**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 01 02:59:57 2010 Jul 01 03:01:11 lonelygrrl: What brand is that one for? Jul 01 03:01:20 Mercury: caslte, wr Jul 01 03:02:45 i meant castle Jul 01 03:02:56 well, I have my non-pulsing palm logo back... so at least now I know I can change all of the system screens Jul 01 03:03:40 including the non-pulsing palm... the USB logo... the "Very low battery" logo Jul 01 03:04:30 this isn't something that can be done through a simple patch though... through a linux script yes, so it could be sxpanded on and put into preware... Jul 01 03:04:54 cryptk, can you find the chip with the arrow, the symbol for when its in USB HD mode? Jul 01 03:05:00 requires reconfiguring the bootloader and reflashing the nvram... but it can be done without any data loss on the phone Jul 01 03:05:20 that isn't one of the system logos Jul 01 03:05:26 but I can see if I can find that one Jul 01 03:06:11 ka6sox, the ones I can change are... if you go into the metadoc build folder, then the version folder, then into resources... Jul 01 03:06:19 open the WebOS.tar Jul 01 03:06:22 the ones in there Jul 01 03:06:30 but I can do it without doing a doctor Jul 01 03:06:36 are tehy all TGA's? Jul 01 03:06:43 in fact I jsut did it from having the images on my /media/internal Jul 01 03:06:44 yes Jul 01 03:07:29 all it takes is a modified castle.xml, whatever images you want, then send it all to /sbin/trenchcoat Jul 01 03:07:45 my end goal is eliminating the palm splash screens completely so we can see scrolling text Jul 01 03:08:24 assuming that the video driver is loaded early enough. Jul 01 03:08:33 yes Jul 01 03:09:37 I am thinking the static palm logo is only shown by bootie while the kernel image is decompressed/loaded into memory Jul 01 03:09:56 I think the one I should really go after is getting rid of the pulsing logo Jul 01 03:10:39 * lonelygrrl suddenly have a funny feeling because of some dude trying to get rid of the pulsing logo Jul 01 03:11:21 lol Jul 01 03:11:26 cryptk: I think you should have a look at a patch, Jul 01 03:11:27 what is wrong with the pulsing logo Jul 01 03:11:37 which patch? Jul 01 03:11:43 there isn't one that I know of Jul 01 03:11:58 I'm doctoring my phone right now, but there is a patch called the tux logo or something like that Jul 01 03:12:08 I don't want to change the logo Jul 01 03:12:11 I want to get rid of it Jul 01 03:12:17 I want to see scrolling text Jul 01 03:12:24 call me old school Jul 01 03:12:33 ah cryptk I see Jul 01 03:12:40 it is easy to change the pulsing logo Jul 01 03:12:51 and now I know that it is also easy to change the static one also Jul 01 03:13:15 anyone want their phone to say webos-internals when their phone first turns on? lol Jul 01 03:13:25 cryptk: does that mean that we have to get the whatever-it's-called Jul 01 03:13:28 framebuffer Jul 01 03:13:34 driver up and running? Jul 01 03:13:40 well, I haven't made much progress on the pulsing one yet Jul 01 03:14:03 well, there would need to be some kind of driver loaded to be able to output to the framebuffer, yes Jul 01 03:15:11 lol it's kind of freaky seeing a dude turning on his phone and has a bunch of scrolling text on a black background Jul 01 03:15:25 definitely not someone to mess with Jul 01 03:16:45 I had that on my iPod, lol Jul 01 03:17:16 every computer/portable deviceI own runs or has run linux at some point Jul 01 03:17:29 PSP's iPods xBoxes playstations... Jul 01 03:17:49 after this project the toaster is getting Linux, lol Jul 01 03:18:26 this gotta be the year of linux Jul 01 03:20:19 btw the patches of metadr works just fine with 145 Jul 01 03:20:24 it seems like Jul 01 03:21:34 here go's adding webos-internals to the non-pulsing logo Jul 01 03:22:20 HAHAHA IT WORKS!!! Jul 01 03:22:47 my non pulsing splash has webos-internals under it now... rwhitby, ka6sox either of you two want in on this magic? Jul 01 03:22:48 nerd. Jul 01 03:22:51 lol Jul 01 03:23:55 of course the effect ends once the pulsing splash comes on... Jul 01 03:25:02 ok so 1.4.5 works! Jul 01 03:25:28 I don't think any of this is grounbreaking or anything, but it is still alot of fun for me, haha Jul 01 03:25:48 can somebody pull a /boot/config-2.6.24-joplin and post it someplace? Jul 01 03:26:41 nm...I can do it myself :D Jul 01 03:29:57 ka6sox, which chip with arrow were you talking about? Jul 01 03:30:22 the one when its flashing the device during doctoring. Jul 01 03:30:27 oh yeah Jul 01 03:30:30 I can change that one Jul 01 03:30:38 sorry, thought you were talking about when it is USB drive mode Jul 01 03:30:57 but yeah, the doctoring USB image is changeable the same way as the static palm logo Jul 01 03:31:00 that one I want to know where it lives. Jul 01 03:31:11 it is in the NVRAM outside of the linux FS Jul 01 03:31:24 but I can give instructions on how to change it if you want Jul 01 03:31:25 the USB drive one? Jul 01 03:31:48 you can't access that file by normal means... that includes root access Jul 01 03:31:54 but I can put a new one in Jul 01 03:31:59 and replace the one that is there Jul 01 03:32:28 you wanna change yours? Jul 01 03:32:39 or do you just want a copy of it Jul 01 03:33:01 because I have copies of all of them Jul 01 03:33:29 yes :D Jul 01 03:33:54 msg me your email addy and I will send it to you, or if you have metadoc you can jsut grab them from inside there Jul 01 03:56:36 Anybody know how late Verizon customer service is available? lol Jul 01 03:57:26 they have customer service? Jul 01 03:57:58 it's probably 24/7, you'll just wind up talking to someone in australia or something Jul 01 03:59:15 *that* would be a pleasure compared to what I normally get. Jul 01 03:59:28 no, he'll still be indian Jul 01 03:59:33 just based in australia Jul 01 03:59:37 follow the sun around Jul 01 04:00:18 att is 24/7, so verison should be too Jul 01 04:12:20 Interesting. Pixi Plus on Vodaphone has a webOS 1.4.1.2 Jul 01 04:12:40 from 28 April Jul 01 04:15:07 well, I guess in lieu of ditching the splash... hafing it say webos internals all the way through will do... Jul 01 04:16:53 rwhitby, do OTA updates redo bootie? Jul 01 04:17:03 as in will I lose my newly customized static logo? Jul 01 04:17:28 or is this a "lets wait and find out" type of deal Jul 01 04:18:50 cryptk: I doubt that an OTA update would redo bootie or the nvram pictures Jul 01 04:19:08 ok Jul 01 04:21:24 cryptk: I am working on a save/restore script to save some of these customized image files for the phone ("boot logos", "Lock screen background", "lock icon", etc.). if you have any ideas or know of specific file you want backed up, please reply to http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2533940 Jul 01 04:21:47 none of the images I am playing with will bea ble to be touched by saverestore Jul 01 04:21:55 but thanks for the offer though Jul 01 04:22:00 oh... why is that? Jul 01 04:22:09 they are the images in the NVRAM Jul 01 04:22:21 ones like the USB logo that shows up when you are doctoring the phone Jul 01 04:22:28 they aren't in the linux filesystem Jul 01 04:22:33 oh... gotcha Jul 01 04:22:44 as far as I know only bootie can access them Jul 01 04:22:54 well, if you (or anyone) know of other files that you would want backed up, please post to that link! :-) Jul 01 04:23:12 I know where alot of those are stored at though, I will reply with some info Jul 01 04:23:50 yea... the few things i mentioned above i already have taken care of.... Jul 01 04:24:11 just didnt know of any others. but, to be safe, please respond with anything you think would be good to be included Jul 01 04:25:20 Audemars02: we should back up /dev/tokens/* Jul 01 04:25:32 what is that? Jul 01 04:27:05 the NVRAM tokens which are unique to your device. e.g. Accellerometer calibration and Wifi & BT mac addresses Jul 01 04:27:26 any good hacker has a backup of it (just in case) Jul 01 04:27:39 it is one of the few things that a doctor can't replace Jul 01 04:29:26 gotcha. what "app id" should i tie that to? the backup app? also, is there any risk of doing something back by doing a restore of those files? Jul 01 04:29:39 i.e. this isnt something the normal user may understand... Jul 01 04:33:42 night time for me... have a good night everybody! Jul 01 04:34:10 gn Jul 01 04:34:16 Audemars02: we would not restore those Jul 01 04:34:26 Audemars02: dunno about which appid yet Jul 01 04:34:34 rwhitby, a doctor would reflash the NVRAM though right? Jul 01 04:34:40 cryptk: no Jul 01 04:34:43 hrm... Jul 01 04:34:56 so if you bork this up, then is there an easy way to fix it? Jul 01 04:34:57 if you loose your accel calibration, you've lost it forever Jul 01 04:35:14 no, not the tokens, sorry, talking about the bootie images Jul 01 04:35:39 the ones I am customizing (and writing up a wiki page about) Jul 01 04:35:59 cryptk: if bootie is gone, and you reboot, then you can't doctor until you do an omap3_usbload of a new bootloader Jul 01 04:36:08 like the static palm logo, the USB logo when the phone is in recovery mode... Jul 01 04:36:23 ok, I will put on a hefty disclaimer then... Jul 01 04:36:25 ah, bootie pictures will be reflashed Jul 01 04:36:33 and have a link to last resort as well jsut in case Jul 01 04:40:21 pretty much ripped off the warning from UberKernel and tweaked it a bit since it isn't a program... Jul 01 04:41:54 rwhitby, would there be a problem with having the original bootie images on the wiki? Jul 01 04:42:30 cryptk: yes. instead put instructions on how to extract from a doctor. Jul 01 04:42:34 ok Jul 01 04:42:47 the unpack-doctor scripts in meta-doctor/scripts will do it fine Jul 01 04:45:29 ok Jul 01 04:49:37 rwhitby, yes, but that won't work on windows Jul 01 04:50:00 I am looking for something cross platform, so I am planning on jsut telling them to unpack the doctor with something like WinRAR Jul 01 04:50:02 or WinZIP Jul 01 04:52:36 cryptk: sure. Jul 01 04:53:01 HAHA, just noticed the /sbin/trenchcoat --help text Jul 01 04:53:24 trenchcoat - used for flashing (storage, not body parts) Jul 01 04:53:31 lol Jul 01 05:12:42 My Updates is stating that application updates are available, when none are. And I already went through and did the preware updates as well. Known oddity? Jul 01 05:14:56 Odd interaction with preware? Unrelated that's just a webos thing and not to bother with here? Jul 01 05:19:08 Mercury, it is a known oddity Jul 01 05:19:13 rwhitby, ping Jul 01 05:19:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie_Themes Jul 01 05:19:35 feel free to make any changes Jul 01 05:21:32 rwhitby, would it be ok to have the static palm logo I modified to have Webos Internals under it on the wiki page? Jul 01 05:47:12 ok, I am off for the night... I have contributed my hack for the day... Jul 01 05:47:32 hack a day! Jul 01 05:47:43 nite cryptk Jul 01 05:47:45 nite Jul 01 05:47:54 GL with your code polishing Jul 01 05:48:07 lots do to. Jul 01 05:48:27 same here... I have alot of bootie images to customize... Jul 01 05:48:40 and I am going to work on a linux script to automate this stuff... Jul 01 05:48:59 maybe if we can find a way to make it safe enough it could be in preware Jul 01 05:49:10 but I don't know if this will ever be considered "safe" Jul 01 06:42:49 anyone interested in the files contained in german webos 1.4.5 update? Jul 01 07:07:03 DThought: we already have the doctor, and the list of changed packages was posted on the @webosinternals twitter account earlier Jul 01 07:07:33 ah, k ;-) Jul 01 07:07:43 it didn't validate for me *sigh* Jul 01 07:12:10 rwhitby: Now just the wait for the various carrier releases. Jul 01 07:27:10 rwhitby: i think i found a problem with a patch Jul 01 07:27:37 good Jul 01 07:27:59 rotated batt icon patch, device menu can't be clicked off when clicked on. must be left/back wiped away Jul 01 07:33:45 ok, have you reported it to the patch author Jul 01 07:35:29 no, thought it might be related to the patch update, wanted to check with you first Jul 01 07:38:16 if the patch applies cleanly, then it's the patch author's problem from there. Jul 01 07:52:48 nice the email works from preware Jul 01 08:33:14 i submit a new palindrome, ver Jul 01 08:33:33 er, rev ver Jul 01 08:34:08 too late for my brain to get wrapped around that. Jul 01 08:36:08 hmm - strange that my other P100UEU hasn't got an update yet. Jul 01 09:57:38 room alive? Jul 01 09:57:59 has there been any 1.4.5 updates on sprint pre's in us as of now? Jul 01 10:16:04 sup folks? Jul 01 10:16:33 RIP Palm! Jul 01 11:27:36 lol Jul 01 11:56:18 hi all I got the pre with 1.4.5... I somehow can't login into my icq account selecting AIM in the messenger and then typing in my icqid and my password... anyone got the same issues that icq doesn't run selecting the aim plugin in the palm messaging app? Jul 01 12:02:39 oh they added icq in 1.4.5? Jul 01 12:47:08 wowser Jul 01 12:47:24 Flashpass-work: your net connection appears to be made of epic fail Jul 01 13:54:56 does anyone know ldap? Jul 01 14:08:51 Marajin, its funny considering his company telepacific.net is a provider to T1 circuits :D Jul 01 14:19:49 en0x: unfortunately they didn't add icq or facebook chat to 1.4.5 :( Jul 01 14:33:09 is preware running on webos 1.4.5? Jul 01 15:34:22 so, I am thinking of making a whole set of Webos Internals themed bootie images Jul 01 15:38:20 anyone know of a way to package image data into a shell script? Jul 01 15:38:29 I used to know of a way to do it, but I can't remember Jul 01 16:20:00 I actually hope 1.4.5 hits everywhere before I get my replacement phone. Jul 01 16:53:40 welcome to HP everyone :D Jul 01 17:11:02 beelzabub: glad to have you Jul 01 17:47:56 Yesterday we got shirts that can only be described as "the farewell tour" Jul 01 17:49:51 i'm not sure what that means Jul 01 17:50:27 so the palm tour is still on track? Jul 01 18:01:51 well looks like it is Jul 01 18:01:58 tomorrow they will be in my city ;d Jul 01 18:14:30 hi guys! do you know a way of getting statistics about what apps use the data connection? Jul 01 18:15:44 when i enable my data connection it usually takes about half a day and my 200mb volume is gone... without me even using the phone... so i'd like to know the cause of that Jul 01 18:16:52 Do you use exchange? Jul 01 18:16:58 no Jul 01 18:17:08 gmail my personal imap server Jul 01 18:17:19 on idle setting Jul 01 18:17:42 but that shouldn't eat that much..since i don't get that many mails Jul 01 18:17:56 pandora? Jul 01 18:18:07 and it would dl only the headers at first..or not? Jul 01 18:18:10 no pandora Jul 01 18:18:12 radio track doesn't account for much Jul 01 18:18:18 traffic Jul 01 18:18:21 as i said, without using the phone Jul 01 18:18:28 it just sits in the corner doing nothing Jul 01 18:18:31 no apps open.. Jul 01 18:21:20 so no statistics app...hm perhaps there is something in the optware feed somewhere Jul 01 18:28:01 http://www.vimeo.com/13012018 Jul 01 18:28:01 nice Jul 01 18:43:20 nod Jul 01 19:08:30 uh oh eh Jul 01 19:47:11 Malte told me a second ago that Navit is working without the extra libs in 1.4.5 Jul 01 19:47:30 So we can start the way to Preware now , yeahhhh Jul 01 19:47:57 [; Jul 01 19:48:05 is the navit anygood? Jul 01 19:49:46 en0x I just watched the video you posted... interesting stuff Jul 01 19:50:35 en0x: what do you mean? Herer in germany it is working without Problems Jul 01 19:50:41 I uses it on a daly bases. Jul 01 19:51:23 where? Jul 01 19:51:48 Germany: Mostly Frankfurt and Cologne Jul 01 19:51:55 i see Jul 01 19:52:03 i wonder if it will work on pixi Jul 01 19:52:08 coz i be using pixi in poland Jul 01 19:52:11 my german friend Jul 01 19:52:12 :P Jul 01 19:52:28 The problem looks like the OSM maps are very good for europ but not for the rest of the world Jul 01 19:53:05 noradtux and I only have a Pre. So we can not test for the Pixi Jul 01 19:53:30 i see Jul 01 19:53:36 well pdk comes to pixi Jul 01 19:53:38 We would be happy if you give it a try. You can compile it with the normal crosscompile tc. It is in git Jul 01 19:53:41 so i think it should be able to Jul 01 19:53:52 I would expect too Jul 01 19:53:55 just i have to compile it for armv6 Jul 01 19:54:14 hape_: is the resolion for navit hardcoded? or is it dynamic? Jul 01 19:54:19 resolution* Jul 01 19:54:26 hi Jul 01 19:54:49 my irc client just notified me that someone mentioned my name ;) Jul 01 19:55:00 en0x: the resolution is dynamic Jul 01 19:55:10 nice Jul 01 19:55:21 so why not add navit to autobuilder on preware? Jul 01 19:55:26 so it will compile it for pixi and pre Jul 01 19:55:27 hmm Jul 01 19:57:08 okm time to go home Jul 01 19:57:11 bbl Jul 01 19:58:01 en0x: No it is no Jul 01 19:58:23 noradtux: Was not aware that you are herer too Jul 01 19:58:31 ;) Jul 01 19:59:31 en0x: it was necessary to ship some proprietary libs from palm with our navit packages. That was not acceptable for the autobuilder. The need for these libs is now gone :) Jul 01 20:03:57 anyone mind proofreading what I wrote about bootie theming before I make a post about it on P|C? Jul 01 20:14:40 cryptk|home: link the post when you do? i'd proofread but i don't have time... however i am interested :) Jul 01 20:15:34 I already put the post on P|C, but it is just a paragraph and a link to the wiki Jul 01 20:15:39 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie_Themes Jul 01 20:15:43 that is where the real info is at Jul 01 20:15:59 my static palm logo has Webos Internals under it now, lol Jul 01 20:16:42 cryptk|home: nice :) Jul 01 20:17:20 brb, swapping to linux Jul 01 20:18:36 back Jul 01 20:26:04 there we go... now it shouldn't destroy anything if you have custom partition sizes... Jul 01 20:26:33 unless you somehow resized the mbr, bootloader or nvram... lol Jul 01 20:29:26 dtzWill, if you want I can send you the modified bootie splash that I made with webos-internals on it... I want to put it on the wiki but I wanna check with rwhitby first... Jul 01 20:29:48 This battery thread is kind of weird Jul 01 20:29:57 The things people are reading off and comparing are moot in the grand scheme of things Jul 01 20:30:09 the pre vs centro battery thread? Jul 01 20:30:15 its p|c, what do you expect? Jul 01 20:30:42 I've told you guys in irc already how the batteries differ and are used differently on centro and pre ;) Jul 01 20:31:27 That was the thing with the dynomite, right? Jul 01 20:48:13 chrisa: its scientific proof! it must be real Jul 01 20:48:15 ;-) Jul 01 21:09:32 woot, my pulsing logo's are done now, everything matches the whole way thoguh Jul 01 21:09:38 s/though/through/ Jul 01 21:09:44 magical Jul 01 21:10:02 mine matches all the way through, too :) Jul 01 21:10:19 including the static logo? or are yours stock? Jul 01 21:10:23 lol Jul 01 21:10:25 haha, stock Jul 01 21:10:28 cheater Jul 01 21:11:08 i never really look at it Jul 01 21:11:15 mine are the stock palm logo, but it all ways Webos Internals under it now... just finished the pulsing logos Jul 01 21:11:19 Cheating is just working smarter Jul 01 21:11:30 do you reboot your phone when you're out to show people your awesome bootlogo? Jul 01 21:11:37 I think I am gonna wrap it all up into a shell script Jul 01 21:11:49 no, this was more of a "to see if I can" kinda deal Jul 01 21:12:08 ah Jul 01 21:12:12 a noble endeavor Jul 01 21:16:57 you've opened the wrong box cryptx! :P Jul 01 21:18:06 now what is the over/under on crazy themers messing up bootie lol Jul 01 21:18:26 20 on p|c breaking it somehow Jul 01 21:20:00 goddamnit vzw, where's 1.4.5 Jul 01 21:20:26 they shipped it to the wrong address Jul 01 21:20:37 egaudet, it isn't if... it is when... I made it very clear on the internals wiki that you can seriously mess things up and even gave links to Last Resort Jul 01 21:20:49 that should scare away about 30% of them right there Jul 01 21:21:38 cryptk, yeah but even "your pre WILL melt in your hand" doesn't scare away the other 70% Jul 01 21:22:06 indeed, and if they break it, it is their fault... my instructions work, I have done it several times on my own phone Jul 01 21:22:18 oh of course Jul 01 21:22:19 and it is coming from the same method that webosDoctor uses Jul 01 21:22:29 we are just substituting our own images Jul 01 21:22:47 greetings. is it normal for virtual keyboard to cycle > 10 minutes? it seems to be stuck updating. Jul 01 21:22:47 HP: webOS smartphones, slate PCs and netbooks on their way Jul 01 21:22:51 lol netbooks Jul 01 21:22:54 sethron, yes Jul 01 21:23:10 sethron, to be sure novaterm into device Jul 01 21:23:19 and tail -f /media/internal/webos-patches.log Jul 01 21:23:20 egaudet, really? it is supposed to take VKBD that long to install? Jul 01 21:23:38 btw, the bootie theming instructions have a very similar disclaimer to UberKernel on them Jul 01 21:23:38 well it does currently take WAYYYY too long Jul 01 21:23:46 next version will be speedier Jul 01 21:23:55 it's all the added images using AUPT slowness Jul 01 21:24:08 ahh Jul 01 21:24:48 egaudet: seems to laggin on /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/.themes/LPC_Dark_Rounded_2e/portrait/ippercase/n.png Jul 01 21:25:04 mode switcher has dropped my idle cpu usage down to like 0.75%/hr Jul 01 21:25:14 sethron, it's not going further than that? Jul 01 21:25:31 egaudet: been that way for quite some time now Jul 01 21:25:52 hmm Jul 01 21:26:11 sethron, this is from webos-patches.log ? Jul 01 21:27:00 egaudet: i'm still in the Downloading / Updating Reverting file screen Jul 01 21:27:16 sethron, can you novaterm in Jul 01 21:27:44 egaudet: now? in the middle on the update? Jul 01 21:28:11 Hiya Templarian, if you get free time think I can bug ya for a KeyBoss icon ? Jul 01 21:28:24 sethron, yeah Jul 01 21:28:33 dont stop the update Jul 01 21:28:35 just novaterm in Jul 01 21:28:54 egaudet: i'm not in dev mode, so i'd have to halt Preware and reboot? Jul 01 21:29:06 do you have terminal app installed? Jul 01 21:29:19 egaudet: ah, yes Jul 01 21:29:47 open it up Jul 01 21:29:51 type in Jul 01 21:30:00 tail -f /media/internal/webos-patches.log Jul 01 21:30:55 egaudet: very well. yes Jul 01 21:31:17 yes? Jul 01 21:31:32 egaudet: i typed that in Jul 01 21:31:41 what does it say Jul 01 21:31:54 is it moving a long, if not what's the last thing say Jul 01 21:32:48 (also why is it updating ?) Jul 01 21:33:13 faile md5sum: orig md5sum: palm md5sum: file: /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json file md5sum: orig md5sum: palm md5sum; Remove backup SUCCESS Jul 01 21:34:01 egaudet: Preware is still stuck on Reverting file /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/.themes/LPC_Dark_Rounded_2e/portrait/ippercase/n.png Jul 01 21:34:17 who needs n Jul 01 21:34:39 I don't know why Jul 01 21:34:52 * oilsworkn gasps Jul 01 21:34:53 if tail -f of the patches log is not continuing to go on, I don't get it Jul 01 21:35:12 that would mean the shell script stopped executing in the middle of it Jul 01 21:35:27 egaudet: roh oh Jul 01 21:35:32 * oilsworkn blames patches Jul 01 21:35:46 I dunno, maybe if Luna cancelled the service and it stopped all it's processes Jul 01 21:36:00 lol oilsworkn Jul 01 21:36:11 egaudet: close Preware and run ??? Jul 01 21:36:15 hey, so I have a quick question... does the service that is part of Preware still called ipkgservice? Jul 01 21:36:27 sethron, sounds like a plan lol Jul 01 21:36:37 sethron, give it 10 more minutes Jul 01 21:36:39 to be suuuure Jul 01 21:36:49 yeah cryptk Jul 01 21:37:31 I'm running home be back in like 20 minutes Jul 01 21:37:49 egaudet: Preware now has Check Service Access message. rebooting. Jul 01 21:38:01 W... T... Jul 01 21:38:10 What exactly does it say? Jul 01 21:38:30 he is talking about the message saying checking service access should only take a second Jul 01 21:38:41 and if it takes longer than that it means the service is hung Jul 01 21:38:45 egaudet: ... you stopped in the middle of an update and should restart..... Jul 01 21:38:46 oh Jul 01 21:39:04 yeah you are screwed! run for your life! Jul 01 21:39:18 throw dev mode on while you are at it Jul 01 21:39:28 so we can manually clean up the files if need be Jul 01 21:39:40 unless you like terminal, I'd prefer novaterm Jul 01 21:39:47 egaudet: another 5 mintes taken for my lifespan... :) Jul 01 21:40:34 alright well get dev mode on and I'll help with any further clean up when I get back home, but maybe it will -just work- after reboot :P Jul 01 21:40:37 bbiab Jul 01 22:02:17 nice fbchat works with 1.4.5 Jul 01 22:02:18 :D Jul 01 22:02:46 people use facebook chat? Jul 01 22:02:56 yeah of course Jul 01 22:03:04 it is only logical Jul 01 22:03:28 oilsworkn: you use IM? Jul 01 22:03:29 * oilsworkn is not cool enough to have a facebook account Jul 01 22:03:53 oilsworkn, don't feel bad, I have a facebook and I never use it Jul 01 22:04:08 when you have all your friends listed in facebook you can send IMs via jabber :D no need for SMS Jul 01 22:04:20 but im paying for those sms Jul 01 22:04:25 why not use them? Jul 01 22:04:45 I like oilsworkn's point Jul 01 22:05:51 not to mention i have no friends who are into computers Jul 01 22:08:22 but they do know how to sms Jul 01 22:10:03 oilsworkn, do you use linux at all at work? Jul 01 22:11:17 we have a few linux servers Jul 01 22:11:27 my workstation is running windows though Jul 01 22:11:28 just curious how many people that hang out in this IRC use linux in a professional manner (I.E. to make a living) and not just as a hobby/home system Jul 01 22:12:01 yeah, I am in the same boat, my work laptop is windows, but I do have a 16G flash card I can boot it off of to run Mint Jul 01 22:12:02 I have a windows machine at my work, and it's ONLY purpose is exchange and then putty to all the linux machines Jul 01 22:12:27 all my work is done on linux and vxWorks Jul 01 22:12:38 egaudet, that is pretty much what I do too, lol... I am either SSH'd into a linux box, or I have the screen for one of the linux vitrual machines running full screen, lol Jul 01 22:13:17 all our accounting/sales/etc software is running on the linux servers Jul 01 22:13:35 we recently set up a few servers running Ubuntu 10.04 server edition Jul 01 22:13:51 I actually really like it... probably my favorite server distro out right now Jul 01 22:13:53 nice Jul 01 22:13:56 we have all RHEL Jul 01 22:14:04 yeah, that is what most of ours are as well Jul 01 22:14:11 but we are trying to move to Ubuntu Jul 01 22:14:22 centos here Jul 01 22:14:33 unless it is a government project or something, then it has to be RHEL Jul 01 22:14:36 basically rhel lol Jul 01 22:14:44 yep, lol Jul 01 22:14:56 RHEL with a different skin (if you are using a GUI) Jul 01 22:15:02 no Jul 01 22:15:21 no gui... pretty much the same thing as RHEL then, lol Jul 01 22:15:26 yeah Jul 01 22:15:32 i think the only time we go into x is to setup printers Jul 01 22:15:35 ewww Jul 01 22:15:38 linux Jul 01 22:16:05 halfhalo_class, you are just scared of it, lol Jul 01 22:16:18 It killed my cat Jul 01 22:16:36 good reason then... that sounds like something Fedora would do... kill a pet... Jul 01 22:16:52 Well, I mean, I have never owned a cat... Jul 01 22:17:06 but if you did... linux would have killed it by now... Jul 01 22:17:10 yup Jul 01 22:17:11 gotcha, lol Jul 01 22:17:30 Thats why I have windows in my house to guard my dog Jul 01 22:17:32 egaudet: i ran CLEANUP VKB Files, then installed Virtual Keyboard. Preware now thinks I have 1.4.1-1 installed and is offering to update to 1.4.1-2 Jul 01 22:17:45 1.4.1-2 is testing feed Jul 01 22:17:52 alpha version Jul 01 22:18:06 no changes just split up the patch and theme files into separate packages Jul 01 22:18:07 egaudet: i thought i disabled the testing feed... Jul 01 22:18:24 there are multiple testing feeds Jul 01 22:18:32 one for apps, one for patches and one for kernels Jul 01 22:18:33 egaudet: maybe i did install the vk when i had the testing feeds enabled Jul 01 22:19:21 sethron, if you did it would have told you it depended on the vkb-default themes package Jul 01 22:19:53 egaudet: i think vkb-default themes is installed Jul 01 22:20:42 egaudet: yes i do have v1.0.1 VKB Default Themes... Jul 01 22:20:53 sethron, yeah then that was from testing feed Jul 01 22:21:38 so is the keyboard working? Jul 01 22:22:11 egaudet: so, why am i offered to update to v1.4.1-2 with the testing feed disabled? because I must have installed it from the testing feed? Jul 01 22:22:29 update feeds Jul 01 22:22:35 do you have all of the testing feeds disabled? Jul 01 22:22:46 egaudet: yes, vkb is working :) Jul 01 22:23:08 What's new/different on Warthog-62? I don't see an update on the wiki page. Jul 01 22:23:55 cryptk: yes, just optware, webos-internals, webos-kernals, webos-patches Jul 01 22:24:02 the last change I see in it's changelog is for disabling MODVERSIONS Jul 01 22:24:09 1.4.1-62 Jul 01 22:24:18 sethron, cool, just checkin Jul 01 22:25:02 cryptk: Well, yeah, but that's what it said for -61 too. :( Jul 01 22:25:13 egaudet: so, is there a way I can flush vkb and start fresh, other than a trip to the Dr.? Jul 01 22:25:19 ark3qqq, I know, I was curious as well, lol Jul 01 22:25:25 sethron, what do you mean? Jul 01 22:25:57 egaudet: never mind:updated feeds :) Jul 01 22:26:01 cryptk: I've been really happy with -61, so I guess I'll wait to update until there's more info. Had hoped to find some here, but it's no big deal. :) Jul 01 22:26:15 I am on -62 and it is working great for me Jul 01 22:26:42 -62 had the voltage adjusted Jul 01 22:26:59 bump down for 600mhz Jul 01 22:27:06 jhoatt1: Adjusted? An adjustment to the undervolting from -61? Jul 01 22:27:11 bump up just a tad for 1050 Jul 01 22:27:18 read the patch Jul 01 22:27:43 egaudet: however, everytime i touch vkb with preware, i get offered to update to v1.4.1-2 Jul 01 22:27:44 jhoatt1: How do I read the patch? Something something github... right? Jul 01 22:27:56 git.webos-internals.org/kernel/patches Jul 01 22:28:13 sethron restart preware update feeds Jul 01 22:28:49 you read it with your eyes :) Jul 01 22:28:54 or a screenreader Jul 01 22:29:05 I want to know if anyone sees strangeness. but so far it works for me Jul 01 22:29:15 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=summary Jul 01 22:29:21 jho, no hangups here Jul 01 22:29:35 I want to know if 3d games are running oddly Jul 01 22:29:40 whats the recommended compcache for govnah? Jul 01 22:29:55 else it *should* be better Jul 01 22:30:01 gkatsev, sprint or plus? Jul 01 22:30:05 sprint Jul 01 22:30:09 stick with 16 Jul 01 22:30:12 ok Jul 01 22:30:15 cryptk / jhoatt1 : Thanks. Applying eyes (and browser's bookmark feature) now. Jul 01 22:30:17 thats what i have now Jul 01 22:30:17 egaudet: ok, Preware is set to update on start. when it's lauched, there are no Package Updates. when I go to Installed packages, vkb has a blue arrow to update, and back on the Preware home screen, there is the 1 update. Jul 01 22:30:19 if you see any problems then give 24 a shot Jul 01 22:30:27 I've been getting really good batt life now Jul 01 22:30:40 i actually even put it to screenstate of 250&800 rather than 500&800 Jul 01 22:30:47 16 is all I need for compcache Jul 01 22:30:56 yep, 16 has been fine for me Jul 01 22:31:01 jhoatt1: Me too, but that's with -61. Jul 01 22:31:09 sethron, odd that sounds like a preware/ipkgservice bug Jul 01 22:31:14 removed probably 95% of the stutters I saw before Jul 01 22:31:24 250 is not necessarily better for batt life Jul 01 22:31:27 egaudet, I am getting a similar problem Jul 01 22:31:35 depends on your usage Jul 01 22:31:45 I only jsut now remembered it... I removed VKB the other day because I realized I never use it, lol Jul 01 22:32:19 jhoatt1, any plans to add in automatic throttling based on temperature? Jul 01 22:32:20 egaudet: so, what would you advise? when I mean 'flush', i mean to clobber, or the like, so I can start clean. Jul 01 22:32:37 that's ka6sox-away ask him Jul 01 22:34:27 not sure sethron, 1.4.1-2 is not even in the testing feed anymore Jul 01 22:34:36 gotta be some weird stale data somewhere Jul 01 22:35:07 egaudet: hmm in the log? Jul 01 22:35:21 Rebooting takes forever, or something similar to forever. Jul 01 22:35:24 no preware doesn't know about the log Jul 01 22:35:44 ark3qqq, my reboots don't Jul 01 22:36:02 cryptk: Done anything special to make that happen? Jul 01 22:36:03 I wanna find the sourcecode for bootie... Jul 01 22:36:07 sethron, maybe the cache Jul 01 22:36:19 try enabling the testing feed, update feeds, then disable it and update feeds Jul 01 22:36:22 ark3qqq, well, I have recently reflashed my bootloader and doctored, lol Jul 01 22:36:51 actually I have probably reflashed my bootloader and NVRAM at least 20 times in the last 24 hours, lol Jul 01 22:37:00 cryptk: Reflashed your bootloader? I'm not aware of this magic. Jul 01 22:37:15 cryptk, get geist drunk maybe he'll slip up! Jul 01 22:37:20 my latest project, bootloader theming Jul 01 22:37:32 egaudet, lol Jul 01 22:37:40 if he lives in TX I can make that happen Jul 01 22:37:59 "hey geist... here is another beer... and a shot or two... now about that code..." Jul 01 22:38:31 I thought I remembered reading somewhere that bootie was based on uBoot... Jul 01 22:39:16 people thought it was Jul 01 22:39:29 ahh, but nothing concrete? Jul 01 22:39:35 just because it has similar commands like printenv etc.. Jul 01 22:39:40 it does have a similar menu Jul 01 22:40:05 ark3qqq, http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/253494-how-theme-bootie.html if you are interested in reading... be careful though, you can bork things up easy playing with the bootloader Jul 01 22:40:07 bootie is based on little kernel .. at least that's what geist has said Jul 01 22:40:45 http://git.tkgeisel.com/?p=lk.git;a=summary Jul 01 22:41:01 cryptk: Ah, gotcha. But how will this improve boot time? Jul 01 22:41:15 I don't think it will affect it Jul 01 22:41:28 egaudet: still offering v1.4.1-2 update after enabling testing feeds, udating, disable testing feeds, updating Jul 01 22:41:32 I think it is more that I am on a recent doctor after a testing session with jhoatt1 lol Jul 01 22:41:36 sethron, novaterm in Jul 01 22:41:46 egaudet: in Jul 01 22:42:11 cryptk: now you should try that libc fun again Jul 01 22:42:19 :) Jul 01 22:42:27 jhoatt1, lets do it! Jul 01 22:42:35 go for it Jul 01 22:42:40 I still have all the files on my /media/internal Jul 01 22:42:45 cryptk: Any thoughts on how doctoring will speed up boot? Or more to the point, what might be slowing down startup on a "well worn-in" install? Jul 01 22:42:56 Boot took 4 minutes this time. Jul 01 22:42:56 grep -r "1.4.1-2" /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/cache/ * Jul 01 22:43:05 I'm about to measure iperf with that evdo hack Jul 01 22:43:06 grep -r "1.4.1-2" /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg * Jul 01 22:43:20 ark3qqq, lemme time mine and see if it is any faster than yours Jul 01 22:44:22 egaudet: ok Jul 01 22:44:24 ark3qqq, was that 4 minutes on a reboot or a cold boot? Jul 01 22:44:33 output Jul 01 22:44:34 ? Jul 01 22:44:59 ark3qqq, and what speeds are yo running your kernel at? Jul 01 22:45:03 cryptk: It was 4m12s from hitting okay on the reboot request in Preware. Jul 01 22:45:26 kernel settings? Jul 01 22:45:36 cryptk: This was for the -61 to -62 update (warthog). I run 250-1050 OnDemand. Jul 01 22:45:57 I can't do 250, my phone hangs at anything below 500, lol Jul 01 22:46:08 but I know a reason Jul 01 22:46:10 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/5JPSdhqB Jul 01 22:46:18 I think the kernels default back to stock speeds on an upgrade Jul 01 22:46:26 cryptk: I'm not sure when in the boot process the chosen profile normally gets applied, but in this case it didn't get applied due to the kernel change. Jul 01 22:46:31 check your govnah and see if it is back at 500 on demand Jul 01 22:46:33 Yes, it does. Jul 01 22:46:45 indeed, that would be why your reboot was so slow Jul 01 22:46:55 set it back and reboot again, should be faster Jul 01 22:47:13 cryptk: So 4 minutes is reasonable for a non-overclocked Pre? That's kind of what I mean by "forever." Jul 01 22:47:29 I think so... lemme set mine to default settings ant time it Jul 01 22:48:03 grep -r -C 5 "Version: 1.4.1-2" /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg * Jul 01 22:48:23 cryptk: I bet I almost never reboot with overclocking on the boot process, since I basically only reboot for kernel updates. It _is_ a Linux box, after all. Jul 01 22:49:03 same here (normally) past 24 hours being an exception Jul 01 22:49:20 ark3qqq well put. Jul 01 22:50:24 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/R1sNtM8m not sure if that has the top Jul 01 22:52:33 ark3qqq, 3:32 from time i clicked device restart Jul 01 22:52:47 on Palm Default profile in govnah with compcache disabled Jul 01 22:53:11 I wonder why I lose the additional 30+ seconds. Jul 01 22:53:22 not sure Jul 01 22:53:30 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list |grep keyboard Jul 01 22:54:25 remove the vkb-default themes package and remove the vkb Jul 01 22:54:30 then re-install vkb from preware Jul 01 22:54:47 btw, I made the post about the bootie theming in the WebOS Internals forum... if you don't want it there I can put it somewhere else Jul 01 22:55:07 but I figured since the info is on the wiki it would be appropriate. Jul 01 22:57:10 egaudet: very well i'll do that Jul 01 23:01:00 egaudet: hanging on Removing Reverting file /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/.thems/LPC_Dark_Rounded_2e/landscape/uppercase/h.png Jul 01 23:01:25 novaterm in Jul 01 23:01:32 tail -f /media/internal/webos-patches.log Jul 01 23:01:36 egaudet: the last item in tail -f /media/internal/webos-patches.log is SUCCESS Jul 01 23:01:52 what's the one before it Jul 01 23:02:08 pastebin the last handful of lines Jul 01 23:02:16 egaudet: file: /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json file md5sum: orig md5sum: palm md5sum: Remove backup SUCCESS Jul 01 23:04:10 pastebin the entire last section of the webos-patches.log file Jul 01 23:06:45 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/0GwTmjAy Jul 01 23:10:17 Thanks folks. Gotta run. Jul 01 23:11:13 anyone in here on 1.4.5 O2 yet? Jul 01 23:11:31 I wanna know if the updates app still constantly says there are app updates even when there are not any Jul 01 23:12:54 sethron, cat the file so that I can see what date/time that log is from Jul 01 23:13:28 brb, rebooting into my developement OS Jul 01 23:14:22 egaudet: sorry not sure how to cat a file Jul 01 23:14:30 cat webos-patches.log Jul 01 23:14:50 cat /media/internal/webos-patches.log Jul 01 23:15:30 I wonder if hibernation (like on a desktop) could be adapted to a mobile device Jul 01 23:20:04 cryptk: Remind me, are you talking suspend to ram, or suspend to disk? I would be suprised if the unit was not already doing suspend to ram with various wakeup triggers. Suspend to disk just doesn't make sense to me for the unit. Jul 01 23:21:33 I was talking suspend to disk Jul 01 23:21:59 Does the unit have swap, and is the swap partition either hard coded into the kernel or provided on the command line by the boot loader? Jul 01 23:22:02 basically dump the ram into a file on the disk, then power off... on next power on put the data back and pick up where you left off Jul 01 23:22:06 If not, you've got an interesting time. Jul 01 23:22:18 Because suspend to disk suspends to the swap partition. Jul 01 23:22:28 oh, if it were done it would definitely require soem kernel work Jul 01 23:23:05 and it may even require starting fresh with a different pertition scheme (not sure on that one though, depends on the swap setup) Jul 01 23:23:23 You may also have some trouble with the existing S2D code assuming that the BIOS will init some of the hardware for you, I forget what the current state of the art is there. Jul 01 23:24:09 egaudet: please see message Jul 01 23:25:11 I don't know if there is any existing S2D core Jul 01 23:25:16 s/core/sode/ Jul 01 23:25:16 cryptk meant: I don't know if there is any existing S2D sode Jul 01 23:25:27 argh... I typoed my fix of a typo... Jul 01 23:26:03 cryptk: S2D is in the mainline kernel these days, so you'll likely get a fair bit of the way just by making sure that it's compiled in. Jul 01 23:26:15 That said, it may or may not actually work on the hardware you have. Jul 01 23:26:34 I am talking about on the Pre btw, lol Jul 01 23:26:40 I doubt it would work Jul 01 23:32:34 remember the kernel is pretty old .24 Jul 01 23:32:50 i'm just hoping that whatever kernel they move to next is closer to mainline Jul 01 23:34:07 jhojho: .24 is kinda old. I still have to deal with embedded hardware with a 2.4 kernel, makes me want to hert people. Jul 01 23:34:29 lol Jul 01 23:34:38 better you than me Jul 01 23:44:53 folks Jul 01 23:45:16 uNiXpSyChO: 24M compcache seems to be the winner here Jul 01 23:46:38 bhuey what did you use to benchmark and determine a winner? Jul 01 23:51:59 looks like oil ain't working anymore, lol Jul 01 23:53:40 hape_: yes, let's start the Navit Preware journey asap Jul 01 23:54:29 Damnit Sprint, hurry up with 1.4.5. Jul 01 23:56:02 * Mercury heads home. Jul 02 00:13:20 okay, scrolling seems smoother using anticipatory or noop vs cfq Jul 02 00:22:02 rwhitby, preware always reads from cache/ dir? Jul 02 00:25:49 egaudet: yes Jul 02 00:26:19 egaudet: apart from when the feeds are being updated, the lists directory should be empty, so that it does not interfere with app catalog operaton Jul 02 00:26:32 sethron is reporting that Preware keeps showing him 1.4.1-2 VKB even after rebooting, updating feeds Jul 02 00:26:51 1.4.1-2 hasn't been in any feed for a week Jul 02 00:26:59 saved packages list maybe? Jul 02 00:27:04 is it safe to wipe out the cache dir, assuming it will be rebuilt? Jul 02 00:27:10 yes Jul 02 00:27:59 saved packages list needs to be updated then to clean that part out? Jul 02 00:31:37 egaudet: removed items from saved package list in Preware after rm cache Jul 02 00:33:06 please tell me 1.4.1-2 doesn't show up Jul 02 00:35:59 egaudet: 1.4.1-2 doesn't show up Jul 02 00:36:27 cool Jul 02 00:36:32 so it must have been saved packages list Jul 02 00:36:42 egaudet: namaste! Jul 02 00:36:43 which I completely wasn't thinking about Jul 02 00:53:39 egaudet reminds me of a problem I was having with linking libraries at work the other day... Jul 02 00:53:59 spent the whole day chasing one problem and the cause was completely somewhere else Jul 02 00:54:09 brb Jul 02 00:54:40 egaudet: thanks so much. sleep well Jul 02 01:02:33 alright I think I'm pushing this vkb/theme split up to the feeds Jul 02 01:03:56 * egaudet runs in fear Jul 02 01:14:49 is anyone using gmail on their webos device Jul 02 01:15:15 and have you noticed an occasional tendency for either gmail or the mail application in webos not to respect IMAP commands Jul 02 01:15:18 especially purge Jul 02 01:15:49 i never thought i would actually use my mobileme email account on my pre, but i'm considering it if this keeps up Jul 02 01:17:35 rwhitby, in kernel.mk CODENAME is used for rootfs doctor extraction, any reason not to use --wildcards instead? Jul 02 01:17:35 !TheArchive-new Eileen Wilks, Maureen Child, Anne Marie Winston - Love - From His Point of View (epub).rar Jul 02 01:17:41 Er, mischan. Jul 02 01:18:01 egaudet: dunno Jul 02 01:29:09 anyone found a way to reset the gps without a reboot? it's failing to get my fix Jul 02 01:41:35 ohnoes, 'Big News from Palm' Jul 02 01:42:05 nothing that big Jul 02 01:42:16 I think they got bought or something Jul 02 01:44:06 darn, nothing I didn't know ;P Jul 02 01:45:14 I was hoping for a new phone announcement or something like that.. not that I expected that sort of thing right now Jul 02 01:48:28 Hola. Jul 02 01:49:07 though with HP in the picture.. I wouldn't be surprised to see something announced in a couple months or less, if that (a new phone) is the first direction they want to take Jul 02 01:51:39 nixon or whatever his nick is in forum Jul 02 01:51:53 who got/is insider at palm Jul 02 01:51:59 said that we will see something tomorrow Jul 02 01:52:06 Tomorrow? Jul 02 01:52:09 ehhh.... Jul 02 01:52:15 ;] Jul 02 01:52:31 * BeeRad doubts it. Jul 02 01:52:45 1.4.5 will be tomorrow maybe. lol Jul 02 01:52:53 i dont care about ur opinion Jul 02 01:53:19 Fair enough. I don't care about your opinion about my opinions. Jul 02 01:53:51 BeeRad: well played. :) Jul 02 01:54:08 coz in my eyes u are like a little "whining bitch" in podcasts or here Jul 02 01:54:26 Yeah, well I like chicken. Jul 02 01:55:55 * Tman doesn't see the need for all the animosity.. it's just IRC guys Jul 02 01:56:25 Tman: I just said I didn't think anything was getting released tomorrow. He jumped my case. Jul 02 01:57:11 yap just what i said Jul 02 01:57:14 Tman: the transaction just closed Jul 02 01:57:41 we know the management structure, supposedly some hint as to the focus as far as smartphones might be Jul 02 02:00:02 tmzt: gotcha. did you read about this hint somewhere? Jul 02 02:00:55 I don't think it's right, that was probably gigaom though Jul 02 02:01:51 i have a suspicion that verizon is going to do what it's always done with updates Jul 02 02:01:56 stagger them over three days Jul 02 02:02:20 but the weird thing is that sprint had the updates first Jul 02 02:02:23 the price i pay for solid network performance Jul 02 02:02:27 now it's not the case :S Jul 02 02:02:28 en0x: naturally Jul 02 02:02:42 sprint will still probably be the first US carrier to receive it Jul 02 02:02:53 but O2 Germany has shown far more love to Palm that Sprint has Jul 02 02:03:04 s/that/than Jul 02 02:03:25 sprint is acting like they dont need anybody Jul 02 02:03:36 except evo Jul 02 02:03:36 :P Jul 02 02:04:03 EVO update was a huge fail. Poor people. Jul 02 02:04:16 well it was htc fail Jul 02 02:04:19 not sprint Jul 02 02:04:24 sprint dont make updates Jul 02 02:04:34 Sprint should have checked it. Jul 02 02:04:50 but it's not like it's bricking every evo Jul 02 02:05:06 Enough to be an issue though, correct? Jul 02 02:05:12 right Jul 02 02:05:24 maybe sprint have only 3 guys testing new update? :> Jul 02 02:05:31 lol Jul 02 02:06:13 s/update/updates Jul 02 02:06:16 VZW check and check and checks and they still screw it up for me. If 1.4.5 doesnt properly fix the GPS...I will be pissed. And yes, THAT is whining. ;) Jul 02 02:06:33 i remember Jul 02 02:06:39 ihad verizon for 10 minutes Jul 02 02:06:51 i switched to them for 10 minutes from att Jul 02 02:06:52 ;] Jul 02 02:07:19 Verizon is clearly the best network here. So much 3G saturation its ridiculous. Jul 02 02:07:28 ATT...nothing. Sprint....nothing. Jul 02 02:07:48 u must be living in shithole Jul 02 02:07:48 :D Jul 02 02:08:03 Close. Jul 02 02:08:15 I did some testing with att and sprint earlier today Jul 02 02:08:17 lmao Jul 02 02:08:32 sprint >> att Jul 02 02:08:34 en0x must think that big cities are the only ones that count. Typical ATT customer. Jul 02 02:08:35 i have full bars everywhere Jul 02 02:08:46 except my basement Jul 02 02:08:47 both had full bars Jul 02 02:08:51 i have to roam on verizon Jul 02 02:09:07 sprint 600+ kbits/s Jul 02 02:09:13 coz i work in basement and i sit there for 8 hrs Jul 02 02:09:23 att like 280 kbits/s Jul 02 02:09:31 att sucks Jul 02 02:09:37 Some of us don't live in major metropolitan areas and at least ONE company *coughVerizoncough* cares about that. Jul 02 02:09:38 ex Jul 02 02:09:40 att in this area is horrid Jul 02 02:09:43 but just my data point Jul 02 02:09:57 i have full bars... i walk to stop&shop and i have zero bars Jul 02 02:09:58 on att Jul 02 02:10:03 BeeRad: you know they don't actually /care/ right? It's called market share ;) Jul 02 02:10:18 zsoc: yap there is map for that! Jul 02 02:10:48 They can have my money because they provide service here. Simple concept. Jul 02 02:11:03 get a satellite phone Jul 02 02:11:03 :D Jul 02 02:12:42 Nah, I have 5 full bars of service just about everywhere I go. Thanks though ;) Jul 02 02:13:12 all of my buddies are switching to sprint Jul 02 02:13:22 because the service is the cheapest and good coverage Jul 02 02:13:39 For them. Nice. Jul 02 02:14:19 sprint is good value, verizon is probably best if you can afford it and aren't a college student like me ;p Jul 02 02:14:51 Tman: you. how is agar coming? it functions? Jul 02 02:14:53 Verizon is cheap for me because I'm on a family plan and we all share the cost of the bill. Jul 02 02:14:53 or just builds? Jul 02 02:15:01 verizon is never cheap, even on a family plan Jul 02 02:15:06 sprint has been fine for me Jul 02 02:15:39 I pay less for myself than Sprint people do on a single person account. Thats all that matters. Jul 02 02:15:39 zsoc: I'm using it in my app right now. It works well. I'm looking at maybe porting its OpenGL driver to ES Jul 02 02:15:55 fun Jul 02 02:15:59 ty Jul 02 02:16:16 zsoc: where is the update :P Jul 02 02:16:32 zsoc: The API is a bit of a learning curve. But it's quite nice once you get it Jul 02 02:16:34 en0x: i'm delaying it in hopes i'll have an excuse to kick you Jul 02 02:16:45 Tman: i shall look into it :D Jul 02 02:16:50 zsoc: hahaha Jul 02 02:16:55 sweet :) Jul 02 02:16:57 lol Jul 02 02:19:35 zsoc: hey will things I build on WIDK run on Pixi? or do I need different settings for that/ Jul 02 02:19:37 ?* Jul 02 02:20:02 Tman: you have the ability to compile for armv6 also, check out other build files that include both rules Jul 02 02:20:46 zsoc: okay.. I'll take a look Jul 02 02:23:25 Tman: er.. i take that back. 686 and v6 might be disabled at the moment Jul 02 02:23:47 nuts.. do you know why? Jul 02 02:24:01 Tman: in theory you could play with the top level makefile.. honestly i don't recall why exactly.. maybe rwhitby knows? Jul 02 02:24:23 yep, it's commented out Jul 02 02:24:38 okay. I suppose I'll play with it and see what I get Jul 02 02:24:45 Tman: well, uncomment it, comment out the replacement line, rebuild your toolchain, and let me know why it doesn't work ;) Jul 02 02:24:46 I'm assuming I' Jul 02 02:24:51 lol Jul 02 02:25:00 so I have to rebuild the toolchain too?? Jul 02 02:25:04 * zsoc thinks Jul 02 02:25:11 ? Jul 02 02:25:21 er, no just rootfs and stage Jul 02 02:25:28 kk Jul 02 02:25:55 bbl Jul 02 02:43:42 is it sad I jump on wirc while rebooting the desktop so I don't miss anything? Jul 02 02:52:54 so 1.4.5 is out? Jul 02 02:54:18 In Germany (?) Jul 02 02:54:24 ok Jul 02 02:54:28 yeah, so far not stateside Jul 02 02:55:12 but doctors are available for o2 and whatnot Jul 02 02:55:20 how goes it beelzabub? Jul 02 02:55:37 it's ok Jul 02 02:55:47 we had a going away party for palm last night in redwood Jul 02 02:55:49 My Pre is jacked up, so I wont be able to enjoy 1.4.5 if it hits now anyway. boohoo Jul 02 02:55:59 i wouldn't worry about it Jul 02 02:56:03 just grab cryptofs from it Jul 02 02:56:09 Am I the only VZW Palm guy in here? Jul 02 02:56:10 :D - has my perf improvement Jul 02 02:56:15 should make the launcher slightly better Jul 02 02:56:53 sounds nice, but going away party? meaning, last day as palm and now part of HP ? Jul 02 02:56:59 yup Jul 02 02:57:10 nice Jul 02 02:57:12 sounds good Jul 02 02:57:50 so what did you do with cryptofs to make it better ? Jul 02 02:58:24 more intelligent use of memory Jul 02 02:58:36 smarter is good Jul 02 02:58:51 if you think about how cryptofs works & the block level cache it's obvious immediately how cryptofs is broken Jul 02 02:58:57 Intelligence is overrated n stuff. Jul 02 02:59:40 so first day as an HP employee, did it feel any different? Jul 02 02:59:43 or just the same as before Jul 02 02:59:53 well, we had a BBQ Jul 02 02:59:57 food was better **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 02 02:59:57 2010