**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 28 02:59:57 2010
Jun 28 03:35:33 <hborders> can someone please explain what the rootfs and staging_dir are in WIDK cross-compile?
Jun 28 03:35:39 <hborders> I'm trying to build liboauth for WIDK
Jun 28 03:35:47 <hborders> just trying to make sure my Makefile does the right stuf
Jun 28 03:35:49 <hborders> stuff
Jun 28 03:49:02 <hborders> off to bed, i'll try again tomorrow night
Jun 28 04:19:55 <salliotte> my preware says its too old and that i need to reboot my phone or reinstall it. how do i reinstall it?
Jun 28 04:27:22 <Tman> http://preware.org -> Install guides
Jun 28 05:28:33 <gollyzila|comp> egaudet: How's Internalz development going?
Jun 28 05:29:39 <gollyzila|comp> woops, wrong person. My apologies
Jun 28 05:31:13 <oil_pre> lol
Jun 28 07:31:15 <GeorgeAScott> howdy, I'm seeking assistance with getting a driver installed for rndis ethernet gadget, machine is winxp-sp3, I've followed the docs on usbnet wiki and get an error when pointing to usbnet-pre.inf or linux.inf
Jun 28 11:12:48 <HotDP> Can some one help me? i get an error when installing Preware and can therefor not get it to work?
Jun 28 11:22:56 <HotDP> Any?
Jun 28 11:27:34 <swisstomcat> heya
Jun 28 11:38:19 <rwhitby> HotDP: http://install.preware.org/
Jun 28 11:39:03 <HotDP> swisstomcat have helped me
Jun 28 11:39:26 <swisstomcat> with the preware-bootstrap method
Jun 28 11:39:39 <rwhitby> cool
Jun 28 13:07:32 <en0x> hmm
Jun 28 13:07:36 <en0x> rwhitby: here?
Jun 28 13:07:51 <rwhitby> yes
Jun 28 13:07:59 <en0x> rwhitby: do u maybe have the specs for EU palm pixi plus? i'm talking about umts/hsdpa bands
Jun 28 13:08:07 <en0x> because the one for att have 850/1900
Jun 28 13:08:21 <en0x> i can't find any info for european version on palm site
Jun 28 13:08:50 <rwhitby> en0x: it's in the user manual
Jun 28 13:09:02 <en0x> yeah i don't have user manual :(
Jun 28 13:09:21 <rwhitby> http://www.o2.co.uk/deviceinfo/device-pdfs/palmpreeng.pdf
Jun 28 13:09:37 <rwhitby> google is a wonderful invention - you should try it some time ;)
Jun 28 13:09:58 <en0x> hehe
Jun 28 13:10:08 <rwhitby> • Dualband WCDMA/HSDPA (850/1900 or 900/2100) • Quadband GSM/GPRS/EGPRS (850/900/1800/1900)
Jun 28 13:10:17 <en0x> this is for pre does the specs for gsm bands apply to pixi too? :P
Jun 28 13:12:18 <rwhitby> what google search terms have you tried so far?
Jun 28 13:12:52 <swisstomcat> what's this google you're talking about?
Jun 28 13:12:55 <en0x> palm pixi plus o2 manual
Jun 28 13:13:25 <en0x> and so on :P
Jun 28 13:19:13 <swisstomcat> i only know altavista.com
Jun 28 13:20:15 <rwhitby> https://service.o2online.de/portal/;jsessionid=2461DCA23DD1AFFE7697215E3DBE6BCF?$part=Productcatalog.content.detailView&hardwareId=4510%20260004%2000&commercializationId=NewCustomerWebshopPostpaid&tariffId=N-HWO-H-NC-15
Jun 28 13:20:33 <rwhitby> UMTS-Netze (WCDMA 900/1900/2100, HSDPA) Quadband-Betrieb in GSM 850/900/1800/1900-Netzen
Jun 28 13:21:39 <en0x> k thx
Jun 28 13:25:38 <rwhitby> classic.  "my phone is unstable at 1GHz"  "just do a battery pull and you'll be back to normal"
Jun 28 13:25:53 <rwhitby> gotta love the advice you get on forums
Jun 28 13:26:01 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 28 13:27:10 <rwhitby> I think I need to limit the depth of the calls to find in the autobuilder makefile.  seems to be taking an inordinate amount of time.
Jun 28 13:33:44 <rwhitby> superfast now :)
Jun 28 13:34:13 <rwhitby> heh, it would have been searching through all the kernel build directories
Jun 28 13:35:05 <rwhitby> that should reduce the autobuilder turn-around time by at least 10 minutes each run
Jun 28 14:37:54 <djk1> Is there a problem with preware getting all the feeds?
Jun 28 14:38:23 <swisstomcat> not when i used it the last time today
Jun 28 14:38:38 <rwhitby> djk1: what feed is it failing on?
Jun 28 14:39:55 <djk1> must be my wifi  network. it scrolls off a bunch
Jun 28 14:40:31 <ka6sox> mine too
Jun 28 14:41:26 <djk1> ka6sox have you tried the hamster app?
Jun 28 14:41:43 <rwhitby> UberKernel 1.4.x-58 is released
Jun 28 14:42:50 <ka6sox> no, fraid i'm not much of a apps guy
Jun 28 14:43:36 <ka6sox> preware is choking on palm-beta
Jun 28 14:44:09 <djk1> Just wondered with your call sign ID. I gave it a shot but it doesn't seem to be fully baked. The password is typed in the clear on the screen and it doesn't connect to qrz
Jun 28 14:44:38 <ka6sox> bummers...
Jun 28 14:44:51 <ka6sox> I have an account there.
Jun 28 14:45:24 <djk1> seems like more than palm beta I just removed and refreshed still a bunch of errors
Jun 28 14:46:12 <ka6sox> what feeds are you seeing?
Jun 28 14:46:16 <djk1> I have an account and used that account to log in with the hamaster app (a repeater and more lookup tool) but the login button doesn't seem to do anything
Jun 28 14:46:39 <ka6sox> ugh...that would be a nice feature when I'm travelling
Jun 28 14:47:16 <djk1> is there a way to tell easily what feeds are working and which are failing?
Jun 28 14:48:22 <djk1> when I select OK off the error listing it shows a total of 63 app 33 patches 36 other
Jun 28 14:48:59 <rwhitby> disable them all and try them one by one
Jun 28 14:49:33 <ka6sox> djk1, that would be quite helpful.
Jun 28 14:50:02 <ka6sox> if its webos-internals feeds then I need to fix it.
Jun 28 14:50:08 <djk1> rwhitby: ugh that is painful
Jun 28 14:50:27 <rwhitby> ka6sox: it's not.
Jun 28 14:50:32 <ka6sox> I'm 10 minutes into trying to update and so far not going well.
Jun 28 14:51:00 <ka6sox> its 58MB into swap.
Jun 28 14:51:36 <ka6sox> only preware running
Jun 28 14:52:03 <ka6sox> lunasysmgr is running like 99%
Jun 28 14:52:39 <rwhitby> sounds like a runaway wget
Jun 28 14:53:23 <ka6sox> glad I have novaterm running help to see whats going on.
Jun 28 14:53:52 <ka6sox> rwhitby, its done with the pulls..now its loading package info.
Jun 28 14:54:10 <ka6sox> but its ground to a halt
Jun 28 14:57:01 <ka6sox> okay, running -57 warthog and it seems like things aren't working..govnah won't even load.
Jun 28 14:57:12 <ka6sox> and I"ve given up on preware.
Jun 28 14:57:36 <ka6sox> lunasysmger is stil @ 99% and memory isn't being released.
Jun 28 14:58:07 <djk1> given up on preware why?
Jun 28 14:58:48 <ka6sox> stuck @ 1/2 way reading the package index and descriptions.
Jun 28 14:58:56 <ka6sox> been that way for 15 minutes
Jun 28 15:00:48 <ka6sox> too bad terminal got fixed...I could have forced a luna restart
Jun 28 15:01:56 * rwhitby bbt
Jun 28 15:02:15 <ka6sox> nn rwhitby
Jun 28 15:02:20 <ka6sox> battery pull time. haven't done that in a while.
Jun 28 15:03:48 <rwhitby> With the latest PreCentral story (http://www.precentral.net/pre-gets-1ghz-overclock-custom-kernels-possible-pixi) have a guess how many people will be posting in the UberKernel thread asking why it isn't running at 1GHz ...
Jun 28 15:04:20 <ka6sox> dunno....got a count?
Jun 28 15:04:21 <djk1> battery life what battery
Jun 28 15:09:25 <djk1> I can now see the first error I think.
Jun 28 15:09:25 <djk1> Unable to run command: /usr/bin/ipkg -o /media/crptofs/apps update 2>&1
Jun 28 15:10:23 <swisstomcat> whoa, thunderchief at 1ghz is FAST!
Jun 28 15:11:09 <djk1> That's cool. How is your battery life at 1ghz?
Jun 28 15:12:47 <swisstomcat> i just saw a video
Jun 28 15:13:19 <swisstomcat> linked in that precentral story
Jun 28 15:13:22 <ka6sox> battery life?
Jun 28 15:13:40 <swisstomcat> i have a mobile fuel cell .. no battery problems
Jun 28 15:13:40 <ka6sox> I run plugged in 99% of the time
Jun 28 15:13:48 <djk1> I'm guess if you overclock the battery life is going to suffer
Jun 28 15:13:59 <ka6sox> I need a portable TEG.
Jun 28 15:14:48 <djk1> lucky you. I can't be plugged in 99% and part of having the Pre is that I can be remote
Jun 28 15:15:17 <ka6sox> I take the pixi with me 99% of the time...
Jun 28 15:15:34 <ka6sox> and use it much more than the pre
Jun 28 15:19:38 <en0x> http://yfrog.com/cb5kvj buehehe
Jun 28 15:20:21 <en0x> i still don't get
Jun 28 15:20:41 <en0x> before they were talking that 1ghz oveclock won't do any good to pre because it will not take advantage of it
Jun 28 15:20:46 <en0x> and 800mhz is the max
Jun 28 15:49:18 <en0x> oh palm posted changelog for 1.4.5 for sprint
Jun 28 15:49:30 <en0x> but nowhere the update is to be found :S
Jun 28 16:19:08 <slydog43> any1 know how to fix my preware/WOQI, they only show 6 installed programs and I have many
Jun 28 16:19:50 <MetaView> no clue... run the doctor and reinstall...
Jun 28 16:19:59 <slydog43> I need to uninstall old UberKernel and install the new one but it doesnt show up under preware
Jun 28 16:20:19 <slydog43> MetaView, I was hoping no one would say that
Jun 28 16:22:09 <MetaView> well, I hope there is another solution, but don't know it
Jun 28 16:22:28 <MetaView> can't you just install the recovery kernel?
Jun 28 16:29:16 <egaudet_work_> slydog43: you can try ERU
Jun 28 16:31:28 <slydog43> will try that now, thanks
Jun 28 16:33:03 <Boopop> Hi all
Jun 28 16:33:39 <Boopop> can someone help me install something please? >.<
Jun 28 16:35:57 <MetaView> how?
Jun 28 16:36:10 <Boopop> well...
Jun 28 16:36:35 <Boopop> I'm trying to install the messaging plugins patch
Jun 28 16:36:47 <Boopop> it says I need "Messaging notification repeat patch"
Jun 28 16:36:56 <Boopop> which I search for on preware, and it doesn't appear
Jun 28 16:36:58 <Boopop> what am I doing wrong?
Jun 28 16:37:08 <Boopop> nor does the messaging plugin itself when I search for that
Jun 28 16:37:20 <MetaView> don't know, is there no homepage for the patch? usually a forums thread?
Jun 28 16:37:24 <Boopop> http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/233983-messaging-plugins-add-more-im-options-your-pre.html
Jun 28 16:37:52 <Boopop> I've got all the feeds turned on on preware
Jun 28 16:38:17 <MetaView> is the patch server just down atm?
Jun 28 16:38:56 <Boopop> I get 354 patches when i look at the patch server
Jun 28 16:38:58 <Boopop> is that correct?
Jun 28 16:38:59 <VincentLaw> I don't recall the messaging plugin thing every being on preware
Jun 28 16:39:03 <VincentLaw> *ever
Jun 28 16:41:03 <Boopop> how do install a patch you download off the net then?
Jun 28 16:41:06 <Boopop> do you*
Jun 28 16:41:13 <Boopop> do I have to use quick install again?
Jun 28 16:41:27 <VincentLaw> quick install is probably the easiest way
Jun 28 16:41:44 <Boopop> hmm ok
Jun 28 16:41:45 <Boopop> thanks
Jun 28 16:43:11 <Boopop> will "SMS tone patch" refer to "SMS Tone per Contact V2"?
Jun 28 16:43:56 <slydog43> egaudet_work,   YOUR the man, ERU worked great, never ran that before, thanks thanks and thanks again
Jun 28 16:44:05 <slydog43> love the palm community
Jun 28 16:49:10 <Boopop> and how do I install a .patch file?
Jun 28 16:49:42 <slydog43> use Webos Quick Install 3.14
Jun 28 16:49:57 <Boopop> that's what I'm trying to use
Jun 28 16:50:02 <Boopop> it wants a ipk file
Jun 28 16:50:07 <slydog43> what happens
Jun 28 16:50:16 <Boopop> it doesn't find my .patch file
Jun 28 16:50:24 <Boopop> cause it's only finding .ipk files
Jun 28 16:50:32 <slydog43> did you download the patch file to your computer?
Jun 28 16:50:38 <Boopop> indeed
Jun 28 16:50:45 <Boopop> couldn't find it on preware
Jun 28 16:50:49 <slydog43> drag and drop it to QI
Jun 28 16:51:07 <Boopop> nothing happens
Jun 28 16:51:12 <Boopop> doesn't appear on the window anyway
Jun 28 16:51:24 <slydog43> is it an ipk file?
Jun 28 16:51:36 <Boopop> it's a .patch file
Jun 28 16:52:16 <slydog43> do you have your pre plugged into usb and in charging mode?
Jun 28 16:52:36 <Boopop> indeed
Jun 28 16:52:51 <slydog43> plug in pre, then run QI and drag the patch file to the white window in QI
Jun 28 16:52:54 <Boopop> already got preware on it so it's homebrewed up
Jun 28 16:52:59 <slydog43> it works fine for me, sorry
Jun 28 16:53:07 <Boopop> hmmm =/
Jun 28 16:53:13 <slydog43> what patch are you looking for
Jun 28 16:53:20 <Boopop> notification repeat
Jun 28 16:53:38 <slydog43> sorry reboot my pre right now, will check in a few minutes
Jun 28 16:54:25 <slydog43> wow I love my pre again, got a replacement for my shitty keyyyyboooarrrd
Jun 28 16:55:04 <slydog43> what a different phone with a new overclock kernel and a keyboard that doesnt double type
Jun 28 16:55:08 <Boopop> Only got mine a few days ago =D
Jun 28 16:55:27 <slydog43> boopop are you running a custom kernel?
Jun 28 16:55:34 <Boopop> new overclock kernel? does overclocking it really make it that much faster?
Jun 28 16:55:36 <Boopop> nah
Jun 28 16:55:44 <Boopop> surely it hammers the battery
Jun 28 16:56:12 <slydog43> you have too!!! its soooo much better, just start out with Uberkernel and govnah
Jun 28 16:56:22 <slydog43> better battery life
Jun 28 16:56:26 <Boopop> 0.o
Jun 28 16:56:34 <Boopop> better battery life despite faster cpu? xD
Jun 28 16:56:41 <Boopop> What is this witchcraft?!
Jun 28 16:56:54 <slydog43> its complicated
Jun 28 16:57:02 <Boopop> hmmm
Jun 28 16:57:04 <Boopop> easy to install?
Jun 28 16:57:47 <slydog43> very just use preware.  you can type uber when preware first comes up and it will find it
Jun 28 16:58:04 <slydog43> then install govnah to control it
Jun 28 16:58:14 <Boopop> interesting :)
Jun 28 16:58:54 <Boopop> I shall have to investigate once I get this msn thingy working
Jun 28 16:58:57 <slydog43> its the single best thing to put on the phone in my opinion and I bet everyone else would say so also, uNIXpSyChO is the MAN
Jun 28 16:59:26 <slydog43> 4x4 launch icons is also great
Jun 28 16:59:42 <slydog43> advanced laucher config ++++
Jun 28 17:00:12 <slydog43> Boopop you have pre or pixi?
Jun 28 17:00:21 <Boopop> pre of course :)
Jun 28 17:00:26 <slydog43> phew
Jun 28 17:00:31 <Boopop> ololol
Jun 28 17:00:33 <Boopop> :P
Jun 28 17:00:35 <Boopop> Screw the pixi, lol
Jun 28 17:00:39 <Boopop> I mean
Jun 28 17:00:40 <Boopop> even the name
Jun 28 17:00:43 <Boopop> pixi? XD
Jun 28 17:01:05 <slydog43> pre or pre plus?
Jun 28 17:01:15 <Boopop> just the normal pre :(
Jun 28 17:01:19 <Boopop> Got it for £170 mind
Jun 28 17:01:20 <Boopop> I was pleased
Jun 28 17:02:07 <slydog43> then the uberkernel is very importand for you since it supports a compress cache so you will see less Out of memory stuff
Jun 28 17:02:28 <Boopop> haven't seen any out of memory stuff yet but ok
Jun 28 17:02:29 <Boopop> lol
Jun 28 17:02:37 <slydog43> TMC error??
Jun 28 17:02:46 <Boopop> nopes
Jun 28 17:02:48 <Boopop> bleh
Jun 28 17:03:04 <Boopop> getting an error when trying to install my messenger plugin >.<
Jun 28 17:03:21 <slydog43> any other messenger patches installed?
Jun 28 17:03:23 <Boopop> return value 4 0.o
Jun 28 17:03:24 <Boopop> nope
Jun 28 17:03:40 <slydog43> weird
Jun 28 17:03:59 <Boopop> cannot find package? 0.o
Jun 28 17:04:01 <slydog43> you can install other patches ok?
Jun 28 17:04:04 <Boopop> I dragged and dropped it like you said
Jun 28 17:04:06 <Boopop> lol
Jun 28 17:04:15 <slydog43> use preware its just easier
Jun 28 17:04:26 <slydog43> if the patch is in the feeds
Jun 28 17:04:30 <Boopop> this isn't on preware >.<
Jun 28 17:04:36 <slydog43> shit
Jun 28 17:04:43 <Boopop> lol
Jun 28 17:04:45 <Boopop> quite
Jun 28 17:05:30 <slydog43> what does the patch do
Jun 28 17:06:15 <slydog43> sure the patch is for 1.4.1.x  exactly the version of the OS that you have?
Jun 28 17:07:26 <Boopop> I've got the patches installed, now I'm trying to install these messaging plugins
Jun 28 17:07:32 <Boopop> says it works for 1.4.x
Jun 28 17:08:12 <Boopop> meh I'll try your thing anyway, seems more interesting xD
Jun 28 17:08:57 <slydog43> boopop, you will be amazed with the speed diff
Jun 28 17:09:27 <Boopop> seeing as I'm installing it via preware
Jun 28 17:09:35 <Boopop> I expect this to work unlike the other thing which didn't xD
Jun 28 17:09:52 <slydog43> just use preware and its a snap
Jun 28 17:09:58 <Boopop> reboot after it's installed I guess then seeing as it's a kernel?
Jun 28 17:10:17 <slydog43> just did it while we were chatting, I have a couple of pres
Jun 28 17:10:27 <Boopop> lol
Jun 28 17:10:33 <Boopop> touchstone coming tomorrow too :)
Jun 28 17:10:42 <slydog43> get a few of them
Jun 28 17:11:24 <Boopop> lol
Jun 28 17:11:29 <Boopop> I'm quite content with the one xD
Jun 28 17:11:40 <Boopop> I don't have the money nor need for more than one
Jun 28 17:11:44 <Boopop> just want one for my desk
Jun 28 17:12:16 <Boopop> Murraaaay!
Jun 28 17:12:18 <Boopop> =D
Jun 28 17:13:44 <Boopop> phone restarting
Jun 28 17:13:51 <Boopop> what sort of stuff goes faster?
Jun 28 17:13:53 <Boopop> browser?
Jun 28 17:14:03 <Boopop> and care to explain why I'll have better battery life? xD
Jun 28 17:15:26 <slydog43> everything is faster, bettery ok here goes quick expaination.   CPU takes a lot of battery when computing so if it spends less time computing bettery battery
Jun 28 17:15:46 <Boopop> hmmm
Jun 28 17:15:51 <slydog43> lame expanation but kinda true
Jun 28 17:16:07 <Boopop> I'd have thought the higher frequency would drain the battery faster and the less time spent processing wouldn't make up for it
Jun 28 17:16:26 <slydog43> I use screenstate so the CPU scales betweeen 500MHZ and 800Mhz when screen is on
Jun 28 17:16:42 <Boopop> hm
Jun 28 17:16:57 <slydog43> I get better battery life with almost all setting that I try
Jun 28 17:16:57 <Boopop> I need to remember to change my preferences on preware xD
Jun 28 17:17:10 <Boopop> I got it auto updating every time I load atm, lol
Jun 28 17:17:59 <slydog43> its so fast now, i let it update everytime
Jun 28 17:18:19 <slydog43> just got a fed ex box, another pre to play with
Jun 28 17:18:48 <Boopop> lol, addict
Jun 28 17:20:19 <Boopop> so...how do I control anything with this govnah app
Jun 28 17:20:24 <Boopop> I'm just seeing graphs and stuff
Jun 28 17:20:39 <Boopop> ah got it I think
Jun 28 17:20:42 <Boopop> Advanced settings?
Jun 28 17:20:56 <Boopop> I'm guessing I want the compcache...
Jun 28 17:21:01 <slydog43> did you install uberkernel?
Jun 28 17:21:05 <Boopop> yup
Jun 28 17:21:14 <Boopop> what limit on the compcache would you suggest?
Jun 28 17:27:45 <Boopop> what's the disadvantage to having the CPU as slow as possible when the screen's off?
Jun 28 17:28:13 <slydog43> sorry had some work to do, im back
Jun 28 17:28:51 <slydog43> sorry dont have any regular pre's, so I dont know too much about compcache settings that work
Jun 28 17:29:12 <Boopop> and what about having the CPU insanely slow? xD
Jun 28 17:29:15 <Boopop> when the screen's off
Jun 28 17:29:36 <slydog43> dont you see a much improved UI experience
Jun 28 17:29:45 <Boopop> haven't taken 800mhz for a ride yet
Jun 28 17:30:00 <Boopop> just wanna know if I'll have any problems underclocking it when the screen's off
Jun 28 17:30:05 <chrisa> swap isn't really a bottleneck on pre, but I could see that being interesting for pixi
Jun 28 17:30:08 <slydog43> I just use 500/800.  I use to use 250/800 but a frew problems so I know use 500/800
Jun 28 17:30:31 <Boopop> Problems such as?
Jun 28 17:30:47 <slydog43> hickup and freeze for 2-4 secs
Jun 28 17:31:08 <Boopop> Ooh wow
Jun 28 17:31:12 <Boopop> browser opens like that
Jun 28 17:31:14 <Boopop> I like
Jun 28 17:31:20 <slydog43> told you
Jun 28 17:31:59 <slydog43> check out patch that increased open splash screen flash rate, just makes it seem faster also
Jun 28 17:32:14 <halfhalo_pre> I'm using ie mobile... shoot me
Jun 28 17:32:25 <Boopop> goodgod man
Jun 28 17:32:27 <Boopop> xD
Jun 28 17:32:46 <halfhalo_pre> zune was on while pre wasnt
Jun 28 17:32:47 <Boopop> browsing seems a bit faster too :)
Jun 28 17:33:17 <Boopop> no excuse man
Jun 28 17:33:19 <Boopop> sorry :P
Jun 28 17:33:24 <Boopop> cheers slydog anyway
Jun 28 17:33:32 <Boopop> hopefully I'll get my msn working at some point too
Jun 28 17:33:35 <slydog43> cya
Jun 28 17:34:39 <halfhalo_pre> the zune hd has way more power than it needs.  it's way to smooth
Jun 28 17:34:49 <halfhalo_pre> stuff just does
Jun 28 17:41:45 <chrisa> zune hd's interface doesn't really do anything either
Jun 28 17:41:54 <chrisa> Just a collection of more or less static menu lists
Jun 28 18:02:57 <Boopop> There an app which lets me put my apps in folders?
Jun 28 18:09:03 <Boopop> Anybody?
Jun 28 18:09:56 <en0x> no
Jun 28 18:10:43 <Boopop> no way of organizing my apps any better? :(
Jun 28 18:17:42 <Boopop> ah
Jun 28 18:17:48 <Boopop> 5x5 patch should suffice xD
Jun 28 20:02:10 <Evan__> Hi, Im having bad luck connect my pixi to python, i connected it before i dont know why i cant do it now
Jun 28 20:23:05 <Kyusaku> I have to figure out a good way to recreate the issue, but certain times when I close out apps my device locks up. This is with compcache enabled, will have to see if it does it without compcache.
Jun 28 20:23:36 <bhuey> rwhitby: hey, did you flks set the swap device priority to favor the compressed ram device ?
Jun 28 20:39:00 <ka6sox-wIRC> hello, is this thing working?
Jun 28 20:39:10 <egaudet_work> wircing?
Jun 28 20:39:37 <ka6sox-wIRC>  ya
Jun 28 20:40:16 <ka6sox-wIRC> using pixi to keep things on air
Jun 28 20:45:17 <bhuey> hey which partition is the swap partition ?
Jun 28 20:45:41 <bhuey> it would be nice to have two swpa devices going. It's just compressed swap at this time
Jun 28 20:54:14 * bhuey is trying to do that now
Jun 28 20:54:29 <bhuey> should be simple if I can get the swap-file
Jun 28 20:54:38 <bhuey> swap file
Jun 28 20:55:33 <uNiXpSyChO> if you use compressed swap the swap partition is in use.
Jun 28 20:59:33 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: which swap partition ? the one on the device ?
Jun 28 20:59:49 <uNiXpSyChO> the only swap partition on the device
Jun 28 21:02:04 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: thanks for all of the work btw, it's great that you folks are doing this
Jun 28 21:02:20 <bhuey> Im also getting random Luna crashes with these kernels
Jun 28 21:02:40 <uNiXpSyChO> update to -60
Jun 28 21:02:58 <oilsworkn> http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/28/palm-pre-breaks-the-1ghz-barrier-with-insane-custom-kernel/
Jun 28 21:03:33 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad is now imortal
Jun 28 21:03:55 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: does it have a crash fix in it ?
Jun 28 21:04:16 <oilsworkn> "some crazy dude with a death wish has somehow eked an honest gigahertz out of the Pre's OMAP3430 processor that normally plods along at 600MHz."
Jun 28 21:04:17 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 28 21:05:47 <HattCzech_work> urg
Jun 28 21:05:48 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: no.  but it might fix something your Pre doesnt like in the previous version.  if you're gonna run a test kernel then be prepared to always upgrade at whim.
Jun 28 21:05:58 <HattCzech_work> phone crash
Jun 28 21:06:19 <oilsworkn> and i just noticed govnah needs to put a , into frequencies over 999 xD
Jun 28 21:06:43 <uNiXpSyChO> get working on that fix ;)
Jun 28 21:07:14 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: does the compcache stuff automatically use the partition for flow over since that's configured internally ?
Jun 28 21:07:31 <bhuey> or is there a configuration file that you folks have in /etc some where ?
Jun 28 21:07:40 <uNiXpSyChO> yep.  the swap parttion on the flash device is compcache's backing store.
Jun 28 21:07:42 <rwhitby> bhuey: we do an upstart script
Jun 28 21:07:50 <HattCzech_work> my phone + non-stock kernel = not happy
Jun 28 21:08:06 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: ok, yeah, good and the ram device is higher priority of course, correct ?
Jun 28 21:08:08 <uNiXpSyChO> HattCzech_work: which non-stock kernel
Jun 28 21:08:09 <HattCzech_work> (when i make changes)
Jun 28 21:08:14 <bhuey> rwhitby: hey
Jun 28 21:08:16 <HattCzech_work> uber-kernel
Jun 28 21:08:16 <halfhalo_class> mm
Jun 28 21:08:17 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: yes sir.
Jun 28 21:08:18 <halfhalo_class> chipotle
Jun 28 21:08:25 <ka6sox-wIRC> -seen jho(jho,wirc,web,-mars,)
Jun 28 21:08:29 <bhuey> yeah, I've been getting various crashes, not sure what's going on with that
Jun 28 21:09:04 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: whick kernel?
Jun 28 21:09:06 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: already at -58
Jun 28 21:09:09 <HattCzech_work> changed to a profile i had created, turned off screen... didn't quite go off all the way (basically dimmed) and froze
Jun 28 21:09:19 <uNiXpSyChO> i might have asked...  but i get so many crash reports
Jun 28 21:09:48 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: -60 is out, try that.  some users have reported it fixes crashes... some are happy with -59
Jun 28 21:09:57 <oilsworkn> at least the govnah screenshot has a good tagline
Jun 28 21:10:01 <oilsworkn> and not one of the crazy random ones
Jun 28 21:10:07 <halfhalo_class> Random=good
Jun 28 21:10:08 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 28 21:10:32 <halfhalo_class> chipotle=better
Jun 28 21:10:33 <oilsworkn> i think the arnie one is weighted too high
Jun 28 21:10:35 <oilsworkn> that one is not so funny
Jun 28 21:12:35 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: -60 hasn't shown up in my preware feed yet
Jun 28 21:12:38 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: yeah, we should weight it down over time
Jun 28 21:12:54 <oilsworkn> brb, real work
Jun 28 21:13:34 <Abyssul> were there any negative side effects to the diable log upload patch?
Jun 28 21:13:37 <bhuey> not sure if I'm missing a feed or not
Jun 28 21:14:18 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: odd.  did you update? you running Uber or F10x?
Jun 28 21:14:30 <halfhalo_class> lets see how onlive runs...
Jun 28 21:16:02 <Flashpass> halfhalo_class: lemme know, i'm deciding whether to signup
Jun 28 21:16:29 <halfhalo_class> It worked great when I saw it at e3, and the service itself is free for a year
Jun 28 21:16:43 <halfhalo_class> but I really don't want to buy a game just to test it right now
Jun 28 21:16:51 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: uber
Jun 28 21:17:15 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: maybe I have the wrong kernel installed for getting the latest stuff
Jun 28 21:17:45 <uNiXpSyChO> i'm not sure what else changed in Uber to cause crashes.
Jun 28 21:18:34 <bhuey> yeah, it would be nice to get a stack trace
Jun 28 21:19:12 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: does it crash all the time?  and when does it crash?
Jun 28 21:19:34 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: fairly early, can't relly keep the device up that long before it crashes
Jun 28 21:19:41 <bhuey> I'm not set up to do kernel debugging here
Jun 28 21:21:42 <uNiXpSyChO> what cpu governor and speed slections are you using?
Jun 28 21:22:47 <rwhitby> bhuey: are you in a reboot loop?
Jun 28 21:22:57 <bhuey> it happens more in the non-default configurations
Jun 28 21:23:04 <halfhalo_class> Hey, look at that.  Something on palm on engadget
Jun 28 21:23:06 <bhuey> no reboot loop
Jun 28 21:23:12 <bhuey> just plain restarting oLuna or the device
Jun 28 21:23:55 <mdordal> halfhalo_class: aren't there demos? You can't transfer over savegames, but you could try it out...
Jun 28 21:24:06 <halfhalo_class> Not that I could see
Jun 28 21:24:20 <halfhalo_class> But if it worked like it did at e3, it is decent
Jun 28 21:24:47 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: it appens when I enable compcache
Jun 28 21:24:56 <halfhalo_class> No noticable lag, but you can see some compression artifacts, although that may have something to due with the downscaling on the monitors
Jun 28 21:24:57 <bhuey> it stalls for a while and then it crashes
Jun 28 21:25:01 <mdordal> some people have been complaining of not quite expectations
Jun 28 21:25:19 <mdordal> it's 720p, so I doubt downscaling
Jun 28 21:25:27 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: so it works fine without compcache?
Jun 28 21:25:28 <jhojho> ka6sox: ping back.
Jun 28 21:25:45 <halfhalo_class> The e3 monitors were 1080p
Jun 28 21:25:50 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: yeah, it seems to be related to enabling compcache
Jun 28 21:26:09 <bhuey> make it it's running out of memory or something since the device has been on a while before I enable it
Jun 28 21:26:31 <mdordal> the service itself appears (people who used it claimed) to be 720p though
Jun 28 21:26:59 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: do you boot it and leave compcache running or do you try to disable/enable compcache while the Pre is already been on for a while?
Jun 28 21:27:29 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: live enable for a device that's been on a while
Jun 28 21:28:06 <uNiXpSyChO> that makes sense.  there might not be enough ram to flush compressed to to RAM.
Jun 28 21:28:08 <halfhalo_class> It is 720p, but its still being compressed for streaming
Jun 28 21:28:33 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: even without the compcache enabled, it works better as a whole
Jun 28 21:28:43 <bhuey> I just don't like the crashes of cours
Jun 28 21:29:32 <uNiXpSyChO> not sure how good the OMAP3430 fp processor is ;P
Jun 28 21:30:06 <jhojho> it's supposed to be quite capable (in some situations)
Jun 28 21:30:27 <uNiXpSyChO> i wonder is we are actually using it
Jun 28 21:30:35 <uNiXpSyChO> s/is/if
Jun 28 21:30:41 <halfhalo_class> no
Jun 28 21:30:44 <halfhalo_class> its all imaginary
Jun 28 21:31:25 <uNiXpSyChO> the Pixi just wipes the floor with the Pre... maybe it can run compression better
Jun 28 21:31:47 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: chaning this compcache settings on the fly is a bitch
Jun 28 21:31:51 <bhuey> changing
Jun 28 21:32:03 <bhuey> it doesn't like it when I change something and hit apply
Jun 28 21:32:05 <bpadalino|work> i wonder how much of that is due to silicon versus ARM11 architecture having more time to have been optimized compiler wise
Jun 28 21:32:27 <jhojho> here's a snippet
Jun 28 21:32:48 <bpadalino|work> a teaser?
Jun 28 21:32:53 <halfhalo_class> snipsnip
Jun 28 21:32:55 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: yep.  its a roll of the dice whether there is enough RAM to flush the swap
Jun 28 21:33:22 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: so try this again but after a fresh reboot ?
Jun 28 21:33:29 <jhojho> snippet of differences between pixi and pre
Jun 28 21:33:30 <jhojho> https://pastee.org/t7vcb
Jun 28 21:33:40 <jhojho> from a conversation I had with a ti guy
Jun 28 21:33:46 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: yeah.  have it enabled at reboot and see how it runs...
Jun 28 21:33:54 <bhuey> just after reboot right ?
Jun 28 21:34:29 <bhuey> yes/no ?
Jun 28 21:34:42 <jhojho> so pixi's vfp is much faster and is validated by it's faster linpack numbers
Jun 28 21:34:45 <uNiXpSyChO> or before so it takes on bootup... but it mught crash on you.
Jun 28 21:34:58 <bhuey> sorry lost you
Jun 28 21:35:11 <bhuey> what's the best way of setting it ? just after boot or set it and then reboot ?
Jun 28 21:35:12 <uNiXpSyChO> bhuey: enable it right after boot is fine
Jun 28 21:35:38 <uNiXpSyChO> jhojho: Pre's fp unit is pwned
Jun 28 21:35:42 <bhuey> ok
Jun 28 21:35:48 <bhuey> trying it now, brb
Jun 28 21:35:57 <jhojho> it is
Jun 28 21:53:37 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: got it enabled, going to play with this for a bit
Jun 28 21:53:51 <bhuey> and see how it's works out for me, etc...
Jun 28 21:54:15 <uNiXpSyChO> cool
Jun 28 22:02:34 <bhuey> uNiXpSyChO: yeah, I never really played with it because I thought it was too crashy
Jun 28 22:02:55 <bhuey> there's life and then there's wastig your time mucking around with a device
Jun 28 22:02:58 <bhuey> life wins
Jun 28 22:23:41 <Robi_> luna crashes reported with uberkernel heh
Jun 28 22:24:04 <Robi_> i think the freq graph card needs to be more useful
Jun 28 22:25:42 <Robi_> the stretched look isn't as useful as the main card view freq item
Jun 28 22:30:24 <Robi_> govnah still awesome, like the tweak to lower freq during high power charging
Jun 28 22:31:08 <rwhitby> except that's a kernel feature, not govnah
Jun 28 22:31:32 <Robi_> yes of course
Jun 28 22:32:07 <Robi_> rwhitby: did you get a msg from rkguy ?
Jun 28 22:32:11 <Robi_> about iwconfig
Jun 28 22:32:19 <rwhitby> nope
Jun 28 22:32:48 <Robi_> ok good, you would have been annoyed
Jun 28 22:33:25 <Robi_> rcube was his nick here
Jun 28 22:34:09 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 28 22:38:41 <torchie> "device kernel is not in factory condition, refusing to install replacement"
Jun 28 22:39:46 <torchie> should I try installing palm kernel
Jun 28 22:40:52 <BeeRad> What did you try to install?
Jun 28 22:41:13 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad is now immortal
Jun 28 22:41:24 <BeeRad> Oh stop it.
Jun 28 22:41:48 <BeeRad> I can yank that video just as quick as I made it. lol
Jun 28 22:41:57 <BeeRad> Its YOUR work bro.
Jun 28 22:42:16 <uNiXpSyChO> but they see YOUR name!  all over the internet... engadet loves you ;P
Jun 28 22:42:38 <torchie> I'm trying to install uberkernel from preware
Jun 28 22:42:58 <BeeRad> Hey, YOUR name is front and center at the beginning. Proper spelling and capitals and all.
Jun 28 22:43:30 <torchie> I bet engadget loves how in the 1ghz video the engadget app gets opened and THEN the website gets opened
Jun 28 22:43:42 <torchie> "hey thats us!"
Jun 28 22:44:09 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad: but your Pre seemed faster than mine!
Jun 28 22:44:28 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO is the "crazy dude with a death wish". hahahaha
Jun 28 22:44:33 <halfhalo_class> MY pre runs on magic
Jun 28 22:45:08 <BeeRad> This is how I contribute to Internals and PreCentral. I make videos.
Jun 28 22:45:16 <torchie> vijjas
Jun 28 22:45:24 <uNiXpSyChO> video was good
Jun 28 22:45:37 <uNiXpSyChO> had a good beat too ;P
Jun 28 22:45:41 <torchie> yeah
Jun 28 22:45:46 <BeeRad> Thanks man. Your work was shown. It's awesome.
Jun 28 22:45:47 <torchie> what patch makes the launcher look like that?
Jun 28 22:45:58 <BeeRad> Lite List Launcher.
Jun 28 22:46:17 <BeeRad> For the numerous pages you can go a couple different routes.
Jun 28 22:46:48 <BeeRad> Add/Delete Pages or....
Jun 28 22:46:54 <torchie> ooh.
Jun 28 22:47:20 <BeeRad> Advanced Configuration for App Launcher
Jun 28 22:47:28 <BeeRad> I prefer the 2nd. Way useful.
Jun 28 22:48:02 <BeeRad> And let me just say for the record that my Pre gets hotter when charging the dang thing than when Im overclocked.
Jun 28 22:48:32 <BeeRad> Torchie, you dont have a custom kernel installed right now do you?
Jun 28 22:48:48 <torchie> well I installed uberkernel and then uninstalled because I was scared
Jun 28 22:49:07 <jhogsm> why?
Jun 28 22:49:24 <torchie> well I just got the phone like a week or two ago
Jun 28 22:49:53 <BeeRad> Ok, you need to go into Preware and uninstall what you have in there first.
Jun 28 22:49:59 * uNiXpSyChO everytime i see "jhogsm" nick i somehow see "orgasm"...
Jun 28 22:50:14 <jhogsm> so wrong
Jun 28 22:50:18 <BeeRad> Then you need to install the recovery kernel for the Pre
Jun 28 22:50:18 <torchie> I uninstalled uber a while ago
Jun 28 22:50:23 <torchie> I'm trying the recovery kernel right now
Jun 28 22:50:29 <jhoatt> fine
Jun 28 22:50:32 <jhoatt> happy
Jun 28 22:50:34 <jhoatt> ?
Jun 28 22:50:38 <BeeRad> Its not letting you?
Jun 28 22:50:59 <uNiXpSyChO> HAHAHHHHAA
Jun 28 22:52:11 <torchie> nah the recovery kernel worked
Jun 28 22:52:22 <torchie> so do I next go into preware and install the uber?
Jun 28 22:52:56 <BeeRad> Have you been doing restarts after each installation?
Jun 28 22:53:00 <torchie> yeah
Jun 28 22:53:01 * Tman just got his testing Pixi Plus in the mail :>
Jun 28 22:53:33 <BeeRad> Ok, you should be stable then. Go get what ever kernel you want and you should be good to go.
Jun 28 22:53:52 <torchie> woo!
Jun 28 22:56:54 <BeeRad> Never hurts to do a Doctor from time to time if you constantly installing/uninstalling kernels, patches, themes, etc.
Jun 28 22:57:10 <torchie> well patches I don't do too often actually
Jun 28 22:57:27 <torchie> right now I just have date in top bar and youtube download
Jun 28 22:58:13 <BeeRad> I doubt people will ever see my disclaimer at YouTube, but my Pre in the video was a long way off from its last Doctor. After several kernel installs, patches in and out, etc.
Jun 28 22:58:43 <BeeRad> That speed in the video was with 13 patches installed.
Jun 28 23:04:10 <torchie> alright so to control clock speed, govnah
Jun 28 23:04:51 <BeeRad> What kernel did you install?
Jun 28 23:04:52 <torchie> 125MHz muahahaha
Jun 28 23:04:56 <torchie> uberkernel pre
Jun 28 23:05:36 <BeeRad> 1.4.1-58?
Jun 28 23:05:58 <torchie> I think so
Jun 28 23:07:50 <BeeRad> Ok, so what are you asking for now?
Jun 28 23:07:53 <BeeRad> Govnah settings?
Jun 28 23:08:30 <torchie> well a couple of things
Jun 28 23:09:09 <torchie> I have max freq on 800 for screenstate governor but it's going to 500mhz max
Jun 28 23:09:29 <uNiXpSyChO> unplug it
Jun 28 23:09:44 <BeeRad> Correct.
Jun 28 23:10:03 <BeeRad> I figured that out the hard way. D'oh.
Jun 28 23:10:26 <torchie> oh!
Jun 28 23:10:42 <torchie> and so the madness begins
Jun 28 23:10:53 <BeeRad> 250MHz min (for me) works but not for everyone. 500/800 and 500/1005 is stable.
Jun 28 23:11:08 <torchie> I'm on 125/800
Jun 28 23:11:22 <torchie> I'm guessing 125 would totally destroy music performance huh
Jun 28 23:11:23 <BeeRad> Dude...
Jun 28 23:11:30 <BeeRad> 125 isn't recommended.
Jun 28 23:11:39 <torchie> really?
Jun 28 23:11:40 <BeeRad> Feel free to try, but it could get janky.
Jun 28 23:11:42 <torchie> back to something higher then
Jun 28 23:12:10 <BeeRad> Im not the voice of internals bro, Im just saying what I've witnessed and heard.
Jun 28 23:12:21 <torchie> what have you witnessed :o
Jun 28 23:12:25 <torchie> sounds like you've got horror stories
Jun 28 23:13:35 <BeeRad> 250 started to get twitchy sometimes.
Jun 28 23:13:38 <jhoatt> 125 is pointless
Jun 28 23:13:42 <BeeRad> Rare, but it did.
Jun 28 23:13:43 <jhoatt> don't use it
Jun 28 23:13:44 <idontwan2know> In my experience, scaling down below 500mhz is not worthwhile.
Jun 28 23:13:50 <BeeRad> Agreed.
Jun 28 23:13:52 <boon_> why i ant change the profil by gonah ?
Jun 28 23:14:05 <BeeRad> 500 idle is the best
Jun 28 23:14:27 <idontwan2know> It's just going to take longer to wake up and I don't think it saves any power.
Jun 28 23:15:34 <jhoatt> 125 is too slow. it's actually faster and more efficient to have things complete at a fster speed than to try to use 500
Jun 28 23:15:40 <BeeRad> I ran Warthog with 250/1005 and it was pretty good. It would hesitate from time when waking up.
Jun 28 23:15:46 <jhoatt> 125 I mean
Jun 28 23:16:14 <boon_> i just
Jun 28 23:16:28 <torchie> i see
Jun 28 23:16:49 <torchie> 500 it is then
Jun 28 23:16:51 <BeeRad> torchie: Just run 500/800 and enjoy it.
Jun 28 23:16:53 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 28 23:17:16 <torchie> now about the swap memory
Jun 28 23:18:30 <torchie> would that mess up the storage?
Jun 28 23:19:06 <jhoatt> no
Jun 28 23:19:24 <jhoatt> here are my recommendations
Jun 28 23:19:46 <jhoatt> overclock, compcache and faster card animations
Jun 28 23:20:08 <jhoatt> makes the device feel different
Jun 28 23:20:36 <jhoatt> ymmv. and i 'm not responsible if anything happens.. etc etc
Jun 28 23:20:57 <torchie> I set the compcache mem limit to 128 -- is that recommended
Jun 28 23:21:08 <BeeRad> and lite list launcher is actually faster than the icons. No lie.
Jun 28 23:22:14 <BeeRad> Maybe its placebo, but after I installed that patch...it actually felt snappier.
Jun 28 23:29:05 <torchie> alright let's try some things with these settings
Jun 28 23:31:09 <jhoatt> torchie unnecessary
Jun 28 23:31:18 <torchie> really?
Jun 28 23:31:23 <jhoatt> try it with16 first
Jun 28 23:31:51 <jhoatt> don't just change lots of knobs at the same time
Jun 28 23:32:45 <torchie> but but but
Jun 28 23:32:57 <jhoatt> dont
Jun 28 23:38:19 <torchie> (but)
Jun 28 23:38:30 <jhoatt> dont
Jun 28 23:39:12 <torchie> I mean you gotta see how hot the stove gets right
Jun 28 23:39:27 <jhoatt> fine. lick the stove.
Jun 28 23:42:06 <torchie> huh.
Jun 28 23:43:52 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 28 23:46:40 <torchie> now how long may I lick the stove before it begins to burn
Jun 28 23:49:44 <BeeRad> Fair enough?
Jun 28 23:49:44 <BeeRad> Until you feel you've learned your lesson and should have listened to us in the first place.
Jun 28 23:49:45 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 28 23:51:45 <torchie> what happens on too high a limit?
Jun 28 23:56:41 <BeeRad> Apparently nothing. Mines always on 128.
Jun 28 23:58:43 <torchie> how long have you had yours?
Jun 28 23:58:52 <torchie> how long's it been on 128?
Jun 28 23:59:29 <uNiXpSyChO> FYI: BeeRad has a Pre+
Jun 28 23:59:45 <BeeRad> Yes, sorry.
Jun 29 00:02:14 <BeeRad> uNiXpSyChO: Can you give an example of why too high or too low is not recommended. Clear things up.
Jun 29 00:02:56 <torchie> oh right, maybe beerad doesn't go too far into the swap
Jun 29 00:03:09 <torchie> well flash memory's not so great on the constant read/write right?
Jun 29 00:03:27 <uNiXpSyChO> just dont do it
Jun 29 00:03:27 <torchie> and that's why a lot of the time there's not even swap
Jun 29 00:04:15 <uNiXpSyChO> Advanced Computers 210: disable swap and things will run much faster.
Jun 29 00:04:30 <torchie> what's the max recommended for pre?
Jun 29 00:04:34 <torchie> oh yeah, there is that
Jun 29 00:04:39 <jhoatt> unixpsycho will be releasing a patch that randomly deletes
Jun 29 00:04:43 <jhoatt> one file
Jun 29 00:04:55 <jhoatt> if you set it to 128
Jun 29 00:05:06 <uNiXpSyChO> rm -f /boot/uImage
Jun 29 00:06:13 <uNiXpSyChO> anything over 32meg on a Pre is getting hairy.
Jun 29 00:07:34 <BeeRad> jhoatt: lol
Jun 29 00:08:13 <jhoatt> I just saw the patch...
Jun 29 00:11:42 <BeeRad> I think I'm getting a Pixi Plus here quick too so I can post any noteworthy updates for it too.
Jun 29 00:12:10 <BeeRad> Plus I just want that little fella to kick some arse.
Jun 29 00:13:01 <jhoatt> heck I want a pixi plus to test changes on
Jun 29 00:13:31 <BeeRad> I LOVE how fast the Pre boots now. <3
Jun 29 00:33:13 <tim> I have a Palm Pre emulator running SDK 1.4.5, and I'd like to do network address translation on it.  "iptables -t nat -Lvn" fails because there is no "nat" table.  Do I have to compile my own kernel to get NAT, or is there a kernel module I can download and install?
Jun 29 00:40:04 <rwhitby> BeeRad: you can't yank the video now, I changed the password ;)
Jun 29 00:43:33 <BeeRad> And just when I was starting to find my place in all this......
Jun 29 00:43:34 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 29 00:45:04 <BeeRad> rwhitby takes the wind out of my sails. *sad trombone*
Jun 29 00:45:36 <rwhitby> heh, check again :)
Jun 29 00:49:08 <BeeRad> Just playin mate.
Jun 29 01:00:46 <en0x> heh
Jun 29 01:00:53 <BeeRad> So who in here has a Pixi Plus with Uber and Govnah running?
Jun 29 01:01:02 <en0x> those cock suckers at att didnt want to sell me palm pixi with no commitment
Jun 29 01:01:03 <BeeRad> ..And compcache...
Jun 29 01:01:09 <en0x> because i'm not an att customer
Jun 29 01:01:09 <en0x> :S
Jun 29 01:01:18 <BeeRad> They wouldnt sell it off contract?
Jun 29 01:01:23 <en0x> BeeRad: nope :S
Jun 29 01:01:48 <en0x> i told them that they are full of shit...
Jun 29 01:01:50 <BeeRad> Wow.
Jun 29 01:02:24 <en0x> come on man
Jun 29 01:02:25 <BeeRad> Any place else around you that has them? Ive bought phones off contract from Walmart before.
Jun 29 01:02:35 <en0x> u r willing to pay 300 bucks for a phone
Jun 29 01:02:46 <en0x> and they dont want to sell it to you because u have no att account
Jun 29 01:11:08 <Tman> en0x: just get it off ebay. I bought one used for $120, which is fairly low, but you can expect to get one for $150 or less probably
Jun 29 01:11:26 <Tman> (often new)
Jun 29 01:12:25 <Wolvenhaven> my palm pre plus was $120
Jun 29 01:12:31 <Wolvenhaven> but i'm an att customer
Jun 29 01:12:39 <Wolvenhaven> the bastards treat new customers better than old ones
Jun 29 01:12:48 <Wolvenhaven> if you made a new account and signed up, the pre plus was only $50
Jun 29 01:13:17 <en0x> yap
Jun 29 01:19:34 * Tman now has a working multithreaded PDK app using SDL, OpenGL, Agar, and alsa
Jun 29 01:19:43 <Tman> exciting :)
Jun 29 01:19:45 <BeeRad> Wolvehaven: Do you have Uber/Govnah/Compcache all installed and running?
Jun 29 01:20:03 <Wolvenhaven> i have no idea what any of those are
Jun 29 01:20:20 <Tman> BeeRad: I do.. on a sprint pre
Jun 29 01:22:03 <BeeRad> Hows it running? Big improvement or HUGE improvement?
Jun 29 01:22:15 <Wolvenhaven> what are those programs?
Jun 29 01:23:24 <Tman> BeeRad: hah it's hard to guage, since webos performance tends to fluctuate. I restarted my phone earlier and was really impressed with the smoothness but found that it was still running at 500 at the time
Jun 29 01:23:42 <Tman> BeeRad: but at 800 it does seem a lot more responsive and enjoyable
Jun 29 01:23:50 <BeeRad> 800!?
Jun 29 01:24:02 <BeeRad> Oh you said PRE
Jun 29 01:24:04 <BeeRad> Nevermind.
Jun 29 01:24:11 <BeeRad> Im asking about the Pixi specifically.
Jun 29 01:24:38 <Tman> lol k. I just got a pixi so I might be able to do some testing on it in a few days
Jun 29 01:25:08 <BeeRad> Would you guys trust an Ebay seller with a rating of 98.1%?
Jun 29 01:26:47 <Tman> personally I probably would
Jun 29 01:26:54 <Tman> if everything seems reasonable
Jun 29 01:26:59 <en0x> how many items he sold?
Jun 29 01:29:05 <BeeRad> 95 Sold
Jun 29 01:29:31 <Tman> i'm pretty sure ebay protects you as a buyer these days
Jun 29 01:29:33 <BeeRad> 151 Transactions total.
Jun 29 01:30:18 <BeeRad> Verizon Pixi Plus going for $96 right now.
Jun 29 01:30:28 <BeeRad> Seems legit. (I think)
Jun 29 01:30:28 <Tman> buy it now or bid?
Jun 29 01:30:31 <BeeRad> Bid
Jun 29 01:30:43 <BeeRad> 1hr 24min left
Jun 29 01:30:51 <Tman> yeah. they tend to shoot up in the last few minutes
Jun 29 01:31:23 <jhoattt> eu band gsm pixi plus . that's what I want
Jun 29 01:31:37 <Tman> set a price you're willing to buy it at, and pounce in the last 2 minutes, and try to be the last bidder standing :p
Jun 29 01:31:53 <Wolvenhaven> it's such a stupid system
Jun 29 01:32:01 <Wolvenhaven> i like the auction house online bidding rules
Jun 29 01:32:08 <Wolvenhaven> everytime someone bids, it resets the counter to 15min
Jun 29 01:32:17 <BeeRad> Im so anal about my stuff. I dont like buying used. Im so snobby sometimes..... lol
Jun 29 01:32:21 <Wolvenhaven> the last person to bid after 15min are up, after the auction time has run out, wins
Jun 29 01:32:44 <Wolvenhaven> it stops people from using sniper programs
Jun 29 01:32:52 <Tman> BeeRad: I'm usually that way, but since this was for development and not an actual phone I didn't mind getting used :p
Jun 29 01:32:53 <Wolvenhaven> and shell bidding doesn't work as well
Jun 29 01:33:08 <Tman> Wolvenhaven: yeah that makes a lot more sense to me
Jun 29 01:33:26 <Wolvenhaven> it's a great system, and it keeps you from getting bid fever
Jun 29 01:33:31 <Wolvenhaven> but ebay likes bid fever
Jun 29 01:34:25 <torchie> hmm
Jun 29 01:34:35 <torchie> does the device take a performance hit if you leave developer mode on?
Jun 29 01:35:36 <Tman> torchie: nope
Jun 29 01:37:02 <BeeRad> Ditto that
Jun 29 01:37:32 <BeeRad> I have the patch for the dev mode icon to stay, so I can flick the switch if need be. But I dont.....ever,
Jun 29 01:37:38 <jhoattt> it just turns the firewall off
Jun 29 01:37:39 <BeeRad> I change stuff too much.
Jun 29 01:38:00 <jhoattt> so keep that in mind
Jun 29 01:38:09 <Tman> ok guys so awhile back I think my phone restarted while installing the "No auto-off while charging" patch, and it seems to be in a half-applied state, and I can't update or remove it.. what are my options :/
Jun 29 01:38:45 <torchie> apparently typing ##logs# in launcher disables logging?
Jun 29 01:38:51 <Tman> will EPR fix this? I'd rather not but I suppose if I have to.. it seems to cause my phone's screen to never shut off automatically which is a problem
Jun 29 01:39:25 <torchie> oh, phone app
Jun 29 01:39:37 <Tman> torchie: In the phone app, it brings up some logging options (idk if you can disable it or not)
Jun 29 01:40:08 <torchie> huh, some of the letters aren't registering
Jun 29 01:40:17 <torchie> no logging options coming up
Jun 29 01:41:04 <en0x> did anyone tried to get verizon's pixi/pre on sprint?
Jun 29 01:43:05 <torchie> do you type it in the main screen of the phone app?
Jun 29 01:43:27 <torchie> oh!
Jun 29 01:43:29 <torchie> you use the numbers
Jun 29 01:44:21 <Tman> :p
Jun 29 01:44:51 <torchie> lol
Jun 29 01:47:29 * Tman is running WebOS Repair Utility
Jun 29 02:08:16 <BeeRad> Tman, I think you're gonna have to run EPR.
Jun 29 02:08:53 <Tman> BeeRad: yeah :/ doesn't look like the repair utility did anything
Jun 29 02:09:05 <BeeRad> How many patches do you have installed/
Jun 29 02:09:07 <BeeRad> ?
Jun 29 02:09:27 <Tman> let me look
Jun 29 02:10:44 <Tman> 26
Jun 29 02:11:01 <Tman> less than I thought
Jun 29 02:11:43 <BeeRad> 26 Patches!!!???? Good lord man...
Jun 29 02:11:56 <BeeRad> And here I was guilty of 14.
Jun 29 02:12:02 <Tman> hahah :p
Jun 29 02:13:31 <BeeRad> EPR man. Sorry
Jun 29 02:13:45 <Tman> yep
Jun 29 02:13:49 <BeeRad> Unless someone else way smart than me can help the poor guy.
Jun 29 02:13:51 <Tman> I'll just make a list and reinstall them
Jun 29 02:14:06 <BeeRad> Saved package list in Preware will have it.
Jun 29 02:14:29 <Tman> oh does it reinstall them for you?
Jun 29 02:14:57 <BeeRad> You can do individual or select install all.
Jun 29 02:15:03 <BeeRad> But it has apps in there too.
Jun 29 02:15:34 <Tman> ok, so if I run EPR from preware it will keep those patches in the list?
Jun 29 02:15:54 <Tman> (or probably anywhere for that matter)
Jun 29 02:16:30 <BeeRad> Do you have Save/Restore?
Jun 29 02:17:19 <Tman> which is?
Jun 29 02:17:27 <BeeRad> Internals app.
Jun 29 02:17:32 <BeeRad> Saves data.
Jun 29 02:17:38 <Tman> no
Jun 29 02:17:43 <BeeRad> Look it up in Preware.
Jun 29 02:17:46 <BeeRad> Install it.
Jun 29 02:17:49 <BeeRad> Must have.
Jun 29 02:17:59 <Tman> do I need it though? what is the saved package list good for in that case :p
Jun 29 02:18:45 <BeeRad> Honestly, I can't remember if after EPT if the patches stay in the saved package list.
Jun 29 02:18:58 <BeeRad> EPR
Jun 29 02:19:10 <Tman> so will save/restore help? :p
Jun 29 02:19:30 <Tman> ah, preware
Jun 29 02:19:32 <BeeRad> Save Restore helps with everything. It saves app data.
Jun 29 02:19:45 <BeeRad> It saves the Preware data.
Jun 29 02:19:53 <Tman> great
Jun 29 02:23:07 <jhojho> anyone know how to bring up the equivalent of ##LOGS# on an att phone?
Jun 29 02:23:12 <BeeRad> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SaveRestore
Jun 29 02:23:24 <BeeRad> Tman
Jun 29 02:24:40 <BeeRad> Speak of the Devil.....there was an update for it.
Jun 29 02:28:17 <Abyssul> jhojho, couldn't you just make the app visible by editing the appinfo.json?
Jun 29 02:28:30 <Abyssul> Works for the Sprint Pre
Jun 29 02:28:45 <jhojho> ?
Jun 29 02:29:21 <Abyssul> ##LOGS# just opens the Collect Logs app that is stored in the usr/palm/applications folder
Jun 29 02:29:35 <Abyssul> but by default, the app is not visible
Jun 29 02:29:37 <jhojho> guess I could
Jun 29 02:29:57 <Abyssul> Thats if you can't find a easier way through the phone app of course
Jun 29 02:36:35 <hborders> I'm trying to build liboauth in the cross-compile system.  I think I've got my Makefile set up properly, and I don't get any errors when i build my static lib, but running ar -t liboauth.a yields no .o files.  Can anyone help me out?
Jun 29 02:39:04 <Tman> hborders: have you tried just linking to the .a file?
Jun 29 02:39:17 <hborders> that's what I'm doing
Jun 29 02:39:53 <hborders> I get errors like these:
Jun 29 02:39:55 <hborders> oauthexample.c:(.text+0x38): undefined reference to `oauth_split_url_parameters'
Jun 29 02:40:16 <hborders> I've modified the pdk examples simple build script to build
Jun 29 02:40:20 <hborders> here is my build line:
Jun 29 02:41:12 <hborders> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -I/opt/PalmPDK/include -I/opt/PalmPDK/include/SDL -I/Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac --sysroot=/opt/PalmPDK/arm-gcc/sysroot -L/opt/PalmPDK/device/lib -L/Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined /Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac/liboauth.
Jun 29 02:41:12 <hborders> -lSDL -lGLESv2 -loauth -o Build_Device/oauthexample oauthexample.c
Jun 29 02:42:25 <Tman> hborders: you should list the .a file along with the c source file, rather than having a -l parameter
Jun 29 02:42:33 <hborders> I want to create a static lib because I don't know how to deploy on the pdk with dynamic libs
Jun 29 02:42:43 <hborders> I did that first, but I'll try it again really quick
Jun 29 02:42:47 <Tman> yeah static is usually the way to go
Jun 29 02:43:46 <hborders> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -I/opt/PalmPDK/include -I/opt/PalmPDK/include/SDL -I/Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac --sysroot=/opt/PalmPDK/arm-gcc/sysroot -L/opt/PalmPDK/device/lib -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined /Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac/liboauth.a -lSDL -lGLESv2 -o Build_Device/oauthexample oauthexample.c
Jun 29 02:43:53 <hborders> Same errors
Jun 29 02:44:22 <Tman> hmm. try putting it last?
Jun 29 02:44:55 <hborders> ok. why would that matter? (trying it now)
Jun 29 02:45:16 <Tman> sometimes you have to play with the compiler a little bit :p
Jun 29 02:45:35 <hborders> same errors
Jun 29 02:45:39 <Tman> in any case, if there really aren't any objects in the archive, it obviously didn't build right
Jun 29 02:45:51 <Tman> WIDK is what I use for cross-compiling any library
Jun 29 02:46:38 <hborders> can I post my Makefile somewhere for you to look at really quick?
Jun 29 02:46:56 <Tman> I can take a look sure
Jun 29 02:47:05 <hborders> thanks.  preferred location or just pastebin?
Jun 29 02:47:08 <Tman> are you not using the library's build system though?
Jun 29 02:47:12 <Tman> pastebin is fine
Jun 29 02:50:07 <hborders> I am using the lib's build system
Jun 29 02:50:19 <BeeRad> That Pixi went for $145 btw.
Jun 29 02:50:30 <hborders> http://webos.pastebin.com/umHt8UZh
Jun 29 02:50:34 <jhojho>  hborders  are you compiling for the pixi?
Jun 29 02:50:38 <Tman> BeeRad: see.. told you it would shoot up :p
Jun 29 02:50:42 <hborders> no, for the pre
Jun 29 02:50:48 <BeeRad> Tman: Indeed.
Jun 29 02:51:05 <jhojho> well you need to remove this
Jun 29 02:51:06 <jhojho> -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp
Jun 29 02:51:18 <jhojho> at least remove it while debugging
Jun 29 02:51:28 <Tman> hborders: ah so you are using WIDK.. good
Jun 29 02:51:32 <jhojho> that invocation is btw for a pixi
Jun 29 02:51:48 <jhojho> pre should be something like -mcpu=cortex-a8  etc. etc.
Jun 29 02:52:01 <hborders> oh, you're talking about my compiler?
Jun 29 02:52:06 <hborders> it says that that works for both
Jun 29 02:52:13 <BeeRad> jhojho: you're rockin a Pixi correct?
Jun 29 02:52:19 <jhojho> no
Jun 29 02:52:24 <jhojho> I want to rock a pixi
Jun 29 02:52:31 <BeeRad> Crap, who am I thinking of...grr.
Jun 29 02:52:37 <BeeRad> We need a Pixi army.
Jun 29 02:52:53 <jhojho> I should take up a collection for a pixi
Jun 29 02:53:03 <jhojho> make it easier to build kernels for.
Jun 29 02:53:04 <BeeRad> "Real men use Pixi's" <---make it happen.
Jun 29 02:53:12 <jhojho> instead of flogging ka6sox
Jun 29 02:53:18 <hborders> this is the output from "at -t liboauth.a":
Jun 29 02:53:28 <hborders> /
Jun 29 02:53:32 <hborders> oops
Jun 29 02:53:33 <hborders> sorry
Jun 29 02:53:47 <BeeRad> jhojho: Isnt it rwhitby 's job to get you a dev phone? :P
Jun 29 02:53:57 <hborders> its multiline
Jun 29 02:54:00 <jhojho> nah
Jun 29 02:54:02 <hborders> anyways, the lines look like this:
Jun 29 02:54:07 <hborders>  /64
Jun 29 02:54:10 <hborders>  /0
Jun 29 02:54:11 <BeeRad> (kidding)
Jun 29 02:54:12 <hborders>  /21
Jun 29 02:54:14 <hborders>  /41
Jun 29 02:55:49 <Tman> hborders: it looks about right, I'm trying to build it in my environment, but may have to wait on some updated packages.. -_-
Jun 29 02:56:24 <hborders> I pulled from git last night.  I should be up to date
Jun 29 02:57:34 <Tman> ok building
Jun 29 02:59:08 <hborders> awesome
Jun 29 02:59:26 <hborders> I'd really like to contribute this upstream if possible
Jun 29 02:59:53 <Tman> hborders: I ran ar -t on `staging/armv7/usr/lib/liboauth.a` and got four files
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 29 02:59:57 2010