**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 26 02:59:57 2010 Jun 26 03:29:54 uNiXpSyChO, since when is there 4G in mass? Jun 26 03:40:09 should i upgrade to 10.04 from 9.10? Jun 26 03:40:15 on my work machine Jun 26 03:40:16 yes Jun 26 03:40:30 newegg needs to give me my ati card now Jun 26 03:40:49 and fyi, frys is having a sale on the 5770 right now. 129 after a 20 rebate Jun 26 03:41:02 what tools have you found are better in 10.04? Jun 26 03:41:48 the blue ones Jun 26 03:42:12 lol Jun 26 03:42:18 * halfhalo hasnt loaded up a linux vm in a while since all his computers are on ssd's as of now Jun 26 03:45:41 5 MB/s downloading update - i love my connection at work Jun 26 03:47:03 beelzabub: yeah, 10.04 is pretty nice Jun 26 03:47:59 20% CPU usage on a quad-core downloading @ 5MB/s? WTF - whoever wrote /usr/lib/apt/methods/http needs to be taken out Jun 26 03:49:26 it's very carefully checking every single byte Jun 26 03:49:31 meticulous Jun 26 03:49:48 very carefully Jun 26 03:50:38 ok - let's be generous & say we can only do 80MB/s of throughput through the CPU (which we obviously can since that's what HD's burst at) Jun 26 03:50:45 so a simple electronics question: if i've got a current source driving a 50 ohm load, if i change the load to be 200 ohms, will that just increase the amount of power i can suck from the pin? Jun 26 03:50:51 that would mean it's checking every byte 16 times Jun 26 03:50:54 would i be overdriving the power ? Jun 26 03:50:58 and burn out the driver? Jun 26 03:51:14 i can't seem to find a maximum power output of this pin Jun 26 03:51:40 well, the voltage will increase Jun 26 03:52:00 so presumably the power will as well Jun 26 03:52:20 it's been a while since i took my ee courses Jun 26 03:52:46 yeah but i can't just throw down a 1MOhm resistor and call it a day .. the driver has to be current limited as to how much resistance it can drive, right Jun 26 03:53:16 moreover, i'd guess for maximum power transfer there should be a matching load .. right ? Jun 26 03:53:25 that's already above my head Jun 26 03:53:29 alrighty Jun 26 03:53:30 i really hate electronics Jun 26 03:53:34 heh Jun 26 03:53:47 but the positive holes are moving all over the place Jun 26 03:53:48 it's a weakness of mine - i'll go out of my way to not understand that stuff Jun 26 03:53:54 oh yeah ? Jun 26 03:53:59 well, not quite that extreme Jun 26 03:54:02 so when it comes to dB's you're just outta there? Jun 26 03:54:02 but pretty much Jun 26 03:54:13 ironically both in SW & HW :D Jun 26 03:54:21 i understand the concepts Jun 26 03:54:32 like the 1000ft view Jun 26 03:54:45 i just can't stand that stuff Jun 26 03:54:49 interesting Jun 26 03:54:53 i don't like topics where you need to have a feel for it Jun 26 03:55:01 i like my 0's & 1's Jun 26 03:55:09 0's and 1's are nice Jun 26 03:55:14 very digital Jun 26 03:55:19 how about stuff like galois fields ? Jun 26 03:55:28 that's magnetics right? Jun 26 03:55:29 they're all 0's and 1's Jun 26 03:55:44 nah, finite fields or rings for abstract algebra Jun 26 03:55:48 nope Jun 26 03:55:55 used for cryptography or forward error correction Jun 26 03:55:56 not a fan of math anymore either Jun 26 03:56:02 it's really useful in CS Jun 26 03:56:10 & i really appreciate the work those people do Jun 26 03:56:17 i'm more an infrastructure guy Jun 26 03:56:27 i like doing architecture Jun 26 03:56:33 i gotcha .. you do the real work .. not the theoretical stuff Jun 26 03:56:44 how systems communicate and whatnot? Jun 26 03:56:46 architecture...ya, thats the fun stuff. Jun 26 03:57:19 more than that Jun 26 03:57:31 like i'll sometimes go & watch a bunch of google talks Jun 26 03:58:02 cause those guys work on some pretty cool projects Jun 26 03:59:14 they definitely do Jun 26 03:59:22 i like how they film the talks and upload them to youtube Jun 26 03:59:24 very nice Jun 26 03:59:28 that is Jun 26 03:59:34 i mean it's very common here at work too Jun 26 03:59:38 we just don't publish them Jun 26 03:59:50 i honestly think we should just like google Jun 26 03:59:58 at least once we announce these things Jun 26 04:03:04 you do? that's really nice Jun 26 04:03:08 we don't do anything like that at work Jun 26 04:03:12 i kinda wish we did Jun 26 04:03:21 most of the "talks" we have are too fluffy Jun 26 04:03:26 not enough real meat Jun 26 04:03:36 yeah, like if we have a knew library, framework, etc Jun 26 04:03:45 so that we get people aware of it & how to use it Jun 26 04:03:57 & if we are solving some complex problem the approach that was taken Jun 26 04:04:05 so that we can get feedback & explain our decisions Jun 26 04:04:14 you mean - share and communicate??? !!! but ..what about job security?! Jun 26 04:04:50 how does that get affected? Jun 26 04:05:01 you mean in terms of being the only one who knows how to do something? Jun 26 04:05:19 it was mostly but yes .. Jun 26 04:05:25 if you teach everyone how to fish .. Jun 26 04:05:36 it seems like you can't charge nearly as much for some carp Jun 26 04:05:53 meh - the people doing this you don't want to lose anyways Jun 26 04:06:13 i mean it's an eventuality you should always plan for Jun 26 04:06:20 vacation or the person leaves same thing Jun 26 04:06:33 that's why only opensource that has a large bus factor ever succeeds Jun 26 04:07:58 i joke with some friends i go to lunch with sometimes as we cross the street to get to a car .. Jun 26 04:08:08 lol Jun 26 04:08:18 i didn't think about that - applies here too Jun 26 04:08:19 that we need more spatial and time diversity so we don't all get run over at the same time Jun 26 04:08:37 (we're wireless comms signals in space guys) Jun 26 04:08:39 well actually, if that happens it's going to mean other people will get serious raises :D Jun 26 04:08:45 heh Jun 26 04:09:00 we need some meatspace alamouti encoding on our lunch outings Jun 26 04:09:23 that reference is probably way too nerdy Jun 26 04:09:36 but either way, we play with fate every thursday for lunch :) Jun 26 04:09:59 we like to live more on the edge here - we J-walk too, so the odds are probably even worse :D Jun 26 04:10:12 hehe, nice Jun 26 04:10:36 the sad part is that we actually have had people get hit crossing the street by us Jun 26 04:10:42 it's all pretty terrible Jun 26 04:10:57 you have the worst drivers in the country. Jun 26 04:10:59 one was even hit by another coworker! Jun 26 04:11:04 lol - the office Jun 26 04:11:06 live it Jun 26 04:11:12 who was well aware of the crosswalk there Jun 26 04:11:33 they speed up when they see a pedestrian. Jun 26 04:11:38 haha Jun 26 04:12:13 i see a nice car driving down the road and i jump in front of them trying to cash in on some insurance money Jun 26 04:12:19 always jump out of the way for cheap cars Jun 26 04:12:26 sucker - i drive a nice car without insurance Jun 26 04:12:30 suck on that Jun 26 04:12:41 i guess i'll just bleed on your car :( Jun 26 04:12:56 it's ok - i've found a trick on how to get it out Jun 26 04:13:06 necessity is the mother of invention Jun 26 04:13:07 :P Jun 26 04:13:09 do you drive a nice car ? Jun 26 04:13:31 somewhat - S200 Jun 26 04:13:33 S000 Jun 26 04:13:38 wow - S2000 Jun 26 04:13:47 oh, sporty Jun 26 04:13:51 yup Jun 26 04:14:07 convertible ? Jun 26 04:14:12 yup Jun 26 04:14:22 nice Jun 26 04:14:39 i rented a convertible when i drove up 1 and 101 from SF to SEA Jun 26 04:14:48 very fun drive Jun 26 04:15:11 I like the drive from SLO to Monterey on the coat. Jun 26 04:15:18 s/coat/coast Jun 26 04:15:22 but here on the east coast, awd is the better feature to have versus a drop top Jun 26 04:15:31 yup Jun 26 04:15:37 but you can have both Jun 26 04:15:56 who makes an awd convertible ? Jun 26 04:16:04 the 911 is awd afaik Jun 26 04:16:20 on model is. Jun 26 04:16:23 one Jun 26 04:16:27 oh yeah, neat! Jun 26 04:16:37 if the audi TT comes in convertible, it's probably also awd Jun 26 04:16:39 i guess when you're all audi'd up .. Jun 26 04:16:43 true Jun 26 04:16:54 same if subaru makes a convertible probably Jun 26 04:16:58 i liked my a4 awd better than this 3 series one :( Jun 26 04:17:14 i can't think of any subaru convertibles Jun 26 04:17:33 but you're right with the tt, i guess a4, the 911 .. Jun 26 04:17:34 oh - does the evo come as a convertible? Jun 26 04:17:40 good question Jun 26 04:18:23 can't seem to find one quickly Jun 26 04:19:05 http://www.car-forums.com/s9/t19419.html Jun 26 04:19:11 seems like we're not the first :) Jun 26 04:19:30 ah nice Jun 26 04:19:31 top gear is starting another this weekend Jun 26 04:19:37 convertible sports car is silly imo Jun 26 04:19:41 oh, so one last question before i hit the sack .. Jun 26 04:19:42 s/another/another season Jun 26 04:19:48 on a completely unrelated topic Jun 26 04:19:54 shoot Jun 26 04:19:56 did you know there is an external PCIe spec? Jun 26 04:20:01 yes Jun 26 04:20:11 it's what cardbus uses i believe Jun 26 04:20:22 or whatever expansion slot PC laptops use Jun 26 04:20:22 well, cardbus is still considered internal Jun 26 04:20:27 expresscard Jun 26 04:20:30 right Jun 26 04:20:37 it's an x1 deali Jun 26 04:20:37 e Jun 26 04:20:52 but you can get retrans cards .. Jun 26 04:21:00 to make an x16 slot into a cabled thing Jun 26 04:21:04 run it over to a backplane Jun 26 04:21:05 weird Jun 26 04:21:13 and run some crazy GPU all external Jun 26 04:22:05 blew my mind when i found this stuff: http://www.onestopsystems.com/pcie_expansion_kits.php Jun 26 04:23:39 anyway, bed time for me .. night Jun 26 04:23:51 night Jun 26 04:24:08 beelzabub S2000 huh? nice Jun 26 04:24:28 I wish there had been a hardtop only model Jun 26 04:24:38 you can make it a hardtop Jun 26 04:24:44 but then it stops being a convertible Jun 26 04:25:03 I know. I don't care about convertibles and sun roofs Jun 26 04:25:08 weird Jun 26 04:25:16 like that Jun 26 04:27:02 s2000 with a set of motons... Jun 26 04:35:01 would anyone happen to know the max texture size of the pre gpu Jun 26 04:35:12 funny you should ask - 1024x1024 Jun 26 04:37:10 thanks Jun 26 04:37:13 np Jun 26 05:29:45 success Jun 26 05:29:55 wow - that was the smoothes ubuntu upgrade i've ever had Jun 26 05:30:07 s/smoothes/smoothest Jun 26 05:30:27 gnome-do still keeps crashes Jun 26 05:30:38 congrats! Jun 26 05:30:48 i'm scared to upgrade from 8.04 Jun 26 05:32:32 oh definitely Jun 26 05:32:44 upgrades along the way are rough Jun 26 05:32:53 9.10 - 10.04 appeared smooth Jun 26 05:36:49 no idea if ubuntu will take care of LTS to LTS upgrades Jun 26 05:37:07 but I have a ton of extra pkgs installed on this one box. cassandra etc. Jun 26 05:37:14 so it's going to be interesting. Jun 26 05:37:27 maybe i should build a vmware instance Jun 26 05:37:33 and try the upgrade on that Jun 26 05:43:54 omg - i hate the flipped menubar Jun 26 05:44:03 it looks so wrong Jun 26 05:45:06 hey where can i get the web os so i can get the preware for my phone Jun 26 05:46:15 wth? Jun 26 05:47:53 jhojho, I'm doing a LTS to LTS tommorrow. Jun 26 05:48:04 they are pretty good about that. Jun 26 06:44:08 is there a nova command to copy a file over? Jun 26 06:45:46 nvmind. figured it ou Jun 26 06:45:47 t Jun 26 06:50:00 Anybody alive and kicking at this hour? Jun 26 06:52:47 4:30pm? Jun 26 06:53:10 USA mate. Jun 26 06:53:15 Sorry forgot. Jun 26 06:53:33 Self centered Americans....remember? lol Jun 26 06:53:39 Its all about us. Jun 26 06:55:29 rwhitby: I'm looking for a reason as to why all of the sudden (within the last week or so) I have a folder in my photos app called "icons" and that's all there is. 28 of them. Jun 26 06:55:59 save/restore launcher support Jun 26 06:56:06 Verizon, Palm, Facebook, Amazon, and my bookmarked pages. Jun 26 06:56:53 0.8.5? Jun 26 06:57:15 yep Jun 26 06:58:04 rwhitby: Overlooked that. Any way I can disable just that part of it? It's a tad annoying. If I can't, I'll live. Jun 26 07:06:44 bbl Jun 26 07:47:57 hi there Jun 26 07:48:50 hi there, unfortunatly time for bed here. Jun 26 07:52:55 that's a pitty. I guess there is more going on here during daytimes for US timezones, then? Jun 26 07:53:59 1am here and most in US are fast asleep (except the Left Coasters) Jun 26 07:56:09 ok, that makes sense. Jun 26 07:58:56 AcKoenigs: it all depends on the day of the week Jun 26 07:59:40 for me it's saturday already and I just got up. hehe Jun 26 08:00:36 5:30pm Saturday afternoon here Jun 26 08:15:11 re.. my ubuntu notebook crashed. Didn't expect that to happen. ;) Jun 26 08:15:39 crashed how? Jun 26 08:16:14 no reaction to keyboard/mouseinput or ping.. totaly crashed. Jun 26 08:47:29 anybody here using a2dp on his palm pre? Jun 26 08:49:37 ya all the time Jun 26 08:51:30 and you don't have quality issues? Jun 26 08:52:06 not that are pre specific Jun 26 08:52:13 i have a jvc deck w/ bt Jun 26 08:52:20 stream music over ampache and pandora and grooveshark Jun 26 08:52:23 and its mildly less quality Jun 26 08:52:26 but still hits Jun 26 08:53:00 i got subs Jun 26 08:53:15 and i'd say.. 10% diff? Jun 26 08:53:38 but its how good the d2a on the bluetooth side device is too Jun 26 08:53:44 my jvc is apparently pretty good Jun 26 08:53:48 ive had headphones that sucked Jun 26 08:54:04 i currently use a2dp headphones, moto s305 i think Jun 26 08:54:25 and i have a a2dp speakerball, a sony ericsson one, forgot the model, its pretty good Jun 26 08:54:36 but then i got a smaller moto speakerphone/a2dp combo thing, and it blows ass Jun 26 08:55:06 hm.. I tried many different headphones and all of them produce very irritating issues... none of them made any trouble with my previos htc hd2. Jun 26 08:55:17 like? Jun 26 08:55:24 what headphones, what issues? Jun 26 08:55:28 I always get some hissing noise Jun 26 08:55:31 i own 5 pairs of bluetooth headphones. Jun 26 08:55:41 er, 4 and 2 standalone speakers Jun 26 08:55:52 hissing noise? i definitely dont get that. Jun 26 08:57:14 it's somehow connected to the music, to some frequencies and it's not always there, but most time.. depends on the music. Everything with any kind of percussion produces this issue.. it's very strange. Jun 26 08:57:21 that seems to be common in bt devices Jun 26 08:57:26 are you in a2dp or sco? Jun 26 08:57:37 a2dp. Jun 26 08:57:42 sco? Jun 26 08:57:45 essentially, the amplifier in the headphones is on but there's no valid audio Jun 26 08:58:07 synchronized connection oriented or something like that Jun 26 08:58:13 AcKoenigs: and it was fine in the hd2? Jun 26 08:58:22 odd. Jun 26 08:58:32 ive definitely noticed probs with diff pres Jun 26 08:58:55 one has bad range, another has 'buffering' errors in ampache while the other didnt Jun 26 08:58:58 anybody know if Pre uses a pcm link or hci for a2dp Jun 26 08:59:05 just odd a2dp quirks depending on the model Jun 26 08:59:06 i dont Jun 26 08:59:15 that can't really be a hardware variation in Pre Jun 26 08:59:27 it is Jun 26 08:59:28 since no analog portions of the device are involved in bt audio Jun 26 08:59:36 i have 2 pres here Jun 26 08:59:42 they exhibit different problems Jun 26 08:59:44 ive had 4 other models Jun 26 08:59:49 like? Jun 26 08:59:56 01:56 < keith> one has bad range, another has 'buffering' errors in ampache while the other didnt Jun 26 09:00:03 i have a touchstone mounted in my dash. Jun 26 09:00:10 range could be the radio and antenna Jun 26 09:00:15 so, same place, one pre will cut out Jun 26 09:00:17 the other, fine. Jun 26 09:00:17 but can only lead to drop outs Jun 26 09:00:22 hmm Jun 26 09:00:34 had this on friends, too Jun 26 09:00:35 Pre uses pulseaudio doesn't it? Jun 26 09:00:38 yes. Jun 26 09:00:42 can you check it's cpu usage Jun 26 09:00:43 also one i get more buffering errors Jun 26 09:00:48 not while driving Jun 26 09:00:49 also, can you use paplay to to play something Jun 26 09:00:58 which is when i have these problems :P Jun 26 09:01:05 just saying those aren't really hardware issues Jun 26 09:01:21 buffering might not even be an a2dp (l2cap) issue Jun 26 09:01:28 re.. sorry, laptop crashed again. Jun 26 09:01:33 it might be before the bt stack Jun 26 09:01:35 i never said it was Jun 26 09:01:42 i said, im having different problems based on diff pres Jun 26 09:01:52 just trying to diagnose why that might be the case Jun 26 09:01:58 well, i can put one on it, no buffering Jun 26 09:02:01 the other one, flaky Jun 26 09:02:05 it could be anything, i agree Jun 26 09:02:14 my last one before i swapped had no buffering problems Jun 26 09:02:18 but the headphone jack went out :( Jun 26 09:02:46 but we're talking about bt Jun 26 09:02:52 so I'm confused Jun 26 09:03:00 it had no buffering problems when using bt Jun 26 09:03:04 but i use the headphone jack too sometimes Jun 26 09:03:06 and that went out Jun 26 09:03:07 ok Jun 26 09:03:10 so i had to get it replaced Jun 26 09:03:15 now this one has buffering problems :( Jun 26 09:03:19 what buffering problems are you talking about? Jun 26 09:03:21 and youre right, its not b Jun 26 09:03:23 bt Jun 26 09:03:27 its the phone itself, totally Jun 26 09:03:32 cuz i get the issues w/ headphones jack too Jun 26 09:03:41 AcKoenigs: in ampache mobile Jun 26 09:03:46 ah, ok. Jun 26 09:03:46 i have my own ampache setup which is awesome Jun 26 09:03:49 when it works right :p Jun 26 09:03:52 hehe Jun 26 09:03:55 what's ampace? Jun 26 09:03:58 ampache Jun 26 09:04:10 www.ampache.org Jun 26 09:04:16 it's a streaming server Jun 26 09:04:21 http://hadm.net/music Jun 26 09:04:24 feel free to sign up Jun 26 09:04:28 and there is a nice client for that on the pre Jun 26 09:04:29 and download ampache mobile Jun 26 09:04:33 hopefully you like hiphop :p Jun 26 09:04:39 its all independent Jun 26 09:04:49 not the top40/bet/mtv garbage Jun 26 09:05:05 not all french? Jun 26 09:05:15 french? Jun 26 09:05:20 i maybe have an artist or two in french Jun 26 09:05:38 i have a couple swedes Jun 26 09:05:43 some netherlands Jun 26 09:05:46 mainly us though Jun 26 09:06:22 it says: Ampache :: Pour l'Amour de la Musique on the first page, maybe that's why tmzt asked. :) Jun 26 09:06:28 ahh Jun 26 09:06:34 i think a canadian made it or something haha Jun 26 09:06:49 i forgot about that line Jun 26 09:06:55 but no, none of it is in french Jun 26 09:07:15 but this is going down on sunday (have to rehome the box) fyi in case you do actually enjoy using it Jun 26 09:07:18 it should be back around 4th Jun 26 09:10:09 might put it on the server, then push to amp Jun 26 09:10:28 so I wouldn need a cli x86 client Jun 26 09:12:08 just use the shoutcast integration Jun 26 09:12:11 and stream the .pls Jun 26 09:12:22 or write your own cli client, i guess Jun 26 09:13:01 mpd? Jun 26 09:13:07 or use mpd, good point Jun 26 09:45:58 hi there. my dnsmasq doesnt get started anymore, if I try to manually start it, I get "dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket: Address already in use". Any ideas? Jun 26 09:48:03 hm wait, it is running, but it simply does not work ... Jun 26 09:49:51 argh OK forget about it, vpnc has overwritten /etc/resolv.conf Jun 26 09:53:37 rwhitby: so what do you think about this ? let's start killing or restarting tasks for a device that's running into TMC and determine if it's userspace or kernelspace. What do you think about that ? I've only seen a pretty non-descriptive 'ps aux' saying that userspace tasks aren't taking up space. I need to look more carefully though Jun 26 09:56:33 bhuey: sure, worth investigating. I'm a bit busy on other stuff myself right now though. Jun 26 09:58:55 ok Jun 26 09:59:06 yeah, looking at my pre now that's just about reached a TMC state Jun 26 09:59:09 swap is about to run out Jun 26 09:59:30 is it all in LunaSysMgr or java or BrowserServer ? Jun 26 10:00:20 probably mostly in LunaSysMgr Jun 26 10:19:48 yeah, there's a huge image Jun 26 10:20:03 rwhitby: too bad they didn't make more ofthis publically available Jun 26 10:20:27 there would be more eyes on this problem but that doesn't guaranteee that it'll get fixed though Jun 26 10:20:37 such an annoying issue Jun 26 14:13:58 hi Jun 26 15:20:29 ho Jun 26 15:21:42 hiho Jun 26 15:21:48 gfood afternoon Jun 26 17:15:53 Now with the Zip/UnZip packages installed on my phone, can I use them through the command line? Jun 26 17:17:53 yes, you should Jun 26 17:19:03 Is it easy as "zip Files Files.zip"? Jun 26 17:22:09 try it Jun 26 17:26:22 -sh: zip: not found Jun 26 17:29:44 I guess it doesn't work Jun 26 17:32:37 *Zelda Secret Unlock Chime* Just "unlocked" the secret level in Save/Restore. Jun 26 17:35:16 And in Preware as well. Too bad there aren't any rubies Jun 26 17:41:58 I have unzip and gzip on my pre Jun 26 19:05:06 is it possible to get 800MHz back in the 1GHz kernels? seems 1GHz took its place, i assume a multiplier change that precludes this, but want to verify. Jun 26 19:07:57 1ghz on the pre? it'd meeelt Jun 26 19:10:05 i thought uNiXpSyChO was working on 1.2GHz now after 1.05GHz was up and working Jun 26 19:10:38 well at today's temp, my Pre already spams overheat warnings on the 500/800mhz screenstate Jun 26 19:12:02 interesting Jun 26 19:13:52 it's black, it's sunny, go figure Jun 26 19:13:56 the case soaks up heat Jun 26 19:18:11 Marajin, what does the Pre say about overheat warnings? Jun 26 19:18:32 ka6sox3: it just says 'Warning: Device temperature is high' Jun 26 19:18:43 in what screen? Jun 26 19:18:51 It uses the notification API to do it Jun 26 19:19:03 okay thats gotta be the battery Jun 26 19:19:24 because the kernel doesnt' know about that for the CPU Jun 26 19:19:30 could be, it's on the touchstone right now and it's periodically wibblign Jun 26 19:19:38 it's done it before on the warmer days Jun 26 19:19:51 although IIRC last time it did this, I yanked it off the touchstone but it kept ranting Jun 26 19:20:05 the battery has thermal mass and takes a while to cool Jun 26 19:20:17 yeah I know I meant kept ranting for hours :P Jun 26 19:20:22