**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 09 02:59:57 2010 Jul 09 03:10:42 :/ Jul 09 03:10:57 forgot to wipe out the module folder to get the updates Jul 09 03:11:12 was wondering why it wasnt working Jul 09 03:14:48 ok, now its just making fun of me Jul 09 04:31:59 hey guys...i have an update i want to make to to saverestore and push it out on the testing feed. is anyone working on Preware or is it safe to make the changes? Jul 09 04:32:46 its a very quiet channel tonight Jul 09 04:36:29 hmm. I want to appear on wargames Jul 09 04:37:07 Audemars02: it's pretty much always safe Jul 09 04:37:24 ok, ka6sox-work, i need you to tell me how to do that kickass screen thing on my local comp Jul 09 04:38:40 Audemars02: found a bug last night Jul 09 04:38:51 what was the bug? Jul 09 04:38:56 if you try to do a save/restore on memos when there isnt one created Jul 09 04:39:05 it fails with no such table Jul 09 04:39:12 so not reallly a bug Jul 09 04:39:25 but I guess maybe it should just say NO =) Jul 09 04:39:28 halfhalo, which comp is your "local" one? Jul 09 04:39:36 mac mini Jul 09 04:39:56 terminal Jul 09 04:39:57 trying to get it working via local term and remote ssh Jul 09 04:40:08 (or ssh) Jul 09 04:40:10 screen Jul 09 04:40:35 ctrl-a c =creates a new screen and moves you there Jul 09 04:40:43 yea...thats a standard "bug"...if there is nothing to save, it will tell you that. Jul 09 04:41:02 ctrl-a+n cycles you thru the screens Jul 09 04:41:03 not sure we would really do much about that. Jul 09 04:41:19 ctrl-a+d disconnects you from the screen session Jul 09 04:41:30 to get back to what you were doing just use : screen -rx Jul 09 04:41:49 so if you get disconnected from your desktop Jul 09 04:41:55 Audemars02: like I said not really a bug Jul 09 04:41:57 !!!!! Jul 09 04:42:00 just reconnect and screen -rx and you are sgood. Jul 09 04:42:01 sweet Jul 09 04:42:12 now i have the log on the ipad Jul 09 04:42:16 nothing stops Jul 09 04:42:31 ok... preware updated. new save/restore should be available shortly... time for bed for me! gnight all Jul 09 04:42:39 I'm trying to run the agar hello demo and I'm getting linker errors Jul 09 04:42:49 ./hello: symbol lookup error: ./libag_core.so.1: undefined symbol: pthread_key_create Jul 09 04:43:21 Everything compiles fine. I copied all the agar headers and libs into my palm pdk Jul 09 04:43:28 screen may be oldskool but its awesome fore teaching and other stuff. Jul 09 04:43:34 and I copied all the .so's up over to my pre Jul 09 04:43:48 yup Jul 09 04:44:09 and set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the directory with my demo app and libs Jul 09 04:45:18 I'm wondering if the issue is related to WIDK using webos 1.4.5, but my sprint pre still using 1.4.1.1 Jul 09 04:45:27 halfhalo, I do long rryncs and other stuff in screen sessions (like long builds) so that if I get disconnected it keeps on chugging...doesn't lose its controlling terminal and stop. Jul 09 04:45:51 well, most of the stuff i do is web based, ie restarting rails Jul 09 04:46:07 only thing i need running for lone is node.js stuff Jul 09 04:46:17 its especially useful when doing gentoo updates. Jul 09 04:46:18 and now i can have it on the ipad as well as desktop Jul 09 04:46:29 emerge world -uD stuff. Jul 09 04:46:47 bah Jul 09 04:47:14 halfhalo, I have to take care of stuff from slackware to gentoo...get twisted around too much. Jul 09 04:47:18 i have physical access to all machines but my works test server, which is a vm running on eucalyptus Jul 09 04:48:31 hehehe Jul 09 04:49:13 got console input working for irc client. lets me do testing without editing a config file and relaunching the server Jul 09 04:51:26 ok, i think this is the best reason to get an ipad. really nice ssh client Jul 09 04:51:54 ~slap halfhalo Jul 09 04:51:55 * infobot slaps halfhalo, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Jul 09 04:53:26 oh, btw ka6sox-work, I would move the stuff in the public folder to the root of the directory. Theres no reason to have it in the public folder Jul 09 04:57:45 okay Jul 09 04:57:58 did you check out wargames.webos-internals.org yet/ Jul 09 04:57:59 ? Jul 09 04:58:19 btw..when you have tested your new version we can put it up. Jul 09 04:58:52 new version might take a while, but its coming along Jul 09 04:59:59 lets see how this works while i go to get food Jul 09 05:01:52 anyone have any ideas about my pthread_key_create issue? Jul 09 05:02:08 I saw there was a pthread stub in the pkgconfig/pthread.pc Jul 09 05:02:20 is it possible that we don't have pthreads on WIDK for some reason? that seems weird Jul 09 05:02:34 interesting... i cant see the kb on the ipad Jul 09 05:02:56 this is gonna piss me off Jul 09 05:03:10 so whats wargames about ? Jul 09 05:04:28 its just an irc chatlog visualization Jul 09 05:11:18 so, is the server all fixed up now? Jul 09 05:12:25 and I am curious if it was the BBU or the controller. Jul 09 05:12:50 i blame the lack of node.js Jul 09 05:12:51 symptoms sounded like BBU, but it could have been the controller. Jul 09 05:12:59 lol Jul 09 05:14:04 what, it didnt work, then node was installed, and now it does. Jul 09 05:16:25 somebody kindly guided me to using iwpriv to wrangle ad-hoc wifi connectivity after i was unable to do so using iwconfig. Now I am trying to figure out how to use the ioctl options and am swimming through the source code for the 88w8686 looking for it. Anybody know which .c file I should be looking in? Jul 09 05:16:43 this is the level of my lazyness. laptop with full irc client is sitting next to my bed,but im using the testingversion of the wargames appasa clientbecause its useableon the ipad Jul 09 05:16:48 damn hotel internet Jul 09 05:17:05 eeew, ipad... Jul 09 05:17:16 p.s. I found this source on a public website so nobody sue me if I am not supposed to be privvy to it or not. Jul 09 05:17:30 I have to admit, I used one and LOVED the hardware... just hate the OS Jul 09 05:17:44 rcube: what source? Jul 09 05:17:54 source for the marvell wifi chip Jul 09 05:18:30 nice... Jul 09 05:19:19 I wish the update would come out for sprint already so I could update my wirc... Jul 09 05:19:35 nice directed at me? it's lost on me cause I don't know what to do with it but I mentioned it in this thread....let me find it Jul 09 05:20:11 what language is it in? C? Jul 09 05:20:30 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200130-wardriving-kismet-2.html Jul 09 05:20:59 it's in C, look like there is a compiled driver using windows, maybe VS? Jul 09 05:21:23 makefiles are MS. Jul 09 05:22:28 anyway, I would rather not Try to compile the driver in order to access ad-hoc capability. :P Jul 09 05:25:51 rcube: still no iwconfig love? Jul 09 05:26:02 I see that I have access to adhocgrate adhocgprot adhocawakepd adhocstop scanmode etc Jul 09 05:26:14 yah. Hi Robi_ ! Jul 09 05:26:52 sorry to hear.. palm must have nixed something in their updates, it used to work ;-/ Jul 09 05:27:00 Robi_: I've been meaning to ax you if you are able to get into ad-hoc even with 1.4.1.1 Jul 09 05:27:06 Oh. nvmnd Jul 09 05:27:37 i have been able to use MHS, so .. technically yes Jul 09 05:27:55 hmmm....' Jul 09 05:28:16 ok, im cheating and using irssi. sue me Jul 09 05:28:35 true. the mobile hotspot broadcasts itself as an ap i thought? Jul 09 05:29:37 it does. does it not? Jul 09 05:31:34 gn everyone... had a long day and can't stay awake any longer... Jul 09 05:31:43 Ooph, I've never tried to pull code from a program before. is mhs interpreted script? seems like a PITA for someone who is a novice. Jul 09 05:32:26 have you tried iwconfig mode ap Jul 09 05:33:23 Robi_ what arguments do i need to send to it? i get too few arguments Jul 09 05:33:47 manpage for iwconfig should have it Jul 09 05:34:20 ok, ssh client no like me trying to config tje display on ipad Jul 09 05:34:26 http://linuxmanpages.com/man8/iwconfig.8.php Jul 09 05:35:48 i'm technically wrong, as ap is not a mode, of which there are two, managed and ad-hoc Jul 09 05:36:13 now if I set it as an ap I don't think it will technically solve my problem yet b/c I need it to connect to a device over a specific gateway to a specific ip and according to the documentation for my device the pre must have a static IP. I am sorry that this question sounds dumb but will I still be able to do this? Jul 09 05:36:29 * rcube looking at manpage Jul 09 05:37:36 it sounds like you just need to use the wifi gui tool and select the network that pops up Jul 09 05:38:06 i think it just tells iwconfig to use ap mode and specfies the mac Jul 09 05:38:10 Robi_ the network doesn't pop up (although documentation for iphone says it should) Jul 09 05:39:26 sounds like a problem to solve first Jul 09 05:39:27 it pops up on my windows machine though. i attributed it to the ad-hoc problem thinking that palm doens't allow non-ap ssids Jul 09 05:39:51 ok. if you think that it should show up then I will take a step back. Jul 09 05:40:33 if windows + other devices see it, then it's up and broadcasting, so back to square 1 Jul 09 05:40:49 it's funny... not getting much from the dev forums either. http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7884&sid=36af3ae81e680887203fdebe0bf3eeaa Jul 09 05:41:00 what is your end goal? Jul 09 05:41:07 although anaya2 offered his/her advice. Jul 09 05:41:25 tether through iphone? Jul 09 05:41:49 no, i am using the PLX Devices Kiwi WiFi to send data from my car to the phone. Jul 09 05:42:32 I figured the palm could do it because the iphone can. I compiled obdgpslogger to run in the terminal but I don't have any data to send it. Jul 09 05:42:50 trying to learn if I can port the linux app to pdk. Jul 09 05:44:02 looks like the driver simply wont do it Jul 09 05:45:03 if you want to, you can try ripping open an older driver from an earlier webos doctor and see.. although i dont know if the driver is in the kernel or a module Jul 09 05:45:23 either way its not going to be easy Jul 09 05:45:24 it looks like it. I'm suprised they would remove the functionality. I may just use the obdsimulator to send fake data to the app but that's pretty bogus IMO. Jul 09 05:45:49 right. I might wait to see if they kindly baked a little functionality into 1.4.5 but im not exactly hopeful Jul 09 05:46:20 ....seeing as how my question in the forum got a non-answer from the folks at palm. Jul 09 05:46:38 anyway Robi thanks for your help! Jul 09 05:46:41 ask another question asking for a better driver in 1.4.5 that isn't crippled :P Jul 09 05:51:53 nn Jul 09 05:52:04 night Jul 09 05:55:35 dtzWill: ok, we have to look into it Jul 09 05:55:58 I assume noradtux had the same problem with there svn as we had with easpeak Jul 09 05:57:19 ewww, svn Jul 09 05:59:21 halfhalo, we used to say ewwww, sccs too. Jul 09 06:00:21 screen makes using the ipad soooo much better Jul 09 06:01:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Code_Control_System Jul 09 06:02:53 my unixpc sources all used that...and it was ugly Jul 09 06:03:08 hah Jul 09 06:13:31 how up to date are the 1.4.0 feeds for kernel testing ? old ? Jul 09 06:22:51 sweeet Jul 09 06:23:18 got radial dial set up in ssh client to talk with screen Jul 09 06:48:41 mmm??? Jul 09 06:50:13 weird?? Jul 09 06:56:50 bhuey: see ipkg.preware.org. 1.4.0 is not being built Jul 09 07:30:04 http://wargames.webos-internals.org/ in a bit of flux? Jul 09 07:32:26 so, anything interesting happen in webos-land today? Jul 09 08:04:15 hape: it is what I expexted. We need to updated the easpeak downlaod to use the svn instaed of the link Jul 09 09:10:03 jhojho: ok, yeah, I'll have to upgrade this pre to the lastest verzion software. It's a dev device Jul 09 09:52:32 dtzWill: noradtux: it is what I expexted. We need to updated the easpeak downlaod to use the svn instaed of the link Jul 09 09:53:02 Posted in the Govnah sticky as well: Latest Govnah 0.5.3 reporting NaN for frequency and Flashing 1005 when it updates info. Running fearphage F105 1.4.1-69 on Sprint Pre 1.4.1.1 Jul 09 09:55:52 Grr, when I hit F and double tap orange it brings up "fearphage" Jul 09 10:14:18 hello Jul 09 10:17:15 i would like make a question about metadoctor Jul 09 12:00:17 dtzWill,hape: oh, that one slipped through while building the package. The problem is that that version was not in SVN by then. Jul 09 12:01:05 The other problem is that I have not yet managed to create the espeak-data from the information in the svn, the only working source for that stuff seems to be those zip-files. Jul 09 12:47:18 heya Jul 09 13:08:14 rwhitby: you still around? Jul 09 14:27:05 had this problem last week and cant remember what I did to fix it. When I run Preware 1.1.4 it only shows me my installed packages, any idea how to fix this Jul 09 14:27:34 i just uninstalled uberkernel and rebooted Jul 09 14:28:24 i have tried WOQI Emergency Reconstruction utility, but no go Jul 09 14:29:13 hmm Jul 09 14:29:22 update feeds in the app menu? Jul 09 14:29:39 what is woqi eru? ERU is as WebOS Internals tool. Jul 09 14:29:56 when i do that it seems like its getting an error but it flies off the screen so quickly Jul 09 14:29:58 s/ as / a / Jul 09 14:29:58 rwhitby meant: what is woqi eru? ERU is a WebOS Internals tool. Jul 09 14:30:47 HattCzech_work: what's up? Jul 09 14:31:03 what version should i use? currently using 1.4.5 Jul 09 14:31:06 rwhitby: I thought that is what I used last week to fix this problem. It was some 3 letter thing Jul 09 14:31:11 what's the process for adding an app to save/restore? Jul 09 14:31:31 write a plugin Jul 09 14:31:50 HattCzech_work: write the script and post it in the thread Jul 09 14:31:52 http://www.precentral.net/saverestore Jul 09 14:32:09 http://forums.precentral.net/2519650-post341.html Jul 09 14:32:39 Slydog43: ERU is the right tool - it's run from Preware. Jul 09 14:32:43 can i add my modified .db3 to the .jar file? or do i have to upload the file after the flash? Jul 09 14:33:05 thanks, swisstomcat... should've just asked earlier :) Jul 09 14:33:06 good question Jul 09 14:33:27 raptaqua: what are you attempting to do? Jul 09 14:33:57 to run firstrun app so i could create account to use app catalog Jul 09 14:34:07 rwhitby: but how can I run it from preware if preware only shows me installed packages, available packages is greyed out Jul 09 14:34:12 and i have to modify the network APN.db3 to set my providers settings Jul 09 14:34:38 Slydog43: you have to fix that first Jul 09 14:35:14 raptaqua: have you used the meta-doctor? Jul 09 14:35:21 ye Jul 09 14:35:45 i made patch that skips the activation Jul 09 14:35:50 so i could unlock the phone Jul 09 14:36:12 the meta-doctor already has that feature Jul 09 14:36:14 you made a patch? doesn't meta-doctor have that already? Jul 09 14:36:27 i ment that :) Jul 09 14:36:56 and you bypassed the first use app? Jul 09 14:37:19 ye but afterwards i runned it Jul 09 14:37:25 it let me choose language Jul 09 14:37:28 then rebooted Jul 09 14:37:32 and then it dissapeared Jul 09 14:37:44 yep, don't do that Jul 09 14:38:04 :D Jul 09 14:38:06 complete everything before changing the language Jul 09 14:38:10 how do you create the profile then? i thought i ran the firstuse app the last time? Jul 09 14:38:18 well that was the 1st thing to do Jul 09 14:38:24 or use palm-launch to relaunch it Jul 09 14:38:29 when i started it it just asked the language then it rebooted and its gone Jul 09 14:38:35 palm-launch? Jul 09 14:38:51 yep, from the SDK Jul 09 14:39:02 hmm ill try that 1st Jul 09 14:39:07 where to get it Jul 09 14:39:08 ? Jul 09 14:39:13 palm-launch com.palm.app.firstuse Jul 09 14:39:31 where have you looked on palm.com so far? Jul 09 14:41:05 http://developer.palm.com/ ofc Jul 09 14:41:10 do i have to run it from the emulator? Jul 09 14:42:35 after you download and install the sdk you should be able to execute the palm-launch command from a command prompt windows Jul 09 14:42:49 if you're in windows hit start+r and type cmd Jul 09 14:42:59 ok so i can run it from cmd Jul 09 14:43:15 is the command universal or do i have to browse to palm folder? Jul 09 14:43:41 when you install the sdk it should add the location for those command into the path variable... so it's... universal Jul 09 14:43:48 you shouldn't need to change directories Jul 09 14:43:50 ok thanks Jul 09 14:43:57 if you do need to, there may be something else going on *shrug* Jul 09 14:44:07 so ask around if that happens :) Jul 09 14:44:28 I was stoked that I got a chance to answer a question :) I didn't have a clue about anything else you asked lol Jul 09 14:44:28 you guys are helpfull Jul 09 14:44:51 yeah, the guys in these groups are very competent, I like hangin out here Jul 09 14:45:05 me too Jul 09 14:45:45 normally when noob comes asking these "simple" question the 1st comment is "search the forums" or "read the manual" Jul 09 14:46:01 your situation wasn't that simple Jul 09 14:46:03 it's not a simple question Jul 09 14:46:18 no, I save those answers for precentral :) Jul 09 14:46:26 lol Jul 09 14:46:33 :P Jul 09 14:46:58 argh java Jul 09 14:47:19 could run doctor but not palm-install :) gotta get the JDK Jul 09 14:47:27 lol Jul 09 14:47:39 raptaqua: the first use app patch needs to be fixed to patch the appinfo.json files for the non-english languages. Jul 09 14:47:53 i wanna use english Jul 09 14:48:27 should work fine for english Jul 09 14:48:28 need java ... sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre Jul 09 14:48:33 easy :) Jul 09 14:48:42 windows :) so takes more time Jul 09 14:48:45 bah Jul 09 14:48:50 lol Jul 09 14:48:51 ;) Jul 09 14:49:57 * rwhitby bbt Jul 09 14:52:56 hmm what java do i need to download Jul 09 14:53:12 is it the JDE or JRE? Jul 09 14:53:13 oh Jul 09 14:53:15 jre :D Jul 09 14:53:20 http://java.com/en/ Jul 09 14:53:28 jre is fine Jul 09 14:55:25 running first app Jul 09 14:55:30 asks language Jul 09 14:55:34 and now its rebooting...again Jul 09 14:55:40 I assume preware creates a log when it comes across an error. If so can someone tell me where and what it is called, trying to figure out why my preware will not load up any feeds Jul 09 14:55:48 even if its the same language that i currenlty use Jul 09 14:56:22 just booted back and nothing Jul 09 14:57:25 is there any other way to run the app? Jul 09 14:57:34 can i re-install it or something? Jul 09 15:00:03 build a fresh meta-doctor jar? Jul 09 15:00:25 ye, i guess thats the only way to go :L i just hope i can upload APN settings Jul 09 15:02:11 you can just use WIFI Jul 09 15:02:21 but i need to enable it? Jul 09 15:02:30 you'll be able to Jul 09 15:02:36 do i need to modify some files to enable it? Jul 09 15:02:37 meta-doctor bypasses activation Jul 09 15:02:45 cause i tried it last time and i couldnt enable wifi Jul 09 15:02:50 hmm Jul 09 15:03:09 check the meta-doctor config file if you have to enable wifi Jul 09 15:04:05 how Jul 09 15:04:17 i mean where to enable it Jul 09 15:06:19 well i try one more time Jul 09 15:06:29 had some trouble to upload new apn settings to get 3g work Jul 09 15:08:23 how long does the battery normally hold? Jul 09 15:09:30 edit the Makefile? Jul 09 15:09:37 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Jul 09 15:10:36 BYPASS_ACTIVATION = 1 Jul 09 15:10:36 BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP = 1 Jul 09 15:10:36 ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE = 1 Jul 09 15:10:51 that way you should be able to enable wifi after doctoring Jul 09 15:10:58 and then run first-use Jul 09 15:11:04 there is that wifi thing but isnt that just for importing wifi settings? Jul 09 15:11:22 hmm i didnt bypass the activation Jul 09 15:11:24 last time Jul 09 15:11:55 ill try this mod and after this thatone Jul 09 15:12:38 ah Jul 09 15:12:43 yeah, bypass activation for sure Jul 09 15:13:45 should i remove the provider check? Jul 09 15:14:00 carrier check? Jul 09 15:22:12 updating now with those settings Jul 09 15:22:15 fingers crossed Jul 09 15:22:49 good luck Jul 09 15:23:11 btw can i add MSN to the palm's own IM system? Jul 09 15:24:32 hmmm...I may be taking a shot in the dark... I never noticed a built-in IM system... there's SMS... but no IM... I don't think... (if I'm wrong everyone is gonna look at me funny, I know it) Jul 09 15:25:00 well i mean that thing where is SMS and then you can add gtalk and yahoo Jul 09 15:25:14 ah, I didn't know you could add those! Jul 09 15:26:02 I only see google and AIM on the list of accounts to add... Jul 09 15:26:12 I'm sure there's an app for that though Jul 09 15:27:04 There's a patch for that. Jul 09 15:27:36 my preware is still loading so I could check :) Jul 09 15:27:41 I should turn off the stupid themes Jul 09 15:31:50 Yeah, I have themes and palm-catalog turned off. If I want to check the palm catalog I'll run the App Catalog app Jul 09 15:32:08 there's also an app .. mundo im Jul 09 15:32:21 check precentral for an article on it Jul 09 15:32:28 I like having the palm-catalog on there, it's nice not to need to open the catalog app... Jul 09 15:37:09 I hate waiting for it to load all the catalog apps when all I'm really after when running Preware are patches and homebrew Jul 09 15:40:06 hmm same thing Jul 09 15:40:17 asks language then reboot and dissapears Jul 09 15:40:18 wow I feel stupid, all my preware trouble I was having was just my access point going down Jul 09 15:47:39 Slydog43: lol Jul 09 16:05:27 NachoB: I'm also experiencing the same NaN frequency bug in Govnah v0.5.3. I have a Sprint Pre 1.4.1.1 and F105 Kernel v1.4.1-69. Also Govnah's version # is shown as v0.5.0 in the app and in the Option+tap menu. Jul 09 16:06:45 I just reverted back to 0.5.0. Not that 0.5.3 would hurt anything that I'm aware Jul 09 16:09:55 I want to install the "Data Toggle in Device Menu" patch to my german Pre, the scene is altered correctly but nothing is shown in the device menu. I think in the german webos version another scene is used, does someone knows which one? Jul 09 16:11:32 Oh, nvm found it, they are under: /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/resources/de_de/views Jul 09 16:11:56 what feed is Govnah 0.5.3 in? Jul 09 16:13:31 webos-internals test feed Jul 09 16:14:39 damn cant change apn settings in the register :L Jul 09 16:14:42 though reports in the thread are that jho broke it xD Jul 09 16:14:52 so i guess i havet to skipp it :( and forget about the app catalog Jul 09 17:03:50 hello Jul 09 17:04:05 is anybody there Jul 09 17:04:46 yes Jul 09 17:04:47 he left in a hurry... Jul 09 17:08:55 *yawn* Jul 09 17:09:33 * Mousey thinks oilsworkn nearby Jul 09 17:09:52 * oilsworkn is Jul 09 17:09:57 lies Jul 09 17:10:46 never Jul 09 17:10:56 EXACTLY! Jul 09 17:11:36 ha. The script sorta gave up on you oilsworkn. It no longer is trying to get your location Jul 09 17:12:27 * oilsworkn feels a little bit safer Jul 09 17:12:41 don't make me make it stalk you Jul 09 17:21:27 hello Jul 09 17:21:34 helooo Jul 09 17:21:39 hi Jul 09 17:21:53 hello Jul 09 17:21:54 hello Jul 09 17:21:56 oh, is yoyo going to be here longer then a minute this time? Jul 09 17:22:02 yes I need help Jul 09 17:22:10 we might be able to help Jul 09 17:22:14 with the themes from the honbrew Jul 09 17:22:19 * nodejs-560 is now able to stalk, errr track web users Jul 09 17:22:25 * oilsworkn knows nothing about themes Jul 09 17:22:34 sorry my text is blocked I ant see urs one sec Jul 09 17:22:35 g Jul 09 17:22:45 ok so yes I need help Jul 09 17:22:56 hello Jul 09 17:23:02 :/ Jul 09 17:23:12 ringring bannaphone? Jul 09 17:23:17 can somebody help me Jul 09 17:23:20 with themes Jul 09 17:23:25 Snohomish? Jul 09 17:23:35 thuh Jul 09 17:23:52 I know nothing about themes. I'm just here for the popcorn Jul 09 17:23:53 can you help me Jul 09 17:24:06 uh ok Jul 09 17:24:23 lol Jul 09 17:24:47 It doesn't bomb out anymore on webchat users Jul 09 17:24:53 :p Jul 09 17:25:19 * oilsworkn is using webchats Jul 09 17:25:27 you bastard Jul 09 17:25:39 no xchat installed on my work pc, lol Jul 09 17:25:43 "oilsworkn is in Snohomish, United States" Jul 09 17:25:52 lol snohomish Jul 09 17:26:51 that must be where our work connection goes to Jul 09 17:27:00 ok, last step for the irc part of this is to figure out how to tell if someone is mentioned in the message Jul 09 17:27:45 .includes() Jul 09 17:28:23 that prototype or pure js? Jul 09 17:28:45 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob;f=app/models/message.js;h=1dc620943c3002471233ff900dfaff281f1be591;hb=HEAD#l295 Jul 09 17:29:19 idk Jul 09 17:29:28 they all merge together after so long Jul 09 17:29:31 sweet. Better than my original plan which was to have a loop in a loop Jul 09 17:30:03 http://api.prototypejs.org/language/string/prototype/include/ Jul 09 17:30:26 dammit... prototype Jul 09 17:30:31 ]dunno if I can use that Jul 09 17:30:34 prototype is good Jul 09 17:32:52 I know, but node.js doesn't support it Jul 09 17:33:33 what does that matter? Jul 09 17:33:58 thats what this is being run in Jul 09 17:34:17 i mean Jul 09 17:34:24 all prototype does is extend javascript stuff Jul 09 17:34:31 i dont see what problem nodejs could have with it Jul 09 17:34:38 there is no DOM Jul 09 17:34:43 unless its extending the same stuff and they conflict in some way Jul 09 17:36:37 is there an easy way to make a packages.gz for a custom feed? Jul 09 17:37:01 packages.gz is a gziped packages file Jul 09 17:37:39 yes, but that can take an ipkg and do the hashing for you Jul 09 17:44:13 how does webos internals get ipkg's into a feed for preware? Jul 09 17:44:27 I was probably doing it the hard way Jul 09 17:47:04 sk4jc: the autobuilder makes the packages file after it creates all the ipks Jul 09 17:50:07 Is this a Linux thing or from Palm? Jul 09 17:52:25 sorry, showing my ignorance. Jul 09 17:53:17 i see an autobuilder setup in the wiki but it is not too helpful Jul 09 17:54:37 idk, i think its mostly homegrown, but i could be completely wrong, i dont deal much with it Jul 09 17:55:40 Don't they get submitted here: http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/ ? Jul 09 17:57:44 Well, that's for patches :-\ Jul 09 17:58:13 NachoB: thats just for patches Jul 09 17:58:25 and the patch portal just automates teh adding of the patches to git Jul 09 17:58:28 Yeah, realized that right after I sent it.. my bad Jul 09 17:58:36 which the autobuilder picks up to create the patch packages Jul 09 17:59:15 i mean, the packages file is a standard Jul 09 17:59:22 im sure there is a tool which will create it Jul 09 17:59:28