**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 19 02:59:56 2010 Jul 19 03:06:23 Alpha testing be hard. Jul 19 03:09:10 you were expecting Champagne and Caviar? Jul 19 03:11:24 BeeRad, you were expecting Champagne and Caviar? Jul 19 03:11:59 No sir. Jul 19 03:12:29 :D Jul 19 03:12:31 Alpha testing is only hard for weakling devices. Jul 19 03:12:39 Pleasures outweigh the headaches. ;) Jul 19 03:13:07 I have one '78 Chuck Norris and one weaking in my testing so far. Third is undecided yet. Jul 19 03:13:53 * rwhitby bbl (some hours) Jul 19 03:13:59 I guess I dont have a Chuck Norris then. Jul 19 03:14:02 lol Jul 19 03:14:34 so... how bad of an idea would it be to do make -j12 stage, lol Jul 19 03:15:09 Lets put it this way, I'm getting faster at Doctoring/figuring out problems. haha Jul 19 03:15:14 you have a Pre with big b00bs Jul 19 03:15:29 uNiXpSyChO, I just want to mention that you are c Jul 19 03:15:38 s/c/crazy/ Jul 19 03:15:40 cryptk meant: uNiXpSyChO, I just want to mention that you are crazy Jul 19 03:15:58 1.2Ghz... really... Jul 19 03:16:20 there's always 1.3gig Jul 19 03:16:29 haha Jul 19 03:16:34 nah... just jump to 1.5 Jul 19 03:16:48 I shared my opinion on Twitter that I think Matias Duarte left Palm because he saw what 1.2Ghz did to his card animations. They don't exist anymore! haha. Jul 19 03:16:58 lol Jul 19 03:17:04 hahaha Jul 19 03:17:25 uNiXpSyChO, the SR71 kernel screenstate monitors the CPU temp? Jul 19 03:17:26 Seriously. This thing is a ballistic missile now. Jul 19 03:17:38 yep Jul 19 03:17:45 what temp does it clock down at? Jul 19 03:17:56 maybe my next kernel i'll name ICBM Jul 19 03:18:04 55C Jul 19 03:18:06 silver surfer Jul 19 03:18:14 that would come after ICBM Jul 19 03:18:23 unixpsycho: nice Jul 19 03:19:21 welp.... I have the money for a new phone... here go's nothin Jul 19 03:19:24 SR71 here I come Jul 19 03:20:08 maybe these people wouldn't be lagging out of IRC if they were running a uNiXpSyChO kernel... Jul 19 03:20:40 or maybe their Pre melted cuz they were running SR71 and got disconnected Jul 19 03:20:59 meh... either way your kernel is involved somehow Jul 19 03:30:02 uNiXpSyChO, I am amazed... my phone actually runs at 250MHz on SR71 Jul 19 03:30:08 250/1200 works flawless Jul 19 03:30:15 I have never been able to run sub-500 before Jul 19 03:30:19 it cant Jul 19 03:30:29 unless you have -78 Jul 19 03:30:51 it can't what? Jul 19 03:30:54 run at 250? Jul 19 03:31:02 yep Jul 19 03:31:06 then what is it running at when the screen is off? Jul 19 03:31:10 500 Jul 19 03:31:35 ahh, so it is ignoring the min freq setting if it is below 500 Jul 19 03:32:02 yep Jul 19 03:32:16 i changed that after release cuz sooo many users had wimpy Pre's Jul 19 03:32:30 so... votes... gonna do make -j12 stage on a quad core... Jul 19 06:09:02 morning Jul 19 08:11:50 Hello people. Is there any OC for my pre for 1.4.5 Jul 19 08:14:19 i'm on 1.4.5-58 uberkernel at 720mhz Jul 19 08:14:41 Hey! I was wondering if someone could help me install ubuntu on my computer? I'm running Windows Vista 64-bit. Jul 19 08:14:44 no problems yet? Jul 19 08:15:05 prince_basil: this is #webos-internals .. you probably want a different channel Jul 19 08:15:06 I'm running on same configuration as swisstomcat and no problems yet. Jul 19 08:15:25 #ubuntu maybe? Jul 19 08:15:31 Only sometimes LunaSysMgr ate 100% cpu, when screen is off and screenstate gonvernon is on ... (and also have brightness on 1%) Jul 19 08:15:35 ya, thats what I'm thinking Jul 19 08:15:41 I'm trying to install it so I could use meta-doctor. Sorry I should have specified. Jul 19 08:15:48 ahh Jul 19 08:16:03 in a virtual machine then, prince_basil? Jul 19 08:16:10 I was reading the forums in Precentral.net but its just all confusing. Jul 19 08:16:22 Yessir. I have Oracle VM Virtual Box Jul 19 08:16:35 That's where I have the emulator running at. Jul 19 08:16:40 yeah Jul 19 08:17:05 And I am almost done downloading Ubuntu 10.04 desktop. Is that right? Jul 19 08:17:33 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Jul 19 08:17:47 there's a section "Using a Virtual Machine" Jul 19 08:18:50 Okay. Cool. So I guess I have to go download 9.10 instead of 10.04... Hmm... Okay. I'll be back if I have questions. Jul 19 08:18:51 Thanks! Jul 19 08:20:42 Hmm... I can't find 9.10. It only shows me 10.04. Jul 19 08:22:25 it works fine with 10.04 Jul 19 08:22:42 Okay. I wasn't sure. Thanks! Jul 19 14:10:34 Hey I'm new to palm pre's. I have a problem with preware. Can anyone help? Jul 19 14:11:41 Topher: what is the problem? Jul 19 14:12:24 The error message says "The service version is too old. First try rebooting your phone, or reinstall Preware and try again." Jul 19 14:13:15 What webOS version have you got? What Preware version is it? How did you install Preware? Did you reboot? Jul 19 14:13:21 I've rebooted my phone, that didn't fix it. And when I went to WebOS Quick Install, it gives me another error message when I attempt to reinstall Preware. Jul 19 14:14:43 hmm Jul 19 14:14:57 what message does webos quick install give? Jul 19 14:15:08 WebOS version: 3.14. Preware version: 1.14. I installed preware originally through webos. And yes, I rebooted. Jul 19 14:15:57 I think you mean webos quick install version 3.14. What version is the webOS on your pre? Jul 19 14:16:18 WebOS error msg: "mount/dev/mapper/store-root on/failed:Device or resource busy" Jul 19 14:16:36 hmm Jul 19 14:17:02 How do i find out what version webOS is on my pre? Jul 19 14:17:34 On the pre, open the device info app and it says on the first page. Jul 19 14:17:39 yeah Jul 19 14:17:55 that webos error seems to be fixed by a reboot, but you said you already rebootet Jul 19 14:18:12 nvm Found it, it's1.4.1.1 Jul 19 14:18:14 Oh, yeah. Jul 19 14:18:31 are you confident with the command line? Jul 19 14:19:01 on my pc? I've used it a couple times for ipconfig and other networking issues... Jul 19 14:20:02 I've never used the Linux commandline, however. Jul 19 14:20:21 you'd have to use both to install preware with an advanced method Jul 19 14:21:00 It's worth a shot, if you're willing to help guide me through it. Jul 19 14:21:15 sure Jul 19 14:21:18 I'd really appreciate man. Jul 19 14:21:22 open a command line on your pc Jul 19 14:21:25 ok Jul 19 14:21:33 novcom -t open tty:// Jul 19 14:21:36 ooops Jul 19 14:21:40 novacom -t open tty:// Jul 19 14:21:55 I just copy and paste what you typed? Jul 19 14:22:03 yeah, or type it Jul 19 14:23:18 "novacom" is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Jul 19 14:23:34 =( Jul 19 14:24:10 cd "\Program Files\Palm, Inc" Jul 19 14:24:12 neevverrrmind. Jul 19 14:24:28 you meant to open the command line in webOS.. Jul 19 14:24:32 and NOT my pc. Jul 19 14:24:33 hah. Jul 19 14:24:38 no, that is done on your PC Jul 19 14:24:40 Okay I got it now. Jul 19 14:24:58 yeah, you have to be in the correct directory Jul 19 14:25:04 so what do you have now? Jul 19 14:25:10 Have you been to http://install.preware.org ?? Jul 19 14:25:45 you should see root@palm-webos-device:/# now Jul 19 14:26:00 good idea pip, technically we should make sure he installed it properly in the first place Jul 19 14:26:13 have him remove preware and install via the official instructions, lol Jul 19 14:26:28 but swisstomcat probably knows more about this than me, lol Jul 19 14:26:45 WOSQI didn't work Jul 19 14:26:49 @Swisstomcat: Okay, So I typed what you said and yep it says "root@palm-webos-device" Jul 19 14:26:56 great Jul 19 14:27:03 type the following command Jul 19 14:27:06 cd /tmp Jul 19 14:27:07 okay Jul 19 14:27:18 wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Jul 19 14:27:24 Yes but there is also the standalone installer and the method you are doing now is also documented there Jul 19 14:27:55 okay. Jul 19 14:27:58 and at last type: Jul 19 14:28:06 sh -x preware-bootstrap Jul 19 14:28:17 (answer N to alpha versions) Jul 19 14:28:26 ahh yes.. the bootstrap... I have it on my phone just in case Jul 19 14:28:39 yeah, sometimes this works as a last resort Jul 19 14:28:40 okay Jul 19 14:28:42 And it also hasn't been confirmed that the original attempt at installation has been removed Jul 19 14:29:03 the bootstrap takes care of that I think Jul 19 14:29:15 i did that, and now it's gone kinda greyish... and says please wait...in the dialogue box Jul 19 14:29:37 nothing else? Jul 19 14:29:55 no. Jul 19 14:30:35 It's still just sittin there... Jul 19 14:31:14 which dialog box? inside the command line? Jul 19 14:31:28 there should be just a bunch of commands running Jul 19 14:31:28 yes Jul 19 14:32:20 no, after i typed the "sh -x preware etc" it has just gone grey. Jul 19 14:32:41 sounds like his command prompt froze up Jul 19 14:33:06 and what about that dialog box? Jul 19 14:33:07 and when i say that, i mean that the box where i originally typed the stuff you said to type has gone grey. and the button at the bottom says "please wait" Jul 19 14:33:08 describe what you see Jul 19 14:33:35 a button? hmm Jul 19 14:33:35 screenshot? Jul 19 14:33:52 Why doesn't he pastebin a screenshot Jul 19 14:33:55 Here's all that the commandline box says now: Jul 19 14:33:57 root@palm-webos-device: cd /tmpwget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Connecting to bit.ly (168.143.173.249:80) preware-bootstrap 0% | | 0 --:--:-- ETA preware-bootstrap 100% |*******************************| 7797 --:--:-- ETA root@palm-webos-device: sh -x preware-bootstrap Jul 19 14:35:12 is it back to being able to type in it agaiN? Jul 19 14:35:20 no Jul 19 14:35:21 that looks good so far Jul 19 14:35:26 i just wonder about that button Jul 19 14:35:34 can you post a screenshot? Jul 19 14:35:35 it's been sitting like that for quite a while. Jul 19 14:35:39 seems his prompt froze up, windows greys out windows when they freeze/hang Jul 19 14:36:00 but what about this "please wait" button? Jul 19 14:36:05 how do i drop in the screenshot, i know how to take them, just not familiar with this irc. Jul 19 14:36:15 upload it somewhere Jul 19 14:36:18 that is a window that windows put up over it with options Jul 19 14:36:31 haven't used windows for a while Jul 19 14:36:44 ether that or it puts Please Wait in the title bar when they hang as wel Jul 19 14:36:49 sounds like he is on Vista Jul 19 14:36:54 (not sure if 7 does the same) Jul 19 14:36:57 i dont have a photobucket or anything like that. and I'm running windows 7. Jul 19 14:37:06 ahh, so 7 has the same behavior Jul 19 14:37:10 never used 7 much Jul 19 14:37:11 i see Jul 19 14:37:15 i like 7 so far.. Jul 19 14:37:24 it's far more stable than vista IMO Jul 19 14:37:27 anyway. Jul 19 14:37:28 I am even surprised I remember that, I barely use windows except for at work... and that is XP Jul 19 14:37:30 there seems to be something wrong Jul 19 14:37:45 yes, you can try closing and reopening the terminal window Jul 19 14:37:53 close the command-line and reboot the pre once again Jul 19 14:37:56 that is a windows thing Jul 19 14:38:04 should i use the task manager to force-end the program? Jul 19 14:38:28 nvm Jul 19 14:38:33 wasnt necessary. Jul 19 14:39:49 While it's rebooting: what the heck is novacom? Jul 19 14:40:24 novacom is a program used to access the linux terminal in your pre over the USB connection Jul 19 14:40:30 ahh Jul 19 14:40:31 i see. Jul 19 14:40:33 thanks Jul 19 14:40:40 there is a server for it that runs on the phone when it is in developer mode Jul 19 14:40:53 that is one of the things that happens when you turn on dev mode Jul 19 14:41:01 oh okay cool Jul 19 14:41:11 along with a few other things Jul 19 14:41:20 this really is a neat phone! I'm very impressed with all the things it can do! Jul 19 14:41:32 yeah Jul 19 14:41:33 I just got it yesterday (can u tell? haha ) Jul 19 14:41:39 welcome! Jul 19 14:41:43 Topher: if you don't have preware yet then you ain't seen nothing yet Jul 19 14:41:43 hah thanks! Jul 19 14:41:50 and welcome to webOS Jul 19 14:42:08 what carrier are you on? Jul 19 14:42:21 ATT? Jul 19 14:42:39 att would 1.4.2 Jul 19 14:42:43 true Jul 19 14:42:50 so VZW or Sprint Jul 19 14:43:09 or one of the international networks Jul 19 14:43:15 cause O2 is on 1.4.5 Jul 19 14:43:20 well thanks, the previous guy who had it before me had preware and a bunch of other apps on it. but i didnt like a lot of them so i deleted them. and preware never worked even when i first got it. so i deleted it and attempted to reinstall it. that brings us to now. oh and I'm on sprint. sorry for the rant. Jul 19 14:43:47 ahh, nice... I have a Sprint Pre also... I love the fact that it is the "underdog" Jul 19 14:43:53 me too Jul 19 14:43:53 haha Jul 19 14:44:04 I like tweaking it to try and get it to outperform the Pre Plus' Jul 19 14:44:17 is that possible? Jul 19 14:44:23 I'm so stupid, I'm on o2 and only just remembered I'm on 1.4.5 Jul 19 14:44:44 topher: did you doctor the device or did you just delete a bunch of stuff? Jul 19 14:44:51 doctor=factory reset Jul 19 14:44:52 yes it is possible. Just hope you have a chuck norris pre, haha Jul 19 14:44:57 oh Jul 19 14:45:23 no i just deleted them manually. cuz i like a few of the apps he already had. and he said they werent avail anymore. Jul 19 14:45:33 which apps? Jul 19 14:45:39 i dunno. lol Jul 19 14:46:15 if you just got it then it may be a good idea to start with a fresh phone Jul 19 14:46:43 but if you can tell us the names of the apps that you like then we can probably tell you where to get them from Jul 19 14:46:55 i see Jul 19 14:46:59 I don't know of too many apps that aren't available anymore Jul 19 14:47:01 yeah, it might be a good idea to doctor the deivce Jul 19 14:47:02 okay. Jul 19 14:47:03 device Jul 19 14:47:07 to have a fresh start Jul 19 14:47:13 imho Jul 19 14:47:19 i just got done reinstalling preware. Jul 19 14:47:20 if you got it from someone else Jul 19 14:47:21 If you are going to doctor make sure you know your friends palm profile email address and password Jul 19 14:47:25 it seemingly worked this time. Jul 19 14:47:38 ahh, is preware loading correctly? saying things about downloading and loading Jul 19 14:47:58 yes. its currently downloading the webos patches. Jul 19 14:48:06 aaand... done! Jul 19 14:48:10 okay. Jul 19 14:48:24 PS what is "internalz"? Jul 19 14:48:49 internalz is a file manager for the pre Jul 19 14:48:54 It is an on device file manager developed by canuck software Jul 19 14:48:59 lets you copy, delete, rename, move files and what not Jul 19 14:49:07 hmm... Jul 19 14:49:19 it is very nice (and afaik the only file manager) Jul 19 14:49:29 canuck software also makes Quick Install Jul 19 14:49:32 i dont think i'd need that just yet. i can always get that later right? Jul 19 14:49:52 with Preware, you can always get anything later Jul 19 14:49:53 yes Jul 19 14:49:58 indeed Jul 19 14:49:58 sweet! Jul 19 14:50:09 morning rwhitby ... or is it night for you? Jul 19 14:50:17 cryptk|work: 12:20am Jul 19 14:50:22 did you guys see that Palm is hiring a Senior kernel Developer Jul 19 14:50:29 yep Jul 19 14:50:32 ahh, so it is kinda both for you Jul 19 14:50:35 rwhitby: Does the wirc v0.3 work with save/restore? Jul 19 14:50:43 uNiXpSyChO: whould apply for that... lol Jul 19 14:50:49 pip: dunno Jul 19 14:50:49 s/whould/should/ Jul 19 14:50:51 cryptk|work meant: uNiXpSyChO: should apply for that... lol Jul 19 14:51:19 anyone on the webos-internals kernel team could have that job if they wanted it Jul 19 14:51:28 indeed Jul 19 14:51:36 jhojho: would be a great fit also Jul 19 14:51:48 but then we wouldn't be able to get that persons kernels anymore... Jul 19 14:51:54 that would be sad Jul 19 14:51:54 rwhitby: I don't think it is. Haven't been able to get it to work on the alpha test or the new files Jul 19 14:52:23 pip: the guys who did that script don't have 1.4.5 Jul 19 14:52:26 PS What's the "Facebook Chat Spoof"? Jul 19 14:52:33 I will look at the script after I have done more testing on the new srf.app... Jul 19 14:54:31 ? Jul 19 14:54:41 rwhitby: Is there also any documentation about creating a patch, the wiki seems out of date and I would like to try creating one. Jul 19 14:55:05 pip: unified diff, rooted at /, -p1. Jul 19 14:57:46 rwhitby: unified diff is the language? rooted at / refers to just linux commandline the pre? not a clue about the -p1 Jul 19 14:58:06 swisstomcat: thanks for your help Jul 19 14:58:14 n Jul 19 14:58:16 np Jul 19 14:58:33 and thanks to everyone else as well. Jul 19 14:58:43 glad you got it working Jul 19 14:59:28 mee too! Jul 19 14:59:30 hehe Jul 19 15:00:53 cryptk|work: hey thanks again for ur help man. Jul 19 15:01:01 Topher: wasn Jul 19 15:01:07 wasn't just me, but you are welcome Jul 19 15:01:17 I know. Jul 19 15:01:36 i thanks swisstomcat, and then i generalized everyone else, cuz i lost track at that point... Jul 19 15:01:37 lol Jul 19 15:01:39 =P Jul 19 15:03:14 haha Jul 19 15:03:48 anyway, i gotta run. thanks again, everyone. Jul 19 15:03:52 bye Jul 19 15:09:13 rwhitby: Testing new save/restore files on quite a few apps and the launcher. All has gone smooth. Will test my problem script now. Jul 19 15:09:33 pip: the one with spaces in the database name? Jul 19 15:10:03 rwhitby:in the middle of testing now Jul 19 15:13:21 rwhitby: getting an OIFS at the end of save. Let me try a few things Jul 19 15:26:37 rwhitby: What does OIFS stand for? Jul 19 15:27:14 Audermars02: Did you get the My DataBank script to go through when you tested? Jul 19 15:30:02 pip: I have never heard of an OIFS and I can't find it on google Jul 19 15:31:19 pip: 2nd question first: yes, i did get it to work... did u have a chance to test the files i sent you? Jul 19 15:32:31 Audemars02: Yes they are loaded on save/restore now and have worked on 10 of my apps and a launcher replace Jul 19 15:34:59 pip: here is what Rod did with OIFS. basicially, Rod set the IFS to /n to fix the spaces issue...but when it called the ZIP data, it broke because of this. so, rod set a varible called OIFS (basically, Original IFS) at the start, so he can reset the IFS variable later on to its original data Jul 19 15:37:22 audemars02: So it is trying to take me back to original IFS. By the way what script did you use on My DataBank, did you create your own? Jul 19 15:38:25 pip: i used your script for my databank, but had to use the 5 new files that Rod sent me (srf.app.cookies, cookies, files, info, query) Jul 19 15:38:29 btw, thank you for all your hard work on Save restore Jul 19 15:38:43 that is te most groundbreaking app to come out since Preware IMHO Jul 19 15:39:15 cryptk: you are welcome, but Rod deserves MOST of that credit. he built the app, we just support it and add scripts! Jul 19 15:40:45 Audermars, you changed the cookies file twice ;) Jul 19 15:42:02 pip: sigh... replace one cookie with the database file Jul 19 15:42:48 Audermars02: Have confirmed that the ones I am using are the modified files Jul 19 15:56:22 Audemars02: indeed he does deserve a bunch of credit also, he created the framework for save/restore to happen Jul 19 15:57:33 if only there was a way to be able to push the saverestore backup into the palm cloud, lol Jul 19 15:57:46 but you can always copy it onto your PC Jul 19 15:58:51 cryptk: I havent looked at dropbox or zumo those apps, but is there a way to set the saverestore directory to be auto backed up that way? Jul 19 16:07:33 Audemars02: there very well may be Jul 19 16:07:48 I don't have the dropbox app, but I do have a dropbox account Jul 19 16:08:28 perhaps we can get the functionality added into save/restore to be able to set a custom location for the backup to be placed... Jul 19 16:08:45 or just add that saverestore folder into the dropbox folder Jul 19 16:09:32 is the dropbox app in the app cat or homebrew? Jul 19 16:12:39 dropdop is in app catalog... but i know that jason is working on his own, too Jul 19 16:12:52 i want to check out zumo first, since i know that is free and the dropbox app is paid Jul 19 16:14:23 yeah, 3 bucks... Jul 19 16:15:22 maybe we can have Save/Restore check and see if any of the cloud storage apps are installed... zumo, dropboxify etc... and if it is have a configuration option to keep the data in the folder that they are pushing to the cloud Jul 19 16:49:45 wakawakawaka Jul 19 17:04:56 rails is being mean... Jul 19 17:12:03 oil: ping Jul 19 17:15:54 I sure wish there were an easy way to make computer to POTS calls for free Jul 19 17:56:05 aaron: if you connect the computer to a phone line there is Jul 19 18:12:44 cryptk: you there? have some update on how to backup the save/restore stuff via the cloud. still manual, but i have a method to do it (i just did!) Jul 19 18:17:58 Audemars02: what did you do? Jul 19 18:18:36 its a multi-step process: 1) open terminal, "cd /media/internal" and then execute this command: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin/zip -r saverestore.zip saverestore/* ... this will create a saverestore.zip file in your USB drive Jul 19 18:19:08 2) I downloaded and set up ZumoDrive. its a free app, and you get 1 GB free storage (plus another free GB if you take the tour of their site) Jul 19 18:19:27 3) i opened up zumodrive, pressed the upload up arrow and then uploaded the saverestore.zip file ... Jul 19 18:19:38 boom, i have the file backed up Jul 19 18:20:33 (and just to be clear: this was the command "media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin/zip -r saverestore.zip saverestore/* " Jul 19 18:21:02 i posted a forum post to Rod in the save/restore thread asking if there was a way to build this into the save/restore app Jul 19 18:26:57 Audemars02: my internet dropped out, what is it that you did? Jul 19 18:27:19 i said: its a multi-step process: 1) open terminal, "cd /media/internal" and then execute this command: " /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin/zip -r saverestore.zip saverestore/* " ... this will create a saverestore.zip file in your USB drive Jul 19 18:27:24 2) I downloaded and set up ZumoDrive. its a free app, and you get 1 GB free storage (plus another free GB if you take the tour of their site) Jul 19 18:27:28 3) i opened up zumodrive, pressed the upload up arrow and then uploaded the saverestore.zip file ... Jul 19 18:27:32 boom, i have the file backed up Jul 19 18:28:36 nice, so there should be a way we can launch zumodrive with some parameters to upload a file hopefully Jul 19 18:29:04 once we figure that out then we can have save/restore check if zumo is installed if it is then have an option to back up on zumo Jul 19 18:29:33 much better, I have my real name again Jul 19 18:29:34 lol Jul 19 18:31:05 i posted a forum post to Rod in the save/restore thread asking if there was a way to build this into the save/restore app... if you want to add to it, feel free! Jul 19 18:32:00 (although knowing Rod, he would probably say: Great idea...go code it! :-) Jul 19 18:38:50 Audemars02: I bet he would, lol Jul 19 19:00:29 *crickets* Jul 19 19:09:25 *yawn* Jul 19 19:14:24 * halfhalo_class fluffs out some code and takes a nap Jul 19 20:19:31 for anyone interested in save/restore...i just uploaded a script (within save/restore) to ZIP up your save/restore folder to allow easy backup via a cloud app (zumodrive, dropbox, etc) ... details at http://forums.precentral.net/2563398-post708.html Jul 19 20:38:29 HELLLOOOOO IRC! Jul 19 20:42:44 ..chirp... ...chirp... Jul 19 20:43:12 pie Jul 19 20:43:36 hows it goin halfhalo_class Jul 19 20:43:41 good... Jul 19 20:43:54 trying to figure out why im not loggin in as root to my vps Jul 19 20:44:23 THERE we go Jul 19 20:44:28 so... I just found out that the 5 systems that I had to create linux distros for (all different architectures so I had to cros compile everything... 5 times...) are the wrong systems. Jul 19 20:44:36 ha Jul 19 20:44:50 at least 3 of the systems use the same arch as some of the 5 I already did so I don't have to redo those distros Jul 19 20:45:10 but the other two don't so I am now cross compiling everything... from source... again... twice... Jul 19 20:45:13 cryptk: check out http://forums.precentral.net/2563398-post708.html ... wrote a script to zip the saverestore stuff Jul 19 20:46:43 Audemars02: genious Jul 19 20:47:04 I like how it is at the end of the list so you can select all, hit save and have it zip everything up as the last part Jul 19 20:47:04 zip is so last year Jul 19 20:47:31 it would definitely be better to have it in a prefrence for the app, but this si great work towards a good proof of concept for cloud storage of your save/restore data Jul 19 20:47:45 indeed, I would to a tar.bz2 myself Jul 19 20:47:57 but zip will definitely be able to be opened by windoze users Jul 19 20:48:39 yea...this is a first step... not ideal, but a first step Jul 19 20:49:10 I am thinking that it would be best to get everything working in a script for each of the cloud services Jul 19 20:49:34 if you can make a script that is totally fire and forget, you run it and it creates the archive and uploads it to zumo that would be ideal Jul 19 20:49:49 then those "cloud storage" scripts could be selected as a prefrence Jul 19 20:50:07 zip is optware package? Jul 19 20:50:26 it would allow the program to have a modular cloud storage setup similar to the app backups Jul 19 20:51:21 anyone know where the launcher layout files are in the filesystem, user-dock-positions are in /var/palm somewhere like that perhaps? Jul 19 20:51:52 check the launcher backup script for save/restore Jul 19 20:52:15 would that be the service or something else? Jul 19 20:52:35 it is one of the scripts used by the save/restore app Jul 19 20:52:47 ok thanks Jul 19 20:53:01 Audemars02 would probably be able to answer your question though, or at least point you to where that script is at Jul 19 20:53:43 oh okay Jul 19 20:57:50 diov: in a meeting right now, can really talk..will try to answer your questions shortly Jul 19 20:58:30 Audemars02 thanks Jul 19 21:09:46 weee debugging php on a server with no logs! Jul 19 21:26:21 halfhalo_class: do you guys just hate yourselves? Jul 19 21:26:36 slightly, yes Jul 19 21:28:18 ascii pr0n time! ;] Jul 19 21:29:55 woa what? Jul 19 21:31:47 u know ;] Jul 19 21:32:19 halfhalo_class: I love it when sql fails and the page just goes blank Jul 19 21:32:33 halfhalo_class: new thing ?> echo lol Jul 19 21:32:55 lol Jul 19 21:34:10 that is why all of the pages I write have code to fail gracefully if the sql connection is lost Jul 19 21:34:28 sometimes you can give out some info that you would rather people not know if there is no sql connection Jul 19 21:34:33 no, the queries are invalid Jul 19 21:34:36 I'm working on the page Jul 19 21:34:43 of course, this is debugging Jul 19 21:36:12 ahh Jul 19 21:43:59 hello all Jul 19 21:44:30 im here jus to ask for a lil help with alternative recovery of pre after installing sr71 bb kernel Jul 19 21:44:35 can anyone help Jul 19 21:45:22 what is your problem? Jul 19 21:45:51 what point are you stuck at? Jul 19 21:46:38 diov: ok, free now. u still have any questions about the launcher script? Jul 19 21:47:05 sorry wifi died Jul 19 21:47:08 im trying to go about removin kernelwith out doctoring pre Jul 19 21:47:27 have you tried booting the pre up with it plugged into the wall? Jul 19 21:47:33 yea Jul 19 21:47:38 and no go? Jul 19 21:47:38 had been trying since sun Jul 19 21:47:44 ahh Jul 19 21:47:46 then after update to 81 Jul 19 21:47:50 i though it would work Jul 19 21:47:53 still nothing Jul 19 21:48:02 had a chucknorris pre but dropped it Jul 19 21:48:08 this is my replacement Jul 19 21:48:11 and its weak Jul 19 21:48:13 so the phone doesn't boot up? Jul 19 21:48:20 nah jus stuck in boot loop Jul 19 21:48:21 don't feel bad, I have a weak pre also Jul 19 21:48:53 hey at least it ran thunderchief fine Jul 19 21:49:18 but yea i dont wanna have to doctor it again if i dont have to Jul 19 21:49:32 jus reinstalled all patches and apps Jul 19 21:49:44 i currently got it in bootie Jul 19 21:49:57 but im tryin to to do the uimage method Jul 19 21:50:00 and i need a lil help Jul 19 21:50:05 dakiddhm: try following the instructions in this post Jul 19 21:50:06 http://forums.precentral.net/2561041-post33.html Jul 19 21:50:26 or if using Windows: cd \program files\palm\sdk\bin Jul 19 21:50:38 novacom boot mem:// < uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Jul 19 21:50:38 yep Jul 19 21:50:55 ty pyscho Jul 19 21:50:57 that should allow the phone to boot up then you can change out the kernel Jul 19 21:51:03 opps psycho Jul 19 21:51:12 thats what i was unsure of Jul 19 21:51:17 i had a linux live cd Jul 19 21:51:26 and was gonna try that but for windows ok Jul 19 21:51:28 but that is only good for one bootup I think, if you reboot it go's away... so make sure after you boot it you replace the kernel before you reboot Jul 19 21:51:34 Audemars02; wheres the fileslocated in the pres filesystem? the script didnt help me much Jul 19 21:51:35 install the Palm SDK and novacom will come with it Jul 19 21:51:44 yeah, either one works, I have done the memboot in linux and in windows Jul 19 21:51:49 I think WOSQI can install it as well Jul 19 21:51:51 i thank you unix Jul 19 21:51:59 uNiXpSyChO: indeed you can with WOSQI Jul 19 21:52:08 u make the pre worth keeping Jul 19 21:52:17 ive had it since launch Jul 19 21:52:20 cryptk|work: since I dont use Windows I had no idea. ;P Jul 19 21:52:31 and have takin a beating from iphone users and android people Jul 19 21:52:37 Audemars02 meaning the layout files eg something along lines of user-dock-positions.json Jul 19 21:52:55 uNiXpSyChO: I only use it at work but I had to memboot a friends pre at his place last week, all he had was windows Jul 19 21:54:35 diov: the layout is included in a database file... rows 30-33 of the script ( http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=blob;f=scripts/com.palm.app.launcher;h=f70d822d2497bc8e3a934781b69b98c44a7147f0;hb=HEAD ) pulls the database file.. Jul 19 21:55:29 diov: if you pull the file " /var/palm/data/Databases.db " and look for the name of the database under "luna-applauncher" you need to then find that database itself Jul 19 21:57:23 Audemars02 how can i open the db file Jul 19 21:57:24 diov: then you need to find the databse file referenced in the .db file in the "/var/palm/data" file Jul 19 21:57:45 Audemars02: by keeping the timestamp in the filename then that file can be compared to the date/time of the last save in saverestore... that little check could be used to see if the zip file should be used or if it is out of date Jul 19 21:58:15 if it is out of date then restore from the data that save/restore normally uses... if that data does not exist (as would be the case with a new phone) then use the zip Jul 19 21:58:37 diof: i would recommend http://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlitebrowser/ Jul 19 21:59:28 Audemars02 thanks ill give it a try Jul 19 21:59:33 cryptk: too must for me to code... for me, i just wanted a way to back up the save/restore archive to the cloud... Jul 19 22:01:42 Audemars02: it is time for me to go home from work, I may look into it a bit once I get home Jul 19 22:01:47 maybe work in some restore logic Jul 19 22:01:59 cryptk: no worries.. same here Jul 19 22:03:10 bbiab all Jul 19 22:06:34 Audemars02 thanks ive got it sorted out but you wouldnt happen to know where the wallpaper settings are would you? Jul 19 22:09:30 palm inspector keeps sayin is emulator running Jul 19 22:15:27 ???? Jul 19 22:17:30 diov - no idea Jul 19 22:17:42 okay thanks for your help :) Jul 19 22:17:46 YW Jul 19 22:22:59 hello Jul 19 22:23:05 can u offer a lil help Jul 19 22:32:58 cryptk Jul 19 22:33:04 im stuck Jul 19 22:33:10 i installed sdk Jul 19 22:33:31 and its saying connection refused is emulator running Jul 19 22:35:56 dam wifi Jul 19 22:36:55 cryptk ? Jul 19 22:37:04 sorry, was away for a second Jul 19 22:37:18 ok i tried installing sdk Jul 19 22:37:20 what command are you using? Jul 19 22:37:30 and now i guess i type these commanin msdos prompt Jul 19 22:37:40 yes Jul 19 22:37:48 when you are in the folder with the novacom executable Jul 19 22:37:51 jus blank Jul 19 22:37:57 sits there Jul 19 22:38:08 why dont you tell us what you are typing instead of just saying it doesnt work Jul 19 22:38:12 i placed the file in same directory as novacom Jul 19 22:38:18 k unix Jul 19 22:38:40 tell us exactly what command you put in the dos prompt Jul 19 22:39:09 cd \program files (x86)\palm\sdk\bin Jul 19 22:39:25 ok, and the novacom line? Jul 19 22:39:37 then novacom boot mem://uimage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Jul 19 22:39:43 is the phone is revoery mode? Jul 19 22:39:52 recovery Jul 19 22:39:53 yes i have the usb image Jul 19 22:40:02 and put a space between mem:// and uimage Jul 19 22:40:13 k Jul 19 22:40:13 and a < Jul 19 22:40:24 novacom boot mem:// < uimage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Jul 19 22:40:25 like that Jul 19 22:40:45 < space uimage ? Jul 19 22:41:05 yes Jul 19 22:41:22 you can copy and paste the line I put in Jul 19 22:41:30 uimage file is in same location as novacom Jul 19 22:41:36 good Jul 19 22:41:37 k Jul 19 22:41:44 is it named the same thing? Jul 19 22:41:52 uimage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430? Jul 19 22:42:38 yes Jul 19 22:42:44 ok Jul 19 22:43:04 then from the folder with novacom in it, put the phone in recovery mode and run the command exactly as I put it Jul 19 22:43:20 you can copy it from IRC, then right click in the dos prompt and hit paste Jul 19 22:43:29 control V won't work to paste in a dos prompt Jul 19 22:43:52 ok currently phone is in recovery mode and its connected via usb Jul 19 22:44:01 and i have typed out command in dos window Jul 19 22:44:05 about to hit enter Jul 19 22:44:35 do it Jul 19 22:44:51 I will do it again with _ for spaces just to clarify Jul 19 22:45:06 novacom_boot_mem://_<_uimage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Jul 19 22:45:12 those are the only spaces Jul 19 22:45:17 ok usb icon went to palm log Jul 19 22:45:22 good stuff Jul 19 22:45:25 you are membooting Jul 19 22:45:26 waiting to see if it pulses Jul 19 22:45:32 ok its pulsing Jul 19 22:45:49 when it comes up remove the SR-71 either with preware or by orange(silver) tapping it in the launcher Jul 19 22:45:58 then install whatever kernel you want Jul 19 22:46:13 thank you i had a dumb moment Jul 19 22:46:14 I know the current warthog in the testing feed is stable on a weak pre Jul 19 22:46:24 im a electrical engineer Jul 19 22:46:24 no problem... I think you were just missing a space Jul 19 22:46:26 haha Jul 19 22:46:36 electrical engineers are good at wires, not at command lines Jul 19 22:46:37 no a little about pc windows side Jul 19 22:46:41 exactly Jul 19 22:46:42 lol Jul 19 22:46:54 I will make sure to ask you next time I need to remember how to wire up a 220V plug Jul 19 22:47:01 lol Jul 19 22:47:13 i wanna thank you and unix for your help Jul 19 22:47:17 no problem man Jul 19 22:47:37 i seen in the forums unix was gettin pissed and everyone asking the same thing i was Jul 19 22:47:47 nope Jul 19 22:47:47 uNiXpSyChO's kernels are very cutting edge and are usually not that stable on our weak pre's... makes me sad because they always have all of the coolest goodies in them Jul 19 22:47:59 i was getting pissed at people *not* using this method Jul 19 22:48:02 u said the whole recovery thing was gettin out of hand Jul 19 22:48:04 haha, yeah... even though he had spelled out the instructions Jul 19 22:48:06 ok Jul 19 22:48:28 that is why nobody likes to do documentation... not only is it booring, but nobody ever reads it, lol Jul 19 22:48:32 i was @ work and couldnt thumb thru the 18 pages @ the time and in the wiki it was linux based Jul 19 22:48:53 if i had time i would have read it im know the feeling of dealing with lazy people Jul 19 22:49:30 if people want to Doctor their phone then go ahead. it is much easier to do a mem boot. but people ignored it and still complained at how to doctor their phone. its madness Jul 19 22:49:39 indeed Jul 19 22:49:44 memboot is very easy Jul 19 22:49:47 exactly unix Jul 19 22:50:06 there is absolutely no need to doctor your phone from a kernel problem Jul 19 22:50:14 i wanna thank you for your work it has made me make iphone users phone look slow as hell Jul 19 22:50:14 and I use the word problem very loosely in this case Jul 19 22:50:44 If this was a WinMo phone then you would be doomed ;P Jul 19 22:50:50 there is technically nothing wrong at all with uNiXpSyChO's kernel, just some of the hardware isn't stable in those situations Jul 19 22:51:06 i understand Jul 19 22:51:12 haha, if this phone was winmo then it would be slower at 1200 than the stock pre... Jul 19 22:51:47 i ill say this ...i have a sprint pre from launch and ive been beating up verbally for havin this phone Jul 19 22:52:08 but the community and the work you guys have done make me proud to own the phone Jul 19 22:52:18 ok kernel removed Jul 19 22:52:22 well those same iphone lusers have to hold their phone all whack just to make a call. Jul 19 22:52:42 lol Jul 19 22:53:09 very true and jobs is arguing say other phones have same issues jus to save face Jul 19 22:54:00 im gonna note pad this method cause ive spent hours re applying patches and etc Jul 19 22:54:10 imma go have a beer on you guys thanks again Jul 19 22:54:38 np man Jul 19 22:55:23 I love it when iPhone people make fun of my Pre... I just pull it out of my pocket... tell them "check this out"... put it in my left hand and say "yep... still works" Jul 19 22:56:15 or tell them to switch apps without disconnecting IM session Jul 19 22:56:59 yeah, lol Jul 19 22:57:03 I like that one too Jul 19 22:57:49 the fact that I can have pandora running to play music... while playing a game... then answer a call... when the call ends pandora starts back up and the game is exactly where I left it Jul 19 22:59:04 iPhone cant do that... not even sure the iphone4 can either. epic FAIL. Jul 19 23:01:55 yep Jul 19 23:06:33 i must also say with my phone being down ..the wife thought i didnt go to work so she called jus to see if i was stepping out Jul 19 23:06:35 lol Jul 19 23:07:26 she has the moment and i laugh @ how slow it is thanks to thunderchief Jul 19 23:13:22 think my cpu got a lil damaged Jul 19 23:13:34 i left it in boot loop on wall charger for 7 hours Jul 19 23:13:42 phone was HOT as hell Jul 19 23:14:03 now with nothing running except govnah its idling @ 45c Jul 19 23:15:46 is it on the charger? Jul 19 23:15:57 not now Jul 19 23:16:03 when it was stuck in boot loop @ work Jul 19 23:16:06 hrm... what speed is it running at? Jul 19 23:16:18 currently 700 Jul 19 23:16:27 i jus dropped it to 500 Jul 19 23:16:32 screen on or off? Jul 19 23:16:32 I am assuming on Jul 19 23:16:36 and its @ 45c Jul 19 23:16:43 yes screen on Jul 19 23:16:44 just let it sit for a bit and see if it go's down Jul 19 23:16:50 i usually stay @ 39 Jul 20 00:04:02 ~lart widk Jul 20 00:04:02 * infobot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on widk Jul 20 00:04:43 cryptk: you were lookin for me? Jul 20 00:07:21 yes Jul 20 00:07:28 but I can't remember what for... Jul 20 00:07:39 unless you know about the widk and why speechd is failing to make stage Jul 20 00:10:29 trying something Jul 20 00:11:29 anyone know if one app can access another apps service? Jul 20 00:12:27 yes Jul 20 00:13:18 I am trying to find where the zumodrive service is stored at Jul 20 00:13:52 for the zumodrive storage for save/restore Jul 20 00:15:11 if it is avail via app catalog Jul 20 00:15:17 probably no service Jul 20 00:15:53 good point Jul 20 00:22:47 hrm... make stage for speechd is complaining about not being able to find libdotconf Jul 20 00:31:41 apps don't have services Jul 20 00:47:14 hello. I've seen in several places that UK is supposed to be OTA update compatible. What exactly happens, though? Will my kernel revert to 1.4.5 stock until an official 1.4.5 UK is released (based on stock source code from Palm)? Jul 20 00:49:14 unclben, yes Jul 20 00:49:33 that is my understanding, that it will be replaced with a 'dummy' package just like the patches Jul 20 00:49:56 yep Jul 20 00:50:17 you can get a temporary 1.4.1 kernel repackaged for 1.4.5 in the kernel testing feed Jul 20 00:51:37 Cool, cryptk. That's what I was hoping for. I had been waiting to install UK until after 1.4.5 drops but DANG is that taking forever. I'm too impatient! thanks a million times to the webos-internals crew. between y'all and jason robitaille, my pre is twice as enjoyable (at least!) as it would have been un-homebrewed. Jul 20 00:52:29 also, good morning rwhitby. :) Jul 20 00:59:12 Im having a hard time to install the preware, its saying error 1 Jul 20 00:59:34 shindso, how are you trying to isntall it? Jul 20 01:00:24 by using webos install v3:.1 Jul 20 01:03:11 I have to join Jul 20 01:03:23 heh fun how preware exits before you can tap OK after it updates itself. Jul 20 01:04:05 to be able to install webosQuickInstall Jul 20 01:04:44 what u mean by exiting Jul 20 01:04:46 are you following the isntructions on install.preware.org? Jul 20 01:05:10 shindso, he is talking about when you install an update to preware, it automatically exits preware afterwards so you can re-launch it with the new version Jul 20 01:05:12 shindso: check your WOSQI version using http://install.preware.org/ instructions Jul 20 01:05:58 Im using this one: http://preware.org/#/install/ Jul 20 01:06:23 I think I did a no-no. I updated Save/Restore in Preware while I was updating a Beta App. The Beta app never updated and in its App Catalog details page it says "download paused." I've read a thread saying to delete a database, did it but did not work. I also cleared my browser's cache but didn't help. And I just read that installing Emergency Migration Helper fixes this problem. I know that... Jul 20 01:06:25 ...this package was used after updating from 1.3.5, so that's why I'm asking here: What should I do? Jul 20 01:06:54 save/restore 0.9.11 first run hung at white screen. second attempt worked correctly. Jul 20 01:10:09 save/restore may need a dependancy on zip/unzip added Jul 20 01:12:12 Well I installed EMH and my phone is restarting now. I'll post updates for anyone that's interested. Jul 20 01:12:15 rwhitby, you there mate? Jul 20 01:12:45 gollyzila|comp: preware should have stopped you updating save/restore if an app catalog install was in progress Jul 20 01:13:01 Robi_: save restore *does* have a dependency on zip/unzip Jul 20 01:13:08 Mark_M: yes Jul 20 01:13:26 I updated save/restore first, then i updated the beta app. Jul 20 01:13:58 Robi_: Save/restore did the same thing on my phone. Jul 20 01:14:02 rwhitby: then i'm wondering why it'd getting errors trying to run zip -q while saving Jul 20 01:14:14 rwhitby, presenting HB to CO Mobile Monday after Dion. you want me to cover anything special. Jul 20 01:14:21 Robi_: a bug introduced in 0.9.11 Jul 20 01:14:40 Mark_M: points to highlight: Jul 20 01:15:09 1) Open Standard homebrew infrastructure, compatible with Palm packaging standards but extending them for advanced homebrew Jul 20 01:15:19 ok, i'll wait for the next update Jul 20 01:16:00 gollyzila|comp: is the beta app something save/restore supports? Jul 20 01:16:11 2) Preware and WebOS Internals package feeds for homebrew applications, patches, themes, kernels. Jul 20 01:16:47 Robi_: Let me check. The app was Geocaching for webOS BETA Jul 20 01:16:53 3) WebOS Internals does not cross the bright line of app catalog security, that's why you need a computer and USB and dev mode to install it. Jul 20 01:17:33 gollyzila|comp: if it does, run save/restore again, if it doens't, nothing left to do Jul 20 01:18:12 4) WebOS Internals is a global development team, using open source development processes. Jul 20 01:18:20 Robi_: Save/restore does not support that application Jul 20 01:18:44 Robi_: Save/restore worked after the second time I opened it. Jul 20 01:18:47 Mark_M: do you want some quick pictures? Jul 20 01:18:55 rwhitby, excellent. Jul 20 01:19:31 Mark_M: I have some pictures from the talk that Palm did recently at another conference. I'll forward you the PPT if you like so you can cut and paste pictures. Jul 20 01:20:01 rwhitby, a couple quick pics would be great Jul 20 01:20:21 gollyzila|comp: ok Jul 20 01:20:27 Mark_M: to the email address you contacted me from? Jul 20 01:20:45 Mark_M: 7.3MB ? Jul 20 01:21:43 rwhitby tat will work Jul 20 01:22:29 rwhitby that's what tethering is for Jul 20 01:23:40 4g tower up in boston. Jul 20 01:23:47 Mark_M: look at pages 25 onwards, and copy the pictures only - remove any background/template branding please (just paste pictures or text into your presentation) Jul 20 01:23:49 ...waitin for the unlimited plans to unroll Jul 20 01:23:54 towers in boston have been there for a while Jul 20 01:24:10 a few an Andover as well Jul 20 01:24:25 i catch them all the time driving through... 4G is fast Jul 20 01:24:33 rwhitby, thx will do, pix only Jul 20 01:24:55 Mark_M: slides 29 to 35 are appropriate Jul 20 01:25:25 uNiXpSyChO: sprint? Jul 20 01:25:27 rwhitby, thanks for narrowing it down Jul 20 01:25:42 sending now Jul 20 01:25:43 yeah. Sprint Jul 20 01:26:14 im not feeling like paying extra 10 bucks for 4g Jul 20 01:26:15 Mark_M: can you send me your current presentation? Jul 20 01:26:47 odd. i dont think i'm paying for it and it worked. now i gotta look at my bill. Jul 20 01:27:27 Mark_M: it's left my computer. should be on the way to you now. Jul 20 01:28:00 rwhitby, doing it on the fly bcause Dion just asked. it was not confirmed til a few min ago. Jul 20 01:28:35 rwhitby, I plan on mostly talking Jul 20 01:29:38 r they recording this? will it be available for download later? the whole conference? Jul 20 01:30:49 must still be flowing cross the pond Jul 20 01:31:40 Mark_M: those slides are good for just talking to Jul 20 01:32:02 just pictures, no text. Jul 20 01:32:42 rwhitby, got it. I'll copy n paste pics only Jul 20 01:33:44 Mark_M: http://www.webosroundup.com/2009/11/interview-with-webos-internals-rod-whitby/ and http://www.webosroundup.com/2009/12/preware-now-and-later-an-interview-with-webos-internals-founder-rod-whitby/ have more information on the background of Preware and WebOS Internals too Jul 20 01:34:31 rwhitby, the services that can be integrated with homebrew apps, what languages can those be in... and what language is the save/restore service in? Jul 20 01:35:37 rwhitby, excellent. got email no attachment. I can get 20 MB atts Jul 20 01:36:11 Mark_M: also http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/exhibitor/webos-internals.html for blurb Jul 20 01:36:35 and hopefully we will be @ SCALE9X :D Jul 20 01:36:59 rwhitby, wow so much data Jul 20 01:38:32 Mark_M: resending just the pages in question Jul 20 01:38:54 cryptk: any language which compiles down to ARM code Jul 20 01:39:02 cryptk: Save/Restore uses C for the service. Jul 20 01:39:08 rwhitby, good thanks for the effort Jul 20 01:41:14 rwhitby, the reason why I am asking is because it looks like there is either going to need to be a separate dropbox service, or some additions to the save/restore service to enable cloud storage Jul 20 01:41:34 Mark_M: second email sent Jul 20 01:42:20 rwhitby downloading now Jul 20 01:42:32 Mark_M: for credit, these slides were created and presented by Matt Tippet for ELC2010 (Embedded Linux Conference) Jul 20 01:42:51 hehe Jul 20 01:42:53 Jul 20 01:42:53 Just mentioned "the great homebrew community that can do whatever they want because we allow them". #worlive Jul 20 01:42:57 ;] Jul 20 01:42:58 Mark_M: and we have permission from him to reuse them for this purpose Jul 20 01:43:33 rwhitby, okay will do. you are swamping me :) Jul 20 01:45:01 rwhitby, got em all Jul 20 01:45:25 hey im new on this palm pre community. Jul 20 01:45:40 what should i do first to my cell ? Jul 20 01:45:54 http://install.preware.org Jul 20 01:46:15 rwhitby, I can't thank you enough. I'll let you know how it goes. Jul 20 01:46:28 what should i install ? Jul 20 01:46:49 CNP: http://install.preware.org Jul 20 01:46:51 will it work on my palm pre 1.4.5? Jul 20 01:47:22 too bad dropboxd isn't open source... then I could jsut cros compile it Jul 20 01:47:43 \n Jul 20 01:48:04 t\n Jul 20 01:48:04 CNP: eys Jul 20 01:48:17 s/eys/yes/ Jul 20 01:48:17 rwhitby meant: CNP: yes Jul 20 01:49:03 thanks, and is there a cracked apps that are free to get instead of going to app catalog? Jul 20 01:49:05 Mark_M: have fun with it - the Palm guys love homebrew and WebOS Internals, so what you are saying will be well recieved. Jul 20 01:49:18 CNP: please read the channel topic. Jul 20 01:50:05 there is no talk of copyright infringement allowed in this channel. homebrew apps are available legally in Preware. Jul 20 01:50:16 alright thanks Jul 20 01:50:27 WOI.. the greatest homebrew community in the world Jul 20 01:50:53 rwhitby, agreed. hb is vital to the WebOS ecosystem Jul 20 01:51:04 * Tman wants to make a sweet video :> Jul 20 01:51:53 make sure to show a shot of install.preware.com Jul 20 01:51:59 Mark_M: quite the opposite from if you did this talk at Apple's WWDC ;) Jul 20 01:52:14 or .org Jul 20 01:52:22 .org Jul 20 01:52:48 i really like the layout, just wish it'd magically install preware on your device by entering your phone number :P Jul 20 01:52:57 ;] Jul 20 01:53:00 rwhitby, totally agreed which was the discussion earlier Jul 20 01:53:07 wait.. it is open source!!! Jul 20 01:53:16 now if my damn make stage would jsut finish Jul 20 01:53:43 we might have dropboxd command line on the pre... that would let us do the cloud storage for saverestore through a script Jul 20 01:53:56 -j ftw Jul 20 01:54:18 then if we could get a preference added to save/restore for a post save script... Jul 20 01:54:43 then we could have a script for dropbox.. one for zumo... and whatever other cloud storage solutions people write scripts for Jul 20 01:57:01 cryptk: great idea.. i'd be interested in wuala Jul 20 02:00:19 cryptk: yep, that's exactly what I was thinking Jul 20 02:00:45 yep, that is how I wanted to do it from the start, separate scripts for each service Jul 20 02:01:01 rwhitby, is there functionality in preware for optional dependencies? Jul 20 02:01:33 it would be nice after we got this done if installing save/restore would prompt you that dropbox is an optional dependency Jul 20 02:02:26 perhaps it can be done with patches Jul 20 02:02:32 cryptk: I expect we'd have a set of srf.bkp.{dropbox,zumodrive,usb} scripts, and a preference screen where you can select which ones to run at the end of each backup. would also have a wifi-only switch there too Jul 20 02:02:55 oo even better Jul 20 02:03:07 all scripts would ship, and just be enabled/disabled in prefs Jul 20 02:03:13 rwhitby, sounds great Jul 20 02:03:33 maybe have a tag line in the script to say what service (if any) needs to be installed for it to work Jul 20 02:03:54 so save/restore would only display that script in the prefrences if it's dependency was installed Jul 20 02:04:09 cryptk: I want to like supported app entries to preware install screens for that app. will do the same for archive scripts Jul 20 02:04:33 maybe even a tag line in each script for information that the script needs to work... Jul 20 02:05:17 rwhitby: like a link that leads to the preware->app install screen Jul 20 02:06:08 a line at the top that would have something like REQINFO=username,password,url then if that line is in the app saverestore will prompt you for that info if you select that script Jul 20 02:06:44 it could ship out of the box with a script to upload the archived data to an FTP server, then you can add on scripts for things like dropbox, zumo, etc Jul 20 02:07:40 drop.io would be a good one Jul 20 02:09:14 http://api.drop.io Jul 20 02:09:52 http://dev.drop.io/ Jul 20 02:11:52 rwhitby: is there documentation how you can associate your application to a filetype like you did with Preware and ipks? Can regular Mojo apps do it or must be a hybrid function? Jul 20 02:12:05 RAWR goes lions. And what about this ftp stuff... Jul 20 02:14:35 looks like the dropbox source has some gnome dependencies... we are gonna need to patch the source Jul 20 02:17:37 looks like it also depends on python... rwhitby my stage is still making so I can't check... does the WIDK have python? Jul 20 02:18:09 Kyusaku: it requires advanced homebrew to run some commands as root Jul 20 02:18:54 cryptk: yes, but that's gonna be a heavy-handed dependency for save/restore Jul 20 02:19:09 why so? Jul 20 02:19:21 and it wouldn't be for saverestore... it would be for dropbox Jul 20 02:19:46 I plan to get the dropbox binary working on the pre, then that can be used by scripts to push and pull anything to/from dropbox Jul 20 02:19:47 rwhitby: hmmm, ok. That goes the same for creating a filetype as well I imagine. Jul 20 02:20:54 had to move speechd and navit to nonworking... Jul 20 02:21:08 speechd didn't want to make stage and I am too busy to find out why, lol Jul 20 02:27:33 * rwhitby bbl Jul 20 02:35:58 I heard about this guy who broke into a lion's den at the zoo Jul 20 02:35:58 and got mauled Jul 20 02:35:58 and people were talking about how there should have been better defences put up to prevent people getting into the cage Jul 20 02:36:01 for example, putting some sort of fierce animal in the cage, which would attack anybody who climbed in Jul 20 02:36:04 a friend of mine suggested setting up some kind of deterrent Jul 20 02:36:18 bash Jul 20 02:38:35 should the make stage be done with sudo? Jul 20 02:38:45 I just got a whole mess of perm denieds Jul 20 02:41:39 ah crap. deleted preware means I have to set up the feeds again Jul 20 02:43:09 jhojho: i edited the wiki so its easier to copy/paste from the pre-browser right into preware Jul 20 02:43:27 ah nevermind. Jul 20 02:43:39 command line install includes the testing feeds. thanks to rwhitby Jul 20 02:43:59 oh nice, did not know that Jul 20 02:54:35 woot, I now have ssh both ways between the pre and the desktop Jul 20 02:56:07 okay Jul 20 02:56:18 it will be useful considering that I am going on travel tomrrow Jul 20 02:56:18 I'm looking for testers to help test some sysctl params Jul 20 02:56:24 who wants to help **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 20 02:59:56 2010