**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 02:59:56 2010 Jul 23 02:59:58 bofhs love anything that lusers like. Jul 23 03:00:18 DELETED Jul 23 03:00:20 lusers are BOFH's entertainment Jul 23 03:00:24 yup Jul 23 03:01:07 lets see…. any good videos on zune marketplace? Jul 23 03:02:54 wtf zune, wtf Jul 23 03:03:09 It wont let me switch the download from sd to hd Jul 23 03:06:38 zune FAIL Jul 23 03:07:40 oh, wait, its downloading in hd Jul 23 03:07:44 mah bad Jul 23 03:12:13 GoGo Torrents! Jul 23 03:32:24 I killed it Jul 23 03:59:32 anyone ever seen this? I am trying to pair my pre to my laptop but the laptop is only showing the pre's bluetooth MAC is is not pairing... Jul 23 04:00:18 I can see and pair with other devices though Jul 23 04:03:42 it doesn't like u Jul 23 04:04:40 I have paired it before... Jul 23 04:05:48 bbiab Jul 23 04:38:51 now this was odd... I was novatermed in... cd to /media/internal and my novaterm dropped out... Jul 23 04:39:02 then my phone rebooted and is showing the ROM screen... Jul 23 04:39:18 and I don't have a doc downloaded... and I am on slow hotel wifi... Jul 23 04:39:51 ow Jul 23 04:40:09 I am hoping that a doc fixes it and that it isn't some kind of hardware that just went Jul 23 04:40:31 u gonna doc with 1.4.5? Jul 23 04:40:43 I do have a doctor downloaded actually... on the windows side... but that OS is hardened and won't run the doctor correctly because of it Jul 23 04:40:57 mount it and cp the .jar over Jul 23 04:41:06 PGP encrypted disk Jul 23 04:41:12 lol Jul 23 04:41:34 can't a linux pgp still mount it? Jul 23 04:41:46 and the only USB storage I have is my phone (can't use that) and the compact flash card reader (which has the linux install on it so I can't put it on there Jul 23 04:41:55 can't find anything that can Jul 23 04:42:11 uh Jul 23 04:42:23 knock on doors ask for a usb drive ;] Jul 23 04:42:41 hehe, wish I knew someone around here with one Jul 23 04:42:49 I usually bring one with me, but I forgot it on this trip Jul 23 04:44:51 ouch Jul 23 04:45:19 enough ram in there to create a scratch ramdisk? Jul 23 04:45:22 run to target? Jul 23 04:45:46 cryptk: borrow USB stick from hotel business centre? Jul 23 04:46:05 burn a cd? Jul 23 04:46:19 write it down on paper? Jul 23 04:46:59 no blank CD's here... hotel doesn't have one Jul 23 04:47:07 get a bunch of hello kitty pres and crank them up to 600ghz and send out smoke signals? Jul 23 04:47:16 I could write down the source then type it all back in on the linux side... Jul 23 04:47:17 lol Jul 23 04:47:35 and slow hotel internet only has 31% downloaded so far Jul 23 04:47:42 ouch Jul 23 04:49:30 woot 35% Jul 23 04:49:37 53K, lol Jul 23 04:50:17 I used to have one on this linux install but I borked it up really bad earlier so I fixed it by just wiping out the casper partition Jul 23 04:50:27 (it is a persistent USB install) Jul 23 04:50:36 so I lost everything but the original OS Jul 23 04:50:49 but it brought the mint install back to stock, and fixed that issue, lol Jul 23 04:52:59 I wonder if this had anything to do with my bluetooth problems earlier Jul 23 04:54:28 * ka6sox brings cryptk a USB stick. Jul 23 04:54:29 he may not be in Egypt....but its hot enough and full of rocks and sand enough to be! Jul 23 04:54:30 (oh and from the right place you can see the end of the earth) Jul 23 04:55:01 I am at the end of the earth, lol Jul 23 04:55:10 yeah, USB sticks are hard to come by in death valley, lol Jul 23 04:57:45 cryptk, from where you are its <60miles to DV Jul 23 04:57:46 might take you 40days to get there though! Jul 23 04:58:01 where the hell is death valley? Jul 23 04:58:12 I should know this but I don't Jul 23 04:58:20 death valley is in California Jul 23 04:58:24 it is a desert Jul 23 04:58:28 I know Jul 23 04:58:33 I live in California Jul 23 05:00:24 southwestern california? Jul 23 05:00:43 halfhalo, head like you are going to Vega$ and turn left before you get there. Jul 23 05:01:21 yep Jul 23 05:01:29 I am not actually in DV, but close Jul 23 05:01:43 woohoo, I am over 60K/s now Jul 23 05:07:28 descriptive Jul 23 05:07:35 my logitech stuff needs to be here now Jul 23 05:14:51 75% done downloading Jul 23 05:15:00 I have never done a doctor in linux before... lol Jul 23 05:15:07 at 85% i bet it dies Jul 23 05:15:08 wait... yeah I have... meta-doc, lol Jul 23 05:15:13 don't say that Jul 23 05:15:27 I shoulda wget'd the file... then I could resume it... Jul 23 05:21:07 85 Jul 23 05:24:13 And…. CRASH Jul 23 05:24:55 nope Jul 23 05:24:57 92% Jul 23 05:26:48 99.9%....crash Jul 23 05:26:57 we can only hope Jul 23 05:27:03 I mean….. hope it doesnt Jul 23 05:27:14 buncha jerkholes... Jul 23 05:27:25 You rang? Jul 23 05:27:32 hah Jul 23 05:30:02 okay now to crank up my Pixi to 600THz. Jul 23 05:30:15 woot! Jul 23 05:30:15 THz, eh? Jul 23 05:30:35 its "glowing" Jul 23 05:30:44 and melting! Jul 23 05:32:55 halfhalo, what island are you going to? Jul 23 05:32:58 and on fire? Jul 23 05:33:02 Kauai Jul 23 05:33:18 Fire! Jul 23 05:33:37 * halfhalo grabs a lighter and some gas Jul 23 05:34:09 the doctor isn't picking up that the phone is connected to the laptop... Jul 23 05:34:20 restart both? Jul 23 05:46:42 so... the doctor won't detect the phone in linux and in windows it stops at 12% Jul 23 05:46:58 but it is a hardened OS so I don't know if it is because of that or because of the phone Jul 23 05:47:00 Even with the usb up boot mode thingie? Jul 23 05:48:08 yeah Jul 23 05:48:22 I have no clue why the doc doesn't detect it in linux Jul 23 05:48:25 it shows up in lsusb Jul 23 05:48:42 and I can novaterm into it Jul 23 05:48:58 Is this a vm? Jul 23 05:49:31 no Jul 23 05:49:44 it is a copy of Mint booting off a compact flash card Jul 23 05:50:06 hmmm Jul 23 05:52:52 I am doing it on a different system Jul 23 05:52:59 this one is windows XP and I have admin rights on it Jul 23 06:01:35 ok, doc is running on that other comp now Jul 23 06:01:42 lets see if it makes it past 12% Jul 23 06:01:54 cryptk: are you able to memboot the uImage from the doctor/ Jul 23 06:01:56 ? Jul 23 06:01:57 it is talking to the phone though.... the screen does change to the flashing logo Jul 23 06:02:03 I will try that next Jul 23 06:02:15 cryptk: are you watching the host log from the doctor where it tells you where it's up to? Jul 23 06:02:25 rwhitby: where does it log that to? Jul 23 06:02:35 on mac, it's to /var/log/system.log Jul 23 06:02:41 dunno about linux or windows Jul 23 06:02:46 whereever java would log to Jul 23 06:03:03 14% now Jul 23 06:03:08 looks like it may work on this system Jul 23 06:03:14 wonder if my tokens will be intact... Jul 23 06:03:56 so far so good Jul 23 06:05:02 32% Jul 23 06:05:21 I wonder if my linux install wasn't detecting the phone due to a lack of novacom Jul 23 06:05:32 does the doc install novacom on linux? I know it does on windows Jul 23 06:06:17 it should... Jul 23 06:09:43 stalling at 64% that is modem firmware Jul 23 06:10:01 Give it a few Jul 23 06:10:22 is the phone in dev mode? ;] Jul 23 06:11:41 it is being doctored, lol Jul 23 06:11:53 there is no dev mode during doctor Jul 23 06:11:58 there we go Jul 23 06:11:59 72% Jul 23 06:12:11 that's carrier apps Jul 23 06:12:24 cryptk: you can novaterm into a phone during doctor. Jul 23 06:12:35 yep Jul 23 06:12:45 but no need Jul 23 06:12:48 the doc is going fine Jul 23 06:13:08 just the laptop I am doc'ing it with is a slow panasonic toughbook so it is taking forever Jul 23 06:13:11 oh god Jul 23 06:13:14 82% that's verification Jul 23 06:13:14 made a new voicemail Jul 23 06:13:23 oldspicevoicemail.com Jul 23 06:15:50 phone rebooting, looks like it isn't dead after all Jul 23 06:15:55 nice Jul 23 06:15:59 rebooting the lappy back into linux, brb Jul 23 06:16:02 make your old spice voicmail Jul 23 06:18:30 morning Jul 23 06:19:54 restoring backed up data... Jul 23 06:34:36 now I get to wait forever while all my apps are restored Jul 23 06:34:43 yup Jul 23 06:50:19 rwhitby: is there any way to temporarially stop the re-downloading of all of my apps so that I can install uberkernel? Jul 23 06:50:34 cryptk: appcat? Jul 23 06:50:45 go into the app cat and click pause Jul 23 06:50:45 there's a pause all installs option in the menu Jul 23 06:51:00 cool Jul 23 06:51:10 I figure it should go faster with an overclock Jul 23 06:51:43 it's mainly limited by download speed and flash speed Jul 23 06:52:26 ahh Jul 23 06:52:46 well, my load average was at 6.8, lol Jul 23 06:55:27 oh god the noise! Jul 23 06:56:23 my computer re-enabled the "what you hear" mic Jul 23 06:56:30 heh Jul 23 06:56:52 And its set to route sound through the main speakers.... Jul 23 06:56:54 infinite loop Jul 23 06:57:56 But I need mah oldspice ringtone! Jul 23 06:58:29 Hey. So I am confused as to how to get preware on my phone. Jul 23 06:58:48 AmberJ_: http://install.preware.org/ Jul 23 06:59:30 wow, that's way easier. thank you. :] Jul 23 07:03:21 of course it still won't pair with my laptop... Jul 23 07:08:15 rwhitby: are the cheater ways to add in the testing feeds documented anywhere? Jul 23 07:08:58 cryptk: yes Jul 23 07:09:37 before you install preware, touch /var/preferences/org.webosinternals.preware/enable-testing-feeds Jul 23 07:11:53 folks Jul 23 07:12:12 overclock kernels drain my battery like crazy but I love it :) Jul 23 07:12:16 rwhitby: thanks Jul 23 07:12:31 I can not understand how to open webos quick install.anyone know how? Jul 23 07:12:46 you download it and then double click it Jul 23 07:12:51 you need to have java installed Jul 23 07:12:52 I downloaded it and everytime I try to open it it keeps on going back and fourth between different screens. Jul 23 07:13:00 I just installed java. Jul 23 07:13:35 and restarted the browser or whatever. Jul 23 07:14:55 when you double click on quick install what exactly happens? Jul 23 07:15:11 ls Jul 23 07:16:10 It goes back to a page that has different like.. folders that say "ca" "com" "meta-inf" "net" and "org". Jul 23 07:16:43 and then I click the one that says ".." to get to the quick install,and click it again, and it goes back to that page again. Jul 23 07:17:26 right click on the quick install jar Jul 23 07:17:32 is there an option to run it with java? Jul 23 07:17:44 I'm sorry I'm so computer illiterate. My boyfriend was supposed to help me do this but he fell asleep. haha. Jul 23 07:17:49 hold on, let me see. Jul 23 07:17:51 haha Jul 23 07:18:25 a boyfriend that fails to complete Preware installation. I'd look for another ... Jul 23 07:18:26 No, there's nothing about running it.. Jul 23 07:18:30 hahaha. Jul 23 07:18:35 you don't have java installed Jul 23 07:18:46 are you on windows? Jul 23 07:18:56 He did it last time for me but, I had to get a new phone and he's been putting it off. Yes, I am on windows. Jul 23 07:19:13 I downloaded java but then it said it may not have downloaded right so I'm doing it again... Jul 23 07:19:15 fml Jul 23 07:19:23 oh god this is win……. Jul 23 07:19:43 http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=40946 Jul 23 07:19:49 download that and install it Jul 23 07:19:57 that is the java runtime environment Jul 23 07:19:59 oldspicevoicemail is win Jul 23 07:20:05 after you install that you can run quick install Jul 23 07:20:56 Okay, cool. Well. I'll let you know. haha. Thank you for everything. Jul 23 07:21:01 np Jul 23 07:25:58 Cryptk, can you send me that link again. My internet force closed. Tonight is just not my night. Jul 23 07:26:25 http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=40946 Jul 23 07:26:37 thaaanks. :] Jul 23 07:26:55 I had beat ya to that one rwhitby, lol Jul 23 07:30:35 Okay so what do I do if that download keeps failing... Jul 23 07:30:45 i'm so sorry. This is such a pain in the ass. Jul 23 07:31:37 AmberJ_: another option: http://get.preware.org/PrewareInstaller-1.1.0.exe Jul 23 07:33:04 Okay, this looks better. How do I now get "novacom" cause it says i cant do that till novacom is running or something. Jul 23 07:37:21 I just got a weird message... my phone told me I had to restart because I was no longer signed into my palm profile Jul 23 07:41:58 cryptk: uh, oh Jul 23 07:42:32 cryptk: lots of people have been getting that Jul 23 07:42:47 long thread and article on precentral Jul 23 07:43:02 first time for me... I hadn't even heard of it yet, but I have been disconnected the past few days Jul 23 07:43:17 of course people blamed preware first, then realised that people who had never used homebrew were getting it too Jul 23 07:45:15 * rwhitby bbl Jul 23 07:46:24 great, so I just doctored... got half through getting my device set back up and now I get to start over, lol Jul 23 07:52:02 ouch. why did you have to doctor it? Jul 23 07:52:21 it died randomly and gave me the ROM screen Jul 23 07:52:29 I was poking around in it at the time Jul 23 07:52:55 and now after the profile disconnect preware doesn't list the kernel I had installed and the ERU isn't fixing it Jul 23 07:53:57 isn't there only 4 kernals or so? Jul 23 07:54:15 testing kernel feeds Jul 23 07:54:17 there are many Jul 23 07:54:55 how do you get that feed? and can't those brick the phone? Jul 23 07:55:27 they can't brick but they can burn out your phone Jul 23 07:55:32 yep Jul 23 07:55:49 you can burn up parts but it is pretty much impossible to "brick" a palm pre Jul 23 07:55:54 what do you mean by burn it out? Jul 23 07:56:00 h Jul 23 07:56:10 eat applied to the circuit board makes it melty Jul 23 07:56:22 overclocking makes more heat Jul 23 07:56:35 I thought "bricking" meant destroying. Jul 23 07:56:37 running the parts faster than designed causes extra heat Jul 23 07:56:39 melty circuit board makes the pre go byebye Jul 23 07:56:51 bricking means putting a device into a state where it can't boot Jul 23 07:57:00 so the physical hardware is fine, you just can't do anything with it Jul 23 07:57:06 I overclock mine to 800 Jul 23 07:57:13 jolly good Jul 23 07:57:49 mine runs at 1005 Jul 23 07:57:51 try not to leave it sat in the sunlight Jul 23 07:58:11 can you still use a pre if you don't have a carrier? Jul 23 07:58:26 yes Jul 23 07:58:59 cryptk, did you peel off the tape on the heatsync? Jul 23 07:59:06 no Jul 23 07:59:14 I did. Jul 23 07:59:19 why? Jul 23 08:00:03 because it didn't make since. why would there be tape on it in the first place?? Jul 23 08:00:28 to stop the back of the phone scraping on the cpu die Jul 23 08:00:39 causing short circuits, phone damage, etc Jul 23 08:00:40 are you using the F105 kernal? Jul 23 08:00:47 me? Jul 23 08:00:54 no, I use warthog Jul 23 08:01:24 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SBromwichKernel is what I usually use Jul 23 08:01:31 hehe Jul 23 08:02:57 oh, what is "phone radio"? Jul 23 08:03:15 that would be the radio that your phone uses Jul 23 08:03:20 to make phone calls Jul 23 08:03:26 wirelessly Jul 23 08:03:30 like a radio Jul 23 08:03:34 lol Jul 23 08:03:36 heh Jul 23 08:03:47 tell me how i can use my radio to make phonecalls then Jul 23 08:04:02 so a toggle for that would just be airplane mode? Jul 23 08:04:19 airplane mode does turn that off yes Jul 23 08:04:22 and bluetooth Jul 23 08:04:23 airplane mode turns off all wireless stuff Jul 23 08:04:24 and wifi Jul 23 08:04:41 it doesn't turn off wifi Jul 23 08:05:38 mine does Jul 23 08:05:48 you can go back and turn it back on after you put airplane mode on though Jul 23 08:05:55 mine doesn't. I tried it yesterday. Jul 23 08:05:55 airplane mode turns off all of the radios Jul 23 08:07:00 well. I want a patch to toggle the internet usage on and off. but still be able to get txts and calls. Jul 23 08:07:04 you can explicitly re-enable wifi in airplane mode, but you have to go pressing buttons Jul 23 08:07:33 basically jut disable 3G and 1X Jul 23 08:07:34 Ki11er: there are patches that do that already Jul 23 08:07:37 yeah Jul 23 08:07:44 look at the top menu patches Jul 23 08:07:47 3G,2G,none Jul 23 08:07:53 they edit the top right system menu Jul 23 08:09:04 that's where I found the phone radio patch...thats why I was asking. Jul 23 08:11:21 I'm looking at the screenshot of the patch and there's a button that says "turn off phone". do you know what that means? Jul 23 08:11:48 it turns off the phone radio would be my guess Jul 23 08:12:18 I'll try it. Jul 23 08:12:49 it's installing. I'll let you know what it does. Jul 23 08:14:05 Phone/phone radio = calls/texts, data usage = internet access. Jul 23 08:14:58 why would there even be a patch for it then when you could just put it in airplane mode? Jul 23 08:15:23 sorry, ignore that Jul 23 08:17:05 If you just want the data usage there is a 'Data in Device Menu' patch Jul 23 08:17:27 Or just get the megamix patch that puts controls for almost everything in there... Jul 23 08:17:37 soooo...to do what I want to do I just turn off data in the dialer menu? would I still be able to access internet through wifi? Jul 23 08:17:58 Yes Jul 23 08:18:37 You need a data usage toggle Jul 23 08:19:14 there's a toggle built into the dialer preference menu Jul 23 08:23:34 palsch, there's a toggle built into the dialer prefference menu. I'm getting a device menu megamix like you suggested because it'll be much faster to access. Jul 23 08:24:23 They all do the same thing, so same as before Jul 23 08:51:53 @seen Jul 23 08:59:53 hi all Jul 23 09:00:49 I'm trying to install a package with preware and it fails, but the ipkg log doesn't tell me much Jul 23 09:01:03 it is any way to make it more verbose Jul 23 09:01:11 even to enable debuging? Jul 23 09:02:07 hi Jul 23 09:02:14 bal00: what is it saying? Jul 23 09:02:28 bal00: email it to yourself and then paste it on webos.pastebin.com Jul 23 09:02:39 ok, just a sec Jul 23 09:07:33 ok, I just pasted it there, how do I get a link for you to see it?? Jul 23 09:08:36 http://webos.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SUZPJagL Jul 23 09:08:47 I guess that is it Jul 23 09:18:05 rwhitby: how can I make preware to give me more info about the error?? Jul 23 09:19:49 bal00: most likely is you don't have the webos-internals feeds enabled Jul 23 09:20:09 oil: ^^ need that error on missing dependencies :) Jul 23 09:20:18 yeah Jul 23 09:20:25 maybe ill stop adding new features and fix bugs xD Jul 23 09:20:29 it is a package I installed from the phone using the new install package feature Jul 23 09:20:32 nah Jul 23 09:20:52 when you're on a creative roll don't mess with it **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 15:16:14 2010 Jul 23 16:13:07 anyone know how i can submit to webos-internals preware feed Jul 23 16:15:55 what would you like to submit? Jul 23 16:16:56 I'll have three large fries and a diet coke please! Jul 23 16:17:13 that'd be $10 sir Jul 23 16:17:39 * halfhalo_class hands swisstomcat 10 dollars Jul 23 16:18:09 * swisstomcat hands halfhalo_class three large fries and a diet coke Jul 23 16:18:50 * halfhalo_class swaps those for 15 dollars from his coworkers Jul 23 16:20:38 +swisstomcat just an app but it has service dependencies and you can't do that with PreCentral Jul 23 16:21:58 i see Jul 23 16:22:18 is it open-source? Jul 23 16:22:33 +swisstomcat yep under MIT license Jul 23 16:22:48 ... Why is the new Royal Pains Ep not on all those entirely legal video download sites yetso I can buy it.... Jul 23 16:23:08 webos-internals should be able to host your app on their git repository and publish to the feeds Jul 23 16:23:32 +swisstomcat so i just need to upload to the git? Jul 23 16:23:49 i'm not really sure how the process works Jul 23 16:24:02 have you talked with rwhitby? Jul 23 16:24:51 +swisstomcat nope i'll do that thanks Jul 23 16:25:13 what is the app? Jul 23 16:27:24 what's the app btw? Jul 23 16:28:32 wheres my apple pie? Jul 23 16:28:49 oh, wait... Jul 23 16:30:10 Hmmm Jul 23 16:30:13 Sinatra.... Jul 23 16:30:48 Not sure if I really like it yet, but its doing what its supposed to... namely let me play with grit Jul 23 16:31:15 +swisstomcat its called profiles and is basically htc scenes for webOS Jul 23 16:31:35 with custom service? Jul 23 16:32:10 +egaudet nope filemgr service Jul 23 16:33:14 so all you need is a Depends line in your control file in the ipk Jul 23 16:33:26 and it should work from precentral feed fine Jul 23 16:33:49 +egaudet how do i do this? Jul 23 16:34:02 ipkg-tools Jul 23 16:35:39 basically just need to package it "manually" rather than use palm-package. But if you want a git for it and have the autobuilder building it talk to rwhitby when he's up Jul 23 16:36:13 +egaudet k ill try that thanks Jul 23 16:37:04 what feed is internalz in? Jul 23 16:38:18 +egaudet precentral and I cant find ipkg-tools on webos-internals? i googled and found something with the ipkg-tools name on a PASTA site which has something to do with DARPA? Jul 23 16:39:19 build.git Jul 23 16:42:59 +egaudet whats build.git mean? Jul 23 16:43:48 git.webos-internals.org build.git is the build repository which contains ipkg tools in toolchain/ I think Jul 23 16:44:04 also you may want to see if Jason's ipkg creator tool has dependency support? Jul 23 16:44:48 which it looks like it does Jul 23 16:45:02 so yeah just use IPK packager and put it in precentral feed Jul 23 16:45:12 if you want Jul 23 16:45:33 I installed the terminal on my Pre but I don't figure out what I have to press to get the non-obvious keys working. Jul 23 16:46:05 +egaudet thanks i'll do that thanks for all you help :) Jul 23 16:46:40 np Jul 23 16:47:11 Txt_file, app menu -> non obvious keys Jul 23 16:49:24 I figured that out. but I don't know that is meant with gesture. Jul 23 16:50:06 the gesture area Jul 23 16:50:16 left/right of center Jul 23 16:50:20 center led lights up when touched Jul 23 16:50:57 app does not minimize when touched (for pre+/pixi+ users who don't have actuall button in center this sometimes confusing) Jul 23 16:52:19 I found that help page but I don't know that is meant with gesture. Jul 23 16:52:35 egaudet, THANK YOU Jul 23 16:52:41 yes that was confusing Jul 23 16:54:03 very inconvenient to try and copy/paste things with the app shrinking away from you Jul 23 16:54:17 OK ... found it out by myself Jul 23 17:00:06 I see the 1.4.5 opensource patches are up - anything good other than the kernel patches? I don't see any version changes at all Jul 23 17:00:43 The unicorns! Jul 23 17:03:15 time to push all my work into git and be done for the week at work Jul 23 17:37:57 there is something very weird going on with my phone Jul 23 17:38:46 it's getting location fixes way too fast and now I'm getting them inside my apartment building Jul 23 17:40:21 I have a verizon pre and never installed any gps hacks Jul 23 17:40:39 so I should *only* be getting tru gps, and I know I'm not anymore Jul 23 17:43:13 who did the packaging for navit? Jul 23 17:48:54 hape,noradtux? Jul 23 17:50:25 I don't use wifi positioning either and this started after I installed navit Jul 23 17:53:53 Quick question, what type of filesystem format does the pre/pixi use? Jul 23 17:58:03 swisstomcat: hi Jul 23 17:58:12 hi noradtux Jul 23 17:58:21 projectAlarum: ext3 for the system, vfat for the "usb-drive" Jul 23 17:59:10 noradtux: Thank you. Jul 23 18:01:15 * oilsworkn was going to say that but wasn't sure and didn't want to give bad info :/ Jul 23 18:01:50 RagingMind: we don't do anything special inside navit, it just uses the official API for positioning Jul 23 18:02:06 k... Jul 23 18:03:05 well I either inadvertently installed something that included a patch or verizion suddenly and secretly decided to allow more than just GPS Jul 23 18:03:32 or your gps-chip doesn't shut down anymore ;) Jul 23 18:03:58 I'm inside a very thick building Jul 23 18:04:19