**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 14 02:59:56 2010 Jul 14 03:01:51 man that wirc bug erks me Jul 14 03:02:14 wirc doesn't work for me... Jul 14 03:02:27 * halfhalo cries Jul 14 03:02:33 wirc bug? Jul 14 03:02:37 030? Jul 14 03:02:42 TheSavaLord: is the govnah profile thing repeatable? Jul 14 03:02:43 yeah… Jul 14 03:03:01 TheSavaLord: and does it go away when using stable release of govnah? Jul 14 03:03:20 Jabrilli said he has repeated it Jul 14 03:03:57 TheSavaLord: I mean repeatable without leaving govnah running at 1 second polling for 1000 seconds Jul 14 03:04:30 I never tried 5.6 with the new warthog because of the bug I found before trying warthog Jul 14 03:05:01 TheSavaLord: if someone starts govnah with polling set at 1 minute, and can repeat a profile applying bug, then I want to know about it. otherwise I'm assuming it's the known bug which can be easily worked around by not polling at 1 second intervals for a long period. Jul 14 03:05:26 and which won't be fixed in the next coupe of days, so people either need to not leave it open, or use the stable version Jul 14 03:06:07 I understand. the way he was talking as soon as he deleted or added a profile it crashed Jul 14 03:06:32 so I don't think it was the same bug I had Jul 14 03:07:27 @Jabrilli: @TheSavaLord yea I deleted the old profiles after updating, but when I went to change it, it froze the phone, they were screenstate Jul 14 03:09:45 Oil: same bug that has always been there. the wirc is not running. but still connected. Jul 14 03:10:19 not using the new wirc yet Jul 14 03:12:19 done! Jul 14 03:13:58 http://silentbluesystems.com/random/package.html Jul 14 03:14:37 I would use the new wirc if I had 1.4.5 Jul 14 03:15:22 the new wirc don't wirc for me…. :( Jul 14 03:15:49 do you have 1.4.5 Jul 14 03:15:54 yeah Jul 14 03:16:11 lucky Jul 14 03:24:18 oh Jul 14 03:24:26 yeah, thats fixed in 030 TheSavaLord Jul 14 03:24:56 but then I don't have webos 1.4.5 lol Jul 14 03:25:15 for some reason in 030 the channel views will not properly be created. Their just…. empty save for the send box and button Jul 14 03:25:48 oh Jul 14 03:26:15 you have steps to recreate the empty channel thing? Jul 14 03:26:35 yes. launch. connect to server. Jul 14 03:26:36 thats it Jul 14 03:26:56 and errors in var/log/messages? Jul 14 03:27:12 that involves a cord….. gah Jul 14 03:27:29 well ive never seen it Jul 14 03:27:37 so i can't do anything about it without some logs Jul 14 03:27:43 while im getting cord look at prettyness: http://silentbluesystems.com/random/package.html Jul 14 03:28:44 its a little.... Jul 14 03:28:47 ugly? Jul 14 03:28:59 better than nothing Jul 14 03:29:06 and done using js and json Jul 14 03:29:31 like preware? :) Jul 14 03:29:54 this lets me view em in the broswer. does preware? no Jul 14 03:30:08 webos the browser, yeah Jul 14 03:30:15 and there is error in log, but I need to install novacom to get to it…. Jul 14 03:30:18 :/ Jul 14 03:31:44 gogo sdk download! Jul 14 03:32:26 9 minutes…. to long…. I'll just type it Jul 14 03:32:57 well, line, message Jul 14 03:33:02 i dont need the date or any of that crap Jul 14 03:33:34 EXCEPTION [channel-chat#updateList],(typerror):"Cannot call method 'getLength' of undefined" Jul 14 03:34:30 20 bucks says typo Jul 14 03:37:01 that doesn't make any sense Jul 14 03:37:33 var start = this.messageListElement.mojo.getLength(); Jul 14 03:37:44 unless Jul 14 03:37:49 it gets called before setup is called Jul 14 03:37:57 is completed* Jul 14 03:38:02 installing sdk now.... Jul 14 03:38:20 damn, vb installed fast Jul 14 03:38:26 like… 3 seconds fast Jul 14 03:38:46 * oil will push a fix, you can download and palm-package/palm-install it Jul 14 03:38:53 kk Jul 14 03:39:15 activate is after setup, right? Jul 14 03:39:23 I do believe so Jul 14 03:39:55 wish they would release 1.4.5.1 Jul 14 03:41:05 oh yea. I have an article about that. Jul 14 03:41:27 halfhalo: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=snapshot;h=07caadb1be00102b94d8ab583e207d42777ed5b9;sf=tgz Jul 14 03:41:43 extract/palm-package/palm-install Jul 14 03:41:48 Reason it's delayed is apparently a bug with pdk apps Jul 14 03:41:49 or i could up an ipk if thats easier Jul 14 03:41:59 nah, I just did a git pull Jul 14 03:42:05 ah :) Jul 14 03:43:03 yeah I seen about the bug before Jul 14 03:43:05 anyways, that should fix it Jul 14 03:43:12 lets see... Jul 14 03:43:55 woops… did a palm-install while it was running Jul 14 03:44:06 its mad at me now Jul 14 03:44:09 lol Jul 14 03:45:16 just do it again Jul 14 03:45:29 if you do it while it's running do it twice Jul 14 03:46:17 thats effort Jul 14 03:46:25 lol Jul 14 03:46:27 less effort is rebooting and getting snacks Jul 14 03:46:32 what Jul 14 03:46:39 thats like 10x more effort Jul 14 03:46:49 though may be worth it depending on snacks Jul 14 03:47:34 salted peanuts, torilla chips, sharp cheddar chees Jul 14 03:48:25 not healthy and no cooking required, good choices Jul 14 03:48:30 yup! Jul 14 03:49:16 lays cajub herb & spices chips Jul 14 03:49:37 boom Jul 14 03:49:38 works Jul 14 03:50:28 hooa Jul 14 03:51:04 loo Jul 14 03:51:08 l Jul 14 03:53:02 rwhitby I can't repeat that bug so it's not an issue on my pre+ Jul 14 03:55:00 well i changed the code elsewhere\ Jul 14 03:55:07 other places where that race condition could be trouble Jul 14 03:56:04 effort! Jul 14 04:00:07 try sending yourself a file :) Jul 14 04:00:30 but hte list is ugly (i have yet to mess with it) Jul 14 04:00:41 adium don't like files Jul 14 04:00:48 Any GNUld experts around? Jul 14 04:00:50 and it doesn't always work inter-network Jul 14 04:01:14 for me at least Jul 14 04:01:49 nao, adium don't work with it Jul 14 04:01:59 * oil sends file so halfhalo can test it? Jul 14 04:02:03 doit Jul 14 04:02:07 which nick? Jul 14 04:02:12 class Jul 14 04:02:23 pre is irssi runnign in screen im to lazy to kill Jul 14 04:03:18 shiny…if it actually sends it Jul 14 04:03:33 i can never get it to work when i send to myself Jul 14 04:03:36 but puffy can Jul 14 04:03:39 and it works when he sends to me Jul 14 04:03:49 its sitting at 0/72422 Jul 14 04:03:54 yeah Jul 14 04:03:57 its not going to work Jul 14 04:05:42 firewall maybe? Jul 14 04:05:50 yeah, i have no clue Jul 14 04:08:40 hi. is there a way to update PRL from the CLI? Jul 14 04:13:25 hmmm Jul 14 04:13:35 im getting dual dcc chat popups in wirc Jul 14 04:14:27 now getting 3 for a file transfer... Jul 14 04:14:36 lol Jul 14 04:15:06 and…. it failed Jul 14 04:16:50 yup, dual file transfer popups as well Jul 14 04:16:53 but it worked Jul 14 04:17:42 brb Jul 14 04:31:11 datafirm: in general no-one here knows much at all about the modem side of things. we tend to stay away from it, as there are both technical and legal dragons there. Jul 14 04:31:32 OK, sorry for the posts. Jul 14 04:31:42 datafirm: your best bet is to decompile the doctor jar and see what it does Jul 14 04:32:01 sounds good. :) Jul 14 04:32:10 there's a stage in there which updates the PRL Jul 14 04:32:18 i actually found it. Jul 14 04:32:22 just need the latest file. Jul 14 04:33:40 datafirm: com/palm/nova/installer/core/stages/ModemUpdateStage.class Jul 14 04:34:05 cool. I just need to decompile the jar. Jul 14 04:34:07 and you'll find carrier specific stuff in the carrier tarball in the relevant doctor Jul 14 04:34:08 ? Jul 14 04:34:18 I use JD-GUI on a mac Jul 14 04:34:38 the meta-doctor makefile has a linux decompiler i it Jul 14 04:34:41 I got openssl compiled into a static lib. Jul 14 04:34:57 zsoc: thanks! I got openssl compiled into a static lib Jul 14 04:35:42 shazam Jul 14 04:36:05 * rwhitby bbl Jul 14 04:36:08 lol @ the quit right after Jul 14 04:36:41 thats what we need for wirc xD Jul 14 04:36:42 its because they dont like you Jul 14 04:38:37 rwhitby: This is great! Thanks so much! Learned a lot these last few days. Jul 14 04:41:30 If I wanted to add/change Tokens, you have to unpack a meta-doctor and then edit castle and then repack and load? Jul 14 04:48:14 There is an easier way Jul 14 04:48:20 just not sure if anyone has figured it out yet. :) Jul 14 04:48:26 does it involve fire? Jul 14 04:49:02 nope, just trenchcoat Jul 14 04:49:09 then it fails Jul 14 04:51:11 ok Jul 14 04:56:54 to unpack, do you just # make CARRIER=name unpack ? Jul 14 05:28:01 chuqui: heyooo Jul 14 05:28:12 hodee ho Jul 14 05:29:07 how's life Jul 14 06:15:46 http://i32.tinypic.com/15d6utu.png :D Jul 14 06:16:05 lol Jul 14 06:16:07 in git? Jul 14 06:16:43 yeah Jul 14 06:16:54 but you'll need to build/install the new service Jul 14 06:16:57 for the filepicker to work Jul 14 06:17:12 that sounds like effort Jul 14 06:17:17 oh, its a pita Jul 14 06:17:18 lol Jul 14 06:17:26 i had to bust out my ubuntu vm to get it done Jul 14 06:17:40 i dont have any vms right now Jul 14 06:17:55 im sure rwhitby will want to stick it in the testing feeds when he sees that ive added this portion of it Jul 14 06:17:59 since the last two dvd images i got were gad and i havent gotten around to it yet Jul 14 06:20:30 does internals have a bug tracker? Jul 14 06:20:45 git.webos-internals.org/trac Jul 14 06:20:53 oh yeah…. that pos Jul 14 06:21:02 go redmine and never look back Jul 14 06:21:55 :p Jul 14 06:22:04 Redmine is fun and I like its git integration Jul 14 06:22:10 and its all web2.0y Jul 14 06:22:13 i think they're looking into it Jul 14 06:22:20 and by they, i mean, people who do the servers, not me Jul 14 06:22:21 haha Jul 14 06:22:24 lol Jul 14 06:22:36 hardest part was getting rails to play nice with nginx Jul 14 06:23:11 rails is what I do for my real job Jul 14 06:23:16 im sorry Jul 14 06:23:33 I know…. I'm the guy who gets to port php apps to rails Jul 14 06:23:36 lol, actually, ive never used it Jul 14 06:24:11 Rails is incredibly fast to program in if everything you do is done the rails way Jul 14 06:24:50 the fact that a 10 minute working blog from scratch in rails pretty much says it all Jul 14 06:25:08 says that its great at making blogs? Jul 14 06:25:18 and blog related sites Jul 14 06:25:21 lol Jul 14 06:25:33 its models are sweet Jul 14 06:26:56 takes your db table and makes it an object automagically Jul 14 06:31:44 * oil is happy the filepicker he wrote for wirc is getting use in preware Jul 14 06:32:15 lol Jul 14 06:32:33 its sexy Jul 14 06:32:41 lol Jul 14 06:32:49 sudo make me a samich Jul 14 06:34:01 filepicker is only the start Jul 14 06:34:18 next is filekidnapper and filemurderer! Jul 14 06:34:42 open source file explorer lol Jul 14 06:35:16 oil you got any screenshots of the filepicker ? Jul 14 06:36:19 yeah Jul 14 06:36:21 god damn webhost is pricy Jul 14 06:36:58 20 a month.... Jul 14 06:37:08 :/ I'm paying 5 now for my crap host Jul 14 06:37:43 but I need a place for my node stuff Jul 14 06:37:59 egaudet: http://i50.tinypic.com/20sfwy.png Jul 14 06:38:01 the bottom two panes Jul 14 06:38:04 are the filepicker Jul 14 06:38:21 but screenshots dont show the little animation Jul 14 06:38:30 it goes side-to-side like the calendar Jul 14 06:40:53 suuuuure Jul 14 06:41:01 nice Jul 14 06:42:05 oil: is the filepicker mojo + pdk back end? Jul 14 06:42:19 in wirc the hybrid is what supplies the folder lists Jul 14 06:42:25 the plugin* Jul 14 06:42:28 in preware, its the service Jul 14 06:42:29 nice, so it's palm approved Jul 14 06:43:00 well, we haven't tried to get it past a reviewer yet Jul 14 06:43:02 lol Jul 14 06:43:18 good luck testing everything wirc can do, haha Jul 14 06:43:25 why wouldn't it be passed Jul 14 06:43:31 haha. I just meant it wasn't using mojo to see the files Jul 14 06:43:33 the kittens Jul 14 06:43:57 5 days later, and I find out my REST queries were wrong :( Jul 14 06:44:23 wawawaaaaaaaaaa Jul 14 06:45:13 cameraMen501 Jul 14 06:45:17 I feel stupid Jul 14 08:59:13 Looking for some Preware alpha testers ... Jul 14 09:02:27 rwitby: me ? Jul 14 09:09:05 rwhitby: what sort of testing needs to be done? Jul 14 09:09:19 datafirm: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2554305 Jul 14 09:11:16 rwhitby: Nice! I probably wont have the time needed to test the new features tho :( Jul 14 09:27:07 rwhitby: I think i have a problem with save/restore V.0.9.9 Jul 14 09:29:02 rwhitby: have updated from V.0.9.8 through preware but when I open save/restore it is still saying it is v.0.9.8. Jul 14 09:29:48 rwhitby: I have checked preware and it says i am up to date Jul 14 09:47:11 pipsmith: try reinstalling Jul 14 09:48:17 rwhitby: Uninstall then reinstall? no testing? Jul 14 09:49:02 pipsmith: it was a caching problem on the temporary machine I'm using to push through updates while the autobuilder is still dead Jul 14 09:49:22 check the splash screen says 0.9.9 Jul 14 09:51:44 rwhitby: Splash screen now reports 0.9.9 after reinstall and hang is no longer. Jul 14 09:53:36 sweet Jul 14 09:57:44 sweet it is indeed, will try out a few new scripts later. but first i got to play with Preware. Any specific packages you want us trying to instal? Jul 14 10:04:14 anything you want Jul 14 10:04:21 ipkg.preware.org/feeds is a good place to start ;) Jul 14 10:08:23 * rwhitby bbl Jul 14 12:48:11 * rwhitby bbt Jul 14 14:36:42 what is te best way to up the palm pre exp. Jul 14 14:50:14 well hello there my old friends Jul 14 16:39:23 oh what a quiet day it's been Jul 14 16:50:28 Preware seems to think that I have both UberKernel and Warthog installed. Is that allowed? Jul 14 18:50:46 anyone with a pre plus here? Jul 14 18:50:56 I wish.......... Jul 14 18:51:03 when you put your finger on the gesture area, does the center light, light up? Jul 14 18:51:12 on my old Pre, it did this.. Jul 14 18:51:15 but my plus it's not. Jul 14 18:51:24 Anivrom: I just upgrade to one! Jul 14 18:51:27 love it. Jul 14 18:51:29 :( Jul 14 18:51:36 Bell canada doesn't have pre plus. Jul 14 18:51:49 gsm or cdma? Jul 14 18:52:10 cdma... canada is 80% cdma when it comes to major carriers.. Jul 14 18:52:20 I got my phone for free though so not bad. Jul 14 18:52:37 Anivrom: the phone is pretty modular.. why dont you buy a broken/bad esn Plus and swap your COMM boards. Jul 14 18:52:45 thats what I did works great! Jul 14 18:52:55 Anivrom: yes.. free is good! :) Jul 14 18:53:02 lost at esn. Dont bother explaining :P I'll google it Jul 14 18:53:29 [; Jul 14 18:53:36 its just here are lots of cheap Pre Plus's out there because they have bad esn Jul 14 18:53:56 my pre plus hasgood esn Jul 14 18:54:06 but has never been activated Jul 14 18:54:14 so you take your radio from your phone and put it in the body of the Plus. So you get the processor/sdram and body etc. Jul 14 18:54:53 just an FYI.. Im NOT talking about cloning your ESN or any such business.. just swapping out the rear boards. Jul 14 18:55:49 datafirm: you got your setup working? Jul 14 18:56:50 oh! oh! failpost from nbr's hp forum! Jul 14 18:57:41 chrisa: a different setup actually. Jul 14 18:58:39 silly people thinking they can upgrade their laptops video cards Jul 14 19:00:52 chrisa: but the new setup is working great! :) Jul 14 19:01:26 I wish stupidity was grounds for banning people from forums Jul 14 19:01:49 Something about the forum medium lends itself to breeding stupidity and trolls Jul 14 19:02:05 mailing lists seem to fight it a bit via barrier to entry Jul 14 19:02:39 Yup. Thank god I only get to moderate nbr's thinkpad section. No retards like apple/dell/hp/acer Jul 14 19:03:16 Or the notebook gaming section. Everyone who posts in there should be shot Jul 14 19:03:17 thinkpads are a brand no one is a zealot about Jul 14 19:03:32 i know, lets fix it by forcing everyone to use their name as it appears on their credit card? Jul 14 19:03:38 I heart my thinkpad Jul 14 19:04:00 lol Jul 14 19:04:05 Hi, I'd like to doctor my Pre in order to see if some minor webos glitches disappear then: will my paid apps survive this? Jul 14 19:04:21 yes Jul 14 19:04:38 when you sign back into your palm profile after you dr it will grab your paid apps for you Jul 14 19:04:49 caution: takes a while Jul 14 19:04:54 use wifi Jul 14 19:04:59 wireless connection is recommended Jul 14 19:05:00 Usual gaming topic: "I just got a 399 gateway and was wondering how to play crysis on high" Jul 14 19:05:01 i always end up having to kill some of them Jul 14 19:05:07 so they stop clogging it up for the rest Jul 14 19:05:09 i stop them Jul 14 19:05:15 connect to wifi and resume download Jul 14 19:06:23 en0x: you mean, they will survive? what about patches? I'd like to wipe those... Jul 14 19:06:39 u will have to reinstall patches damada Jul 14 19:06:46 not "survive" a doctor Jul 14 19:07:01 ah OK thanks a lot for that info! Jul 14 19:07:36 Oh god, there was this one forum member who was adamant that the 260mGTX was the best graphics card ever when overclocked. Whenever someone else called him out on it he either just spouted bull, claimed they did benchmarks wrong, or claim that those extra fps were not needed Jul 14 19:09:02 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/56733869_42f4fece4a_o.jpg halfhalo_class Jul 14 19:09:19 YARLY Jul 14 19:09:51 ;D Jul 14 19:20:02 chrisa: hows work today? Jul 14 20:01:38 Alright, I'm new to the Package Manager Service problem...looking on the Twitter feed, but are there any other instructions for fixing it? Jul 14 20:02:51 what is the package manager service? Jul 14 20:03:55 Trying to update Preware to 1.2.0 is telling me I need Package Manager. :P I realize it doesn't use it anymore. Jul 14 20:04:33 I have not tried uninstalling/reinstalling Preware yet, but I was hoping there was a fix before trying that. Jul 14 20:04:42 remove the package manager from your saved package list Jul 14 20:04:50 close preware Jul 14 20:05:01 reload preware then try updating Jul 14 20:05:12 Reloading now. Jul 14 20:06:06 reload preware then try updating? I think you need a full close of preware as well and not just an update feeds. Jul 14 20:06:23 I did close it and reopen it, it's reloading now. Jul 14 20:07:28 whoa, take that to #radioactive Jul 14 20:09:13 Forgot to set my nick when I joined. Jul 14 20:11:32 hi Jul 14 20:11:34 hu Jul 14 20:11:54 ho Jul 14 20:11:57 ha Jul 14 20:12:14 where do I find info on compcache? Jul 14 20:14:29 this app doesn't work very well Jul 14 20:14:33 Jul 14 20:14:33 Jul 14 20:14:54 Jul 14 20:15:19 that's better... I can see Jul 14 20:16:25 using govnah 0.5.0 Jul 14 20:17:28 how do I find cpct version? I have terminal... Jul 14 20:18:33 cpct -v didn't work Jul 14 20:19:39 22:15:53 CTCP VERSION reply from joel_: qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/1.4.1.1; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/532.2 Pre/1.0 Jul 14 20:19:45 did I miss it? How do I find cpct version? Jul 14 20:19:46 it worked for me :) Jul 14 20:20:22 yeah man. Cool Jul 14 20:22:04 :-) Jul 14 20:23:11 crazy_bitch: that's a bit inappropriate Jul 14 20:23:19 atomicplayboy / calaverx11 did you get preware to update? Jul 14 20:23:51 crazy_bitch: please change your nick Jul 14 20:28:01 So...the latest warthog kernel causes a hard lockup when I try to change the governor in govnah Jul 14 20:28:02 what is compcache? What's the best setting for compcache? Jul 14 20:28:32 and I do mean hard lockup...it freezes with the ripples still on the screen and doesn't respond to anything but a battery pull Jul 14 20:28:59 good thing it's on your dev device Jul 14 20:29:45 idontwan2know: Warthog freezes for me before I even apply the change in Govnah. Jul 14 20:30:19 I'll just pick another governor from the dropdown. Instant freeze. I don't know if it's new Warthog or new Govnah, since I updated them both at the same time. :( Jul 14 20:30:41 it's warthog for me...I did some testing to isolate that after a fresh doctor Jul 14 20:30:58 uberkernel and thunderchief both work fine with the latest govnah Jul 14 20:31:01 Nice. You applied effort rather than being lazy like me. :) Jul 14 20:31:25 I can't install uberkernel 'cause my Preware thinks I already have it installed. Jul 14 20:33:09 coolio, compcache is compressed ram swap drive Jul 14 20:33:13 well I had to doctor anyway, so it made sense to isolate the problem while i was at it Jul 14 20:33:49 autobuilder is down so no new warthogs Jul 14 20:34:08 jhoweb: Are you aware of a specific problem with current Warthog? Just curious. Jul 14 20:34:54 misbehaving patches Jul 14 20:40:28 So how do I figure out why Preware thinks I have uberkernel installed when I don't? Or... how do I convince Preware that I don't have uberkernel installed? Jul 14 20:41:17 what happens when you try to uninstall it via preware? Jul 14 20:42:18 -how- did you get in that situation Jul 14 20:42:41 It dies pretty quickly. Error is "Fatal error occurred, unable to locate tarball" in the prerm script. Jul 14 20:43:48 how did you get into that situation? Jul 14 20:43:49 weird Jul 14 20:44:08 egaudet: As far as I can tell, I had no Uber installed this morning. I did an update that included preware, warthog, and govnah. Preware failed due to the "saved packages" thing, but warthog and govnah updated fine. Jul 14 20:45:11 I opted to reboot first before messing further with a Preware update. After rebooting, I hit Govnah to go back to screenstate mode --> instant freeze. Not sure if that's relevant. Anyway, after that point, I updated Preware (found the saved packages fix on PCentral) and then I've been seeing both Uber and warthog listed since. Jul 14 20:45:56 In all those steps, I don't know exactly when uber started appearing; I wasn't looking for that sort of oddity. Jul 14 20:50:49 interestingly odd Jul 14 20:50:59 Is there an ipkg equivalent of dpkg --force-all -r package ? That would be one approach. Jul 14 20:51:16 might have been in your saved package list or something? Jul 14 20:51:36 Yes, it might have, since I did run uber at one point. Jul 14 20:51:45 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove would be to remove the package (without running prerm) Jul 14 20:51:46 Now that I've overwritten said list... Jul 14 20:51:55 but make sure that it has no remnants Jul 14 20:53:04 I managed to do a same thing yesterday Jul 14 20:53:31 Dumb question perhaps... What's the packageid for uber? Jul 14 20:54:22 check the feed ipkg.preware.org Jul 14 20:54:37 It's the whole thing, right? from org. all the way to kernel-pre ? Jul 14 20:55:04 sans the version I believe ya Jul 14 20:55:08 ark3qqq: you might want to test for rwhitby Jul 14 20:55:48 I had similar situation where it said I had two kernels installed but mine took place in different circumstances to you Jul 14 20:57:37 Okay, success. Jul 14 20:57:43 pipsmith: How did you end up in that situation? Jul 14 20:59:44 ark3qqq, as I was halfway through update f105 I closed out wirc and it managed to freeze my pre. So I rebooted, ofcourse the kernel hadn't been restored but Preware still thought it was installed. Jul 14 21:00:26 Ah, okay. My MO is to close everything before starting Preware. I guess there is some value to my paranoia. :) Jul 14 21:00:44 I then run palm recovery and it still thought I had a custom kernel installed, yet I could still apply uberkernel Jul 14 21:00:59 Ye i think I will take that advice from now on. Jul 14 21:01:21 pipsmith: Odd. I thought the Palm recovery stuff was primarily about fixing what's on the filesystem, not fixing the package manager. Jul 14 21:06:55 I thought I saw a page somewhere that discusses the difference(s) between Warthog, Psycho, and SBromwich kernels. Anybody have a pointer to that handy? Jul 14 21:07:58 ark3qqq: I think rod is now rewriting it so that it will also overwrite whatever was left in my case. Jul 14 21:09:11 continuous improvement. :) Jul 14 21:14:39 ark3qqq: the Psycho kernels I think are where they are working on raw speed, sbromwich kernels are working on battery savings, Warthog you will have to ask jhojho / jhoweb what his focus is there. Jul 14 21:15:03 Uber is where all of the developements end up at once they are determined to be safe and fully tweaked Jul 14 21:15:12 it's called a stroll Jul 14 21:15:43 cryptk|work: Thanks for the summary. My effort to Google up the page I recall has been a failure. Jul 14 21:15:44 Warthog is my favorite but I am currently using Uber because of the bug in Warthog... once the autobuilder is back up and the new warthog comes out and fixes it then I will be back on the hog Jul 14 21:16:11 jhoweb: so you are basically going for whatever you want? or trying to combine Psycho and sbromwich Jul 14 21:16:20 cryptk|work: Same here, except I haven't chosen my replacement kernel yet. Jul 14 21:16:34 essentially, Jul 14 21:17:02 and to get things stable (recent versions excepted) Jul 14 21:17:22 The "closest to uberkernel" part of Warthog is what drew me in. Jul 14 21:18:46 think of it as a feeder to uber Jul 14 21:19:03 uber pre-alpha? Jul 14 21:20:21