**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 19 02:59:57 2010
Jun 19 03:02:01 <Tman> rwhitby: do you know of any cross-compiled pulseaudio .so's that might be lying around?
Jun 19 03:03:06 <Tman> lost my debian system to a hard drive failure so compiling it myself would be quite a hassle -_-
Jun 19 03:42:22 <Ryan_> how come my preware doesnt have available themes?
Jun 19 03:45:13 <Ryan_> anybody in here
Jun 19 03:45:54 <bsiegel> a few of us ;)
Jun 19 03:48:18 <Ryan_> anoyone know alot about preware
Jun 19 03:53:48 <zsoc> you do
Jun 19 03:55:14 <dtzWill> what's preware?
Jun 19 03:55:34 <dtzWill> zsoc: add that to your up-and-coming-quote-reminder bot for me
Jun 19 04:09:05 <Tman> umm I'm looking for the GLES v1.1 .so, but I don't see it in my PDK tree?
Jun 19 04:09:47 <dtzWill> Tman: libGLES_CM.sop
Jun 19 04:09:52 <dtzWill> s/sop/so/
Jun 19 04:09:52 <infobot> dtzWill meant: Tman: libGLES_CM.so
Jun 19 04:10:01 <Tman> really.. I thought that was extensions or something
Jun 19 04:10:29 <Tman> seems to have worked, thanks :0
Jun 19 04:10:30 <Tman> :)*
Jun 19 04:10:35 <dtzWill> Tman: hooray \o/
Jun 19 04:10:43 <zsoc> You thought wrong, clearly.
Jun 19 04:10:46 <zsoc> Now apologize.
Jun 19 04:10:55 <Tman> sorry :(
Jun 19 04:33:32 <ka6sox-work> funny guys here tonight (and maybe a few gals too!)
Jun 19 04:45:43 <dtzWill> ouch i think my phone's done being at 800mhz--in the last 24 hours a number of times the screen has just faded to black and the phone restarts :(
Jun 19 04:48:16 <jhojho> sorry
Jun 19 04:48:20 <jhojho> try 720
Jun 19 04:48:28 <jhojho> almost as fast and has been rock solid for me.
Jun 19 04:49:13 <dtzWill> jhojho: good call
Jun 19 04:49:35 <jhojho> plus it's the same voltage as @600mhz
Jun 19 04:49:38 <dtzWill> jhojho: hopefully palm releases new hardware before i run this device into the ground :)
Jun 19 04:49:45 <jhojho> I never clocked at 800 for that reason.
Jun 19 04:49:53 <dtzWill> jhojho: yeah that's a compelling reason to stay at 720
Jun 19 04:50:02 <dtzWill> but 800 always worked so I just did that :)
Jun 19 04:50:33 <jhojho> seems the android hackers are further along. iirc they are working on undervolting now to try to save some battery.
Jun 19 04:50:41 <jhojho> but that's a riskier proposition.
Jun 19 04:53:24 <dtzWill> o_O govnah screenstate to 720mhz reports it's still running at 800
Jun 19 04:54:29 <dtzWill> shrug, changing to fixed 720 and back fixed it, but not the best
Jun 19 05:00:12 <luke-jr> dtzWill: overclocking usually *does* work-- the problem is that it wears the chip out faster
Jun 19 05:00:55 <dtzWill> luke-jr: yeah :)
Jun 19 05:01:03 <dtzWill> luke-jr: you mean it's not completely free?!
Jun 19 05:02:56 <dtzWill> luke-jr: still makes me :( when my device starts failing hehe
Jun 19 06:08:08 <ka6sox-work> jhojho, there is code for that undervolting stuff in 2.6.33 iirc.
Jun 19 06:08:49 <ka6sox-work> I have the programming model for the 3530 and I suspect that the same code would work.
Jun 19 06:09:09 <ka6sox-work> backporting it 9 revisions could be "fun"
Jun 19 06:12:02 <ka6sox-work> but, like the temp probe in the OMAP_34XX_temp its virgin territory so not likely to cause problems *unless* Palm is using it already.
Jun 19 06:14:09 <jhojho> no reason not to try =)
Jun 19 06:17:58 <ka6sox-work> I read a TI document on  what the "CPU Core" took in an OMAP 3530 to run @ full rated speed..
Jun 19 06:18:09 <ka6sox-work> care to venture a guess as to what the consumption was?
Jun 19 06:18:19 <geist> 1.21 jigawatts?
Jun 19 06:18:33 <ka6sox-work> you are close!
Jun 19 06:18:57 <geist> 6.02 x 10^23 atoms of unobtanium?
Jun 19 06:19:27 <ka6sox-work> 0.0125 Watts.
Jun 19 06:19:53 <geist> doesnt sound right
Jun 19 06:20:08 <ka6sox-work> 1.35v @ 8.95ma
Jun 19 06:20:19 <geist> thats definitely not right
Jun 19 06:20:29 <geist> my experience is its more like 200ma or so
Jun 19 06:20:50 <ka6sox-work> thats not the entire SoC or even the drivers for memory /cache/etc
Jun 19 06:20:56 <ka6sox-work> just the CPU core.
Jun 19 06:21:02 <geist> yes, but its not right
Jun 19 06:21:13 <ka6sox-work> I just read it...didn't publish it.
Jun 19 06:21:17 <geist> its in the 50-200 range
Jun 19 06:21:28 <ka6sox-work> @ what voltage?
Jun 19 06:21:34 <geist> at about 1.x
Jun 19 06:21:41 <geist> whatever youre running the cpu rail at
Jun 19 06:21:44 <geist> which is around there
Jun 19 06:22:05 <ka6sox-work> I was very shocked at those numbers too.
Jun 19 06:22:18 <ka6sox-work> 50-200 sounds more reasonable.
Jun 19 06:22:19 <geist> most vendors lie like crazy
Jun 19 06:22:31 <geist> then you get suckered in and theyre like
Jun 19 06:22:48 <geist> 'yeah, that was early numbers, turns out its like 20x worse. my bad'
Jun 19 06:23:04 <ka6sox-work> well...an ARM is pretty simple compared to an x86 thing.
Jun 19 06:23:11 <geist> an arm7 sure
Jun 19 06:23:18 <jhojho> lol at geist "my bad"
Jun 19 06:23:23 <geist> cortex-a*s are much more complicated
Jun 19 06:23:33 <jhojho> i'm sure you love that. power envelope blown
Jun 19 06:23:38 <jhojho> thanks vendor
Jun 19 06:23:52 <geist> though that being said if its just cpu core it doesnt
Jun 19 06:24:02 <geist> doesnt include the L2 cache, and maybe not the L1
Jun 19 06:24:16 <geist> whicvh probably accounts for about half of what you generally see of the 200ma or so
Jun 19 06:24:31 <geist> of course youd never run it without those, itd be completely pointless
Jun 19 06:24:39 <ka6sox-work> right
Jun 19 06:24:56 <geist> and then they can run a bunch of nops in a tight loop, etc
Jun 19 06:25:03 <geist> bunch of things you can do to game the numbers
Jun 19 06:25:09 <ka6sox-work> heh
Jun 19 06:25:13 <geist> *reality* is that its 50-200 or so
Jun 19 06:25:29 <ka6sox-work> well...50mW to 200mW isn't that bad still.
Jun 19 06:25:53 <geist> also *reality* says youre hitting dram pretty hard if youre running
Jun 19 06:26:05 <geist> which ive geenrally seen to be in the 50mA range or so
Jun 19 06:26:16 <geist> but yeah, a stressed out cortex
Jun 19 06:26:27 <geist> at @max freq is generally a couple hundred mW
Jun 19 06:27:35 <ka6sox-work> with the FPGAs and CPLDs I work on its amazing to see how the power climbs as you increase frequency.
Jun 19 06:28:03 <geist> yeah those are for sure not made with a very low power process
Jun 19 06:28:38 <ka6sox-work> 95nm at best.
Jun 19 06:30:12 <ka6sox-work> but the mezannine Memory on the 3530 (and probably the 3430) keeps the lines short so driving them doesn't take so much power.
Jun 19 06:30:56 <geist> the dram does though
Jun 19 06:31:12 <ka6sox-work> :(
Jun 19 06:31:23 <ka6sox-work> too bad sram is sooo expensive.
Jun 19 06:31:24 <geist> though lpddr is not too bad
Jun 19 06:31:38 <ka6sox-work> 1.8v?
Jun 19 06:32:41 <geist> yah
Jun 19 06:38:51 <ka6sox-work> gotta keep those voltages down and lines short.
Jun 19 06:39:25 <ka6sox-work> Seymour Cray was right.
Jun 19 06:44:08 <rwhitby> http://bit.ly/drpodder-clone - Appible LLC has cloned drPodder, added some default feeds, rebadged it, and are selling it for $5.
Jun 19 06:54:16 <chrisa> Hm, not much to do about it officially I believe
Jun 19 06:56:05 <rwhitby> chrisa: yeah, they are complying with the legal requirements of the GPL.
Jun 19 07:29:56 <dtzWill> lol @ lds media
Jun 19 07:30:17 <dtzWill> certainly not going for the good will purchases haha
Jun 19 07:30:35 <dtzWill> wonder if they also took out the pieces that let you add your own feeds? (LOL)
Jun 19 07:32:02 <oddalot> wow, can't believe i remembered this channel name
Jun 19 07:33:58 <egaudet> ?
Jun 19 07:34:13 <oddalot> well..it autoconnected from the website
Jun 19 07:34:25 <oddalot> last time i was on, so i joined through xchat this time, and had to guess the name
Jun 19 07:34:47 <oddalot> about to build my first palm app hopefully
Jun 19 07:34:52 <oddalot> err pre i mean
Jun 19 07:36:06 <ka6sox-work> kewl..whats it gonna do?
Jun 19 07:41:21 <oddalot> just going to do the test app tonight
Jun 19 07:41:47 <oddalot> whatever they call it....my first app, the "hello world" equivalent
Jun 19 07:41:58 <oddalot> but I plan on building a go app
Jun 19 07:42:10 <oddalot> that is...the ancient chinese strategy game of go
Jun 19 07:42:18 <oddalot> i noticed no one has made one yet
Jun 19 07:42:23 <ka6sox-work> nice.. I'v seen it before
Jun 19 07:42:39 <oddalot> of course, the original palm pilot had a TON of go apps
Jun 19 07:43:52 <oddalot> really just trying to keep my programming skills, and go skills sharp while i'm out of a job
Jun 19 07:44:54 <ka6sox-work> ah..thats tough.
Jun 19 07:45:04 <ka6sox-work> (its a tough time to be out of work)
Jun 19 07:45:15 <oddalot> yeah, i graduated last year
Jun 19 07:45:29 <oddalot> been unemployed since then
Jun 19 07:45:37 <ka6sox-work> ouch
Jun 19 07:45:49 <oddalot> but it's mostly my fault, i've had some good opportunities
Jun 19 07:45:59 <oddalot> just need to take things more seriously i guess
Jun 19 07:46:08 <ka6sox-work> oh
Jun 19 07:46:25 <ka6sox-work> well..its not /etc/event.d/rcS
Jun 19 07:46:47 <oddalot> ?
Jun 19 07:47:06 <ka6sox-work> oh, that was a misteak...I'm working out the boot process.
Jun 19 07:47:19 <oddalot> grub?
Jun 19 07:47:21 <ka6sox-work> heck..its probably documented in the wiki...
Jun 19 07:47:33 <ka6sox-work> no, after the rootfs is mounted.
Jun 19 07:47:34 <oddalot> oh
Jun 19 07:47:37 <ka6sox-work> no grub here.
Jun 19 07:47:37 <oddalot> you mean on the pre
Jun 19 07:47:40 <ka6sox-work> ya.
Jun 19 07:50:16 <ka6sox-work> he init script on /dev/mapper/store-root starts upstart or the miniboot.sh script in /etc.
Jun 19 07:50:29 <ka6sox-work> ta da!
Jun 19 07:50:30 <ka6sox-work> :D
Jun 19 07:50:48 <ka6sox-work> thats what I needed.
Jun 19 07:51:16 <oddalot> congrats
Jun 19 08:38:08 <MetaView> hi
Jun 19 08:38:56 <rwhitby> hey MetaView
Jun 19 08:39:08 <rwhitby> MetaView: seen http://bit.ly/drpodder-clone ?
Jun 19 08:43:33 <MetaView> no
Jun 19 08:46:32 <MetaView> well, difficult, it's legally right but not a nice move from them, my personal opinion
Jun 19 08:46:54 <MetaView> what about the original DrPodder author?
Jun 19 08:47:25 <MetaView> can't he just upload it into the app store for 0,99$ and make clear it's the original app?
Jun 19 08:47:53 <MetaView> LDS Media? is it related to the mormons?
Jun 19 08:48:42 <MetaView> ok, I see it
Jun 19 08:58:48 <jhojho> did they make the source available somewhere?
Jun 19 08:59:00 <jhojho> i dont see it
Jun 19 08:59:48 <rwhitby> the app itself includes source of course - it's a webOS mojo app. They have COPYING.txt correctly in the app directory, and they credit drPodder and state the GPL in the Credits screen in the app.
Jun 19 09:00:45 <MetaView> well, they only need to do it for the customers and I could guess, that even the viewable source i nthe app folder on your device, is a valid source code publishing, you as a customer gets the app in source form
Jun 19 09:01:05 <MetaView> :)
Jun 19 09:01:24 <jhojho> i guess
Jun 19 09:01:35 <MetaView> drnull needs to create something similar for 0.99
Jun 19 09:01:45 <rwhitby> yes, they are complying with the GPL.
Jun 19 09:01:51 <MetaView> LDSBestMedia
Jun 19 09:02:17 <rwhitby> LDS Media Original
Jun 19 09:02:27 <MetaView> yes, or this
Jun 19 09:03:24 <MetaView> brings me to an idea, different versions of ÜberRadio with just different station presets...
Jun 19 09:03:37 <MetaView> ClassicRadio with 20 classic radios
Jun 19 09:03:41 <MetaView> JazzRadio etc.
Jun 19 09:04:18 <MetaView> at the end of the day I'm hated like Brighthouse Apps but probably it will successful
Jun 19 09:05:02 <MetaView> I guess I need to write me my own ÜberAppCat
Jun 19 10:46:54 <jhojho> vzw is webos 1.4.1 right?
Jun 19 10:46:59 <jhojho> too many to keep track of
Jun 19 10:48:28 <rwhitby> yeah, only AT&T is 1.4.2
Jun 19 11:39:28 <mumbles> 1wee my extened batty has arrived
Jun 19 12:03:32 <RamsesFSFE> what does gps error: 1 mean?
Jun 19 12:13:49 * rwhitby bbt
Jun 19 12:26:46 <MetaView> RamsesFSFE: is described in the API docs
Jun 19 12:30:31 <jhojho> I lied. not in bed yet
Jun 19 12:30:35 <jhojho> but got distracted
Jun 19 12:30:41 <jhojho> here's a nice stat
Jun 19 12:31:15 <jhojho> warthog @ 800mhz is 68% faster than UK @ 500mhz
Jun 19 12:32:30 <jhojho> would be good to get some data on F102, F104 etc.
Jun 19 12:40:38 <RamsesFSFE> MetaView: very helpful :-(
Jun 19 12:42:26 <MetaView> well, I thought yuo might be dev
Jun 19 12:42:36 <MetaView> it's a dev channel, I thought
Jun 19 12:43:10 <MetaView> Here, write them down:
Jun 19 12:43:10 <MetaView>     *   0: Success
Jun 19 12:43:11 <MetaView>     * 1: Timeout
Jun 19 12:43:11 <MetaView>     * 2: Position_Unavailable
Jun 19 12:43:11 <MetaView>     * 3: Unknown
Jun 19 12:43:11 <MetaView>     * 5: LocationServiceOFF - No Location source available. Both Google and GPS are off.
Jun 19 12:43:11 <MetaView>     * 6: Permission Denied - The user has not accepted the terms of use for the Google Location Service, or the Google Service is off.
Jun 19 12:43:12 <MetaView>     * 7: The application already has a pending message
Jun 19 12:43:12 <MetaView>     * 8: The application has been temporarily blacklisted.
Jun 19 12:43:23 <RamsesFSFE> thanks
Jun 19 12:50:39 <RamsesFSFE> MetaView: I'm not a developer. I was sent here as a user due to another issue and stayed
Jun 19 12:51:47 <jhojho> make a wiki page =)
Jun 19 12:57:44 <RamsesFSFE> MetaView: Strange, GPS is working again. I had to turn WLAN on and off to get it to work again
Jun 19 13:06:53 <mumbles> i am so glad i am not a dj
Jun 19 13:10:38 <MetaView> did you have 0° coordinates?
Jun 19 13:11:04 <MetaView> which app do yo utest?
Jun 19 17:35:47 <cryptk> dBsooner rwhitby ping
Jun 19 17:46:09 <cryptk> and once it gets aprooved we now have one patch to hide Amazon MP3, Nascar and NFL.
Jun 19 17:53:53 <cryptk> does anyone want an app to hide a stock app that we don't already have a patch for?
Jun 19 17:54:13 <cryptk> since I am fixing/creating those patches now it would only take me a minute to work one up
Jun 19 17:58:28 <Robi_> cryptk: i just move those to another screen and ignore them for the most part
Jun 19 18:18:13 <cryptk> Robi_ indeed, but some people (myself included) don't want to see them at all...  WebOS to me is all about options
Jun 19 18:18:27 <cryptk> it is so easy to change that I find myself asking the question "Why not?"
Jun 19 18:18:28 <cryptk> lol
Jun 19 18:20:02 <cryptk> I am thinking about making a patch to reduce the logging levels (even though you can do it from the ##LOGS# phone code).  But I am going to benchmark the phone with logging enabled and disabled first to see what kind of a difference it actually makes
Jun 19 18:20:36 <cryptk> it 'feels' faster with it reduced, but I want to make sure it actually 'is' faster
Jun 19 18:42:58 <cryptk> is the kernels feed in Preware stock?
Jun 19 18:43:03 <cryptk> or does that have to be added in?
Jun 19 18:43:58 <Robi_> testing i think
Jun 19 18:46:15 <Kyuthree> the stable feed is stock
Jun 19 18:46:31 <Kyuthree> testing feed is not, latest on stable is .21
Jun 19 19:24:26 <cryptk> so, I have had a few people request that I make a post on how I made my Pre run so fast, is there anyone that is willing to proofread it for me before I post it on P|C?
Jun 19 19:30:34 <Azalyn> i wonder if it's only the sprint pre that is slow. people in the usa have told me of all sorts of complaints with their units.
Jun 19 19:30:44 <Azalyn> but mine, with bell, here in canada.. has been fine.
Jun 19 19:49:37 <cryptk> is that one a regular Pre or a Plus?
Jun 19 19:49:48 <cryptk> mine is great now that I have it tweaked
Jun 19 19:50:30 <bsiegel> I'm interested to see what you've done
Jun 19 19:51:09 <bsiegel> The only thing I have done to mine is use Govnah to give it an extra 100MHz and even that was a massive improvement
Jun 19 19:52:13 <cryptk> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2515386#post2515386
Jun 19 19:52:22 <cryptk> let me know if you have any additions, changes, etc
Jun 19 19:53:08 <bsiegel> Ah yeah, I have done the logging tweak as well, though I am not sure if that really affords much speed. But less IO is always good
Jun 19 20:00:50 <cryptk> I am going to get around to benchmarking taht one eventually
Jun 19 20:02:52 <bsiegel> I'd like to do some throughput benchmarks with different TCP congestion control algorithms - especially in a crowded wifi environment
Jun 19 20:03:27 <bsiegel> I suspect switching to westwood will help greatly, and I'd like to make the case to use it by default in the UK
Jun 19 20:03:32 <bsiegel> Incidentally i was helping my boyfriend root his android phone last night, add a custom ROM, remove stock crapware apps, install a new kernel, etc... All I have to say is thank god for Preware / patches / webOS
Jun 19 20:07:24 <cryptk> lol
Jun 19 20:21:29 <ka6sox-mobile> morning
Jun 19 21:47:21 <draeath> I moved some images on my pre, and even after a luna restart they show under "downloads" and not wallpapers. How does one "refresh" something like that?
Jun 19 21:48:01 <draeath> (made some wallpapers, emailed to self and downloaded on phone, then used "Internalz" to move from download location to wallpaper location)
Jun 19 21:52:29 <draeath> I guess I can do a rescan via preware then reboot to get notifications etc working again... lets see :)
Jun 19 21:54:20 <cryptk|wirc> I was just gonna say that
Jun 19 21:54:32 <cryptk|wirc> should just need to restart luna
Jun 19 23:00:44 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 19 23:26:02 <ka6sox-wIRC> anbody know what keyboard sequence is 'esc' on a pixi plus qwerty?
Jun 19 23:27:25 <ka6sox-wIRC> s/is/is for/
Jun 19 23:27:26 <infobot> ka6sox-wIRC meant: anbody know what keyboard sequence is for 'esc' on a pixi plus qwerty?
Jun 19 23:58:24 <ka6sox-wIRC> the pixi sure runs hotter
Jun 20 00:08:48 <chrisa> wow, this kin commercial is even using the same music palm used in their commercial
Jun 20 00:10:17 <proguy> how do I uninstall a theme I got with preware?
Jun 20 00:15:43 <ka6sox-wIRC> mountcfs -h
Jun 20 00:16:38 <ka6sox-wIRC> no help  oh well
Jun 20 00:19:13 <jhojho> chrisa: really? i saw a kin at the palm party. all i can say is i'm not in the right demographic =)
Jun 20 00:38:46 <cryptk|wirc> rwhitby: any word on the patches portal?
Jun 20 00:41:17 <wusaint> hello all. kinda new to irc so try and cut me some slack
Jun 20 00:52:27 <chrisa> wusaint: your best bet would be to not join and immediately ask for forgiveness
Jun 20 00:53:18 <ka6sox-wIRC> he he
Jun 20 00:54:56 <decourl> It'd be nice if my Pre could be used as a caldav client against an arbitrary (e.g. my) calendar server.
Jun 20 00:55:29 <decourl> I wonder if this would be easy to patch since isn't Google (supported as a source already) using that same protocol?
Jun 20 00:56:42 <wusaint> chrisa: maybe I should just sacrifice myself to the kraken now
Jun 20 00:57:49 <Templarian> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=7707 I'll give you a cookie if you respond to this thread emphasizing how important this feature is.
Jun 20 01:16:46 <Tman> um so according to govnah, the default clockspeed is 500MHz, but according to the palm conference session on hardware I saw, it's 600MHz...
Jun 20 01:32:19 <Tman> maybe that was just a rogue setting
Jun 20 01:35:30 <Kyusaku> Tman was the topic PDK related?
Jun 20 01:35:42 <Kyusaku> PDK apps run at 600Mhz
Jun 20 01:36:25 <Kyusaku> the main OS runs at 500Mhz
Jun 20 01:37:05 <Tman> erm.. so, the clockspeed is switched to 600MHz when a PDK app is active?
Jun 20 01:37:18 <Kyusaku> yep
Jun 20 01:37:40 <Tman> odd :/
Jun 20 01:38:14 <Kyusaku> not really
Jun 20 01:38:38 <Tman> I can understand it for saving battery power
Jun 20 01:38:55 <Kyusaku> basically that's the reason
Jun 20 01:39:00 <ka6sox-wIRC> tman look at govnah when you have your app running
Jun 20 01:39:52 <Tman> hmm yep, it's true
Jun 20 01:40:45 <Tman> cool
Jun 20 01:59:32 <uNiXpSyChO> root@palm-webos-device:/# cat /proc/cpuinfo
Jun 20 01:59:33 <uNiXpSyChO> Processor       : ARMv7 Processor rev 3 (v7l)
Jun 20 01:59:35 <uNiXpSyChO> BogoMIPS        : 1179.64
Jun 20 01:59:38 <uNiXpSyChO> root@palm-webos-device:/# uname -a
Jun 20 01:59:40 <uNiXpSyChO> Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #unixpsycho-F105 Sat Jun 19 18:50:28 EDT 2010 armv7l unknown
Jun 20 02:08:38 <ka6sox-wIRC> oh_, Thud's out.  kewl
Jun 20 02:13:22 <ka6sox-wIRC> wow  1200 bogoMIPS  that's some good stuff!
Jun 20 02:18:25 <Kyusaku> nice
Jun 20 02:18:42 <Kyusaku> that can't be good for battery though
Jun 20 02:36:33 <oddalot> i've only had my pre for a week...but as far as I can tell there is no way make the pre lock when you slide it closed?
Jun 20 02:37:05 <oddalot> wondering if i could get at that setting, maybe make some kind of program to do that
Jun 20 02:37:16 <rwhitby> sure, do a patch for it
Jun 20 02:37:26 <rwhitby> look at the patches that hang up the phone when you close the slide.
Jun 20 02:37:31 <rwhitby> make it lock instead.
Jun 20 02:37:49 <oddalot> i saw that program
Jun 20 02:37:56 <oddalot> yeah, good idea
Jun 20 02:38:12 <oddalot> gotta learn how get all these programming things set up first
Jun 20 02:38:58 <oddalot> it blows my mind that they didn't make that an option on the pre, i've never seen a slider without a lock option
Jun 20 02:39:30 <Tman> ka6sox-wIRC: Want the rta alpha ipkg?
Jun 20 02:40:16 <Kyusaku> ugh that'd be annoying
Jun 20 02:40:47 <Kyusaku> it sort of locks if it's close to suspend
Jun 20 02:41:24 <oddalot> well i'm just used to only using it when its open
Jun 20 02:41:34 <oddalot> that way once i close it, there is no way i can press any buttons
Jun 20 02:41:44 <oddalot> accidently on the touch screen
Jun 20 02:44:06 <Kyusaku> yeah if it's half way to turning off the screen on its own it will turn off and lock
Jun 20 02:44:39 <Kyusaku> if you close the slider
Jun 20 02:44:43 <rwhitby> oddalot: just press the power key to lock
Jun 20 02:45:28 <oddalot> hmm
Jun 20 02:45:37 <oddalot> didn't know you could press the power button to lock
Jun 20 02:45:49 <oddalot> that is pretty close to good...but i still like just doing the slider
Jun 20 02:45:57 <Kyusaku> lol what have you been doing?
Jun 20 02:46:13 <oddalot> what do you mean?
Jun 20 02:46:43 <Kyusaku> to lock without the power button
Jun 20 02:46:45 <oddalot> especially for answering hanging up phone calls
Jun 20 02:47:12 <oddalot> it locks after a while i thought
Jun 20 02:47:33 <Kyusaku> it does
Jun 20 02:47:54 <oddalot> yeah, so i would close the phone, stick it in my pocket, then it would hit random things on the touch screen
Jun 20 02:48:04 <oddalot> i would of pressed the power button, i didn't know
Jun 20 02:48:16 <oddalot> of course if the slider did that, it would be one less button to press
Jun 20 02:48:41 <oddalot>  slider is your friend, don't be afraid :D
Jun 20 02:48:44 <Kyusaku> you could ask for someone to make the patch
Jun 20 02:49:02 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 20 02:49:11 <oddalot> that would be nice, but i didn't want to bother anyone, and i was hoping i could make the patch myself
Jun 20 02:49:30 <Kyusaku> I see
Jun 20 02:50:24 <Kyusaku> well as rwhitby suggests look at the source for some of the patches that deal with closing the slider
Jun 20 02:50:55 <oddalot> thx
Jun 20 02:51:18 <Kyusaku> there's a phone patch that hangs up calls on close of slider you might want to look at in particular
Jun 20 02:51:34 <oddalot> yes, that one looks promosing
Jun 20 02:51:46 <oddalot> promising*
Jun 20 02:52:08 <Kyusaku> technically it is possible, as the device does it on its own if the system is half way to suspend already
Jun 20 02:52:21 <ka6sox-wIRC> tman  sure!
Jun 20 02:52:37 <oddalot> oh, you mean, if you close the slider when it's half way to suspend, it locks?
Jun 20 02:52:46 <Kyusaku> yeah
Jun 20 02:52:54 <oddalot> ok, yeah, that is helpful too
Jun 20 02:53:21 <Kyusaku> if you wanna test it, go to screen lock and make it either 30 seconds or 1 minute to tun off
Jun 20 02:53:29 <Kyusaku> and half of that time the screen dims
Jun 20 02:53:49 <Kyusaku> when it dims if you close the slider it turns off and locks
Jun 20 02:55:18 <oddalot> yeah, i see now
Jun 20 02:55:24 <oddalot> hehe, they were so close to what i want
Jun 20 02:56:11 <oddalot> my palm pilot m550 does it lol
Jun 20 02:57:13 <Kyusaku> well they kind of expect people to use in a hybrid way
Jun 20 02:57:39 <Kyusaku> like type out an address, go to website, close slider and browse in landscape view.
Jun 20 02:58:32 <oddalot> well...that's cool....i don't find browsing any easier in landscape, but i've only had it for a week or so
Jun 20 02:58:48 <oddalot> plus, if you have to type again anyway, why close and unclose
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