 17 05:21:38 jhojho: so if the idea is for it to track uber, but be new toolchain, then the name should reflect that Jun 17 05:22:03 cryptk|wirc: it's going to be alpha tested first before someone who cares about doctoring gets it Jun 17 05:22:04 rwhitby: pretty much and we can have a package to stage Jun 17 05:22:13 patches Jun 17 05:22:26 since sbromwich and unixpsycho kernels are not packaged Jun 17 05:22:43 jhojho: sbromwich is, and psycho are in the process Jun 17 05:22:51 uberkernel-redux? Jun 17 05:23:10 uberkernel deus ex machina Jun 17 05:23:13 lol Jun 17 05:23:24 uber-kernel-opt-pre Jun 17 05:23:54 how about uber-kernel-blackbird-pre Jun 17 05:24:01 we can then call it the blackbird edition Jun 17 05:24:02 anyone can help me test dcc real quick? Jun 17 05:24:26 so blackbird -> SR71 -> speedracer ? Jun 17 05:24:40 uberkernel-nova Jun 17 05:24:44 lol. I hate naming things Jun 17 05:24:49 novakernel Jun 17 05:24:59 nova is new in latin Jun 17 05:25:09 err novus is Jun 17 05:25:18 uber-kernel-maximus Jun 17 05:25:20 so UK-novis Jun 17 05:25:27 the thing is that functionally it should be identical to uber, so it should start with uber Jun 17 05:25:47 uber-uber-kernel Jun 17 05:25:52 just that more uber Jun 17 05:25:52 lol Jun 17 05:26:00 and the difference in performance will be in the noise for most people, compared to everything else they do to kill performance Jun 17 05:26:11 what happens when someone improves uber-uber-kernel? Jun 17 05:26:23 uber-uber-uber-kernel of course Jun 17 05:26:36 uberkernel-squared Jun 17 05:26:56 uber-kernel-mark-ii Jun 17 05:27:04 so in general, for most bug reports, we only care about the uber name Jun 17 05:27:32 uberkernel++ Jun 17 05:27:42 no va in spanish means "doesn't go" Jun 17 05:27:45 so novakernel means the kernel won't boot? Jun 17 05:27:56 yes, I meant novus Jun 17 05:28:04 which is new in latin Jun 17 05:28:27 okay. i decided Jun 17 05:28:29 if it crashes is that an uber kernel panic? Jun 17 05:28:38 uber-kernel-blackbird Jun 17 05:29:00 jhojho: and?? Jun 17 05:29:01 I just want it to work on the pixi Jun 17 05:29:28 jhojho: awesome, my name won! Jun 17 05:29:38 (i did throw out like 50) Jun 17 05:29:58 ok, i entered cp /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3, and i got a looong Usage: cp [option]...source dest, and some options....what am i suppose to do? Jun 17 05:30:04 I should be able to use -38 right? Jun 17 05:30:17 I will def run it once it is in kernel tesing feeds Jun 17 05:31:05 rwhitby: note that it'll use more patches than just UK since I'll just utilize sbromwich's gcc compile flags Jun 17 05:31:19 Jon_: you forgot the destination Jun 17 05:31:21 jhojho: as long as the functionality tracks uber Jun 17 05:31:29 oh, damn it Jun 17 05:31:32 add ' /media/internal/' Jun 17 05:31:43 space between source and dest Jun 17 05:32:03 so can i just retype it, or is it waiting on me to select an option/ Jun 17 05:32:14 retype it Jun 17 05:32:31 thanks, let see Jun 17 05:32:32 or if you are in terminal, gesture area and 2 at same time Jun 17 05:32:45 and that will bring back prior entries Jun 17 05:32:59 terminal app that is Jun 17 05:35:06 rwhitby: will making the directory name uber-kernel-blackbird-pre make it hard for any of your tools to parse? Jun 17 05:35:24 jhojho: no Jun 17 05:35:43 ok, i typed it as such: cp /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 /media/internal/ and hit enter Jun 17 05:35:49 jhojho: start it in nonworking/ first Jun 17 05:35:57 do i get any confirmation that it went through? Jun 17 05:36:02 (like I'm doing for this pixi kernel ...) Jun 17 05:36:42 oh ok Jun 17 05:37:17 i need you to tell me where you end up putting the cs2010 toolchain so that I can adjust the path Jun 17 05:37:24 looks like the pixi needs a valid sim in it to login to a palm profile Jun 17 05:37:56 rwhitby, I had one and it worked fine..without it bupkis. Jun 17 05:39:51 can I see dcc chat someone to check if something works? Jun 17 05:40:55 Jon_: if it didn't show any errors it went through Jun 17 05:41:14 rwhitby: yeah you need a sim or it wont even get past that screen Jun 17 05:41:23 cool, if only i could now figure out how to get USB, i cant tap the charging notification Jun 17 05:41:23 egaudet: if it works with dcc then you can test with me Jun 17 05:41:37 you can take the sim out after activation though Jun 17 05:42:03 Jon_: try orange+sym+u while connected Jun 17 05:42:07 have a gsm pre plus that works fine without a sim card in it running in wifi mode Jun 17 05:42:12 I think that is for usb mode Jun 17 05:43:18 nothing Jun 17 05:44:03 the pre isn't recognizing that it is plugged into a computer then Jun 17 05:44:27 it must because it says "charging" and its charging Jun 17 05:44:29 jhojho: meta-doctor gets it past the screen, but deeper down it needs the networkId Jun 17 05:44:47 Jon_: no, that means it knows it is getting power Jun 17 05:44:59 2327 apps, sweet. Jun 17 05:45:04 oh Jun 17 05:45:29 you could doctor it, use the latest doc and it won't wipe the usb partition, but that is a last resort... something there is def going on wrong... Jun 17 05:45:34 try a diff usb port Jun 17 05:45:54 is it plugged right into the comp or into a hub? Jun 17 05:46:15 aha, i did on my laptop, and it came right up Jun 17 05:46:19 hub/keyboard or anything other than directly into the comp Jun 17 05:46:27 there ya go Jun 17 05:46:40 copy of the usb partition then Jun 17 05:46:51 and you have your file Jun 17 05:46:54 and my laptop is trying to install it, seems the problem might be on my desktop Jun 17 05:47:02 I bet QI will work on your laptop as well Jun 17 05:47:09 probably Jun 17 05:47:23 there is something with that other comp that is making it not work Jun 17 05:47:41 now, my last question, or well not question, but last thing i would like to figure out....is there any type of sql software, that i can see all my texts in? Jun 17 05:47:52 heh, I was wondering how Preware got onto my new Pixi, but then remembered that meta-doctor does it automatically :) Jun 17 05:48:09 I did see something similar on a friends comp and reinstalling hid USB drivers fixed it Jun 17 05:48:16 may be worth a try Jun 17 05:48:40 rwhitby: lol Jun 17 05:49:00 jhojho, remember our convo the other day about an app that reads the dbs? Jun 17 05:49:13 yeah Jun 17 05:49:18 u built one?!?! Jun 17 05:49:31 look @ Jon_'s last question/request. Jun 17 05:49:32 im sure there is some type of sql reader where i can read this file and sort my text messages right? Jun 17 05:49:51 oh =) Jun 17 05:50:02 Jon_: you could build one Jun 17 05:50:04 Jon_: google would have that answer Jun 17 05:50:08 im actually doing all ths as i am selling my pre, but ned to salvage my file with texts Jun 17 05:50:19 but I know they are out there Jun 17 05:50:24 port sqlite browser to webos Jun 17 05:50:47 Jon_: before you sell it do a secure erase from within device info, then doctor it Jun 17 05:50:53 i have sql lite, but never worked Jun 17 05:51:11 jhojho: he means on a PC Jun 17 05:51:28 he copied the database onto his comp Jun 17 05:51:31 sql lite2009pro is the one i have installed on my pc Jun 17 05:51:41 yes, i have the file now on my pc Jun 17 05:52:10 sqlite browser Jun 17 05:52:19 Jon_: you saw what I said about doing a secure erase first right? Jun 17 05:52:23 is that totally different? Jun 17 05:52:34 that thing will have all kinds of personal info on it... Jun 17 05:52:37 yes, i did, how do you do a secure erase? Jun 17 05:52:45 other than Doctor? Jun 17 05:52:55 doc doesn't do it Jun 17 05:52:56 device info reset options Jun 17 05:53:15 yes, then full erase and then click secure full erase Jun 17 05:53:20 then do a doctor Jun 17 05:53:21 jhojho is sql lite browser different than sql lite2009pro? Jun 17 05:53:37 Jon_: yes Jun 17 05:53:44 cryptk, thanks for the help, couldnt have figured it out without you Jun 17 05:53:59 np man Jun 17 05:54:06 if they are the same, thn i was never able tosee the file with that software, never worked Jun 17 05:54:16 enjoy the droid... I can't stand them personally though... Jun 17 05:54:30 Jon_: they aren't the same Jun 17 05:54:48 oh, ok, sorry, thought you meant yes Jun 17 05:55:05 anyway, sleepy time Jun 17 05:55:11 gl Jon_ Jun 17 05:55:34 and fix your desktops usb problem, lol Jun 17 05:55:38 let me download that one and see if this is what i been looking for, basically im just looking to be able to see all my texts with time/date kind of in the same order as was in the pre Jun 17 05:59:01 anyone seen sbromwich recently? Jun 17 05:59:15 nope Jun 17 06:00:49 wanted to ask him if it's okay to change up makefiletune/armMakefile.digg Jun 17 06:00:53 diff I meant Jun 17 06:02:19 jhojho: the released kernels are always off a tag, so it's always safe to change something if you can't reach him and we all think it's a good idea Jun 17 06:02:39 ok Jun 17 06:03:00 I think that file is missing a -march=armv7-a Jun 17 06:24:57 dtzWill: seems I have the texture-blitting portion working now :) 2 shader-program GLES app.. now I feel legit :D thanks for your help Jun 17 06:31:18 hmm. should we use -mfpu=vfpv3 or -mfpu=neon? Jun 17 06:32:00 * rwhitby dunnos Jun 17 06:32:12 geist would be able to tell us off the top of his head Jun 17 06:33:36 for what, pre? Jun 17 06:33:41 -mfpu=neon Jun 17 06:33:58 thx geist Jun 17 06:34:12 jhojho: put the whole list here so we can have an expert look at it :) Jun 17 06:34:50 geist: have you guys had any problems compiling kernels with more recent toolchains? e.g. cs2010 ? Jun 17 06:34:51 armMakefile.diff Jun 17 06:34:55 +arch-$(CONFIG_CPU_32v7) :=-D__LINUX_ARM_ARCH__=7 $(call cc-option,-mcpu=cortex-a8,-mtune=cortex-a8,-march=armv7-a -Wa$(comma)-mtune=cortex-a8 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -march=armv7-a) Jun 17 06:35:13 geist: i was looking at modifying the cflags for kernel compile Jun 17 06:35:31 +COPTIMIZE = -Os -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a8 -march=armv7-a -mfpu=vfpv3 Jun 17 06:35:40 and yes, for the pre Jun 17 06:36:35 that's fine Jun 17 06:36:47 -mfpu doesn't matter for the kernel, since you can't really use it Jun 17 06:36:58 or should I set -mfpu=neon instead or just dump it Jun 17 06:37:16 can't use floating point in the kernel, so doesn't matter Jun 17 06:37:25 in fact, it might even break it Jun 17 06:37:30 there might be a reason they dont specify it Jun 17 06:37:43 to be honest, i wouldn't mess with the compiler flags for the kernel Jun 17 06:37:51 you will get precisely 0% speed benefit from it Jun 17 06:38:20 geist: how about more recent toolchains from codesourcery? Jun 17 06:38:20 rwhitby: no, but we have had problems with older toolchains. like the one we ship with Jun 17 06:38:29 it has some codegen bugs that i've seen in the kernel at least once Jun 17 06:39:00 so an updated one for our kernels wouldnt' hurt. Jun 17 06:39:07 nah, shouldn't Jun 17 06:39:17 it should not hurt to define -mtune=cortex-a8 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -march=armv7-a though Jun 17 06:39:20 unless it breaks, in which case dont use it Jun 17 06:39:26 jhojho: sure Jun 17 06:39:33 since it's not defined at all. Jun 17 06:39:37 but i seriously doubt you'll se one iota of difference Jun 17 06:40:14 geist: yeah, that's what I said earlier - any difference would be swamped by the things users do to kill their performance anyway Jun 17 06:40:29 any difference would likely not be measurable Jun 17 06:40:47 any sort of heavy lifting the kernel does is generally written in assembly Jun 17 06:41:01 mmmm good stuff. Jun 17 06:41:40 best thing you can do for cortex is pick the right instruction set. armv7 has some definite advantages over armv6 for generic code Jun 17 06:41:46 specifically movw/movt is a big one Jun 17 06:42:03 and if you're using the fpu -mfpu=neon is nice. kernel does not use it so it's irrelevant there Jun 17 06:42:30 geist: touched a pixi for the first time today Jun 17 06:42:42 i kind of like em more to be honest Jun 17 06:42:53 a lot of palm folks carry them for their personal phone Jun 17 06:42:59 got a .eu banded pixi plus shipped via the US for activation Jun 17 06:43:01 smaller, fits in the pocket nicer, etc Jun 17 06:43:28 I like the pixi Jun 17 06:43:34 screen is just too darn small Jun 17 06:43:37 one thing I haven't seen yet is a good pixi teardown article anywhere Jun 17 06:43:43 so do I ...I bought 2 last week! Jun 17 06:43:56 I would love a 2100mhz band pixi plus Jun 17 06:44:25 geist: maybe you know this, is the att gsm pre plus 2100mhz 3g capable but not advertised? Jun 17 06:44:38 i.e. I can take it to a different country and have 3g work? Jun 17 06:45:14 how do you get public IP from C? Jun 17 06:45:45 rwhitby: that's the holy grail for me. eu banded webos device with us activation so I can use it in asia Jun 17 06:46:05 jhojho: I just did exactly that Jun 17 06:46:16 jhojho, I did exactly that for him Jun 17 06:46:30 swisstomcat purchased it in switzerland, and shipped it via ka6sox Jun 17 06:46:35 but instead i have 2 att gsm pre pluses. Jun 17 06:46:45 but they were free so i'm not complaining Jun 17 06:46:51 and i forwarded it on to him. Jun 17 06:47:46 oooh gotta go. hookah bar down the street has some goings on Jun 17 06:47:49 can't turn that down :) Jun 17 06:49:21 thx geist Jun 17 06:50:01 laterz geist Jun 17 06:51:42 Tman: good news :D. that's excellent. and it works? performs well enough? :D Jun 17 06:57:06 interesting. I did not know that the pre kernel was compiling to Os instead of O2 Jun 17 07:05:47 ram is the most precious resource on a Pre Jun 17 07:08:56 morning Jun 17 07:20:10 rwhitby: but I never looked closely at the compile flags Jun 17 07:40:09 ~7 principles Jun 17 07:40:28 ~infobot? Jun 17 07:40:29 ka6sox-work, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo Jun 17 07:40:39 heh Jun 17 07:42:06 ka6sox-work: http://bit.ly/next-gen-kernels Jun 17 07:42:28 ~infobot 7Principles is http://bit.ly/next-gen-kernels Jun 17 07:42:29 ka6sox-work: okay Jun 17 07:43:09 ~7principles Jun 17 07:43:11 7principles is probably http://bit.ly/next-gen-kernels Jun 17 07:43:15 heh Jun 17 07:43:22 ~hgoh Jun 17 07:43:24 hgoh is probably the Holy Grail of Homebrew, which can be found at http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew Jun 17 07:43:30 k Jun 17 07:52:03 ~infobot forget 7principles Jun 17 07:52:04 ka6sox-work: i forgot 7principles Jun 17 07:52:14 q: where is the app catalog app stored on the phone? Jun 17 07:53:22 ~infobot 7Principles is The 7 Principles of next generation kernel packaging found @ http://bit.ly/next-gen-kernels Jun 17 07:53:23 ka6sox-work: okay Jun 17 07:53:35 ~7principles Jun 17 07:53:37 7principles is, like, The 7 Principles of next generation kernel packaging found @ http://bit.ly/next-gen-kernels Jun 17 07:53:47 heh Jun 17 07:53:50 hi Jun 17 07:53:54 hi Jun 17 07:54:05 wow, this is a big channel Jun 17 07:54:08 'lo Jun 17 07:54:50 so you guys create webos applications? Jun 17 07:55:19 oddalot: www.webos-internals.org and www.preware.org Jun 17 07:55:21 sometimes Jun 17 07:55:42 i'm thinking of creating a game Jun 17 07:55:53 well...the game is created, just making an application for the palm Jun 17 07:56:00 err pre i mean Jun 17 07:56:07 great Jun 17 07:56:48 seems like a good platform to create it on Jun 17 07:56:59 and hopefully they will come out with a tablet, you think? Jun 17 07:56:59 oh yes Jun 17 07:57:07 also on printers Jun 17 07:57:19 it's a fantastic platform for web development Jun 17 07:57:46 stinks that the ui guy left palm Jun 17 07:58:12 but now they hired a new sdk .. a former developer Jun 17 07:58:16 sdk guy Jun 17 07:58:51 cool, i still use my palm pilot too this day Jun 17 07:59:03 they wrote so many programs for it Jun 17 07:59:21 yeah, those were the times Jun 17 07:59:28 us robotics palm pilot Jun 17 08:00:09 hmmm....lets see....all my code for my program was written in C Jun 17 08:00:24 what are palm programs written in? Jun 17 08:00:33 errr sorry, pre i mean Jun 17 08:00:35 html/css/javascript Jun 17 08:00:42 or Jun 17 08:00:46 c/c++/sdl Jun 17 08:00:56 oh good Jun 17 08:01:07 download the sdk and start playing Jun 17 08:01:09 yeah, i don't think i could write it all in javascript Jun 17 08:01:10 developer.palm.com Jun 17 08:02:16 geeze, i'm going to have to go through all this code and remember what the heck i was doing Jun 17 08:02:21 maybe i should just start over Jun 17 08:02:34 what is this ares thing on that page? is it worth using? Jun 17 08:02:50 yeah Jun 17 08:02:52 pretty cool Jun 17 08:02:59 a visual builder for web apps Jun 17 08:03:18 oh, i'll have to make it web based on a later release Jun 17 08:03:26 for now it will just be one player i guess Jun 17 08:03:32 http://www.linuxtogo.org/~mickeyl/misc/LinuxTag10.pdf Jun 17 08:03:41 just saw that Jun 17 08:04:20 oddalot: most of the apps developers hang out in #webos - this is the channel for the Linux guys who get under the hood Jun 17 08:04:34 (FYI, not asking you to leave or anything :) Jun 17 08:05:42 i use linux when i'm writing code Jun 17 08:06:08 but i'm playing go, and watching videos so i'm on windows Jun 17 08:07:08 so this channel is on freenode? Jun 17 08:07:19 i don't think i've ever used it, i usually only did efnet Jun 17 08:08:13 well...i don't think i will need to get under the hook too much Jun 17 08:08:29 if it's just a game that doesn't use most of the hardware capabilities Jun 17 08:09:22 hmmm do i need +v or something in #webos Jun 17 08:10:33 you need to be registered to talk there Jun 17 08:11:16 yes Jun 17 08:12:18 how many people use palm pres, anyone know? Jun 17 08:12:51 approx. 1 million Jun 17 08:12:58 that's what i heard Jun 17 08:13:57 is there a free oldstyle palm os emulator for the webos? Jun 17 08:14:40 classic Jun 17 08:14:42 not free Jun 17 08:16:10 all right, 30 dollars Jun 17 08:16:13 thanks palm Jun 17 09:32:27 * rwhitby-pixi thanks Palm for adding manual APN setting Jun 17 09:33:56 swisstomcat: this pixi has funny characters over the a and b where & and - _ Jun 17 09:34:03 are meant to be Jun 17 09:34:20 hmm Jun 17 09:34:29 i have & over a Jun 17 09:34:38 # over b Jun 17 09:34:53 which ones do you have? Jun 17 09:34:59 sorry, a and s Jun 17 09:35:20 a=& s=- Jun 17 09:35:28 and i have a o2 german pre Jun 17 09:35:36 take a pic? Jun 17 09:35:48 and u and o Jun 17 09:35:48 accented characters Jun 17 09:35:48 and & is over the , Jun 17 09:36:13 hmm Jun 17 09:36:30 oh, that could be that they changed the kb for the plusses Jun 17 09:36:38 ä ö ü? Jun 17 09:37:42 can't at the moment Jun 17 09:37:43 yes Jun 17 09:39:12 ah, they put the most used accented characters directly on the keyboard then for the plusses Jun 17 09:39:27 now you only need to learn german :) Jun 17 09:39:27 looks like it Jun 17 09:40:03 I now wonder how hard it is to replace pixi keyboards ... Jun 17 09:41:38 hmm - pixi plus is only 200MB ram total to linux Jun 17 09:41:51 less than pre- Jun 17 09:46:22 :( Jun 17 09:46:37 ram is so cheap these days Jun 17 09:47:25 if you have a job maybe Jun 17 09:47:26 i'm broke Jun 17 09:47:29 and jobless Jun 17 09:47:34 i hope to find a job in san francisco Jun 17 09:47:45 i'm moving there in a few days Jun 17 09:59:47 cool Jun 17 09:59:49 SF is nice Jun 17 10:59:26 hello Jun 17 11:04:51 some here? Jun 17 11:07:11 yes Jun 17 11:08:41 hi Jun 17 11:09:04 g'day Jun 17 11:09:37 what coincidence ,i have sent you a private message!! Jun 17 11:10:32 note that the webOS EULA specifically only allows use on webOS devices, BTW. Jun 17 11:10:48 hello Jun 17 11:11:01 i imagine Jun 17 11:11:14 but if you have an licence? Jun 17 11:11:21 similar to macosx and hackintosh Jun 17 11:11:31 it would be great for developing Jun 17 11:11:43 (beagle board has same hardware than pre) Jun 17 11:11:51 it is against the terms of the EULA Jun 17 11:12:21 you have no other rights to use those proprietary files Jun 17 11:13:10 but you can start with the kernel and get that running first without any legal problems Jun 17 11:13:11 i see Jun 17 11:13:23 i am trying load the kernel Jun 17 11:13:44 my idea is or load the nova-instaler-image-castle-uImage Jun 17 11:13:55 or load the uimage which cames on rootfs Jun 17 11:14:44 a question Jun 17 11:14:56 the nova'instaler ramdisk Jun 17 11:15:02 create the filesystem? Jun 17 11:15:18 or only delete the old files and create news Jun 17 11:15:46 you should take a look at the MetaDoctor makefile Jun 17 11:15:56 that shows how to ramboot and access the filesystems Jun 17 11:16:16 a Jun 17 11:16:21 you can provide a different webOS.tar file for the webOS Doctor to use too Jun 17 11:16:34 interesting Jun 17 11:17:20 the filesystems are created by trenchcoat, under the control of an XML file passed to it from the webOS Doctor during execution Jun 17 11:18:05 an example Jun 17 11:18:14 if you format and deleted partitions of pre Jun 17 11:18:29 you can redo all with trenchcoat Jun 17 11:18:30 no? Jun 17 11:18:38 yes Jun 17 11:18:48 dani: trying to run webos on a beagleboard? Jun 17 11:18:55 yes Jun 17 11:19:03 in fact the webOS doctor does that each time, except for the media partition Jun 17 11:19:06 i wanna a tool for testing Jun 17 11:19:26 cool Jun 17 11:19:31 dani: have you seen this: http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-ESK/Beagle+Embedded+Starter+Kit Jun 17 11:20:30 yes Jun 17 11:20:53 i was thinking on bought but first i would like some advances with qemu Jun 17 11:21:47 it would be a cool project Jun 17 11:22:06 i tried some but creating all at hand Jun 17 11:22:44 where are you from? Jun 17 11:22:53 spain Jun 17 11:23:01 we beat you yesterday ;) Jun 17 11:23:41 football Jun 17 11:23:47 soccer Jun 17 11:23:47 i dont like :p Jun 17 11:23:49 yes Jun 17 11:23:50 yes Jun 17 11:25:36 i posted what i was trying here Jun 17 11:25:36 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2502047&posted=1#post2502047 Jun 17 11:26:29 but it seems could be more simple according <+rwhitby>'s comment Jun 17 11:29:22 could you change the append lines also?? Jun 17 11:29:38 on normal novainstaler are : Jun 17 11:29:39 root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk=32768 ro fb=0x8f600000 fbcon=disable console=tty1 nduid=ea413b0b980b26d75c6658199d532472049644ae klog=0x8ff00000 klog_len=0x100000 boardtype=castle-dvt3 dsp_base=0x8f900000 dsp_len=0x600000 lastboot=recover Jun 17 11:30:24 i have splited nova-instaler-image-castle-uImage on kernel and ramdisk Jun 17 11:30:29 files Jun 17 11:39:02 hmm Jun 17 11:39:09 does the at&t pre have 1.4.2 as well? Jun 17 11:40:01 rwhitby where is the makefile?? Jun 17 11:40:14 i am searching them but i dont found Jun 17 11:40:53 the other day i only extract the part i needed Jun 17 11:42:46 hello Jun 17 11:42:51 hi Jun 17 11:43:30 hi Jun 17 11:43:45 whens flash coming to webos? Jun 17 11:43:58 when it will come Jun 17 11:44:05 dani_: git.webos-internals.org Jun 17 11:44:31 no1everdoes: you may want to ask the Palm people in the official #webos channel Jun 17 11:44:50 i've heard different things Jun 17 11:45:03 thanks Jun 17 11:45:21 that it's ready and the hp merger is holding it up or that it's not ready and adobe is working on it Jun 17 11:45:35 but no official statement Jun 17 11:51:46 so elet me get this str8 no flash...no 3rd party web browsers ? Jun 17 11:51:47 excuse me the question,maybe a little silly but i am unable to found the makefile :( Jun 17 11:52:27 no1everdoes: there's an experimental port of firefox Jun 17 11:52:35 and now flash yet Jun 17 11:52:49 no^^ Jun 17 11:53:41 experimental port of firefox? Jun 17 11:54:01 word.. Is that in preware yet? Jun 17 11:57:02 firefox in preware yet? Jun 17 11:58:06 jhojho: Feel free to experiment but be prepared, there's some combinations that bring crashiness into your life ;-) Jun 17 12:00:25 no kidding..that'll be awesome! Jun 17 12:00:38 what's the name of the app? Jun 17 12:01:41 mmm Jun 17 12:01:45 qemu freeze Jun 17 12:01:52 dani_: tools/meta-doctor.git Jun 17 12:01:58 no1everdoes: I think http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2010/04/Firefox-running-on-the-Palm-Pre-mostly is what you're after Jun 17 12:02:21 http://www.oxymoronical.com/ Jun 17 12:02:23 yeah Jun 17 12:02:31 thanks Jun 17 12:02:57 ok, Pixi recovery kernels are done and released. Now to rebuild one from scratch. Jun 17 12:03:16 *thumbs up* Jun 17 12:03:20 now i need a pixi :) Jun 17 12:03:43 better pixi plus Jun 17 12:11:57 i must go Jun 17 12:11:57 bye Jun 17 12:11:59 and thanks Jun 17 12:18:12 so, a pixi uber-kernel should just have compcache and lowmemnotify patches Jun 17 12:31:34 heh, sirloin defconfig is not going to work too well for a pixi build :) Jun 17 13:09:27 Hello anyone online? Jun 17 13:10:39 I'm having an issue downloading "Pre Backup Utility" from Preware. It just sits on downloading/installing and never downloads. Jun 17 13:11:37 hi Jun 17 13:23:18 now, let's see if this pixi kernel with compcache installs Jun 17 13:24:26 rebooting ... Jun 17 13:25:30 glowing is a good sign Jun 17 13:25:35 :) Jun 17 13:26:07 novaterm connects Jun 17 13:26:13 kernel modules are in the right spot Jun 17 13:27:46 Linux version 2.6.24-palm-chuck (v1.4.1-38@org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pixi) (gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51)) #2 PREEMPT Thu Jun 17 22:49:47 CST 2010 Jun 17 13:27:57 UberKernel makes it's Pixi debut Jun 17 13:28:41 congrats Jun 17 13:29:12 didn't like the compcache modules, but that's probably cause it's got cortex-A8 compile flags in the out-of-tree Makefile :) Jun 17 13:29:43 I keep telling people to forget about arch-specific compile flags, but no-one listens ... Jun 17 13:39:56 * rwhitby rebuilds the pixi kernel Jun 17 13:40:58 hi again Jun 17 13:41:11 rehi Jun 17 13:41:24 swisstomcat: yep, the ramzswap module kills the kernel on pixi, probably due to cortex-a8 flags Jun 17 13:41:35 ouch Jun 17 13:42:09 * rwhitby has never been much of a ricer Jun 17 13:42:37 can anyone do an lsmod on a stock pixi ? Jun 17 13:42:42 hey guys! Jun 17 13:42:55 hi Jun 17 13:43:10 i am reading MetaDoctor's makefile as you told me Jun 17 13:43:16 but i am a little confuse Jun 17 13:43:18 need some help with preware :-( Jun 17 13:44:24 go ahead Jun 17 13:44:49 ~ask Jun 17 13:44:50 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jun 17 13:45:13 i've downloaded and installed a theme, but nothing happened, everything is still the same...i restarted twice, no effect... Jun 17 13:45:13 yeah, i'm a channel slave :) Jun 17 13:45:25 ok Jun 17 13:45:31 i was reading the makefile again Jun 17 13:45:39 i wanna create a filesystem Jun 17 13:45:42 with doctor Jun 17 13:45:48 and use on qemu-arm Jun 17 13:45:59 (yes i know legal isues) Jun 17 13:46:01 Gusman: preware does nothing special for themes, all the installation logic is in the package. if it's from the prethemer feed, you need to talk to prethemer.com about it Jun 17 13:46:07 but it seems i need novacom Jun 17 13:46:24 yes, you can't do much with the doctor without novacom Jun 17 13:46:36 ithis is the problem Jun 17 13:46:49 my main idea was load kernel and ramdisk on qemu Jun 17 13:47:10 and use this for create the full filesystem Jun 17 13:47:34 ok, thx Jun 17 13:48:04 i tried splitting the uImage which cames for use with novacom Jun 17 13:48:11 but it doesnt work Jun 17 13:49:04 some ideas? Jun 17 13:49:35 nope Jun 17 13:49:56 dani_: I suspect your best bet is to talk to the freesmartphone.org guys Jun 17 13:51:03 ok Jun 17 13:51:29 a last qestion Jun 17 13:51:44 are some way of make a full backup of a pre Jun 17 13:51:53 all partitions,data... Jun 17 13:51:54 yes, the meta-doctor clone target does that Jun 17 13:52:04 you would have seen it in the makefile Jun 17 13:52:21 but i was not sure if this could create a file Jun 17 13:52:26 with all file system Jun 17 13:53:01 it's creates a number of .tar.gz files Jun 17 13:54:25 mmm Jun 17 13:55:20 root@palm-webos-device:/lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-chuck/extra# swapon -s Jun 17 13:55:21 Filename Type Size Used Priority Jun 17 13:55:21 /dev/ramzswap0 partition 204792 0 0 Jun 17 13:55:27 yes, that's a pixi Jun 17 13:57:17 but it gives tar.gz Jun 17 13:57:31 that is correct Jun 17 13:57:34 va-cust-image-${CODENAME}-varfs.tar.gz Jun 17 13:57:43 yep Jun 17 13:58:27 i wanna a full file with all Jun 17 13:58:30 similar to do with Jun 17 13:58:33 dd if Jun 17 13:58:38 of a partition or disk Jun 17 13:58:46 after i have problem with lvm Jun 17 14:00:16 so change the Makefile to do that Jun 17 14:01:12 the idea would be using the ramdisk for create a dd of device no? Jun 17 14:01:25 and after send to computer Jun 17 14:01:50 the file cloned Jun 17 14:02:08 just dd it over the novacom connection Jun 17 14:02:21 but all device is mounted Jun 17 14:02:53 when i do a dd of a partition it is best with a livecd and no mount units Jun 17 14:06:37 dani_: read the Makefile. you can memboot and not mount the LVM partitions Jun 17 14:12:30 also without mounting the other no? Jun 17 14:12:55 (excuse me i am new with novacom.Usually i play with linux on x86 and it is simplier Jun 17 14:12:57 ) Jun 17 14:14:11 novacom -w boot mem://webOS/nova-installer-image.uImage Jun 17 14:14:33 it should boot on ramdisk similar to bootcd on pc Jun 17 14:14:35 no? Jun 17 14:19:43 and after Jun 17 14:19:53 novacom -w run file://bin/cat /dev/mmcblk0 > imagen Jun 17 14:28:01 bbl Jun 17 14:29:34 does i need call tellbootie?? Jun 17 14:37:28 hey guys, quick question. Anyone know how to get the HA or AAA shared secret keys without ##diag#? If not, does anyone know if an original webosdoctor would allow me to get ##diag# working again? Jun 17 14:40:29 i have readed again and i belive it should work with this Jun 17 14:40:42 first load the ramdisk Jun 17 14:41:17 novacom -w boot mem://webOS/nova-installer-image.uImage Jun 17 14:41:50 it should do some similar to load a bootcd,because it use root=/dev/ram0 Jun 17 14:41:57 and after a cat Jun 17 14:42:26 of full disk Jun 17 14:42:27 novacom -w run file://bin/cat /dev/mmcblk0 > imagen Jun 17 14:42:48 what do you think rwhitby ? Jun 17 14:43:22 dani_ is that for me, or for someone else? Jun 17 14:43:44 skylink: wrong channel for modem hacking Jun 17 14:43:58 ah okay sorry, is there a better channel for that? Jun 17 14:44:07 I believe there is one on efnet Jun 17 14:44:08 i asked +rwhitby Jun 17 14:46:06 +rwhitby? Jun 17 14:46:34 dani_: why cat? is it 8 bit clean? Jun 17 14:48:36 i dont understand Jun 17 14:48:52 cat for make a full image Jun 17 14:48:55 similar to Jun 17 14:49:05 cat /dev/hda > file Jun 17 14:49:10 on my linux box Jun 17 14:49:11 no? Jun 17 14:50:03 mmcblk0 is the full disk Jun 17 14:50:06 mmcblk0p1 Jun 17 14:50:08 mmcblk0p2 Jun 17 14:50:10 mmcblk0p3 Jun 17 14:50:13 the partition Jun 17 14:50:24 only doing full disk would be perfect Jun 17 14:54:28 after i could use losetup and/or kpartx if i need Jun 17 15:00:03 would this work,+rwhitby? Jun 17 15:00:18 dani_: why don't you just try it? Jun 17 15:00:26 i have not here the phone Jun 17 15:00:39 until i did not arrive next week at home Jun 17 15:00:44 i could not make real test Jun 17 15:00:48 on my dad phone Jun 17 15:00:50 :( Jun 17 15:01:00 for this i asked you Jun 17 15:14:57 i must go Jun 17 15:14:58 thanks Jun 17 15:15:00 bye Jun 17 15:40:41 rwhitby: Even with the newest kernel, when selecting screenstate 250/800 and monitoring the screen dim (at 9% brightness) Govnah still only reporting that the CPU dips to 500mhz. Not 250. I haven't confirmed this with the command line though, just observing Govnah. Jun 17 15:41:26 BeeRad: it certainly dipped on my test device, cause that device craps out at 125MHz :) Jun 17 15:42:40 rwhitby: Observed in the CL or just in Govnah? Jun 17 15:42:55 CL Jun 17 15:43:00 Ok. Jun 17 15:44:13 In Layman's speak, could you explain why Govnah doesn't report the lower frequencies? Jun 17 15:44:23 On the device. Jun 17 15:45:05 nope Jun 17 15:45:09 it should Jun 17 15:45:49 BeeRad: do you have a Pixi? Jun 17 15:46:15 rwhitby: Nope. Not yet. Emphasis...yet. Jun 17 15:48:40 This is maddening. I have this setup exactly how I want and it's not showing me on the graph. 250/800 screenstate and graph only shows dip to 500. I know I'm being redundant. Sorry. Jun 17 15:53:51 rwhitby: Can you verify what I'm seeing? On your Pre/Pre+ setup 250/800 screenstate, set your screen brightness to 9%, and set your screen to shut off in 30sec. Wait for the screen to dim right before shutting off and tell me what Govnah reports the freq. dip goes to. Jun 17 15:58:18 BeeRad: nope, I can't, cause I'm going to bed now. 1;30am Jun 17 15:58:34 rwhitby: Sleep well. Cya. Jun 17 17:04:18 hi Jun 17 17:04:21 again Jun 17 17:05:54 hi again Jun 17 17:06:50 <+rwhitby> are you online? Jun 17 17:08:57 cualquiercosa327: i think rwhitby is sleeping at the momeny Jun 17 17:08:59 moment* Jun 17 17:09:03 a ok Jun 17 17:09:08 thanks Jun 17 17:09:18 i was chating before Jun 17 17:09:34 i have a problem Jun 17 17:09:44 i wanna make some test on qemu and beagle board Jun 17 17:09:50 with webos Jun 17 17:10:05 but i could not will have access to palm pre Jun 17 17:10:11 to make an filesystem image Jun 17 17:10:17 could someone do one? Jun 17 17:20:16 hello Jun 17 18:02:03 wgrumbl Jun 17 18:02:17 i have already this f*****g error Jun 17 18:35:23 can anyone tell me why using alsa directly might cause pulseaudio to use the CPU? Jun 17 18:35:31 the goal was to bypass it -_- Jun 17 18:36:24 One of the goals of PulseAudio is to reroute all sound streams through it, including those from processes that attempt to directly access the hardware (like legacy OSS applications). Jun 17 18:36:25 nuts Jun 17 18:37:23 In a typical installation scenario under Linux, the user configures ALSA to use a virtual device provided by PulseAudio. Thus, applications using ALSA will output sound to PulseAudio, which then uses ALSA itself to access the real sound card. -- seriously? Jun 17 18:41:49 pulseaudio is a frontend to alsa. alsa is the kernel interface to sound, the kernel uses the CPU Jun 17 18:50:28 Hiya Mousey wanna try something that is dangerous with your pre? Jun 17 18:50:38 um.. no? ^_^ Jun 17 18:50:55 awwww...come on....live a little! Jun 17 18:51:00 what is it? Jun 17 18:51:31 Just say yes! :D Jun 17 18:52:23 throw it as hard as possible into boiling hot water and then grab it out as fast as possible Jun 17 18:52:32 unlock supercore mode Jun 17 18:53:04 Heyy Jun 17 18:55:20 egaudet: ouch Jun 17 18:55:28 so far it's not booting. Jun 17 18:55:31 and my hand kinda hurts Jun 17 18:56:36 lol Jun 17 18:56:48 you must have mistimed it! sorry, forgot teh warnings Jun 17 19:01:33 Mousey, why ur hand hurts? :P Jun 17 19:01:49 egaudet_work> throw it as hard as possible into boiling hot water and then grab it out as fast as possible Jun 17 19:02:06 dammit. so how to i reset? Jun 17 19:02:17 wow, my hand really hurts.. its turning red now too Jun 17 19:02:52 Lobster hands. Jun 17 19:06:13 oh, i was supposed to use both hands?! Jun 17 19:42:08 my understanding is that .39 does not have compcache enabled by default, how would i enable it? my govnah is .42, which does not have the setting available (testing + standard feeds enabled) Jun 17 19:52:16 LOL i've been streaming music from my desktop to work via my pre for days... and was wondering why it stuttered so much (maybe once every hour or so) /and/ why my battery was choking regardless of it being on the touchstone Jun 17 19:52:43 long story short it wasn't b/c it was at 800mhz.. it's b/c after doctoring my phone it didn't know how to connect to wifi :D Jun 17 19:54:13 so despite wifi being on i've apparently been streaming 192 kb/s mp3's for days haha Jun 17 19:54:17 and that i'm a dumbass sometimes :( Jun 17 19:56:14 dtzWill: what application comination you use for the steamin to work? Jun 17 19:58:57 hape: mpd+icecast Jun 17 19:59:46 mpd lets me control it easily, either from a nice client at work or ssh in and any number of console clients... also i how i stream music around my house :) Jun 17 20:00:04 long been wanting an mpc (mpd client) for my pre :) Jun 17 20:06:10 try to understand ist. icecast is the streming part and mpd tells him what to stream Jun 17 20:06:50 so you can use the 'normal' Pre play to play the strem and how do you connect to mdp to tell him what to strem Jun 17 20:06:56 With ssh? Jun 17 20:29:02 http://tmandry.dreamhosters.com/rta-1.png :) Jun 17 20:33:00 hape: icecast is the streaming part, yep. just point the pre's browser at my stream Jun 17 20:33:12 hape: from my workstation i ssh in and control mpd usually Jun 17 20:33:34 hape: although the mpd protocol is such that there's no reason i couldn't run my mpd client /from/ work Jun 17 20:33:40 and have a nice little frontend :) Jun 17 20:34:28 dtzWill: see link above for what you helped to make :p not finished of course Jun 17 20:35:15 unfortunately trying to take a fullscreen screenshot resulted in all-black.. so I had to use card view Jun 17 20:36:09 dtzWill: Thnaks for the info. Need to think about that Jun 17 20:51:44 Tman: nice! :D Jun 17 20:51:54 Tman: very happy it was in some capacity useful :):) Jun 17 20:52:10 Tman: fast turnaround on your part too hehe took me days to wrap my head around that, but i'm not a graphics guy :( Jun 17 20:52:51 Tman: yeah if that was at all a mystery it's b/c the gl stuff doesn't use the normal framebuffer device (/dev/fb0). all gl apps (games/etc) have black screenshots Jun 17 20:53:17 Tman: you can try peeking at /dev/fb1 iirc but i think that's just texture memory and won't work super well. shrug, I don't remember the details :):) Jun 17 20:53:48 there's fbcat to take screenshots of SDL apps Jun 17 20:58:37 dtzWill: ha ok. I had already coded some stuff weeks earlier with your code so I had the fft plot mostly working already Jun 17 21:00:20 egaudet_work: does it work with opengl? Jun 17 21:01:17 PuffTheMagic: would know, I'm not even sure where it is Jun 17 21:01:38 ok Jun 17 21:07:05 Tman, egaudet_work it does not work with gl apps, only sdl ones Jun 17 21:11:26 hi Jun 17 21:23:07 sbromwich: testing to avoid the crashiness =) Jun 17 21:23:22 sbromwich: I commited the changes last night. have a look to see if you are okay with it. Jun 17 21:42:00 hello Jun 17 21:42:32 how do i get preware onto my phone Jun 17 21:44:28 i was able to get into develpor mode but dont know what to do after Jun 17 22:41:38 pfiou Jun 17 23:13:50 I'm trying to build the widk, but it keeps hanging on the make stage step. any suggestions? Jun 17 23:15:07 mdordal, what is it trying to stage? Jun 17 23:15:37 it's configuring something Jun 17 23:16:11 copy the last 10-15 lines of the output to: webos-internals.pastebin.com Jun 17 23:16:26 and then copy the url here. Jun 17 23:19:39 webos-internals.pastebin.com/xLgj7gY0 Jun 17 23:22:15 mdordal, thats the last 10 or so lines? Jun 17 23:22:23 yea Jun 17 23:22:37 plus the bit before the configure script start running Jun 17 23:22:44 I would expect to see error[2] and error[1] lines Jun 17 23:23:21 it's not failing, just hanging Jun 17 23:23:36 ya, I see that Jun 17 23:23:48 did you install the kvm tools? Jun 17 23:28:14 I think its the qemu-kvm-extras Jun 17 23:31:27 mdordal2, I'm just wondering if the output of the sb2 just quit or it really hung Jun 17 23:31:37 I had thought I had done so, I remember some of the packages mentioned on the wiki didn't seem to exist (I'm on LTS) Jun 17 23:31:55 Hardy LTS or Lucid LTS? Jun 17 23:31:56 I noticed when I came back to it after a day? or so Jun 17 23:32:11 jaunty Jun 17 23:32:18 oh, thats not LTS. Jun 17 23:32:29 but anyways. Jun 17 23:32:38 which packages are not available? Jun 17 23:33:00 and do you have jaunty-backports in your sources.list? Jun 17 23:33:05 some of the kvm ones Jun 18 00:43:32 uNiXpSyChO, is there a significant diff between f104 and .39? Jun 18 00:48:43 f104 disables lowmemnotify altogether. .39 adds swap free into the formula Jun 18 00:54:11 thx rwhitby Jun 18 00:55:13 the difference is theoretical anyway, cause your device slows to inoperable before you hit either limit **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 18 02:59:57 2010