**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 18 02:59:57 2010
Jun 18 03:33:56 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: -40 is in the feeds now.  I believe it has the right version of the screenstate patch now
Jun 18 03:34:28 <uNiXpSyChO> thx.  installing...
Jun 18 03:35:05 <rwhitby> Govnah 0.4.6 too, which only shows compcache settings if the kernel module is in extra
Jun 18 03:35:18 <uNiXpSyChO> cool
Jun 18 03:35:22 <rwhitby> and has the 3 second delay after insmod
Jun 18 03:36:54 <rwhitby> heh, I touched an empty extra/ramzswap.ko file to test the govnah 0.4.6, and it correctly caused a verification fail when I tried to install the new -40 kernel :)
Jun 18 03:37:43 <uNiXpSyChO> you seem surprised
Jun 18 03:44:24 <rwhitby> only cause I forgot I did it :)
Jun 18 03:44:45 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: kernel defconfig override support pushed
Jun 18 03:48:27 <uNiXpSyChO> screenstate is fixed now
Jun 18 03:48:38 * uNiXpSyChO forgot to upgrade govnah...
Jun 18 03:51:51 <uNiXpSyChO> govnah looks good now.
Jun 18 04:16:19 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Awesome.
Jun 18 04:17:03 <rwhitby> BeeRad: working now?
Jun 18 04:18:42 <BeeRad> rwhitby: You didn't do that just to shut ME up did you? haha
Jun 18 04:18:55 <rwhitby> BeeRad: of course I did.
Jun 18 04:19:00 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Ouch.
Jun 18 04:19:16 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Deserved.
Jun 18 04:19:27 <rwhitby> we always service our best customers first :)
Jun 18 04:19:40 <halfhalo> Sooo… I has shiny new intel ssd
Jun 18 04:19:41 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Oh stop it.
Jun 18 04:20:08 <BeeRad> rwhitby; Placebo or true glitch fix?
Jun 18 04:20:08 <rwhitby> halfhalo: touchstone backs arrived, thanks.  I enjoyed reading the packing paper too :)
Jun 18 04:20:17 <halfhalo> Lol
Jun 18 04:20:23 <halfhalo> np
Jun 18 04:20:33 <rwhitby> BeeRad: the wrong version of the patch got included somehow (my fault, not uNiXpSyChO's)
Jun 18 04:21:04 <rwhitby> My only excuse is that it was 1:30am at the time.
Jun 18 04:21:06 <BeeRad> rwhitby: no blame thrown in any direction. ;)
Jun 18 04:21:32 <rwhitby> but I wanted to get a Pixi kernel out there for alpha testing while I slept
Jun 18 04:21:55 <rwhitby> unfortunately, I haven't heard of anyone who took up that challenge - I think I scared them all too much with my warnings.
Jun 18 04:21:56 <BeeRad> Glad I could help (if I actually did at all). I like reporting stuff without sounding whiney,
Jun 18 04:22:48 <rwhitby> yeah, getting factual reports from people that know what they are doing is good
Jun 18 04:23:18 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Boy I have you fooled.
Jun 18 04:25:51 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Ok so I understand that all this Alpha testing that I'm doing is at my own risk. When it comes time for Verizon to drop 1.4.5 what exactly should I do in prep for it?
Jun 18 04:30:15 <rwhitby> BeeRad: watch @webosinternals on twitter for the first 24h after it drops before accepting it.
Jun 18 04:31:00 <BeeRad> rwhitby: always do. Thanks chief.
Jun 18 04:31:08 <rwhitby> the most likely scenario is that Palm will update the kernel in some small way which will overwrite uber
Jun 18 04:31:38 <rwhitby> uber being ota-safe will handle that fine, and allow itself to be upgraded without re-overwriting palm's updated kernel as uber uninstalls
Jun 18 04:31:55 <rwhitby> and we'll either have a new kernel, or we'll test and repackage the 1.4.1 if it runs fine
Jun 18 04:32:12 <rwhitby> (that last bit is already prepared)
Jun 18 04:32:37 <rwhitby> we'll put that temporary kernel in the alpha feed, and see what happens
Jun 18 04:32:54 <BeeRad> Fantastic. 1.4.5 better fix my borked GPS.
Jun 18 04:36:08 <halfhalo> Ok, so, who here has heard of onlive?
Jun 18 04:36:23 <rwhitby> that reminds me, I have to do a 1.4.3 pixi kernel ...
Jun 18 04:37:05 <BeeRad> rwhitby: How are you liking the Pixi compared to the Pre right now?
Jun 18 04:37:56 <rwhitby> halfhalo: so it's just like a LAN gaming server, but over the internet?
Jun 18 04:38:12 <rwhitby> BeeRad: I don't like where the power button is for a start
Jun 18 04:38:21 <halfhalo> more accuratly its cloud based gaming
Jun 18 04:38:31 <halfhalo> Everything is rendered in the server
Jun 18 04:39:05 <rwhitby> heh, that'll suck for people topologically distant
Jun 18 04:39:53 <halfhalo> So I was talking to them about it at E3 today, including the mobile aspect,  and guess what they hinted at
Jun 18 04:40:41 <rwhitby> yeah, that wouldn't be suprising, and would be quite straight-forward to implement
Jun 18 04:41:10 <halfhalo> yup.  They have iphone and ipad tech demos for now, but hinted at android and webos
Jun 18 04:41:23 <rwhitby> BeeRad: at the moment I'm just getting our stuff to work with the Pixi, haven't really used it as my main device yet.
Jun 18 04:42:17 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Seriously considering picking one up but I don't want to have to create another profile. Palm should have Profile switching for those who wish to play back and forth.
Jun 18 04:42:51 <halfhalo> ok, this freaking mounting plate is heavier than the ssd
Jun 18 04:45:13 <rwhitby> BeeRad: you can switch, but it wipes your old device each time
Jun 18 04:46:50 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I thought I remember Dieter complaining that it was more of a hassle than that. i.e. If you go from Pre, to Pixi, and back to Pre it would be completely messed up.
Jun 18 04:47:20 <rwhitby> it just resets and wipes each device each time, so yeah it is a mess
Jun 18 04:51:39 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I've said since day one that if the Pixi could be even half as good as the Pre, I would switch to it full time. I like the form factor. Im not a screen size snob either. And since you guys are finally getting around to tweaking it, I'm that much closer.
Jun 18 04:53:06 <rwhitby> BeeRad: it won't end up being my main phone, so it will always be the second one to get stuff
Jun 18 04:53:41 <rwhitby> (cause you know that the whole webos-internals and preware ecosystem is just  a way for me to get other people to write the stuff that I want on my phone, right?)
Jun 18 04:53:53 <halfhalo> damn straight
Jun 18 04:53:55 <BeeRad> LOL
Jun 18 04:54:15 <BeeRad> You heard it here first folks.
Jun 18 04:54:32 <rwhitby> I've said it here many times before - check the logs :)
Jun 18 04:54:49 <BeeRad> So if I moan and complain enough, you'll do the Pixi stuff for me. Vicious circle. See?
Jun 18 04:54:49 <halfhalo> Trying to get a Bigfoot network nic sent to me…. 400mhz embedded linux system.
Jun 18 04:54:55 <rwhitby> Some people pay folks to do stuff.  I create an open source project infrastructure ...
Jun 18 04:55:37 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 18 05:17:53 <PuffTheMagic> ever since the pdk hotapps thing mad people be making accounts on preyourmind
Jun 18 05:17:58 <PuffTheMagic> i thought i took that down
Jun 18 05:33:37 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: you should charge them for the accounts and make some money
Jun 18 06:31:13 <BeeRad> Ho hum....
Jun 18 06:32:42 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, its not *that* bad.
Jun 18 06:33:21 <Tman> woot
Jun 18 06:34:04 <Tman> ka6sox-work: looks like an alpha/beta for the RTA is going to be ready sooner than I thought :D
Jun 18 06:34:29 <ka6sox-work> Tman, excellent...I'm ready to test when you have something for me.
Jun 18 06:35:17 <Tman> awesome. worked on it all day.. here's a teaser http://tmandry.dreamhosters.com/rta-2.png
Jun 18 06:35:35 <Tman> green line is for monitoring the level of a particular frequency
Jun 18 06:36:14 <Tman> I also added zoom and pan to the graph today, so I'm getting pretty close to having all of the core features I want
Jun 18 06:36:20 <ka6sox-work> awesome...thats gonna be fun...if you have it tommorrow I'll take it with me to troubleshoot this transmitter.
Jun 18 06:37:44 <Tman> possibly.. I can give you what I have now but it's just a binary with no app packaging
Jun 18 06:39:36 <ka6sox-work> packaging would be nice but not necessary :D...if its good to go tommorrow thats fine...don't sweat it.
Jun 18 06:40:32 * ka6sox-work kicks audio server that just decided to STOP in the middle of Beethoven's 9th :P
Jun 18 06:40:40 <Tman> ha ok. if you want I can email you the binary right now, otherwise tomorrow will be a maybe :p
Jun 18 06:41:38 <ka6sox-work> tommorrow as a maybe is fine...right now I'm working on 2 Pixi's and screaming @ an automation system.
Jun 18 06:41:59 <Tman> lol good luck with that then :)
Jun 18 06:42:58 <ka6sox-work> it just *stops*...nothing wrong that I can find....been chasing this for a year...
Jun 18 06:44:02 <BeeRad> Working on two Pixis? *shows interest*
Jun 18 06:45:45 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, ya, I got a Pixi Plus for kernel dev/chroot stuff and a Pixi for my wife.
Jun 18 06:47:05 <BeeRad> ka6sox-work: She like it so far?
Jun 18 06:47:44 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, I just got it about an hour ago...she doesn't know its for her...(she liked the Pixi I had here earlier)
Jun 18 06:51:54 <BeeRad> ka6sox-work: I'm fond of it myself. Don't own one yet. Coming from the BB crowd, I love the form factor. I want a b@d@$$ Pixi+ that's been homebrewed, patched, overclocked, etc.
Jun 18 06:54:55 <ka6sox-work> dunno about overclocking (mother may I have a clock), but the rest should be easy.
Jun 18 06:55:11 <ka6sox-work> I'll be happy if Compcache and temps work :D
Jun 18 06:55:16 <BeeRad> It's kinda like the plane Jane Honda Civic that pulls up next to a muscle car at a stop light, they race, and the Honda spanks the muscle car because its a sleeper with a turbocharged 400hp 4cyl. haha
Jun 18 06:56:10 <ka6sox-work> one day I saw a 'vette blow by a American Motors Rambler that was kinda blocking the road goin slow
Jun 18 06:56:29 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 18 06:56:46 <ka6sox-work> the next thing I saw was flames coming from the sides of the Rambler....Caught the Vette in <1/2mile
Jun 18 06:57:00 <ka6sox-work> Sleeper for sure.
Jun 18 07:00:07 <BeeRad> Ok, so you get my analogy. lol
Jun 18 07:04:42 <ka6sox-work> oh yeah
Jun 18 07:04:54 <ka6sox-work> first failure :D
Jun 18 07:06:29 <rwhitby> Pixi temp is working
Jun 18 07:08:14 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 18 07:11:17 <ka6sox-work> w00t!
Jun 18 07:11:48 * ka6sox-work waits for autobuilder to spit out another Govnah :D
Jun 18 07:14:11 <ka6sox-work> Sprint Pixi lights up but doesnt' boot.
Jun 18 07:14:47 <ka6sox-work> and even Up Volume + POWER doesn"t put it in usb mode.
Jun 18 07:15:07 <BeeRad> Borked....
Jun 18 07:15:29 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: dead out of the box?
Jun 18 07:15:55 <chrisa> Lights up in what manner?
Jun 18 07:16:00 <chrisa> Screen turns on?
Jun 18 07:16:03 <ka6sox-work> ya, it won't doctor...it lights up and then goes OUT.
Jun 18 07:16:14 <ka6sox-work> maybe bad battery.
Jun 18 07:16:26 <chrisa> Take the battery out and plug in usb, tell me what happens
Jun 18 07:16:34 <ka6sox-work> k
Jun 18 07:17:07 <ka6sox-work> ?
Jun 18 07:17:23 <ka6sox-work> (with battery all around)
Jun 18 07:17:28 <chrisa> Apps and modem are booting then
Jun 18 07:17:41 <ka6sox-work> k
Jun 18 07:17:41 <chrisa> unplug usb, put the battery back in, plug in usb
Jun 18 07:18:02 <ka6sox-work> palm
Jun 18 07:18:19 <ka6sox-work> now goes OUT.
Jun 18 07:18:34 <ka6sox-work> no lights, no sound
Jun 18 07:18:42 <chrisa> Is it plugged in to a pc or ac?
Jun 18 07:18:48 <ka6sox-work> PC currently
Jun 18 07:19:01 <chrisa> AC may make a difference, but it sounds like it can't wake the battery up
Jun 18 07:19:03 <BeeRad> AC.
Jun 18 07:19:06 <chrisa> Or authenticate with it
Jun 18 07:19:28 <ka6sox-work> okay, I'm going to take the one from the Plus and swap it.
Jun 18 07:20:02 <ka6sox-work> booting...
Jun 18 07:20:06 <ka6sox-work> palm
Jun 18 07:20:45 <ka6sox-work> got glow
Jun 18 07:21:17 <ka6sox-work> its up
Jun 18 07:21:27 <ka6sox-work> bad battery :P
Jun 18 07:21:52 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I noticed that WOSQI has a Pre, Pixi, and All menu. Does Preware just detect which phone you have and show whats available per device?
Jun 18 07:22:12 <ka6sox-work> thanks chrisa
Jun 18 07:22:51 <BeeRad> ka6sox-work: Is it bad, or just completely drained to where the phone doesnt recognize it? Should it just be plugged in and left alone for a while before booting?
Jun 18 07:23:05 <ka6sox-work> I'm just glad it isn't *her* birthday tommorrow...got time to get a new battery
Jun 18 07:23:11 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 18 07:23:20 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, its been plugged in for 45minutes
Jun 18 07:23:25 <rwhitby> BeeRad: yes, preware detects that automatically
Jun 18 07:23:39 <BeeRad> Ok and ok. lol
Jun 18 07:24:01 <ka6sox-work> I learned a lesson last night...
Jun 18 07:24:18 <ka6sox-work> don't leave the phone in USB drive mode..it drains the battery.
Jun 18 07:26:04 <ka6sox-work> oh, I forgot that Verizon Pixi's have mobile hotspot.
Jun 18 07:26:21 <BeeRad> Yup.
Jun 18 07:26:29 <swisstomcat> i have cloned govnah ... i'll add the second preferences screen, correct?
Jun 18 07:26:54 <ka6sox-work> for compcache?
Jun 18 07:26:59 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 18 07:27:01 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: not a second pref screen.
Jun 18 07:27:09 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: just a separate section in the same window
Jun 18 07:27:21 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 18 07:27:26 <rwhitby> like the different sections in the Preware preferences window
Jun 18 07:27:37 <swisstomcat> preware has feeds/preferences
Jun 18 07:27:45 <rwhitby> nope, sections in preferences only
Jun 18 07:27:50 <rwhitby> visual grouping only
Jun 18 07:27:53 <swisstomcat> allright
Jun 18 07:27:56 <rwhitby> simple chnage
Jun 18 07:28:09 <rwhitby> but distracting for me to learn how to do
Jun 18 07:29:28 <ka6sox-work> 0.3.0 of Terminal has the back gesture fix?
Jun 18 07:29:42 <ka6sox-work> (it goes straight to luna reset without showing changelog)
Jun 18 07:29:52 <BeeRad> $380 USD for an off contract Pixi+ *sigh*
Jun 18 07:30:07 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, I got mine for $180
Jun 18 07:30:32 <BeeRad> New or used?
Jun 18 07:30:53 <ka6sox-work> used
Jun 18 07:31:03 <BeeRad> ewwwwww.....
Jun 18 07:31:07 <BeeRad> lol jk
Jun 18 07:31:17 <ka6sox-work> this one won't be used except for development (well...maybe...I like it a lot)
Jun 18 07:31:26 <ka6sox-work> the sprint was supposedly new.
Jun 18 07:32:40 <BeeRad> Guess I should check Fleabay....
Jun 18 07:33:25 <ka6sox-work> hmmm....the ls -aR on /media/internal isn't going to work.
Jun 18 07:33:45 <ka6sox-work> it picks up /media/cryptofs too.
Jun 18 07:51:23 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: what are you trying to do?
Jun 18 07:52:06 <ka6sox-work> well...I want to know that there are no pictures or audio files in /media/internal
Jun 18 07:52:20 <ka6sox-work> (or things like saverestore info)
Jun 18 07:52:50 <ka6sox-work> umount /media/cryptofs FTW!
Jun 18 07:52:51 <ka6sox-work> :D
Jun 18 07:52:56 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: o_O ...okay
Jun 18 07:52:59 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: LOL
Jun 18 07:53:25 <ka6sox-work> I just wanna see that pretty picture come up on the screen
Jun 18 07:53:58 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: haha :):)
Jun 18 07:55:16 <ka6sox-work> ls -aR /media/internal >> orig_ls
Jun 18 07:55:20 <BeeRad> I don't know if buying a cell phone for a great price from somebody who doesn't know JACK about cell phones (on Ebay) is a good thing or a scam. lol
Jun 18 07:55:55 <ka6sox-work> I bought mine from somebody who had like 4000 positive responses.
Jun 18 07:56:54 <BeeRad> This person has 100% feedback, but she sells all kinds of stuff. I think the low price is because she doesn't know anything. Just wants to sell it.
Jun 18 07:57:38 <ka6sox-work> I got my Plus from a place called Gazelle
Jun 18 07:57:51 <ka6sox-work> The Pixi was from an individual.
Jun 18 07:58:06 <ka6sox-work> its BRAND new! (the pixi) but with a bad battery.
Jun 18 07:58:21 <ka6sox-work> so I may just go to sprint tommorrow when I put it on contract and have them fix it.
Jun 18 07:59:41 <ka6sox-work> its still got the little plastic cover for the screen and the battery was in a plastic bag.
Jun 18 07:59:48 <ka6sox-work> so I do believe its new.
Jun 18 08:00:36 <ka6sox-work> gotta have it working for Saturday...B-Day party.
Jun 18 08:02:30 <oil> ka6sox-work: i've got like 4 batteries now
Jun 18 08:02:32 <oil> i could send ya one
Jun 18 08:02:42 <oil> assuming the pixi and pre have hte same batt
Jun 18 08:02:46 <BeeRad> They do.
Jun 18 08:02:53 <BeeRad> Ive got extras too.
Jun 18 08:03:01 <ka6sox-work> oil, thanks! I'll take you up on that.
Jun 18 08:03:44 <rwhitby> I seem to have an abundance of batteries here too
Jun 18 08:03:48 <ka6sox-work> okay...got the logic analyzer hooked up....
Jun 18 08:03:52 * oil wouldl have to find some stamps
Jun 18 08:03:59 <ka6sox-work> now to power on the pixi
Jun 18 08:04:19 <ka6sox-work> wanna see this sucker talk to the battery
Jun 18 08:04:30 <BeeRad> 2 stock, 1 Seidio 1350, and a Seidio 2600. Im giving my sis-in-law an extra battery and Palm sticker. Shes got a Pixi Plus and has been a Palm fan for a long time.
Jun 18 08:05:15 <ka6sox-work> chrisa, I see data, pause, data, pause, data, pause, OFF
Jun 18 08:05:42 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: I believe it's a standard 1w protocol
Jun 18 08:05:56 <ka6sox-work> ya, but nothing's coming back....
Jun 18 08:06:05 <ka6sox-work> lemme try the *good* battery.
Jun 18 08:06:19 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: govnah 0.4.7 is up
Jun 18 08:06:35 <ka6sox-work> kewl...
Jun 18 08:06:58 <ka6sox-work> got a UK -41 for me?
Jun 18 08:07:42 <rwhitby> oh, right, got distracte
Jun 18 08:08:00 <ka6sox-work> k, np...
Jun 18 08:08:16 <ka6sox-work> 0.4.7 has pixi CPU temp?
Jun 18 08:08:28 <BeeRad> Yup
Jun 18 08:08:30 <BeeRad> I see it
Jun 18 08:08:54 <ka6sox-work> kewl...I noticed the pixi ran a bit hotter than the pre when doing the same things.
Jun 18 08:09:07 <ka6sox-work> (not much thermal mass)
Jun 18 08:09:25 <BeeRad> Temp and avail. freq. support.
Jun 18 08:09:31 <ka6sox-work> well....
Jun 18 08:10:02 <ka6sox-work> I rather doubt ATP we are going to be changing governors and making *any* change.
Jun 18 08:10:15 <ka6sox-work> but we can see what state its in.
Jun 18 08:10:36 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: settings works already
Jun 18 08:10:42 <rwhitby> and I added some default profiles
Jun 18 08:11:06 <ka6sox-work> for compcache right?
Jun 18 08:11:16 <rwhitby> for clocking
Jun 18 08:11:25 <ka6sox-work> hmmm....
Jun 18 08:11:27 <ka6sox-work> okay
Jun 18 08:11:32 <rwhitby> there are four governors
Jun 18 08:11:45 <rwhitby> and 5 frequencies
Jun 18 08:12:18 <ka6sox-work> okay...new battery does : data, data, data, data, data, then slower data.
Jun 18 08:12:27 <ka6sox-work> okay its good...confirmed bad battery.
Jun 18 08:14:38 <BeeRad> rwhitby: What are the frequencies?
Jun 18 08:15:38 <rwhitby> 125ish, 250ish, 320, 480, 600
Jun 18 08:17:11 <ka6sox-work> rwhitby, pre temp broken
Jun 18 08:17:23 <ka6sox-work> temperature    ...
Jun 18 08:18:11 <rwhitby> pre?
Jun 18 08:18:34 <ka6sox-work> I just updated my pre with 0.4.7 and Govnah no longer shows the temperature.
Jun 18 08:18:53 <rwhitby> working here
Jun 18 08:19:09 <rwhitby> is your pre running uber?
Jun 18 08:19:15 <BeeRad> Mines showing.
Jun 18 08:19:22 <ka6sox-work> -37
Jun 18 08:19:26 <BeeRad> 22*c.....chillin...
Jun 18 08:19:57 <ka6sox-work> oh wait...thats right I broke it yesterday...
Jun 18 08:19:59 <ka6sox-work> jas
Jun 18 08:20:17 <ka6sox-work> it must have pulled out the UK that I palm installed...
Jun 18 08:20:58 <BeeRad> ka6sox-work: Facepalm? lol
Jun 18 08:21:10 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, definately
Jun 18 08:21:40 <ka6sox-work> wifi was bork3n and I used my 3G card to download it to the laptop and then palm-installed it.
Jun 18 08:22:31 <ka6sox-work> okay looks like i need to find /lib/modules/*/extras and clean that out.
Jun 18 08:23:52 <BeeRad> You guys aren't allowed to release anything for the next two days.
Jun 18 08:24:00 <BeeRad> Going camping.
Jun 18 08:24:16 <ka6sox-work> rwhitby, does that whole dir /lib/modules/*/extra need to be nuked? including the dir?
Jun 18 08:24:20 <rwhitby> BeeRad: oh, I got some really good stuff ready to release tonight
Jun 18 08:24:24 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: yep
Jun 18 08:24:40 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Stop liein!!
Jun 18 08:25:00 <rwhitby> not lying - take a look at the git repos ...
Jun 18 08:25:33 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, he isn't...I keep watching ipkg.webos-internals.org and it updates every minute or so!
Jun 18 08:26:01 <BeeRad> Ok, well we don't leave for another 8 hours or so. haha
Jun 18 08:26:10 <BeeRad> But after THAT.....
Jun 18 08:26:12 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 18 08:27:08 <BeeRad> rwhitby couldn't wait for a camping trip and get away..... I'm gonna go through withdrawl.
Jun 18 08:27:48 <rwhitby> BeeRad: look what has changed recently for a hint: http://git.webos-internals.org/?o=age
Jun 18 08:27:52 * ka6sox-work waits for Water Ski trip in July....3days of being offline. w00h00!
Jun 18 08:29:11 <BeeRad> rwhitby: whoa.
Jun 18 08:29:21 <BeeRad> (bookmarked that page btw) haha
Jun 18 08:29:50 <rwhitby> BeeRad: let's just say I'm going to have some free time tomorrow to finish a couple of things off ...
Jun 18 08:31:36 <BeeRad> I'm gonna try to make another donation here pretty soon. Wife doesn't understand the work you guys do. I literally had to try an explain it to her. I would have been better off talking to a chair.
Jun 18 08:32:28 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, my wife too...but she grabbed the pixi when i had it and started playng with it asking what it would do.
Jun 18 08:32:55 <ka6sox-work> she has trouble with the pre keyboard but can see the pixi just fine.
Jun 18 08:33:12 <BeeRad> ka6sox-work: I told my wife I would BUY her a brand new Pixi+ if she wanted it. She wont let her BB go!! Grrrrr....
Jun 18 08:33:39 * ka6sox-work wonders if egaudet's osk works on a pixi.
Jun 18 08:35:43 <swisstomcat> my wife has an iphone ;)
Jun 18 08:36:32 <ka6sox> blasphemy!
Jun 18 08:36:49 <swisstomcat> i should get her a pixi too
Jun 18 08:38:19 <rwhitby> ka6sox: we have a problem
Jun 18 08:38:39 <ka6sox> uh oh....
Jun 18 08:39:07 <rwhitby> O2 pixi plus, SFR pixi plus.  Both webOS 1.4.1, different md5sums on kernel.
Jun 18 08:39:29 <ka6sox> really!
Jun 18 08:39:31 <BeeRad> Rut roh.
Jun 18 08:39:33 <swisstomcat> SFR pixi plus is sim locked
Jun 18 08:40:17 <rwhitby> of course it's an easy problem to solve.  I don't have an SFR pixi plus.
Jun 18 08:40:53 <rwhitby> ka6sox: your other option is to install the pixi recovery kernel, and then the uber kernel
Jun 18 08:41:12 <ka6sox> rwhitby, so we don't include till we get a SFR pixi plus or find a victim?
Jun 18 08:41:25 <rwhitby> ka6sox: and I'm going to advise that, rather than create a new feed.
Jun 18 08:41:32 <ka6sox> er...I mean volunteer.
Jun 18 08:41:43 <rwhitby> ka6sox: you didn't get me.
Jun 18 08:41:45 <ka6sox> okay...installing recovery then -40
Jun 18 08:42:03 <rwhitby> there is one slot. two things want to fit in it.  I own one of the things.  Guess which thing gets the slot.
Jun 18 08:42:19 <ka6sox> heh
Jun 18 08:42:23 <rwhitby> it's an easy problem to solve.  I don't have an SFR pixi plus.
Jun 18 08:43:08 <ka6sox> so simply don't include it in the list until we can verify?
Jun 18 08:43:26 <ka6sox> and let all the others we can test roll?
Jun 18 08:49:31 <BeeRad> Ok you guys. Lights out for me. I stayed up way too late. Catch ya on the other side.\m/
Jun 18 08:49:50 <ka6sox-work> bye bye...n'joy the woods.
Jun 18 08:50:13 <swisstomcat> cu beerad
Jun 18 08:50:24 <ka6sox-work> jhojho, where did you put linpack?
Jun 18 08:50:27 <BeeRad> Will do. Get that Pixi straightened!
Jun 18 08:50:31 <BeeRad> Later swiss....
Jun 18 08:50:34 <BeeRad> Out.
Jun 18 08:53:44 <rwhitby> ok, let's see if this autobuild psycho-f102a-kernel-pre works ..
Jun 18 08:53:50 <ka6sox> Unrolled Single  Precision 25527 Kflops ; 100 Reps
Jun 18 09:19:23 <ka6sox> Unrolled Single  Precision 34856 Kflops ; 100 Reps
Jun 18 09:19:29 <ka6sox> thats much better.
Jun 18 09:20:46 <ka6sox> jhojho, it really does make a difference what toolchain you use
Jun 18 09:21:00 <jhojho> yeah crazy
Jun 18 09:21:04 <jhojho> huh
Jun 18 09:21:13 <ka6sox> okay, now for linpack2-2010
Jun 18 09:21:22 <jhojho> here's my summary http://gist.github.com/443429
Jun 18 09:21:43 <ka6sox> Unrolled Single  Precision 25815 Kflops ; 100 Reps
Jun 18 09:21:58 <ka6sox> surprised that 2009 (first one) and 2010 are so cloes
Jun 18 09:22:00 <ka6sox> er close
Jun 18 09:31:21 <ka6sox-work> okay so the toolchain makes a big difference
Jun 18 09:31:34 <ka6sox-work> and the flags on the toolchain too.
Jun 18 09:32:00 <ka6sox-work> we just need something consistent.
Jun 18 09:32:14 <ka6sox-work> lemme look @ the flags for the one for the pixi
Jun 18 09:33:49 <ka6sox-work> jhojho, the 2007 makes them look better..lets use that one as the standard :D
Jun 18 09:35:44 <jhojho> heh
Jun 18 09:35:52 <jhojho> i'm fine with sticking with 2007
Jun 18 09:36:04 <jhojho> i just care about what makes things faster
Jun 18 09:36:10 <ka6sox-work> okay...is the pixi one done with 2007?
Jun 18 09:36:46 <jhojho> ka6sox-work: depends on the folder
Jun 18 09:36:57 <jhojho> I have 2 folders 2010 and 2007
Jun 18 09:37:46 <jhojho> it should all be in dropbox
Jun 18 09:39:39 <ka6sox-work> jhojho, its all there...I'm just putting it on the pixi now
Jun 18 09:40:52 <ka6sox-work> interesting
Jun 18 09:40:55 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 18 09:41:06 <ka6sox-work> NO toggle for compcache on the Pre with 0.4.7
Jun 18 09:41:19 <ka6sox-work> toggle for compcache on Pixi with 0.4.7
Jun 18 09:41:48 <ka6sox-work> so the question is if UK installed  the /lib/modules/*/extra directory with stuff.
Jun 18 10:06:29 <ka6sox-work> linpack.pixi (600mhz)
Jun 18 10:06:48 <ka6sox-work> Unrolled Single  Precision 55827 Kflops ; 100 Reps
Jun 18 10:07:45 <ka6sox-work> linpack.pre (720mhz)
Jun 18 10:07:50 <ka6sox-work> Unrolled Single  Precision 34856 Kflops ; 100 Rep
Jun 18 10:14:26 <Marajin> ka6sox-work: ... the pixie battered the pre at a lower clock?
Jun 18 10:14:27 <Marajin> heh
Jun 18 10:14:33 <Marajin> *pixi
Jun 18 10:15:00 <ka6sox-work> Go Pixi!
Jun 18 10:16:12 <ka6sox-work> ls /dev
Jun 18 10:16:16 <ka6sox-work> whoops.
Jun 18 10:25:12 <Marajin> heh
Jun 18 10:30:10 <ka6sox-work> trying to see if compcache is enabled on my pixi...and its NOT.
Jun 18 10:30:19 <ka6sox-work> er rather pre
Jun 18 10:30:27 <ka6sox-work> (know the pixi its working)
Jun 18 10:30:47 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: how did you install the kernel?
Jun 18 10:31:04 <ka6sox-work> installed recovery kernel
Jun 18 10:31:10 <ka6sox-work> installed uk -40
Jun 18 10:31:36 <ka6sox-work> oh wait...
Jun 18 10:31:40 <ka6sox-work> that was on the pixi
Jun 18 10:32:01 <ka6sox-work> the pre I just installed it after I blew away /lib/modules/*/extra
Jun 18 10:32:08 <ka6sox-work> the module is there
Jun 18 10:32:12 <ka6sox-work> (both)
Jun 18 10:32:20 <ka6sox-work> but NOT in lsmod
Jun 18 10:32:42 <ka6sox-work> no toggle available in Govnah.
Jun 18 10:32:59 <ka6sox-work> but I can frequency scale from 125000 to 800000
Jun 18 10:33:14 <ka6sox-work> and I also have the full range.
Jun 18 10:33:21 <ka6sox-work> .
Jun 18 10:33:51 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: what version of kernel on pre, and how was it installed.  what version of govnah
Jun 18 10:35:41 <ka6sox-work> uberkernel -40, preware install, Govnah 0.4.7
Jun 18 10:37:03 <swisstomcat> same here, no toggle, no extra dir .. blackbird installed with palm-install, govnah 0.4.6
Jun 18 10:37:08 <swisstomcat> (pre)
Jun 18 10:37:42 <ka6sox-work> I have the extra dir now
Jun 18 10:37:46 <ka6sox-work> and its populated
Jun 18 10:38:02 <ka6sox-work> lsmod shows they are not insmodded.
Jun 18 10:38:41 <ka6sox-work> however govnah reports that it is enabled and with 16M
Jun 18 10:38:57 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 18 10:39:20 <swisstomcat> just install "stock" UK with preware over blackbird?
Jun 18 10:40:26 <ka6sox-work> dunno
Jun 18 10:41:38 <ka6sox-work> I just ran linpack2.pre again and it still comes up slower than the pixi @600mhz
Jun 18 10:41:49 <ka6sox-work> okay, switching to 800
Jun 18 10:41:56 <ka6sox-work> lets see if we can get them on par.
Jun 18 10:43:03 <ka6sox-work> 39000 @ 800
Jun 18 10:50:59 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: I don't think our kernels have palm-install postinst support
Jun 18 10:51:11 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: just run the postinst manually
Jun 18 10:51:26 <swisstomcat> meaning?
Jun 18 10:51:58 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: you said no extra dir - that means the kernel has not actually been installed by the postinst
Jun 18 10:52:15 <swisstomcat> correct
Jun 18 10:52:34 <swisstomcat> ah, because i installed blackbird with palm-install?
Jun 18 10:54:48 <swisstomcat> i'll go back to stock UK installed with preware
Jun 18 10:59:54 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: you can install it using palm-install, but you then need to run the postinst script manually afterwards
Jun 18 11:00:00 <ka6sox-work> rwhitby, when I installed -37 I'll bet it kept the -31 modules.
Jun 18 11:00:12 <ka6sox-work> (with palm install)
Jun 18 11:00:13 <swisstomcat> allright rwhitby
Jun 18 11:00:33 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: if you didn't uninstall the previous kernel, then yes.
Jun 18 11:00:42 <ka6sox-work> no I didn't
Jun 18 11:00:53 <rwhitby> well you can't just install one kernel over another.
Jun 18 11:00:54 <swisstomcat> Linux version 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 (na@na) (gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51)) #1 281.1.23
Jun 18 11:00:59 <swisstomcat> that's palm stock?
Jun 18 11:01:07 <rwhitby> yep, na@na is palm stock
Jun 18 11:01:18 <swisstomcat> ok, back to über with preware
Jun 18 11:01:20 <ka6sox-work> swisstomcat, what did you type  for that?
Jun 18 11:01:29 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: cat /proc/version
Jun 18 11:01:42 <rwhitby> foo@bar is how we identify our kernels
Jun 18 11:01:43 <swisstomcat> yep
Jun 18 11:02:01 <swisstomcat> cat /proc/version .. learned that yesterday
Jun 18 11:02:52 <rwhitby> ok, I reckon our kernel autobuild infrastructure is now ready to build F10x kernels
Jun 18 11:02:58 <ka6sox-work> no doubt about it I'm running -40
Jun 18 11:03:14 <ka6sox-work> but govnah 0.4.7 won't control compcache
Jun 18 11:03:20 <swisstomcat> this kernel replacement is very well designed .. kudos
Jun 18 11:03:21 <ka6sox-work> (its in a funky state.
Jun 18 11:03:24 <ka6sox-work> )
Jun 18 11:03:36 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: what's dbus-util --capture govnah saying?
Jun 18 11:04:25 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: just like installing any other package, right?
Jun 18 11:04:41 <swisstomcat> yeah, even palm-install -r worked for blackbird
Jun 18 11:04:58 <rwhitby> ah, that won't have run the prerm script
Jun 18 11:05:24 <swisstomcat> but i installed it with palm-install anyway .. i should be good then
Jun 18 11:05:25 <rwhitby> (unless you installed it with Preware)
Jun 18 11:05:40 <rwhitby> ah, yeah, it removed the half that it installed :)
Jun 18 11:05:50 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 18 11:05:51 <swisstomcat> just installed UK-21 with preware ... rebooting
Jun 18 11:06:05 <ka6sox> rwhitby,http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/ph9r4mZ3
Jun 18 11:06:15 <rwhitby> f102a and f104a will be in the testing feed this weekend I expect
Jun 18 11:06:46 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: what about the rest :)
Jun 18 11:08:41 <ka6sox> http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/rZ7X4FN6
Jun 18 11:09:33 <rwhitby> need the output when you go into the governor scren
Jun 18 11:10:54 <swisstomcat> nothing
Jun 18 11:10:56 <jhojho> rwhitby: will installing using ipkg run the pre and postinst?
Jun 18 11:11:03 <rwhitby> no
Jun 18 11:11:21 <rwhitby> preware or wosqi are the only guaranteed ways to install stuff properly
Jun 18 11:11:34 <rwhitby> palm-install *if* it's been built for that
Jun 18 11:12:07 <swisstomcat> Linux version 2.6.26 (reviewdaemon@buildoe-16) (gcc version 4.2.1) #1 SMP Fri Mar 19 16:35:40 PDT 2010
Jun 18 11:12:13 <jhojho> so do we need to shove blackbird into a feed for it to install properly?
Jun 18 11:12:15 <swisstomcat> ?
Jun 18 11:12:19 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: that's a palm kernel too
Jun 18 11:12:34 <ka6sox> rwhitby: http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/H8pW7nd2
Jun 18 11:12:41 <rwhitby> jhojho: just use wosqi
Jun 18 11:12:42 <swisstomcat> aargh, thought i installed UK-21
Jun 18 11:13:11 <sbromwich> jhojho: if it works and it runs faster... that's awesome :-)
Jun 18 11:13:22 <rwhitby> ka6sox: 6840.761        PUB     return  23978   0.068   org.webosinternals.govnah       com.palm.luna           «string=“{"params": [{"name":"compcache_enabled", "value": false, "writeable": true}, {"name": "compcache_memlimit", "value": "16384", "writeable": true}], "returnValue": true }”»
Jun 18 11:13:37 <jhojho> sbromwich: well trying to determine that now
Jun 18 11:13:42 <rwhitby> Govnah should display compcache controls based on that
Jun 18 11:13:54 <jhojho> but it looks like the 2007 toolchain is generating better code than 2010
Jun 18 11:14:02 <ka6sox> it displays them but there is no toggle to turn it on or off
Jun 18 11:14:03 <jhojho> at least for compiling and running linpack
Jun 18 11:14:05 <swisstomcat> preware tells me that UK-21 is installed
Jun 18 11:14:07 <rwhitby> that made toolchains better in the good old days ...
Jun 18 11:14:07 <ka6sox> and the modules are NOT loaded.
Jun 18 11:14:09 <swisstomcat> now i'm confused
Jun 18 11:14:32 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: Linux version 2.6.26
Jun 18 11:14:41 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: no webOS device runs 2.6.26
Jun 18 11:14:56 <swisstomcat> well
Jun 18 11:14:56 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: you're either logged into your host or the emulator
Jun 18 11:15:09 <swisstomcat> *facepalm*
Jun 18 11:15:18 <jhojho> lol
Jun 18 11:15:25 <swisstomcat> that's the emulator i'm on
Jun 18 11:15:40 <swisstomcat> ok, you can all call me an idiot now :)
Jun 18 11:15:40 <rwhitby> yeah, an arm kernel won't work too well on it ;)
Jun 18 11:16:18 <rwhitby> gah, forgot to keep tapping the screen while trying to replace F102 and it went down to 125 and borked
Jun 18 11:17:04 <ka6sox> its a very funny state that govnah and the kernel are in
Jun 18 11:17:22 <ka6sox> govnah things compcache is on but the nekrnel modules ar eNOT loaded.
Jun 18 11:17:44 <rwhitby> ka6sox: in govnah, go into the settings screen, and select another governor
Jun 18 11:17:44 <ka6sox> and there is not a /dev/ramswapz device
Jun 18 11:18:00 <sbromwich> jhojho: the combination I had there took several iterations to get a combination that wouldn't crash and burn, so watch out for odd mishaps
Jun 18 11:18:03 <ka6sox> rwhitby, I'v tried them all.
Jun 18 11:18:05 <rwhitby> ka6sox: wel, you can see exactly what data the service is giving back to govnah
Jun 18 11:18:18 <rwhitby> is the problem in the kernel, the service, or the mojo?
Jun 18 11:18:25 <jhojho> sbromwich: gotcha
Jun 18 11:18:35 <ka6sox> rwhitby the service is lying
Jun 18 11:18:41 <rwhitby> how so
Jun 18 11:18:48 <jhojho> sbromwich: any particular that I should watch for/avoid?
Jun 18 11:18:55 <rwhitby> ka6sox: it says "enabled":false
Jun 18 11:19:14 <rwhitby> and it's giving params up
Jun 18 11:19:22 <rwhitby> which means modules exist, but are not loaded.
Jun 18 11:19:25 <rwhitby> which is what you are reporting
Jun 18 11:20:10 <sbromwich> jhojho: from what I recall I picked out a likely looking bunch of candidates from the gcc man page then just iterated over compiling kernels till I had a selection of options (2? 3?) that worked consistently and reliably, then just stuck with that
Jun 18 11:20:17 <sbromwich> little bit cargo cult-ish but it worked
Jun 18 11:20:31 <rwhitby> sbromwich: we got a set of compile options from geist yesterday
Jun 18 11:20:38 <sbromwich> ah-hah
Jun 18 11:20:49 <sbromwich> he's probably a better source of knowledge than me by far ;-)
Jun 18 11:21:02 <rwhitby> but we've seen today that toolchain 2007 vs 2010 swamps that anyway
Jun 18 11:21:09 <rwhitby> (with 2007 being better)
Jun 18 11:21:18 <sbromwich> also, if anyone has some free time, I would be very interested to know if dbus + the patch from palm is compilable at *all*
Jun 18 11:21:34 <jhojho> rwhitby: with one data point that the binary is fp sensitive.
Jun 18 11:21:47 <jhojho> Palm Pre flags -mtune=cortex-a8 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -march=armv7-a -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp
Jun 18 11:21:48 <jhojho> Palm Pixi flags -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -march=armv6j -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp
Jun 18 11:22:03 <swisstomcat> no extras in /lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430
Jun 18 11:22:09 <sbromwich> IIRC 2010 had better IO (or IRQ?) handling that ran some tests better, I figured if I'm overclocking I'm going to have CPU to burn anyway
Jun 18 11:22:14 <jhojho> that's what we have so far (except remove mfpu and mfloat for kernel compiles)
Jun 18 11:22:27 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: what did you install
Jun 18 11:22:32 <swisstomcat> UK-21
Jun 18 11:22:34 <swisstomcat> with preware
Jun 18 11:22:57 <sbromwich> hang on no... 2008?
Jun 18 11:23:07 <sbromwich> I thought it was 2007 and 2008, is there a newer compiler out?
Jun 18 11:23:10 <jhojho> sbromwich: here's what I've found so far with linpack http://gist.github.com/443429
Jun 18 11:23:11 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: right.  UK-21 does not have compcache, so no extras dir
Jun 18 11:23:16 <jhojho> there is a 2010q1
Jun 18 11:23:18 <swisstomcat> oh :)
Jun 18 11:23:31 <sbromwich> well that one passed me by... thanks jhojho :-)
Jun 18 11:23:39 <swisstomcat> which is the first UK that has compcache?
Jun 18 11:23:59 <jhojho> so linpack is MUCH faster with certain flags.
Jun 18 11:24:17 <sbromwich> oh yeah... one thing I remember is a lot of the optimisation stuff fails with -O2 and you have to use -Os instead
Jun 18 11:24:25 <sbromwich> it certainly looks so
Jun 18 11:25:05 <jhojho> Os is O2 but optimized for size from what I understand
Jun 18 11:25:36 <sbromwich> I think Os and O2 are fairly different... let me have a shufti at the man page
Jun 18 11:26:05 <sbromwich>        -Os Optimize for size.  -Os enables all -O2 optimizations that do not typically increase code size.  It also performs
Jun 18 11:26:07 <sbromwich>            further optimizations designed to reduce code size.
Jun 18 11:26:11 <sbromwich> hrm... bit vague
Jun 18 11:26:18 <jhojho> yeah
Jun 18 11:26:25 <sbromwich>            -Os disables the following optimization flags: -falign-functions  -falign-jumps  -falign-loops -falign-labels
Jun 18 11:26:27 <sbromwich>            -freorder-blocks  -freorder-blocks-and-partition -fprefetch-loop-arrays  -ftree-vect-loop-version
Jun 18 11:26:37 <jhojho> but so far seems to work for me
Jun 18 11:26:41 <sbromwich> ohhhhhh
Jun 18 11:26:47 <sbromwich> it's alignment
Jun 18 11:27:14 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: -37
Jun 18 11:27:18 <jhojho> I've been compiling with Os and it hasnt caused any major issues
Jun 18 11:27:18 <sbromwich> I saw this before with... something in the kernel, if the aligment is off it bombs
Jun 18 11:27:28 <jhojho> makes sense
Jun 18 11:27:28 <swisstomcat> ok, i'll install -37 then
Jun 18 11:27:28 * rwhitby bbiab
Jun 18 11:27:34 <ka6sox> rwhitby, I've figured it out.
Jun 18 11:27:48 <sbromwich> if you're feeling energetic it might be worth trying some of those flags to see which ones work ;-)
Jun 18 11:27:50 <jhojho> not tested is -funroll-loops and -fomit-frame-pointer
Jun 18 11:27:50 <ka6sox> with MANUAL settings you can't turn compcache on and off
Jun 18 11:27:58 <jhojho> sbromwich: NAH
Jun 18 11:28:05 <sbromwich> heh
Jun 18 11:28:08 <rwhitby> ka6sox: oh, I've never done manual settings
Jun 18 11:28:09 <jhojho> those are a pain to track down
Jun 18 11:28:14 <sbromwich> I know :-)
Jun 18 11:28:15 <ka6sox> its BORKEN
Jun 18 11:28:28 <jhojho> i figure if we get a good enough setting with the flags I posted, I would be happy
Jun 18 11:28:32 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 18 11:28:34 <jhojho> namely
Jun 18 11:28:35 <sbromwich> that would be why I was volunteering you to do it ;-)
Jun 18 11:28:50 <jhojho>  -Os -mtune=cortex-a8 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -march=armv7-a -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp
Jun 18 11:29:10 <jhojho> that's about as far as I want to go for now
Jun 18 11:29:14 <ka6sox> means separate pre and pixi feeds
Jun 18 11:29:38 <jhojho> i'm more interested in seeing if the 2010q1 toolchain is consistently slower than 2007
Jun 18 11:29:42 <jhojho> 2007q3
Jun 18 11:29:49 <sbromwich> yeah, that's definitely odd
Jun 18 11:29:59 <sbromwich> did you compare with the 2008 one too?
Jun 18 11:30:21 <jhojho> especially since the codesourcery page claims to improve armv7-a instructions
Jun 18 11:30:24 <jhojho> no
Jun 18 11:30:32 <jhojho> i did try with the 2009q1
Jun 18 11:30:43 <jhojho> and it was somewhere in the middle
Jun 18 11:32:02 <sbromwich> maybe their code is expecting -O2 instead of -Os, although I'd think that a bit presumptuous on an arm chip
Jun 18 11:32:16 <sbromwich> weird how it's slowing down though
Jun 18 11:32:20 <jhojho> 2010 is claimed to "Significant improvements to ARMv7-A performance and reductions in Thumb-2 code size. "
Jun 18 11:33:07 <sbromwich> hmmmm
Jun 18 11:33:24 <sbromwich> I tried enabling thumb2 to see what would happen and it made sod all difference, IIRC
Jun 18 11:33:37 <swisstomcat> is there UK-37 in the testing feed? i don't see it ...
Jun 18 11:33:40 <jhojho> did you use 2008q3-72 or 2008q3-41?
Jun 18 11:34:07 <sbromwich> not sure... whatever's on mason, let me check
Jun 18 11:34:21 <jhojho> swisstomcat: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.1.1/
Jun 18 11:34:27 <swisstomcat> thanks
Jun 18 11:36:28 <jhojho> sbromwich:  the linpack source is in the dropbox directory if you want to try 2008 on it, the compile flags I used are there too in the readme.txt
Jun 18 11:36:46 <jhojho> we used linpack2 as the test binary
Jun 18 11:36:51 <sbromwich> okie
Jun 18 11:37:09 <sbromwich> I'll look at it later... just copying a few hundred gigs around so I can do some data recovery
Jun 18 11:38:09 <jhojho> bbl. let me know what you find if you test. /msg or something =)
Jun 18 11:38:14 <sbromwich> gcc version 4.2.3 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2008q1-126)
Jun 18 11:38:24 <sbromwich> k
Jun 18 11:39:09 <jhojho> strange, the last number is higher
Jun 18 11:39:11 <jhojho> http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/subscription3057
Jun 18 11:42:15 <sbromwich> this is off mason with the preware build tree
Jun 18 11:47:47 <swisstomcat> installing UK-40
Jun 18 11:48:04 <swisstomcat> after i misspelled the feed like 3 times :/
Jun 18 11:49:08 <ka6sox-work> swisstomcat, I do that all the time.
Jun 18 11:49:29 <swisstomcat> i should change preware to allow editing a feed :)
Jun 18 11:51:12 <ka6sox-work> or some kind of copy/paste ;P
Jun 18 11:53:07 <swisstomcat> or a prefilled drop-down
Jun 18 11:57:48 <swisstomcat> gah! still no compcache toggle :(
Jun 18 11:58:33 <swisstomcat> i have ramzswap.ko  and xvmalloc.ko in extra
Jun 18 12:01:57 <ka6sox-work> swisstomcat,
Jun 18 12:02:03 <ka6sox-work> go to preferences
Jun 18 12:02:09 <swisstomcat> k
Jun 18 12:02:09 <ka6sox-work> turn off manual settings
Jun 18 12:02:25 <ka6sox-work> then go back to the governor
Jun 18 12:03:05 <swisstomcat> nothing
Jun 18 12:03:07 <swisstomcat> :/
Jun 18 12:03:36 <ka6sox-work> hmm...
Jun 18 12:03:56 <ka6sox-work> you might need to output the dbus stuff too so we can see it.
Jun 18 12:04:05 <ka6sox-work> you got terminal or novaterm up?
Jun 18 12:05:02 <ka6sox-work> lsmod and see if those 2 modules are loaded.
Jun 18 12:07:20 <swisstomcat> not loaded
Jun 18 12:07:36 <ka6sox-work> is govnah @ 0.4.7?
Jun 18 12:07:50 <swisstomcat> 0.4.6
Jun 18 12:08:01 <ka6sox-work> goto 0.4.7..should be in the feed.
Jun 18 12:08:48 <swisstomcat> k
Jun 18 12:15:07 <ka6sox-work> I was able to get it to work on both the pixi plus and the pre with Use manual settings off with 0.4.7
Jun 18 12:16:49 <swisstomcat> nope
Jun 18 12:16:52 <swisstomcat> no luck :(
Jun 18 12:18:13 <ka6sox-work> okay with govnah preference page...
Jun 18 12:18:39 <ka6sox-work> down at the bottom
Jun 18 12:18:43 <ka6sox-work> governor settings
Jun 18 12:18:50 <ka6sox-work> Manual Entry
Jun 18 12:18:52 <ka6sox-work> OFF
Jun 18 12:19:21 <ka6sox-work> (this is the upper left corner preferences pane.
Jun 18 12:19:23 <ka6sox-work> )
Jun 18 12:20:08 <swisstomcat> manual entry is "NO"
Jun 18 12:20:22 <swisstomcat> or "YES"
Jun 18 12:20:51 <swisstomcat> doesn't change a thing
Jun 18 12:21:00 <swisstomcat> hmmm
Jun 18 12:21:15 <ka6sox-work> if you turn it off
Jun 18 12:21:21 <ka6sox-work> then go to the governor page
Jun 18 12:21:34 <ka6sox-work> there should be a switch
Jun 18 12:22:25 <swisstomcat> is yes/no here .. manual entry
Jun 18 12:22:52 <ka6sox-work> No for manual entry
Jun 18 12:23:17 <ka6sox-work> then go tap the governor
Jun 18 12:23:22 <ka6sox-work> (on front page)
Jun 18 12:23:31 <ka6sox-work> and scroll down ..it should show up.
Jun 18 12:23:42 <ka6sox-work> rwhitby only but it i the non-manual scene.
Jun 18 12:23:57 <ka6sox-work> s/but/put
Jun 18 12:24:18 <swisstomcat> *facepalm*
Jun 18 12:24:25 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: I didn't do anything such - for some reason it's only showing up when non-manual
Jun 18 12:24:30 <swisstomcat> ah, it's in the governor page .. not in the settings
Jun 18 12:24:42 <ka6sox-work> right.
Jun 18 12:24:42 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: your face must be getting sore tonight ;)
Jun 18 12:25:05 <swisstomcat> yeah, lots of facepalms today for some reason
Jun 18 12:25:14 <swisstomcat> :/
Jun 18 12:25:15 * ka6sox-work too
Jun 18 12:25:20 <swisstomcat> must be friday
Jun 18 12:25:35 <rwhitby> ok, let's see if these -6 recovery kernels can clean up extra modules now
Jun 18 12:25:51 <swisstomcat> so now i move compcache enabeld/compcache memlimit to it's own compcache visual group?
Jun 18 12:25:58 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 18 12:26:03 <swisstomcat> aye
Jun 18 12:26:33 <rwhitby> and it's not as easy as it sounds, cause the lists are dynamically generated.  but you have the location field to go on
Jun 18 12:27:05 <swisstomcat> k
Jun 18 12:36:28 <swisstomcat> some feedback appreciated: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/snap01.png
Jun 18 13:00:42 <rwhitby> looks perfect for Govnah.  I like the cow.
Jun 18 13:03:02 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 18 13:03:23 <swisstomcat> i'm trying to figure out how that governor page is built
Jun 18 13:03:32 <rwhitby> it's a doozy
Jun 18 13:05:25 <rwhitby> ok, let's see if f104a works
Jun 18 13:06:26 <swisstomcat> starfighter?
Jun 18 13:06:35 <rwhitby> yep, autobuilt
Jun 18 13:09:44 <rwhitby> heh, 125MHz bites experia.pre again
Jun 18 13:13:19 <rwhitby> but f104a seems to work.
Jun 18 13:28:18 <Ka6sox-mobile> swisstomcat did you ever get it going?
Jun 18 13:28:27 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 18 13:28:44 <swisstomcat> because i was looking in the settings, not on the governor page
Jun 18 13:28:45 <Ka6sox-mobile> oh kewl. What was it?
Jun 18 13:28:57 <Ka6sox-mobile> oh
Jun 18 13:29:57 <Ka6sox-mobile> what are the cows for?
Jun 18 13:30:02 <swisstomcat> oh
Jun 18 13:30:09 <swisstomcat> that's from the other app i'm working on
Jun 18 13:30:33 <Ka6sox-mobile> nice cows
Jun 18 13:32:06 <swisstomcat> you know my app Moo?
Jun 18 13:32:28 <Ka6sox-mobile> I don't have any idea of even if I'm going to need anything fancy for the app I'm working on. Probably very simple
Jun 18 13:32:56 <Ka6sox-mobile> no not familiar with it
Jun 18 13:33:30 <Ka6sox-mobile> I see cows!
Jun 18 13:34:05 <Ka6sox-mobile> what does it do?
Jun 18 13:34:53 <swisstomcat> it shows animals with animated eyes .. you can shake the device and you hear the animal's sound
Jun 18 13:36:39 <Ka6sox2> This crackberry client is'nt so good
Jun 18 13:36:59 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: so uber and govnah are working for you?
Jun 18 13:37:12 <Ka6sox2> what does Moo Doo?
Jun 18 13:37:22 <swisstomcat> (03:34:49 PM) swisstomcat: it shows animals with animated eyes .. you can shake the device and you hear the animal's sound
Jun 18 13:37:40 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: so far .. now i'm trying to make that layout change
Jun 18 13:37:48 <Ka6sox2> my son would like that
Jun 18 13:38:41 <Ka6sox2> I have one lingering problem I can't figure out
Jun 18 13:39:13 <swisstomcat> ka6sox2: it's free and open-source .. 50k downloads so far
Jun 18 13:39:18 <Ka6sox2> but its probably me not understanding how it works
Jun 18 13:39:54 <Ka6sox2> kewl. I'll download it on the wife's pixi
Jun 18 13:40:27 <swisstomcat> i'll push out the new version today
Jun 18 13:40:31 <Ka6sox2> I save a profile in Govnah after saving settinngs
Jun 18 13:41:03 <Ka6sox2> then select it from the profileslist
Jun 18 13:42:00 <Ka6sox2> and it doesn't show me that it switches to that profile
Jun 18 13:43:31 <Ka6sox-mobile> pre defined ones it switches to but not ones I save
Jun 18 13:44:17 <Ka6sox-mobile> so I must not be doing it right
Jun 18 14:02:28 <rwhitby> ok, f102a and f104a are in the hands of the autobuilder now
Jun 18 14:08:54 <rwhitby> "A cornucopia of kernels"
Jun 18 14:10:34 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 18 14:10:38 <swisstomcat> which one to choose?
Jun 18 14:15:07 <rwhitby> choose them all!!! (oh, wait, you can't)
Jun 18 14:16:09 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 18 14:19:04 <swisstomcat> @webosinternals I think we need a grid chart detailing all of the differences in the different kernels.
Jun 18 14:22:00 <bpadalino|work> that would be helpful
Jun 18 14:26:55 <rwhitby> When more than one of them makes it to the stable feed, yes we should do that.
Jun 18 14:29:05 * rwhitby imagines lots of people hitting Update Feeds in Preware while the autobuilder chugs away for the next hour ...
Jun 18 14:31:25 <Rick_work> oh, there's a joyful thought
Jun 18 14:35:27 <rwhitby> Rick_work: did you see that Joe mentioned Preware in his Marketing session at the developer days?
Jun 18 14:35:35 <rwhitby> it was on the slides and everything :)
Jun 18 14:36:01 <rwhitby> about 30 minutes in
Jun 18 14:55:12 * rwhitby bbt
Jun 18 14:57:23 <swisstomcat> starfighter was not a very reliable aircraft :(
Jun 18 15:15:51 <Rick_work> rwhitby  I did notice that.
Jun 18 15:16:15 <Rick_work> and they've done it several more times.  Wasn't Preware mentioned in the AT&T webcast too?  I thought so.
Jun 18 15:18:17 <en0x> is the webcast up?
Jun 18 15:19:05 <Rick_work> yes
Jun 18 15:20:59 <en0x> link?
Jun 18 15:22:31 <swisstomcat> wma again?
Jun 18 16:22:42 <Rick_work> I was wrong.  it's not up.  I was looking at the wrong thing
Jun 18 16:23:34 <Rick_work> ok, who can tell me why the various kernel's are interesting?  What's different about them?
Jun 18 16:29:03 <egaudet_work> All I know is compache is coming! :D
Jun 18 17:17:22 <djk1> Anyone konw how to use puTTY to connect localhost instead of novaterm? I did it in the past using raw raw but can't get to work now
Jun 18 17:39:12 <bsiegel> djk1: If you are trying to connect via ssh to your device using novaproxy, you should be pointing Putty to localhost port 8023
Jun 18 17:59:27 <torchie-pre> slightly worried about pre battery life. I hear it "conditions" after a few days?
Jun 18 18:00:18 <djk1> bsiegel: Novaterm will connect but puTTY wont using raw or ssh on 22, 8023
Jun 18 18:02:02 <djk1> torchie-pre: conditions? If you mean the old "memory" thing I haven't experienced thta
Jun 18 18:02:52 <torchie-pre> wel I've heard stories that battery life was bad for the first few days and then it got miraculous
Jun 18 18:03:57 <djk1> do you own a Pre?
Jun 18 18:04:07 <torchie-pre> yeah I just got one
Jun 18 18:04:52 <djk1> well if it gets better after a few days/charges why worry?
Jun 18 18:06:48 <djk1> It might get better those if you are a heavy on the data use it has a short life. Moderate data use can get a day. The trick to limit the auto get mail and connect to wifi when in range and turn off wifi when not
Jun 18 18:09:55 <Mousey> anybody try syncing with z-push yet?
Jun 18 18:10:06 <bsiegel> djk1: When novaproxy starts up, it should say the port it is listening on. Launch PuTTY, enter localhost for the host name and (whatever port number it says) for the port. Pick Raw as the connection type. Click "Open". Let me know if this fails
Jun 18 18:18:15 <PreTraveler> hello can anyone help me bypass the pin lock?  i can ssh into the pre
Jun 18 18:19:36 <swisstomcat> is it your device? :)
Jun 18 18:20:57 <PreTraveler> yes
Jun 18 18:21:16 <PreTraveler> i removed the pin by pass patch and now it will not accept the pin i set
Jun 18 18:22:15 <PreTraveler> i tried the solution here : http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_WebOS_Bypassing_Lock_Screen but now i only see the screen with no keypad
Jun 18 18:22:57 <djk1>  bsiegel Thanks now to find novaproxy I think that is the part I'm missing
Jun 18 18:24:47 <djk1> PreTraveler: if you want to bypass it why not just disable it in the pre setting
Jun 18 18:25:39 <PreTraveler> well that was what i was going to do, but as i said once i removed the patch it would not accept the pin i had set
Jun 18 18:26:10 <djk1> Oh, oops
Jun 18 18:26:26 <bsiegel> djk1: Novaterm provides shell access directly, whereas novaproxy simply acts as a middleman between any telnet-like client and the phone's shell
Jun 18 18:27:17 <djk1> bsiegel: yep I got that and forgot it was novaproxy I needed. No I have to find where to get novaproxy
Jun 18 18:27:23 <bsiegel> http://github.com/asedeno/novaproxy/raw/master/novaproxy.py
Jun 18 18:28:25 <djk1> Ah yes now it comes back to me. Been a while since I did that.
Jun 18 18:29:20 <PreTraveler> any ideas?
Jun 18 18:30:04 <djk1> use preware to put the patch back
Jun 18 18:30:08 <djk1> ?
Jun 18 18:58:58 <PrTraveler> so i was able to get the screen unlocked installing the patch with webosqi.  but i cant change the password.  is there a way from here to clear it or anything?
Jun 18 18:59:42 <djk1> Does anyone else it it would be wise for Palm (HP) to license the use of webOS on devices to expand the product base using it?
Jun 18 19:00:31 <bpadalino|work> no
Jun 18 19:01:31 <djk1> PrTraveler: you should be able to go into Screen & Lock and turn off Secure Unlock
Jun 18 19:01:51 <PrTraveler> it wants the pin
Jun 18 19:02:02 <PrTraveler> the pin i originally set is not being accepted
Jun 18 19:02:28 <PrTraveler> is there some palm db it is stored in that i can just clear?
Jun 18 19:08:50 <djk1> PrTraveler: sorry don't have an answer for that. Search precentral.net and webos-internals.org. Worse case you can alway run the doctor and start over if no one has an answer
Jun 18 19:50:49 <ka6sox-mobile> unixpsycho: when compcache is enabled what happens to any swap on /dev/store/swap  does just stay there?
Jun 18 21:01:48 * uNiXpSyChO starting to drink early to ease the pain
Jun 18 21:04:21 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox-mobile: the swap gets flushed back to ram, just like the reverse method.
Jun 18 21:22:10 <Jmenbalek> hello every one
Jun 18 21:22:17 <HebrewzHammer> ~botsnack
Jun 18 21:22:18 <infobot> HebrewzHammer: :)
Jun 18 21:22:23 <HebrewzHammer> he looked hungry
Jun 18 21:25:52 <Jmenbalek> i try meta doctor webos with windows , i have installed virtual box etc ... But when i launch ubuntu in virtual box (with this tuto http://ubuntuexperiment.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/sharing-folders-between-host-and-guest-os-in-virtualbox/ ) when i write "sudo mount -t vboxsf myshared directory/blablabla/SharedItems" i have this message in terminal "mount: unknown type of file system vboxsf"
Jun 18 21:26:01 <Jmenbalek> can help me please ?
Jun 18 21:30:10 <Jmenbalek> what is vboxsf ?
Jun 18 21:30:38 <dtzWill> Jmenbalek: i'd imagine it's vboxfs?
Jun 18 21:30:45 <dtzWill> as in 'virtualbox filesystem'...
Jun 18 21:31:27 <Jmenbalek> grumbl
Jun 18 21:31:35 <Jmenbalek> ok but why dont run :(
Jun 18 21:32:00 <dtzWill> Jmenbalek: well did you try running same command but with vboxfs instead of vboxsf?
Jun 18 21:32:03 <Jmenbalek> i make the tuto at the letter :(
Jun 18 21:32:09 <Jmenbalek> o
Jun 18 21:32:11 <Jmenbalek> oh
Jun 18 21:32:16 <dtzWill> I wasn't nit-picking, but since you typed so many times I imagined it wasn't an accident
Jun 18 21:32:26 <dtzWill> apparently I "imagine" a lot haha
Jun 18 21:32:58 <Jmenbalek> vboxsf or vboxfs
Jun 18 21:33:04 <Jmenbalek> give me the same resut
Jun 18 21:33:07 <Jmenbalek> result*
Jun 18 21:33:27 <dtzWill> well that's unfortunate. you'll need to make sure you installed whatever vbox uses for guest drivers
Jun 18 21:33:32 <dtzWill> offhand i don't have a good guide for you, sorry
Jun 18 21:33:45 <dtzWill> just chiming in with cptn obvious typo checking commetns :)
Jun 18 21:33:51 <dtzWill> s/commetns/comments/
Jun 18 21:33:51 <infobot> dtzWill meant: just chiming in with cptn obvious typo checking comments :)
Jun 18 21:33:54 <dtzWill> ~botsnack
Jun 18 21:33:55 <infobot> dtzWill: aw, gee
Jun 18 21:34:02 <Jmenbalek> pfiou
Jun 18 21:34:15 <Jmenbalek> with my ubuntu meta doctor fail the verification rom
Jun 18 21:34:22 <Jmenbalek> and with windows it's too complex
Jun 18 21:34:29 <Jmenbalek> big s**t
Jun 18 21:35:23 <Jmenbalek> what is the most easy vmware or virtualbox ?
Jun 18 21:35:52 <Mousey> qemu
Jun 18 21:36:30 <Jmenbalek> ok but i'm use the tuto from webos-internals
Jun 18 21:36:31 <Jmenbalek> :(
Jun 18 21:42:41 <Jmenbalek> i com soon
Jun 18 22:21:16 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, are you here?
Jun 18 22:23:11 <uNiXpSyChO> ~botsnack
Jun 18 22:23:12 <infobot> thanks, uNiXpSyChO
Jun 18 22:24:41 <torchie-pre> is there an online listing of ipkg-opt packages somewhere? terminal's a bit hard to read :(
Jun 18 22:31:46 <ka6sox-work> hiya uNiXpSyChO
Jun 18 22:32:08 <uNiXpSyChO> yo
Jun 18 22:38:55 <ka6sox-work> uNiXpSyChO, if you are logged into a pre or pixi can you : lsof /media/internals and paste it to pastebin?
Jun 18 22:39:16 <ka6sox-work> s/internals/internal
Jun 18 22:39:23 <uNiXpSyChO> i hate pastebin
Jun 18 22:39:32 <ka6sox-work> github?
Jun 18 22:39:51 <uNiXpSyChO> where can i find lsof easily
Jun 18 22:40:15 <ka6sox-work> lsof is native on the pre
Jun 18 22:40:29 <uNiXpSyChO> not on mine
Jun 18 22:40:50 <ka6sox-work> ipkg-opt update
Jun 18 22:40:55 <ka6sox-work> ipkg-opt install lsof
Jun 18 22:41:28 <uNiXpSyChO> that just bricked me Pre
Jun 18 22:42:14 <ka6sox-work> wha?
Jun 18 22:42:39 <uNiXpSyChO> http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/HPKyhUbz
Jun 18 22:44:42 <ka6sox-work> okay thats helpful.
Jun 18 22:45:00 <uNiXpSyChO> are you trying to compromise the Pre?
Jun 18 22:45:22 <ka6sox-work> define "compromise"
Jun 18 22:45:29 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Jun 18 22:47:54 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: always
Jun 18 22:47:55 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: :P
Jun 18 22:48:40 <ka6sox-work> can you lsof of /media/internal and pastebin?
Jun 18 22:54:47 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, you might have to install lsof out of optware.
Jun 18 22:57:43 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: been there and that's how i knew how to umount everything
Jun 18 22:57:53 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: sure i can pastebin it. should i nova in or ssh in?
Jun 18 22:59:12 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, if you already know how to do it then why am I trying to figure it out?
Jun 18 23:00:46 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, do you know how to throw up that image on the screen too?
Jun 18 23:00:46 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: i have no idea. all i figured out was stop luna, kill ssh, unmount cryptofs and unmount /media/internal
Jun 18 23:01:03 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: once luna is stopped i don't see why we can't scribble w/e we want to /dev/fb0 lol
Jun 18 23:01:21 <dtzWill> i mean we can anyway but then luna will redraw it normally
Jun 18 23:01:38 <dtzWill> but worst case go into usb mode, cat /dev/fb0 > usb.img and then cat usbimg > /dev/fb0
Jun 18 23:01:44 <dtzWill> and hope that works :D
Jun 18 23:01:54 <dtzWill> (might need fbcat to get it, and idk if you can ust cat to a framebuffer lol)
Jun 18 23:01:58 * dtzWill tries it
Jun 18 23:04:18 <dtzWill> negatory you cannot cat to /dev/fb0 lol
Jun 18 23:04:56 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: but fbdraw should do it
Jun 18 23:05:12 <ka6sox-work> thats really secondary to safely getting /media/internal offline
Jun 18 23:05:15 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: but it wants a rgba which isn't what 'cat /dev/fb0' givse you, shrug
Jun 18 23:05:31 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: i have no issue stopping luna, and unmounting cryptofs and then /media/internal
Jun 18 23:05:48 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: but that's hardly proof of anything--what issue do you have?
Jun 18 23:06:39 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, no issue, just need to know how to safely do that and bring it back online after I'm finished.
Jun 18 23:07:25 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: mounting /media/internal is easy; cryptofs isn't in my fstab so we'll need that invocation.
Jun 18 23:07:33 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: didn't we talk about remounting cryptofs yesterday or something? lol
Jun 18 23:08:18 <ka6sox-work> we can look at a running system to get the options
Jun 18 23:08:27 <ka6sox-work> (as long as it doesn't take a key)
Jun 18 23:08:33 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: indeed, assuming it doesn't do anything fancy to get the key
Jun 18 23:10:53 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: /usr/lib/palmos/ has two *.rgba files that work great with fbdraw :D
Jun 18 23:11:44 <dtzWill> /usr/bin/fbdraw -pic 0 0 320 480 < /usr/lib/palmos/classic.rgba  , etc
Jun 18 23:11:52 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, okay so thats a winner
Jun 18 23:12:01 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 18 23:12:04 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: but we need to make a rgba, that's not the usb image, but that's easy
Jun 18 23:12:17 <Jmenbalek> i have try meta doctor webos with ubuntu and windows
Jun 18 23:12:24 <Jmenbalek> but all method are failed
Jun 18 23:12:26 <Jmenbalek> at 82%
Jun 18 23:12:33 <Jmenbalek> with the rom is verified
Jun 18 23:12:38 <Jmenbalek> :'(
Jun 18 23:12:48 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, we will need our own.
Jun 18 23:13:06 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, same phone as before?
Jun 18 23:13:24 <cryptk> so, I am getting ready to fix the hide app patches
Jun 18 23:13:29 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: oh then yeah winner.
Jun 18 23:13:29 <Jmenbalek> palm pre plus blocked SFR
Jun 18 23:13:58 <Jmenbalek> this error make my crazy
Jun 18 23:14:33 <ka6sox-work> I can see why
Jun 18 23:14:46 <Jmenbalek> i paste you error with ubuntu
Jun 18 23:14:54 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: hahaha
Jun 18 23:14:58 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: run 'mountcfs'
Jun 18 23:15:03 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: ;) no joke
Jun 18 23:15:15 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: so wherever the key is, looks like it doesn't matter for this :)
Jun 18 23:15:37 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: (got taht from /etc/init.d/mountall.sh, lines 12-25)
Jun 18 23:16:12 <ka6sox-work> oookay
Jun 18 23:16:35 <ka6sox-work> interesting
Jun 18 23:18:18 <cryptk> where are all of the patch files located at?
Jun 18 23:18:27 <cryptk> I haven't worked with them in so long I forget where to get them from
Jun 18 23:18:38 <cryptk> not the ipk's but the .patch files themselves
Jun 18 23:18:50 <cryptk> so i can get the broken ones and fix them
Jun 18 23:20:10 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, I should find out the usb gadget that picks up the plug and what is looking for it.
Jun 18 23:21:10 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 18 23:21:35 <ka6sox-work> morning
Jun 18 23:21:51 <ka6sox-work> I should look at the kernel patch again and find that.
Jun 18 23:21:54 <ka6sox-work> shouldn't be hard.
Jun 18 23:21:54 <Jmenbalek> ka6sox-work http://pastebin.com/nDYsP2Gb
Jun 18 23:22:30 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: yeah that seems straightforward (not easy, but straightforward)
Jun 18 23:23:29 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, if I recall correctly this works on one computer but not on another?
Jun 18 23:23:29 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: looks like the key is a function of the nduid
Jun 18 23:23:48 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, k
Jun 18 23:23:48 <dtzWill> maybe not, shrug. anyway like i said we don't really need it
Jun 18 23:24:15 <ka6sox-work> are you sure that the mountall mounts the cryptofs as well?
Jun 18 23:24:28 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: yes, and just unmount cryptofs
Jun 18 23:24:29 <ka6sox-work> or just the base /media/internal.
Jun 18 23:24:33 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: and then run 'mountcfs'
Jun 18 23:24:36 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: didn't you try it like i said?
Jun 18 23:24:40 <dtzWill> then look at what happens
Jun 18 23:24:53 <Jmenbalek> ka6sox-work dont understand what you say :'( . Just what i have this error ? :'(
Jun 18 23:25:04 <ka6sox-work> I lost my laptop last night (hd failure)
Jun 18 23:25:29 <Jmenbalek> i dont understand this error ,  i have make tuto at the letters from webos internals
Jun 18 23:25:31 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: ouch
Jun 18 23:25:45 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, I don't know why this is happening..other than it looks like its looking for the Pre again.
Jun 18 23:25:56 <ka6sox-work> rwhitby, I had just backed it up 3hrs earlier.
Jun 18 23:26:24 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/4uYqbnJB
Jun 18 23:26:24 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, have you tried this on several machines (computers)
Jun 18 23:26:33 <Jmenbalek> hum
Jun 18 23:26:45 <Jmenbalek> when i try that on a machine ? :|
Jun 18 23:27:03 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: bah sorry bad paste lol ignore first two lines i had it double mounted i think
Jun 18 23:27:27 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, have you tried to doctor your phone on a different machine other than the one its failing on?
Jun 18 23:27:51 <Jmenbalek> i have only one palm
Jun 18 23:28:02 <ka6sox-work> do you have more than one computer?
Jun 18 23:28:02 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/BUUDHzsx sorry
Jun 18 23:28:19 <Jmenbalek> no i have only a computer
Jun 18 23:28:25 <Jmenbalek> -a +one
Jun 18 23:28:32 <ka6sox-work> okay...so we don't know if its the computer or the pre.
Jun 18 23:28:40 <Jmenbalek> yes
Jun 18 23:28:41 <Jmenbalek> :/
Jun 18 23:28:47 <Jmenbalek> :(
Jun 18 23:28:52 <Jmenbalek> i dont have luck
Jun 18 23:28:57 <Jmenbalek> (sorry for my bad english)
Jun 18 23:28:58 <ka6sox-work> without another pre or another computer its gonna be hard.
Jun 18 23:29:11 <Jmenbalek> can you compile me a webos ? xD
Jun 18 23:29:22 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, no problem... you don't even want me to try French.
Jun 18 23:29:26 <Jmenbalek> ^^
Jun 18 23:29:57 <ka6sox-work> well...I could but @ 213MB its gonna take a long time from the Pacific Ocean to France.
Jun 18 23:30:07 <rwhitby> half price apps
Jun 18 23:30:09 <Jmenbalek> u think my computer is not good ? :o
Jun 18 23:30:34 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, have you tried a different USB port?
Jun 18 23:30:44 <ka6sox-work> like one in front instead of in back?
Jun 18 23:30:48 <Jmenbalek> hum no
Jun 18 23:30:51 <Jmenbalek> i try that now
Jun 18 23:30:54 <ka6sox-work> good.
Jun 18 23:31:12 <Jmenbalek> this palm make me crazy
Jun 18 23:31:26 <ka6sox-work> it may be your computer...don't go blaming the Pre yet.
Jun 18 23:31:50 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, okay that looks clean enough
Jun 18 23:31:56 <ka6sox-work> soooo...
Jun 18 23:32:12 <ka6sox-work> we can take it offline safely, and we can put it back on safely
Jun 18 23:33:15 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, and now I just to make absolutely sure its box stock or bail out and remount.
Jun 18 23:33:41 <ka6sox-work> +haave
Jun 18 23:33:43 <ka6sox-work> er have
Jun 18 23:33:47 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: ...what?
Jun 18 23:33:57 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: why do you need what to be "box stock"?
Jun 18 23:34:06 <dtzWill> i might have lost sight of some piece, sorry
Jun 18 23:34:15 <dtzWill> o_O half price apps?
Jun 18 23:34:25 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, because I want to make absolutely sure that NOTHING gets lost.
Jun 18 23:34:28 <rwhitby> dtzWill: to put the onus of backing up stuff from USB drive onto the user
Jun 18 23:35:12 <dtzWill> rwhitby, ka6sox-work: so that's why you were doing the ls -aR lol
Jun 18 23:35:16 <dtzWill> rwhitby: ty for the explanation
Jun 18 23:35:34 <ka6sox-work> right
Jun 18 23:36:10 <rwhitby> cannot risk the photos of the newborn baby by the dad who is installing stuff from preware in the post-delivery recovery room
Jun 18 23:36:11 <ka6sox-work> ls -aR >> foo_file | diff foo_file ref_file
Jun 18 23:36:43 <dtzWill> rwhitby: lol
Jun 18 23:37:17 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: what, does that command even work?
Jun 18 23:37:20 <ka6sox-work> so that means that save/restore files have to be saved off too.
Jun 18 23:37:39 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, well..its incomplete.
Jun 18 23:37:47 <ka6sox-work> I'll have to tweak it.
Jun 18 23:37:51 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: ls -aR | diff - ref_file   seems more appropriate, shrug. anyway i'm sure we can figure out command line xD
Jun 18 23:38:09 <dtzWill> yeah better safe than sorry...
Jun 18 23:38:13 <ka6sox-work> nm...you get the idea though
Jun 18 23:38:34 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: yeah
Jun 18 23:38:51 <ka6sox-work> the basic concept is to have a reference of what box stock looks like and anything that is in there can't be.
Jun 18 23:39:00 <ka6sox-work> (other than box stock)
Jun 18 23:39:39 <ka6sox-work> thats the reason I was looking @ the wallpaper and wondering.
Jun 18 23:39:59 <ka6sox-work> ( uNiXpSyChO has a wallpaper in there.)
Jun 18 23:40:56 * uNiXpSyChO wallpaper of skullz
Jun 18 23:41:07 <ka6sox-work> =)
Jun 18 23:41:31 <ka6sox-work> okay, well thats gotta go.
Jun 18 23:41:35 <ka6sox-work> j/k
Jun 18 23:42:18 <ka6sox-work> rwhitby, does preware itself store anything in /media/internal?
Jun 18 23:42:25 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: nope
Jun 18 23:43:51 <ka6sox-work> okay, other than save/restore do you know of any preware app that touches /media/internal?
Jun 18 23:44:27 <rwhitby> sure, heaps of them in the homebrew catalog
Jun 18 23:44:46 <rwhitby> that's the only place that apps can put files
Jun 18 23:45:28 <ka6sox-work> I can't rely upon having enough space to make a .zip or .tgz left on the partiton to attempt to get it all.
Jun 18 23:45:53 <cryptk> rwhitby, can you remind me where the .patch files are kept at? I want to get copies of the ones for hiding apps like amazonMP3 so I can fix them
Jun 18 23:46:20 <rwhitby> gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications.git
Jun 18 23:47:32 <Jmenbalek> ka6sox-work ok i have try 3 usb port and i have already the same error :'(
Jun 18 23:47:50 <cryptk> thanks
Jun 18 23:48:01 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, what OS  are you running there?
Jun 18 23:48:31 <Jmenbalek> i have try with ubuntu , windows xp and windows 7
Jun 18 23:48:52 <Jmenbalek> ubuntu 10.04*
Jun 18 23:49:23 <ka6sox-work> rwhitby, meta-doctor will fail if the md5sum of the downloaded Doctor is wrong?
Jun 18 23:49:28 * uNiXpSyChO ubuntu == FAIL
Jun 18 23:50:14 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: meta-doctor has no way of know what the md5sum of the downloaded doctor is meant to be
Jun 18 23:50:27 <ka6sox-work> hmmm
Jun 18 23:50:29 <ka6sox-work> okay
Jun 18 23:50:42 <ka6sox-work> Palm doesn't provide that? hmmm
Jun 18 23:50:42 <rwhitby> but it's a zip file, which should protect against that
Jun 18 23:50:48 <ka6sox-work> k
Jun 18 23:51:04 <Jmenbalek> i'm lost :(
Jun 18 23:51:37 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, I'm trying to make sure that the webosdoctor you are downloading is GOOD before you attempt to meta-doctor.
Jun 18 23:52:24 <Jmenbalek> ok
Jun 18 23:52:28 <ka6sox-work> the zip should fail if there is corruption though
Jun 18 23:52:33 <ka6sox-work> s/zip/unzip
Jun 18 23:52:37 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 18 23:53:44 <ka6sox-work> Jmenbalek, see if you can borrow a friends computer for a couple of hours, bring a USB stick with the image on it and attempt to flash  there.
Jun 18 23:53:58 <ka6sox-work> you have 2 variables, neither of which I can rule out.
Jun 18 23:54:22 <cryptk> rwhitby have you noticed that these apps are not in their old locations?
Jun 18 23:54:54 <cryptk> the commonly hidden ones
Jun 18 23:55:02 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: what settings are you using with meta-doctor
Jun 18 23:55:05 <cryptk> nvm, found them
Jun 18 23:55:22 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: it's known to get that error for some combinations of little-used settings on non-english devices
Jun 18 23:55:22 <cryptk> I was being stupid and looking in cryptofs, lol
Jun 18 23:56:13 <Jmenbalek> :(
Jun 18 23:56:22 <rwhitby> a Base ROM Failed Verification has nothing to do with corruption of downloading the meta-doctor, or the computer or OS being used
Jun 18 23:56:46 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: have you tried rebooting the device and seeing if it worked?  It's 99% likely that it will be perfect.
Jun 18 23:57:03 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: but tell me the meta-doctor settings in a pastebin first
Jun 18 23:57:24 <Jmenbalek> yes , after manual rebooting
Jun 18 23:57:27 <Jmenbalek> it's working
Jun 18 23:57:29 <Jmenbalek> but
Jun 18 23:57:43 <Jmenbalek> when i try to write my unblock code
Jun 18 23:57:47 <Jmenbalek> dont work
Jun 18 23:57:52 <Jmenbalek> but the code is good :/
Jun 18 23:58:10 <Jmenbalek> when i write the code
Jun 18 23:58:12 <Jmenbalek> after
Jun 18 23:58:28 <Jmenbalek> the palm say me dont good pin code
Jun 18 23:58:29 <Jmenbalek> :/
Jun 18 23:58:48 <Jmenbalek> i dont have pin code on my phone it's strange
Jun 18 23:59:11 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: ok, since you're not going to tell me your meta-doctor settings, I'll go do something else instead of helping you.
Jun 18 23:59:21 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 18 23:59:30 <Jmenbalek> i tell you that
Jun 18 23:59:36 <Jmenbalek> sorry i dont have seen what you say
Jun 19 00:00:54 <Jmenbalek> grumbl i'm on my windows part , i dont have the makefile here . But i just have uncommented bypasse first apps use
Jun 19 00:02:19 <layla> How come when I installed preware "available themes" is not available for me?
Jun 19 00:02:32 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: just bypass first use and nothing else?
Jun 19 00:02:37 <Jmenbalek> nothing else
Jun 19 00:02:48 <rwhitby> layla: because you haven't enabled it in the Manage Feeds screen
Jun 19 00:02:57 <Jmenbalek> i just want in a first time unlock my phone
Jun 19 00:03:30 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: the pin code is on the SIM, not the phone
Jun 19 00:03:39 <rwhitby> but the sim in a different phone, remove the pin.
Jun 19 00:03:43 <Jmenbalek> yes
Jun 19 00:03:48 <Jmenbalek> that is the problem
Jun 19 00:03:48 <rwhitby> s/but/put/
Jun 19 00:03:48 <infobot> rwhitby meant: put the sim in a different phone, remove the pin.
Jun 19 00:03:54 <Jmenbalek> i dont have pin code on my sim
Jun 19 00:03:56 <dtzWill> lol you can opt out of the discounted price promotion
Jun 19 00:04:07 <layla> rwhitby: where is that?
Jun 19 00:04:08 <dtzWill> but yuo still get paid same as if it was for full price?
Jun 19 00:04:27 <rwhitby> layla: did you read the splash screen when you ran Preware for the first time?
Jun 19 00:05:19 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: what carrier is your sim, and where did you get your phone?
Jun 19 00:05:31 <rwhitby> (i.e. do they match)
Jun 19 00:05:38 <Jmenbalek> my palm is blocked SFR and my sim is orange
Jun 19 00:06:16 <layla> not all the way because my phone rang and when I went back it had already started...i found the manage feeds screen do I just need to turn everything on?
Jun 19 00:06:19 <rwhitby> oh, I wasn't aware of that.  in that case the meta-doctor will not help you in any way.
Jun 19 00:06:33 <rwhitby> layla: you turn on and off whatever you desire
Jun 19 00:06:40 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: oh, I wasn't aware of that.  in that case the meta-doctor will not help you in any way.
Jun 19 00:07:06 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: and circumvention of carrier locking is offtopic in this channel, thanks.
Jun 19 00:07:30 <Jmenbalek> grumbl
Jun 19 00:07:38 <Jmenbalek> grumbl
Jun 19 00:07:52 <layla> Okay...thank you!  I don't even know what all this stuff is or means
Jun 19 00:07:58 <Jmenbalek> i have a limited english ... I can't speack good with you :'(
Jun 19 00:08:38 <rwhitby> layla: have you read the Preware documentation yet?  From the homepage link before you installed it?
Jun 19 00:09:58 <dtzWill> Jmenbalek: why are you using metadoctor?
Jun 19 00:10:01 <layla> sort of :)
Jun 19 00:12:09 <Jmenbalek> dtzWill for active palm ... Because i dont have a sim SFR for this .
Jun 19 00:12:56 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: meta-doctor will not help in any way for that purpose
Jun 19 00:13:09 <dtzWill> Jmenbalek: that sounds illegal/contract-breaking
Jun 19 00:13:22 <dtzWill> Jmenbalek: and as rwhitby says we can't help with that :(
Jun 19 00:13:33 <Jmenbalek> yes i know but
Jun 19 00:13:45 <Jmenbalek> i try to explicated (?) you
Jun 19 00:14:56 <cryptk> ok, testing the fixed hide apps aptches
Jun 19 00:15:02 <cryptk> found 5 of them that were wrong
Jun 19 00:15:13 <cryptk> a certain someone needs to learn how to properly format json files, lol
Jun 19 00:15:21 <Jmenbalek> when i put my orange sim (after flash palm) i have this message "enter unblock code" i write my code but after (i dont have code pin on my sim) i have this message "pin incorrect"
Jun 19 00:16:26 <rwhitby> Jmenbalek: that is cause the phone is locked to the carrier
Jun 19 00:16:37 <cryptk> anyone on here that has a VZW pre/pixi that can test the fixed hide vznav patch?
Jun 19 00:16:51 <cryptk> I should work, but I would like to have it tested before I send it in
Jun 19 00:17:08 <vibol> doesn't that patch already exist?
Jun 19 00:17:13 <cryptk> it does exist
Jun 19 00:17:15 <cryptk> but it is broken
Jun 19 00:17:22 <cryptk> I fixed it, but I want someone to test it
Jun 19 00:17:33 <vibol> i remember using it and it worked
Jun 19 00:17:40 <cryptk> hence why I called it the 'fixed hide vznav patch'
Jun 19 00:17:47 <cryptk> can you isntall the one in preware real fast for me then
Jun 19 00:17:53 <cryptk> and let me know if it still does?
Jun 19 00:18:05 <cryptk> it had a similat json formatting problem to the other broken ones
Jun 19 00:18:22 <cryptk> which I just tested and they all work now (after I fixed them
Jun 19 00:19:22 <vibol> sec
Jun 19 00:19:29 <vibol> Hide VZNav, right?
Jun 19 00:20:14 <cryptk> yes
Jun 19 00:20:25 <cryptk> I don't think the one currently in preware will work
Jun 19 00:20:41 <vibol> works fine
Jun 19 00:20:42 <cryptk> if it doesn't would you mind me emailing you a patch file to try and see if it works (it should)
Jun 19 00:20:47 <cryptk> really?
Jun 19 00:20:48 <cryptk> weird...
Jun 19 00:20:53 <cryptk> ok, I won'tupdate that one then
Jun 19 00:20:55 <vibol> yeah
Jun 19 00:21:23 <vibol> just curious, but how long does it usually take for a patch to be approved?
Jun 19 00:21:55 <rwhitby> vibol: depends when dBsooner gets to it.  he has a new job and I think he was going to be doing them weekly
Jun 19 00:22:10 <rwhitby> but I'm trying to get more people involved in approving them
Jun 19 00:22:13 <vibol> rwhitby: got it
Jun 19 00:22:40 <vibol> is it pretty involved, or are there build/package scripts for those patches?
Jun 19 00:24:19 <cryptk> rwhitby I am willing to help aproove them
Jun 19 00:24:25 <rwhitby> it's pretty much all automated, but it needs to be someone we have a long history of collaboration and trust with
Jun 19 00:24:40 <rwhitby> and who has attention to detail and consistency across the whole set of patches
Jun 19 00:25:10 <rwhitby> cryptk: drop me an email
Jun 19 00:25:26 <cryptk> well, I had originally updated all of these for 1.4.1.1... then someone came by and changed them all and put *CORRECTED* for 1.4.1.1 int he changelog, lol... funny how they worked and then whey they 'corrected' them they broke, HAHA
Jun 19 00:27:44 <cryptk> damn 5 minute timer on patch submissions...
Jun 19 00:32:22 <cryptk> now I wait again...
Jun 19 00:33:42 <cryptk> two of four patches submitted
Jun 19 00:37:06 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 19 00:37:36 <cryptk> three of four
Jun 19 00:37:41 <cryptk> five more minutes
Jun 19 00:38:07 <ka6sox-work> a bot making those changes wouldn't be so patient.
Jun 19 00:38:16 <cryptk> lol
Jun 19 00:38:58 <cryptk> would anyone be interested in a "hide stock apps megamix" that would hide multiple stock apps? and if so, which apps would you like to see in it...
Jun 19 00:39:10 <cryptk> shile I am already updating/fixing these, I can go ahead and make that one
Jun 19 00:41:00 <cryptk> I would think amazon, nascar, nfl... all in one patch
Jun 19 00:45:03 <cryptk> there go's 4 out of 4
Jun 19 00:55:52 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 19 02:44:31 <rwhitby> re
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