**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 04 02:59:57 2010 Jul 04 03:05:54 hrm... looks like I am gonna have to set up libmpg123 in WIDK Jul 04 03:07:14 not too sure on the cross compiling stuff... Jul 04 03:07:40 if I have a library, and it's dev packages on my computer, do I need to specifically cross compile it or does sb2 do that for me? Jul 04 03:08:06 the one on your computer is i686 probably. not going to run too well on an arm Jul 04 03:12:15 you don't want to use any libs on your computer Jul 04 03:12:33 well, I have the mpg123.h file in my /usr/include, would that help? Jul 04 03:12:36 ok Jul 04 03:12:37 ? Jul 04 03:13:12 cryptk: why not just build it in WIDK? Jul 04 03:13:22 Tman, that is what I am doing Jul 04 03:13:27 but I have never done this before Jul 04 03:13:39 still waiting on make stage Jul 04 03:13:48 right. it takes awhile Jul 04 03:14:30 if you have multicore processor I would suggest using -j4 (or more) to help speed things up Jul 04 03:14:53 did you do 'make -j5'? Jul 04 03:15:01 or just make Jul 04 03:15:10 make -j8 works well for widk now :) Jul 04 03:15:22 wo I can do make stage -j4? Jul 04 03:15:26 I only have 2 core Jul 04 03:15:39 and use 2n+e Jul 04 03:15:39 cryptk: stage after -j4 Jul 04 03:15:56 2n+1 rule Jul 04 03:15:57 wow... that is alot faster Jul 04 03:16:00 of thumb Jul 04 03:16:10 2n+1??? Jul 04 03:16:12 parallel make jobs Jul 04 03:16:14 ftw Jul 04 03:16:27 where n is number of cores Jul 04 03:16:29 it can depend on your specific processor and ram as well Jul 04 03:16:46 but that's a good baseline rule Jul 04 03:16:52 yeah well ram is not an issue Jul 04 03:16:55 dtzWill: did an awesome job making widk work in parallel for packages, and Tman is going to make it work for archs too Jul 04 03:17:03 unless you go crazy Jul 04 03:17:14 so if I have 4 cores I could technically do make -j9 stage? Jul 04 03:17:15 like -j100 will stall your pc Jul 04 03:17:20 for 5 years Jul 04 03:17:36 rwhitby: yeah, I'm thinking a branch might be good so other people can test it? slash fix things Jul 04 03:17:36 cryptk yeah Jul 04 03:17:45 Tman: yeo Jul 04 03:17:50 Tman: yep even Jul 04 03:17:51 wish I knew about that an hour ago, lol Jul 04 03:18:05 most people just do the 2n rule though Jul 04 03:18:15 ok. we'll see if I can figure out the git stuff :p Jul 04 03:18:22 I love guake Jul 04 03:18:32 it is so convienient Jul 04 03:18:41 someone broke cross-compile.git Jul 04 03:18:49 guake? Jul 04 03:18:57 it is a drop down terminal Jul 04 03:18:59 I don't even want to know Jul 04 03:19:04 like the console in alot of first person shooters Jul 04 03:19:12 egaudet: hopefully not me. what's wong Jul 04 03:19:28 you press a button and it drops down, you use it, same button hides it, but whatever you were doing keeps on running Jul 04 03:19:29 wrong* Jul 04 03:19:41 you can do multiple tabs and whatnot in it as well Jul 04 03:19:42 egaudet-ubuntu> git pull Jul 04 03:19:42 remote: Counting objects: 505, done. Jul 04 03:19:43 remote: Compressing objects: 100% (130/130), done. Jul 04 03:19:43 remote: Total 255 (delta 123), reused 146 (delta 64) Jul 04 03:19:43 Receiving objects: 100% (255/255), 26.73 KiB, done. Jul 04 03:19:44 Resolving deltas: 100% (123/123), completed with 66 local objects. Jul 04 03:19:46 From git.webos-internals.org:/preware/cross-compile Jul 04 03:19:48 + cfaf94a...e6de62d HEAD -> origin/HEAD (forced update) Jul 04 03:19:50 error: Ref refs/remotes/origin/master is at e6de62da7e33106c3f035d7503f9a385df3b3ebb but expected cfaf94abdfa6b51a056ce3952a35bce0508282db Jul 04 03:19:53 ! cfaf94a..aedbb9a master -> origin/master (unable to update local ref) Jul 04 03:19:55 DOH Jul 04 03:19:57 sorry Jul 04 03:20:18 hmm the 2nd git pull worked Jul 04 03:20:24 yeah. noob :p Jul 04 03:20:27 yeah that was my experience with that issue Jul 04 03:20:32 but now every git pull does that (forced update) Jul 04 03:20:40 instead of reporting everything up to date Jul 04 03:20:50 :s Jul 04 03:20:58 egaudet: yeah, I had the same problem. anyone know why? Jul 04 03:21:18 no clue Jul 04 03:21:57 so.. can you do make -jover9000? Jul 04 03:21:58 lol Jul 04 03:22:36 cryptk, guake++ :) Jul 04 03:23:04 indeed, it is the most convenient terminal I have ever used Jul 04 03:23:58 rwhitby: dunno. google forced update. git is opaque sometimes Jul 04 03:26:12 I need a patch which changes the quick launch launcher icon to be something else Jul 04 03:26:47 I really wanan quote something you have told me in the past... Jul 04 03:27:26 cryptk: yeah, patches welcome Jul 04 03:27:33 that's not it... Jul 04 03:27:49 you have told me in the past... "Let me know when you are finished with it" Jul 04 03:27:50 lol Jul 04 03:28:27 ah, that line only works when you're telling someone what their program should do :) Jul 04 03:31:22 rwhitby, quick launch launcher icon? Jul 04 03:31:46 what are you a themer Jul 04 03:32:08 egaudet: I swipe from bottom to bring up launcher. I don't need an icon for it. I want to put another icon there. Jul 04 03:32:25 rwhitby, yeah I'd like that too but no patch will make that happen Jul 04 03:32:27 yeah that would be good Jul 04 03:32:42 I thought it was a luna thing Jul 04 03:32:48 we'd need to trace down Jul 04 03:39:04 hrm... wonder if it is in the code for the quick launch bar... Jul 04 03:39:51 egaudet: I'm wondering if the StageAssistant in luna-applauncher/app-assistant.js could have code added to distinguish whether it has been activated by a tap on the quick launch icon, or a launcher gesture. Jul 04 03:40:09 egaudet: then it could push a scene from another app instead Jul 04 03:40:14 then you just change the icon and you're done Jul 04 03:40:48 but you would have to re-patch it to change what app it launches Jul 04 03:41:22 cryptk, well if you got that far you'd just patch a menu launchable from app launcher to decide what it does Jul 04 03:41:28 i.e. preference Jul 04 03:41:39 true Jul 04 03:41:42 but that's a good thought rwhitby Jul 04 03:41:52 make stage Jul 04 03:41:55 oops Jul 04 03:42:59 rwhitby: If I've created and checked out a branch, once I do a push will it stay away from the master banch? Jul 04 03:43:15 Tman: depends what you tell git Jul 04 03:43:25 git push origin source:destination Jul 04 03:43:41 where destination is the name of the branch? Jul 04 03:45:18 and source? :/ Jul 04 03:45:48 Flashpass, are you even here? Jul 04 03:45:56 lol Jul 04 03:45:56 I still have no idea why the launcher icon for warthog does not show up Jul 04 03:46:14 jhoatt1, I have been wondering that myself Jul 04 03:46:21 happened a few revisions ago Jul 04 03:46:21 jhoatt1: I removed the quotes from your URL in the description - did that fix it? Jul 04 03:46:32 dunno Jul 04 03:46:45 will have to try. maybe that's it Jul 04 03:47:15 need to make some more patches first before I have another build Jul 04 03:47:45 hrm Jul 04 03:48:05 /usr/local/lib/libpdl.so: undefined reference to `LPSystemCopyStringValue' Jul 04 03:48:15 rwhitby: ok, arch branch is up Jul 04 03:48:27 any ideas on that one? Jul 04 03:48:38 warning: libluna-prefs.so, needed by /usr/local/lib/libpdl.so, not found Jul 04 03:49:03 cryptk: which package? Jul 04 03:49:03 it's a warning .. who cares! Jul 04 03:51:48 except the make is failing at that point Jul 04 03:51:51 xorg-server-core Jul 04 03:51:59 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Jul 04 03:53:33 zsoc|away: when you get this, checkout the arch branch, run `make clobber-armv7` and try to build python. either arch should be broken Jul 04 03:53:41 are you allowing it to not worry about undefined symbols ? Jul 04 03:54:05 anyone besides zsoc pretty familiar with gstreamer? Jul 04 03:54:19 bpadalino, I am just doing make stage Jul 04 03:54:24 oh, i see Jul 04 03:54:24 nothing special Jul 04 03:54:42 bpadalino: 1.4.5 pdl depends on libluna-prefs Jul 04 03:54:52 package just has to add it to DEPENDS Jul 04 03:55:03 understandable Jul 04 03:55:34 and if I move xorg-server to non-working then obviously alot of other things fail to make stage Jul 04 03:56:05 xorg-server built for me on 10.4 desktop Jul 04 03:56:19 I am on 10.04 desktop 64 bit Jul 04 03:57:21 I am running it again and I will pastebin the last 25 or so lines Jul 04 03:57:41 this time without the -j8 so I can make easier sense of it Jul 04 03:58:04 do you have 4 cores? Jul 04 03:58:19 yes Jul 04 03:58:29 and 8GB ram Jul 04 03:58:59 * cryptk plays too many video games so he has a powerful computer Jul 04 03:59:06 lol Jul 04 03:59:33 2.6 GHz quad core OC'd to 3.4 Jul 04 04:00:05 http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/crypt1029/computer/img067.jpg Jul 04 04:00:53 http://webos.pastebin.com/7cq5buCb Jul 04 04:00:59 can anyone make sense of that? Jul 04 04:05:09 cryptk: yeah, you need to stage libluna-prefs Jul 04 04:05:37 how? Jul 04 04:06:07 I'm rebuilding WIDK for 1.4.5. Everything seems to be building great! Jul 04 04:08:42 cryptk: with the package I just added Jul 04 04:08:51 ahh nice Jul 04 04:09:48 although I probably pushed it to the arch branch Jul 04 04:10:06 hmm, no, master Jul 04 04:10:35 ok, running make stage again now that I have that Jul 04 04:12:38 I wish I knew who did the glib Makefile which downloads the stuff every time instead of using download.mk Jul 04 04:13:08 oil, what was that way to set the logging to be more verbose? Jul 04 04:13:35 PmLogCtl set LunaSysMgrJS debug Jul 04 04:13:36 ? Jul 04 04:13:57 seems to be working great this time, thanks rwhitby Jul 04 04:14:12 egaudet: i got your git error with cross-compile.git too! had it for a while now :( Jul 04 04:14:29 I got it jsut now as well Jul 04 04:14:34 but doing it a second time worked fine Jul 04 04:14:51 oil yeah does that put Mojo.Log.info()'s into /var/log/messages? Jul 04 04:15:01 closest thing I've found is http://support.github.com/discussions/repos/975-rails-repository-acting-weird#comment_241481 but I can't correlate that to our repo Jul 04 04:15:27 i think so? Jul 04 04:15:31 cryptk, egaudet: i've had it for about a month, and it "goes away" and it's lame. Jul 04 04:15:34 * oil always uses alert() Jul 04 04:15:47 but "git pull" repeatedly alternates revisions, which is..not the best Jul 04 04:16:23 WOOT, make stage finally done Jul 04 04:16:34 cryptk: yay. your issue..went away? or you fix something? Jul 04 04:16:48 egaudet: what does an unreversed patch detected indicate when removing a patch package? Jul 04 04:16:49 it's possible the new libpdl needs different libraries or something, shrug. Jul 04 04:17:03 egaudet: case in point is No Auto Off While Charging Jul 04 04:17:08 * dtzWill wanders away, no knowing when he'll be back Jul 04 04:18:04 rwhitby, patch considers a "patch" one file Jul 04 04:18:23 so it means that file is already modifed by that patch Jul 04 04:18:42 or vice versa if trying to reverse Jul 04 04:19:15 rwhitby, are you saying No Auto Off While Charging reports that always? Jul 04 04:19:47 my issues with make stage, not the git problem Jul 04 04:19:52 dtzWill, ^^ Jul 04 04:20:04 egaudet: I had NAOWC installed on 1.4.1.1, and did a 1.4.5 udpate Jul 04 04:20:12 got a -0 placeholder Jul 04 04:20:15 removed all other patches Jul 04 04:20:41 removing NAOWC gives the unreversed patch detected error Jul 04 04:21:21 so it's trying to update to -0 Jul 04 04:21:24 and can't remove Jul 04 04:21:29 send me webos-patches.log Jul 04 04:21:30 yep Jul 04 04:21:47 when you say removed all other patches Jul 04 04:21:56 you have 0 patches installed? Jul 04 04:22:00 well 1 Jul 04 04:22:09 what category is NAOWC? Jul 04 04:22:14 screen lock Jul 04 04:22:31 I've done lots of stuff since, let me pull out a repeatable base Jul 04 04:22:53 just a quick sanity check... what hours does zsoc usually hang around? I'd hate to be waiting around for him if he's asleep... :) Jul 04 04:22:55 it's probably that aupt-4 bug Jul 04 04:23:01 aupt-3/aupt-4 Jul 04 04:24:07 rwhitby, remove any top bar patches too Jul 04 04:24:32 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/gwwtV8kq Jul 04 04:24:41 ok, so, I have the libmpg123, I need to get that in sb2 somehow Jul 04 04:24:55 I have the -dev package for it installed, any tips? Jul 04 04:25:02 never done this whole cross-compiling thing before Jul 04 04:25:29 I didn't realize how many multi-package patches have been allowed in :( Jul 04 04:25:43 rwhitby, I'm guessing 1.4.5 doesn't update the screenlock app Jul 04 04:25:48 but it updates luna-systemui (top bar) Jul 04 04:25:53 which is a nightmare Jul 04 04:25:56 alright, this is proabably a dumb question, but I can't get the updates app on my sprint pre to do anything but say "Checking for updates..." Jul 04 04:26:22 egaudet: updates: http://webos.pastebin.com/3aGKyS1L Jul 04 04:26:53 yea rwhitby so that patch touches both luna-systemui and screenlock packages Jul 04 04:26:57 but only luna-systemui got updated Jul 04 04:27:07 so the screenlock files are still patched Jul 04 04:27:14 the luna-systemui file(s) are stock Jul 04 04:27:24 and there's no package logic in aupt yet Jul 04 04:27:53 egaudet: what part of prerm deals with this case? Jul 04 04:27:59 none Jul 04 04:28:08 it's the SOL case Jul 04 04:28:29 patches weren't supposed to be multi-package Jul 04 04:28:53 hmmm Jul 04 04:29:01 I think we need to tell everyone to use saverestor Jul 04 04:29:09 save, EPR, restore Jul 04 04:29:20 egaudet: For 1.4.5? Jul 04 04:29:38 probably Jul 04 04:29:42 egaudet: can we make a list of multi-package patches? Jul 04 04:30:14 cryptk: right, i meant re:make stage, not the git issues. I occasionally feel responsible for cross-compile.git working right (it's a group effort), and was concerned if there was something to look into :) Jul 04 04:30:43 dtzWill: yeah, 1.4.5 added libluna-prefs as a dependency of pdl Jul 04 04:30:53 rwhitby: kk. so staged that and all is well? Jul 04 04:30:54 ticket 13? Jul 04 04:31:06 dtzWill: I'm doing an xorg-server build from scratch to check Jul 04 04:31:26 (make clobber ; make setup ; cd packages/x/xorg-server ; make stage) Jul 04 04:31:53 dtzWill, yep, rwhitby fixed it... but you may be able to help me with this issue I am having actually cross compiling Jul 04 04:31:53 http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/13#comment:1 Jul 04 04:32:07 how can I add a library to it so that I can compile code that depends on it? Jul 04 04:32:23 oil: that's a different issue from the one egaudet and I are discussing Jul 04 04:32:32 dtzWill, yep, rwhitby added it in, I pulled it from git and the stage pressed on perfectly Jul 04 04:32:33 oh, good :) Jul 04 04:32:36 egaudet: then we could tell people to remove those patches first, and the rest should work Jul 04 04:32:58 cryptk, rwhitby: great. looking at the pastebin i was hoping it was that simple. thanks for fixing it :D Jul 04 04:32:59 rwhitby, wine went through fine Jul 04 04:33:24 dtzWill, you have a minute for my other question? I know you know a bunch about cross compiling stuff Jul 04 04:33:42 I am working on cross compiling libventrilo3 in order to get the framework there for a port Jul 04 04:33:42 cryptk: i definitely would (for some strange reason i kinda like those things), but life is calling for now. if you get stuck definitely leave me a msg/pm/something and i'd be happy to look into it Jul 04 04:33:52 dtzWill, ok Jul 04 04:34:08 ping me if you get some time Jul 04 04:34:08 cryptk: sorry :). good luck, and like i said if you still have it later i'll help :) Jul 04 04:34:14 ok Jul 04 04:34:29 rwhitby, yeah I'll do that, but most will not remove them Jul 04 04:38:42 wine? Jul 04 04:40:40 cryptk: change of plans, lol, after making a deal of it :). what's your issue? Jul 04 04:42:21 tmzt: what about wine? :) Jul 04 04:42:36 there is a library libmpg123 that I need to compile this code Jul 04 04:42:47 it does not exist in the sb2 setup and I need to add it Jul 04 04:42:57 I am sure it is something trivial, but a quick rundown would be great Jul 04 04:43:36 bsiegel are you here? Jul 04 04:46:01 00:32 < cryptk> rwhitby, wine went through fine Jul 04 04:46:19 he meant "min" Jul 04 04:46:22 mine Jul 04 04:46:26 ah ok Jul 04 04:46:32 that makes more sense on armel Jul 04 04:46:45 I am pulling the source for that library now Jul 04 04:47:24 I just need to know where to put it at, lol Jul 04 04:51:09 cryptk: if i had more time i'd tell you, but for now... 'git pull' and re-run 'make stage' (with appropriate -j flag) and you should be fine Jul 04 04:51:48 dtzWill, that isn't it at all, I am trying to add a library that isn't part of SB2 at all Jul 04 04:51:56 I need to cross compile libmpg123, lol Jul 04 04:51:56 cryptk: threw it in the repo for you, i/we/someone probably should document that a bit. Jul 04 04:52:07 cryptk: i made it so cross-compile.git cross-compiles it now? Jul 04 04:52:08 oh, you added it for me? Jul 04 04:52:10 cryptk: yes Jul 04 04:52:11 :) Jul 04 04:52:35 since before i got into it i wanted to see how hard it would be.. and then was done :). i can definitely explain at some point, and don't mean to not be helpful Jul 04 04:53:02 np Jul 04 04:53:10 cryptk: verify it works if you would :) Jul 04 04:53:13 my only fear is that I am going to need to do that for more things Jul 04 04:53:17 I am making stage now Jul 04 04:53:45 seems to have gone through fine Jul 04 04:53:47 cryptk: give a man a fish/teach him to fish, etc. very much agreed and i'm sorry :). but hopefully that helps for now. plenty of people here can help you with simpler staging things like that. Jul 04 04:53:51 cryptk: great. Jul 04 04:56:56 hrm... now I need gsm... Jul 04 04:56:58 hmm - pdl also depends on libcurl Jul 04 04:57:38 and whoever did that Makefile didn't use stage-rootfs.mk Jul 04 04:58:39 gsm is meh Jul 04 04:58:54 on it right now and it keeps killing wirc Jul 04 04:58:58 same for expat and openssl Jul 04 04:59:07 jhoatt1: s/gsm/att/ Jul 04 04:59:15 true Jul 04 04:59:49 but if you are here, gsm basically is att. tmobile not withstanding Jul 04 05:00:49 jhoatt1: yes, but most of the world's GSM users are not there Jul 04 05:00:59 true Jul 04 05:02:04 * rwhitby wonders why there is a Jul 04 05:02:04 cryptk: isn't gsm in there? Jul 04 05:02:18 * rwhitby wonders why there is a Makefile in cross-compile.git/packages/common/... Jul 04 05:02:26 liboauth Jul 04 05:03:44 looking for it Jul 04 05:04:21 hrm... seems it is Jul 04 05:04:29 lemem see what is going on here Jul 04 05:06:50 egaudet: I had the grey, theme-less VKB after uninstalling all VKB files. Should i have installed -7 VKB and the theme and config files? Because I just did and i received no errors. My phone is luna restarting right now Jul 04 05:07:27 gollyzila|comp, yeah should be fine Jul 04 05:08:54 egaudet: -7 VKB is not listed as installed Jul 04 05:09:23 install it Jul 04 05:09:39 i just did though. do i install it again Jul 04 05:09:41 ? Jul 04 05:10:18 http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/34 Jul 04 05:10:19 fixed libcurl - let's see what else libpdl depends upon in 1.4.5 Jul 04 05:11:35 Oh, so the package installed fine, it's just not shown as installed? Jul 04 05:13:10 ok, so gsm is there, but there is only a libgsm.a Jul 04 05:13:14 no so files Jul 04 05:13:30 egaudet: The hardware keyboard is pretty buggy after i enable both toggles in KeyBoss. I'm going to type a sentence with my Pre's hardware keyboard in this channel Jul 04 05:14:19 T quk bon fx jpd v lazy1 Jul 04 05:14:23 lol Jul 04 05:14:45 E 3 u- Jul 04 05:15:00 translation: the keyboard is pretty much useless Jul 04 05:15:04 anybody here decent with getting mobile hotspot on the sprint palm pre..........im only asking because information is fragmented to all hell in my searches Jul 04 05:16:41 MrUnagi: nope we don't talk about that here. that software is palm proprietory. Jul 04 05:16:54 my apologies Jul 04 05:17:02 egaudet: Are you experiencing the same thing with your hardware keyboard? Jul 04 05:18:17 Also. how does one enable backspace in browser using the VKB? Jul 04 05:18:30 gollyzila|comp, I experience a lot of oddities with them both enabled yeah Jul 04 05:18:46 gollyzila|comp, when the keyboss service is running, it's "enabled" Jul 04 05:19:06 well when keyboss is running and uinput is installed Jul 04 05:19:20 (keyboss service should always be running in backgorund) Jul 04 05:19:45 okay, well i have both of those installed and the backspace is still not happening in the browser Jul 04 05:20:37 hmm Jul 04 05:21:59 gollyzila|comp, novaterm? Jul 04 05:22:12 already in Jul 04 05:22:54 ls -l /dev/input/keypad0 Jul 04 05:24:18 keypad0 points to event6 Jul 04 05:24:26 you got -7 VKB installed? Jul 04 05:25:27 yes. How can i see what version is installed through the command line because Preware doesn't show it as installed Jul 04 05:26:00 install it... Jul 04 05:26:21 welp gmaps runs much faste at Jul 04 05:26:36 faster at 1.05ghz Jul 04 05:27:03 installing -7 VKB for the second time.... Jul 04 05:27:15 Error installing Jul 04 05:27:31 update feeds Jul 04 05:27:37 disable test-patches feed Jul 04 05:28:29 okay, now what? Jul 04 05:29:10 install Jul 04 05:29:29 installing -7 VKB.. Jul 04 05:29:52 Error. Previously applied patch Jul 04 05:29:55 pastebin webos-patches.log section from the installing VKB on... Jul 04 05:31:15 just the recent install from the public feeds? Jul 04 05:31:27 yeah Jul 04 05:32:14 so here is a question... the SB2 setup has libgsm.a but I need a .so file Jul 04 05:32:21 for it to be linked dynamically Jul 04 05:33:24 egaudet: posted Jul 04 05:33:37 ...? Jul 04 05:33:46 link? Jul 04 05:35:13 http://webos.pastebin.com/ZLtTdE3E Jul 04 05:39:03 gollyzila|comp, that's weird Jul 04 05:39:09 I dunno how you got in that state Jul 04 05:40:22 Is there any way I can just erase all VKB files and start off on a clean slate? Besides installing the cleanup package since you said not to do that Jul 04 05:41:08 grep ignoreSecond /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/338/javascripts/widget_virtualkeyboard.js Jul 04 05:42:48 ZOMG, I think I got it! Jul 04 05:43:28 alright, this is proabably a dumb question, but I can't get the updates app on my sprint pre to do anything but say "Checking for updates..." Jul 04 05:43:46 hrmm, guess it wasn't really a question at all. any idea how to fix it? Jul 04 05:44:01 egaudet: I put all that into the command line and ENTER? Jul 04 05:44:12 s/and/and press/ Jul 04 05:44:13 gollyzila|comp meant: egaudet: I put all that into the command press line and ENTER? Jul 04 05:44:31 wow infobot Jul 04 05:45:45 ya Jul 04 05:46:55 should i uninstall everything though Preware and then the command line? Jul 04 05:47:24 no Jul 04 05:47:33 run that grep line Jul 04 05:47:54 ok Jul 04 05:49:11 Here's the output received: Jul 04 05:49:12 if (this.ignoreSecond) { Jul 04 05:49:14 this.ignoreSecond=false; Jul 04 05:49:15 this.ignoreSecond=true; Jul 04 05:50:41 gollyzila|comp, yeah so you have -6 installed Jul 04 05:51:03 weird Jul 04 05:51:53 grab -6 from the feed manually Jul 04 05:52:31 testing or public? Jul 04 05:53:15 hmmm Jul 04 05:53:40 testing Jul 04 05:53:41 I only found it in the testing feed Jul 04 05:53:46 okay, downloaded Jul 04 05:53:47 yea I was going to say Jul 04 05:53:53 copy it to phone Jul 04 05:53:58 orr Jul 04 05:54:11 install it manually with QI Jul 04 05:54:13 the ipk Jul 04 05:54:27 and then update feeds in preware and you should see upgrade available Jul 04 05:54:35 Okay, going to install manually with webOS QI Jul 04 05:56:38 Error: Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Jul 04 05:57:37 webos-patches.log Jul 04 05:58:06 pastebin? Jul 04 05:58:35 yes please Jul 04 05:58:45 waiting for my phone to finish restarting Jul 04 05:59:46 restarting? Jul 04 06:00:20 luna restart Jul 04 06:00:24 its done now Jul 04 06:00:54 http://webos.pastebin.com/76GfwHxX Jul 04 06:01:07 why are you luna restarting? Jul 04 06:01:18 webOS QI did it automatically Jul 04 06:01:21 here is a question, when you guys cross compile a binary, do you normally statically link any required binaries or what? Jul 04 06:01:41 WOSQI is so impolite about restarting things without confirmation Jul 04 06:01:55 cryptk: I always dynamically link Jul 04 06:02:03 cryptk: but that won't work for app cat Jul 04 06:02:07 what if it is a library that isn't on the phone though? Jul 04 06:02:34 app cat, static. preware, dynamic. Jul 04 06:02:38 like this libmpg123 Jul 04 06:02:44 automatic restart geez :( Jul 04 06:02:44 (only cause app cat is inferior) Jul 04 06:02:52 on an error too Jul 04 06:03:07 egaudet: yeah, I don't know why people even use WOSQI any more Jul 04 06:03:12 anyway, gollyzila|comp you must have some old version of the patch installed I dunno why that didn't work Jul 04 06:03:15 it doesn't exist on the phone so I get an error when I run the binary Jul 04 06:03:30 cryptk: you need to package and install the library too Jul 04 06:03:49 rwhitby: How else will people install ipks that cant be accessed through Preware? Jul 04 06:04:01 palm-install?? Jul 04 06:04:05 lol Jul 04 06:04:10 patches? Jul 04 06:04:14 palm-install Jul 04 06:04:19 oh wow Jul 04 06:04:23 kernels, palm-install Jul 04 06:04:24 neat Jul 04 06:04:27 services, palm-install Jul 04 06:04:33 preware, palm-install Jul 04 06:04:45 but nothing on device? Jul 04 06:05:12 no, cause everything intended for people who can't run palm-install is in a feed Jul 04 06:05:17 egaudet: So how can i remove all VKB files? Jul 04 06:05:21 ooooh Jul 04 06:05:26 gollyzila|comp, it's not the VKB files Jul 04 06:05:29 it's the patched framework file Jul 04 06:05:30 you can't remove that Jul 04 06:05:44 what did you have installed before -7? -6? Jul 04 06:06:00 are you sure you grabbed -6 for the QI install? Jul 04 06:06:06 before -7, i had -6 Jul 04 06:06:06 any other patches installed? Jul 04 06:06:15 rwhitby, do you usually just put them in /usr/lib under a subfolder? Jul 04 06:06:18 yes i am sure Jul 04 06:06:35 cryptk: /usr/local/lib, after installing the widk package Jul 04 06:06:36 wait, I see a /opt/lib Jul 04 06:06:48 cryptk: and making sure you -rpath the binary to find them there Jul 04 06:07:03 ok Jul 04 06:07:23 yesterday when i tried to install -6 over -5 i received an error. I think that's where it all started Jul 04 06:08:01 rwhitby, I jsut installed WIDK package, is it supposed to create the /usr/local/lib? Jul 04 06:08:32 cryptk: yes, it bind mounts it Jul 04 06:08:41 gollyzila|comp, oh well get -5 and install via QI Jul 04 06:08:47 well, mine didn't exist... Jul 04 06:08:49 get whatever one is really installed Jul 04 06:09:04 -7 isn't, and -6 isn't Jul 04 06:09:34 (and the 2 hunks that it's complaining about changed from -5 to -6) Jul 04 06:09:54 installing -5 Jul 04 06:11:09 its taking a while.... Jul 04 06:11:58 rwhitby, patches supposed to have pmPostInstall scripts? Jul 04 06:12:40 rwhitby, what do you mean -rpath? Jul 04 06:12:45 it installed cleanly (i think). no errors Jul 04 06:12:51 cryptk, linker option Jul 04 06:13:00 luna restarting now Jul 04 06:13:06 gollyzila|comp, good, update feeds in preware after and then update to -7 Jul 04 06:13:18 from real feed (it's gone from test feed) Jul 04 06:13:19 ld --help isn't showing -r as taking any parameters Jul 04 06:13:32 egaudet: hmm, no, cause then you don't see the status messages, and pmPostInstall ignores error status Jul 04 06:13:35 -r, -i, --relocatable Generate relocatable output Jul 04 06:13:37 (which is not good for patches) Jul 04 06:13:38 -rpath is the option Jul 04 06:13:41 not -r Jul 04 06:13:43 ahh Jul 04 06:14:43 rwhitby, so we should in the future have the postinst do a package remove on error Jul 04 06:14:47 manual package remove Jul 04 06:15:13 egaudet: yeah, I guess so Jul 04 06:15:16 alright, installing -7 update from public feed Jul 04 06:17:30 SUCCESS! Jul 04 06:17:47 Would you still like to see the webos-patches.log? Jul 04 06:17:58 nope I trust it Jul 04 06:18:07 okay. thanks Jul 04 06:18:16 * rwhitby bbl Jul 04 06:18:56 By changing the slider settings in KeyBoss, could that fix the hardware keyboard bugginess? Jul 04 06:20:06 gollyzila|comp, dunno but I think it's probably a problem in my logic. It's only a first-attempt , just-something-work, 5AM finish of code block Jul 04 06:20:48 I'm sure I screwed something up there, I'll look at it soon Jul 04 06:21:03 for now I must go sleep Jul 04 06:21:08 haha okay. Jul 04 06:21:10 me too Jul 04 06:21:18 thanks again Jul 04 06:22:25 np, good night Jul 04 06:24:34 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: unrecognized option '-R/usr/local/lib' Jul 04 06:24:43 does the same with -R and with -rpath Jul 04 06:25:22 compile or link Jul 04 06:25:48 isnt it Jul 04 06:25:53 -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib Jul 04 06:25:55 I am trying to cross compile supplying n rpath to /usr/local/lib as rwhitby recommended Jul 04 06:26:03 lemme try that Jul 04 06:27:35 egwirc, worked perfect, thanks! Jul 04 06:32:40 IT WORKS!!! Jul 04 06:32:48 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!! WE HAVE VENTRILO! Jul 04 06:33:00 well, we have proof that it can be done Jul 04 06:34:15 woot Jul 04 06:35:01 geist, it is using libventrilo3 made by the guys who wrote mangler, a linux native vent client Jul 04 06:35:11 I have it conencting, joining a channel and broadcasting sound Jul 04 06:35:30 granted it is broadcasting mp3's thanks to libmpg123 and the jukebox program they wrote Jul 04 06:39:46 so, now that we know it works, anyone wanna help me on a full ventrilo client? Jul 04 06:40:02 maybe dtzWill will be interested... he is always into weird things like this Jul 04 07:01:37 I feel like I have accomplished something now... Jul 04 07:11:45 ... now I don't know what to do... my project for the day is done... Jul 04 07:16:11 plan your next one :p Jul 04 07:18:49 well, the next one is gonna need some help from zsoc|away Jul 04 07:19:02 he knows about how to access the microphone Jul 04 07:19:14 as do I ;) Jul 04 07:19:17 microphone? i got that working too Jul 04 07:19:39 hrm... well, I have my phone connecting to a vent server, joining a channel and broadcasting mp3's Jul 04 07:19:57 I woulk think the next step would be to get it to broadcast from the mic Jul 04 07:20:01 Just use either pulseaudio or alsa.. whichever's simpler for now, since you're gonna change the API in a few months anyway Jul 04 07:20:24 that is the thing, I know nothing about PA or ALSA Jul 04 07:20:37 neither did I but I looked at their docs Jul 04 07:20:58 I haven't written in C in years, and my code shows that... Jul 04 07:20:58 do you want 32-bit floating point or 16-bit integer or something else audio? Jul 04 07:21:10 I fear that I have gone almost as far as I am capable of... Jul 04 07:21:19 hrmm... I'll have to continue this later.. it's too late Jul 04 07:21:31 but I would love to convince someone to pick it up, lol Jul 04 07:21:43 but I have a working proof of concept Jul 04 07:22:15 wow... longest quit message ever Jul 04 07:22:20 http://webos.pastebin.com/uKERwRmM Jul 04 07:22:29 there's some alsa code you can look at Jul 04 07:22:44 the rest is simply calling snd_pcm_readi Jul 04 07:22:49 that's if you want blocking btw Jul 04 07:22:59 I don't even know what blocking is Jul 04 07:23:12 really it is quite amazing that I even have this working, lol Jul 04 07:23:22 I am a sys administrator, not a programmer Jul 04 07:23:33 synchronous/asynchronous.. when a function blocks, it hangs until it has the data it needs Jul 04 07:23:43 ehe.. sounds like you made a good bit of progress already Jul 04 07:23:59 well, the code was already there really Jul 04 07:24:27 libventrilo3 was already made, so was the jukebox code that uses it to play music in vent Jul 04 07:24:39 well, take it or leave it, I'm going to bed Jul 04 07:24:41 I just had to set up SB2 and do a little makefile editing Jul 04 07:24:48 I will do some reading Jul 04 07:24:53 thx for the example code Jul 04 07:24:58 np Jul 04 07:25:03 later Jul 04 07:47:30 cryptk: What type of systems do you admin? Jul 04 07:48:35 Mercury, linux, mostly RHEL but we have a few running Ubuntu Server Jul 04 07:48:59 I can barely understand C and can only write it a little, but I can bash script like a mofo, lol Jul 04 07:51:33 Bash scripting is just too bloody limited of a language for me. Perl is generally my language of choice for sysadmin automation, though I wish it had some better options for some things. Jul 04 07:52:37 But then, I came to the sysadmin game from an unusual direction. Jul 04 07:54:04 indeed, I do quite a bit of perl also Jul 04 07:54:46 bash isn't a real programming language anyway... granted it is far more powerful than a windows batch file, but being faster than the guy with no legs doesn't make you fast Jul 04 07:56:20 but the bash like a mofo is kind of an inside joke at my office I guess Jul 04 07:56:27 you've never heard of the term 'turing complete'? Jul 04 07:56:55 tmzt, indeed I have, but what does that have to do with bash or perl? Jul 04 07:57:26 they're both turing complete Jul 04 07:57:33 they're both real programming languages Jul 04 07:58:55 well, true... Jul 04 08:10:00 gnight all Jul 04 09:42:01 rwhitby: you'v got mail Jul 04 09:52:49 hello? Jul 04 10:51:15 test. Jul 04 10:51:47 wow.. Awesome preware help link right into preware!! Jul 04 10:52:43 fonts a little small for a phone... Jul 04 10:53:09 anyway. Any tips on restoring from the saved list? Jul 04 10:54:39 wife got a new phone. Coppied media back but... Jul 04 10:55:10 preware wrote a new mostly emply save list on first run. Jul 04 10:55:48 . Jul 04 10:55:49 . Jul 04 10:55:50 . Jul 04 10:55:50 . Jul 04 10:55:51 . Jul 04 10:55:51 . Jul 04 10:56:07 lines aren't feeding.. Jul 04 10:56:25 did someone say somethinh? Jul 04 10:57:29 irc page didn't draw right. But I can see the dialog again now... Jul 04 10:59:01 anyone know what I need to pull from backups to get an old saved list? Jul 04 11:02:23 I'll try back later when ppl are awake... Jul 04 13:25:52 is there a reason that 'userspace input module' would cause the wallpaper to reset on each boot? Jul 04 13:31:15 and may cause the 'sym' button to not work Jul 04 13:40:16 ~seem egaudet Jul 04 13:40:19 - Jul 04 13:40:32 ~seen egaudet Jul 04 13:40:34 egaudet is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 137 messages. Is idling for 7h 18m 8s, last said: 'np, good night'. Jul 04 13:40:56 ~botsnack Jul 04 13:40:56 mjkjr: thanks Jul 04 13:42:25 well I've confirmed that userspace input module is causing the sym button to not work, removed package and it's working again. Jul 04 15:16:09 hi Jul 04 15:16:18 how far is the new patch server coming? Jul 04 15:16:30 hi MetaView Jul 04 15:16:33 just want to report: UberCalendar still works in 1.4.5 Jul 04 15:16:41 hi hape_ Jul 04 15:16:46 how is Navit? Jul 04 15:17:12 som problems with 1.4.5, but noradtux is working on it Jul 04 15:17:29 cool Jul 04 15:17:38 what was changed with 1.4.5 which breaks it? Jul 04 15:18:35 the pdl apps are now runing in a chroot jail with a non root user Jul 04 15:18:56 so they can not go everywarhere or access other programs, like espeak Jul 04 15:21:35 hi Jul 04 15:21:56 also it looks like the update missed to extend a umask=000 to the mound for /media/internal. As a restult pdl apps can not right there settings... Jul 04 15:22:00 MetaView: do you know how to access the shell of the pre? Jul 04 15:22:30 the last line of /etc/fstab would be very interesting for me ... Jul 04 15:23:27 lo, noradtux . If MetaView do not know that, the nobody would know ;-) Jul 04 15:23:34 I suspect a bug in the update process which fails to updtae the fstab Jul 04 15:23:35 what? Jul 04 15:24:07 MetaView: can you post you ftap output please. After the 1.4.5 upodate Jul 04 15:24:13 have you no ssh access to your Pre? Jul 04 15:24:24 ok, one moment Jul 04 15:25:20 /dev/mapper/store-media /media/internal vfat utf8,shortname=mixed 0 0 Jul 04 15:26:17 I just doctored my pre, and now there is a ,umask=0000 after ....mixed Jul 04 15:26:29 oh Jul 04 15:26:36 which makes the filesystem writable by everyone Jul 04 15:26:42 mine was updated OTA using O2 GSM Jul 04 15:26:48 mine aswell Jul 04 15:27:25 ok, and after OTA, PDL-Apps can't write to the internal? Jul 04 15:27:35 because of the missing umaks? Jul 04 15:27:39 umask Jul 04 15:29:23 that's how it appears to me Jul 04 15:30:12 looks like a bug in the updater geist if you read this !!!! Jul 04 15:31:10 yeah, crap Jul 04 15:32:40 you're better off posting it in a palm forum instead of on irc for a specific palm employee Jul 04 15:43:01 bpadalino: sure, I just wanted to know if the problem just hit me or if others are affected aswell Jul 04 15:43:28 it was more for hape_ .. sorry for the confusion Jul 04 15:45:30 bpadalino: you are defnetly right. Was yust my first reaction to shout it in the 'palm' direction Jul 04 15:54:48 ha, palm is already aware of the issue: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7942 Jul 04 16:01:10 has anyone been able to build the WIDK environment without having to ignore some of the x packages? Jul 04 16:04:15 rwhitby: hi rod, I found out why navit crashes: it seems as if the update misses a modification of the fstab. It should add umask=0000 for /media/internal. After doctoring my pre it is there now and navit works. Palm seems to be aware of the issue: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7942 Jul 04 16:37:51 ~seen egaudet Jul 04 16:37:54 egaudet is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 137 messages. Is idling for 10h 15m 28s, last said: 'np, good night'. Jul 04 16:38:16 ~botsnack Jul 04 16:38:16 :), mjkjr Jul 04 16:39:35 is egaudet the only one working on keyboss and uim? I've confirmed a bug with each with multiple tests this morning. Jul 04 16:45:48 maybe you will see this later egaudet, after installing keyboss and uim last night, I first noticed the 'Sym' key on the physical keyboard quit functioning, also with every reset of the device the wall paper reverted to stock. First I removed UIM, 'Sym' key was functioning again but wallpaper still reset to stock after every restart. Then removed keyboss and now wallpaper doesn't reset on every boot. Reinstalled them again and both i Jul 04 16:47:17 ~seen zsoc|away Jul 04 16:47:19 zsoc|away is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 15h 34m, last said: 'anyway, gotta jet.. i'll hop in wirc in a bit'. Jul 04 16:59:30 Greetings all. can anyone help me out with KeyBoss. I have the userinput module installed but each time I start KeyBoss I get the following mesage:service reports uinput device cannot be opened..... Jul 04 17:26:54 egaudet: where do you want us to report on Keyboss issues? Jul 04 18:46:55 ~seen rwhitby Jul 04 18:46:58 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 81 messages. Is idling for 12h 31m 43s, last said: 'egaudet: yeah, I guess so'. Jul 04 18:47:08 evening Jul 04 18:47:18 can someone take a look at http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7942&p=34703 Jul 04 18:47:19 evening swisstomcat Jul 04 18:47:27 hallo hape Jul 04 18:47:57 /media/internal was mounted with dmask=0022 instead of 0000 Jul 04 18:48:18 swisstomcat: we had that eralier. Notartux had the same whe he tried to make Navit working for 1.4.5 Jul 04 18:48:24 yeah Jul 04 18:48:25 same here Jul 04 18:48:25 is there a separate channel or process for reporting keyboss issues. i'll gladly be an alpha tester but i'm new to the protocol. Jul 04 18:49:19 any answers yet, hape? Jul 04 18:49:23 Pre-Nesta: I do not think there is. you need to wait for him to show up Jul 04 18:49:57 hape: Thanks. BEing that it's th4 4th adn all I hope he's out there enjoying an adult beverage adn grilled meats Jul 04 18:50:01 swisstomcat: No. It looks like the dmask is not set when you upgrade a O2 pre but it is if you use the new doctor Jul 04 18:50:11 i see Jul 04 18:59:26 I'm trying to download the preware, where do I start? Jul 04 19:00:07 http://install.preware.org Jul 04 19:02:22 Is that all I need? Jul 04 19:07:24 It seems that I need to have USB for phone and WebOs software before starting the download, right? Jul 04 19:09:37 yeah, grab your usb cable Jul 04 19:09:59 ok, thanks Jul 04 19:10:40 well that was easy Jul 04 19:14:38 Anybody discussing KeyBoss? Jul 04 19:15:21 some people have been mentioning some issues they've been having Jul 04 19:15:50 waitin on egaudet to appear Jul 04 19:16:14 Doesn't seem to do anything on my Sprint Pre, 1.4.1.1 Jul 04 19:17:23 NachoB: i cant get keyboss to recognize uinput module Jul 04 19:18:48 I didn't have that problem, did you reboot your phone after installing it? Jul 04 19:19:19 Nacho8: Yes. Installed it twice same result Jul 04 19:26:03 not sure why you would have that problem. I'd try removing it, rebooting the phone, reinstall it (if you haven't tried that process yet) Jul 04 20:18:42 anyone look at this yet? http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/253693-phone-slow-do-so-tmc-does-not-come-up.html Jul 04 20:21:47 anyone recommend any apps in preware or elsewhere to help tweak battery life on a pixi ? Jul 04 20:22:07 Read the battery life thread in the forums Jul 04 20:22:23 There isnt really any apps or patches to help with battery specifically Jul 04 20:24:08 lower screen brightness patch? :) Jul 04 20:24:55 I cant stand going below 20% already :p Jul 04 20:25:07 well, it would help battery :) Jul 04 20:35:17 Turning off my data helps my battery too ;) Jul 04 20:35:27 lhelo Jul 04 20:36:16 Im getting really high load with screenstate govenors and the screen off. Looked around the forums, but did not see a solution. Anything I can try to help resolve this? Jul 04 20:38:09 high load as in Govnah Jul 04 20:38:21 like the data the app gives you? Jul 04 21:20:52 datafirm: it's not uncommon to see 15-20 load averages on the pre Jul 04 21:21:14 Marajin: ok. Jul 04 21:21:24 thought that was quite odd for screen off and idle. Jul 04 21:25:04 datafirm: it is odd, however it's also typical Jul 04 21:25:23 for a while, I myself, was "wtf? 15-20 load averages? what IS it doing?" Jul 04 21:25:40 it's really no wonder the pre noms battery life Jul 04 21:25:50 yeah.. Jul 04 21:26:06 no mention of it on the forums that I could see. Jul 04 21:26:11 well, a few mentions but no fix.. Jul 04 21:26:17 Marajin: ^^ Jul 04 21:31:38 datafirm: yup :) Jul 04 21:32:35 Marajin: This only seems to occur with screenstate drives though. Jul 04 21:47:57 try minimal logging Jul 04 21:48:07 seems to reduce the load Jul 04 21:54:56 jhowirc: thanks.. how do I change the logging? Jul 04 21:55:01 syslog? Jul 04 21:58:03 ##logs# Jul 04 22:52:03 morning Jul 04 22:52:25 gooooooood morning, rwhitby Jul 04 22:54:01 rwhitby: are you familiar with canvas at all? Jul 04 23:02:21 sup phb Jul 04 23:02:52 how are things geist Jul 04 23:03:02 chillin Jul 04 23:03:27 any grillin plans for the holiday weekend? Jul 04 23:03:53 nah, gonna go get some drinks tonight at cdm's house Jul 04 23:04:03 fun Jul 04 23:04:28 enjoy responsibly Jul 04 23:04:46 geist: how's life in HP? Not much change? Jul 04 23:05:04 nah, no real change Jul 04 23:05:08 for a year or two Jul 04 23:05:17 they didn't come take away all our macs, etc Jul 04 23:05:35 ah, yeah, I forgot about that corporate tendency Jul 04 23:05:36 lol Jul 04 23:05:47 * rwhitby used to work for Motorola Jul 04 23:07:21 when? Jul 04 23:09:49 more coffee for me Jul 04 23:13:01 tmzt: 94 to 06 Jul 04 23:13:14 travel on the 4th is sloooooooow Jul 04 23:13:15 (latter part as Freescale) Jul 04 23:13:31 ah, so arm stuff? Jul 04 23:14:19 tmzt: no, I did the MPC8568 Jul 04 23:18:46 okay, I'm reading through the "Video Recording" thread on precentral... did something on recent OS versions break the simple "gst-launch camsrc ! palmvideoencoder ! ..." commands? I just get a crash when I do that. Jul 04 23:20:03 ... if that command had worked, I probably would have had absolutely no trouble getting a camera feed in my app ... Jul 04 23:23:29 Linux PDK port: http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B3I1tDdBsydzMmVhM2YyZGMtMDlkZC00YmRlLWIzNzYtZjdiM2MyMDkzMGU5&hl=en Jul 04 23:23:39 from https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=6441 Jul 04 23:25:13 2009q3 .. Jul 04 23:25:39 that seems a little weird, doesn't it ? Jul 04 23:26:15 yep Jul 04 23:31:41 of codesourcery? Jul 04 23:32:32 yeah, those details in the docs say to use 2009q3 instead of the 2007 one i thought palm liked using Jul 04 23:34:32 would 2007 even work on cortex? Jul 04 23:36:36 it does, and neon: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Cortex_A8 Jul 04 23:36:40 search for 2007q3 Jul 04 23:38:44 Neon is not fully compliant with IEEE 754, so it is mainly targeted for multimedia applications - did not know that!!! Jul 04 23:38:44 wow Jul 04 23:39:41 if you need full ieee compatibility, use vfp (it also has double precision, neon can do only single) Jul 04 23:41:37 yeah very interesting stuff .. i didn't realize it didn't conform Jul 04 23:41:41 very interesting stuff Jul 04 23:41:50 well it's some pretty minor (imo) things Jul 04 23:42:00 is it some rounding stuff ? Jul 04 23:44:29 http://pastie.org/private/31dwsr6tjxohbe4u4zv5pq Jul 04 23:46:02 thanks that's exactly what I was lokoing for Jul 04 23:47:07 okay, not exactly Jul 04 23:48:07 that still looks like it's talking about VFP .. which is 754 compatible .. versus NEON .. just curious what NEON doesn't do to be non-compliant with the 754 stuff Jul 04 23:48:25 Advanced SIMD = neon Jul 04 23:48:37 there was another private paste I saw discussing it being faster on ARM11 Jul 04 23:48:48 oh, ok! Jul 04 23:49:23 then that explains that Jul 04 23:50:06 http://pastie.org/private/lkahzijgtz3mwctdgvwuw details on flush-to-zero and default nan Jul 04 23:50:20 is this from the ARM ARM ? Jul 04 23:50:23 yes Jul 04 23:50:39 nice Jul 04 23:51:48 i can see that reference being really useful for hardcore ARM developers Jul 04 23:52:16 https://silver.arm.com/download/download.tm?pv=1093012 Jul 04 23:52:26 (needs registration) Jul 05 00:53:01 sigh. it starts again: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2539443 Jul 05 01:57:30 hm i can't get prebackup to finish.. just keeps saying it's processing forever Jul 05 02:00:03 Hmm, Tuesday I'm betting. Jul 05 02:22:20 hmm - existing Pre 3D games don't run on the Pixi with 1.4.5 Jul 05 02:22:36 error: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.gameloft.app.asphalt5free/Asphalt5Demo/Asphalt5d: error while loading shared libraries: libIMGegl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 05 02:23:22 (not that I really expected them too, of course) Jul 05 02:24:13 yes it would have a problem without egl :p **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 05 02:59:58 2010