**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 02 02:59:57 2010 Jul 02 02:59:59 no alcohol Jul 02 03:00:20 hehe Jul 02 03:00:20 is that even a bbq? Jul 02 03:00:23 Whoa, we have a Palm employee amongst us? Jul 02 03:00:30 at palm u had worst food but there was alcohol Jul 02 03:00:30 ;D Jul 02 03:00:36 i mean at old palm Jul 02 03:00:43 it balanced out - drink enough & everything tastes good Jul 02 03:00:51 BeeRad - there's a bunch of us on here Jul 02 03:01:01 i wonder how that will change with HP Jul 02 03:01:04 BeeRad: come in at like 12-1am pst Jul 02 03:01:04 BeeRad: yeah, a bunch Jul 02 03:01:09 i guess if we keep flying under the radar no one cares Jul 02 03:01:12 welcome to BigCo. no booze at company functions. liability Jul 02 03:01:15 What!? Jul 02 03:01:22 Holy criminy. Jul 02 03:01:34 oil - you mean 12-1pm, right? Jul 02 03:01:50 no, i mean the middle of the night Jul 02 03:01:54 i'm trying to get away from staying at work that late Jul 02 03:01:55 heh Jul 02 03:02:02 probably a good call Jul 02 03:02:08 heh Jul 02 03:02:18 Ok so how MANY of you are Palm employees? Jul 02 03:02:19 my recorded videos on pre are always out of sync Jul 02 03:02:19 lol Jul 02 03:02:19 :S Jul 02 03:02:30 living to work is bad .. working to live seems like a better relationship Jul 02 03:02:40 BeeRad: whois is your friend Jul 02 03:03:09 beelzabub: obviously not en0x. :( Jul 02 03:03:47 i would work for palm but i got no $$ for a ticket to cali Jul 02 03:03:48 :p Jul 02 03:04:20 now that they're part of HP .. maybe you have a better chance Jul 02 03:04:30 yeah Jul 02 03:04:47 job description: "your task will be to annoy everyone" Jul 02 03:04:47 ;D Jul 02 03:07:14 did palm give you alcohol at lunch time bbq's ? Jul 02 03:07:32 honestly, i can't remember - probably not Jul 02 03:07:42 at least not at lunch Jul 02 03:07:46 probably at all hands Jul 02 03:07:57 we'll see - i'm sure we'll have a few coming up within the next few weeks Jul 02 03:08:07 would be amusing to get hard liquor at some of those things Jul 02 03:08:08 *software all hands at the end of the day Jul 02 03:08:13 Im late to the show...sorry for any future dumb questions. Does Palm actually watch A LOT of what Internals is doing? Jul 02 03:08:22 managers are responsible for bringing that in Jul 02 03:08:35 we're not the borg Jul 02 03:08:40 Palm doesn't do anything Jul 02 03:08:47 there are people at palm who do Jul 02 03:08:48 Noooo no no Jul 02 03:08:53 Not what I was asking.... Jul 02 03:08:54 BeeRad: when we were first figuring out how to novaterm in, geist was here watching Jul 02 03:09:11 yeah, i remember him telling me about that Jul 02 03:09:14 I didnt mean it like "are you guys THE MAN"? Jul 02 03:09:15 it was funny Jul 02 03:09:16 lol Jul 02 03:10:18 Palm is like "BeeRad......we know who you are.....and we know that you overclocked your Pre to 1GHz.....your warranty is void now". lol Jul 02 03:10:35 lol Jul 02 03:11:25 morning..am I missing a party? Jul 02 03:11:34 what warranty? Jul 02 03:11:46 didn't you read precentral Jul 02 03:11:46 ? Jul 02 03:11:58 w00t w00t? Jul 02 03:12:01 ka6sox: morning? Jul 02 03:12:03 you have to carefully negotiate the deal to take over the right parts of the business Jul 02 03:12:22 if I was HP, I would've made sure to explicitley exclude the warranties :P Jul 02 03:12:22 my pre warranty expired :( Jul 02 03:12:53 yeah, my pre warranty is over with .. still got a crack developing in the bottom left corner Jul 02 03:13:02 sprint? Jul 02 03:13:04 yeah Jul 02 03:13:20 thanks god i got no cracks so far Jul 02 03:13:20 I'm just sad that the battery door fell off Jul 02 03:13:27 do you think it's interesting how we got rid of that button on all the other phones? Jul 02 03:13:29 i'm on my replacement so far so good Jul 02 03:13:39 and I always so careful with my stuff Jul 02 03:13:45 i'm not Jul 02 03:13:45 beelzabub: i am glad you did .. Jul 02 03:13:50 so that was a huge bummer Jul 02 03:13:56 i throw all my phones around all the time Jul 02 03:14:06 "i do drop tests so you don't have to" Jul 02 03:14:11 heh, nice Jul 02 03:14:12 u got rid of that button because of the "crack" Jul 02 03:14:14 ? Jul 02 03:14:20 i'm not saying that Jul 02 03:14:24 [; Jul 02 03:14:40 palm products don't have any flaws that i know of Jul 02 03:14:41 hehe i bet that pixi drawings had the button too Jul 02 03:14:42 :D Jul 02 03:14:43 :D Jul 02 03:14:45 en0x: refurb? Jul 02 03:14:45 hehe Jul 02 03:14:48 BeeRad: yap Jul 02 03:14:49 :D Jul 02 03:15:09 en0x: better then the new one? Jul 02 03:15:10 yeah we can say the same thing about iphone 4 Jul 02 03:15:11 ;] Jul 02 03:15:16 BeeRad: ofcourse man Jul 02 03:15:19 i want an iphone 4 Jul 02 03:15:19 no oreo Jul 02 03:15:21 Good, you give me hope. Jul 02 03:15:22 2 things prevent it Jul 02 03:15:31 wireless sync blows on it Jul 02 03:15:36 notifications suck Jul 02 03:15:37 BeeRad: but go straight with palm not with verizon Jul 02 03:15:38 beelzabub: I like it without the button (in the pictures at least), though to nitpick I would make the bottom part below the screen narrower now Jul 02 03:15:45 & AT&T contract is expensive Jul 02 03:15:52 i currently don't have my own cell phone plan Jul 02 03:15:53 BeeRad: i never got iphone because of the notifications Jul 02 03:15:56 en0x: hope dashed again. LoL Jul 02 03:15:59 beelzabub: ^ Jul 02 03:15:59 beelzabub: ever think about getting one internationally/unlocked ? Jul 02 03:16:11 iphone 4? Jul 02 03:16:16 with iPHONE 4 Rubber bands included. Jul 02 03:16:21 hehehe Jul 02 03:16:22 how much are they Jul 02 03:16:28 $700 i think ? Jul 02 03:16:43 bpadalino: yap Jul 02 03:16:45 if you wanted, you could buy and ETF from ATT Jul 02 03:16:48 that would solve problem #3 Jul 02 03:16:50 not the first 2 Jul 02 03:16:54 agreed Jul 02 03:16:59 oh, & multi-tasking Jul 02 03:17:09 ":we got it right" Jul 02 03:17:13 what? you want to do more than one thing? Jul 02 03:17:13 but cydia already webos'ed the ipad Jul 02 03:17:17 probably have the same thing for iphone Jul 02 03:17:22 that new screen they have is pretty sexy, i admit Jul 02 03:17:27 it's geourgeous Jul 02 03:17:30 & the camera is amazing Jul 02 03:17:34 & the flash on it is really nice Jul 02 03:17:36 camera is very good Jul 02 03:17:36 & it's fast Jul 02 03:17:44 I wanna run a quick poll. Jul 02 03:17:45 Game? Jul 02 03:17:55 this is really the first iphone i actually wanted since i worked on the first one Jul 02 03:18:21 beelzabub: i hope next palm device will be more amazing than iphone Jul 02 03:18:23 Besides the Palm hardware....if you could choose any other phones hardware as is but throw webOS on it, which would you choose??? Jul 02 03:18:28 i hope so too Jul 02 03:18:40 tought to say Jul 02 03:18:45 beelzabub: i bet u alreay know ;P Jul 02 03:18:47 webos doesn't have APIs for some of the newer stuff Jul 02 03:18:54 like the gyroscope & whatnot Jul 02 03:18:59 & compass Jul 02 03:19:06 so you'd have to factor in losing all of that Jul 02 03:19:35 hell, even including palm hardware i'd probably pick any of the other phones Jul 02 03:19:43 probably iphone 4 or nexus one Jul 02 03:19:45 i still dont get why ppl need compass in their phones :S Jul 02 03:19:51 it's really handy Jul 02 03:19:53 when you're doing maps Jul 02 03:19:54 not to mention holding it kills the signal, lol Jul 02 03:19:55 nexus one feels decent in the hand .. Jul 02 03:20:02 (like in walking in the city) Jul 02 03:20:03 but using it - i wasn't impressed .. Jul 02 03:20:13 no - nexus one just has terrible software Jul 02 03:20:21 although i think their touchpanel is actually not so great either Jul 02 03:20:26 something about the screen wasn't right to me .. i was flipping through some photos, and i noticed pixels that were supposed to be black, flickering Jul 02 03:20:36 sounds like a bad screen Jul 02 03:20:36 oh terrible edge sensitivity Jul 02 03:20:44 if I had to Blue Sky I'd want webos on a Tablet with an ARM Cortex A9 @ 1.2ghz,1GB RAM, 7" TS, SD + 16GB Builtin Flash. Jul 02 03:20:48 ok - time to go home. i want to watch some futurama Jul 02 03:20:51 night Jul 02 03:20:52 what software? Jul 02 03:21:09 there's not really an ARM Cortex A9 Jul 02 03:21:12 there's no such chip Jul 02 03:21:24 MPCore? Jul 02 03:21:33 what are they calling the TI 46XX? Jul 02 03:21:35 not publicly available yet Jul 02 03:21:42 no, i mean that's the core Jul 02 03:21:55 all the manufacturers have their own platforms based aroudn it Jul 02 03:21:57 TI has theirs Jul 02 03:21:59 qualcomm has theirs Jul 02 03:22:00 etc Jul 02 03:22:12 right so like a TI 46XX. Jul 02 03:22:16 so it's not really accurate to talk about Cortex A9 Jul 02 03:22:19 OMAP46XX Jul 02 03:22:35 sorry, I keep thinking about mcpu Jul 02 03:22:36 sure it is Jul 02 03:22:52 tmzt - all the vendors have very different platforms Jul 02 03:22:56 that's the core but that's really what determines what apps run Jul 02 03:23:04 sure, how is that relevant? Jul 02 03:23:15 because they all have very different charateristics Jul 02 03:23:19 it's like saying an 8088 can be connected to an ISA bus or not Jul 02 03:23:23 tmzt, there is a lot more than just the CPU core...my misteak Jul 02 03:23:26 it's still an 8088 Jul 02 03:23:29 tmzt - no Jul 02 03:23:35 this is the embedded space Jul 02 03:23:40 these are all SoC's Jul 02 03:23:43 *SoCs Jul 02 03:23:56 right, which is a cpu core attached to a bus and periphrials on a die Jul 02 03:23:58 right, I'm sorry I meant a TI OMAP 46XX Jul 02 03:24:01 so they come with a graphics card, IO controllers etc Jul 02 03:24:12 OMAP 46xx is more than just ARM9 Jul 02 03:24:21 that also specifies buses it supports Jul 02 03:24:41 k Jul 02 03:24:42 think about new CPUs Jul 02 03:24:43 like AMD Jul 02 03:24:49 they have an integrated memory controller Jul 02 03:24:54 but it will run applications that an armv5 won't, or a slower chip Jul 02 03:25:05 it's a characteristic of the overall device that's still relevant Jul 02 03:25:19 arm is way more complicated than that Jul 02 03:25:28 first of all, arm still hasn't gotten their act together Jul 02 03:25:36 in what way? Jul 02 03:25:42 Any takers that Palm will be the first to push to the 1gig of RAM mark? Jul 02 03:25:48 so you can easily compile something for A9 & not have it run on all processors Jul 02 03:26:02 (mainly it's the floating point unit stuff) Jul 02 03:26:06 i'd love to see palm be the first dual GPP and 1GB of RAM Jul 02 03:26:20 right, I just learned that cortex might be slower than arm11 in that sense Jul 02 03:26:31 I think we need the RAM moreso than an overkill CPU...right? Jul 02 03:26:45 1GHz and 1gig of RAM sounds nice. Jul 02 03:26:46 anyways, my point is that the performance between two A9 phones can be wildly different based on who the vendor for the CPU was Jul 02 03:27:01 very true - and memory controller architecture Jul 02 03:27:03 *speculation* my guess is that 1GB of RAM of is quite a ways out on any phone Jul 02 03:27:20 speculation noted. Jul 02 03:27:30 really? i'd figure the other way .. densities of RAM just keep going up Jul 02 03:27:34 since you can get some information on the TI Part and almost NOTHING on a Qualcomm part I'd vote for the OMAP :D Jul 02 03:27:45 the manufacturing process just isn't there I think (although I have absolutely no knowledge about any internal stuff related to that) Jul 02 03:28:09 ka6sox : can't comment on that Jul 02 03:28:29 Things fly at 1GHz and those CPUs are out there and abundant. I would rather see the RAM bump. We are the true multitasking community. Jul 02 03:28:37 meh Jul 02 03:28:42 RAM bump is unnecessary Jul 02 03:28:47 512 MB is more than enough Jul 02 03:28:48 ka6sox: the TI chips are quite open, they don't have baseband integrated like the msm though Jul 02 03:29:01 beelzabub: Really? Ok. Jul 02 03:29:10 yup - even a pre plus Jul 02 03:29:10 SGX is still closed as well, the ATI part might actually be more open on the msm though not quite enough Jul 02 03:29:23 you notice that you never get out of cards messages Jul 02 03:29:36 beelzabub: I have on a plus. Jul 02 03:29:39 & I feel there's stuff on our end we can do to make more efficient use of ram Jul 02 03:29:48 BeeRad: depends Jul 02 03:30:00 i get shit load of tmc on my sprint pre:( Jul 02 03:30:06 java sucking up 35MB+ is kind of a lot Jul 02 03:30:10 you either actually opened too many cards (which is insane on a plus) or there was a memory leak somewhere Jul 02 03:30:16 well, java is gone :D Jul 02 03:30:17 might that fix come soon? Jul 02 03:30:22 as of when? Jul 02 03:30:23 on 1.4.5? ;) Jul 02 03:30:28 tmzt: as of 1.5 Jul 02 03:30:29 My Pre+ has seen seveal TMC's however.....Ive tried to load everything on the phone too. hahaha Jul 02 03:30:29 ;P Jul 02 03:30:33 obviously not 1.4.5 Jul 02 03:30:36 that package was 9mb Jul 02 03:30:41 can't comment on when Jul 02 03:30:51 but we announced this a while back Jul 02 03:30:58 it's coming in with all that db8 stuff Jul 02 03:31:00 & other goodies Jul 02 03:31:00 ah ok Jul 02 03:31:01 you from HP/Palm then? Jul 02 03:31:08 so with the js services stuff Jul 02 03:31:09 shhhhh Jul 02 03:31:12 only know geist and chrisa Jul 02 03:31:19 tmzt: yeah he is Jul 02 03:31:28 & cmd whenever he pops up Jul 02 03:31:30 "java is gone"... great day Jul 02 03:31:37 :P Jul 02 03:31:39 what about UI and GPU? Jul 02 03:31:53 css transition should be enough? Jul 02 03:31:55 we have not announced anything Jul 02 03:32:12 u said something about css transition or however u spell it Jul 02 03:32:23 that will come with an update in fall Jul 02 03:32:28 nope - wasn't me Jul 02 03:32:32 haven't mentioned anything about css Jul 02 03:32:40 especially since i don't do any of the web stuff Jul 02 03:32:41 http://siliconangle.com/blog/2010/07/01/hp-palm-analysis-hp-finalized-palm-acqusition-its-all-about-smartphones-and-edge-devices/ Jul 02 03:32:43 i am currently working on sysmgr though Jul 02 03:32:47 hmm devrel did Jul 02 03:33:14 just need to opensource luna that's all ;) Jul 02 03:33:21 the node.js, db8, and other such things were net Jul 02 03:33:24 s/net/neat/ Jul 02 03:33:25 bpadalino meant: the node.js, db8, and other such things were neat Jul 02 03:33:43 don't get me started on opensource stuff Jul 02 03:33:48 * uNiXpSyChO is a fly on the wall Jul 02 03:33:49 lol Jul 02 03:33:54 don't you need to go home and watch futurama ? Jul 02 03:33:59 hehe Jul 02 03:34:02 my opinion is that *everything* below sysmgr should be open source Jul 02 03:34:09 uNiXpSyChO: hey buddy! Jul 02 03:34:10 what's sysmgr? Jul 02 03:34:11 yes i do - well, i realized i have to go to the gym first anyways Jul 02 03:34:11 agreed Jul 02 03:34:13 lunasysmgr Jul 02 03:34:17 the window manager Jul 02 03:34:28 beelzabub: as it is now kinda... Jul 02 03:34:29 ;] Jul 02 03:34:35 sounds similar to an OSX thing .. window manager closed down, underlying OS opened up Jul 02 03:34:37 not really Jul 02 03:34:46 do we opensource any of the BSD components? Jul 02 03:34:57 well BSD license is different Jul 02 03:34:58 bbiab...headed into work, Jul 02 03:35:00 take whatever u need Jul 02 03:35:00 i think it's a mindset of "release the minimum amount required" & no more Jul 02 03:35:08 i'm of the opinion that all that stuff should be Jul 02 03:35:14 whether or not it's required by the license Jul 02 03:35:18 +ka6sox: see ya Jul 02 03:35:23 it serves us no benefit to have private forks of that stuff Jul 02 03:35:24 * bpadalino supports beelzabub Jul 02 03:35:32 * oil too Jul 02 03:35:42 * en0x too too Jul 02 03:35:56 haha Jul 02 03:36:02 that's kind of the android approach, though I can't see why they went to the trouble of making everything apache2 when they release the source and so do the OEMs for most of the system components Jul 02 03:36:03 i'm tired of pushing for it Jul 02 03:36:12 tmzt - i imagine patents Jul 02 03:36:21 on a shell? Jul 02 03:36:25 GPL is notorious for making companies afraid for their patent pools Jul 02 03:36:29 they replaced busybox :) Jul 02 03:36:38 we should too - busybox is a pile of crap Jul 02 03:36:59 I wonder if the post hal stuff will go anywhere Jul 02 03:37:07 hal? Jul 02 03:37:17 can't say what it's called now, it's changed too much Jul 02 03:37:21 freedesktop.org HAL Jul 02 03:37:29 oh that - probably not Jul 02 03:37:30 hal is obsoleted Jul 02 03:37:34 then devicekit, now systemkit or something that Lennart is working on Jul 02 03:37:53 i hope the TI stuff will accomplish something Jul 02 03:38:32 * tmzt dreams of the day you can pull linus and drop it on your Pre or whatever Jul 02 03:39:17 geist was saying that TI has taken a more proactive approach to keeping their linux kernels up to date and more mainstream Jul 02 03:39:41 lots of processors on the 440 jtag chain Jul 02 03:39:42 yeah Jul 02 03:39:52 yey palm is coming to boston tomorrow... i hope i will get some free shit... Jul 02 03:40:18 Palm boston tomorrow? Jul 02 03:40:19 it's pretty cool that ubuntu is going to be running basically on tony's tree on omap4 Jul 02 03:40:22 not just that - they have their whole industry push Jul 02 03:40:23 en0x: Jealous. Jul 02 03:40:27 i forget who else Jul 02 03:40:30 ARM too i think Jul 02 03:40:31 egaudet: yap Jul 02 03:40:40 essentially standardize the linux arm tree Jul 02 03:40:40 egaudet: tomorrow/saturday and sunday Jul 02 03:40:41 linera? Jul 02 03:40:45 oh nice Jul 02 03:40:52 Think they'll make a special stop in my town? Ever? (population 5,000) Jul 02 03:41:12 ;omarp Jul 02 03:41:14 linaro Jul 02 03:41:17 egaudet: http://wklej.org/id/359220/ Jul 02 03:41:23 they make me drive up the 101. not too bad though Jul 02 03:41:26 How about Dallas? :) Jul 02 03:41:37 Mercury: they were in dallas Jul 02 03:41:41 afaik Jul 02 03:41:49 en0x: is this app stuff? Jul 02 03:42:03 en0x: Damn, how do you get notified that it's happening? Jul 02 03:42:11 tmzt: no the summer tour... Jul 02 03:42:15 Mercury: facebook Jul 02 03:42:21 en0x: Ah, sucky. Jul 02 03:42:31 I cant believe Palm doesn't sell swag. I just want a simple Palm shirt. I like webOS Roundup, but I dont want to wear their shirts. Jul 02 03:42:57 i will get one for u tomorrow :p Jul 02 03:43:06 en0x: bite me. Jul 02 03:43:07 lol Jul 02 03:43:19 BeeRad: go to one of those embroidery places with a logo ? Jul 02 03:43:31 bpadalino: lol Jul 02 03:44:53 i hope i will get a new palm leather case for my pre Jul 02 03:44:58 the one that i have broke Jul 02 03:44:58 :S Jul 02 03:45:02 :( Jul 02 03:47:07 I want that palm forever shirt Jul 02 03:47:17 Any ideas for a next video, guys? Jul 02 03:47:24 how much are you willing to pay for it :D? Jul 02 03:47:36 j/k Jul 02 03:47:37 palm forever ? Jul 02 03:47:39 the palm forever shirt? Jul 02 03:47:41 yup Jul 02 03:47:55 what palm forever shirt? Jul 02 03:48:05 they gave them out yesterday Jul 02 03:48:10 yeh Jul 02 03:48:11 Picture or it doesnt exist. Jul 02 03:48:12 oh, didn't hear about it .. Jul 02 03:48:16 palm crew got them Jul 02 03:48:17 yeah got a link to a picture ? Jul 02 03:48:19 ok, it doesn't exist Jul 02 03:48:22 lol Jul 02 03:48:25 dang Jul 02 03:48:29 some of them tweeted photos. Jul 02 03:48:30 busted Jul 02 03:49:02 beelzabub: probably pay like $35 including shipping. Jul 02 03:49:17 i was j/k - not actually willing to sell it Jul 02 03:49:22 bpadalino: one sec Jul 02 03:49:22 i don't sell any of the kitch i get Jul 02 03:49:32 probably a good idea Jul 02 03:49:33 show us a pic Jul 02 03:50:11 wb Jul 02 03:50:38 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyikeda/4750515145/ Jul 02 03:50:46 thanks Jul 02 03:51:01 That is awesome..... Jul 02 03:51:21 back http://www.flickr.com/photos/girliemac/4750520841/in/photostream/ Jul 02 03:51:35 cool Jul 02 03:51:39 gimmie one! Jul 02 03:51:44 haha Jul 02 03:51:47 Thats awesome. Jul 02 03:53:14 anyway who gave the sysmgr name LUNA? Jul 02 03:53:30 is that someone's ex name? Jul 02 03:53:30 :P Jul 02 03:53:39 why would it be an ex? Jul 02 03:53:58 I want the shirt btw too. Why Palm doesn't sell gear is beyond my understanding Jul 02 03:54:05 luna is the name of the UI Jul 02 03:54:05 because someone was pissed when he was coding it for version 1.4.0 of webos and it was crashing all the time :p Jul 02 03:54:28 i've never heard anyone called by that name before Jul 02 03:54:34 in many languages it means moon Jul 02 03:54:43 i don't know the backstory of how that particular codename came about Jul 02 03:54:47 the ancient Roman goddess personifying the moon, sometimes identified with Diana. Jul 02 03:54:55 Jump to all the conclusions you want. Jul 02 03:55:13 FSF are a bunch of douches Jul 02 03:55:20 the most impossible people in the world to work with Jul 02 03:55:42 this isn't relevant to anything Jul 02 03:55:49 but true :) Jul 02 03:56:07 heh Jul 02 03:56:10 I had one run in with RMS 10 years ago. that was enough for me. Jul 02 03:56:11 have you read the LWN article about gcc? Jul 02 03:56:17 "work together for free" Jul 02 03:56:18 :D Jul 02 03:56:24 beelzabub: link ? Jul 02 03:56:50 behind a paywall - http://lwn.net/Articles/394219/ Jul 02 03:56:58 ah lame Jul 02 03:56:59 oh well Jul 02 03:57:11 they're actually preventing their own people from generating documentation from the source Jul 02 03:57:13 you can share a subscriber link Jul 02 03:57:20 because the GFDL & GPL are incompatible Jul 02 03:57:24 that sounds absurd Jul 02 03:57:41 nope - that is the subscriber link Jul 02 03:57:51 there should be a token in it then Jul 02 03:58:08 nope Jul 02 03:58:22 & i actually support LWN Jul 02 03:58:23 eh, no big deal .. sounds lame they're being jerks Jul 02 03:58:27 i love their articles Jul 02 03:58:33 they actually are worth paying for Jul 02 03:58:37 & their not expensive at all Jul 02 03:58:45 s/their/they're Jul 02 03:59:11 you'll be able to read it next week Jul 02 03:59:17 rwhitby: while you're here, can you recall for me why armv6 building is disabled in WIDK right now? Jul 02 03:59:22 LWN always releases their weekly edition after a week for free Jul 02 03:59:31 yeah it said on the 8th it'll be free Jul 02 03:59:36 i'll bookmark it for later Jul 02 04:00:03 actually, it's GFDL vs GPLv3 Jul 02 04:00:08 GPLv3 is such a cluster Jul 02 04:00:19 Tman_pre: some packages haven't been fixed to stage for armv7 and armv6 (and i686 for that matter) Jul 02 04:00:26 anyways - i'm off Jul 02 04:00:29 see you guys tomorrow Jul 02 04:00:30 later Jul 02 04:00:33 cya Jul 02 04:01:00 laters beelzabub Jul 02 04:01:12 rwhitby: so basically some Makefiles need to be patched up? or is it more involved than that? Jul 02 04:01:37 Tman_pre: no, that's about it Jul 02 04:01:57 Tman_pre: please feel free to make it happen. Jul 02 04:02:15 rwhitby: I may do so :) Jul 02 04:06:55 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/02/020229/Qualcomm-Makes-Open-Source-3D-Snapdragon-Driver - hot damn Jul 02 04:14:08 tman: please do Jul 02 04:14:40 have cflags ready for you when you do Jul 02 04:15:10 support/cross-compile.mk Jul 02 04:24:30 jhowirc: they're already in there? Jul 02 04:27:21 bpadalino: nah, read it Jul 02 04:34:03 Tman: available but not used Jul 02 04:39:09 jhojho: ok. I'll use them, thanks Jul 02 04:39:45 and once we start creating packages for different archs, we can add some additional flags Jul 02 04:57:04 From what I can see, the P100UEU and P101UEU doctors for 1.4.5 are identical in the rootfs, with the only changes being in the carrier customisations tarball Jul 02 04:57:36 and DMSet token being 317 for castle and 674 for castle-plus Jul 02 04:58:26 the doctor build times are 3 minutes apart Jul 02 04:58:37 rwhitby: 24M compcache is working well for me Jul 02 04:58:53 yeah, that's what I use too Jul 02 04:58:54 that with an overclocked kernel is making my life with the Pre better than it was Jul 02 04:59:15 still not a Pre Plus but better overall Jul 02 04:59:24 bhuey, makes it bearable until the next gen device Jul 02 04:59:29 Abyssul: right Jul 02 04:59:45 Im expecting a leak or announcement within the next 2 weeks Jul 02 05:00:54 I was expecting one today after the merger Jul 02 05:01:12 Meh, im more understanding than that Jul 02 05:01:23 It's just unacceptable that Sprint users don't have new hardware by now Jul 02 05:01:40 Palm is looking for hte long term though Jul 02 05:02:05 I bet they planned on a 2nd gen device for June, but postponed it due to the HP buyout Jul 02 05:02:40 hard to say. their carrier exclusivity agreements really have made life bad for them Jul 02 05:03:06 HP just needs to jumpstart Palm back into the playing field Jul 02 05:03:17 They need a second chance to make an impact Jul 02 05:03:18 Abyssul: Im sure everyone is better off not having the "June device". Give them more time to come up with something really good. Jul 02 05:03:25 they need to hire more folks to bug fix the system and refine the apps more Jul 02 05:03:41 I'm looking for improvements with the chat app specifically Jul 02 05:03:43 BeeRad, as long if it totally blows my mind Jul 02 05:04:03 like a ways of notifying that a person has come on in addition to the notifications already Jul 02 05:04:11 and fixing the GC leak bug Jul 02 05:04:21 Im looking forward to the fall update and a next gen device Jul 02 05:04:23 after a year now, it's ridiculous that it's not fixed Jul 02 05:04:37 GC leak bug? Jul 02 05:04:50 Can Palm please give me customizable external LED's like RIM and rooted Nexus has? I miss that from my BB days. Jul 02 05:04:50 yeah, the TMC error bug with you have no apps running Jul 02 05:04:55 Are you talking about how the GC doesnt pick up after apps? Jul 02 05:05:09 GC and TMC are different variables Jul 02 05:05:25 BeeRad, Im not that picky Jul 02 05:05:46 well, as far as I know it's a GC leakage issue Jul 02 05:06:22 BeeRad: you can control all the LEDs on the device from userspace Jul 02 05:07:24 Different strokes for different folks. I really depend on seeing when something comes in. I cant always hear my phone and dont want to unlock it all the time. It was nice knowing that Blue= SMS Green= IM Purple= Facebook Red= email 1 Fuschia= email2 etc etc etc. Set it up however you want. Jul 02 05:07:52 Sounds cool Jul 02 05:08:24 Our LED only has one color though Jul 02 05:08:25 rwhitby: say what? Jul 02 05:08:53 Abyssul: True. For this device. I'm saying the next one. Jul 02 05:09:10 We could at least control the blink pulses now or something. Jul 02 05:11:35 Am i the only one who uses wax on their Pre? :p Jul 02 05:14:16 umm.... Jul 02 05:14:18 why? Jul 02 05:14:22 like rainX kind of stuff ? Jul 02 05:14:27 It's actually a good idea Jul 02 05:14:30 Car wax Jul 02 05:14:39 but I never thought about the rainx Jul 02 05:15:03 I think it would decay before it had any use though since the oils on your fingers would eat at the layer Jul 02 05:15:14 If there was an lip-phobic film I can apply onto the surface, I might consider it Jul 02 05:15:34 lipid Jul 02 05:17:30 +1 for that :) Jul 02 05:23:55 silky smooth screen now :) <3 waxy screen Jul 02 05:24:38 kind of fanatical Jul 02 05:41:42 what happened to Jay? Jul 02 05:41:48 http://canuck-software.ca/ down Jul 02 06:06:53 hello Jul 02 06:07:01 How would one go about installing one of these kernels: Jul 02 06:07:02 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.5/ Jul 02 06:09:30 nvm Jul 02 06:09:34 figured it out I think Jul 02 06:11:26 my oh my it's getting late Jul 02 06:11:57 I'm sitting here installing apatch on my phone phone while novaterm'd into my dev phone looking at the patches log wondering how on earth nothing is coming in Jul 02 06:20:20 you know its late when.... Jul 02 06:25:05 morning Jul 02 06:40:15 huh Jul 02 06:40:26 webos 1.4.5 is out? Jul 02 06:40:42 eh elea Jul 02 06:40:45 released Jul 02 06:54:32 no Jul 02 07:02:50 not here Jul 02 07:03:04 although i have a o2 german pre Jul 02 07:26:16 my pre says... it is ;) Jul 02 07:27:19 rwhitby: yes. noradtux found some problems with the change root jail for pdk apps. He will try to look at it on the weekend Jul 02 07:28:12 rwhitby: luna now starts pdk apps in a change root. So we can not access easpeak and the language fix is not working Jul 02 07:28:32 rwhitby: But it works without the additional libs Jul 02 07:32:44 hape_: we have a way around the jail if needed. Jul 02 07:32:46 (for apps installed from Preware) Jul 02 07:32:58 hey rwhitby Jul 02 07:33:07 hey swisstomcat Jul 02 07:33:10 still waiting to get 1.4.5 for my gsm device Jul 02 07:33:19 (but i'm not in a hurry) Jul 02 07:33:35 http://pics.orca-net.de/webos_145.png Jul 02 07:33:59 o2 germany Jul 02 07:35:44 let me check again Jul 02 07:36:19 nope Jul 02 07:37:30 swisstomcat: logged into a palm profile? Jul 02 07:37:39 yeah Jul 02 07:37:43 my "normal" one Jul 02 08:30:20 rwhitby: I hope we don't need it, but thanks for the info. How do you do it? Jul 02 08:31:22 rwhitby: easpeak can be compiles a lib for navit. But noradtux was not able to get it working as the src for pulsaudio was missing. Now it is there and i hope he can make it Jul 02 08:32:03 ok Jul 02 08:32:18 hape_: we'll be updating WIDK for 1.4.5 very soon Jul 02 08:32:38 the compile with the current WIDK is running in 1.4.5 Jul 02 08:33:04 what is the conzept for the way arround the jail if we need it. Jul 02 08:33:14 That i can tell noradtux about if we need it Jul 02 08:33:59 preware will install a new CS certificate, which will allow application specific jail configuration Jul 02 08:34:13 see the meta-doctor for how this is done Jul 02 08:34:20 s/CS/CA/ Jul 02 08:34:41 damn Precentral... EVERY single night Jul 02 08:34:42 the CA certificate part is done and tested (that is how meta-doctor automatically installs Preware on first boot) Jul 02 08:35:07 if anyone asks why VKB update isn't working for them, tell them to uninstall both VKB and VKB Default Themes and Config and reinstall them. good night Jul 02 08:36:20 egaudet: that's what your post on PreCentral said, right? Jul 02 08:36:34 yeah it finally went through Jul 02 08:36:36 rwhitby: That is over my knowlage right now. But I get the idea. Jul 02 08:37:56 oh yeah and I already posted that the first time and forgot heh, well I said it again and now I'm going to bed :P Jul 02 08:39:01 hape_: so we can get libpdl.so from the doctor now, but we still need the headers Jul 02 08:46:47 rwhitby: as said. Navit compiled with the current TC is working now *without* the native libs from the PDK. The main headers seems to the same as before Jul 02 08:47:26 hape_: what is "TC" ? Jul 02 08:47:47 TC=Tool chain= cross compile enviroment from git Jul 02 08:48:08 hape_: do you mean nonworking/pdl/Makefile? Jul 02 08:48:21 We call it in a other gpl project I work on this way. So I reused it Jul 02 08:48:26 rwhitby: yes Jul 02 08:48:43 That is what Navit is currently compailed aginst Jul 02 08:48:53 sorry for the messing englisch Jul 02 08:49:13 hape_: but pdl/Makefile is currently a manual unpack of pdl - I'm looking to do an auto-unpack Jul 02 08:49:51 yep, only whanted to inform you that the it looks like then mian header files are not changed Jul 02 08:50:45 rwhitby: I think you could automatisate the current manual process. Someone tould int the Navit thread how. Jul 02 08:51:12 rwhitby: But I did not looked into it as it was working for me. I expect the same for Noradtux .... Jul 02 08:51:19 hape_: if you have an automatic process that runs on Ubuntu 10.4 that will be greate Jul 02 08:54:35 I do not have, only someone tould the missing steps but nowone ever implemented them into the makefie => http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/224609-navit-pre-5.html#post2332647 Jul 02 08:56:07 It is the part to get the files out of the MAC PDK Jul 02 08:57:33 ok Jul 02 09:11:48 hape_: the step which searches for the hfs2plus header failed on 1.4.5 Jul 02 09:14:28 bad Jul 02 09:14:59 yawn, sup? Jul 02 09:15:27 I never tried the way. A friend with a MAC extracted it for me and send me the tar ... Jul 02 09:15:31 hape_: found it Jul 02 09:15:39 00005210: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0048 2b00 .............H+. Jul 02 09:15:39 00005220: 0400 0001 0031 302e 3000 0000 00c8 3ee8 .....10.0.....>. Jul 02 09:16:06 ah its on two line Jul 02 09:17:41 hape_: we should change dmg2img to skip to this automatically before dumping Jul 02 09:25:43 good idea, But I do not have the time and the C skills for it . Sorry Jul 02 09:30:03 I have added a -p option to extract a single partition Jul 02 09:30:10 the main partition is #4 Jul 02 09:30:21 then the HFS offset is always 0x400 Jul 02 09:31:09 good idea. So you can automatic the PDK install in the makefile. Jul 02 09:31:39 How to make sure that the user had dmg2img or do you plan to add a makefile for it too? Jul 02 09:31:50 the makefile will download, patch and build it Jul 02 09:34:10 patch? Is the -p option not all you need? Jul 02 09:34:46 but anyway cool :-) Jul 02 09:41:38 hape_: I wrote the -p option Jul 02 09:41:56 (and now have that as a patch to dmg2img) Jul 02 09:42:55 hape_: see packages/host/dmg2img/ Jul 02 09:43:36 ok, you are quick ... Jul 02 09:45:26 it is a small patch: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/cross-compile.git;a=blob;f=packages/host/dmg2img/dmg2img.patch Jul 02 09:47:59 seen it. Nice idea, so you do not need to search for the hex codes Jul 02 09:54:07 hape_: I will rewrite the pdl Makefile to use it Jul 02 09:57:24 Thanks, go for it. Jul 02 10:39:30 * bhuey wants to hear a freak'n announcement or leak of new Palm hardware in the pipes Jul 02 10:55:51 bhuey: There can be only HP! Jul 02 11:38:17 nom nom nom Jul 02 11:40:44 morn morn morn Jul 02 11:45:02 hey Jul 02 12:36:31 Still no 1.4.5 joy for the US? Jul 02 12:40:36 still no 1.4.5 here either Jul 02 12:45:58 First time that we in Germany are the first ^^ Jul 02 13:07:15 rwhitby: nope ;( Jul 02 13:07:24 maybe it will arrive tonight on sprint Jul 02 13:37:00 hape_: common/libpdl/Makefile is done Jul 02 13:39:04 rwhitby: suprep Jul 02 13:39:34 I will test it today evening if nothing comes inbetween Jul 02 13:42:15 hape_: you need libssl-dev, libz-dev, libbz2-dev and xar installed Jul 02 13:42:25 ok Jul 02 13:42:42 the .dmg is unpacked as part of the "toolchain" target Jul 02 13:42:46 rwhitby: would it be possibe to add navit to autobilder and it would compile pixi version? without me downloading widk? Jul 02 13:43:09 en0x: that is what hape_ and I are already doing Jul 02 13:43:10 rwhitby: my plan was to delete my TC and requild it from scratch to test it Jul 02 13:43:32 rwhitby: oh sorry havent see previous convos Jul 02 13:43:38 hape_: I am doing that right now with make -j8 Jul 02 13:44:04 rwhitby: u got pixi with 1.4.5 right? Jul 02 13:44:09 so 'make -j8' is a rebild all? Jul 02 13:44:12 en0x: pixi plus, yes. Jul 02 13:44:18 hape_: parallel make Jul 02 13:44:23 rwhitby: did u try 3d pre games on it? Jul 02 13:44:28 en0x: no Jul 02 13:44:46 why not? :( Jul 02 13:45:01 to frustrate you, of course. Jul 02 13:45:12 hehe Jul 02 13:45:17 and one more thing Jul 02 13:45:23 only one? Jul 02 13:45:40 if u want to i can bother you till u go to sleep Jul 02 13:46:08 that's the expected outcome of you bothering me, yes :) Jul 02 13:46:19 [; Jul 02 13:47:02 ok if i have my palm profile and i bought some apps on my pre... then i got pixi and i shutdown pre and login with my palm profile to pixi... when i remove my palm profile will it remove all of the apps from eighter pixi/pre? Jul 02 13:48:22 copy the apps over from the pre to the pixi Jul 02 13:48:49 i know i can do that but i wonder if i can use my palm profile to download all the apps that I bought Jul 02 13:48:53 it will delete /media/cryptofs/apps on the device which is no longer logged into the profile Jul 02 13:48:55 and then sign out from it Jul 02 13:49:08 oh thats a bummer :( Jul 02 13:49:58 you must have a low expectation of the security folks at Palm. if that was not the case you would have a world-wide trade in app'd-up profiles Jul 02 13:50:26 well but if u have two devices... then it's a different story Jul 02 13:50:38 how is it a different story? Jul 02 13:50:40 i seen ppl with 3 smartphones walking around idk for what but they were Jul 02 13:50:48 rwhitby: coz their mine? :> Jul 02 13:51:10 but still if no can do then i'm fine Jul 02 13:51:23 i will setup second profile then Jul 02 13:51:37 are you sure they are yours, or are you just renting them from your carrier? Jul 02 13:51:52 bought them out of contract Jul 02 13:52:15 so yes they are mine Jul 02 13:52:51 i wanted to make sure about the palm profile because my att pixi plus is arriving today Jul 02 13:52:55 i bought it on ebay Jul 02 13:55:46 en0x: How much did you paid for the Pixi? Jul 02 13:57:22 230 i was bidding Jul 02 13:57:27 brand new not opened Jul 02 13:57:47 they go for 299 at att store Jul 02 13:58:02 but they wont sell it to anybody out of contract if you do not have account with them Jul 02 13:58:11 coz i tried Jul 02 13:58:38 hape_: and if u get att pixi plus they have the obligation to give u unlock code Jul 02 13:58:58 http://consumerist.com/2010/05/to-settle-lawsuit-att-lets-you-unlock-anything-thats-not-an-iphone.html as per new lawsuit Jul 02 13:59:02 only if you have had an account with them for 90 days Jul 02 13:59:23 well if u on a contract and u have account with them for few years Jul 02 13:59:30 yes they will give u the unlock code Jul 02 13:59:50 rwhitby: anyone who have an account with them for over 90 days can get the unlock code for u Jul 02 14:00:02 talk to ur friends to call CS and request unlock code ;) Jul 02 14:16:46 hape_: just moved libgarmin, espeak and navit from packages/nonworking to packages/apps Jul 02 14:19:19 how do i install preware in my pre plus? Jul 02 14:20:42 hello Jul 02 14:20:55 there's a installation guide on preware.org Jul 02 14:21:15 http://install.preware.org/ is the answer Jul 02 14:21:23 but he's gone Jul 02 14:22:14 i liked the java app that used to be under install.preware.org Jul 02 14:22:31 so u did not needed wosqi Jul 02 14:26:18 rwhitby: ok Jul 02 14:26:58 en0x: it was never under there. it has always been under get.preware.org Jul 02 14:27:22 and even that is overkill. Just use the official Palm SDK and the official palm-install tool to install Preware. Jul 02 14:27:41 rwhitby: We need to check it carfully in 1.4.5. Some users in the German forum reported crashes in 1.4.5 with the old version. But this can be depandend on the old libs that are included in the ipks Jul 02 14:28:25 time to see if gnash builds Jul 02 14:30:13 oh yeah it was get.... stupid me :S Jul 02 17:23:40 hello out there... Jul 02 17:27:25 Hello Ziggy_ Jul 02 17:28:16 hi there...Im trying to add the preware software to my Palm pre so I dint throw it out the window Jul 02 17:28:39 i need to get the onscreen keyboard that a friend has goten Jul 02 17:33:06 Ziggy_: install.preware.org Jul 02 19:06:36 greetings. does anyone know what happened to kb_config.json ? Jul 02 19:10:59 uninstall and reinstall VKB and VKB Default Themes and Config Jul 02 19:11:42 egaudet: ok thanks, here we go... Jul 02 19:21:55 whats the easiest way to transfer some files to the pre without using a usb cable Jul 02 19:22:01 scp Jul 02 19:22:07 if u have ssh server on pre Jul 02 19:23:28 im just gonna go get the cable from the car lol Jul 02 19:24:54 egaudet: happy day! tyvm. Jul 02 19:26:21 Hi Everyone. Does anyone know if the virtual keyboard will word on the Palm Pre Plus Jul 02 19:26:34 word=work Jul 02 19:26:46 why should it not? Jul 02 19:27:24 well I would think it should, but it doesn't....unless I've done something wrong Jul 02 19:27:47 hmm Jul 02 19:27:48 I'm not just asking to be asking.....I'm asking because I thought this was a help room Jul 02 19:27:49 21:10 + egaudet > uninstall and reinstall VKB and VKB Default Themes and Config Jul 02 19:28:00 and it should work Jul 02 19:28:00 ; Jul 02 19:28:30 what locale? Jul 02 19:28:45 when I tap twice all that happens is the "card" minimizes and then maximizes back to original size Jul 02 19:28:47 double tap gesture area and wait 5 seconds (no triple tap) Jul 02 19:28:59 JusMeJim, don't tap the middle minimize "button" Jul 02 19:29:32 I wish that middle "button" would just go away for ever Jul 02 19:29:55 I'm tapping what I think is the gesture area Jul 02 19:30:05 JusMeJim: make sure Preware has it as an installed patch Jul 02 19:30:17 the horizontal "lighted line" below the screen? Jul 02 19:30:27 where's beerad Jul 02 19:30:40 JusMeJim, to the left or right of that lighted line Jul 02 19:30:52 I'm tapping right on the line Jul 02 19:31:03 the lighted line is a special "button" assumedly acting as a button due to the Pre non-plus having an actual button and being consistent Jul 02 19:31:05 and the card minimizes and then maximizes back to original size Jul 02 19:31:07 NOT on the line Jul 02 19:31:09 NOT Jul 02 19:31:49 is the line n ot what is considered the gesture ? Jul 02 19:32:10 JusMeJim, no it's a "button" IN the gesture area I guess you could say Jul 02 19:32:23 on the pre (non plus) there isa physical button there Jul 02 19:32:39 the gesture area is to the left and right of it Jul 02 19:32:52 where you initiate backswipe etc... Jul 02 19:33:00 ok, let me try Jul 02 19:34:16 egaudet: do you distinct beween left or right gesture click? Jul 02 19:34:23 if yes, how? Jul 02 19:34:36 Hmmmm......still nothing. tapped to the left, to the right, both sides at the same time.... Jul 02 19:34:38 MetaView, no Jul 02 19:34:42 you can't Jul 02 19:34:52 but the middle? Jul 02 19:35:23 JusMeJim, double tap to the right. When you hit it the center line lights up but the card doesn't minimize. Do not tap 3 times, do not tap 4 times, just wait 5 seconds after a quick double tap Jul 02 19:35:42 MetaView, I'm not sure any standard API can detect middle button Jul 02 19:36:08 ok, you can only say: gestuere area or not, right? Jul 02 19:36:21 but there is forward swipe too... hm Jul 02 19:36:30 ok, thx for the info :) Jul 02 19:36:38 MetaView, with the standard API, the gesture area is sent as a hard key event Jul 02 19:37:06 I believe backswipe and forwardswipe also come in as their own hard key event Jul 02 19:38:09 egaudet, my center line is already lit up. For instance if I'm sending a text message, I go to where I would enter text, and then "supposedly" double tap? Jul 02 19:39:06 yeah, make sure the cursor is blinking, and then double tap the gesture area (left or right of center line) and wait 4 seconds Jul 02 19:39:18 after double tap the cursor should stop blinking while it renders Jul 02 19:41:37 no dice. and just checked....it is installed in the patch directory....although the two other programs it installs along with it are installed in the linux application folder Jul 02 19:42:03 it only installs one other program with it Jul 02 19:42:08 try uninstalling them ALL and then reinstalling Jul 02 19:42:08 heh Jul 02 19:43:46 ok, will do. Thanks for your help. when I installed it says it installls 2 others....gnu patch, and Lsdiff Jul 02 19:44:28 oh yeah those, yeah that's for all patches sorry Jul 02 19:44:40 the newest VKB also installs VKB Default Themes and Config package Jul 02 19:44:41 remove that Jul 02 19:44:44 and the VKB Jul 02 19:44:46 (not lsdiff and patch) Jul 02 19:45:30 I dont see a config package? maybe thats the problem? Jul 02 19:45:48 update feeds in preware Jul 02 19:47:25 laterz Jul 02 20:10:32 Hey guys is there a known issue with trying to uninstall 3000 auto replace words patch? Ipk log no help Jul 02 20:18:30 I haven't had a problem with it Jul 02 20:18:33 what is the log saying? Jul 02 20:18:40 may not be of help to you, but to us it may be Jul 02 20:21:53 OK I min. Jul 02 20:22:39 Cryptk: Gotta load preware up Jul 02 20:24:16 or you can just get it from the USB partition Jul 02 20:24:20 webos-patches.log Jul 02 20:24:29 that is where it puts the log at Jul 02 20:24:54 I'm not around a comp. I"m on wIRC Jul 02 20:25:06 ahh Jul 02 20:25:11 you have terminal app? Jul 02 20:25:19 Yes sir Jul 02 20:25:21 cat /media/internal/webos-patches.log Jul 02 20:25:39 or open it with internals Jul 02 20:26:24 do you have any other autoreplace patches installed? Jul 02 20:27:30 I think I installed 100 autoreplace words but its not showing up in preware Jul 02 20:27:56 at the main preware screen type in autoreplace and press enter Jul 02 20:27:59 that should being them all up Jul 02 20:28:37 s/being/bring/ Jul 02 20:28:37 cryptk meant: that should bring them all up Jul 02 20:29:45 Yea 100 is not installed Jul 02 20:29:56 ok, what does the log say? Jul 02 20:30:28 Just 3000. Any way to scroll to the bottom of log in internalz via shortcut. My log is huge Jul 02 20:30:58 nope Jul 02 20:31:24 but you should be able to close preware, delete the log, try and remove only the 3000 patch Jul 02 20:31:32 then you will get a log of only the 3000 removal Jul 02 20:31:34 Ok Jul 02 20:37:19 Ugh internalz won't let me copy pase Jul 02 20:37:21 Paste Jul 02 20:39:23 Cryptk: is there a way to copy paste? I don't know what info you need from log Jul 02 20:40:19 what is the last line? Jul 02 20:40:38 Its looong Jul 02 20:40:52 does it look anything like an error? Jul 02 20:41:32 Last line says *** failed *** but I assume you wanypt the line before that Jul 02 20:41:45 if failed is the only thing on the last line then yes Jul 02 20:42:19 can you email the log file? Jul 02 20:42:30 if so I will give you my addy and you can send it to me Jul 02 20:43:01 44/44 hunks failed Jul 02 20:43:21 hrm... what carrier are you on? Jul 02 20:43:47 Saving copy of rejects to 'path here Jul 02 20:43:54 Bell in canada Jul 02 20:44:04 you guys haven't gotten the update yet have you? Jul 02 20:44:09 I can email it Jul 02 20:44:28 hang on a sec, that may not be necessary Jul 02 20:44:32 Which update? There's is update? Jul 02 20:44:48 there is one coming out soon yes Jul 02 20:44:48 Is an IS update? Jul 02 20:44:51 Ffs Jul 02 20:44:56 it has already come out for O2 Jul 02 20:45:26 did you do a full or partial erase recently? Jul 02 20:46:14 This is why I need to get rid of this thing. It replaces perfectly good acronyms with stuff and I type with my eyes on the keys Jul 02 20:47:14 try running Emergency Patch Installer Jul 02 20:47:21 it seems like the patch may not be installed Jul 02 20:47:39 I jsut messaged you my email addy Jul 02 20:47:42 send me the log Jul 02 20:49:34 Sent might get disconnected. My workplace building has terrible reception and I just got in Jul 02 20:50:40 I have 0 bars 1x right now lol Jul 02 20:51:20 that is pretty odd... Jul 02 20:51:28 you could restore the file it patches... Jul 02 21:19:36 quick question about att pixi plus Jul 02 21:19:47 does all of them come with compatible back touchstone? Jul 02 21:24:36 I think they do Jul 02 21:25:12 afaik the blue one is not touchstone compatible Jul 02 21:25:53 well, you can pull the cover off and see if it has the touchstone stuff in it Jul 02 21:26:16 or just try and put it on a touchstone Jul 02 21:27:05 well, I'll be damned... I am reading online that the blue one IS NOT a touchstone back Jul 02 21:28:45 Odd, we sell a blue one in our store that is a touchstone back Jul 02 21:29:21 chrisa, is it an att store? Jul 02 21:29:40 sup? Jul 02 21:29:44 I have read that there ARE blue touchstone backs, but they are a different shade of blue and they do not come with the phone Jul 02 21:30:32 cryptk: did you look at the log? Jul 02 21:32:06 yes Jul 02 21:32:22 I am not sure why it isn't removing... Jul 02 21:32:30 Hmm Jul 02 21:32:41 you can try restoring just that one particular file... or wait for the big heads to chime in Jul 02 21:32:49 people like rwhitby and whatnot Jul 02 21:34:03 Do they come on often? Meaning do they come 'around' often Jul 02 21:34:10 yes Jul 02 21:34:14 Ok Jul 02 21:34:16 rwhitby is on almost every day Jul 02 21:34:27 usually in the afternoon/evening Jul 02 21:34:32 Ok Jul 02 21:35:59 what's not removing Jul 02 21:37:13 lol att is saying that the pixi cannot be unlocked Jul 02 21:37:13 :S Jul 02 21:38:04 Egaudet: 3000 autoreplace words patch Jul 02 21:38:26 emoney_33@yahoo.com send me webos-patches.log Jul 02 21:38:47 they say that this phone is active on another account Jul 02 21:38:52 shit ebay Jul 02 21:41:00 egaudet: : sent Jul 02 21:43:11 ok so the phone is active on other account Jul 02 21:43:19 but the ebay seller told me it's brand new eh Jul 02 21:43:29 and it was but probably they took it on contract Jul 02 21:43:34 did the auction say it is brand new? Jul 02 21:43:44 if so you can get a refund Jul 02 21:43:45 yap Jul 02 21:43:53 you use paypal? Jul 02 21:44:03 yap Jul 02 21:44:04 Today up for bids is a brand new Palm Pixi Plus for Att which has ONLY been taken out of the box to take pictures of the phone just put your sim card in and your ready to go thanks! Jul 02 21:44:17 if so, then you are covered Jul 02 21:44:24 you can fight that crap and get refunded Jul 02 21:44:25 i sent email to the seller telling him to deactivate the phone on his account Jul 02 21:45:11 anivrom, what other patches do you have applied to that file Jul 02 21:45:24 No clue how do I check Jul 02 21:45:39 did you recently do a partial or full erase or manually remove the patches log? Jul 02 21:46:43 do you hav 100 more autoreplace installed? Jul 02 21:46:51 egaudet: I deleted the log file in order to get the error from the patch cause the log file was too big Jul 02 21:47:19 well that defeats the purpose of the log unfortunately Jul 02 21:47:25 I don't have 100 installed according to preware Jul 02 21:47:28 the history of why this situation arose is now gone :/ Jul 02 21:47:38 try to install 100 via preware Jul 02 21:47:50 en0x: why in the world would you buy a phone on ebay without verifying the esn? Jul 02 21:47:56 en0x: i should kick you for that stupidity Jul 02 21:48:00 Cryptx told me to do it :( Jul 02 21:48:28 en0x: the esn is probably not in use. it's probably suspended due to non-payment Jul 02 21:48:30 100 is probably installed so install it via preware and then remove it Jul 02 21:48:32 and then remove 3000 Jul 02 21:48:45 Ok Jul 02 21:48:51 en0x: he doesn't want to pay his bill/disconnection fee, so he's trying to recoop the phone cost. you can't activate that phone. Jul 02 21:49:30 Tman_mac: how did the armv6 testing go on the widk? Jul 02 21:51:06 zsoc: i put my sim card from att Jul 02 21:51:17 and went thru palm activation and it worked fine Jul 02 21:51:33 en0x: oh, i thought it was cdma Jul 02 21:51:35 i just want to unlock it so it will be sim lock free Jul 02 21:51:39 zsoc: att gsm Jul 02 21:51:43 en0x: oh well then you're fine :p Jul 02 21:52:06 yes but I wanted to unlock it for free thru att Jul 02 21:52:14 they sell unlock codes on ebay for 20 bucks Jul 02 21:52:50 ATT is the one company I really don't have connections at Jul 02 21:52:55 well, except for blackberries Jul 02 21:52:55 sry Jul 02 21:53:08 egaudet, I checked that no others were isntalled first Jul 02 21:53:36 zsoc: hehe Jul 02 21:54:40 Warcraft time Jul 02 22:01:10 egaudet: it won't let me even install 100 autoreplace words Jul 02 22:01:24 Want the log? Jul 02 22:02:44 I wonder if the forkbomb still works on the pre Jul 02 22:03:03 well that file was modified by something Jul 02 22:03:17 anivrom, can you novaterm in? Jul 02 22:03:38 I don't know what you mean exactly Jul 02 22:04:16 I have quickinstall and I know it has to do with that Jul 02 22:07:35 wow... getting bad function name when trying to forkbomb my phone... seems they fixed that... Jul 02 22:07:42 novaterm is not QI, but we can use QI command line to accomplish it... Jul 02 22:08:35 Ok Jul 02 22:09:43 zsoc: I haven't made much progress since last night, been travelling. Anyways I updated my repo and tried to do a `make stage` without any modifications and I'm getting error building dmg2img Jul 02 22:10:31 zsoc: specifically, it can't find the zlib.h or bzlib.h headers Jul 02 22:10:39 Tman_mac: hmm... i think happens while running my not-so-fancy pdl extraction script Jul 02 22:11:08 Tman_mac: try manually staging those headers first for those packages (i think they are in common/, just do a 'make stage' in each folder) Jul 02 22:11:35 ok, nevermind, forkbomb def still works, lol Jul 02 22:11:35 ok sec Jul 02 22:14:35 zsoc: actually dmg2img is built for the host.. maybe I just need to install some libs Jul 02 22:14:50 hmmm mebee Jul 02 22:14:51 Anivrom, in QI command line type the following Jul 02 22:14:57 ok Jul 02 22:15:08 md5sum /etc/palm/autoreplace/en_us/text-edit-autoreplace Jul 02 22:15:56 1057defc757414548fa6fc085e712c40 /etc/palm/autoreplace/en_us/text-edit-autoreplace Jul 02 22:17:17 webos 1.4.1? Jul 02 22:17:22 mhm Jul 02 22:17:41 zsoc: zlib1g-dev got rid of the zlib.h error.. now to find bzlib.h Jul 02 22:19:44 Tman_mac, libbz2-dev? Jul 02 22:20:12 yeah that's the one I think Jul 02 22:20:20 just checked the wiki :p Jul 02 22:23:28 Anivrom, type: Jul 02 22:23:29 df -h Jul 02 22:24:26 email me that text-edit file Jul 02 22:24:35 Tman_mac: how usable do you feel agar is? Do you think it's possible for a single developer to develop a simple front end in less than 20 days, start to finish, to port an existing app from another platform? Jul 02 22:25:03 * oilsworkn can in webos Jul 02 22:28:09 zsoc: well it's designed to be extremely flexible so that you can place it in an existing application, instead of rebuilding the application around it Jul 02 22:28:46 Tman_mac: that's a good start :> ty Jul 02 22:29:02 zsoc: it uses some C hackish OOP, heh, which is a little confusing but not too bad. if you're integrating into C++ you might need some adapter code for callback functions etc. Jul 02 22:29:12 no problem! Jul 02 22:29:49 nope, it's all C atm Jul 02 22:34:23 rwhitby: new TC is working. PDK, espeak and Navit compiles without problems. I added the new required libs to the WIPDK wiki page. Jul 02 22:36:50 hmm Jul 02 22:37:04 this black cover is not touchstone compatible Jul 02 22:37:17 'sux Jul 02 22:37:48 i thought that only the blue one is not touchstone compatible Jul 02 22:37:49 from att Jul 02 23:25:05 Lots of ppl here Jul 02 23:25:23 Hi people Jul 02 23:25:45 Hi diddly ho ppl! Jul 02 23:26:00 hei ho neighboreeno Jul 02 23:26:12 diddly doodly Jul 02 23:27:10 so i've had a broken device for the longest time - & i was supposedly the only one Jul 02 23:27:23 turns out no one bothered to upgrade the modem firmware version in trunk Jul 02 23:27:32 & everyone else had gone through 1.4.5 first Jul 02 23:27:36 i was going insane Jul 02 23:30:00 Im still waiting for 1.4.5 Jul 02 23:30:16 meh - it's not a big release Jul 02 23:30:19 unless you're on pixie Jul 02 23:30:28 It still gives me a reason to doctor my phone Jul 02 23:30:37 Its so tweaked and bugged... lol Jul 02 23:30:51 thank god for backup/restore right? Jul 02 23:30:59 Yep Jul 02 23:31:00 i wish we really marketed the crap out of that feature Jul 02 23:31:05 I plan on relying on that :) Jul 02 23:31:07 well I mean Jul 02 23:31:37 Any of you guys with VZW? Jul 02 23:31:39 would 1.4.5 increase a pre user's chance of being able to play a game without rebootinh Jul 02 23:32:08 maybe Jul 02 23:32:16 i don't know what kind of memory reduction work went into it Jul 02 23:32:23 rather i can't recall Jul 02 23:32:30 it was a while back Jul 02 23:33:01 photos app IIRC works a lot better (I found the reason it was hanging) Jul 02 23:33:02 so there are a few minor bugfixes in that respect? Jul 02 23:33:03 hybrids :) Jul 02 23:33:13 sweet! Jul 02 23:33:26 I already thought the photos app ran really well Jul 02 23:33:28 don't take my word for it Jul 02 23:33:49 torchie-pre - on certain big images it would essentially lock up decoding the full image Jul 02 23:33:53 beelzabub: Do you ever know what the carriers are supposed to be doing once they get their filthy mits on the builds? Jul 02 23:33:57 so you couldn't swipe until it decoded it fully Jul 02 23:34:02 no Jul 02 23:34:11 not on the carrier side of things Jul 02 23:34:28 any changes to the videos app? Jul 02 23:34:31 I dont think hybrid apps are a part of 1.4.5 Jul 02 23:34:42 they cut off a chickens head, and it runs around on this big game board, and wherever it stops is the decision they make Jul 02 23:34:43 the videos I loaded on the device randomly don't work Jul 02 23:34:51 beelzabub: removing the debug configs had a significant reduction in the size of uImage iirc Jul 02 23:34:56 oilsworkn, sounds like my work ethics Jul 02 23:34:58 dunno about videos Jul 02 23:35:01 lol Jul 02 23:35:08 jhoatt1 - careful Jul 02 23:35:09 sprint's chicken will land on "NEEDS MORE NASCAR" Jul 02 23:35:14 uImage != RAM used Jul 02 23:35:15 hahah Jul 02 23:35:21 I know Jul 02 23:35:26 it explicitely mentions that in the docs Jul 02 23:35:32 we don't care about size of uImage Jul 02 23:35:38 haven't gotten a pixi yet to measure yet Jul 02 23:35:40 anyone want a palm tshirt? http://forums.precentral.net/palm-general-chat/253652-palm-clothing.html#post2537069 Jul 02 23:35:42 I just VZW to fix my GPS with Google Maps. That's all. Jul 02 23:35:47 next week Jul 02 23:36:04 I get one. excited Jul 02 23:36:04 Yeah is everyone else's gogole maps taking reeeeally long to load? Jul 02 23:36:12 * oilsworkn wants that palm forever shirt someone posted an image of :) Jul 02 23:36:20 me too Jul 02 23:37:00 oilsworkn, *wink* I made that Jul 02 23:37:07 Idk if Zazzle will make it though Jul 02 23:37:16 palm forever shirt? Jul 02 23:37:19 wirc is awesome. just sayin... Jul 02 23:37:34 BeeRad: after 145 drops you can play with wirc 030 Jul 02 23:37:49 its way more awesomer Jul 02 23:38:06 torchie-pre, scroll up for the link Jul 02 23:38:06 what's it got Jul 02 23:38:08 oilsworkn: differences? Jul 02 23:38:34 there is a slightly out of date changelog on the trac wiki Jul 02 23:38:39 I like awesomer. Jul 02 23:38:44 pics and link to buy the t shirt Jul 02 23:38:46 oil you keep teasing with 030 Jul 02 23:38:59 http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/wIRC on the right Jul 02 23:39:13 though that hasn't been updated in a week or two Jul 02 23:40:26 oy and I thought the client was already awesome Jul 02 23:40:35 let's take a peek here Jul 02 23:41:16 one thing not on the list is custom command aliases Jul 02 23:41:38 and it parses mirc-style color codes Jul 02 23:41:44 on incomming messages/topics Jul 02 23:42:39 anyways Jul 02 23:42:43 * oilsworkn leaves work Jul 02 23:42:56 <-- IRC nOOb. Just don't make it more difficult. lol Jul 02 23:43:06 wIRC is an orgasm in my hands. I use it all day :/ Jul 02 23:43:56 def. better than pocketirc on winmo Jul 02 23:44:16 mhm. mainly user friendly features that set it apart Jul 02 23:44:20 treo pro, dark days ;-; Jul 02 23:44:37 yeah, the interface is great Jul 02 23:45:32 wow i cant send text msgs to a contact i just added Jul 02 23:45:36 what could be causing this Jul 02 23:45:42 i hit the SMS baloon and nothing happens Jul 02 23:45:51 i deleted him and readded and still cant send SMS Jul 02 23:47:21 I just had to make a new profile for using wirc because 1.05 GHz isn't necessarily needed for chat now is it? lol Jul 02 23:51:37 What I can't wait for the the new GUI for the WIRC main stage Jul 02 23:51:48 the one they have mocked up in the traq is super sezy Jul 02 23:52:42 http://i50.tinypic.com/10xrqyp.png Jul 02 23:55:24 ooo that's nice. ;) Jul 02 23:58:52 can't wait for that one Jul 03 00:00:24 catch you guys later. putting my new desk together. :) Jul 03 00:00:45 is there a way to get a light theme in spaz Jul 03 00:23:56 okay. I need people to test the nginx package from preware. just pushed a new version with a placeholder index.html. should be nginx-5 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/253433-nginx-web-server.html Jul 03 00:24:22 jhojho, on it Jul 03 00:25:04 Palm, give us new hardware on Sprint now ! Jul 03 00:27:35 jhojho, If you can read this, the install was successful. Jul 03 00:28:09 awesome. can you post a followup on that precentral link then that it works for you? Jul 03 00:30:42 done Jul 03 00:32:03 actually, my phone is hanging on power down... Jul 03 00:32:36 jhojho, ^^ Jul 03 00:32:40 CRAP Jul 03 00:33:35 ping me when you have it powered Jul 03 00:33:37 up Jul 03 00:33:38 again Jul 03 00:33:42 lets see if we can debug Jul 03 00:33:46 ok, it is on it's way up now Jul 03 00:35:24 when it's up, console/ssh in Jul 03 00:35:43 see if you can do a stop mobi.optware.nginx Jul 03 00:36:27 seems like it did stop Jul 03 00:36:47 yep, I can stop and start it at will from novaterm Jul 03 00:36:58 wth Jul 03 00:37:28 why is it hanging then... hmm Jul 03 00:37:35 ok, so it is stopped but I am still seeing some nginx proceses running Jul 03 00:37:46 so maybe it isn't completely stopping Jul 03 00:38:06 is it just taking it's time to stop? Jul 03 00:38:16 or it's just hanging around Jul 03 00:38:39 looks like theya re just hanging around Jul 03 00:38:55 an nginx master process and two worker processes Jul 03 00:39:30 where (and/or how) are memos saved? Jul 03 00:39:34 GRR Jul 03 00:40:04 * halfhalo is writing his first titanium app Jul 03 00:40:55 also, the PID's that the console is showing when I start the process don't match up with the PID's reported by ps Jul 03 00:41:41 jhojho, http://webos.pastebin.com/5xhbPmJ5 Jul 03 00:42:30 what do you see in /var/run? Jul 03 00:42:39 /var/run/nginx.pid that is Jul 03 00:43:59 2204 Jul 03 00:44:02 that has the right PID Jul 03 00:44:35 hmm I'm not a upstart ninja so lememe think Jul 03 00:44:36 but when I issue a stop command it tries to stop PID 2282 Jul 03 00:45:12 WHEN YOU STEP OUT OF LINE, IT'S TIME TO KILL DASH NINE Jul 03 00:45:18 tsk tsk Jul 03 00:45:21 lol Jul 03 00:45:26 haha, dash nine isn't needed Jul 03 00:45:30 it kills just fine Jul 03 00:45:32 * jhojho kill -9s zoc Jul 03 00:45:34 jsut not with the script Jul 03 00:45:51 what if you add pid file /var/run/nginx.pid to the upstart script Jul 03 00:46:16 ?? Jul 03 00:47:17 https://pastee.org/cead Jul 03 00:47:37 replace your existing /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.nginx with that Jul 03 00:47:37 oh, gotcha Jul 03 00:49:03 can you also post the output of stop mobi.optware.nginx Jul 03 00:51:04 closer Jul 03 00:52:36 http://webos.pastebin.com/0SLpGGyX Jul 03 00:53:05 and a ps after the stop shows the same first three processes in the first ps does Jul 03 00:53:44 crap Jul 03 00:55:29 cryptk: you said you know linux. figure it out =P Jul 03 00:57:08 okay Jul 03 00:57:09 do this Jul 03 00:57:27 at the cmd line, say /opt/sbin/nginx -s stop Jul 03 00:57:32 and then do a ps Jul 03 00:57:36 lessee if it stops Jul 03 00:57:53 indeed it did Jul 03 00:59:17 okay. try this modified upstart script then Jul 03 00:59:18 https://pastee.org/xj6ze Jul 03 00:59:31 try starting, then stopping and seeing if it still hangs around Jul 03 00:59:35 it's a little hackish Jul 03 00:59:38 but oh well Jul 03 01:00:20 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2537197&posted=1#post2537197 :) Jul 03 01:00:38 got it Jul 03 01:01:16 lemme start the service and see if it doesn't hang on shutdown Jul 03 01:02:05 oil sometimes the colors selected are horrible for use on a light background Jul 03 01:02:16 ..... in 024 it is xD Jul 03 01:02:27 killing me Jul 03 01:02:39 its not my fault we've already fixed everything you're just now seeing :) Jul 03 01:02:39 i'm going to be happy when everyone moves to 1.4.5 Jul 03 01:02:49 not more multi kernel builds Jul 03 01:03:34 well, that was interesting Jul 03 01:03:42 that's not good Jul 03 01:03:44 hit device restart... phone went down, didn't come back up Jul 03 01:03:52 power button did nothing Jul 03 01:03:53 wth? Jul 03 01:03:59 battery pull is bringing it back up though... Jul 03 01:04:01 not me I swear Jul 03 01:04:07 I am gonna let it boot up and try it again Jul 03 01:04:33 what is this magic battery pull. I have NEVER done a battery pull except to read the serial number Jul 03 01:05:13 power button + ringer toggle didn't restart it Jul 03 01:05:22 orange sym r didn't Jul 03 01:05:29 novaterm wouldn't connect Jul 03 01:05:40 are there any other ways? Jul 03 01:06:19 power wiggle Jul 03 01:06:38 search the logs for it Jul 03 01:06:56 iirc it's hold the power button, and toggle the ringer quickly Jul 03 01:07:05 yes Jul 03 01:07:12 power button + ringer toggle didn't restart it Jul 03 01:07:23 hold power, flip ringer switch 3 times Jul 03 01:08:15 musta been a weird one time glitch Jul 03 01:08:20 this time it rebooted just fine Jul 03 01:11:42 ok Jul 03 01:27:02 cryptk: Jul 03 01:27:03 ? Jul 03 01:27:07 got disconnected Jul 03 01:35:24 I didn't say anything Jul 03 01:35:28 hmm Jul 03 01:35:31 but the last upstart script works great Jul 03 01:36:05 yikes.. git is confusing Jul 03 01:38:41 Tman: git is amazing. Jul 03 01:38:43 Tman: questions? Jul 03 01:46:29 really? Jul 03 01:46:33 it keeps exploding for me Jul 03 01:46:44 the last upstart script Jul 03 01:46:46 that is Jul 03 01:46:58 zsoc: nah. it is amazing, just more complex as a result. I figured it out :p Jul 03 01:47:24 is save/restore supposed to show up in the launcher? Jul 03 01:47:38 or is it hidden in the json file? Jul 03 01:48:17 nm i found it, heh Jul 03 01:51:38 okay Jul 03 01:51:45 figured out the problem Jul 03 01:52:27 rwhitby: I'm pretty sure I have armv6 working, except that you have to do a `make clobber-armv7` first. Having the plain build/ dir with no ARCH suffix creates problems Jul 03 01:55:43 cryptk: okay I think i figured it out Jul 03 01:55:51 it's a combination of having the pid command Jul 03 01:56:03 pid param and modifying the exec line Jul 03 01:56:14 I just pushed nginx-6 out Jul 03 01:56:28 it should get picked up soon by the autobuilder. please test then Jul 03 01:57:21 jhojho, ok Jul 03 02:09:07 Tman: good to hear :0 Jul 03 02:09:30 * jhojho waits impatiently for the autobuilder to pack up nginx Jul 03 02:09:47 * egaudet hopes the autobuilder is building my uinput module Jul 03 02:09:51 anyone knnow the overlap of the pre backup util vs saverestore? Jul 03 02:09:58 egaudet, ping Jul 03 02:10:14 the autobuilder log doesn't make sense to me Jul 03 02:10:17 cryptk, pong Jul 03 02:10:22 egaudet: me first me first ! Jul 03 02:10:35 jhojho first, I am sure his is more important Jul 03 02:10:38 uinput only needs to build the kernel 3 times Jul 03 02:10:39 :P Jul 03 02:10:45 hhahah Jul 03 02:10:55 I look forward to everyone being on 1.4.5 for that reason Jul 03 02:11:03 egaudet, whaddya know, my question was about uinput... and it's mysterious invisible location in preware Jul 03 02:11:04 no cryptk mine is definitely not important Jul 03 02:11:05 kernel builds will not take 4x the time Jul 03 02:11:05 lol Jul 03 02:11:27 egaudet, I was waying whatever jhojho wanted was more important Jul 03 02:11:39 Keyboss recommends installing uInput from preware... but where is it? Jul 03 02:11:55 now i need to figure out how to use git and the kernel sources Jul 03 02:12:08 my gitfu is sadly not strong Jul 03 02:12:11 cryptk, it's uhh stuck in the netherworlds Jul 03 02:12:21 I'm trying to find out Jul 03 02:12:21 ahh, stuck in the autobuilder, gotcha Jul 03 02:12:33 netherworlds = autobuilder Jul 03 02:12:45 we use Hudson at work... which one do you guys use? Jul 03 02:12:49 cryptk, you are on top of things huh, that KeyBoss just went into the test feed less than 5 minutes ago :P Jul 03 02:13:01 it's called rwhitby-ka6sox Jul 03 02:13:09 yeah I hosed myself for about a half hour last night trying to build the latest patches with the 1.4.5 final doctor... had some changes checked in on my local branch and some uncommitted changes, and did a 'git pull'. Jul 03 02:13:24 I was keeping an eye on preware for the new nginx web server to show up so I can test it for jhojho and I saw the update for VKB Jul 03 02:13:33 lol Jul 03 02:13:53 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-tinker.preware.org-last.txt Jul 03 02:14:00 I see no mention of uinput but yet a -0 was built... Jul 03 02:16:17 rwhitby, ka6sox ping Jul 03 02:25:52 okay nginx-6 is out Jul 03 02:26:04 cryptk: can you test pls? Jul 03 02:26:13 my phone is now in use as the hotspot Jul 03 02:26:41 * egaudet moves uinput to testing-kernels feed Jul 03 02:30:09 jhojho, doing it now Jul 03 02:32:15 website loads Jul 03 02:32:18 testing the reboot Jul 03 02:33:03 jhojho, seems to be rebooting fine Jul 03 02:33:07 it is on it's way abck up now Jul 03 02:34:09 jhojho, I think it is good Jul 03 02:35:01 okay Jul 03 02:35:04 jhojho, updated the thread on PC Jul 03 02:35:06 thanks Jul 03 02:35:43 now I have to figure out... what the hell do I need a web server on my phone for? Jul 03 02:36:17 web-base remote control Jul 03 02:36:33 eg file browser in html/js Jul 03 02:36:39 so u can access (upload/download) files Jul 03 02:36:48 explose all data (contracts, messages etc.) via web ui's Jul 03 02:36:59 so when u are sitting at home on your laptop or desktop Jul 03 02:37:03 and your phone is there on wifi too Jul 03 02:37:12 just go to http://phone/ Jul 03 02:37:14 and presto Jul 03 02:37:27 not everyone's cup of tea Jul 03 02:37:32 but will make some people happy Jul 03 02:45:25 ka6sox-wIRC, are the testing feeds and regular feeds all built by the same autobuild? Jul 03 02:45:30 tinker logs? Jul 03 02:47:18 alright I guess it's building now Jul 03 02:47:26 (and yes to answer my own question) Jul 03 02:48:19 awesome uinput in test-kernels feed Jul 03 02:49:29 where (and/or how) are memos saved? Jul 03 02:50:07 to a html5 database Jul 03 02:50:12 with html5 database commands Jul 03 02:51:05 oil: where are the database files saved? Jul 03 02:51:14 i dont know exactly Jul 03 02:52:04 note to self, never let people who write ventrilo clients into your vent, lol Jul 03 02:52:09 haha Jul 03 02:52:13 lol Jul 03 02:53:17 rather impressed with the hotspot running with warthog Jul 03 02:53:27 yeah? Jul 03 02:53:30 averaging 34C Jul 03 02:53:35 wow. Jul 03 02:53:37 I'm happy Jul 03 02:54:30 and it's pretty speedy too. Jul 03 02:56:39 battery? Jul 03 02:57:02 no Jul 03 02:57:11 that's just silly Jul 03 02:57:31 off a charger at 500mhz which is fine with me Jul 03 02:57:33 not hotspot, overall, hows it eating that Jul 03 02:57:43 batt is fine for me Jul 03 02:58:31 nioce. Jul 03 02:58:39 I used wirc on the phone for 5 or 6 hrs straight on screenstate 500/1050 and still had 30% left Jul 03 02:59:09 but then again warthog is experimental Jul 03 02:59:27 no support provided but it works for me Jul 03 02:59:36 :D Jul 03 02:59:38 cheers. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 03 02:59:56 2010