**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 21 02:59:56 2010
Jun 21 03:11:55 <jhojho> BeeRad: android linpack numbers are not comparable unless they are running command line
Jun 21 03:12:05 <jhojho> java linpack != c linpack
Jun 21 03:12:22 <jhojho> java linpack is much more about java perf afaik
Jun 21 03:13:15 <BeeRad> jhojho: part of that was Greek to me, but I understand for the most part.
Jun 21 03:14:10 <hborders> I'm trying to work with the palm PDK to compile openssl
Jun 21 03:14:45 <hborders> can I use the WIDK to cross-compile and still run my apps on a non-prewared pre?
Jun 21 03:14:50 <rwhitby> hborders: ok.  I'd recommend using our WIDK instead, but go ahead.
Jun 21 03:15:19 <rwhitby> yes.  but if the device is not running Preware, how are you going to get the app on there?
Jun 21 03:15:36 <hborders> I was planning on submitting it to the app catalog as a pdk app
Jun 21 03:15:49 <hborders> couldn't I just statically link w/ my libs and create the exe?
Jun 21 03:16:08 <rwhitby> yep.
Jun 21 03:16:23 <rwhitby> (if the licensing of the libs allows)
Jun 21 03:16:26 <hborders> of course
Jun 21 03:16:47 <hborders> here's what I want to do overall, and maybe you can tell me if this is just a dumb idea at some stage:
Jun 21 03:16:48 <jhojho> BeeRad: you need to run the C version on linpack on android for it to be comparable
Jun 21 03:16:48 <rwhitby> what's the app going to do?  sounds interesting if you're linking openssl :)
Jun 21 03:16:52 <jhojho> essentially
Jun 21 03:17:05 <jhojho> would be interesting to see what a HTC EVO posts
Jun 21 03:17:05 <jhojho> b
Jun 21 03:17:08 <hborders> I'd like to build a native twitter client b/c with SDK clients are SLOW
Jun 21 03:17:11 <jhojho> but I do not have access to one
Jun 21 03:17:28 <hborders> to connect to twitter, I have to use oauth
Jun 21 03:17:37 <BeeRad> jhojho: Nor do I.
Jun 21 03:17:38 <hborders> and there is a C lib, liboauth, that I can use to do it
Jun 21 03:17:45 <rwhitby> hborders: are you following the wIRC hybrid development?
Jun 21 03:17:53 <jhojho> maybe adora can be talked into loaning hers
Jun 21 03:18:02 <hborders> I've build liboauth for i386 on my mac, and ran my test app and successfully tweeted
Jun 21 03:18:18 <hborders> rwhitby: I don't know what that is
Jun 21 03:18:20 <BeeRad> jhojho: I bet she would.
Jun 21 03:18:45 <hborders> anyway, to build liboauth, I need zlib, libcrypt, and libssl (or I have to build Mozilla NSS)
Jun 21 03:18:56 <rwhitby> hborders: a native IRC client
Jun 21 03:19:02 <jhojho> okay. finally figured out a gcc flag combo that does not make gcc complain while kernel compiling a pixi
Jun 21 03:19:15 <hborders> no, i haven't
Jun 21 03:19:30 <hborders> I was planning on making this a full-screen pdk app
Jun 21 03:19:36 <rwhitby> hborders: is your app going to be open source?
Jun 21 03:20:01 <hborders> rwhitby: at this point I don't see why not.  though, I'd like to list it on the app catalog and charge :)
Jun 21 03:20:11 <rwhitby> hborders: drPodder does both
Jun 21 03:20:38 <rwhitby> there is no conflict between open source and charging in the app catalog
Jun 21 03:20:50 <jhojho> $1000 for opensource
Jun 21 03:20:53 <BeeRad> I so want the Pixi to be a badass little phone. Just sayin....
Jun 21 03:21:04 <jhojho> it is a badass little phone
Jun 21 03:21:09 <rwhitby> hborders: some authors (e.g. drPodder) choose to reward homebrewers by having the Preware version be free.
Jun 21 03:21:16 <hborders> rwhitby: I certainly planning on releasing a build of liboauth for the pre/pixi once I got it going
Jun 21 03:21:28 <jhojho> that would be nice
Jun 21 03:21:31 <rwhitby> hborders: would you like to put that in the WIDK ?
Jun 21 03:21:35 <hborders> rwhitby: I would probably do that if I ever got something going
Jun 21 03:21:44 <jhojho> are you supporting both oauth 1 and 2 or just 2?
Jun 21 03:22:01 <hborders> rwhitby: sure.  but I don't want to oversell you on what I have so far.  I've just written a command-line app that can post a single tweet.  :)
Jun 21 03:22:11 <hborders> rwhitby: from my mac
Jun 21 03:23:10 <rwhitby> hborders: sounds like enough to quickly get the same working on command line on the Pre, and a hybrid is not too far away from that
Jun 21 03:23:21 <BeeRad> jhojho: when the PDK apps run on the Pixi, compcache is enabled and CPU is overclocked....hmmmm.....
Jun 21 03:23:26 <hborders> rwhitby: hybrid is working on pixi/pre?
Jun 21 03:23:52 <jhojho> there is no overclocking on the pixi at this time
Jun 21 03:24:08 <BeeRad> jhojho: I know. ;)
Jun 21 03:24:35 <rwhitby> hborders: I think that NDAs might prevent me from answering that question
Jun 21 03:24:35 <BeeRad> jhojho: Internals likes to play too much to ever say never.
Jun 21 03:24:55 <jhojho> "at this time"
Jun 21 03:25:05 <jhojho> there is very little info on the msm7627
Jun 21 03:25:10 <hborders> rwhitby: well, you keep throwing around the word "hybrid" I'm just wondering what that means
Jun 21 03:25:13 <BeeRad> jhojho: Precisely. ;)
Jun 21 03:25:21 <rwhitby> hborders: oh, there is a developer day video on the subject
Jun 21 03:25:25 <jhojho> if you want to help, help me find good gcc flags for it.
Jun 21 03:25:29 <rwhitby> hborders: that much is public knowledge :)
Jun 21 03:25:46 <jhojho> thinking about calling qualcomm and asking at this point
Jun 21 03:25:53 <hborders> rwhitby: are those available on the palm developer blog?
Jun 21 03:26:01 <rwhitby> hborders: and people with early access are developing hybrid apps now
Jun 21 03:26:18 <rwhitby> hborders: on the palm site somewhere, and on palm's youtube channel
Jun 21 03:26:28 <BeeRad> jhojho: As I've stated to Rod, I probably shouldn't be hanging around here. Giving people the false sense that I know anything about coding. I have no clue. :( Sorry.
Jun 21 03:26:29 <hborders> rwhitby: thanks.  I'll check that out
Jun 21 03:26:48 <rwhitby> hborders: drop chuq an email to request early access to PDK stuff
Jun 21 03:26:56 <jhojho> having no clue is not a crime
Jun 21 03:27:06 <jhojho> having no clue and giving out bad advice is
Jun 21 03:27:30 <hborders> rwhitby: anyways, so based on what I've said: PDK (for speed) twitter client, liboauth (which needs zlib, openssl).  Does this sound like a pointless endeavor?
Jun 21 03:27:47 <jhojho> hborders: it's never pointless
Jun 21 03:28:02 <hborders> rwhitby: so far, this has been helpful just to learn more about C development.  I'm normally an iPhone developer, and I'm glad to be getting my hands a little dirtier
Jun 21 03:28:34 <hborders> jhojho: if someone has done/is already doing the same thing, or it is likely that the SDK is going to get a LOT faster with a LOT less GC/swap lag, it is
Jun 21 03:28:35 <BeeRad> jhojho: I'm here because of interest and to try and grasp the underpinnings of all of this. It's interesting to me. I really do wish I could help more.
Jun 21 03:29:09 <hborders> jhojho: but I am learning a lot in this process, so I'm getting something out of it
Jun 21 03:29:10 <rwhitby> hborders: sounds like a valuable endeavour to me.  as long as you're not doing it for app catalog success as your prime driver.
Jun 21 03:29:19 <Kyusaku> as long as you can educate others on the goings on in here you're helping
Jun 21 03:29:37 <hborders> rwhitby: mostly, I'm unhappy with existing twitter client offerings.  I've wanted my own client for a while now
Jun 21 03:29:54 <rwhitby> hborders: scratching your own itch is a recipe for success
Jun 21 03:30:16 <jhojho> my fav twiiter client is still twhirl
Jun 21 03:30:29 <jhojho> too bad it is not supported anymore
Jun 21 03:30:47 <hborders> rwhitby: so anyways, you're saying I can use the WIDK, and I should be able to deploy to non-preware pres no problem?
Jun 21 03:31:16 <rwhitby> hborders: let us know when you've got something you'd like to contribute into the WIDK, and see http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary for the wIRC hybrid progress
Jun 21 03:32:08 <rwhitby> hborders: sure, Palm don't care what framework you use to compile your apps.  Note that we don't have hybrid support in WIDK yet cause the PDK that includes it is not public yet.
Jun 21 03:33:33 <hborders> rwhityby: That's fine.  I mostly want to get this running on my own pre, so I don't mind so much if it doesn't run on pixis yet.  I'm sure you guys will get public stuff integrated quickly
Jun 21 03:34:10 <jhojho> I wonder if it would make sense and be possible to attach a remote java profiler to lunasysmgr to see what it is doing...
Jun 21 03:34:12 <BeeRad> No love for Pixis.
Jun 21 03:34:18 <hborders> sorry, should have been rwhitby:
Jun 21 03:35:43 <rwhitby> BeeRad: which pixi do you have?
Jun 21 03:36:38 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Will have the Plus on Verizon at some point.
Jun 21 03:36:47 <BeeRad> rwhitby: ?
Jun 21 03:43:30 <hborders> rwhitby: is this the best place to go for widk development questions that are not related to webos-internals projects? Or should I just go to palm's PDK developer forums?
Jun 21 03:43:52 <rwhitby> hborders: widk stuff here.
Jun 21 03:44:11 <rwhitby> pdk stuff there or here if it's open source :)
Jun 21 03:44:41 <rwhitby> (we don't want all the EA Games developers coming here for help ... ;)
Jun 21 03:44:59 <hborders> rwhitby: I imagine most of my issues will be pdk related once I get my command-line app working on my pre
Jun 21 03:45:35 <hborders> rwhitby: is there a best time to get on IRC and find extremely helpful people like you?
Jun 21 03:45:41 <rwhitby> hborders: but we'll be trying to get some hybrid apps in the app catalog too, so discussion about that here is fine
Jun 21 03:46:08 <rwhitby> hborders: the trick with IRC is to ask a question and then idle until someone finds it interesting and answers
Jun 21 03:48:16 <hborders> rwhitby: ok.  thanks for the tips.  I'll try getting everything set up using your instructions and see where I get.
Jun 21 03:48:31 <rwhitby> hborders: ok, good luck.
Jun 21 03:48:40 <hborders> rwhitby: is there a list of libs that WIDK has, or will I see them in /usr/lib after I'm done?
Jun 21 03:49:00 <rwhitby> hborders: grep NAME packages/*/*
Jun 21 03:49:09 <rwhitby> hborders: grep NAME packages/*/Makefile
Jun 21 03:49:22 <hborders> rwhitby: I just need zlib, libcrypt, libssl, and libcurl to compile liboauth
Jun 21 03:50:22 <rwhitby> hborders: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/cross-compile.git;a=tree;f=packages/common
Jun 21 03:50:34 <rwhitby> hborders: grep NAME packages/*/*/Makefile
Jun 21 03:51:51 <hborders> rwhitby: thanks.  I'll just try to get going with this on my own and not waste anymore of your time.  it looks like you guys have everything I need to get my proof of concept going.  Thanks again for all your help!
Jun 21 03:53:07 <rwhitby> hborders: building new libraries for oauth in widk is not wasting our time
Jun 21 03:54:23 <rwhitby> hborders: and now I know who to go to if I have eclipse RCP questions :)
Jun 21 03:55:04 <hborders> rwhitby: that is something I can definitely help you with.  Eclipse RCP, Java, Javascript, iPhone.  I'm your guy, or I probably know your guy. :)
Jun 21 03:55:43 <rwhitby> hborders: I'm not always helpful to everyone who just turns up ;)
Jun 21 03:56:13 <hborders> rwhitby: don't worry, no one of consequence follows me on twitter. :)
Jun 21 03:56:46 <rwhitby> hborders: same here ;)
Jun 21 04:07:55 <Freenote> Hmmm
Jun 21 04:08:00 <Freenote> http://www.amazon.com/Tekkeon-TekCharge-Mobile-Battery-Charger/dp/B0014KLX9C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Worth it or not
Jun 21 04:08:09 <Freenote> oh, and Mac mini screams with an intel ssd
Jun 21 04:08:23 <Abyssul> Freenote: I bought that
Jun 21 04:08:38 <Abyssul> It works, but slowly charges
Jun 21 04:09:00 <Abyssul> Must not be the right current/voltage
Jun 21 04:09:07 <Freenote> woa… why is my name freenote
Jun 21 04:09:45 <Abyssul> rwhitby: Would you mind looking at this thread? http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2516765&posted=1#post2516765
Jun 21 04:10:03 <halfhalo> And… there we go
Jun 21 04:10:06 <Abyssul> haha
Jun 21 04:10:23 <halfhalo> I want the charger to pull double duty on vacation
Jun 21 04:10:39 <halfhalo> charge my enerloops and also charge my phone/zune on the plane
Jun 21 04:11:02 <Abyssul> I used eneloops too
Jun 21 04:11:09 <Abyssul> <3 Zune too
Jun 21 04:11:42 <rwhitby> Abyssul: yeah, that's an interesting thread with an interesting back-story.
Jun 21 04:12:17 <Abyssul> i dont understand whats so interesting. Probably some simple problem right?
Jun 21 04:12:26 <halfhalo> Lol, eneloops ftw.  one set lasted all of e3 in my Kx
Jun 21 04:13:22 <Abyssul> 1st gen brick :)
Jun 21 04:13:38 <halfhalo> ha
Jun 21 04:13:47 <halfhalo> 32GB HD
Jun 21 04:13:57 <halfhalo> With HD dock for tv and sd dock for car
Jun 21 04:14:20 <Abyssul> I have my Pre for my multimedia purposes
Jun 21 04:14:29 <Abyssul> I was thinking about the HD up until I got my Pre
Jun 21 04:14:45 <halfhalo> Pre no likes displaying video on car stereo
Jun 21 04:15:45 <halfhalo> And plus, the zune hd's screen is freaking amazing
Jun 21 04:16:04 <Abyssul> Was it AMOLED?
Jun 21 04:16:07 <Abyssul> I cant remember
Jun 21 04:16:10 <halfhalo> just oled
Jun 21 04:16:19 <Abyssul> I'm waiting to feast my eyes on Super AMOLED
Jun 21 04:17:41 <Tman> one thing that amazes me about debian (apt, really) is how fast it installs packages, after using gentoo for years
Jun 21 04:18:14 <Tman> obviously source-based is no comparison, but it still impresses me :p
Jun 21 04:18:28 <rwhitby> Abyssul: govnah has a known quirk at the moment where it is expecting the items in your profile and the items that the service returns to not only match in name and values but to also match in the order in which they are listed.  this is causing profile names not to match in some circumstances.
Jun 21 04:18:40 <hborders> starting my install of ubuntu 9.10 32-bit server onto Fusion 2 of my macbook.  I'm giving it 2GB or RAM and 1 CPU.
Jun 21 04:19:19 <rwhitby> hborders: BTW, I'm using 10.4 for development now, so feel free to use that for WIDK
Jun 21 04:19:41 <rwhitby> hborders: as that's likely to be the best supported going forward (since it's LTS)
Jun 21 04:19:47 <hborders> ok
Jun 21 04:19:53 <Tman> what's LTS? :/
Jun 21 04:19:57 * Tman is using debian lenny
Jun 21 04:20:04 <hborders> rwhitby: I'll start a new torrent.  :)
Jun 21 04:20:06 <rwhitby> Long Term Support
Jun 21 04:20:18 <ka6sox-mobile> yay! Long Term Stable!
Jun 21 04:21:02 <Tman> is the latest version of debian parallel to the latest version of ubuntu? heh
Jun 21 04:21:16 <ka6sox-mobile> infra guy dances
Jun 21 04:21:57 <Tman> ka6sox-mobile: did you install it yet? :p
Jun 21 04:22:41 <ka6sox-mobile> my main machine this weekend is my Pre
Jun 21 04:22:50 <jhojho> I like how all the comments to this page about smartreflex and scaling have nothing to do with the article http://themxweb.com/2009/11/24/cpu-scaling-patch-or-the-smartflex-patch-which-one-is-for-you/
Jun 21 04:23:02 <Tman> lol
Jun 21 04:23:24 <ka6sox-mobile> so kinda hard to install it cleanly
Jun 21 04:23:41 <Tman> sure. no pressure, I was just curious if you'd used it yet
Jun 21 04:23:50 <hborders> starting over - torrenting 10.4 @ 2.3 MB/s.  :)
Jun 21 04:24:31 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox-mobile: you need up uprade to 1.4.5 so you can use latest wirc
Jun 21 04:24:37 <Abyssul> rwhitby: I understand. Doesn't bother me too much really. Just didn't know if you were aware
Jun 21 04:25:42 <ka6sox-mobile> PuffTheMagic: need 3rd device
Jun 21 04:26:11 <rwhitby> Abyssul: we need to fix it before public release
Jun 21 04:26:35 <ka6sox-mobile> and of course 1.4.5 to come out so I can test :D
Jun 21 04:26:50 <jhojho> what is 1.4.5? =0
Jun 21 04:27:04 <rwhitby> some rumoured release that PreCentral reported on I believe.
Jun 21 04:27:51 <Abyssul> haha... rumor...
Jun 21 04:28:07 <rwhitby> no, rumour
Jun 21 04:28:12 <rwhitby> ;)
Jun 21 04:28:30 <ka6sox-mobile> yes, rumour
Jun 21 04:28:37 <rwhitby> (is that yet another word you US guys spell incorrectly?)
Jun 21 04:28:43 <Abyssul> How is it a rumor if the evidence is an official message from Palm?
Jun 21 04:28:44 <ka6sox-mobile> ya
Jun 21 04:28:48 <Abyssul> Yes... lol
Jun 21 04:28:57 <Tman> it's US english, get over it ;p
Jun 21 04:29:00 <Abyssul> We have to be annoying like that
Jun 21 04:29:16 <ka6sox-mobile> damned yanks!
Jun 21 04:29:27 <rwhitby> the one I simply cannot fathom is the pronunciation of aluminium
Jun 21 04:29:29 <Abyssul> Footboll != soccer, imperial system, etc
Jun 21 04:29:46 <rwhitby> I mean it has an 'i' right there before the 'u'
Jun 21 04:29:48 <Tman> Abyssul: public release?
Jun 21 04:29:52 <Abyssul> ah - loom- eh-num
Jun 21 04:30:18 <Tman> rwhitby: yeah that is whack
Jun 21 04:30:19 <rwhitby> do you say 'cray-num' for cranium too?
Jun 21 04:30:26 <Abyssul> no
Jun 21 04:30:29 <Tman> nope cran-i-um
Jun 21 04:30:37 <Tman> cray-ni-um*
Jun 21 04:30:46 <rwhitby> or 'bar-rum' for barium ?
Jun 21 04:30:53 <ka6sox-mobile> sigh
Jun 21 04:30:56 <Abyssul> cray-ni-um
Jun 21 04:31:00 <bpadalino> bury-em
Jun 21 04:31:13 <Abyssul> barry- um
Jun 21 04:31:15 <rwhitby> so what's with aluminium then?
Jun 21 04:31:23 <Abyssul> Maybe im southern?
Jun 21 04:31:24 <hborders> ok installing 10.4 32 bit server with 2GB RAM on Fusion 2 on my macbook pro
Jun 21 04:31:37 <Abyssul> tman: what do you mean?
Jun 21 04:31:43 <bpadalino> no extra i
Jun 21 04:31:45 <bpadalino> aluminum
Jun 21 04:31:47 <ka6sox-mobile> face it   we murder the Queen's English
Jun 21 04:31:58 <rwhitby> bpadalino: oh, you spell it differently?
Jun 21 04:32:02 <bpadalino> indeed
Jun 21 04:32:17 <rwhitby> that must screw up the periodic table
Jun 21 04:32:21 <Abyssul> Rofl
Jun 21 04:32:39 <Abyssul> What periodic table? Americans don't care about standards like that
Jun 21 04:32:55 <Tman> Abyssul: nevermind.. I remembered that they have warned devs about the update
Jun 21 04:34:18 <Tman> otherwise no one would sign up for EA
Jun 21 04:35:16 <ka6sox-mobile> bbiaf  headed to work to fix the pixi (or break it with a new kernel)
Jun 21 04:35:31 <Tman> :)
Jun 21 04:35:32 <rwhitby> http://old.iupac.org/reports/periodic_table/index.html <- looks like the IUPAC makes a concession for americans who can't spell ;)
Jun 21 04:37:03 <Abyssul> HAha
Jun 21 04:37:26 <ka6sox-mobile> heh
Jun 21 04:39:54 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 21 04:50:05 <guenots> msg/ nickserv register fish4men$ guenots@gmail.com
Jun 21 04:50:30 <ka6sox-work>  hmmm
Jun 21 04:50:30 <Abyssul> ROFL
Jun 21 04:50:37 <halfhalo> lulz
Jun 21 04:51:28 <ka6sox-work> this comes under the heading of "did I really just do that?"
Jun 21 04:57:42 <Tman> lmao
Jun 21 04:58:50 <Abyssul> welcome back
Jun 21 04:59:29 * Tman whistles as he downloads the widk toolchain
Jun 21 05:00:11 <Tman> cross-platform hackery at its finest :D
Jun 21 05:04:52 <Tman> rwhitby: hmm in the WIDK Makefile, it sets variables at the top that define a doctor filename with -1.3.5, but later on in the file it uses names with -1.4.1.1
Jun 21 05:05:29 <rwhitby> Tman: hmm.  I'm not sure the things at the top are used anymore.  are those variables referenced anywhere?
Jun 21 05:05:52 <Tman> rwhitby: I don't think so
Jun 21 05:06:05 <Tman> nope, just checked
Jun 21 05:06:10 <Tman> just thought I'd let you know
Jun 21 05:08:59 <rwhitby> thx
Jun 21 05:09:48 <hborders> rwhitby: what gui should I install on ubuntu server?
Jun 21 05:09:56 <hborders> rwhitby: or do you not use a gui?
Jun 21 05:10:48 <rwhitby> Tman: fixed
Jun 21 05:10:56 <ka6sox-work> gui and server should NEVER be used in the same breath
Jun 21 05:11:03 <rwhitby> hborders: actually, I'm using Ubuntu 10.4 desktop now
Jun 21 05:11:18 <hborders> ok.  i was wondering about that.
Jun 21 05:11:33 <hborders> since I just finished installing server, can I just apt-get a gui?
Jun 21 05:12:06 <jhojho> I only really use gui for 2 things. firefox and terminal =)
Jun 21 05:12:21 <hborders> I'm hoping to use eclipse cdt for development
Jun 21 05:12:25 <hborders> xcode really blows
Jun 21 05:12:49 <Tman> hborders: you can use eclipse on mac
Jun 21 05:13:14 <hborders> yes, but WIDK recommends ubuntu 10.4 lts
Jun 21 05:13:31 <hborders> so im running it in a VM, but I installed server not desktop
Jun 21 05:13:38 <Tman> yeah
Jun 21 05:13:42 <Tman> I have something similar
Jun 21 05:13:42 <hborders> and instead of doing a new download, can't I just apt-get a gui?
Jun 21 05:13:54 <Tman> my setup is to just have a base debian system for WIDK, and SSH into it
Jun 21 05:13:57 <rwhitby> hborders: I use iTerm to access the linux VM for compiling linux stuff :)
Jun 21 05:14:20 <rwhitby> hborders: I nfs mount a case-sensitive disk image mounted on the mac side into the linux side
Jun 21 05:14:31 <hborders> lol
Jun 21 05:14:42 <rwhitby> then I just edit on the mac side :)
Jun 21 05:14:55 <hborders> rwhitby: ok.  that makes sense
Jun 21 05:15:02 <rwhitby> and have two tabs next to each other in iTerm for Mac and Linux
Jun 21 05:15:04 <Tman> rwhitby: hmm good call @ NFS.. I'll look into that
Jun 21 05:15:21 <hborders> I was hoping to set everything up in eclipse cdt and just use that
Jun 21 05:15:27 <hborders> so i'm willing to just run in linux
Jun 21 05:15:30 <rwhitby> virtualbox shared folders can't do linux fs semantics
Jun 21 05:15:44 <hborders> i'm using fusion
Jun 21 05:15:46 <hborders> so I should be fine
Jun 21 05:16:28 <Tman> whoo toolchain done
Jun 21 05:16:32 <rwhitby> hborders: oh, fusion can share case-sensitive filesystems with symlinks between host and guest?
Jun 21 05:17:29 <hborders> rwhitby: hrm, actually, that might be a little much.  I dunno.  Anyways, I figured I'd just start with doing everything in linux and then move stuff back to mac as I become better at this
Jun 21 05:17:48 <hborders> so does anyone have an apt-get gui suggestion?  otherwise, I'll just download desktop and start over
Jun 21 05:18:13 <Tman> I believe I saw somewhere that the package is ubuntudesktop
Jun 21 05:18:14 <rwhitby> hborders: I'd start over.  I don't understand Linux GUIs.
Jun 21 05:19:56 <jhojho> rwhitby:  it's kind of frankenstein but you could run dropbox on the mac and linux vm =)
Jun 21 05:20:19 <rwhitby> jhojho: no good when not connected to the internet though
Jun 21 05:20:31 <dtzWill> hborders: the big two are gnome/kde. ubuntu defaults to gnome, that's what desktop has.
Jun 21 05:20:39 <rwhitby> I need cross-platform mounting on the bus :)
Jun 21 05:20:47 <dtzWill> hborders: i think the metapackage for the whole bundle is 'gnome-desktop', but don't hold me to it
Jun 21 05:20:48 <jhojho> I think dropbox has an option to do local sync between local machines
Jun 21 05:20:59 <hborders> I just did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
Jun 21 05:21:03 <hborders> and the wheels are turning
Jun 21 05:21:12 <jhojho> I havent really investigated foldersharing between fusion
Jun 21 05:21:22 <eric2k> anyone awake?
Jun 21 05:21:44 <rwhitby> somewhere in the world, yes.
Jun 21 05:22:02 <jhojho> this is what I know. I use vmware to run win xp for a program that copies and renames pictures. it writes it to a shared folder with the mac and seems to work fine
Jun 21 05:25:02 <Tman> hm.. what should I add to sources.list to get qemu-kvm-extras?
Jun 21 05:25:32 <BeeRad> Getting ipkg install errors like crazy all of the sudden........ Grumblecakes.
Jun 21 05:25:41 <rwhitby> jhojho: yeah, shared folders is fine for normal files
Jun 21 05:28:39 <hborders> desktop is installing now...
Jun 21 05:29:14 <BeeRad> Lit List Launcher patch will.....not......install. >:(
Jun 21 05:29:36 <BeeRad> Lite*
Jun 21 05:35:40 <Kyusaku> do you have any other launcher patches installed?
Jun 21 05:37:18 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: Advanced Configuration for App Launcher
Jun 21 05:38:10 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: No other icon patches though.
Jun 21 05:38:45 <Kyusaku> Advanced Config does A LOT to the launcher files
Jun 21 05:39:55 <Kyusaku> a lot of patches cannot coexist
Jun 21 05:40:27 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: Removing to see if thats the issue.
Jun 21 05:40:44 <Kyusaku> it most likely is the issue
Jun 21 05:41:03 <Kyusaku> unless the patch developer says it should be compatible
Jun 21 05:42:18 <Kyusaku> description says may not work with other patches
Jun 21 05:42:37 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: Still denied.
Jun 21 05:42:48 <Kyusaku> did you restart luna?
Jun 21 05:43:37 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: Yes.
Jun 21 05:44:27 <Kyusaku> consult the patch developer then
Jun 21 05:44:42 <Kyusaku> there's a thread
Jun 21 05:44:49 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: The only other patch I can think of is the Glass Effect.
Jun 21 05:45:15 <Kyusaku> I never used that patch
Jun 21 05:45:21 <ka6sox-work> Tman, you still here?
Jun 21 05:45:26 <Tman> yup
Jun 21 05:45:34 <Kyusaku> but if it's an app launcher patch....
Jun 21 05:45:53 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: Trying it.
Jun 21 05:46:16 <ka6sox-work> Tman, that is just the coolest!
Jun 21 05:46:40 <ka6sox-work> hmmm...lets see how warm this makes the pre.
Jun 21 05:46:50 <Tman> ka6sox-work: haha :D
Jun 21 05:46:51 <ka6sox-work> Tman, have you tested it on pixi?
Jun 21 05:47:12 <Tman> ka6sox-work: nope, I don't have one to test
Jun 21 05:47:21 * ka6sox-work checks it out on pixi
Jun 21 05:47:23 <ka6sox-work> jas
Jun 21 05:48:09 <Tman> ka6sox-work: and I might have the res hard coded in there somewhere.. /most/ of the app is ready for any resolution but some of my impatience with opengl hacking might have undermined that :p
Jun 21 05:48:10 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: Glass Effect was the problem. Lite List Launcher installed.
Jun 21 05:48:25 <Kyusaku> BeeRad: here is the patch thread if you need to contact the author
Jun 21 05:48:46 <ka6sox-work> Tman, yep, not gonna open on the pixi, YET.
Jun 21 05:48:54 <ka6sox-work> okay worth trying
Jun 21 05:49:07 <Kyusaku> BeeRad: I'd imagine Advanced Launcher config would also be a problem though
Jun 21 05:49:32 <Kyusaku> I don't have glass effect but do have advanced launcher and it won't install
Jun 21 05:49:36 <Tman> ka6sox-work: ha well I will look into it. might be pretty stressful on the CPU though
Jun 21 05:50:40 <hborders> looks like desktop apt-get succeeded.
Jun 21 05:51:47 <ka6sox-work> Tman, don't sweat it...it works great...I pushed my oscillator to 19khz and still had a good signal
Jun 21 05:52:12 <ka6sox-work> Tman, from about 150hz to 19khz
Jun 21 05:53:04 <Tman> ka6sox-work: ok good.. I haven't actually gone out and tested it with a real oscillator yet.. as sad as that is :p
Jun 21 05:53:14 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: Advanced Configuration for App Launcher just loaded up for me with Lite List Launcher. Glass Effect would not.
Jun 21 05:53:39 <Tman> ka6sox-work: so it doesn't pick up well below 150Hz?
Jun 21 05:53:47 <Kyusaku> ok good luck with that
Jun 21 05:53:56 <ka6sox-work> didn't want to hurt the little speaker
Jun 21 05:54:08 <Tman> ok gotcha
Jun 21 05:54:23 <Tman> there are some subs I can go test it with :p
Jun 21 05:54:38 <ka6sox-work> give me that 20hz rumble
Jun 21 05:54:43 <Kyusaku> BeeRad: it generally spells trouble if patches can only be installed a certain way.
Jun 21 05:54:44 <ka6sox-work> and 11hz too.
Jun 21 05:54:55 <Tman> 11hz huh? oh my
Jun 21 05:55:33 <Tman> and the frequencies matched the oscillator correct?
Jun 21 05:55:44 <ka6sox-work> Tman, very close
Jun 21 05:56:01 <ka6sox-work> can I put direct into the 3 ring input?
Jun 21 05:56:04 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: So far its working fine. The only thing that I don't like already is that naming pages isn't formatting so well with the Lite Listi Launcher patch because the title of the page is now covering the first app on each page. I would have to shut that off.
Jun 21 05:56:17 <ka6sox-work> I have a 3 ring connector
Jun 21 05:56:26 <Tman> ka6sox-work: that's planned but I don't think it would work yet
Jun 21 05:56:30 <ka6sox-work> Okay
Jun 21 05:56:37 <ka6sox-work> lemme know when so I can test.
Jun 21 05:56:48 <Tman> pretty limited feature set still :p
Jun 21 05:56:51 <eric2k> I have a few questions, bit of a newbie when it comes to WebOS/PRE's.  I have been reading since launch and readover fair bit of threads at precenteral.
Jun 21 05:56:55 <Tman> will do. thanks for testing!
Jun 21 05:56:59 <ka6sox-work> Tman, not a problem
Jun 21 05:57:10 <eric2k> 1.is http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/ the best spot for patchs?
Jun 21 05:57:15 <ka6sox-work> Tommorrow I'll see if it detects the bad fan...out of 10 fand
Jun 21 05:57:19 <ka6sox-work> er fans
Jun 21 05:57:42 <ka6sox-work> Tman, 10ea 10" Fans
Jun 21 05:57:51 <Tman> cool
Jun 21 05:58:01 <Kyusaku> eric2k: it's the best place to research patches on the desktop
Jun 21 05:58:04 <eric2k> 2.http://forums.precentral.net is that the best forum for pre users? Which other major discussion spots are there?   IE windows mobile/andriod we have PPCG/XDA.
Jun 21 05:58:08 <ka6sox-work> has to move 1300CFM of air.
Jun 21 05:58:17 <Tman> I think 22.05kHz is at the very edge if that's what you need
Jun 21 05:58:38 <ka6sox-work> Tman, I'm looking for harmonics of 3600
Jun 21 05:59:07 <ka6sox-work> 7200, 14400 etc
Jun 21 05:59:08 <eric2k> On device which is the best method of looking at patchs? Is there a cydia type deal as on iphone?
Jun 21 05:59:36 <Kyusaku> eric2k: there's a site for people trying to hack the modem on the pre I forget the address though
Jun 21 05:59:37 <saurik> eric2k: preware
Jun 21 05:59:49 <Tman> ka6sox-work: ok. would it be beneficial if you could actually dial in specific Hz values?
Jun 21 06:00:11 <ka6sox-work> if I could put a marker on a specific frequency? yes
Jun 21 06:00:25 <ka6sox-work> absolutely
Jun 21 06:00:41 <ka6sox-work> and also change the span.
Jun 21 06:00:45 <ka6sox-work> (but thats later.
Jun 21 06:00:45 <Tman> well you can now, just with touch which isn't perfectly accurate for picking a frequency
Jun 21 06:00:47 <ka6sox-work> )
Jun 21 06:00:48 <eric2k> I have read the horrer storys on Palm Pre quality. I am here in canada.  Are the batchs we have here abit better?  Is there anything i can do besides looking for crack lines on screen/charger port /looking for slider twist/gap  between screen closed?
Jun 21 06:00:53 <ka6sox-work> Tman right
Jun 21 06:01:03 <ka6sox-work> need box to dial it up or down
Jun 21 06:01:10 <Tman> what do you mean by span?
Jun 21 06:01:27 <eric2k> IE: could i use the ## codes to look at manufacture date to get a better idea? would that even help.... IE; after X date they should be okay?
Jun 21 06:01:38 <ka6sox-work> Tman, right now its 0-22.05khz
Jun 21 06:01:52 <ka6sox-work> I"d like to see 900 -1100 only  D
Jun 21 06:01:54 <ka6sox-work> :D
Jun 21 06:02:13 <eric2k> and yeah for reading up forum wise. any suggestions besides precentral?
Jun 21 06:02:28 <ka6sox-work> Tman, or 0-3.5khz (speech)
Jun 21 06:02:50 <Tman> you know you can zoom right? 900-1100 is too narrow for what it allows now but zoom and pan should help you with that
Jun 21 06:03:02 <ka6sox-work> Tman, kewl
Jun 21 06:03:17 <ka6sox-work> okay I'll play with it tommorrow and report back
Jun 21 06:03:26 <Tman> k thanks
Jun 21 06:03:47 <ka6sox-work> those fans are $220 so shotgunning them isn't practical.
Jun 21 06:04:08 <Tman> hah
Jun 21 06:04:27 <ka6sox-work> I normally use a stethescope
Jun 21 06:04:53 <Kyusaku> eric2k: there's a list of key codes let me find them, in regards to forum content what are you looking for
Jun 21 06:07:53 <eric2k> I just like knowing the best spots to read/where people are. All i can find is the offical Palm forums and PreCentral.  for andriod land/windowsmobile/iphone i know the spots. WebOS is a new beast.
Jun 21 06:08:21 <eric2k> I hate asking questions. easyer to just read. Saw this IRC. Figured instead of wasteing my time you guys would point me in the right direction a lot faster lol.
Jun 21 06:08:45 <eric2k> and so far you have :)  , did not even know about preware lol
Jun 21 06:08:47 <Kyusaku> eric2k: the PDF attached here http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/186420-palm-pre-pixi-tips-tricks.html has dial codes on the 5th page
Jun 21 06:09:06 <Kyusaku> eric2k: the code you probably want is ##786#
Jun 21 06:09:33 <Kyusaku> eric2k: and the build date should be "WARRANTYDATECODE"
Jun 21 06:10:36 <Kyusaku> precentral hosts casual users as well as the hardcore hackers who are modifying the phone kernel
Jun 21 06:10:44 <eric2k> Is there a manufature date which after that point the quality was better? I know Sprint has more of the bad batch then bell got.
Jun 21 06:11:11 <Kyusaku> nothing definite
Jun 21 06:11:15 <eric2k> pre is such a steal here in canada now. $150 used in decent condition now.
Jun 21 06:11:54 <eric2k> Plus 15$ for unlimited data only for pre. Addon to any existing plan.
Jun 21 06:12:11 <eric2k> bell also lowered no contract price to 299 lol
Jun 21 06:12:32 <eric2k> So i can see a real rush of people going into pres from canada. Just like the HTC touch before it.
Jun 21 06:12:46 <BeeRad> Has anybody tried the Show Actual Battery Percent patch yet? Is it really a huge difference?
Jun 21 06:13:06 <eric2k> I made the famous NFSFAN rom with my friend for the old CDMA touch. Ton of users been asking me about pre. Now with this deal going on.
Jun 21 06:13:39 <Kyusaku> BeeRad: if it's anything like the old patch not a huge difference
Jun 21 06:13:51 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: Thanks man.
Jun 21 06:13:57 <Kyusaku> BeeRad: your phone will never read 100%
Jun 21 06:15:33 <Kyusaku> eric2k: not much ROM cooking on WebOS partly because Preware and other soutions make customizing the device pretty easily
Jun 21 06:15:51 <eric2k> Seems like a iphone sort of setup.
Jun 21 06:16:08 <Kyusaku> plenty of kernel hacking though
Jun 21 06:16:09 <eric2k> IE:PreWare has the addons Cydia allows for that makes the iphone somewhat bareable.
Jun 21 06:16:23 <BeeRad> Preware/Homebrew practically make you feel as if you you're the ROM chef using a kitchen. Just make the phone what you want it to be. A lot less headache.
Jun 21 06:16:36 <eric2k> Andriod, you can add third party sources for edits. The custom bootloaders/firmwarees are just way better though.
Jun 21 06:16:46 <eric2k> Have a N1/Galaxy
Jun 21 06:16:53 <Kyusaku> eric2k: I've never had an iPhone so I can't make a comparison
Jun 21 06:17:50 <saurik> Kyusaku: Cydia is just another package manager, like preware (based on apt/dpkg, instead of ipkg)
Jun 21 06:17:58 <eric2k> I had a iPhone. Sold it before i switched to CDMA carrier for profit. Just before 3g launch.  Although i got my sister a 3g and have continued to play around. MIGHT consider a iphone 4 under contract. I get a hardware upgrade credit every 1.5 years.
Jun 21 06:18:19 <Kyusaku> eric2k: but preware gives on device access to applications, themes, patches to change the OS functionality, modify the base  kernel, etc.
Jun 21 06:18:41 <eric2k> yeah, very powerful :)
Jun 21 06:19:01 <eric2k> I cant wait to get a pre. I been holding off for a year now. Prices are so damn cheap now on them used. Plus 15$ data. how can i say no...
Jun 21 06:20:49 <eric2k> Im a smatphone whore.  N1/ Omnia II   and I prob will be getting a iphone 4(199 on contract might as well. Resale value on them hold easily)
Jun 21 06:20:53 <eric2k> Might as well get a pre :)
Jun 21 06:22:19 <eric2k> s60 has no point, n8 camera does look great. MeeGo has no hardware with the right  bands in north america yet. N9 might be the ticket.
Jun 21 06:23:58 <rwhitby> eric2k: welcome.  this channel is where you'll see the best hacking for the pre.  webos-internals.org is the best information site, and precentral.net is the best forum site.  with those three places, you can't go wrong.
Jun 21 06:24:34 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: This Launcher setup is actually feeling quite lite on its feet and I haven't found any issues yet. I don't really see the need for Glass Effect at this point as Lite List Launcher almost looks the same. Not quite, but close.
Jun 21 06:24:56 <rwhitby> eric2k: and there are no custom roms for webOS devices, cause Preware can replace kernels on the fly without needing to reflash the whole device
Jun 21 06:25:09 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Amen.
Jun 21 06:26:03 <BeeRad> rwhitby: And I don't have to wait for a new ROMs from chefs for special enhancements. Thats what *I* do with Preware/Homebrew.
Jun 21 06:29:14 <eric2k> yeah thats not a bad situation. I don't mind it.   over in andrid/winmo/bbos ... lol waiting for new custom os's is a pain
Jun 21 06:29:19 <rwhitby> BeeRad: yeah, we do things in a way which tends to not create PrimaDonna's and allow anyone to recreate anything we do.  Quite different from most custom rom scenes.
Jun 21 06:29:42 <rwhitby> and intentionally created in that way :)
Jun 21 06:31:33 <hborders> going to bed.  i'll try the directions tomorrow.  ubuntu is done.  :)
Jun 21 06:31:39 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Its a beautiful thing. This community is more of a lifestyle IMO. Android vs. webOS and which is better is strictly personal subjective opinion. I think it comes more down to how do you want things to work? I personally cant stand waiting around for a ROM chef to create a new ROM and all the mess that goes with rooting a device, etc etc. At this point the motto still stands...."it's near impossible to brick a Pre" and
Jun 21 06:32:16 <eric2k> I wish bell had not been stupid. they released the CMDA pre 2 months before opening HSPA network.
Jun 21 06:32:26 <eric2k> It was dead on arivval no one gave it a chance. Bell only pushed it for 1 month...
Jun 21 06:32:43 <eric2k> every rep was saying wait for the iphone.
Jun 21 06:33:55 <Tman> rwhitby: I gave up on debian btw. Installing ubuntu ;p
Jun 21 06:34:35 <ka6sox-work> Tman, not even sure squeeze has everything needed.
Jun 21 06:34:38 <rwhitby> BeeRad: the basic foundational rule that all the information and source code and build instructions to replicate anything on ipkg.preware.org exists in public respositories has a powerful flow-on effect.
Jun 21 06:35:21 <BeeRad> rwhitby: And it shows. ;)
Jun 21 06:38:28 <BeeRad> rwhitby: with what has been promised for release this fall for webOS from Palm, are you really feeling like this OS is going to make leaps forward, or is it mostly a cautious "wait and see" approach? Legit claims or just hot air?
Jun 21 06:41:43 <Tman> BeeRad: are you referring to the extended APIs or more than just that?
Jun 21 06:42:33 <BeeRad> Tman: Under the hood improvements.
Jun 21 06:42:54 <eric2k> Is there any site like http://pleasefixtheiphone.com/  for webos?
Jun 21 06:43:02 <Kyusaku> the couchDB and other things I imagine
Jun 21 06:44:33 <Tman> ah yeah
Jun 21 06:44:46 <Tman> I read about all of it.. just can't remember it :p
Jun 21 06:44:59 <Kyusaku> eric2k: lol no. But Palm support is often lending its ear to support and issues on communities like Precentral
Jun 21 06:46:01 <eric2k> they should be a nice wishlist thread lol. Thats actually updated as things are fixed. I been reading around and all thoes posts listing things are from 2009. Never updated. then 50 pages long.
Jun 21 06:46:06 <eric2k> First post should be updated lol
Jun 21 06:46:43 <eric2k> IE
Jun 21 06:46:44 <Kyusaku> I think there's a wishlist thread in Palm Support forum
Jun 21 06:46:44 <eric2k> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/182595-buglist-pre.html
Jun 21 06:47:13 <eric2k> they took down the http://pre.uservoice.com/pages/21043-palm-pre-feature-requests?filter=top&page=1 page
Jun 21 06:47:22 <eric2k> They HAD A features request page up
Jun 21 06:47:56 <jhojho> didnt know the uservoice page was taken down
Jun 21 06:47:58 <jhojho> that's too bad
Jun 21 06:48:00 <eric2k> but meh to want/wish list. Palm has a email box where you can send things.
Jun 21 06:48:14 <eric2k> On there support page you can request/explain why
Jun 21 06:48:31 <eric2k> What i am woundering is, anyone know besides reading all 50 pages on precenteral buglist thread...
Jun 21 06:48:43 <jhojho> i like uservoice for people having a list of specific feature requests
Jun 21 06:48:46 <eric2k> is there a nice 1.4.1 up to date POST 1.4.1 with bugs?
Jun 21 06:48:58 <rwhitby> eric2k: not that I know of
Jun 21 06:49:34 <rwhitby> eric2k: if you're going to be doing serious dev, you want to get on the developer.palm.com forums and apply for early access
Jun 21 06:50:13 <rwhitby> BeeRad: db8 and couchDB will likely be the basis of feed access in Preware Gen 2
Jun 21 06:50:30 <eric2k> Im just dipping my toes in the pond right now.  I been mullling over a Pre since it launched.  I have been using windows mobile as my daily driver for years.
Jun 21 06:50:38 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 21 06:50:59 <eric2k> I feel like Andriod is a bit of a let down.  Windows Phone 7 will be ages.  WebOS. Ive played with it and it leaves me feeling hmm this could be it.
Jun 21 06:51:33 <swisstomcat> yeah, it's really nice
Jun 21 06:51:34 <eric2k> WebOS even on the current PRE can standup to almost anything.  Couple it with some real hardware :) hmmm i like that idea.
Jun 21 06:52:15 <BeeRad> rwhitby: the V8 engine should be making its way into webOS soon as well shouldn't it?
Jun 21 06:52:28 <rwhitby> BeeRad: webOS has had v8 for ever
Jun 21 06:52:37 <Kyusaku> lol
Jun 21 06:52:48 <BeeRad> rwhitby: pardon me....sorry I mean the newest improvements.....
Jun 21 06:52:54 <Kyusaku> yeah v8 has been there since launch
Jun 21 06:52:55 <eric2k> anyone else come from Windows Mobile/Andriod to webos/pre?
Jun 21 06:53:17 <Kyusaku> I came from WinMo
Jun 21 06:53:24 <Kyusaku> 6.1
Jun 21 06:53:28 <rwhitby> eric2k: I used to run android-internals.org, but gave it up due to lack of interest
Jun 21 06:53:29 <Kyusaku> on a treo
Jun 21 06:53:31 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Didnt Google just improve the heck out of the V8 engine?
Jun 21 06:53:53 <swisstomcat> i came from a treo too
Jun 21 06:54:09 <eric2k> Andriod is a huge disappointment. I do not get why blogs give it so much credit.
Jun 21 06:54:49 <Kyusaku> Android has done well with API access
Jun 21 06:55:28 <eric2k> Only 2.2 has opened things up. I talk with Betaboy of coreplayer team a fair bit. Also a buddie off team working on kinoma.
Jun 21 06:55:45 <eric2k> Trying to get coreplayer ported and working properly has been fun. Almost there now for coreplayer.
Jun 21 06:56:53 <eric2k> as for Andriod devices.  In canada.... Dream/Magic/EVE/Galaxy/hero have all be lack luster devices. Low ram/old cpu. GPUs re lackluster. Then the new moto triplets suck even more.
Jun 21 06:57:15 <eric2k> DROID is the only good canadian device and it is still not rooted.
Jun 21 06:57:54 <eric2k> buying an Nexus one is not worth the cost at like 700$ after shipping in canada.
Jun 21 06:58:04 <rwhitby> I personally don't bother trying to root a device on which the manufacturer is hostile/
Jun 21 06:59:35 <rwhitby> that game is for the prima donna's, not those who want to set up stable complementary avenues for deeper development that the manufacturer doesn't have to send lawyers against
Jun 21 07:00:12 <BeeRad> rwhitby: *coughcoughHTCcoughcough*
Jun 21 07:00:46 <eric2k> Sorta annoying waiting and hopeing motorola will update a device with andriod 1.5 on it. Or people with droids drooling over 2.2 and waiting till maybe september for it.
Jun 21 07:02:41 <eric2k> I feel like palm could do so well in canada atleast. Launch a HSPA device on all 3 networks here.  8-11mm well built slate with 4’0 inch screen with decent resolution and Same processor as Galaxy S or Droid X or even combo on N8 or n9. throw a 8MP camera/xenon flash.
Jun 21 07:03:30 <eric2k> Price it at 150$ on a 3 year contract here in canada. People would consider it over a iphone at 199
Jun 21 07:03:41 <jhojho> wow . this is stupid http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15338527
Jun 21 07:03:43 <jhojho> OT
Jun 21 07:04:18 <eric2k> LOL
Jun 21 07:04:28 <BeeRad> jhojho: Thats retarded!
Jun 21 07:04:49 <rwhitby> GooglePlatest
Jun 21 07:04:53 <rwhitby> GooglePlates
Jun 21 07:04:58 <eric2k> LOl
Jun 21 07:05:05 <jhojho> that has got to be the silliest thing i have seen in a while.
Jun 21 07:05:41 <swisstomcat> is it april 1st?
Jun 21 07:05:41 <rwhitby> I won't be surprised when it is enacted.
Jun 21 07:05:42 <BeeRad> "Sorry officer, I was watching a captivating Apple commercial and then I hit their car"......
Jun 21 07:06:07 <rwhitby> "It passed unanimously through the Senate last month"
Jun 21 07:06:23 <Tman> lol
Jun 21 07:06:41 <BeeRad> Government will reap the ad revenue Im sure.
Jun 21 07:07:00 <Kyusaku> lol electric plates made me think of the bar code license plates in Back to the Future 2
Jun 21 07:07:33 <Tman> leave it to California.. seriously..
Jun 21 07:08:10 <rwhitby> BeeRad: think of the aftermarket hacks to display rude messages to people who cut you off
Jun 21 07:08:27 <BeeRad> rwhitby: LOL.
Jun 21 07:08:41 <BeeRad> *middle finger*
Jun 21 07:09:48 <rwhitby> animated
Jun 21 07:10:20 <rwhitby> and think of how the adult industry in LA can take advantage of it too
Jun 21 07:10:51 <BeeRad> rwhitby: what if hackers could hack YOUR plates? Show off your phone number, address, email.. :O
Jun 21 07:11:26 <rwhitby> autovirus
Jun 21 07:12:10 <Kyusaku> car thieves could so take advantage of that
Jun 21 07:12:24 <Kyusaku> no need to swap plates
Jun 21 07:12:36 <eric2k> Question for you guys
Jun 21 07:12:49 <BeeRad> What if the plates could REPORT a stolen car though. Never know....
Jun 21 07:12:56 <eric2k> Has Palm or palm staff ever mentioned or commented on HTML5/WebOS?
Jun 21 07:13:01 <eric2k> IE the browser updates
Jun 21 07:13:03 <swisstomcat> what part?
Jun 21 07:13:15 <eric2k> Will it have more support/whats the plans for html5
Jun 21 07:13:23 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 21 07:13:28 <swisstomcat> they have hinted at html5 improvments e.g geolocation at the developer days
Jun 21 07:13:30 <Kyusaku> they added a bunch on canvas support a few updates ago
Jun 21 07:13:46 <swisstomcat> for the big summer/fall update
Jun 21 07:13:58 <rwhitby> eric2k: take a look at the developer day keynote speech video
Jun 21 07:14:04 <Kyusaku> they welcome both HTML5 and Flash
Jun 21 07:14:18 <BeeRad> Flash.....meh. *shutter*
Jun 21 07:14:44 <jhojho> ka6sox-work: can you drop in dropbox the defconfig for the stock pixi kernel?
Jun 21 07:14:49 <Kyusaku> just saying, since the whole HTML5 vs Flash debacle
Jun 21 07:14:55 <BeeRad> Yeah I know.
Jun 21 07:15:04 <BeeRad> I think Flash is just a bridge IMO.
Jun 21 07:15:18 <ka6sox-work> its in git
Jun 21 07:15:37 <ka6sox-work> jhojho, its in git kernels/patches.git
Jun 21 07:15:57 <eric2k> HTML5+javascript+CSS you can do a lot.
Jun 21 07:16:32 <eric2k> although HTML5 will not be finalized for sometime. In its current state HTML5 can not do some basic silverlight4 browser based stuff.
Jun 21 07:16:43 <eric2k> thats not a biggie though
Jun 21 07:16:58 <jhojho> ka6sox-work: I dont see it.
Jun 21 07:17:16 <BeeRad> jhojho: So are you leading the way for Pixi awesomeness?
Jun 21 07:17:21 <eric2k> my general point is  going to http://www.kesiev.com/akihabara/
Jun 21 07:17:22 <jhojho> I'm looking for the full config
Jun 21 07:17:28 <jhojho> BeeRad: no comment
Jun 21 07:17:30 <eric2k> Do thoes HTML5 games work on current 1.4.1 browser?
Jun 21 07:17:37 <jhojho> i'm experimenting
Jun 21 07:17:41 <BeeRad> jhojho: Booooo
Jun 21 07:17:42 <jhojho> that's all I am saying right now
Jun 21 07:17:52 <eric2k> im working on a little project and will be similar to thoes games there.
Jun 21 07:17:57 <BeeRad> jhojho: Should I buy one? ;)
Jun 21 07:18:09 <jhojho> you should buy one regardless
Jun 21 07:18:12 <jhojho> i like the pixi
Jun 21 07:18:32 <eric2k> anyone mind trying one of thoes games on pre
Jun 21 07:18:35 <eric2k> see if it loads even?
Jun 21 07:18:36 <BeeRad> jhojho: Well DUH. But I mean...should I REALLY *wink wink* be buying one? haha
Jun 21 07:18:44 <eric2k> works fine on iphone/operamobile 10
Jun 21 07:18:56 <eric2k> Not so much on andriod
Jun 21 07:18:56 <jhojho> I dont work for palm
Jun 21 07:19:00 <jhojho> so yes
Jun 21 07:19:09 <jhojho> but it's your $$$
Jun 21 07:19:15 <Kyusaku> eric2k: I remember an article on precentral saying they work on pre, gonna try
Jun 21 07:19:27 <eric2k> kk try any one of thoes games out
Jun 21 07:19:32 <eric2k> tell me if sound comes through also in game
Jun 21 07:19:35 <eric2k> very interested
Jun 21 07:19:43 * BeeRad smacks forehead. I dont think he gets my angle....lol
Jun 21 07:19:49 <jhojho> but i like the pixi enuff that i'm willing to trade a att pre plus for a eu banded pixi plus
Jun 21 07:20:01 <jhojho> it's late and I need more food
Jun 21 07:20:08 <jhojho> =)
Jun 21 07:20:17 <BeeRad> jhojho: Understood.
Jun 21 07:20:49 <jhojho> anyone know of a good visual diff tool for mac?
Jun 21 07:20:52 <eric2k> Really Jho? why no love for pre?
Jun 21 07:21:06 <eric2k> Pre Plus HSPA eu band shuld own the pixi? lol?
Jun 21 07:21:09 <BeeRad> jhojho: What Im saying is.....there has been some mumbling of Pixi improvements under the hood, and if so....I want on that bandwagon early. I prefer the Pixi form factor over the Pre honestly.
Jun 21 07:21:18 <eric2k> O
Jun 21 07:21:37 <eric2k> Pixi's screen is so tiny though :(
Jun 21 07:21:50 <BeeRad> For you maybe. Just saying....
Jun 21 07:22:08 <eric2k> after having 3'7 incher Omnia II/Nexus One.... it feels so weird using a blackberry bold900
Jun 21 07:22:16 <BeeRad> I dont need a huge screen, and no offense, 3.1 on the Pre isnt that large.
Jun 21 07:22:21 <swisstomcat> try this html5 game: http://jsway.se/m/
Jun 21 07:22:57 <BeeRad> The slider alone makes me want to move to the Pixi+ full time.
Jun 21 07:24:19 <BeeRad> I swear, if the Pixi had a different name...more people would have them. Im serious.
Jun 21 07:24:32 <eric2k> LoL Palm has made so many mistakes its not funny
Jun 21 07:24:43 <eric2k> but a lot of good on other hand
Jun 21 07:24:49 <eric2k> the mistakes they make should not be mistakes
Jun 21 07:24:52 <eric2k> it boggles my mind
Jun 21 07:25:00 <BeeRad> It could be a 1ghz, 512 RAM 8MP cam monster and because of the name alone....people wouldnt buy it. Just sayin.
Jun 21 07:25:11 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 21 07:25:15 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, I LOVE my Pixi and Pixi Plus...(although I'll never have my hands on the Pixi again....wife has it now)
Jun 21 07:25:54 <BeeRad> ka6sox-work: I know, we talked about that the other night. Did you finally get the one squared away and running?
Jun 21 07:26:27 <eric2k> that games sweet
Jun 21 07:26:27 <bhuey> Does the developer of the message plugin patch lurk here ?
Jun 21 07:26:48 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, I got another battery
Jun 21 07:26:57 <ka6sox-work> from Sprint
Jun 21 07:27:12 <ka6sox-work> and put it on my plan...so she is happy now.
Jun 21 07:27:35 <BeeRad> ka6sox-work: Right, I remember that was the issue, but weren't you still find things under the hood that were ill?
Jun 21 07:27:56 <eric2k> swiss
Jun 21 07:27:59 <eric2k> did you make that orb game?
Jun 21 07:29:31 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, not really...bad Sim but Sprint fixed that
Jun 21 07:29:57 <ka6sox-work> they were just happy to have it on contract.
Jun 21 07:32:20 <Tman> my workspace has 20 windows open over two screens.. and that's just my webos space
Jun 21 07:33:08 <Tman> things are getting out of hand :p
Jun 21 07:35:29 <jhojho> man araxis merge is crazy expensive
Jun 21 07:35:45 <jhojho> all I wanted was a nice diff tool. getting old.
Jun 21 07:38:39 <swisstomcat> eric2k: no, not my game
Jun 21 07:39:16 <eric2k> how do you guys always message like that? im on the webchat.freenode.net
Jun 21 07:39:21 <eric2k> geussing you guys are on MIRC? or something
Jun 21 07:39:31 <ka6sox-work> jhojho, http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/1.4.1.1/linuxkernel-2.6.24-patch(pixi).gz
Jun 21 07:39:40 <Tman> x-chat for me
Jun 21 07:39:42 <ka6sox-work> thats where the defconfig for the pixi is :D
Jun 21 07:40:07 <ka6sox-work> jhojho, second .config (first one is pre, second is pixi)
Jun 21 07:40:44 <jhojho> gak
Jun 21 07:40:49 <ka6sox-work> its not that bad.
Jun 21 07:40:53 <jhojho>  now I have to find a kernel to patch
Jun 21 07:41:05 <ka6sox-work> the kernel is there too!
Jun 21 07:41:10 <ka6sox-work> jas...lemme get that one too.
Jun 21 07:41:16 <ka6sox-work> (I just read the patch
Jun 21 07:41:17 <ka6sox-work> )
Jun 21 07:41:23 <eric2k> random question did they add auto correct to webos when typeing?
Jun 21 07:42:11 <ka6sox-work> dropbox crashed FF
Jun 21 07:42:40 <ka6sox-work> the link is @ opensource.palm.com
Jun 21 07:42:49 <jhojho> yeah
Jun 21 07:42:55 <jhojho> I know
Jun 21 07:43:09 <jhojho> i just figured it was easier to copy it off a pixi
Jun 21 07:44:04 <ka6sox-work> jas...its the chuck config
Jun 21 07:44:14 <ka6sox-work> its in /boot
Jun 21 07:44:30 <ka6sox-work> ugh...
Jun 21 07:45:47 <BeeRad> Hey, how many of you guys are actively doing dev work on/for the Pixi at this time?
Jun 21 07:52:41 <BeeRad> G'night gentlemen.
Jun 21 08:00:46 <ka6sox-work> I found an error in optware open ssh that I now have to fix...oh well.
Jun 21 08:03:02 <ka6sox-work> ERROR:gitosis.serve.main:Arguments to command look dangerous
Jun 21 08:05:15 <swisstomcat> :)
Jun 21 08:08:13 <jhojho> I wonder if dropbox linux will compile under arm...
Jun 21 08:08:36 <jhojho> that could be a quick way to get dropbox on the pre =)
Jun 21 08:10:08 <ka6sox-work> Good Luck! (I
Jun 21 08:10:12 <ka6sox-work> 'd like to see it)
Jun 21 08:10:16 <jhojho> nah.
Jun 21 08:10:19 <ka6sox-work> okay I need to sleep...
Jun 21 08:10:24 <jhojho> someone else can take that one
Jun 21 08:12:03 <ka6sox-work> Good Plan(tm)
Jun 21 08:12:07 <jhojho> i'll see about flipping on all the bits for warthog next.  all governors, io sched, etc.
Jun 21 08:12:21 <ka6sox-work> got config?
Jun 21 08:12:49 <ka6sox-work> that should be the warthog one.
Jun 21 08:12:55 <ka6sox-work> its what I'm running currently
Jun 21 08:13:02 <ka6sox-work> hasn't broken.
Jun 21 08:13:07 <ka6sox-work> *yet* :D
Jun 21 08:13:26 <jhojho> oh it's not the stock config?
Jun 21 08:13:31 <jhojho> oh well. it's a start
Jun 21 08:13:53 <ka6sox-work> um...you wanted me to test warthog...so thats whats on there:D
Jun 21 08:14:03 <jhojho> no worries
Jun 21 08:14:05 <jhojho> that's fine
Jun 21 08:14:23 <ka6sox-work> just tear apart the pixi/pixi + ipk...its all there>
Jun 21 08:15:19 <jhojho> i just put various variants of ttcp/httperf under the net dir in dropbox
Jun 21 08:15:36 <eric2k> K
Jun 21 08:15:40 <ka6sox-work> warthog is running in both of my machines
Jun 21 08:15:45 <jhojho> the kin looks like someone took a pre and squashed it vertically
Jun 21 08:15:56 <eric2k> selling galaxy for 250 and omnia II for 280. Getting a PRE for 150.   Woot. im excited.
Jun 21 08:16:26 <ka6sox-work> I have an omnia II...cost me $25000
Jun 21 08:16:49 <eric2k> I got my Omnia II for 150CAD
Jun 21 08:16:52 <eric2k> Wicked deal
Jun 21 08:17:09 <eric2k> I might as well make some money.
Jun 21 08:17:14 <eric2k> Still got my touch pro for windows mobile needs.
Jun 21 08:17:19 <ka6sox-work> ya, but I'll bet yours doesn't make Country Music sound AWESOME :D
Jun 21 08:17:39 <eric2k> Which OS do you like better
Jun 21 08:17:46 <eric2k> WindowsMobile or WebOS
Jun 21 08:17:54 <eric2k> Windows Mobile 6.5.5 is not bad.
Jun 21 08:17:58 <ka6sox-work> you have to ask in this channel?
Jun 21 08:18:07 <eric2k> Well you said you had an omnia :P
Jun 21 08:18:33 <ka6sox-work> yes, its an audio processor/stereo generator...
Jun 21 08:18:40 <eric2k> O :P
Jun 21 08:18:46 <eric2k> Im talking about a samsung omnia II :P
Jun 21 08:18:49 <eric2k> a mobile phone
Jun 21 08:19:05 <ka6sox-work> but I've played with wm and it barely passes muster as an OS.
Jun 21 08:19:33 <ka6sox-work> looks more like a loose collection of parts all going in the same direction.(mostly)
Jun 21 08:20:07 <eric2k> LoL have you tried it on a modern device like a TP2/HD2 ETC?
Jun 21 08:20:12 <eric2k> or a o2
Jun 21 08:20:23 <ka6sox-work> no, I gave it up for Lent...never went back.
Jun 21 08:20:47 <ka6sox-work> I switched to a crackberry ATP
Jun 21 08:21:18 <eric2k> 6.5.5 is really good, other then VS iphone/Andriod 2.2/Pre on browser.... opera 10/9.7 cant really hold much to webkit
Jun 21 08:21:29 <eric2k> it is a really powerful platform
Jun 21 08:21:46 <eric2k> webos looks like the new windows mobile for me though :P
Jun 21 08:22:03 <eric2k> With windows 7 being iphone type gayness for atleast a year till it is all hacked up
Jun 21 08:22:13 <ka6sox-work> I'm not much on apps...but comparing base os's hands down webos is much better.
Jun 21 08:23:03 <swisstomcat> erik2k: you probably use HTC sense on top of WM
Jun 21 08:23:19 <ka6sox-work> okay gotta get sleep...nn
Jun 21 08:23:32 <eric2k> to be honest i prefer Microsoft's Titanium UI.
Jun 21 08:23:57 <swisstomcat> night ka6sox
Jun 21 08:24:02 <eric2k> Sense +CHT 1.8.5 is really neat though.
Jun 21 08:24:12 <eric2k> Night ka6sox
Jun 21 08:24:47 <eric2k> which is the best extended battery for cost for pre?
Jun 21 08:24:49 <eric2k> cdma
Jun 21 08:24:56 <swisstomcat> i use the 1400
Jun 21 08:25:08 <swisstomcat> mugen
Jun 21 08:26:10 <eric2k> everyone tells me who got a pre
Jun 21 08:26:23 <eric2k> IT IS GREAT, but get an extended bat 100%.
Jun 21 08:26:35 <eric2k> that and everyone says consider the 800mhz overclock
Jun 21 08:26:45 <eric2k> I figure thats not a bright idea if the battery is already so crap lol
Jun 21 08:26:52 <eric2k> but if its a must have tweak...
Jun 21 08:27:09 <eric2k> sorta like my Galaxy. It runs like POS without 700mhz overclock.
Jun 21 08:28:31 <eric2k> anyone here know much about NDK for webs?
Jun 21 08:28:40 <eric2k> 2.2 finally added NDK for andriod
Jun 21 08:31:48 <rwhitby> eric2k: use screenstate 500/800 - 500 when screen is off, 800 when screen is on.
Jun 21 08:32:08 <rwhitby> native dev is PDK for webOS from Palm, or WIDK from us
Jun 21 08:32:42 <rwhitby> eric2k: what development host OS do you use?
Jun 21 08:32:50 <eric2k> The Android NDK is different from the Palm SDK - NDK can only be used for number crunching. Front end still has to be implemented in Java. So no "recompile, deploy" as in the Palm  SDK.
Jun 21 08:33:16 <eric2k> I have not looked at webos in abit. reading up right now
Jun 21 08:33:30 <rwhitby> eric2k: best thing to do is watch the developer day videos
Jun 21 08:33:32 <eric2k> last i knew the proper native stuff was private
Jun 21 08:34:10 * rwhitby finally found the Govnah bug which is stopping profiles with governor-specific parameters from being recognised
Jun 21 08:41:27 <eric2k> ooo this keynote is nice
Jun 21 08:42:06 <bhuey> yeah, cna't wait until db8 is implementd
Jun 21 08:42:16 <bhuey> hopefully that'll make think much faster under webos
Jun 21 08:42:35 <bhuey> think=things
Jun 21 08:45:15 * rwhitby adds sticky compcache to govnah ...
Jun 21 08:48:58 <jhojho> can anyone confirm that the pixi build uses arch/arm/configs/msm7x25_defconfig?
Jun 21 08:51:28 <rwhitby> jhojho: it does not.
Jun 21 08:51:35 <rwhitby> it uses chuck_defconfig
Jun 21 08:51:48 <jhojho> that was my next guess
Jun 21 08:51:49 <jhojho> ths
Jun 21 08:51:51 <jhojho> thx
Jun 21 08:53:06 <eric2k> do you guys think forthcoming webos releases will make use of GPU for menus and so on? so its all snappy like the current 800mhz patch
Jun 21 08:53:33 <rwhitby> jhojho: are you "dunno" in git ?
Jun 21 08:53:43 <jhojho> heh
Jun 21 08:53:46 <jhojho> yeah
Jun 21 08:53:52 <jhojho> I didnt config it on mason
Jun 21 08:53:56 <jhojho> that's what it default to
Jun 21 08:54:05 <jhojho> i fixed it today after i noticed
Jun 21 08:54:19 <jhojho> I should have left it as dunno =)
Jun 21 08:55:39 <rwhitby> Govnah 0.4.9 is released, with the profile save bug fixed and sticky compcache.  Please recreate any custom profiles.
Jun 21 08:57:43 <swisstomcat> will test new govnah right away
Jun 21 08:57:51 <jhojho> DO IT
Jun 21 08:58:21 <rwhitby> govnah 0.4.9 and Uber 1.4.x-46 should be close to feature complete for a public release
Jun 21 08:58:40 <rwhitby> Both working correctly on Pre and Pixi.
Jun 21 08:58:57 <swisstomcat> and then i should take another look at the visual design of the governor page
Jun 21 08:59:14 <swisstomcat> see if i can split off the compcache part
Jun 21 08:59:32 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: I'd even like three parts.  generic, governor-specific, and compcache
Jun 21 09:00:27 <swisstomcat> just have to crack how oil did that page :)
Jun 21 09:01:07 <jhojho> yeah and pls get ready to be able to set IO sched and TCP congest algo =)
Jun 21 09:01:30 <swisstomcat> that would be another section
Jun 21 09:01:33 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 21 09:01:40 <swisstomcat> networking?
Jun 21 09:03:57 <jhojho> yes
Jun 21 09:04:08 <jhojho> and io sched will be different section too
Jun 21 09:04:29 <swisstomcat> aye
Jun 21 09:04:30 <jhojho> i'm working on flipping the bits for them on warthog
Jun 21 09:05:04 <jhojho> goal is for the config to still default to what pre/pixi shipped with but use govnah to switch
Jun 21 09:05:22 <jhojho> lol. ka6sox-mobile could not stay away
Jun 21 09:05:34 <ka6sox-mobile> heh
Jun 21 09:06:23 <swisstomcat> 0.4.9 and UK-46 are installed .. rebooting
Jun 21 09:06:38 <jhojho> at some point, I'll need volunteers for network testing.
Jun 21 09:07:41 <ka6sox-mobile> jhojho you mean victims?
Jun 21 09:07:59 <jhojho> whatever =P
Jun 21 09:09:41 <ka6sox-mobile> he he
Jun 21 09:09:48 <ka6sox-mobile> nn
Jun 21 14:41:07 <BeeRad> wIRC test...
Jun 21 14:44:50 <bsiegel> test succeeded
Jun 21 14:45:24 <BeeRad> Just reporting Govnah v.0.4.9 has the bug again where <500Mhz isn't showing during screenstate change. i.e. 250/800 125/800....
Jun 21 14:55:31 <en0x> oh stfu
Jun 21 14:56:18 <uNiXpSyChO> works for me?
Jun 21 15:52:10 <jhoweb> rwhitby: check this out. wusaint just sent this to me. http://twitpic.com/1yrarp    are there checks in place to prevent pixi kernels from being installed on pres and vice versa?
Jun 21 15:53:06 <swisstomcat> bbl
Jun 21 15:55:33 <BeeRad_> jhoweb: It looks like the markers for the launcher pages are just covering up the icon text. Space issue?
Jun 21 16:08:21 <Gollyzila> Why is the compcache memlimit in my govnah set to 20240 when that's not even one of the available options?
Jun 21 16:09:56 <Gollyzila> Is anyone else seeing this in their govnah?
Jun 21 16:10:45 <uNiXpSyChO> could you tell us what kernel you are running?
Jun 21 16:11:09 <Gollyzila> Btw, I'm not using a custom profile. It defaulted to Screenstate 500/800. That could be my problem.
Jun 21 16:11:21 <Gollyzila> I'm running 102A Delta Dagger
Jun 21 16:11:37 <Gollyzila> And the latest version of Govnah
Jun 21 16:11:39 <uNiXpSyChO> F102 uses 20MB compcache by default.
Jun 21 16:11:54 <uNiXpSyChO> this is common knowledge for that kernel
Jun 21 16:12:23 <BeeRad_> I'm at 128MB.
Jun 21 16:12:25 <uNiXpSyChO> also F102 *only* uses 500/800 screenstate.  it will not go lower
Jun 21 16:12:41 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad_: you can change it after, but on boot it will be 20MB
Jun 21 16:12:59 <uNiXpSyChO> i think new govnah and F102A build will cooperate more
Jun 21 16:13:07 <Gollyzila> So compcache is not togglable for 102A?
Jun 21 16:13:46 <uNiXpSyChO> it is. if you reboot the settings will default back to 20MB
Jun 21 16:14:05 <uNiXpSyChO> new versions will work better.
Jun 21 16:14:21 <BeeRad_> I chose 128.
Jun 21 16:14:33 <Gollyzila> Oh alright. So the 20240 memlimit is just a bug?
Jun 21 16:14:40 <uNiXpSyChO> but F102 kernels are *well* documented to be barebones and no one should have expected parameter changes from it.
Jun 21 16:14:55 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: absolutely NOT a bug
Jun 21 16:15:23 <Gollyzila> What does 20240 mean then? Is it the memlimit?
Jun 21 16:15:37 <uNiXpSyChO> yes
Jun 21 16:16:00 <Gollyzila> 20240= default to 20MB
Jun 21 16:16:02 <Gollyzila> ?
Jun 21 16:16:20 <uNiXpSyChO> are you puling hairs?
Jun 21 16:16:29 <BeeRad_> I'm observing Govnah in v.0.4.9 not showing anything below 500Mhz in screenstate even though 125 and 250 may be selected. This is watching the graph, not in the CL.
Jun 21 16:17:40 <BeeRad_> Again. I know this was fixed back in 0.4.6 I believe? I forget.
Jun 21 16:17:44 <Gollyzila> uNiXpSyChO: I'm sorry if frustrating you. I just don't understand why it is always switching to 20240 even though the highest option is 128MB.
Jun 21 16:17:45 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad_: I see the graph dip with 0.4.9.
Jun 21 16:18:23 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: Whats your screenstate set to?
Jun 21 16:18:53 <vibol> Gollyzila: Use UberKernel in testing if you want to modify compcache.
Jun 21 16:19:01 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: i just told you.  and it is common knowledge that F102 kernels are statically set so you dont need govnah or anything to control it.  if you want to change the memlimit then you should use F104A or UberKernel.
Jun 21 16:19:26 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad_: 1005/250
Jun 21 16:20:20 <vibol> uNiXpSyChO: where's the changelog for f104a?
Jun 21 16:20:20 <Gollyzila> Everyone:  I don't want to change the memlimit. I was just looking for an explanation for 20240 and I have. Thanks uNiXpSyChO.
Jun 21 16:21:10 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: Hmmm. Maybe a clean reinstall of Govnah is in order?
Jun 21 16:21:26 <Gollyzila> There is no wiki explaining compcache memlimit in govnah, right?
Jun 21 16:21:53 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: i could have sworn you mentioned change compcache number.  maybe i misunderstood.
Jun 21 16:22:40 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: there is no wiki since it is still in testing and it was understood that most people knew what that param was.
Jun 21 16:23:10 <Gollyzila> uNiXpSyChO: Yes I did. But I wasn't realizing I couldn't change the memlimit.
Jun 21 16:23:11 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad_: dunno?  you dont see the graph dip when screen is off?
Jun 21 16:24:56 <uNiXpSyChO> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=compcache
Jun 21 16:25:04 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: Yes, I do....but if you have the screen dimmed enough (i.e. 10% or so) you can actually observe the the dip and the numbers that go with it when the screen dims right before shutting off. I'm sure you know about this.
Jun 21 16:25:35 <Gollyzila> uNiXpSyChO: I just read a post rwhitby posted explaining about free memory and swap and total memory. And I'm searching everywhere as to where the compcache memlimit fits into it. I know compcache compress free memory so it can be used instead of the slow memory,but what I'd like to know is for what type of memory is compcache memlimit referring to.
Jun 21 16:26:02 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: So when I do this with a SS setting of 250/800, when the screen dims before shutting off....it's only dipping to 500Mhz, not 250 as it should. Again, this is just what the graph and numbers are showing. I don't know yet what the CL would say.
Jun 21 16:26:25 <uNiXpSyChO> RAM.  memlimit param tells the driver to *only* use XXX amount of RAM for its compressed pages.
Jun 21 16:27:08 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad_: you using the latest Uber?
Jun 21 16:27:12 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: I wouldn't say this is an "issue" or a "bug", but I've been observing this ever since SS was released. Then I noticed that rwhitby released a Govnah that "fixed" this issue. Then it came back.
Jun 21 16:27:18 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: Yes sir.
Jun 21 16:28:04 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad_: unfortunately if the screen is dimmed way too low it will conflict with TS detection code.  the magic nuber is like 20% or something.
Jun 21 16:28:12 <Gollyzila> uNiXpSyChO: Thank you!!!
Jun 21 16:28:18 <uNiXpSyChO> but i dont know why you see 500 when set at 250
Jun 21 16:28:35 <BeeRad_> UK v1.4.1-46 and Govnah v.0.4.9
Jun 21 16:29:31 <Gollyzila> Actually my brigtness is at 10% and my Pre is running at a maximum of 800MHz
Jun 21 16:30:58 <uNiXpSyChO> mine too.  but some users have apps installed that make the brightness almost go to 0.
Jun 21 16:31:38 <BeeRad_> Yeah, with the screen at 10% it show 800Mhz just fine. It show the SS change at the proper times. The only odd thing I've seen is not reporting the screen off setting properly. Again, not complaining. Doesn't really matter to me. Some other people may complain to no end if they see it though. haha
Jun 21 16:31:46 <uNiXpSyChO> previous versions of Uber SS version did not allow scaling below 500MHz... the newet Uber does.
Jun 21 16:32:36 <Gollyzila> Mode Switcher does that. I see my phone dip to 500MHz when MS makes my brightness go down to 0 (which isn't true 0. I've seen my screen on without a backlight right after unlocking it, but the backlight then quickly turns on)
Jun 21 16:33:00 <uNiXpSyChO> yeah, apps like that can confuse screenstate
Jun 21 16:34:12 <sk4jc> What feed do these new kernels appear in?
Jun 21 16:34:27 <sk4jc> i have the testing feed but is there an alpha feed as well?
Jun 21 16:34:38 <Gollyzila> Wow, I just found uNiXpSyChO 's post explaining the memlimit.
Jun 21 16:34:48 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: what rwhitby was referring to slow memory was "disk".  RAM is faster then any disk, even flash disk.
Jun 21 16:35:05 <Gollyzila> sk4jc: There are separate testing feeds for apps and kernels
Jun 21 16:36:19 <sk4jc> what is the kernel feed?
Jun 21 16:36:27 <Gollyzila> Flash disk is only used when free RAM and swap are used to full capacity?
Jun 21 16:38:03 <Gollyzila> The memory/swap graph in govnah is showing how much RAM is being used or what is left?
Jun 21 16:38:21 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: sort-of.  when the compressed RAM bucket (memlimit) is full then compcache uses the backing-store swap which is usually disk of somekind.  the OS only sees swap, it knows nothing of compress pages, the compcache driver handles the hard work and shuffling of pages.
Jun 21 16:38:40 <Gollyzila> sk4jc: are you asking for the Url?
Jun 21 16:40:15 <Gollyzila> uNiXpSyChO: instead of using another disk, can't compcache use the free RAM? Or is that not optimal usage?
Jun 21 16:40:27 <sk4jc> yes, or the wiki page that might contain it
Jun 21 16:41:06 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: not really optimal.  then you'll have a blackhole :-)
Jun 21 16:41:17 <uNiXpSyChO> hence why there is a memlimit param
Jun 21 16:41:47 <Gollyzila> sk4jc: Are you looking for the testing or public feed? If you want the testing feed,you need to find it yourself. It's a sort of "test" to see if you're ready to be an alpha tester.
Jun 21 16:42:04 <Gollyzila> Cool
Jun 21 16:42:35 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: the govnah graph shows compcache compressed pages+swap backing-store.
Jun 21 16:42:46 <sk4jc> I see, well i found the testing feed before so I'm sure I can find this one. Just lazy i guess.
Jun 21 16:44:36 <sk4jc> ok, found it.
Jun 21 16:45:14 <Gollyzila> uNiXpSyChO: Okay. So compcache memlimit is set to  20MB. And govnah shows memory/swap as 229/54. Is that looking good? I have 5 cards open right now.
Jun 21 16:46:04 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: wow.  you got games opened too?
Jun 21 16:47:10 <Gollyzila> Nope. Just browser, govnah, wirc #webos-internals card, email, and the main scene of wIRC.
Jun 21 16:48:01 <uNiXpSyChO> oh.  that's fine.  just thought you had some basic apps open.
Jun 21 16:48:37 <sk4jc> Thank you for all the hard work on these kernels
Jun 21 16:48:42 <Gollyzila> So when the phone uses RAM, it compresses it? And that's what is shown in govnah?
Jun 21 16:48:46 <sk4jc> installing the testing uberkernel now
Jun 21 16:49:29 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: yep, it shows the usage.
Jun 21 16:50:27 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: Full reset was the key. Luna wasn't enough. Hmmm.... Showing 250 like it should.
Jun 21 16:51:01 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad_: was this for Uber install or govnah?
Jun 21 16:53:48 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: Newest UK got released this morning, correct?
Jun 21 16:54:01 <BeeRad_> This morning is blur already....
Jun 21 16:57:00 <sk4jc> five minutes later my pre has rebooted.
Jun 21 16:57:08 <Gollyzila> Sprint Pre has maximum of 250MB RAM, right? Now I get why uNiXpSyChO said wow. I wonder what happens if I try to run a 3D game. They take 70MB of RAM, correct?
Jun 21 16:57:35 <Gollyzila> So that'll just overload the RAM and crash my Pre?
Jun 21 16:57:43 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad_: probably.  i was sleeping while rwhitby was working :-)
Jun 21 16:58:43 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: doubt your Pre will crash.  I tested with a 20MB compcache size and run 48 cards with 3 3D games running.
Jun 21 16:59:49 <Gollyzila> Woah. I've only gone to 20 cards, including 2 games. I stopped cause I got bored and my Pre was sooooo slow to open the launcher and switch the pages.
Jun 21 16:59:56 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: Must have been after the UK release. And here I was complaining that it was Govnahs fault. *facepalm* I did a reset after the UK update because it recommends it. This second reset got it to show properly.
Jun 21 17:01:29 <uNiXpSyChO> i meant 2 3D games.  not that it matters at that point ;-)
Jun 21 17:01:38 <BeeRad_> Gollyzila: I've got a Pre Plus with MemLimit set to 128 and I've gotten a ton of stuff open and the phone was still very useable.
Jun 21 17:01:56 <Gollyzila> BeeRad_: Wow
Jun 21 17:02:39 <BeeRad_> Ill try it again...
Jun 21 17:03:14 <Gollyzila> So compcache compress 20MB of RAM to create 40MB of RAM free to be used?
Jun 21 17:04:05 <Gollyzila> How many MB can swap handle?
Jun 21 17:06:09 <uNiXpSyChO> Gollyzila: the compression ration is something like 3:1
Jun 21 17:06:13 <uNiXpSyChO> ratio
Jun 21 17:06:39 <uNiXpSyChO> the default swap on a Pre is 128MB or so.
Jun 21 17:06:46 <uNiXpSyChO> i think
Jun 21 17:08:26 <Gollyzila> 20MB compressed to create 60MB? Woah, so 128MB:384MB?
Jun 21 17:09:38 <halfhalo_pre> magical...
Jun 21 17:09:51 <BeeRad_> This is ridiculous....still going....
Jun 21 17:10:42 <Gollyzila> How many are you at BeeRad_  ?
Jun 21 17:11:27 <uNiXpSyChO> P|C is painfully slow today
Jun 21 17:11:55 <halfhalo_pre> today.. you mean allways
Jun 21 17:12:05 <BeeRad_> 6 3D games, 3 standard games, 11 apps and still going.
Jun 21 17:12:30 <Gollyzila> Woooooooah.
Jun 21 17:12:40 <halfhalo_pre> yeah well I have onlive tshirt bricks in my backpack.  win
Jun 21 17:13:49 <Gollyzila> Has anyone noticed that zooming in the browser sometimes adds a tap aswell?
Jun 21 17:14:18 <halfhalo_pre> they were free...  and alot of em
Jun 21 17:14:25 <sk4jc> im at 32 open apps right now with a 16mb compcache
Jun 21 17:14:27 <BeeRad_> Ok, its officially done. LOL
Jun 21 17:14:57 <sk4jc> there it is, TMC
Jun 21 17:15:05 <BeeRad_> 6 3D games, 3 standard games, and 16 apps. Can't open anything else. She's done.
Jun 21 17:15:36 <gollyzila|comp> I havent seen TMC since i first installed F102
Jun 21 17:16:49 <halfhalo_pre> soo many acronyms
Jun 21 17:17:36 <BeeRad_> 42*c
Jun 21 17:18:47 <uNiXpSyChO> wait till you try 1GHz...
Jun 21 17:20:03 <BeeRad_> uNiXpSyChO: Waiting patiently.... :)
Jun 21 17:20:30 <sk4jc> that was a whoops
Jun 21 17:20:43 <gollyzila|comp> wooo! back online
Jun 21 17:21:39 <sk4jc> i was trying to up the compcache but i didn't notice the enable button was off. the setting applied and memory went critical
Jun 21 17:22:05 <gollyzila|comp> uNiXpSyChO: I only have govnah open and it shows mem/swap as 210/76. is that normal? it seems pretty high to me
Jun 21 17:22:59 <uNiXpSyChO> gollyzila|comp: yep
Jun 21 17:23:38 <gollyzila|comp> how can i check mem/swap through command line?
Jun 21 17:27:34 <uNiXpSyChO> cat /proc/ramzswap
Jun 21 17:29:14 <gollyzila|comp> just realized 20240 was in KB
Jun 21 17:30:23 <uNiXpSyChO> *facepalm*
Jun 21 17:30:30 <BeeRad_> D'oh!
Jun 21 17:30:57 <gollyzila|comp> That wouldve made much more sense a while back
Jun 21 17:34:12 <gollyzila|comp> When using cat /proc/ramzswap, which line shows the memory used? MemUsedTotal:      15900 kB ???
Jun 21 17:36:40 <uNiXpSyChO> that is how much compcache mem used.
Jun 21 17:36:55 <uNiXpSyChO> use "free" to see normal OS mem usage
Jun 21 17:37:11 <gollyzila|comp> thanks
Jun 21 17:40:57 <BeeRad_> After fresh reset my memory/swap is 315/0.
Jun 21 17:41:51 <gollyzila|comp> I'm really impressed with the development webos-internals has done. I had a 1st gen ipod and followed the homebrew scene till now and they've barely begun to run a different kernel on their phones.
Jun 21 17:44:30 <gollyzila|comp> what are the disadvantages of having a memlimit higher than 20MB?
Jun 21 18:03:06 <Kyutwo> gollyzila|comp: more usage of swap memory and more slowdown because of it.
Jun 21 18:38:07 <gollyzila|comp> Kyusaku: so lower memlimit= better performance?
Jun 21 18:38:26 <uNiXpSyChO> no
Jun 21 18:39:12 <ka6sox-away> no
Jun 21 18:44:24 <gollyzila|comp> okay i think i understand
Jun 21 18:44:53 <gollyzila|comp> something in the middle (like 20MB) is "just right"
Jun 21 18:45:38 <BeeRad_> iOS4 on my iPt 2g is really disappointing.
Jun 21 18:46:12 <BeeRad_> Apparently it doesn't have enough resources to have a custom homescreen wallpaper. Effing lame.
Jun 21 18:46:36 <BeeRad_> I understood no multitasking but that is ridiculous.
Jun 21 18:46:51 <gollyzila|comp> double click the home button and you get to experience TRUE MULTITASKING!!!! oooh lordy. How did Apple come up with a concept so magical?
Jun 21 18:49:25 <ka6sox-away> hmmm...with lighty wonder if anyone has done webDAV
Jun 21 18:59:26 <gollyzila|comp> Yesterday i was using 3G data on wIRC. i had full bars but my phone was getting 36.84% per hour battery drain. The only thing i could think of that was running in the background would be Tweed's background notifications (which i was not receiving at the time).
Jun 21 19:04:59 <Nettwerk> Hello all
Jun 21 19:05:13 <Nettwerk> I have some quesions about kernels
Jun 21 19:06:02 <vibol> gollyzila|comp: irc maintains an open socket to the server and transfers data pretty regularly. that will drain your battery quickly.
Jun 21 19:08:34 <gollyzila|comp> okay. but ive noticed that battery drain is pretty intensive on my device when using 3g. Im going to turn on EVDO and turn off wifi and let it sit and see how much drain/hour it gets.
Jun 21 19:09:31 <gollyzila|comp> Also, has anyone updated Virtual Keyboard?
Jun 21 19:10:50 <Nettwerk> :( who can help me to answer on some questions
Jun 21 19:10:59 <egaudet_work> updated?
Jun 21 19:11:13 <Nettwerk> I want install UberKernel or Compcatche.
Jun 21 19:11:32 <Nettwerk> But I'd like to know which one is more safer?
Jun 21 19:11:42 <egaudet_work> gollyzila|comp: are you talking about the one in the test feed?
Jun 21 19:12:52 <gollyzila|comp> I believe that's the one. It says TESTING  in the description. What's new in this version?
Jun 21 19:13:35 <gollyzila|comp> Nettwerk: Compcache is a feature that is implemented into the alpha version of UberKernel
Jun 21 19:14:16 <Nettwerk> Ok, I have installed patches. Do need remove patches before install Uberkernel?
Jun 21 19:14:59 <Nettwerk> Installed patches: Character counter Add Move to Folder Button (Mail) Bookmarks list button Default to Month View Fasted Card Animation Glass Effect New Card Button Palm Carrier String Unhide Dev Mode Icon
Jun 21 19:17:29 <gollyzila|comp> Nettwerk: Nope. Kernels are what the OS is running on. Webos-internals just make it as simple to download as patches and apps
Jun 21 19:17:58 <gollyzila|comp> infobot: help
Jun 21 19:18:58 <egaudet_work> gollyzila|comp: I'm splitting up the patch and the theme/config stuff so it all installs much quicker.  I also put all the themes from the wiki into packages to test quick/easy installation of the vkb themes
Jun 21 19:19:25 <gollyzila|comp> oh okay.Yeah I noticed that.
Jun 21 19:19:46 <Nettwerk> Ok, thank you
Jun 21 19:20:07 <Nettwerk> You really help me.
Jun 21 19:20:36 <gollyzila|comp> you're welcome
Jun 21 19:21:39 <Nettwerk> One more thing. I like to play games on pre (Asphalt 5, NFSU etc) it will use 800Mhz or default CPU speed for games?
Jun 21 19:22:31 <Nettwerk> Or every time I have to set up to default before playing?
Jun 21 19:22:47 <gollyzila|comp> it will use 800Mhz when playing games aswell
Jun 21 19:23:54 <Nettwerk> But better is set to default if I want to play games? (To 500-600Mhz)?
Jun 21 19:24:53 <timothy1jones> Hiya
Jun 21 19:26:31 <timothy1jones> I am in the search for SIP client for Palm Pre. Anyone know if there is such a thing yet? I googled some and only found one which is still work in progress
Jun 21 19:28:02 <gollyzila|comp> Nettwerk: I dont really understand what you're asking but if you set the maximum frequency to 800MHz, your entire device will run much faster and smoother than at 600MHz
Jun 21 19:29:09 <timothy1jones> and will heat up faster :)
Jun 21 19:29:34 <Nettwerk> gollyzila|comp I mean can I use 800Mhz speed if I want play games?
Jun 21 19:29:49 <gollyzila|comp> Yes
Jun 21 19:31:04 <Nettwerk> I scare to burn my pre
Jun 21 19:31:18 <Nettwerk> Max temp is 45-50
Jun 21 19:31:58 <gollyzila|comp> Nettwerk: it's not going to burn. Mine is set to 500-800MHz and it has not exploded or combusted
Jun 21 19:33:31 <timothy1jones> I've been running mine for a while @ 800 and no problems (occasionally it gives off some smoke, but still works fine ;)
Jun 21 19:33:52 <Nettwerk> :D
Jun 21 19:34:03 <Nettwerk> thanks Installing now UK
Jun 21 19:34:13 <en0x> i use 720Mhz
Jun 21 19:35:34 <gollyzila|comp> is there a command to remotely start an app from the command line?
Jun 21 19:36:03 <gollyzila|comp> maybe something like " run com.palm.betaapp.en"?
Jun 21 19:36:14 <Nettwerk> gollyzila|comp Yes PuTTY?
Jun 21 19:36:31 <gollyzila|comp> Nettwerk: yeah, that's what im using
Jun 21 19:36:44 <en0x> use palm-run from sdk
Jun 21 19:36:56 <en0x> but u need ur phone connected to pc
Jun 21 19:36:59 <en0x> and be in dev mode
Jun 21 19:39:29 <gollyzila|comp> palm-run NAMEOFAPP?
Jun 21 19:40:55 <Nettwerk> I'm not shure but you need something like that: ./aooname.app
Jun 21 19:41:03 <Nettwerk> I'm not shure but you need something like that: ./appname.app
Jun 21 19:41:34 <Nettwerk> or palm-run ./appname.app
Jun 21 19:41:47 <Kyusaku> I thought it was palm-launch
Jun 21 19:42:04 <gollyzila|comp> Kyusaku: yeah i just found the palm-launch.bat on my comp
Jun 21 19:42:16 <Kyusaku> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1552
Jun 21 19:42:37 <gollyzila|comp> thanks Kyusaku
Jun 21 19:43:03 <mumbles> just bought another battery for my pre
Jun 21 19:43:22 <Kyusaku> I need a standalone battery charger
Jun 21 19:43:47 <gollyzila|comp> Kyusaku: and i would use that on my Computer's command line. CMD?
Jun 21 19:45:15 <Kyusaku> if you have SDK stuff installed
Jun 21 19:46:58 <gollyzila|comp> i do have it installed
Jun 21 19:47:28 <Kyusaku> then go for it
Jun 21 19:47:34 <egaudet_work> palm-run?
Jun 21 19:47:38 <Nettwerk> Wow amazing speed. works great 800Mhz.
Jun 21 19:47:42 <egaudet_work> palm-launch
Jun 21 19:47:50 <Nettwerk> Big thanks to all
Jun 21 19:52:56 <Nettwerk> One more question how to enable dashboard in Govnah?
Jun 21 19:53:15 <gollyzila|comp> Nettwerk: It's not implemented yet
Jun 21 19:54:32 <Nettwerk> ok.
Jun 21 19:54:46 <gollyzila|comp> I'm getting this when trying to use palm-launch
Jun 21 19:55:07 <gollyzila|comp> C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin>palm-launch com.gameloft.app.bia2
Jun 21 19:55:09 <gollyzila|comp> 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
Jun 21 19:55:10 <gollyzila|comp> operable program or batch file.
Jun 21 19:55:33 <halfhalo_class> java is not in your path
Jun 21 19:55:59 <Nettwerk> what is max temp?
Jun 21 19:56:12 <gollyzila|comp> i need java in my path?
Jun 21 19:56:32 <halfhalo_class> yeah
Jun 21 19:57:28 <gollyzila|comp> halfhalo_class: How do i put java in the path? What command do i use?
Jun 21 19:57:49 <halfhalo_class> that is a damn good question
Jun 21 19:59:28 <gollyzila|comp> Nettwerk: On the back of the battery it says not to let the battery reach 60C, so im assuming the CPU should get that hot too
Jun 21 20:00:05 <gollyzila|comp> halfhalo_class: What are your ideas on what i should do?
Jun 21 20:00:16 <sk4jc> right click on "my computer" go to properties > advanced > environment variables > System Variables
Jun 21 20:00:33 <sk4jc> find path, and append the path to java after the last ;
Jun 21 20:00:56 <Nettwerk> Govnah warn me if temp is more than 45-50C?
Jun 21 20:02:21 <gollyzila|comp> sk4jc: find Path in the Variable column?
Jun 21 20:02:43 <gollyzila|comp> Nettwerk: There is a patch that warns you. I'm not sure if it is implemented into UberKernel
Jun 21 20:02:47 <sk4jc> yes, then click edit
Jun 21 20:03:09 <Nettwerk> Thanks
Jun 21 20:03:16 <sk4jc> hit your "end" key, and append your path. but make sure there is a ; at the end
Jun 21 20:03:46 <sk4jc> im sure there is a cli command but I dont know it
Jun 21 20:05:24 <gollyzila|comp> how do i append the path? Do i also need to change it to C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin ?
Jun 21 20:06:27 <sk4jc> when you installed the sdk, it should have appended the bin directory for you
Jun 21 20:06:54 <Tman> http://pastebin.com/nUgsPxDv what the heck?
Jun 21 20:09:17 <gollyzila|comp> appended the bin directory to what? I know what append means, but I'm not sure what it means how you are using the word
Jun 21 20:09:54 <sk4jc> so there is a list that is " ; " delimited
Jun 21 20:10:11 <sk4jc> it contains the locations to executables
Jun 21 20:10:51 <sk4jc> when you append to the path variable you are adding another location to the "execute from anywhere" locations
Jun 21 20:11:37 <gollyzila|comp> like adding essay.docx to the path?
Jun 21 20:12:04 <sk4jc> docx is a file type
Jun 21 20:12:08 <sk4jc> so that wouldnt help
Jun 21 20:12:19 <gollyzila|comp> then program.exe
Jun 21 20:12:33 <gollyzila|comp> or in my case palm-launch.bat
Jun 21 20:12:38 <Tman> (found the fix... /bin/sh has to point to bash)
Jun 21 20:12:41 <sk4jc> yes, so you could call that from any location
Jun 21 20:12:48 <gollyzila|comp> okay
Jun 21 20:13:02 <sk4jc> but you want to only include the directory
Jun 21 20:13:11 <sk4jc> not the actual batch file
Jun 21 20:13:15 <gollyzila|comp> okay
Jun 21 20:13:45 <sk4jc> so for your java example, you add the location to java so another script can reference it where ever it happens to be called
Jun 21 20:15:01 <gollyzila|comp> so i have to find the location of java?
Jun 21 20:15:07 <sk4jc> yes
Jun 21 20:15:21 <djk> is something up with preware? I have selected a few apps to install and it just brings up the precentral site instead of install
Jun 21 20:15:22 <sk4jc> it should have done it for you but I guess it didnt
Jun 21 20:16:38 <gollyzila|comp> sk4jc: nope. The Path Variable value is a path to a video editing program. So I'm guessing it didnt either
Jun 21 20:18:21 <sk4jc> so not to confuse you but there are two path variables. One is user based and the other is system based
Jun 21 20:25:10 <gollyzila|comp> yeah i see that
Jun 21 20:26:42 <Jonny-TX> hi
Jun 21 20:26:56 <Mousey> gh
Jun 21 20:27:00 <gollyzila|comp> for the user variable path, it points to ommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\novacom
Jun 21 20:27:15 <Jonny-TX> I hope somebody can help me
Jun 21 20:27:45 <domicius> djk: same here and I was wondering the same...
Jun 21 20:27:54 <Jonny-TX> I've created a service and I want to package it into an IPK. Is it possible?
Jun 21 20:28:23 <sk4jc> gollyzila|comp: just add c:\program files\[whatever java]; to the end of it
Jun 21 20:28:46 <gollyzila|comp> into user variable or system variable?
Jun 21 20:29:01 <sk4jc> user, but it doesn't matter
Jun 21 20:30:08 <Jonny-TX> Can I integrate the service files directly into my app?
Jun 21 20:30:12 <gollyzila|comp> so i append ;C:\Program Files (x86)\Java to the path? or do i have to go deeper?
Jun 21 20:31:25 <bhuey> hey, good article on the new kernels
Jun 21 20:31:42 <bhuey> where's a link for the compressed cache kernels ?
Jun 21 20:31:52 <bhuey> and how stable is it ?
Jun 21 20:32:02 <Jonny-TX> can nobody help me?
Jun 21 20:32:17 <sk4jc> you have to link to the executable so mine is this: C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin
Jun 21 20:33:27 <gollyzila|comp> mine was that aswel
Jun 21 20:33:31 <gollyzila|comp> okay i added
Jun 21 20:33:33 <gollyzila|comp> it
Jun 21 20:33:33 <Tman> Jonny-TX: I can't answer your question but try the wiki
Jun 21 20:34:07 <Tman> Jonny-TX: otherwise, there are people here that mess with services stuff, you just might have to wait for them to show up
Jun 21 20:34:28 <Jonny-TX> @Tman: I didn't find anything about that in the wiki
Jun 21 20:34:45 <gollyzila|comp> sk4jc: tried the command again in CMD but i get the same error
Jun 21 20:34:49 <egaudet_work> Jonny-TX: what kind of service
Jun 21 20:35:04 <halfhalo_class> gollyzila|comp: did you start a new cmd prompt?
Jun 21 20:35:08 <sk4jc> ok, so that means the java reference is not the problem
Jun 21 20:35:24 <gollyzila|comp> halfhalo_class: nope
Jun 21 20:35:36 <Jonny-TX> the service start a sh-script
Jun 21 20:35:45 <mjkjr> I want to test VKB "TESTING version", any big changes?
Jun 21 20:36:05 <Jonny-TX> It's a java service
Jun 21 20:36:19 <egaudet_work> mjkjr: no, just separating patch from theme/config files to speed up installation
Jun 21 20:36:55 <mjkjr> egaudet: thank you, I thought that was already done last time
Jun 21 20:37:43 <egaudet_work> mjkjr: yeah but then I went MIA for a while and forgot where I had left off, it was never released officially
Jun 21 20:37:50 <egaudet_work> I also packaged up the themes from the wiki into test feed
Jun 21 20:38:07 <gollyzila|comp> No java error, but it says no devices found when i use this command palm-launch -d usb com.gameloft.app.bia2
Jun 21 20:38:40 <egaudet_work> Jonny-TX: ipkg-utils
Jun 21 20:39:05 <egaudet_work> if you are looking to host the service and get it autobuilding into a preware feed, you'd have to talk to rwhitby when he wakes up
Jun 21 20:39:51 <mjkjr> ah thank you egaudet. will test then.
Jun 21 20:40:06 <Jonny-TX> The service is optimized for my app. It doesn't work with other apps. So I only want to use it in my app.
Jun 21 20:42:29 <gollyzila|comp> tried another usb port and the command went through! But the card didn't show up,why?
Jun 21 20:43:32 <Tman> gollyzila|comp: no messages?
Jun 21 20:44:08 <gollyzila|comp> C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin>palm-launch -d usb com.gameloft.app.bia2 launching application com.gameloft.app.bia2 on device "castle-linux" {24fe9974e4 4dcba57512912c3989ec10cb7f2c74} usb 50695
Jun 21 20:44:48 <Tman> gollyzila|comp: hmm if it's a PDK app you might need to use pdk-launch
Jun 21 20:45:05 <gollyzila|comp> oh duh!
Jun 21 20:45:19 <gollyzila|comp> but i'd need to install the PDK, right?
Jun 21 20:45:59 <Tman> on your computer, yes.. I don't know if you'd have to install it on your phone just to launch something that already launches
Jun 21 20:46:11 <Tman> s/launches/works
Jun 21 20:47:29 <gollyzila|comp> well the game doesnt launch. maybe a reboot will do it good
Jun 21 20:47:51 <Tman> not even from the phone?
Jun 21 20:47:59 <Tman> yeah reboot might help :p
Jun 21 20:49:01 <Jonny-TX> thanks for the help! GN8 from good old Germany :P
Jun 21 20:49:14 <gollyzila|comp> how do you launch it through the command line on the phone?
Jun 21 20:50:23 <Tman> gollyzila|comp: the app isn't in the launcher?
Jun 21 20:50:25 <egaudet_work> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"com.blah.blah"}'    or something
Jun 21 20:51:09 <gollyzila|comp> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch  '{"id":"com.gameloft.app.bia2"}'
Jun 21 20:51:12 <gollyzila|comp> woops
Jun 21 20:51:31 <gollyzila|comp> that was meant for putty
Jun 21 20:51:38 <bhuey> is the compcache stuff in the uberkernel yet ?
Jun 21 20:51:52 <bhuey> this Jva GC mod looks intersting as well
Jun 21 20:57:39 <gollyzila|comp> yeah, i just needed a reboot. thanks everyone that helped!
Jun 21 21:22:34 <No1everdoes> Hello?
Jun 21 21:23:03 <HattCzech_work> hello
Jun 21 21:23:10 <No1everdoes> Ok I'm on palm pre
Jun 21 21:23:37 <No1everdoes> Soon to buy the sprint evo but before I do I want to ask this:
Jun 21 21:24:10 <No1everdoes> Is there an app for palm pre like 3CX?
Jun 21 21:24:50 <Tman> We don't know what that is.
Jun 21 21:24:54 <No1everdoes> Like there is 3CX for android
Jun 21 21:25:19 <No1everdoes> 3CX is a SIP phone client
Jun 21 21:26:10 <No1everdoes> In other words voip? I read a few topics on precentral nothing I can see is solid
Jun 21 21:26:27 <Tman> idk, you should ask in #webos
Jun 21 21:26:35 <No1everdoes> Except 1 guy posted a screenshot of his work back in May but nothing released yet
Jun 21 21:26:58 <Tman> but.. it probably isn't possible, since there is no sanctioned way to access the mic yet
Jun 21 21:27:09 <Tman> possible through the app catalog, that is
Jun 21 21:27:22 <Tman> though it will be soon
Jun 21 21:28:07 <bhuey> anybody here running the uberkernel with compcache ? how is it ?
Jun 21 21:28:32 <No1everdoes> So what channel am I on?
Jun 21 21:28:35 <Tman> bhuey: lots of people are.. and the consensus seems to be that it's good :)
Jun 21 21:28:44 <No1everdoes> I thought this was webos-internals
Jun 21 21:29:19 <No1everdoes> Bhuey: I'm using it right now
Jun 21 21:29:25 <No1everdoes> You shud try it.
Jun 21 21:29:33 <Tman> No1everdoes: search for voip in preware then
Jun 21 21:29:50 <bhuey> No1everdoes: via Preware or another package ?
Jun 21 21:30:11 <bhuey> Tman: how do you get it ? preware ?
Jun 21 21:30:29 <bhuey> I saw some kernel packages but I'm unsure if they have these changes
Jun 21 21:30:54 <Tman> bhuey: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
Jun 21 21:31:13 <Tman> bhuey: Though I think the compcache kernel may still be in testing
Jun 21 21:31:37 <No1everdoes> I did it via preware
Jun 21 21:31:48 <bhuey> so it's in the preware repos then ?
Jun 21 21:32:09 <bhuey> gonna try this
Jun 21 21:32:24 <Tman> bhuey: if it's in testing, you'll have to add the kernel testing repo. But you should know what you're getting into before you do that.
Jun 21 21:32:27 <bhuey> what about the JVM hacks that I've seen ? are they worth getting around the TMC problem ?
Jun 21 21:32:32 <No1everdoes> Yes but be forewarned it takes a while so
Jun 21 21:32:49 <bhuey> how to you add that repo to preware ?
Jun 21 21:33:06 <No1everdoes> You will need a cup of tea and something to read while you wait for it to update with the uber kernel
Jun 21 21:33:50 <No1everdoes> It's already there just look up in the linux category I think
Jun 21 21:34:00 <No1everdoes> Or try search all apps
Jun 21 21:36:21 <bhuey> No1everdoes: ok
Jun 21 21:37:11 <bhuey> No1everdoes: which kernel ? uberkernel ?
Jun 21 21:38:04 <bhuey> Tman: I'm a linux kernel dev, shouldn't be a problem :)
Jun 21 21:38:19 <bhuey> I just want to know which repo it's in and how to install it
Jun 21 21:38:31 <No1everdoes> Hold
Jun 21 21:38:32 <bhuey> so far I only see one package of interest but I don't know what's in it
Jun 21 21:38:42 <No1everdoes> I'm loading up preware right now,
Jun 21 21:38:46 <bhuey> ok
Jun 21 21:39:22 <No1everdoes> It's in webos kernals
Jun 21 21:39:31 <bhuey> which one ?
Jun 21 21:39:40 <Tman> bhuey: webos-kernels-testing, ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.1.1 (assuming you're on 1.4.1.1)
Jun 21 21:39:42 <bhuey> I have the kernel feed but I don't know if that's the right one or not
Jun 21 21:40:02 <No1everdoes> That's the one
Jun 21 21:40:08 <Tman> bhuey: the one with compcache is 1.4.1-37 or later
Jun 21 21:40:32 <HattCzech_work> i keep hearing about compcache... what is it?
Jun 21 21:40:50 <Tman> http://code.google.com/p/compcache/
Jun 21 21:41:05 <No1everdoes> I'm using 1.4.1-21
Jun 21 21:41:25 <bhuey> ooh nice didn't know that google did stuff like that
Jun 21 21:41:26 <No1everdoes> I don't know about 1.4.1-6 I didn't see that one before
Jun 21 21:41:36 <HattCzech_work> oh, cool
Jun 21 21:41:46 <Tman> bhuey: this one has been stable for me, but you should always keep a backup of your data anytime you're using a testing kernel
Jun 21 21:42:03 <Tman> bhuey: it's google projects, they just host open source projects that other people do
Jun 21 21:42:09 <Tman> er google code*
Jun 21 21:43:41 <bhuey> Tman: thanks loading now
Jun 21 21:44:21 <No1everdoes> I'm stupid the 1.4.1-6 is the official webos kernel
Jun 21 21:44:23 <bhuey> Tman: do i need to configure my swap or is it just automatic ?
Jun 21 21:44:32 <Tman> it's automatic
Jun 21 21:44:36 <No1everdoes> The 1.4.1-21 is the homebrew kernal
Jun 21 21:45:50 <No1everdoes> Tman: english please what does the compcache do for webos?
Jun 21 21:46:45 * uNiXpSyChO oh no, not again....
Jun 21 21:48:14 <Tman> No1everdoes: it basically compresses memory stored in RAM to effectively extend the RAM available. Unless you're a hardcore dev, you definitely shouldn't use the kernel until it's out of testing
Jun 21 21:48:20 <bhuey> Tman: which kernel ? Warhog ? this week ?
Jun 21 21:48:42 <bhuey> Tman: yeah, that's a great patch
Jun 21 21:48:44 <Tman> bhuey: nope UberKernel, stay away from warthog
Jun 21 21:48:49 <Tman> (for now)
Jun 21 21:48:58 <bhuey> I see two entries
Jun 21 21:49:10 <bhuey> both with identical names
Jun 21 21:49:36 <Tman> bhuey: check the versions, the one I have is -37
Jun 21 21:49:48 <bhuey> 1.4.1-46
Jun 21 21:49:56 <bhuey> both of them
Jun 21 21:50:17 <bhuey> Tman: your rev doesn't exist in my feed
Jun 21 21:50:27 <bhuey> I have newer or older kernels
Jun 21 21:50:32 <Tman> okay, I haven't checked recently. maybe the testing version and the stable version are the same now?
Jun 21 21:50:43 <bhuey> so install -46 ?
Jun 21 21:51:09 <No1everdoes> Cool but it's google
Jun 21 21:51:19 <Tman> bhuey: You seem to know what you're doing so go for it :p
Jun 21 21:51:58 <bhuey> to get decent compression, they need to be able to scan large blocks of data
Jun 21 21:52:02 <bhuey> or larger blocks of data
Jun 21 21:52:08 <bhuey> like about 64k or somethign like that
Jun 21 21:52:31 <bhuey> otherwise compression algorithms don't work that well
Jun 21 21:53:29 <bhuey> it's shit that Palm hasn't released a new device with new hardware on Sprint but this is the second best thing to that
Jun 21 21:53:36 <Tman> hmm, you should talk to whoever was working on compcache. I think uNiXpSyChO
Jun 21 21:53:52 <bhuey> also, I've noticed cleawrly that the more messenger message I have sitting around the slower the device gets
Jun 21 21:54:03 <bhuey> I deleted a bnch of them and it sped things up a lot
Jun 21 21:54:16 <bhuey> I'm sure it's a cache db issue of some sort
Jun 21 21:54:59 <bhuey> having a better storage strategy for these messages would be a better solution than wht they have now
Jun 21 21:55:11 <bhuey> I'm presumming that they store it in a db
Jun 21 21:55:46 <Tman> yeah they use a relational database for it. don't remember which
Jun 21 21:55:58 <bhuey> sql of some sort
Jun 21 21:56:08 <bhuey> file systems problems like this are difficult because of stuff like deletion
Jun 21 21:56:22 <jlund> What is the difference between Terminal and Terminus? I just want something simple that will allow me to SSH into remote servers and troubleshoot if I am away from my desktop/laptop.
Jun 21 21:57:49 <Mousey> Terminus doesn't have a | key
Jun 21 21:57:51 <Mousey> that's the difference
Jun 21 21:58:00 <Mousey> also, Terminus WAY EASIER to read at small font sizes
Jun 21 21:58:14 <Mousey> i'm yet to get Terminal to get my screen margins correctly once
Jun 21 21:58:43 <Mousey> also Terminus doesn't use the number keys as arrow keys
Jun 21 21:58:51 <Mousey> which is highly useful for upscrolling
Jun 21 21:59:00 <jlund> I just don't understand why both exist if they do the same thing. How do you make a "|" in Terminus?
Jun 21 21:59:23 <Mousey> jlund: if you ever find that one out, i'd like to know
Jun 21 21:59:49 <Mousey> why terminus can't have Terminal's input scheme is beyond me, it'd be the perfect terminal for pre
Jun 21 22:00:06 <jlund> Mousey: Sounds like Terminal is the way to go if you need arrow keys and pipes (which for any serious remote work, you do). Thanks!
Jun 21 22:00:12 <Mousey> readable, margin-respecting, input-easy perfection
Jun 21 22:00:29 <Mousey> jlund: thats the hard-to-read conclusion, yes
Jun 21 22:01:38 <PalmPre2HtcEvo> Hello
Jun 21 22:01:54 <jlund> Hello, incendiary username!
Jun 21 22:02:09 <PalmPre2HtcEvo> Where is Dkirker?
Jun 21 22:03:42 <PalmPre2HtcEvo> Jlund: why incendiary I'm not a criminal
Jun 21 22:05:27 <PalmPre2HtcEvo> Jlund: thanks for the notice can you find me DKirker?
Jun 21 22:06:57 <jlund> He appears to be in #webos
Jun 21 22:30:22 <bhuey> Tman: what's required for getting that kernel to not be overclocked ? installed the correct package without the boost ?
Jun 21 22:30:41 <bhuey> or is there a package that allows me to set the clock speed to normal ?
Jun 21 22:33:03 <Tman> bhuey: yes you need to install Govnah from Preware also
Jun 21 22:33:16 <Tman> sorry to leave that out
Jun 21 22:33:27 <bhuey> will that cock it down ?
Jun 21 22:33:33 <bhuey> bah clock it down
Jun 21 22:33:53 <Tman> or up. I don't believe it's overclocked to start actually, you need to use govnah first
Jun 21 22:35:58 <bhuey> yeah, the device is hot already which is why I asked
Jun 21 22:36:03 <bhuey> er, warm
Jun 21 22:36:07 <bhuey> which is atypical
Jun 21 22:36:13 <mjkjr> egaudet: http://wimg.mp/ROZ.png http://wimg.mp/PCQ.png remove and install again?
Jun 21 22:37:04 <egaudet> what version is that?
Jun 21 22:38:34 <mjkjr> 1.4.1-2
Jun 21 22:42:30 <mjkjr> I installed a 'theme' package and restarted the device as well. Still couldnt figure out how to change it.
Jun 21 22:44:00 <egaudet> try removing the vkb-default-themes-config and reinstalling
Jun 21 22:57:16 <mjkjr> egaudet: removed vkb-default-themes-config and patch, now it's not in available or installed packages in preware
Jun 21 22:58:04 <egaudet> update feeds
Jun 21 22:58:17 <mjkjr> yes
Jun 21 22:59:18 <egaudet> list of everything
Jun 21 22:59:54 <egaudet> default themes and config should be in Miscellanous
Jun 21 23:01:34 <mjkjr> ha, why is it in list of everything but not in the 'Available Patches' section?
Jun 21 23:01:57 <egaudet> the default themes / config is not Type: Patch
Jun 21 23:02:55 <mjkjr> I know, I mean the vkb patch itself
Jun 21 23:04:03 <egaudet> oh yeah I didn't put a Type for it
Jun 21 23:07:19 <PuffTheMagic> the pre keyboard really needs one more key
Jun 21 23:07:27 <PuffTheMagic> sym can be ctrl
Jun 21 23:07:33 <PuffTheMagic> s/can/cant/
Jun 21 23:07:33 <infobot> PuffTheMagic meant: sym cant be ctrl
Jun 21 23:18:47 <Tman> anyone here know anything about aclocal?
Jun 21 23:22:32 <vapermonkey> hello all
Jun 21 23:23:36 <vapermonkey> anyone on that wants to help a noob to this pre problem i am having with novacom
Jun 21 23:25:10 <Tman> vapermonkey: describe your problem, and if anyone can help you they will
Jun 21 23:25:24 <oc80z> need webos update.
Jun 21 23:25:57 <oc80z> infobot seen zinge
Jun 21 23:25:58 <infobot> zinge <~81abe94d@gateway/web/freenode/x-bynqrfggtxfpcczu> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 55d 3h 24m 50s ago, saying: 'dogs!'.
Jun 21 23:26:05 <oc80z> :(
Jun 21 23:26:08 <vapermonkey> i install the webosQuickInstall it seemed to work right but the novacom isnt running
Jun 21 23:27:07 <Tman> vapermonkey: work right as in it installed things? because that would indicate that novacom is/was running
Jun 21 23:27:43 <oc80z> anyone working with govnah now?
Jun 21 23:27:53 <vapermonkey> can i just start over with the install of web OS
Jun 21 23:28:25 <oc80z> whats going on vapermonkey?
Jun 21 23:28:52 <vapermonkey> the novacom isnt running
Jun 21 23:29:39 <vapermonkey> when i open web os none of the buttons work
Jun 21 23:30:22 <oc80z> what?
Jun 21 23:30:39 <oc80z> did you drop your phone in a beer or somthing?
Jun 21 23:30:51 <vapermonkey> i just got it yesterday
Jun 21 23:31:07 <Tman> oc80z: He's talking about webos quick install, not webos
Jun 21 23:31:29 <vapermonkey> ya
Jun 21 23:31:33 <vapermonkey> thanks tman
Jun 21 23:31:50 <Tman> are you on windows? did novacom install correctly?
Jun 21 23:32:42 <vapermonkey> yes 7 i dont think it did but i dont know i started it then fell asleep
Jun 21 23:33:05 <Tman> hmm.. well try reinstalling it then?
Jun 21 23:33:53 <vapermonkey> how do u reinstall when i click on the jar file it just opens the app that dosnt work
Jun 21 23:34:37 <Tman> I'm talking about novacom, not webos quick install
Jun 21 23:35:10 <vapermonkey> how do i reinstall novacom
Jun 21 23:35:31 <Tman> vapermonkey: for starters, are you sure you ever installed novacom in the first place?
Jun 21 23:36:11 <vapermonkey> what i thaught i read was that the webos will install the novacom
Jun 21 23:37:11 <Tman> right.. well it should have downloaded it and installed it..
Jun 21 23:37:28 <vapermonkey> that is what i thaught
Jun 21 23:37:49 <Tman> if novacom isn't installed I think it comes up with a dialog asking if you want to install it
Jun 21 23:38:34 <Tman> vapermonkey: whenever I used windows (and it was awhile back,) it seemed like restarting the computer sometimes helped when novacom wasn't working
Jun 21 23:38:35 <vapermonkey> nothing comes up when i open webos qi
Jun 21 23:38:51 <Tman> I would try that first
Jun 21 23:39:12 <vapermonkey> i have opend up services it isnt even in there
Jun 21 23:40:15 <Tman> you have plugged your phone in right? I think the found new hardware balloon should at some point say "Palm Novacom Device" if novacom is installed
Jun 21 23:40:56 <vapermonkey> is there a way to only install novacom
Jun 21 23:42:49 <vapermonkey> ok i just went to my device man and it say it isnt installed i try to install canot find drivers
Jun 21 23:43:00 <Tman> yes, looking for the link
Jun 21 23:43:23 <vapermonkey> thanks tman
Jun 21 23:45:03 <Tman> it might only be included in the SDK. download at http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1661&Itemid=55
Jun 21 23:47:18 <vapermonkey> will i need virtualbox
Jun 21 23:49:34 <Tman> vapermonkey: nope
Jun 22 00:10:46 <vapermonkey> thanks tman i think that worked
Jun 22 00:11:01 <Tman> vapermonkey: great, good to hear it
Jun 22 00:11:35 <vapermonkey> the webos qi still  isnt working
Jun 22 00:12:38 <vapermonkey> prewhere installer is tho
Jun 22 00:14:09 <Tman> I wasn't aware there was an installer for preware separate from webos quick install.. but I guess I'm just behind the times :p
Jun 22 00:14:37 <Tman> anyways if you install preware you won't really need webos quick install anymore
Jun 22 00:14:42 <vapermonkey> so ya i guess that worked
Jun 22 00:15:08 <vapermonkey> it put preware on my phone
Jun 22 00:15:59 <vapermonkey> i dont really know y i am really worried about it the phone is just a loaner phone tell my phone comes in
Jun 22 00:39:43 <rwhitby> Tman: preware can be installed with palm-install these days - no need for unofficial tools to install Preware
Jun 22 00:48:59 <gollyzila|comp> uNiXpSyChO: Good God what have you done?! You've released a monster into the wild!! How experimental is this compared to F102 and F 105?
Jun 22 00:49:56 <gollyzila|comp> i mean F102 and F104
Jun 22 00:54:01 <rwhitby> It says: "The latest bleeding-edge totally-experimental kernel from uNiXpSyChO."
Jun 22 00:54:10 <rwhitby> so the answer is "totally" ;)
Jun 22 00:54:23 <uNiXpSyChO> gollyzila|comp: yeah, what he said ;P
Jun 22 00:54:58 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: did you want the makefiletune/Makefile.diff in there too?
Jun 22 00:55:02 <gollyzila|comp> F102A is totally-experimental soooooooo
Jun 22 00:55:26 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: i was using it... i used the armMakefile
Jun 22 00:55:34 <gollyzila|comp> they're on the same level of the experimental scale
Jun 22 00:55:42 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: hmm - uber has both.
Jun 22 00:55:56 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: hmm.  that cant be good
Jun 22 00:56:13 <uNiXpSyChO> well, it wont hurt but i know the other just adds extra noise
Jun 22 00:56:51 <rwhitby> jhoweb: did we need the Makefile.diff (as opposed to armMakefile.diff) for some reason?
Jun 22 00:57:27 <rwhitby> jhojho: ^^
Jun 22 00:57:41 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: did you start a thread yet?
Jun 22 00:58:15 <rwhitby> ah, there it is
Jun 22 00:58:16 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: Makefile.diff gets overridden by whats in arch/arm/Makefile
Jun 22 00:58:31 <uNiXpSyChO> so armMakefile is the preffered method
Jun 22 01:03:16 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: can you change the memlimit to 20480 (i.e. really 20Mib) and then I'll add that as an option in Govnah?
Jun 22 01:04:00 <uNiXpSyChO> how dare i use MiB... it should be MB
Jun 22 01:04:16 <oil> so confusing
Jun 22 01:04:17 <rwhitby> that will save having another conversation like the one you had to gollyzila|comp overnight :)
Jun 22 01:04:35 <uNiXpSyChO> you saw that eh?  hehe
Jun 22 01:05:00 <rwhitby> 20480 will make things match up all around :)
Jun 22 01:05:14 <gollyzila|comp> haha
Jun 22 01:06:57 <gollyzila|comp> uNiXpSyChO: Do you have a list of all the bugs and weird occurrences you've experienced while using F105? I'd just like to know what I'm about to jump into
Jun 22 01:07:43 <uNiXpSyChO> it melts in your hand
Jun 22 01:08:14 <palmpreuser1001> Hello?
Jun 22 01:08:45 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: "it should be as stable as UK and the F104?" :)
Jun 22 01:08:54 <palmpreuser1001> Hello? Anybody see me?
Jun 22 01:09:07 <rwhitby> palmpreuser1001: nope, but I can read what you're typing ;)
Jun 22 01:09:32 <gollyzila|comp> We all see you palmpreuser1001, just turn around fast enough and you can see us ;)
Jun 22 01:09:34 <rwhitby> palmpreuser1001: you need to register your nick to talk in #webos
Jun 22 01:09:54 <palmpreuser1001> I tried to join #webos chat I can see everybody but I can't type
Jun 22 01:10:06 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: its stable.  i think.  My Pre still works. ;P
Jun 22 01:10:13 <palmpreuser1001> Oh
Jun 22 01:10:16 * rwhitby has a crystal ball - I knew he was going to say that :)
Jun 22 01:10:26 <uNiXpSyChO> hehe
Jun 22 01:10:46 <gollyzila|comp> uNiXpSyChO: That's good enough an answer for me!
Jun 22 01:10:47 <palmpreuser1001> Thanks for the heads up everybody
Jun 22 01:10:49 <rwhitby> it's the timezone thing - I know everything about 14 hours before all of you
Jun 22 01:10:55 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: upstart uploaded
Jun 22 01:11:06 <palmpreuser1001> But I'm using wIRC on the palm pre
Jun 22 01:11:14 <rwhitby> for 102 and 104?
Jun 22 01:11:30 <gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: F105
Jun 22 01:11:30 <uNiXpSyChO> F104 didnt have an upstart... it depended on govnah
Jun 22 01:11:38 <gollyzila|comp> woops nevermind
Jun 22 01:11:39 <uNiXpSyChO> i thought... lemme double check
Jun 22 01:11:59 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: no, it needed an upstart for compcache to match the forum thread description
Jun 22 01:12:18 <uNiXpSyChO> damn.  you're right... sorry.  ket me update that
Jun 22 01:12:22 <rwhitby> thx
Jun 22 01:12:29 <torchie> how's the life of your system been with different kernels installed?
Jun 22 01:12:35 <Tman> rwhitby: today I moved pulseaudio and libsndfile out of nonworking/ and added alsa-lib and got them all to compile.. would you want to put those changes in git?
Jun 22 01:12:47 <rwhitby> Tman: yes please
Jun 22 01:12:55 <palmpreuser1001> Okay basically I wanted to know if anyone know where I can download and get this app on my pre http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/dkirker/4588117745/
Jun 22 01:12:55 <torchie> I want to try  uberkernel but I don't wanna screw up the phone a week after I get it
Jun 22 01:12:58 <dtzWill> Tman: great :D
Jun 22 01:13:00 <rwhitby> Tman: do we have your key?
Jun 22 01:13:10 <rwhitby> Tman: are you the same Tman from nslu2-linux days?
Jun 22 01:13:15 <Tman> nope..
Jun 22 01:13:43 <Tman> and nope, not me
Jun 22 01:14:03 <palmpreuser1001> Anyone have an ipk out there? Can I get SIPPER on the pre?
Jun 22 01:14:13 <gollyzila|comp> palmpreuser1001: Well i dont think that's available. It says "under development" on that ribbon in the top right
Jun 22 01:14:42 <gollyzila|comp> unless im wrong
Jun 22 01:17:03 <palmpreuser1001> Gollyzila|comp: that sucks because I found this post dated more than a month ago
Jun 22 01:17:41 <palmpreuser1001> I wanted to keep posted on it's progress
Jun 22 01:19:06 <palmpreuser1001> Who is Dkirker I think he started that
Jun 22 01:22:00 <palmpreuser1001> Hmm pm me anyone if they got the leads cuz I'm gonna try getting this on my pre as an effort trying not to upgradeto htc evo
Jun 22 01:25:10 <gollyzila|comp> http://forums.precentral.net/members/dkirker.html    Well, he hasn't been on Precentral since the end of May
Jun 22 01:26:14 <Tman> rwhitby: I sent you the key, let me know when it's in
Jun 22 01:29:37 <jhojho> rwhitby: re
Jun 22 01:30:06 <Tman> has anyone had build problems on WIDK with AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT not being found? It stops the build on several packages for me, but then I just rerun make stage and it builds
Jun 22 01:36:35 <gollyzila|comp> Woah, phone is running at a warm 47C for the past 2 minutes
Jun 22 01:37:09 <dtzWill> Tman: do you know which packages? sounds like they're missing a dep on GLIB
Jun 22 01:37:14 <dtzWill> Tman: but if you know which i can look into it
Jun 22 01:37:37 <torchie> if you want to uninstall uberkernel you just remove it in preware right?
Jun 22 01:37:40 <torchie> or do you install palm default first
Jun 22 01:39:53 <Tman> dtzWill: it's just aclocal being strange. I had xkeyboardconfig do it, and pulseaudio. it can't find the definition for glib gettext but I found the corresponding .m4 file in staging/armv7/usr/share/aclocal
Jun 22 01:40:56 <Tman> rwhitby: also, the Makefile for pulseaudio had --disable-static but I removed it and it built fine. Do you know if there was a reason for that?
Jun 22 01:43:06 <BeeRad> Sup peeps.
Jun 22 01:46:06 <rwhitby> Tman: dunno
Jun 22 01:46:25 <rwhitby> Tman: I get the same with GNU_GETTEXT.  dunno why
Jun 22 01:46:40 <rwhitby> torchie: uninstall with Preware
Jun 22 01:46:42 <Tman> okay, I say leave it out because some people (read: me) might need a static build :p
Jun 22 01:47:02 <torchie> and then install palm kernel?
Jun 22 01:47:08 <torchie> and errthang will be back to the usual?
Jun 22 01:47:44 <Tman> rwhitby: well I have a theory that if you added `-I staging/armv7/usr/share/aclocal` to aclocal's args it would go away.. but I haven't tried and I don't know if that even does what I think it does
Jun 22 01:47:56 <torchie> ok wait
Jun 22 01:48:03 <torchie> it's asking to restart the phone
Jun 22 01:48:26 <Tman> rwhitby: er.. except that path would be.. not that
Jun 22 01:48:41 <torchie> should I say "later" and install palm kernel before a restart?
Jun 22 01:49:21 <rwhitby> torchie: if you uninstall with preware, you don't need to install palm kernel
Jun 22 01:49:26 <dtzWill> rwhitby: does the autobuilder have that error too?
Jun 22 01:49:33 <rwhitby> dtzWill: probably
Jun 22 01:49:38 <torchie> alright
Jun 22 01:49:41 <dtzWill> o_O I don't get that :(
Jun 22 01:49:41 * torchie cross fingers
Jun 22 01:52:26 <dtzWill> Tman, rwhitby: can either of you reliably produce it relatively easy? (xkeyboardconfig is a small package to build, for example)
Jun 22 01:53:10 <dtzWill> I think adding -I/usr/local/share/aclocal to ACLOCAL_FLAGS will fix it (just gonna set it for every sb2 invocation--it should be where it looks first anyway)
Jun 22 01:53:13 <dtzWill> but can't test the fix here :(
Jun 22 01:54:16 <Tman> dtzWill: I think so.. sec
Jun 22 01:54:53 <Tman> dtzWill: yeah
Jun 22 01:55:17 <dtzWill> Tman: if you can, open support/cross-compile.mk and add a '\' to the end of the last line, and on the next line add "ACLOCAL_FLAGS=-I/usr/local/share/aclocal" to the next line
Jun 22 01:55:28 <Tman> k
Jun 22 01:58:03 <Tman> dtzWill: hmm nope, didn't fix it :/
Jun 22 01:58:06 <dtzWill> so issue is my host has glib-gettext defined already, and apparently others' do not. x.x :)
Jun 22 01:58:21 <dtzWill> Tman: err what? i even removed my own defintion, reproduced error, and it fixed it
Jun 22 01:58:30 <dtzWill> :( haha. i believe you of course, but back to the drawing board perhaps
Jun 22 01:58:35 <Tman> dtzWill: ah it's not /usr/local/share it's /usr/share I think
Jun 22 01:59:07 <dtzWill> Tman: pretty sure it's /usr/local/share/aclocal because we map staging/usr/* to /usr/local/* within sb2
Jun 22 01:59:15 <Tman> oh..
Jun 22 02:00:08 <Tman> hmm yeah, no dice :/
Jun 22 02:01:23 <Tman> dtzWill: do you think there's a chance that it just doesn't know to include the .m4 file for gettext?
Jun 22 02:01:35 <dtzWill> Tman: wget http://wdtz.org/cross-compile.mk -O - | diff - support/cross-compile.mk
Jun 22 02:02:17 <dtzWill> Tman: possibly? :/ I wanna beat my solution to death a tiny bit more if you're be so kind :(
Jun 22 02:02:36 <dtzWill> Tman: alternatively can you check if your host/vm/whatever the WIDK on /does/ have the glib-gettext.m4 file?
Jun 22 02:03:07 <Tman> dtzWill: omg.. idiot typo hold on
Jun 22 02:03:56 <Tman> still doesn't work
Jun 22 02:04:35 <dtzWill> Tman: and your file diffs cleanly against mine (+/- whitespace?)?
Jun 22 02:04:47 <Tman> yep. now it does anyway
Jun 22 02:05:11 <dtzWill> Tman: can you 'make clobber' in the xkeyboardconfig directory to be sure? sometimes they cache things
Jun 22 02:05:21 <dtzWill> Tman: btw tyvm for helping, :/
Jun 22 02:05:34 <Tman> dtzWill: will do. an certainly!
Jun 22 02:05:38 <Tman> and*
Jun 22 02:06:12 <Tman> oh rm -rf build is what I've been doing.. still nope :/
Jun 22 02:06:30 <dtzWill> Tman: oh clobber does that haha :/.
Jun 22 02:06:31 <dtzWill> Tman: well, foo
Jun 22 02:06:56 <Tman> maybe it's just me, who knows :P
Jun 22 02:07:22 <Tman> like I said, rerunning make stage does the trick (oddly)
Jun 22 02:08:17 <dtzWill> Tman: ....oh. you said that? x.x
Jun 22 02:08:24 * dtzWill fails at reading comprehension
Jun 22 02:08:35 <Tman> lol it happens
Jun 22 02:08:56 <Tman> just like I typed ACLOGAL instead of ACLOCAL ;)
Jun 22 02:34:54 <Tman> rwhitby: pushed changes to git btw
Jun 22 02:35:33 * uNiXpSyChO time to move on to my next project: undervolting
Jun 22 02:37:20 <k\t> http://www.electricdaisycarnival.com/la/index.php
Jun 22 02:41:14 <rwhitby> k\t: someone using webos-internals stuff in that?
Jun 22 02:42:05 <k\t> i _hope_ so, and sure someone has an APP for _`THAT
Jun 22 02:58:33 <Tman> uNiXpSyChO: oh my, good luck
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