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Jun 22 03:11:35 <ka6sox2> Tman, you here?
Jun 22 03:15:09 <Tman> ka6sox2: yep
Jun 22 03:15:19 <hborders> hi
Jun 22 03:15:36 <hborders> installing widk tonight.  I've had some issues with vmware tools.  it's quite annoying
Jun 22 03:16:12 <ka6sox2> Tman found 2 out of 2 in under 30 seconds
Jun 22 03:16:52 <Tman> ka6sox2: Great news :D
Jun 22 03:17:55 <ka6sox2> Tman I took another 10 minutes to verify but that was very quick
Jun 22 03:18:53 <Tman> great. how was the interface?
Jun 22 03:21:23 <ka6sox2> clean
Jun 22 03:21:59 <Tman> lol true statement, since it doesn't have a lot of features yet ;)
Jun 22 03:22:14 <ka6sox2> works as advertised   takes a few seconds  to start
Jun 22 03:22:46 <ka6sox2> didn't heat up the pre at all
Jun 22 03:23:19 <Tman> yeah that's been my experience
Jun 22 03:23:35 <Tman> I think I should have a version ready to test on pixi pretty soon
Jun 22 03:24:49 <yokken> what are you talking about
Jun 22 03:24:51 <ka6sox2> kewl   lemme know when it's ready
Jun 22 03:27:14 <ka6sox2> Tman  you are UP
Jun 22 03:28:00 <Tman> UP?
Jun 22 03:31:02 <Tman> yokken: a real-time analyzer app I'm making
Jun 22 03:31:15 <yokken> neato
Jun 22 03:31:20 <yokken> analyzer for what
Jun 22 03:31:33 <rwhitby> heh - there are 10 kernels sitting in Preware feeds now ...
Jun 22 03:31:54 <Tman> yokken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Time_Analyzer
Jun 22 03:33:22 <jhojho> I wish someone would build a native app that does qr codes properly
Jun 22 03:33:49 <jhojho> zxing and all
Jun 22 03:34:33 <jhojho> rwhitby: did you see this? http://github.com/blog/665-apk-downloads-for-android-projects
Jun 22 03:35:26 <rwhitby> nice
Jun 22 03:35:46 <jhojho> yeh
Jun 22 03:35:59 <jhojho> bbl
Jun 22 03:42:19 <yokken> oh niiice
Jun 22 03:48:59 <hborders> I'm in the midst of doing "make stage" portion of the WIDK install
Jun 22 03:49:27 <hborders> do I need to follow the "Extracting the PDK on Linux" article as well
Jun 22 03:52:17 <rwhitby> not for things outside of nonworking
Jun 22 03:54:33 <BeeRad> wIRC is boss. Just sayin.
Jun 22 03:57:52 <Tman> BeeRad: do you just use it on wifi?
Jun 22 03:59:12 <BeeRad> Tman: ? Haven't tried it over 3G yet. Why do you ask?
Jun 22 03:59:52 <hborders> rwhitby: nonworking?
Jun 22 04:00:11 <Tman> BeeRad: I just didn't think that would be very practical, but wanted to know if you'd tried it :p
Jun 22 04:00:59 <hborders> I hit the "bad fd number" error, but worked around it as the wiki suggested.  Everything seems to be going swimmingly
Jun 22 04:01:37 <Tman> hborders: nonworking is all the packages included in WIDK that don't build at the moment... so apparently the PDK can help you compile some of those, but only if you need them
Jun 22 04:01:59 <hborders> tman: thanks.
Jun 22 04:02:18 <BeeRad> Tman: Tried what? Just 3G or just WiFi? I'll try either one. doesn't matter to me.
Jun 22 04:03:48 <Tman> BeeRad: 3G, sorry. I'm not asking you to, just wondered if you had.
Jun 22 04:05:32 <BeeRad> Tman: I've got extremely strong Verizon 3G in my home, 5 bars all the time, and sometimes better than my WiFi. haha
Jun 22 04:05:44 <Tman> lol nice
Jun 22 04:06:28 <BeeRad> Probably getting cancer from the tower being so close. lol
Jun 22 04:07:15 <Tman> I would probably set up a bouncer myself, that way I could do 3G while I'm out and about and not miss anything (if I so desired to be in IRC all the time :)
Jun 22 04:18:58 <Tman> grr computer hanged
Jun 22 04:19:16 <Tman> brb
Jun 22 04:44:03 <Gollyzila> I'm running F105 kernel. Wifi and cell network are the only radios on. I'm getting 7.20% per hour battery drainage JUST by sitting idle.
Jun 22 04:44:22 <yokken> wow
Jun 22 04:44:26 <Gollyzila> While the screen is off, running at 500Mhz
Jun 22 04:44:34 <yokken> sucky
Jun 22 04:44:41 <yokken> but i get pretty crappy battery life as it is
Jun 22 04:44:47 <yokken> 12 hours it's down to about 40%
Jun 22 04:45:36 <Gollyzila> Yeah I have pretty bad battery drainage with 3G on. Now I never have it on unless I'm bored and away from wifi.
Jun 22 04:47:52 <hborders> I just got a 500 error from curl downloading the fishfillets game during "make stage" while building WIDK
Jun 22 04:47:54 <hborders> does this matter?
Jun 22 04:49:00 <Tman> hborders: no but you'll have to skip that package
Jun 22 04:50:18 <hborders> tman: no biggie, but does that mean that other builds aborted?  Do I need to re-run "make stage"? It ran for like 1/2 hour (I imagine a lot of that was downloading).
Jun 22 04:51:23 <Tman> hborders: the easiest way I know of is to go into packages/games/fishfillets and mv Makefile to Makefile-bak or something, so it won't try to build the package. then cd back out and run make stage again (it will resume where you left off)
Jun 22 04:51:54 <hborders> cool.  thanks
Jun 22 04:52:35 <hborders> tman: I just re-ran "make stage" and it resumed right where it left off.  Just a network fart I think
Jun 22 04:52:47 <hborders> tman: it is a terrific build system.
Jun 22 04:53:10 <Tman> ah k
Jun 22 04:53:41 <Tman> yes it is great. not mine :)
Jun 22 04:54:51 <hborders> the whole reason I'm downloading this is because I was trying to get openssl to cross-compile onto the pre
Jun 22 04:54:58 <hborders> and the openssl configure script is pretty daunting
Jun 22 04:55:38 <hborders> zlib was simple.  I just set the xxx-gnueabi- prefix and everything works
Jun 22 04:56:23 <hborders> but openssl wants me to know a whole bunch of things about the system that palm never outlines in the pdk.  Obviously, the WIDK guys got it going.  I'm curious as to where they found the needed info
Jun 22 04:56:40 <Tman> I think openssl would be in preware..
Jun 22 04:58:16 <Tman> it is. are you trying to build it anway?
Jun 22 04:59:11 <Tman> and they got it by taking a look around for themselves ;)
Jun 22 05:01:57 <hborders> I'm trying to build an app for the app catalog
Jun 22 05:02:06 <hborders> rwhitby said I could use the WIDK to do that
Jun 22 05:02:17 <Tman> yeah
Jun 22 05:02:51 <hborders> I need liboauth, which needs libcurl, libssl, libcrypt, zlib
Jun 22 05:02:54 <Tman> I'm using WIDK to compile the libs I need, and PDK to build the app itself
Jun 22 05:03:10 <hborders> that was my plan as well
Jun 22 05:03:29 <hborders> I'm hoping I can contribute liboauth back to WIDK
Jun 22 05:04:37 <Tman> yeah, you can make a dir in projects/something and copy over the makefile from another project and edit it, it was easier than I thought
Jun 22 05:04:58 <jhoweb> hborders: please also consider pingfm support  =)
Jun 22 05:05:13 <hborders> jhoweb: pingfm?
Jun 22 05:05:25 <jhoweb> ping.fm
Jun 22 05:05:31 <hborders> oh sorry
Jun 22 05:05:40 <jhoweb> lets you update multiple sources...
Jun 22 05:05:45 <Tman> hborders: if you don't mind me asking, what are you making?
Jun 22 05:06:09 <hborders> I'm making a PDK twitter client
Jun 22 05:06:20 <hborders> SDK apps are _slow_
Jun 22 05:06:25 <hborders> unless you overclock
Jun 22 05:06:26 <Tman> cool
Jun 22 05:06:39 <hborders> I absolutely hate the GC/Swap pausing
Jun 22 05:06:45 <hborders> it kills and otherwise great OS
Jun 22 05:06:55 <Tman> yeah
Jun 22 05:07:13 <hborders> I'm an iphone dev, so this is a good opportunity to learn a new platform
Jun 22 05:07:29 <hborders> I've built a simple command-line app that can connect to twitter using oauth and tweet
Jun 22 05:07:36 <hborders> I'm hoping to port that to PDK
Jun 22 05:07:45 <hborders> and then start building a GUI around it
Jun 22 05:07:53 <hborders> then just start filling in features
Jun 22 05:08:16 <Tman> sounds like a plan
Jun 22 05:11:21 <Gollyzila> hborders:  I know I'm in no position to make requests on an app that still doesn't have a GUI, but when you do could you add a Timeline Marker (like what's found in Tweed)? I'll be the first to buy the app if you do. :)
Jun 22 05:14:27 <hborders> gollyzilla:I had an idea like that.  Right now, i'll just be happy to pull a timeline at all. :)
Jun 22 05:14:53 <jhoweb> debating building yet another kernel..
Jun 22 05:15:12 <Gollyzila> hborders: I wish you the best of luck.
Jun 22 05:15:39 <jhoweb> magicdonkey-kernel-pre =)
Jun 22 05:15:50 <Tman> lol..
Jun 22 05:16:00 <halfhalo> showmethemoney-kernel!
Jun 22 05:16:06 <jhoweb> lol
Jun 22 05:16:16 <jhoweb> donaterighthere-kernel
Jun 22 05:16:39 <jhoweb> i wonder if people would donate for an overclocked pixi... =D
Jun 22 05:17:18 <halfhalo> zombiekernelofdoom-kernel
Jun 22 05:17:44 <jhoweb> thiswilleatyourpre-kernel
Jun 22 05:17:56 <halfhalo> lukeiamyourfather-kernel
Jun 22 05:18:08 <hborders> i'm out.  hopefully WIDK builds by morning. :)
Jun 22 05:18:10 <hborders> later
Jun 22 05:18:40 <jhoweb> ooo  vader-kernel-pre
Jun 22 05:26:19 <dtzWill> it's cool to see people finding the WIDK useful to get a bunch of the libs they need (and often contributing back)
Jun 22 05:37:04 <Tman> yep.. working on libSDL-widgets :) (hopefully it's decent..)
Jun 22 05:38:40 <Tman> geez.. it doesn't even have a real ./configure.. just a hacked-together one
Jun 22 05:41:30 <dtzWill> Tman: hate that. especially when they call if configure and it's not at all what you expect, lol :(
Jun 22 05:41:55 <Tman> yeah. It has /usr/lib hardcoded as the lib directory.. seriously..
Jun 22 05:42:07 <dtzWill> Tman: lol
Jun 22 05:42:12 <dtzWill> Tman: add a sed line to the makefile? x.x
Jun 22 05:42:29 <Tman> that could work..
Jun 22 05:42:46 <dtzWill> Tman: it'll go in the unpack target definition probably
Jun 22 05:42:58 <dtzWill> (the build rule needs to be something that can be called multiple times)
Jun 22 05:43:55 <Tman> okay, thanks
Jun 22 05:45:43 <Tman> dtzWill: build/.unpacked?
Jun 22 05:46:06 <Tman> I put something under "unpack" and it didn't run
Jun 22 05:46:14 <dtzWill> Tman: yeppers. conceptually merging patching with unpacking
Jun 22 05:46:23 <dtzWill> Tman: oh you were actually asking for exact name. pretty sure that's it, yes.
Jun 22 05:48:01 <Tman> cool, now I have to help it find some fonts
Jun 22 05:48:47 <dtzWill> Tman: bah that's a beast.... x fonts?
Jun 22 05:49:48 <Tman> FreeSans FreeSansBold FreeMono .ttf
Jun 22 05:50:22 <Tman> ah they do seem to be there
Jun 22 05:50:56 <Tman> but are they on the pre :/
Jun 22 05:51:57 <Tman> yes. perfect
Jun 22 05:55:03 <dtzWill> Tman: yay. did you say.. SDL-widgets?? :D
Jun 22 05:55:09 <Tman> yep
Jun 22 05:55:28 <dtzWill> Tman: for VBA (visualboyadance, if you've seen it) i made my own widgets... not gonna lie it would be nice if i could import some widget goodness haha
Jun 22 05:55:44 <Tman> haha yeah I've been down that road, it is a pain
Jun 22 05:55:49 <dtzWill> Tman: so good luck, sir :D
Jun 22 05:55:54 <Tman> thanks
Jun 22 05:56:17 <Tman> I don't know if these will turn out any good, but I want to try the lib out
Jun 22 05:57:05 <dtzWill> Tman: yeah i tried a few sdl-based widget sets, nothing worked well for me
Jun 22 05:57:17 <dtzWill> most promising was... damn, i don't remember at all. don't think i tried sdl-widgets, however
Jun 22 05:57:38 <Tman> hmm there are more? maybe I should've looked harder :p
Jun 22 06:01:12 <dtzWill> Tman: http://www.libsdl.org/libraries.php?order=name&category=14&completed=0&os=-1&match_name=&perpage=50
Jun 22 06:02:21 <dtzWill> Tman: I believe i tried, to varying degrees and varying levels of success... aedGUI, Agar, maybe paragui, picogui iirc
Jun 22 06:02:32 <dtzWill> it was a while ago and i was just trying to avoid making my own scroll widget haha
Jun 22 06:03:07 <dtzWill> Tman: that said, i don't mean to discourage you--it's possible i didn't use one b/c it didn't fit my needs, etc
Jun 22 06:03:24 <dtzWill> (i think i tried to avoid ones that required i wrote a 'foolib' app, for example)
Jun 22 06:03:51 <Tman> right :)
Jun 22 06:04:27 <Tman> hopefully one of them provides enough customization
Jun 22 06:04:29 <Tman> thanks for the link
Jun 22 06:19:34 <jhoweb> something that may be of interest to PDK developers
Jun 22 06:19:36 <jhoweb> http://code.google.com/p/math-neon/
Jun 22 06:22:32 <Tman> hmm that does sound interesting
Jun 22 06:23:26 <jhoweb> Tman: want to build a version of linpack using it? =)
Jun 22 06:23:29 <Tman> no downloads though, and no activity since January.. still it looks like he probably has things working
Jun 22 06:23:47 <jhoweb> sure you can check out via svn
Jun 22 06:23:57 <jhoweb> svn checkout http://math-neon.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ math-neon-read-only
Jun 22 06:23:57 <Tman> linpack? :/
Jun 22 06:24:12 <jhoweb> linpackc.c
Jun 22 06:24:48 <Tman> ehe not particularly, though I'd encourage you to give it a whirl on WIDK ;)
Jun 22 06:25:09 <jhoweb> one of the tools we have been using to gauge perf. obviously not definitive
Jun 22 06:25:11 <torchie-pre> :o
Jun 22 06:25:19 <Tman> would require some patching I'm sure
Jun 22 06:25:24 <jhoweb> but worth a spin
Jun 22 06:28:33 <jhoweb> http://gsoc2010-fftw-neon.blogspot.com/2010/06/weekly-report-3.html
Jun 22 06:33:05 <dtzWill> so you got me looking at the gsoc2010 projects
Jun 22 06:33:30 <dtzWill> and working with the SDL guys, towards "addition of multi-touch and gesture recognition support"
Jun 22 06:33:34 <dtzWill> is none other than
Jun 22 06:33:38 <dtzWill> "Jim grandpre"
Jun 22 06:33:41 <dtzWill> LOL
Jun 22 06:34:16 * dtzWill thinks palm made that person up and is just send over pieces of their modifications to SDL split across the summer
Jun 22 06:34:19 <dtzWill> lo
Jun 22 06:34:22 <dtzWill> s/lo/lol/
Jun 22 06:34:22 <infobot> dtzWill meant: lol
Jun 22 06:34:27 <dtzWill> ~botsnack
Jun 22 06:34:27 <infobot> dtzWill: :)
Jun 22 06:34:46 <Tman> ehe
Jun 22 06:34:54 <Tman> Grandpre eh
Jun 22 06:35:28 <dtzWill> also i'm rather excited about the detachbale pidgin sessions thing
Jun 22 06:35:47 <dtzWill> i freaking love detachable irc (standard irssi/screen), and would love the same for my IM
Jun 22 06:36:08 <dtzWill> sorry i'm getting rather offtopic
Jun 22 06:36:12 * dtzWill kicks himself
Jun 22 06:38:45 <torchie-pre> I wonder if skype's messaging api is open
Jun 22 06:39:32 <torchie-pre> all my friends switch to skype as main Im client and then I get a pre
Jun 22 06:39:32 <jhoweb> http://code.google.com/p/vfpmathlibrary/
Jun 22 06:40:11 <jhoweb> dtzWill: i'm thinking that webos-internals should maybe had participated as a mentor org for gsoc
Jun 22 06:40:23 <jhoweb> maybe next year (if webos is still around =)
Jun 22 06:40:32 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 22 06:41:36 <dtzWill> jhoweb: that'd be awesome :D
Jun 22 06:42:00 <jhoweb> project: "make things go faster"
Jun 22 06:47:44 <temprkguy> may I ask a question related to your wiki?
Jun 22 06:51:45 <temprkguy> No response. Errr... I'll just ask and hope for a bite. I read that the Pre can do reverse tethering on the wiki. If I say "route add 192.168.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.11" in terminal will that still allow me to send typical web traffic through the wireless provider? - sorry for the rather lame question. I have to connect to a sensor that is designed for ad-hoc mode.
Jun 22 08:10:19 <Robi_> hmm this could be adapted for the pre
Jun 22 08:10:29 <Robi_> arm proc support
Jun 22 08:10:31 <Robi_> http://www.citrix.com/English/SS/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=3323&productId=186
Jun 22 08:10:49 <Robi_> then http://www.extentrix.com/MobileVMManager/index.htm
Jun 22 08:11:43 <ka6sox-away> is OpenMOTIF available for the Pre?
Jun 22 08:13:16 <ka6sox-away> Robi_, ^^
Jun 22 10:13:36 <GNUtoo> hi, I saw that there is a preware application, I was wondering how portable it was
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Jun 22 10:15:35 <bhuey> so the behavior ended up work for the heavily loaded cases
Jun 22 10:15:46 <bhuey> I reverted back to the original kernel
Jun 22 10:27:58 <bhuey> rwhitby: you around ?
Jun 22 10:31:26 <eric2k> Whatsup everyone
Jun 22 10:36:19 <swisstomcat> not much
Jun 22 10:36:50 <eric2k> Day 2 in my palm pre search lol.
Jun 22 10:37:04 <swisstomcat> did you buy it?
Jun 22 10:37:21 <eric2k> The one i saw today was not worth buying. Guy was a huge huge unkempt fat guy. His phone showed his life style. Like you think ud CLEAN the phone before sale?
Jun 22 10:37:37 <eric2k> behind battery cover there was like more dirt then ive ever seen in ages on a phone
Jun 22 10:37:41 <eric2k> He had a screen protector on it... but
Jun 22 10:37:48 <eric2k> side edges were dented
Jun 22 10:37:53 <eric2k> back cover was horrible.
Jun 22 10:38:09 <eric2k> Top it off the USB charge wire was clearly spliced back together.
Jun 22 10:38:31 <eric2k> I told him i will contact you again if i cant find another. No way im paying 150 for this when i know i can get a far better one for same price.
Jun 22 10:38:34 <eric2k> O well
Jun 22 10:38:50 <eric2k> I was all hyped after work to get it and use it lol
Jun 22 10:39:27 <eric2k> The body damage was just to much to really let go. That and missing headphones/box/case.   A few months ago id taken a 150$ CAD Pre. (150USD more orles)
Jun 22 10:39:40 <eric2k> now with pre brand new 299.99 used prices have dropped big time.
Jun 22 10:39:51 <eric2k> Also really nice our carrier added new 15$ unlimited data option. no teather.
Jun 22 10:39:58 <eric2k> just for pre
Jun 22 10:40:09 <eric2k> cant belive people are selling them to switch to BB's
Jun 22 10:40:12 <eric2k> makes no Fn sence
Jun 22 10:41:30 <eric2k> random question,  what is the best fix for longer battery life?  (besides turning screen brightness down/disableing data/no wifi/no exchange email or polling x amount of time)
Jun 22 10:41:47 <eric2k> are the same sized higher mAh batteries worth it?
Jun 22 10:42:13 <swisstomcat> there's an article on precentral.net regarding this
Jun 22 10:42:18 <swisstomcat> also read the comments
Jun 22 10:42:39 <eric2k> I did
Jun 22 10:42:44 <eric2k> http://www.precentral.net/how-tips-improving-battery-life
Jun 22 10:42:47 <eric2k> Hence why im asking lol
Jun 22 10:42:52 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 22 10:42:53 <eric2k> I was about to go over the comments
Jun 22 10:42:55 <swisstomcat> that's the one
Jun 22 10:42:58 <eric2k> Guy was saying "http://www.precentral.net/how-tips-improving-battery-life"
Jun 22 10:42:59 <eric2k> opps
Jun 22 10:43:09 <eric2k> "s Unixpsycho. I use F102 at 500/720. Remember these take days to settle down with the phone but after a few days you should see major improvements. Also, make sure to pull battery shutdown once a day to further reset the phone processor."
Jun 22 10:43:16 <eric2k> Why would it take "Days" to settle in?
Jun 22 10:43:52 <eric2k> and
Jun 22 10:43:58 <eric2k> "Change from Hybrid Rev A to Hybrid Rev 0 (##EVDO#) THIS IS THE BIGGEST BATTERY SAVER OF EVERYTHING I HAVE TRIED."
Jun 22 10:44:06 <eric2k> "- Set logging to error only (minimal) (##LOGS#)"
Jun 22 10:44:38 <eric2k> Why would going to a slower EVDO rev0 help lower battery usage? Also why would anyone bother making data speed slower? lol
Jun 22 10:44:53 <eric2k> And how would error logging eat battery? Is that system process that CPU intensive?
Jun 22 10:46:03 <eric2k> From what i read.  Basic, lower brightness/turn data off more often+wifi/Turn Email checking off.  Then  alternate kernels/larger stock sized battery/. Thoes seem like the best soultions.
Jun 22 10:47:10 <eric2k> i dunno about this error logging/go down to rev 0 evdo  and leaveing apps open vs closeing. Thoes are supposidly ways to lower usage.
Jun 22 11:07:35 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: ping
Jun 22 11:37:24 <rwhitby> bhuey: yep?
Jun 22 11:39:09 <rwhitby> logging eats battery cause it's writing to flash
Jun 22 12:07:01 <xota> hi! I've configured my mobile with push email notifications, yesterday it works, but now it doesn't... why is it missconfigured?
Jun 22 12:43:37 <en0x> xota, using wifi?
Jun 22 13:53:32 <HattCzech_work> what's a good compcache memlimit size?
Jun 22 13:55:26 <PuffTheMagic> depends on your
Jun 22 13:55:27 <PuffTheMagic> goals
Jun 22 13:55:35 <PuffTheMagic> what do you do on your phone?
Jun 22 13:56:24 <HattCzech_work> everything :)
Jun 22 13:56:31 <HattCzech_work> usually just email and web
Jun 22 13:58:27 <PuffTheMagic> HattCzech_work: well compache is sacrificing cpu for disk io
Jun 22 13:58:34 <PuffTheMagic> so if u dont really play games
Jun 22 13:58:44 <PuffTheMagic> or
Jun 22 13:58:52 <PuffTheMagic> compile on your pre
Jun 22 13:58:53 <HattCzech_work> sometimes i play monopoly
Jun 22 13:59:10 <PuffTheMagic> but thatis already using most of the cpu i think
Jun 22 13:59:24 <HattCzech_work> okay, i'll leave it off for now...
Jun 22 13:59:37 <PuffTheMagic> well
Jun 22 13:59:40 <PuffTheMagic> actually
Jun 22 14:00:03 <PuffTheMagic> HattCzech_work: it might help out with memory a little
Jun 22 14:00:06 <HattCzech_work> hmmm... and now my phone won't turn on :/
Jun 22 14:00:27 <PuffTheMagic> HattCzech_work: I would try 1/2 your memory
Jun 22 14:00:29 <PuffTheMagic> see how that goes
Jun 22 14:00:55 <PuffTheMagic> or 75%
Jun 22 14:00:57 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Jun 22 14:01:12 <PuffTheMagic> i havent played with it on my pre
Jun 22 14:01:12 <HattCzech_work> alrighty
Jun 22 14:01:17 <PuffTheMagic> only on desktop and OLPC
Jun 22 14:01:55 <PuffTheMagic> its helps with the XO so it should help with the pre
Jun 22 14:01:58 <PuffTheMagic> its just that
Jun 22 14:02:01 <PuffTheMagic> the XO has a power cord
Jun 22 14:02:07 <PuffTheMagic> so useing more cpu is nothing
Jun 22 14:57:58 <Cerealklr> Heya, can someone drop me the link to the alpha testing feed (presuming it exists)? Rwhitby mentioned that the latest generation kernels were in the alpha testing feed (which I presumed meant the testing feed, but I've had then for a while now and not seen any new kernels, let alone updates to my current rather old UberKernel install).
Jun 22 14:58:25 <Cerealklr> I searched around the wiki but couldn't find any references to it on the Uberkernel page or from a general search at all.
Jun 22 15:36:49 <bhuey> exit
Jun 22 15:36:51 <bhuey> exit
Jun 22 15:38:19 <zsoc_wirc> ~seen nt4cats
Jun 22 15:38:21 <infobot> nt4cats <~nt4cats@71.175.25.249> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 9d 3h 14m 29s ago, saying: '(and I just capitalized "Son" -- a practice usually reserved for Jesus, I think)'.
Jun 22 15:38:32 <zsoc_wirc> haha
Jun 22 15:42:32 <bhuey> exit
Jun 22 15:42:41 <bhuey> ls
Jun 22 15:42:42 <bhuey> ls
Jun 22 15:42:43 <bhuey> ls
Jun 22 15:42:45 <bhuey> ls
Jun 22 15:42:47 <bhuey> ls
Jun 22 15:43:32 <dtzWill> bhuey: lol
Jun 22 15:43:39 <mikewx> ls: reading directory .: Permission denied
Jun 22 15:43:39 <mikewx> $Recycle.Bin  Documents and Settings                  FF-Membership
Jun 22 15:43:39 <mikewx> Config.Msi    enwiki-20091026-pages-articles.xml.bz2
Jun 22 15:43:47 <mikewx> (
Jun 22 15:52:06 <Cerealklr> cd / && sudo rm -rfy *
Jun 22 15:52:06 <Cerealklr> ?
Jun 22 15:52:59 <mikewx> it came up with a uac gui-only prompt. sorry
Jun 22 15:53:28 <bhuey> sorry
Jun 22 15:53:51 <bhuey> was trying to get out of terminus but apparently without success
Jun 22 15:54:17 <bhuey> the terminal was screwed up so I had no output
Jun 22 15:54:30 <zsoc_wirc> Cerealklr: that's not really cool
Jun 22 15:54:44 <bhuey> rwhitby: you there ?
Jun 22 15:54:58 <bhuey> was frunning that new uberkernel for a day
Jun 22 15:55:17 <bhuey> ran into a couple of problems and made an observation
Jun 22 15:55:30 <Cerealklr> zsoc_wirc: hmm? Everyone who's touched linux or read a reasonably techie comment knows not to run that! =P
Jun 22 15:56:11 <zsoc_wirc> Cerealklr: except we have many curious users who are using linux but unfamiliar with it.
Jun 22 15:56:14 <Cerealklr> (and I didn't see any actual requests for assistance involving commands. I figured a command line joke was being made. xD)
Jun 22 15:56:51 <zsoc_wirc> I didn't feel 'dont post malicious commands' was necessary to put in the topic :p
Jun 22 15:57:03 <Cerealklr> okay, well i'll keep my mouth shut in the future then. I didn't realize anyone was requesting help.
Jun 22 15:57:11 <Cerealklr> Sorry about that, whomever.
Jun 22 15:57:43 <zsoc_wirc> sok
Jun 22 17:26:13 <djk1> is there something broken with Preware? I can't get apps to install or update
Jun 22 17:40:03 <BeeRad> Warthog Kernel is the latest correct?
Jun 22 17:42:08 <uNiXpSyChO> what do you mean by latest?
Jun 22 17:50:46 <BeeRad> Uber 1.4.1-46 was the last I got from the feeds. Warthog 1.4.1-49 is different in what ways?
Jun 22 17:53:06 <uNiXpSyChO> Uber is stable, everthing else is not.  plus, Warthog isnt really meant for endusers.  there was a page somewhere stating the differneces.  maybe on P|C
Jun 22 18:20:00 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jun 22 18:38:49 <mdordal2> I'm getting build errors at the 'make stage' step of the WIDK. http://webos-internals.pastebin.org/351528 is the output. Anyone have any ideas?
Jun 22 18:42:38 <zsoc_wirc> probably can ignore it
Jun 22 18:43:02 <zsoc_wirc> mdordal2: oh that's bad
Jun 22 18:43:08 <zsoc_wirc> I have no idea what that is
Jun 22 18:43:33 <halfhalo_class> ruhroh!
Jun 22 18:53:23 <mdordal2> that sounds bad then
Jun 22 18:57:40 <dtzWill> mdordal2: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#.2Fbin.2Fsh_errors
Jun 22 18:58:02 <dtzWill> only know that that's there b/c someone mentioned it the other day and how the wiki helped hehe
Jun 22 18:59:53 <mdordal2> hrm. Seems like someone is bad at writing shellscript
Jun 22 19:04:37 <zsoc_wirc> ahahahahahahahha
Jun 22 19:04:40 <zsoc_wirc> nice
Jun 22 19:07:35 <bpadalino|work> feel free to write a better shellscript
Jun 22 19:25:26 <Guest79231> Hello everyone.  I'm the developer of projectM.  I was curious if it would be possible to use pulseaudio to get PCM data for the currently playing sound stream.  Whether it be the Music App, Pandora, or somethign else.
Jun 22 19:25:47 <Guest79231> This of course would allow me to port projectM to webOS
Jun 22 19:25:57 <Tman> link?
Jun 22 19:26:38 <Tman> You can use pulseaudio, but that wouldn't get accepted in the app catalog right now. However you could release in preware. Assuming pulseaudio lets you do that
Jun 22 19:27:16 <Guest79231> Pulseaudio lets you do it on vanilla linux, I was wondering if anyone knew if the pulseaudio running on the device is modified in some way.
Jun 22 19:27:46 <Guest79231> http://projectM.sf.net <-- Is that what you mean by link?
Jun 22 19:28:36 <Guest79231> projectM is open source, so preware is a go for me
Jun 22 19:29:19 <swisstomcat> you can see the changes/patches to pulseaudio at http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/1.4.2/pulseaudio-0.9.14-patch.gz
Jun 22 19:29:30 <swisstomcat> http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
Jun 22 19:29:48 <Guest79231> wow, I knew this was the right place
Jun 22 19:29:50 <Guest79231> Thanks
Jun 22 19:30:02 <swisstomcat> welcome, guest79231 btw :)
Jun 22 19:30:15 <Guest79231> yeah, I should get my nick registered
Jun 22 19:30:22 <Guest79231> I guess tehre already was a pete on efnet
Jun 22 19:30:51 <dtzWill> Guest79231: talk to zsoc (or zsoc_wirc)
Jun 22 19:31:06 <dtzWill> Guest79231: doesn't his zcorder app do taht? o_O
Jun 22 19:31:07 <Guest79231> thanks
Jun 22 19:31:25 <dtzWill> zsoc_wirc: pingaling :)
Jun 22 19:31:46 <Guest79231> I'm not sure, preCorder just listens to the microphone, does zcorder allow you to record any sound?
Jun 22 19:31:52 <zsoc_wirc> what's up?
Jun 22 19:32:12 <Guest79231> Hello zsoc, do you know if its possible to use pulseaudio to get ALL sound playing in webOS?
Jun 22 19:32:18 <Guest79231> I am considering proting projectM.
Jun 22 19:32:24 <Guest79231> porting, that is
Jun 22 19:32:53 <zsoc_wirc> Guest79231: aren't you the guy that stole the code from drpodder?
Jun 22 19:33:14 <Guest79231> haha, no, I'm Pete Sperl, the develoepr of projectM
Jun 22 19:33:19 <zsoc_wirc> ah , right ok
Jun 22 19:33:20 <Guest79231> http://projectM.sf.net
Jun 22 19:33:38 <zsoc_wirc> yes if you're familiar with pulseaudio
Jun 22 19:33:41 <Guest79231> pete was already taken on efnet, apparently
Jun 22 19:33:53 <zsoc_wirc> you'll see the cmd list has many sink-monitors
Jun 22 19:34:10 <Guest79231> Cool, pulseaudio should make it possible to visualize EVERYTHING that plays on the pre, which is exciting from a music visualization perspective
Jun 22 19:34:29 <Guest79231> But I was worried they might have patched pulseaudio to rpevent this
Jun 22 19:34:32 <zsoc_wirc> yeah, I actually have that working now
Jun 22 19:34:45 <zsoc_wirc> just never implemented it into zcorder
Jun 22 19:34:50 <Guest79231> With zcorder?
Jun 22 19:34:52 <Guest79231> oh
Jun 22 19:34:59 <Guest79231> Well, that is good news.
Jun 22 19:35:07 <Guest79231> So then this should work. Excellent.
Jun 22 19:35:31 <zsoc_wirc> I stopped devin zcorder once I realized I couldn't get it in the catalog, but I'll probably start soon again as it may work in the future
Jun 22 19:35:57 <Guest79231> I ported projectM to the iPhone last year and it looked beautiful, but I had no way to get sound. Now I own a pre and pulseaudio an app like this so much more desirable.
Jun 22 19:36:18 <Guest79231> I omitted a makes in betwwen an and app
Jun 22 19:36:30 <Guest79231> Did Palm officially say no to zcorder?
Jun 22 19:38:28 <zsoc_wirc> Guest79231: pdk hybrid apps are still beta. currently I can not acces alsa/pulse/gst/or glib and be accepted
Jun 22 19:38:37 <zsoc_wirc> but that could change in 1.5
Jun 22 19:38:52 <Tman> Guest79231: I would recommend compiling a static pulseaudio lib with WIDK (it's included in the tree) and using that and the PDK to build your app
Jun 22 19:39:04 <zsoc_wirc> Tman: that would not work
Jun 22 19:39:22 <Tman> why not?
Jun 22 19:39:38 <zsoc_wirc> or at least would not access the existing pulseaudio configs and souce/sink monitors
Jun 22 19:39:51 <Guest79231> Which would make it useless
Jun 22 19:40:14 <zsoc_wirc> Guest79231: have you seen the media capture mode in zcorder?
Jun 22 19:40:26 <Guest79231> No, I haven't tried zcorder yet
Jun 22 19:40:32 <Guest79231> be right back
Jun 22 19:40:59 <pete27> Ok, am I still guest?
Jun 22 19:41:02 <pete27> No, great
Jun 22 19:41:10 <Tman> zsoc_wirc: mm I guess you're right.. I use a dynamic link on rta. I forgot
Jun 22 19:41:53 <zsoc_wirc> pete: media capture uses gst and pulseaudio to recorder from internal stream, like pandora
Jun 22 19:42:19 <Tman> in that case.. you might be able to just pull the pulseaudio .so off the pre and use it to get your package to compile
Jun 22 19:42:54 <pete27> Thanks for the info guys, this is great.
Jun 22 19:43:19 <zsoc_wirc> Tman: ok? then what would it link on runtime?
Jun 22 19:43:40 <Tman> zsoc_wirc: the library on the pre
Jun 22 19:43:48 <Tman> That's how I use alsa on rta
Jun 22 19:43:59 <zsoc_wirc> Tman: that's the problem. libpulse isn't whitelisted
Jun 22 19:44:07 <zsoc_wirc> so catalog rejection would occur
Jun 22 19:44:31 <Tman> Yeah.. I told him that, he said releasing on preware would be fine
Jun 22 19:44:50 <zsoc_wirc> o. ok then\n
Jun 22 19:45:49 * Tman is off to lunch now
Jun 22 19:46:31 <pete27> Of course I would love to make some cash off this, but projectM has been open source for 7 years
Jun 22 19:46:41 <pete27> Might as well release it on preware if I have it done
Jun 22 19:46:50 <pete27> Otherwise I would be a hypocrit
Jun 22 19:47:05 <swisstomcat> cool stuff
Jun 22 20:46:55 <mdordal2> Another build error! Any ideas? http://webos-internals.pastebin.org/352022
Jun 22 20:50:33 <zsoc_wirc> mdordal2: I would try it again. if it does the same thing just dump python into nonworkin/ for now
Jun 22 20:51:05 <zsoc_wirc> dtzWill: what is this stage-local magics you were playing woth
Jun 22 20:52:44 <dtzWill> i blame a bad version of qemu
Jun 22 20:52:57 <dtzWill> if qemu has an internal asertion failure... lol
Jun 22 20:53:01 <dtzWill> zsoc_wirc: it's magic and candy
Jun 22 20:53:31 <dtzWill> zsoc_wirc: 'stage-local' builds the package, assuming all deps have been handled
Jun 22 20:53:52 <dtzWill> zsoc_wirc: while before 'stage' built all deps then the package, and it still does that, but split them up
Jun 22 20:53:55 <zsoc_wirc> hm.
Jun 22 20:54:00 <dtzWill> zsoc_wirc: made things cleaner
Jun 22 20:54:05 <dtzWill> zsoc_wirc: are you having issues?
Jun 22 20:54:11 <zsoc_wirc> nah
Jun 22 20:54:28 <dtzWill> zsoc_wirc: and the dep handling is much better, whole thing can finally build in parallel, etc
Jun 22 20:55:25 <zsoc_wirc> ah, for you mutli core guys ;)
Jun 22 20:55:48 <dtzWill> zsoc_wirc: indeed :D. but also spends significantly less time checking and re-checking and re-re-checking dependencies lol
Jun 22 20:56:25 <dtzWill> why am I the only one without strange qemu failures?! lol
Jun 22 20:56:30 <dtzWill> wtf does ubuntu do to qemu :P
Jun 22 20:56:34 <halfhalo_class> because?
Jun 22 20:56:53 <dtzWill> (cheap, unfounded jab, sorry)
Jun 22 20:57:03 <dtzWill> honestly I almost wish I did so that i could fix them
Jun 22 20:58:42 <swisstomcat> night everyone
Jun 22 20:58:49 <dtzWill> swisstomcat: nn
Jun 22 21:07:40 <mdordal2> huh. making multiple times does not give me the same error each time
Jun 22 21:08:12 <egaudet_work> yeah it's fun like that
Jun 22 21:17:04 <Tman> ehe
Jun 22 21:21:36 <SimpsonTP> egaudet, around ?
Jun 22 21:27:45 <egaudet_work> yes
Jun 22 21:28:06 <SimpsonTP> egaudet_work, you are the creator of the virtual keyboard right ?
Jun 22 21:28:39 <egaudet_work> yes
Jun 22 21:28:55 <SimpsonTP> is there a way to debug a non working installation ?
Jun 22 21:29:23 <SimpsonTP> I've got 1.4.1-1 installed, but it doesn't show at all
Jun 22 21:29:36 <egaudet_work> what doesn't show?
Jun 22 21:29:43 <SimpsonTP> the onscreen keyboard
Jun 22 21:29:45 <egaudet_work> the keyboard or the package as installed
Jun 22 21:30:08 <SimpsonTP> the keyboard, the package is visible with preware
Jun 22 21:30:18 <egaudet_work> when installing it takes a LONNG time, did you wait for the "restart luna" prompt?
Jun 22 21:30:32 <SimpsonTP> under 'installed patches'
Jun 22 21:30:36 <SimpsonTP> yes I did
Jun 22 21:31:13 <egaudet_work> open memos, new note, double tap the gesture area, wait 5 seconds (cursor should stop blinking while keyboard loads)
Jun 22 21:31:19 <egaudet_work> do you have test feeds enabled?
Jun 22 21:31:29 <egaudet_work> have you updated feeds and makes ure preware still sees it as installed
Jun 22 21:32:23 <SimpsonTP> cursor doesnT stop blinking
Jun 22 21:32:59 <SimpsonTP> I don't have the test feed
Jun 22 21:33:09 <egaudet_work> what locale?
Jun 22 21:33:41 <SimpsonTP> en
Jun 22 21:33:46 <SimpsonTP> but its a german phone
Jun 22 21:34:33 <egaudet_work> when you double tap are you making sure to stay away from the center minimize/maximize button/area ?
Jun 22 21:34:41 <egaudet_work> does your center LED light up when you double tap
Jun 22 21:35:17 <SimpsonTP> nope
Jun 22 21:35:37 <egaudet_work> when you put your finger down on the gesture area, the LED does not light up?
Jun 22 21:36:19 <SimpsonTP> when I hold it down, it does ( its a pre plus btw )
Jun 22 21:38:40 <egaudet_work> Make sure you get solid contact with the gesture area, the double tap should light up the LED
Jun 22 21:38:58 <egaudet_work> if it's not lighting up, it may mean that it is not going through at all
Jun 22 21:39:32 <egaudet_work> you have I think 500 or 750ms for the double tap so it doesn't have to be lightning fast
Jun 22 21:42:12 <SimpsonTP> nothinh happens
Jun 22 21:42:29 <SimpsonTP> is it incompatible with other patches ?
Jun 22 21:44:25 <SimpsonTP> egaudet, I'll try to reinstall
Jun 22 21:44:56 <egaudet_work> it's possible I guess, I don't know the status of every patch out there, try to remove all in the mojo category to see if it could be that
Jun 22 21:45:03 <egaudet_work> we can debut further later tonight or tomorr
Jun 22 21:45:11 <egaudet_work> I have to run for a few hours
Jun 22 21:45:16 <egaudet_work> s/debut/debug
Jun 22 21:45:30 <SimpsonTP> okay thx so far !
Jun 22 21:47:46 <rwhitby> bhuey: ping
Jun 22 21:50:55 <rwhitby> pete: welcome
Jun 22 21:51:11 * jhojho looks around for geist 
Jun 22 21:51:47 <jhojho> geist: I just noticed that CONFIG_PREEMPT=y for the Pixi
Jun 22 21:52:07 <jhojho> can you confirm?
Jun 22 21:54:14 <bejo> hi guys, i'm trying to flash my new AT&T Pre Plus with custom firmware, but the latest meta-doctor version seems to produce corrupted webosdoctor (it stops just after charging battery part at 0% with msg "we were unable to reset your phone")
Jun 22 21:56:22 <bejo> from meta-doctor git repo logs I can tell that the support for my webosdoctor version (1.4.2 att), but apparently it's broken in the latest commit
Jun 22 21:57:22 <geist> yes
Jun 22 21:59:05 <bejo> i've tried under osx, lnx and win, same story everywhere :( on the other hand unmodified version of webosdoctor flashes my palm without a problem, so i'm quite sure that something is broken in the latest meta-doctor
Jun 22 22:00:00 <Tman> bejo: might want to talk to rwhitby. he's usually here later in the day
Jun 22 22:01:14 <bejo> Tman: thank you, i'll look for him
Jun 22 22:05:30 <rwhitby> bejo: what settings are you using?
Jun 22 22:06:33 <bejo> hi rwhitby, i use only BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP = 1 and of coz CARRIER = att
Jun 22 22:06:33 <rwhitby> bejo: the "we were unable" part comes before any changes that meta-doctor has made, interestingly.
Jun 22 22:06:50 <rwhitby> hmm - that combination should work
Jun 22 22:07:14 <rwhitby> bejo: do you have the host system logs?  (e.g. /var/log/system.log on macosx)
Jun 22 22:07:31 <bejo> rwhitby: very unlikely that it comes before meta-doctor changes, since unmodified version of webosdoctor works like a charm
Jun 22 22:08:13 <rwhitby> bejo: ok, grab the logs and webos.pastebin.com them
Jun 22 22:08:14 <bejo> rwhitby: i have, i'll check it out in a min
Jun 22 22:08:24 <oc80z> whats good????
Jun 22 22:08:46 <bejo> rwhitby: is DEVICE = pre fine? or should it be sth like DEVICE = preplus?
Jun 22 22:11:32 <rwhitby> pre is fine
Jun 22 22:11:59 <rwhitby> oc80z: uber-46, govnah 0.4.9 is almost good enough for public feeds
Jun 22 22:15:30 <Abyssul> Does anyone know where to look for the function that sends audio files from MMS messages to the .attachment directory in the internal partition
Jun 22 22:16:33 <bejo> rwhitby: the logs are on webos.pastebin.com (BY ANONYMOUS ON THE 22ND OF JUN 2010 05:15:45 PM)
Jun 22 22:16:45 <rwhitby> bejo: url?
Jun 22 22:16:47 <zsoc> Abyssul: I assume it's part of the attachment framework?
Jun 22 22:16:59 <bejo> rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/MXWeqgdS
Jun 22 22:17:59 <rwhitby> bejo: the problem is your tar program
Jun 22 22:18:10 <rwhitby> see lines 263, 265, 267
Jun 22 22:19:45 <bejo> rwhiby: what's wrong with that: 263. 6/23/10 12:12:34 AM     [0x0-0x1ba1ba].com.apple.JarLauncher[2758]      ./._nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gz
Jun 22 22:20:07 <bejo> BTW: i use gnutar on osx 10.6
Jun 22 22:23:11 <Abyssul> Is the Attachments.js used in the email folder also used in messaging attachment handling? Im just trying to alter the framework to change the directory of which MMS audio files are handled
Jun 22 22:23:28 <rwhitby> bejo: that's not the file name - that's some long links thing in tar
Jun 22 22:23:40 <rwhitby> remove the ._ after the slash and it's correct
Jun 22 22:24:18 <rwhitby> bejo: I'm using gnutar 1.22 from macports
Jun 22 22:25:15 <bejo> rwhitby: tar (GNU tar) 1.17
Jun 22 22:25:41 <bejo> rwhitby: i guess, i'll just install the one from macports
Jun 22 22:25:55 <rwhitby> bejo: that's what the wiki page says to do, BTW ...
Jun 22 22:26:46 <rwhitby> older versions don't delete and replace correctly
Jun 22 22:26:56 <Tibfib> rwhitby: is there a way to hide a supported app in Save/Restore if the user doesn't have it installed?
Jun 22 22:27:22 <rwhitby> Tibfib: no.
Jun 22 22:27:29 <bejo> rwhitby: ture, but it also says to install wget, which I don't really need :) it should probably say to install gnutar 1.22 or higher
Jun 22 22:27:42 <rwhitby> bejo: it's a wiki ... ;)
Jun 22 22:28:06 <rwhitby> Tibfib: and we're planning to make those items clickable to install the package
Jun 22 22:28:16 <Tibfib> rwhitby: mmkay, I'll wait a little before making the script for my currently-in-closed-beta app
Jun 22 22:28:19 <bejo> rwhitby: got it :) thank you for your time! :)
Jun 22 23:12:07 <mdordal2> what the hell
Jun 22 23:12:20 <mdordal2> I think I got around my previous error through sheer persistence
Jun 22 23:13:02 <dtzWill> mdordal2: add that to the wiki so others can benefit? :):)
Jun 22 23:13:18 <Tman> ehe, what error were you getting?
Jun 22 23:13:24 <mdordal2> several
Jun 22 23:13:36 <mdordal2> there was some python thing
Jun 22 23:13:40 <mdordal2> a qemu assertion
Jun 22 23:13:55 <mdordal2> every time i rean 'make stage' it failed in new and exciting ways
Jun 22 23:14:01 <Tman> lol.
Jun 22 23:14:23 <zsoc> Yeah, I experienced that
Jun 22 23:14:28 <zsoc> mdordal2: it's pretty much your CPU
Jun 22 23:14:39 <zsoc> I have this issue building GLib, it works 1 out of 4 times
Jun 22 23:15:06 <Mousey> memtester
Jun 22 23:15:56 <zsoc> memristors
Jun 22 23:16:32 * Tman has AGAR building in WIDK.. should it be in the tree?
Jun 22 23:16:46 <dtzWill> Tman: does it work properly?
Jun 22 23:16:49 <Tman> It's somewhat hefty.. builds in 3 minutes on my i5
Jun 22 23:17:00 <Tman> dtzWill: well I'm about to test that ;)
Jun 22 23:17:14 <Tman> but I do have my app building with it and calling the init functions without errors
Jun 22 23:17:17 <dtzWill> Tman: i don't know that that's a concern, but make sure it works before throwing it in (or put it in /nonworking)
Jun 22 23:17:45 <dtzWill> Tman: does it not ship with some testing apps, showing off its widgets?
Jun 22 23:18:14 <dtzWill> ah yes looking at their website i remember. they have a few, right? some spreadsheety one, etc
Jun 22 23:18:39 <Tman> hmm I dunno, I didn't see anything referring to test apps in configure
Jun 22 23:18:46 <Tman> ah, demos
Jun 22 23:19:52 <Tman> you have to build them separately
Jun 22 23:20:40 <dtzWill> yeppers. if it works ship it into the tree, if not and you wanna play with it throw it on /nonworking
Jun 22 23:20:58 <Tman> dtzWill: how are we defining "works" exactly? :p
Jun 22 23:21:28 <dtzWill> Tman: good question. is it something that if someone saw "hey that have agar working" that they could use in any capacity?
Jun 22 23:21:36 <dtzWill> i guess? :)
Jun 22 23:21:37 <Tman> the demos built just fine
Jun 22 23:21:51 <rwhitby> Tman: you can defend the stance that it compiled and ran when built on your machine, and your machine is not too different from the specs we require :)
Jun 22 23:22:17 <zsoc> wait, did someone say agar
Jun 22 23:22:20 <Tman> ehe. ok I'm going to make a widget in my app, and if it displays correctly without wrong colors, I'm going to say it works :p
Jun 22 23:22:23 <zsoc> Agar as in the widget toolset for SDL?
Jun 22 23:22:28 <Tman> zsoc: yep
Jun 22 23:22:33 <zsoc> awesome
Jun 22 23:22:35 <dtzWill> why is everyone excited this tiem around :(
Jun 22 23:22:36 <dtzWill> haha
Jun 22 23:22:38 <Tman> rwhitby: great :)
Jun 22 23:22:45 <zsoc> dtzWill: oh i didn't see you mention it before :(
Jun 22 23:22:51 * dtzWill jealous
Jun 22 23:22:57 <dtzWill> nah idk maybe i had some issue lol
Jun 22 23:23:02 <zsoc> dtzWill: i love you most
Jun 22 23:23:03 <Tman> yeah dtzWill kinda gave me the idea to use agar in the first place :p
Jun 22 23:23:19 <dtzWill> zsoc: i'm good, it's fine. anyway widgets are awesome.
Jun 22 23:23:27 <zsoc> hehe
Jun 22 23:23:31 <dtzWill> Tman: hehe glad it seems to work. hopefully it renders properly
Jun 22 23:24:16 <Tman> the only thing with agar is it can depend on a lot of things, like freetype and jpeg.. so anyone wanting to include it with their app would have to include those or disable them
Jun 22 23:24:30 <zsoc> that's probably ok, those are tiny libs anyway
Jun 22 23:24:44 <dtzWill> Tman: doesn't the pre ship with both of those?
Jun 22 23:24:49 <Tman> I think best practice for the tree is to leave everything enabled, for my app I'm trying to keep it slim so I'm disabling things
Jun 22 23:24:59 <zsoc> dtzWill: probably couldn't link them for pdk usage
Jun 22 23:25:08 <dtzWill> zsoc: :(
Jun 22 23:25:17 <Tman> what zsoc said
Jun 22 23:25:48 <Tman> at least not after the next update is released
Jun 22 23:26:14 <zsoc> although ben mentioned wanting to get certain persistent ubiquitous libs whitelisted
Jun 22 23:26:38 <Tman> that would be good
Jun 22 23:26:52 <Tman> I want to know how this "jail" is going to be set up...
Jun 22 23:27:03 <zsoc> Tman: it's going to be set up exactly the way it is now
Jun 22 23:27:18 <Tman> ..except...
Jun 22 23:27:23 <zsoc> you will have /access/ to those libs, but they have a piece of software that makes sure you don't link non-whitelisted libs when you submit your app
Jun 22 23:27:26 <rwhitby> Tman: when it's out from NDA, it'll be pretty clear ...
Jun 22 23:27:27 <zsoc> and they will just reject it
Jun 22 23:27:37 <Tman> alright
Jun 22 23:27:38 <zsoc> rwhitby: that was said in a public forum by devrel
Jun 22 23:27:52 <Tman> rwhitby: yes I'm being careful :)
Jun 22 23:28:55 <Tman> something made it sound like they were going to be isolated from the rest of the system somehow.. like a chroot deal or something
Jun 22 23:29:03 <Tman> but maybe that was my imagination
Jun 22 23:31:05 <rwhitby> Tman: the developer day videos make mention of a chroot jail
Jun 22 23:31:59 <Tman> yeah.. I just hope that doesn't affect my app while it's in testing
Jun 22 23:32:34 <zsoc> Tman: what app? the visualizer?
Jun 22 23:33:01 <Tman> real-time analyzer
Jun 22 23:34:32 <Hyperian> anyone know of an irc app that doesnt use qchat?
Jun 22 23:35:53 <zsoc> what is qchat
Jun 22 23:36:12 <rwhitby> Hyperian: wIRC
Jun 22 23:36:36 <Hyperian> i found this pound IRC app but it needs servers with qchat to work
Jun 22 23:36:43 <Hyperian> qchat is javachat of some sort
Jun 22 23:36:46 <rwhitby> Tman: do you use type:game, or do you use an upstart script to start your service?
Jun 22 23:36:47 <zsoc> Hyperian: oh yeah, don't use that, use wIRC
Jun 22 23:36:51 <Hyperian> ok
Jun 22 23:37:15 <Tman> rwhitby: type:game. there's no service, it's a self-contained app
Jun 22 23:37:29 <rwhitby> Tman: you're at Palm's mercy then with type:game
Jun 22 23:37:37 <Tman> yeah
Jun 22 23:38:02 <Tman> so I'll have to use upstart as an alternative then?
Jun 22 23:38:18 <Hyperian> mmm
Jun 22 23:38:21 <Hyperian> where can i find wirc?
Jun 22 23:38:28 <rwhitby> Preware
Jun 22 23:38:49 <zsoc> One wonders how someone ends up in here without knowing about Preware
Jun 22 23:39:04 <Hyperian> ok
Jun 22 23:39:15 <rwhitby> zsoc: we have a slack PR manager
Jun 22 23:39:22 <zsoc> rwhitby: lets fire him
Jun 22 23:39:27 <zsoc> he's not worth what we pay him, clearly
Jun 22 23:39:43 <rwhitby> zsoc: I thought our PR manager was a her  ...
Jun 22 23:40:08 <zsoc> Oh, well then we just need to get the whip out
Jun 22 23:40:27 * rwhitby exits that conversation
Jun 22 23:40:57 <Hyperian> thx for the help
Jun 22 23:41:08 <jhowirc> what are you people talking about. I'm scared =)
Jun 22 23:41:14 <zsoc> (Please note, the comments, feelings, or depictions of misogyny by zsoc does not necessarily represent the viewpoint of WebOS Internals)
Jun 23 00:01:48 <mdordal2> huh. I can build doom.
Jun 23 00:02:16 <bpadalino> congrats
Jun 23 00:03:04 <mdordal2> terrifying.
Jun 23 00:03:20 <bpadalino> why?
Jun 23 00:05:11 <mdordal2> I ran into build errors with the WIDK that were defeated through persistence
Jun 23 00:05:19 <mdordal2> i.e. trying again until it succeeded
Jun 23 00:05:30 <bpadalino> if at first you don't succeed
Jun 23 00:25:33 <swinokur> hey all - i'm trying to figure out how to get the call log into excel - I see the python code here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File to get the call log to RDF
Jun 23 00:25:40 <swinokur> but I'm stumped at that point
Jun 23 00:26:26 <swinokur> (or if there's a way to go directly from the database to excel, that'd be okay too :) )
Jun 23 00:27:39 <rwhitby> mdordal2: what host OS and processor type are you running, and is it on a PAE kernel or other virtualisation?
Jun 23 00:58:23 <Robi_> hmm wouldn't the netstat daemon be more efficient with rrd than with sql?
Jun 23 00:59:41 <Robi_> odd i'm not seeing any updated in preware lately, something's wrong
Jun 23 01:00:54 <BeeRad> I was going to test different kernels....I had UK 1.4.1-46 installed, went to F105, uninstalled, installed clean kernel, wanted to go back to F105...now it won't take.
Jun 23 01:01:15 <BeeRad> I screwed up somewhere. Is it time to Doctor?
Jun 23 01:03:00 <Robi_> i dont even see F105 hmm
Jun 23 01:06:30 <rwhitby> BeeRad: should work fine
Jun 23 01:06:53 <rwhitby> BeeRad: latest recovery kernels will remove f105 cleanly too
Jun 23 01:07:24 <BeeRad> Well now dangit man....I knew that I was doing it correctly and trying to be all responsible n stuff and its not working.
Jun 23 01:07:52 <Robi_> wow zcorder has issues keeping up.. jittery recordings at low settings
Jun 23 01:08:25 <BeeRad> Unistall F105, install clean Palm kernel, then went to install F105 again and its NOT running at 1.05GHz and Govnah is confirming that.
Jun 23 01:08:31 <BeeRad> rwhitby:
Jun 23 01:10:31 <palmpreuser1001> Hello?
Jun 23 01:10:38 <rwhitby> BeeRad: is a govnah profile overriding it?
Jun 23 01:10:38 <bpadalino> hi
Jun 23 01:11:31 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Its staying at 500Mhz though. I have no profile that uses 500. Plus, its not showing temp at all.
Jun 23 01:11:47 <Robi_> hm i'm not running out of space.. rootfs at 93%
Jun 23 01:11:59 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Im trying Warthog.
Jun 23 01:12:04 <palmpreuser1001> Hey I wonder if govnah is set to run the same profile as last when I closed it and when the phone is reboot
Jun 23 01:13:49 <palmpreuser1001> It seems whenever I reboot the phone I go to govnah it was screenstate 125-800mhz when I left it
Jun 23 01:14:18 <palmpreuser1001> It it still 125-800 no change since. Is that normal?
Jun 23 01:14:55 <palmpreuser1001> Hullo?
Jun 23 01:16:28 <palmpreuser1001> Rwhitby: how do I register my nick on wIRC?
Jun 23 01:17:36 <zsoc> i don't think screenstate supports 125
Jun 23 01:18:48 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc: what do you mean?
Jun 23 01:19:02 <zsoc> i think it only supports 500 for minimum
Jun 23 01:20:41 <palmpreuser1001> Nobody said anything of this
Jun 23 01:21:01 <zsoc> clearly you are owed an apology
Jun 23 01:21:37 <palmpreuser1001> Ok..?
Jun 23 01:22:18 <zsoc> well you're not going to get it from me, i'm just the messenger
Jun 23 01:22:24 <zsoc> oil: apologize to this man
Jun 23 01:22:53 * uNiXpSyChO is sensing a lying user
Jun 23 01:23:09 <palmpreuser1001> Uberkernel and Govnah go together like horse and carraige.. I believe it works.. It's hard to tell because I have the seido extended battery on this so Idk
Jun 23 01:25:07 <palmpreuser1001> With screenstate and extended battery I went the whole frickin day without a single charge not to mention I had bluetooth on all that time.
Jun 23 01:27:35 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: yeah they are pretty magical
Jun 23 01:27:42 <zsoc> i mean, it's the culmination of a ton of work by a lot of people
Jun 23 01:28:18 * BeeRad is frustrated
Jun 23 01:29:33 <palmpreuser1001> On another subject I wonder if it's possible to port android to palm pre.. Reason: I don't want to buy the htc evo lol
Jun 23 01:30:01 <BeeRad> Curse you.
Jun 23 01:31:03 <palmpreuser1001> Besides the most used app hasn't been developed yet for palm pre.. SiP and VOIP and GoogleVoice
Jun 23 01:32:13 <palmpreuser1001> I need to have full functioning client like they have on android..it sucks that it only exist on android
Jun 23 01:32:23 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: sip is coming
Jun 23 01:32:23 * uNiXpSyChO just bit his tongue off
Jun 23 01:32:26 <zsoc> GVoice is up to google
Jun 23 01:32:40 <zsoc> gvoice doesn't support sip right now anyway
Jun 23 01:33:07 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO: lol
Jun 23 01:35:59 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc: are you kidding me? Go on any android device and look up in the app store for 3CX n install it.. All you need is follow instructions using your google user n pass.. It works. Call out or receive calls for free.. I tested it and it works.
Jun 23 01:36:16 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: that is interesting to know, thank you
Jun 23 01:36:24 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: so /any/ sip client would suppose gvoice then?
Jun 23 01:36:26 <palmpreuser1001> You gotta have a google number
Jun 23 01:36:32 <zsoc> because it's /possible/ such a thing is in development
Jun 23 01:36:38 <zsoc> s/suppose/support/
Jun 23 01:37:18 <palmpreuser1001> Right :-)
Jun 23 01:38:05 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO: Need your kernel wisdom. And no, I'm not complaining. Trying to understand.
Jun 23 01:38:17 <palmpreuser1001> Imagine not having sprint coverage where I'm located but near wifi I can still make calls through my google nbr
Jun 23 01:38:20 <uNiXpSyChO> reboot
Jun 23 01:38:53 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO: That the default answer? lol
Jun 23 01:39:12 <rwhitby> BeeRad: my default is doctor
Jun 23 01:39:20 <palmpreuser1001> Or received calls via evdo.
Jun 23 01:39:23 <uNiXpSyChO> of course!  ;-)  i tell all my users that... for ast least 15+ years
Jun 23 01:39:54 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc: where are your sources? How soon is Sip coming and when?
Jun 23 01:41:01 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: it's possible i'm making one, secretly
Jun 23 01:41:18 <rwhitby> BeeRad: do you happen to have the device plugged in?
Jun 23 01:41:25 <rwhitby> zsoc: you too?
Jun 23 01:41:42 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Jun 23 01:42:03 <zsoc> rwhitby: seems like the thing to do these days
Jun 23 01:42:04 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc: lol dude you are gonna kill me...for making me ask you this: Can I become your alphabeta tester?
Jun 23 01:42:05 <rwhitby> zsoc: that would make three I've counted
Jun 23 01:42:08 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I figured that as much. I wanted to know if there was anything else to try. Something got fracked up. Uninstall and clean kernel isnt doing anything. When I got to reinstall F105, its not taking.
Jun 23 01:42:17 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: no. because i am mean and evil.
Jun 23 01:42:31 <uNiXpSyChO> nooooo.  dont use that word!!!! frak??!?!
Jun 23 01:42:37 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I have my phone plugged in yes, just to charge. (in PC).
Jun 23 01:42:57 <rwhitby> BeeRad: and you know about screenstate and charging, right?
Jun 23 01:42:57 <Robi_> can anyone remember any updates preware had for apps today?
Jun 23 01:43:11 <Robi_> or in the last 3 days for that matter?
Jun 23 01:43:22 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad: why do you think its not taking?
Jun 23 01:43:29 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO: Frack withdrawn.
Jun 23 01:43:32 <sbromwich> Robi_: PreDots Convert Govnah
Jun 23 01:43:36 <BeeRad> Ok, listen.....
Jun 23 01:43:47 <palmpreuser1001> zsoc: I can be mean evil too
Jun 23 01:44:01 <palmpreuser1001> look at my background 5years jailtime for burgulary and battery lol
Jun 23 01:44:25 <palmpreuser1001> And 2 time felony lol
Jun 23 01:44:32 <BeeRad> 1- When the device is NOT plugged in....it never sees 1.05GHz. 2- I can FEEL that its not running at 1.05 GHz. 3- The temps not even showing up in Govnah after install.
Jun 23 01:44:32 <Robi_> sbromwich: thanks, i'm not seeing any updates for a while now :<
Jun 23 01:44:39 <Robi_> perhaps its time for a reboot
Jun 23 01:45:10 <rwhitby> Robi_: did you change downloads to manual or anything?
Jun 23 01:45:11 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: i'm not sure you should be sharing that
Jun 23 01:45:33 <sbromwich> Robi_: "Vuvuzela Pro" deom 6/23/10 12:59AM is the latest I have
Jun 23 01:45:47 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad: have you looked at things vi the CLI to see if it touches certain CPU speeds?
Jun 23 01:45:59 <uNiXpSyChO> s/vi/via
Jun 23 01:46:01 <BeeRad> If you guys really feel that I shouldnt be in the Alpha testing stuff, I'll quit right now. No biggie to me.
Jun 23 01:46:20 <rwhitby> BeeRad: I don't think anyone has said that.
Jun 23 01:46:31 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc: show me a screenshot of your work so I know u're not bshittiing me man. I don't believe this.. lol
Jun 23 01:46:32 <Robi_> rwhitby: hah, you are right, the setting was toggled. so I must have done it.
Jun 23 01:47:04 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc: you funny lol
Jun 23 01:47:24 <zsoc> I don't particularly care if you believe me, and yes i'm quite funny.
Jun 23 01:47:30 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I wasnt getting an attitude. lol Just saying that Im trying things and I may not know how to fix problems that I may not see. I dont want to waste anybodys time.
Jun 23 01:47:46 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO: No, I havent checked the CL.
Jun 23 01:47:49 <Robi_> the scanning process looks like the feeds are updating too
Jun 23 01:47:59 <Kyusaku> test at your own risk
Jun 23 01:48:12 * Robi_ feels silly now
Jun 23 01:48:39 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state
Jun 23 01:49:09 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc is creating a false rumor about how he is developing some secret app so called SIP client ..that is funny! LoL
Jun 23 01:50:01 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: please don't beat me up
Jun 23 01:50:02 <palmpreuser1001> At least we all know where it began lol
Jun 23 01:50:36 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO: I need to try the install again, then I will go to the CL.
Jun 23 01:50:38 <rwhitby> yeah, zsoc knows nothing about the multimedia subsystems on the Pre, so you shouldn't believe anything he says
Jun 23 01:50:40 <Kyusaku> if there's an app people want zsoc is probably making it
Jun 23 01:51:04 <zsoc> I think this is a test. Someone is testing my troll defenses.
Jun 23 01:51:10 <palmpreuser1001> *evil grin I WILL if I have to. Heehehehebawwhahahahawhawhaw!!!
Jun 23 01:51:11 * uNiXpSyChO zsoc is a n00b
Jun 23 01:51:16 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 23 01:51:30 <rwhitby> zsoc is a WHE-n00b
Jun 23 01:51:40 <rwhitby> and a MAID
Jun 23 01:51:44 <BeeRad> I want a network speedtest app!! (i.e. SpeedTest.net app)
Jun 23 01:51:56 <zsoc> BeeRad: good idea
Jun 23 01:52:09 <zsoc> i could actually do one with a pretty spinning interface
Jun 23 01:52:44 <BeeRad> Im being serious though. :|
Jun 23 01:53:05 <palmpreuser1001> Unixpsycho that's for pointin that out.. Hey ur the greatest.. Mad props 2 you!
Jun 23 01:53:22 <zsoc> BeeRad: me too
Jun 23 01:53:23 <palmpreuser1001> *thanks
Jun 23 01:53:31 <zsoc> You have to be kidding
Jun 23 01:53:35 * uNiXpSyChO knows nothing about computers.  i'm a n00b
Jun 23 01:53:38 <Robi_> BeeRad: just do some tethering and run speedtests all you like
Jun 23 01:53:40 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: are you trolling me or am i trolling you? I can't figure this out.
Jun 23 01:53:49 <Kyusaku> everyone loves pinwheels
Jun 23 01:54:04 * uNiXpSyChO likes teddybears
Jun 23 01:54:11 <Robi_> uNiXpSyChO: can you elaborate on your naming strategy with your kernels?
Jun 23 01:54:28 <zsoc> 1.) does it have something to do with starwars? 2.) that's it
Jun 23 01:54:40 <rwhitby> zsoc: heh, you're out of date
Jun 23 01:54:52 <zsoc> oh :(
Jun 23 01:54:56 <zsoc> well i haven't been absent
Jun 23 01:55:03 <uNiXpSyChO> Robi_: uh?  they are all war planes?
Jun 23 01:55:50 * BeeRad says the Eagle flies at noon on a salty Tuesday.
Jun 23 01:56:37 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc: Okay trolling um.. You're the fish and I got the bait..does that make any sense
Jun 23 01:56:49 <palmpreuser1001> ?
Jun 23 01:56:59 <rwhitby> hmm - govnah needs a way to delete the current sticky
Jun 23 01:57:05 <zsoc> I can't do it.
Jun 23 01:57:14 <zsoc> God forgive me.
Jun 23 01:57:18 <Robi_> uNiXpSyChO: got it. i had a different theme in mind
Jun 23 01:57:21 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: how do i delete a profile in govnah?
Jun 23 01:57:27 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: swipe
Jun 23 01:57:34 <palmpreuser1001> Oh boy
Jun 23 01:57:40 <uNiXpSyChO> Robi_: which theme?  biological warfare?
Jun 23 01:57:55 <BeeRad> Thank God.
Jun 23 01:57:57 <Robi_> uNiXpSyChO: haha no, gaming related
Jun 23 01:57:58 <zsoc> ah, i feel better now.
Jun 23 01:58:04 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: oh dear.  i feel like a total n00b now.
Jun 23 01:58:14 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: one just left
Jun 23 01:58:20 <Robi_> ya swipe to del is pretty webOS basic ;]
Jun 23 01:58:22 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: want me to get him back for you?
Jun 23 01:58:41 <uNiXpSyChO> too late
Jun 23 01:58:42 <palmpreuser1001> Huh?
Jun 23 01:58:47 <Robi_> rwhitby: so sweet
Jun 23 01:58:58 <Kyusaku> uNiXpSyChO has been spending too much time on the other side of WebOS
Jun 23 01:58:58 <uNiXpSyChO> Robi_: which game?
Jun 23 01:59:02 * BeeRad is in disbelief
Jun 23 01:59:15 <rwhitby> palmpreuser1001: it seems that uNiXpSyChO has a desire for you
Jun 23 01:59:19 <uNiXpSyChO> Kyusaku: that's true.  lol
Jun 23 01:59:42 <Robi_> uNiXpSyChO: its not one per se, but multiple sources arose, hence it was interesting. your answer is much simpler.
Jun 23 01:59:47 * BeeRad is doing a clean kernel install....again. 
Jun 23 01:59:57 <palmpreuser1001> Hello did you miss me? Oh wow a secret admirer? For me? No...really?!!!
Jun 23 02:00:29 <uNiXpSyChO> Robi_: now you got me curious... as i'm a hardcore Xbox player.  that is when i'm not destroying kernels.
Jun 23 02:01:01 <palmpreuser1001> Ugh Xbox sucks
Jun 23 02:01:15 <palmpreuser1001> PS3 FTW
Jun 23 02:01:25 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: there you go, PS3 is awesome
Jun 23 02:01:35 * uNiXpSyChO senses a gentoo user in the channel
Jun 23 02:02:10 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc: do you have call of duty?
Jun 23 02:02:37 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: nah, i don't have time to play online games a lot, although i love ModNation
Jun 23 02:03:00 <BeeRad> zsoc: loves kittens and rainbows too. True story.
Jun 23 02:03:03 <palmpreuser1001> Zsoc: what's your rank in that game?
Jun 23 02:03:25 <oil> lol
Jun 23 02:03:47 <zsoc> palmpreuser1001: xp level is like 22, but that is only how much you play not how good you are lol, i don't recall my world rank
Jun 23 02:03:56 <Robi_> uNiXpSyChO: sadly I have a poorly used xbox360 i refurbed for rrod just sitting
Jun 23 02:04:08 <palmpreuser1001> I love playing COD mor than anything.Hell.. It's better than sex
Jun 23 02:05:01 * uNiXpSyChO laughs at wannabe soldiers.
Jun 23 02:05:21 <rwhitby> well, better than it during 5 years jailtime I expect
Jun 23 02:05:29 <bpadalino> heh
Jun 23 02:06:03 <palmpreuser1001> Last night I caught my wife talkn to some dude on the phone n heard her said "fuck him he always on and never gives up on his playstation"
Jun 23 02:06:34 <palmpreuser1001> Hell if I care
Jun 23 02:06:59 <palmpreuser1001> Rwhitby: I don't care lol
Jun 23 02:07:06 <Robi_> b e a utiful.
Jun 23 02:07:19 <uNiXpSyChO> oh dear
Jun 23 02:07:26 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO: clean kernel - 600000 - 0, 55000 - 4664, 500000 - 41591, 250000 - 0, 125000 - 0 Look right?
Jun 23 02:07:35 <rwhitby> BeeRad: yep
Jun 23 02:07:50 <uNiXpSyChO> for the stock kernel, sure
Jun 23 02:07:54 <rwhitby> BeeRad: unless you've played any 3D stuff
Jun 23 02:07:57 <BeeRad> Ok.
Jun 23 02:08:01 <BeeRad> Nope. Clean install.
Jun 23 02:08:08 <BeeRad> Going for F105 now...
Jun 23 02:08:11 <rwhitby> BeeRad: check in /var/palm/event.d/ for upstart scripts first
Jun 23 02:08:19 <uNiXpSyChO> hit the afterburner
Jun 23 02:08:25 <BeeRad> ok. lol
Jun 23 02:08:59 <BeeRad> What part of that actually goes into the CL? LOL Sorry....
Jun 23 02:09:17 <rwhitby> ls -l /var/palm/event.d/
Jun 23 02:10:08 <Robi_> uNiXpSyChO: any differentiation on Pre hw versions to worry about with the F105 kernel?
Jun 23 02:10:56 <uNiXpSyChO> Robi_: have no idea yet.  doesnt seem to be yet.
Jun 23 02:11:31 <BeeRad> I really dont like that I cant copy/paste from or to the CL. grrr....
Jun 23 02:12:03 <Robi_> uNiXpSyChO: how is undervolting going to play into the equation?
Jun 23 02:12:20 * BeeRad admits his nOObdom. :(
Jun 23 02:12:31 <uNiXpSyChO> Robi_: save battery... maybe some heat...
Jun 23 02:13:35 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I really dont know what Im looking at here.
Jun 23 02:13:40 <palmpreuser1001> Rwhitby: fyi I never went to jail.. everything I said on here was a joke. Nothing I ever said was real except I own a PS3.. That is all :-)
Jun 23 02:14:13 <rwhitby> People refer to most things I've say here as a joke too ..
Jun 23 02:14:23 <rwhitby> s/I've/I/
Jun 23 02:14:23 <infobot> rwhitby meant: People refer to most things I say here as a joke too ..
Jun 23 02:14:31 <Robi_> uNiXpSyChO: er, yes, let me rephrase, which subsystems will get undervolting, and why wont that have adverse effects? errors etc
Jun 23 02:14:56 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: can you undervolt the screen when it's on the touchstone?  that should be easy to detect.
Jun 23 02:15:10 <palmpreuser1001> Okay bye room.
Jun 23 02:15:31 <Robi_> screen woujld be an excellent choice as its uberbright
Jun 23 02:15:34 <BeeRad> rwhitby: -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           15 Jan  4 13:41 lnsa_marker   -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          109 Jun 22 20:14 org.webosinternals.govnah   -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          571 Jun 22 19:10 org.webosinternals.govnah-compcache   -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2409 Jun  9 09:08 org.webosinternals.ipkgservice   -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          120 Jun 12 23:31 org.webosinternals.saveresto
Jun 23 02:15:42 <Robi_> i run mine at 12%
Jun 23 02:15:45 <palmpreuser1001> Can someone give me a guide or link address how to register my nick for #webos room?
Jun 23 02:15:56 <uNiXpSyChO> i have no idea... i just started.
Jun 23 02:16:07 <rwhitby> palmpreuser1001: freenode.net
Jun 23 02:16:32 <palmpreuser1001> I'm on wIRC from my palm pre do I need to use a computer to register?
Jun 23 02:16:42 <palmpreuser1001> Oh
Jun 23 02:16:51 <Robi_> any temp thresholds to keep in mind? chip limits?
Jun 23 02:17:10 <palmpreuser1001> Huh?
Jun 23 02:17:12 <rwhitby> Robi_: check the warning label on the battery
Jun 23 02:17:23 <palmpreuser1001> Rwhitby: well thanks i'll go to that site
Jun 23 02:18:21 <palmpreuser1001> A /unjoin #webos-internals
Jun 23 02:19:49 <cxreg> "Nothing I ever said was real" # i think my ex told me that too
Jun 23 02:20:23 <uNiXpSyChO> total troll
Jun 23 02:21:50 <zsoc> cxreg: your name seems familiar
Jun 23 02:22:16 <cxreg> zsoc: i've been lurking here a while.  i did the flite compile a while ago.
Jun 23 02:22:28 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO: No way, totally legit.
Jun 23 02:22:31 <cxreg> havent had any time to do pre stuff lately though
Jun 23 02:22:35 <zsoc> hmm, ok
Jun 23 02:23:43 * Robi_ pulls out teh spare battery and cant read the microtext
Jun 23 02:23:46 <BeeRad> zsoc: When can I be expecting that speedtest app? Tomorrow A.M.?
Jun 23 02:24:14 <Robi_> looks like 60C
Jun 23 02:24:32 <zsoc> BeeRad: for $300 I can have a working test version done by tommorow night
Jun 23 02:24:37 <zsoc> BeeRad: otherwise, whenever i feel like it ;)
Jun 23 02:24:46 <Robi_> 140F but that's batt, how much heat can the cpu take?
Jun 23 02:25:09 <BeeRad> $300!!!!???? Yikes...
Jun 23 02:25:20 <BeeRad> $30?
Jun 23 02:25:38 <rwhitby> I would have expected a WHEMAID to charge at least a grand.
Jun 23 02:26:00 <oil> WHEMAID?
Jun 23 02:26:01 <zsoc> rwhitby: for a grand it would be his app when i was done ;)
Jun 23 02:26:13 <cxreg> zsoc: i work with mousey, too
Jun 23 02:26:45 <rwhitby> oil: WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire Most Awesome Icon Designer
Jun 23 02:26:58 <oil> lol
Jun 23 02:26:58 <oc80z> uber 46 whats that?
Jun 23 02:27:02 <BeeRad> rwhitby: LOL
Jun 23 02:27:06 <oc80z> kernel?
Jun 23 02:27:16 <rwhitby> yup
Jun 23 02:27:19 <zsoc> cxreg: ah, right
Jun 23 02:27:52 <oc80z> i ran in to the same issue with my pre, had to doctor again
Jun 23 02:28:05 <oc80z> i want to replicate the battery drain issue
Jun 23 02:29:08 * rwhitby wonders if just writing min and max twice would fix the govnah problem
Jun 23 02:29:28 * Robi_ wonders how A.Stice performs his tests
Jun 23 02:29:50 <rwhitby> let's see.  max is less than current min, write max(fail), write min(pass), write max(pass), write min(pass)
Jun 23 02:30:15 <rwhitby> let's see.  min is more than current max, write max(pass), write min(pass), write max(pass), write min(pass)
Jun 23 02:30:39 <rwhitby> let's see.  max is less than current min, write min(pass), write max(pass), write min(pass), write max(pass)
Jun 23 02:30:54 <valexa> let's see...
Jun 23 02:31:02 <rwhitby> let's see.  min is more than current max, write min(fail), write max(pass), write min(pass), write max(pass)
Jun 23 02:31:23 <rwhitby> anyone see a shortcut?
Jun 23 02:31:33 <valexa> let's see....
Jun 23 02:32:06 <bpadalino> update both min and max on either update to make sure, by contract, min is always <= max
Jun 23 02:33:28 <rwhitby> bpadalino: have to write them twice to make sure though
Jun 23 02:34:00 <rwhitby> e.g. if you write a new max which is less than current min, it fails.  same for new min which is more than current max
Jun 23 02:34:31 <rwhitby> e.g. perf 800/800 to screenstate 500/720 will fail
Jun 23 02:34:40 <Robi_> why can't one avoid the first min write?
Jun 23 02:35:17 <rwhitby> cause something else could have changed it behind the mojo app's back in the meantime
Jun 23 02:35:34 <rwhitby> so the mojo doesn't know the current min or max, just the state at the last pol
Jun 23 02:35:38 <rwhitby> poll
Jun 23 02:35:54 <Robi_> ow http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/android_opens_blinds_on_20_of_app_data.php
Jun 23 02:36:43 <oc80z> yieekes.
Jun 23 02:36:47 <cxreg> rwhitby: so the more/less than current min/max is not something you know at runtime?
Jun 23 02:37:00 <Robi_> rwhitby: but do you really care that something changed it after the initial comparison, until the next comparison?
Jun 23 02:37:27 <rwhitby> Robi_: yes, if I'm going to fix this, I'm going to fix it right
Jun 23 02:37:43 <rwhitby> Robi_: BTW, Preware can do anything that article warns about
Jun 23 02:37:56 <BeeRad> F105 - 1005000 66969   720000 0   600000 0   550000 0   500000 2127   250000 0   125000 0
Jun 23 02:38:15 <uNiXpSyChO> there ya go
Jun 23 02:38:18 <rwhitby> BeeRad: that looks right
Jun 23 02:38:20 <Robi_> rwhitby: yeah any service with root ;-/
Jun 23 02:38:51 <rwhitby> cxreg: I could probably get the service to work that out, but I'm lazy
Jun 23 02:41:35 <BeeRad> Well son of a.....
Jun 23 02:42:08 <BeeRad> Govnah is reporting correctly too now.
Jun 23 02:42:16 <BeeRad> Im happy yet miffed.
Jun 23 02:42:43 <cxreg> anyone know if vzw gps is going to be ungimped ever?
Jun 23 02:43:43 <BeeRad> rwhitby: K Newman is a tool for saying 1.05GHz is unnecessary.
Jun 23 02:44:23 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: is 1.05GHz unnecessary?
Jun 23 02:44:54 * uNiXpSyChO runs away
Jun 23 02:45:21 <rwhitby> one reason why it is necessary is to shut up the people asking for a 1GHz kernel ...
Jun 23 02:45:27 <Robi_> uNiXpSyChO: say yes, because 1.2GHz didn't work
Jun 23 02:45:44 <rwhitby> 1.2 with undervolting will likely work
Jun 23 02:46:00 <uNiXpSyChO> that is true... i should try it
Jun 23 02:46:07 * BeeRad cowers away at rwhitby 's comment. haha
Jun 23 02:46:21 <uNiXpSyChO> then users will ask for 1.6gig
Jun 23 02:47:20 <BeeRad> Does anybody really not feel the difference between 800 and 1.05?
Jun 23 02:47:32 <uNiXpSyChO> yep
Jun 23 02:47:39 <rwhitby> it sure loads preware faster
Jun 23 02:47:52 <rwhitby> and that's the only really important task on a smartphone
Jun 23 02:47:57 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Jun 23 02:48:03 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 23 02:49:32 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: heh, I only just realised that F105 actually doesn't have any other governors compiled in :)
Jun 23 02:49:58 <uNiXpSyChO> tsk tsk... rwhitby doesnt read the OP ;-)
Jun 23 02:51:53 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: I read the "don't argue with me" bit :)
Jun 23 02:52:02 <uNiXpSyChO> hehe
Jun 23 02:54:38 <BeeRad> Dieter wants me to do a video run through of the latest offerings from Internals. I do video work, but Im not confident in my knowledge of all this stuff yet to be talking about it. lol
Jun 23 02:54:57 <uNiXpSyChO> do it
Jun 23 02:55:24 <uNiXpSyChO> Dieter frowned at me for not having as many Pre's as rwhitby.
Jun 23 02:55:58 <oil> ;(
Jun 23 02:56:03 <oil> nobody has that many
Jun 23 02:56:29 <bpadalino> not even palm engineers !
Jun 23 02:56:34 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Jun 23 02:56:37 <oil> not even sprint
Jun 23 02:57:31 <rwhitby> I just realised that we could be running screenstate at 1050, and then change the profile to screenstate 500/720, but the device will still be running at 1050 until the next screen toggle
Jun 23 02:57:37 <rwhitby> that must be confusing for users
Jun 23 02:57:44 <oil> lol
Jun 23 02:58:25 <BeeRad> I dont want to misrepresent this crew. Its pretty cut throat here. I dont want rwhitby nipping at my heels.
Jun 23 02:58:39 <bpadalino> rwhitby is ruthless
Jun 23 02:58:56 <BeeRad> bpadalino: no doubt
Jun 23 02:59:00 <rwhitby> BeeRad: does that explain what you were seeing earlier?
Jun 23 02:59:06 <zsoc> rwhitby: wait, we are supporting 1050?
Jun 23 02:59:29 <BeeRad> rwhitby: It may have been now that you mention it.
Jun 23 02:59:56 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Did I find something again by accident?
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