**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 28 02:59:56 2010 Jul 28 05:29:54 Dual OS smart phone!Android 2.0 and Windows Mobile 6.5! http://is.gd/dNQA7 Jul 28 05:30:00 heh dual boot Jul 28 05:30:14 Marvell PXA310 624MHz/XScale-V3 based Jul 28 06:18:13 android. meh. Jul 28 06:18:19 windows mobile. meh. Jul 28 06:27:09 morning Jul 28 06:28:42 Why would you want to use winmo 6.5 over android? Jul 28 06:50:13 chrisa: enterprise apps that can't be ported Jul 28 06:50:37 Oh, oh, oh, like oldness? Jul 28 06:51:17 i have android recent kernel envy Jul 28 06:52:27 i sure hope the next webos update uses a more recent kernel Jul 28 06:55:43 What are they using in current releases? Jul 28 06:58:18 chrisa: no change from 1.4.1 to 1.4.5 Jul 28 06:59:33 I know what we're on, 'they' was android Jul 28 07:00:44 oh, sorry :) Jul 28 07:01:50 what kernel does froyo use? Jul 28 07:05:25 Looks like they're on .32 Jul 28 07:30:14 o/` o/` shot through the heart and you're to blame, you give looovveee a bad naamee o/` o/` Jul 28 07:36:16 yeah they are on .32 and the next release is .33/.34 based Jul 28 07:37:06 missing out on good stuff between .24 and .3(2-4) Jul 28 08:01:00 chrisa: you guys getting newer kernels? Jul 28 08:01:12 still keeping the same codebase between msm and omap though? Jul 28 08:02:04 rwhitby: you can run alot of that stuff under mono, someday wine might even get ported for the wince win32 api Jul 28 08:05:04 I can't comment on code/releases Jul 28 08:06:27 oh, well than I guess you haven't released them yet I've just been out of touch Jul 28 08:06:31 I guess that's what I meant Jul 28 08:10:14 i'm not asking palm to comment publicly on unreleased stuff Jul 28 08:10:40 just sharing my thoughts on this channel. and if there are palm employees that happen to take note, so be it =) Jul 28 08:11:02 i also much prefer omap vs msm .... Jul 28 08:12:51 although i would appreciate any pointers to getting /sys/devices/platform/msm_power_debug/ to dump the PLLs Jul 28 08:13:23 makes no sense to me to have to have an additional magic handshake just to get things to show up Jul 28 08:14:21 jhojho: maye we can hlpe in #htc-linux Jul 28 08:14:24 tomorrow Jul 28 08:14:30 I'm going to bed now Jul 28 08:14:54 sure Jul 28 08:15:11 although that particular sysfs comes from palm Jul 28 08:15:38 well we have the addresses if that helps, what kernel version are you using? Jul 28 08:15:53 like on the opensource site, since there's apparently been a webOS release since I last checked Jul 28 08:17:19 tmzt: 1.4.5 is there now Jul 28 08:17:56 2.6.24? Jul 28 08:18:05 same as 1.4.1 for kernel Jul 28 08:18:08 ok Jul 28 08:18:29 I'll see what that debug thing is tomorrow Jul 28 08:18:42 it could be useful, I don't think quic has anything like that Jul 28 08:19:06 they were nice enough to fix the mddi irq issues finally, it's only been two years we've been dealing with that Jul 28 10:46:05 rehi Jul 28 13:41:35 hm. Anyone recognize me and my half-dead palm (modem more or less inaccessible) ? Jul 28 13:46:23 yeah Jul 28 13:46:34 is it feeling better? Jul 28 13:46:50 not really Jul 28 13:47:14 but when i yell "ATI" into /dev/ttyACM0, it answers with manufacturer, version and IMEI Jul 28 13:47:19 time to return it to O2 Jul 28 13:47:39 *sigh* i think so to.. Jul 28 13:47:51 don't want to be preless for 2 weeks or so .( Jul 28 13:48:05 i have a spare one :) Jul 28 13:48:14 lol Jul 28 13:48:25 i doubt my wife will hand over me hers ;) Jul 28 13:50:10 i have a spare one that i could send Jul 28 13:50:21 depends on shipping (CH->D) Jul 28 13:50:31 hm Jul 28 13:50:52 thanks for the offer Jul 28 14:28:45 how do i download the intaller Jul 28 14:34:08 which one? Jul 28 14:35:57 ohh i think i got it.. but thx Jul 28 14:36:23 looking for a homebre app for aduio recording on a pre Jul 28 14:36:50 yeah, there's one Jul 28 14:43:13 zcorder;d Jul 28 14:44:26 yeah, that's the one Jul 28 15:29:03 Does anyone know if there is a way to get the app catalog to refresh with the palm profile without performing an erase? Jul 28 16:00:18 hello all! is there a text to speech system in webos? Jul 28 16:00:28 no Jul 28 16:17:14 hey, after the latest official govnah/uberkernel combination my palm does not clock down to 250MHz after about 1 day of normal on ( 720Mhz ), off ( 250Mhz) and touchstone (500Mhz) usage. it then only switches between 500 and 720, any ideas? Jul 28 16:19:32 bsm: not an idea, but i had the same feeling Jul 28 16:56:02 did anyone tried to change mac address on their pre? Jul 28 17:31:44 en0x: dare I ask why? Jul 28 17:32:11 to spoof someones else mac so i can connect to wifi? :> Jul 28 17:34:22 How noble Jul 28 17:34:38 [; Jul 28 17:35:02 no but really i have an issue Jul 28 17:35:23 we have wpa network and when i eneter my login and password i connect to the network but then I get IP association failed Jul 28 17:35:36 but when I go one floor up and i try to connect to the same network it works fine Jul 28 17:37:03 and i wonder if this is something with my phone or the APs Jul 28 17:55:43 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2579329 Jul 28 17:55:50 done spamming. Jul 28 17:56:25 why r u selling it? Jul 28 17:56:37 new job, had to buy the phone outright :( Jul 28 17:56:56 new contract, etc. Jul 28 17:56:58 where u work now? Jul 28 17:57:01 Your job requires you purchase a device and doesn't comp it? Jul 28 17:57:02 Weird Jul 28 17:57:06 if i may know Jul 28 17:57:35 chrisa: it's my last job, they didn't reimburse me. I'm asking for a new one here, and need the money from this phone for the new one :P Jul 28 17:57:51 they give blackberry's here (no thanks) Jul 28 17:58:12 en0x: TriCore Solutions, Boston Jul 28 17:58:18 Oracle stuff Jul 28 17:58:26 i c Jul 28 17:59:35 going to MIT next month for my HAM license, w00t Jul 28 17:59:39 ultimate geek status Jul 28 17:59:55 especially where i'm going to get it, lol Jul 28 18:00:59 so after this u won't be able to talk to anybody about chicks Jul 28 18:00:59 :S Jul 28 18:03:03 oh berklee website sucks Jul 28 18:03:06 i get timeouts Jul 28 18:03:07 :S Jul 28 18:05:20 nebula: nice :) Jul 28 18:10:20 en0x: chicks? Jul 28 18:10:24 they love nerds Jul 28 18:10:32 hehe Jul 28 18:10:38 in the 80s i guess Jul 28 18:10:42 doh Jul 28 18:25:48 I voted for webOS :) http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/07/28/what-smartphone-os-update/ Jul 28 18:28:19 good for u Jul 28 18:29:43 same here, i look forward to it... hopefully there's more than just _basic_ updates Jul 28 18:30:23 the webos 2.0 will do bjs Jul 28 18:30:27 [; Jul 28 18:31:15 evening Jul 28 19:43:25 I'm not sure why, but I've submitted an app to the Precentral feed about a day ago and it doesn't show up in Preware with the precentral feed on. it shows up in WOQI though, any ideas on the problem? other users have also reported problems and not seeing Jul 28 19:43:25 it in Preware. so any ideas? Jul 28 19:44:21 you're making sure you update the feeds and whatnot ? Jul 28 19:44:37 did precentral change their feed url? Jul 28 19:45:26 I don't think so and yep updating every try. since I can see other PC apps Jul 28 19:46:12 bpadalino like internalz but filemgr isn't showing up Jul 28 19:46:28 interesting Jul 28 19:47:56 bpadalino yep do you see filemgr or profiles? Jul 28 19:48:32 i don't have the precentral feed enabled .. and i am at work - sorry :( Jul 28 19:49:46 bpadalino okay no prob Jul 28 20:00:47 hey Jul 28 20:11:38 does anyone here know much about bell mobility internals? Jul 28 21:24:14 my app was submitted to Precentral feed, shows up in WoQI but not Preware, I've noticed that filemgr doesn't show up either in Preware. all my feeds including PC are up to date anyone have ideas on what the problem might be? other users are reporting not Jul 28 21:24:14 seeing too Jul 28 21:48:49 my app was submitted to Precentral feed, shows up in WoQI but not Preware, I've noticed that filemgr doesn't show up either in Preware. all my feeds including PC are up to date anyone have ideas on what the problem might be? other users are reporti Jul 28 21:48:49 ng not Jul 28 21:49:03 seeing too Jul 28 22:21:10 is there an advantage to running the uberkernel if you're not changing clock speeds? Jul 28 22:27:41 yes Jul 28 22:27:54 if you run it at stock speeds, it will use less power Jul 28 22:28:04 jhojho has tweaked the voltages to give some battery savings Jul 28 22:28:24 that's why it's über ;) Jul 28 22:28:25 granted it isn't going to add an extra 4 hours to your phone or anything, but it should save a little bit Jul 28 22:28:42 wait, uberkernel... I thought you were asking about warthog Jul 28 22:28:43 sorry Jul 28 22:28:51 not sure if uber has tweaked voltages Jul 28 22:28:55 * cryptk just woke up Jul 28 22:30:45 cryptk is there anyway to play doom in portrait? Jul 28 22:31:35 not that I know of Jul 28 22:31:52 damn Jul 28 22:32:04 you could recompile it and change the source up to convert it to portrait, but then the screen controls would be pointless Jul 28 22:32:15 yea i don't use screen controls Jul 28 22:32:19 its akward holding it sideways Jul 28 22:32:36 ill setup sb2 tomorrow Jul 28 22:36:58 i've been away from webos for a month - does screenstate allow for a lower frequency than 500 when the screen is off? Jul 28 22:40:48 yes Jul 28 22:46:40 why go lower Jul 28 22:47:08 reduced power consumption Jul 28 22:47:34 doesn't a greater cpu step use more power? Jul 28 22:47:52 800MHz has a higher draw than 500MHz, if that's what you're asking? Jul 28 22:48:18 the real question is does 125 or 250 have a significantly lower draw than 500 Jul 28 22:48:23 no i mean lower than 500 Jul 28 22:48:25 race to idle Jul 28 22:48:33 dick-richardson: govnah will show you current draw Jul 28 22:48:49 egaudet: 125 at idle draws less power than 500 at idle Jul 28 22:49:04 the key is *idle* Jul 28 22:49:16 and takes a lot longer to get there Jul 28 22:49:57 correct Jul 28 22:50:05 egaudet: if the cpu is idle it is already there Jul 28 22:50:13 wherever you are, that is, after all, where you are. Jul 28 22:50:18 believe it or not running at 800 can save battery sometimes Jul 28 22:50:22 well the cpu isn't going to be idle the whole time the screen is off Jul 28 22:50:29 sbromwich no i mean jumping from 125 to 800 as opposed to 500 to 800 Jul 28 22:50:52 egaudet: it is mostly idle, the load is I think io load Jul 28 22:51:32 b3ll: there is no appreciable additional current draw between 125->800 and 500->800 Jul 28 22:51:38 ah Jul 28 22:51:42 so you think 125 will give battery savings Jul 28 22:51:50 800 will of course draw more overall than 500 Jul 28 22:51:56 i respectfully disagree Jul 28 22:52:02 egaudet: 125 gives battery savings on my phone Jul 28 22:52:15 l-user: you go, girl Jul 28 22:52:23 l-user, please expound Jul 28 22:52:32 What does f105 use? Jul 28 22:52:55 as mentioned above, battery savings comes from CPU IDLE (Menu). then voltage scaling can happen Jul 28 22:53:16 running at 125 may draw less current but processes are running longer Jul 28 22:53:25 so the phone isnt idle nor voltage scaling Jul 28 22:53:37 F105 uses 500/1005 Jul 28 22:55:10 the only real concern I have w/screenstate vs conservative w/a cpu step of 100% is the scripts that run overnight to transfer content on to the phone or back the phone up to my comp Jul 28 22:57:07 dick-richardson: i dont understand your concern? you want it to run full speed or not overnight? Jul 28 22:58:09 F105 should be at 1GHz yea? Jul 28 22:59:14 ya Jul 28 23:00:34 mines reading 900 Jul 28 23:00:45 should the max freq not be 1000000? Jul 28 23:01:52 you have to set it via govnah Jul 28 23:02:11 yea i did that Jul 28 23:02:22 i set the max as 1000000 and the min as 500000 Jul 28 23:03:08 its not 1000000 Jul 28 23:03:19 use Basic mode, not advanced mode in govnah Jul 28 23:03:25 it will show up as 1.005GHz Jul 28 23:04:26 i like advanced tho lol Jul 28 23:04:48 oh wait nvm Jul 28 23:05:13 thanks Jul 28 23:06:44 if you enter 1005000000 or something it should work Jul 28 23:08:44 yea i just did that Jul 28 23:08:47 works now :) Jul 28 23:11:35 still working on getting prepaid data Jul 28 23:11:36 :\ Jul 28 23:13:36 l-user: have you tried the 800GHz kernel yet? Jul 28 23:13:54 nope. only 600GHz kernel Jul 28 23:14:17 its called Super-Duper Pre-Kernel Jul 28 23:14:19 I have the last kernel released by unix... 1.4THz Jul 28 23:14:19 I tried but I couldn't source the superconductors Jul 28 23:15:00 Does is play Quake 3? Doom 4? Jul 28 23:15:04 LOL Jul 28 23:15:15 runs Crysis fine on mine Jul 28 23:15:18 you can scroll the screen up and down really quickly Jul 28 23:15:19 got an SDL port Jul 28 23:15:25 the 1.4THz kernel was super stable... I was running 6 instances of WoW on my pre Jul 28 23:15:29 if it runs Crysis thats all that matters Jul 28 23:15:49 exactly Jul 28 23:15:59 but does it run Firefox 4 smoothly? Jul 28 23:15:59 haven't cross compiled it yet... WIDK complains about missing libwtf.so when I try Jul 28 23:16:07 lol Jul 28 23:20:25 cryptk: lol Jul 28 23:28:34 fffff Jul 28 23:28:40 can one change their esn on a pre? Jul 28 23:31:45 people have claimed to do it Jul 28 23:32:47 spray it with gamma rays, that should do the trick Jul 28 23:33:12 lol k basically all I want to do Jul 28 23:33:23 is have unlimited mobile browser (im on prepaid) for my pre Jul 28 23:33:33 bell.ca won't allow me to add it no matter what I try Jul 28 23:33:38 oflks Jul 28 23:33:39 folks Jul 28 23:33:42 so I want to fake my esn to another phone Jul 28 23:33:48 to force it to be added Jul 28 23:33:54 b3ll: turbo is working well btw :) Jul 28 23:34:04 bhuey: ahaha nice Jul 28 23:34:08 k04 Jul 28 23:34:09 i mean, go nuts - but .. i don't think you'll get much help from the channel Jul 28 23:34:28 stock program but there's a lot more lower end torque after the turbo lag and the upper range is more usable now Jul 28 23:35:02 other than that, the entire thing is working perfectly, tedious work but it came out good Jul 28 23:35:33 bpadalino : ill prob just end up forgetting about it Jul 28 23:35:34 lol Jul 28 23:35:42 understandable Jul 28 23:35:47 j/w if anyone knows off hand Jul 28 23:36:30 you can change the esn if you have the msl code Jul 28 23:36:48 (typically, I havent tried it) Jul 28 23:37:47 ##(MSL Code)# will take you into provisioning, and I assume youd be able to change it from there Jul 28 23:38:04 bsiegel : would that allow me to spoof the phone tho? to say a nokia or something? Jul 28 23:38:15 or am i just wasting my time Jul 28 23:42:32 so, are we stuck on 2.6.24 because of the few binary modules? Jul 28 23:43:32 that sounds like a good reason Jul 28 23:45:30 oh another thing Jul 28 23:45:39 i dont have data, would that be why the gps doesn't get a fix? Jul 28 23:45:58 HAHA Ares log viewere just ouputted this while my phone was starting up. Error: ERROR: native parser didn't like 'PONG', palmInitFramework347:2527 Jul 28 23:46:15 LOL Jul 28 23:46:36 every cdma phone is identified by its ESN, like a sim card for GSM except you cant just swap it out Jul 28 23:46:58 technically Jul 28 23:47:03 you get the MSL code and that should let you change the ESN, Jul 28 23:47:10 alrighty ill call tomorrow Jul 28 23:47:12 its like swapping out a SIM card - it should have the same effect Jul 28 23:47:13 say i need an RTN Jul 28 23:47:21 alright perfect Jul 28 23:47:34 i'd have to re-activate the phone Jul 28 23:47:36 Ive done that but I have found its just faster to ask for the msl directly Jul 28 23:47:42 while you're in there, find a way to flash the radio so tx power is over 9000 Jul 28 23:47:47 LOL Jul 28 23:48:05 i want to swap out the camera for a 12mp one Jul 28 23:48:14 720p video would be amazing Jul 28 23:48:23 use QPST to change radio settings Jul 28 23:48:41 I-user don't you need the msl to use that as well? Jul 28 23:48:56 yep.. .easy to get...or just demand it from your carrier Jul 28 23:51:13 yea i gotta wait till tomorrow Jul 28 23:59:45 webos-internals database is down, specifically the hash codes Jul 29 00:09:09 Any particular reason Preware is not showing my installed packages? Jul 29 00:10:27 if (user==beerad) {dontShowInstalledApps = true;} Jul 29 00:10:31 I think that's at the top Jul 29 00:10:36 of the source Jul 29 00:10:45 basically it hates you Jul 29 00:11:29 BeeRad: we have a utility that will probably fix your problem Jul 29 00:11:30 Indeed. It does. Jul 29 00:11:33 ERU Jul 29 00:11:42 Emergency Reconstruction Utility Jul 29 00:12:31 of course it could also be from our current server issues Jul 29 00:12:45 ahhhh Jul 29 00:12:57 we are working on it Jul 29 00:13:14 it occurs from a corrupted status file from something using the ipkg database at the same time as the app catalog Jul 29 00:13:18 ipkg.preware.org is unaffected Jul 29 00:13:26 It could be on my end as well. This thing is still acting ill. Random shutdowns. I couldnt even open Preware without it constantly rebooting at every attempt. Jul 29 00:13:39 BeeRad: what kernel are you running? Jul 29 00:13:43 hehehe Jul 29 00:13:44 guess Jul 29 00:13:48 I think you know. Jul 29 00:17:10 "Doctor, it hurts when I do this ..." Jul 29 00:17:29 rwhitby did you catch my error with webos-internals database entry for palm pre hash codes? Jul 29 00:27:45 any body her ? Jul 29 00:28:03 b3ll: I did not Jul 29 00:28:21 rwhitby: the hash code section of the wiki is down :) Jul 29 00:28:36 b3ll: are you talking about on the wiki? Jul 29 00:28:41 yea Jul 29 00:28:42 the whole thing is down, we are working on it Jul 29 00:28:48 (I took it down) Jul 29 00:28:51 oh kk i just noticed it Jul 29 00:42:20 ~lart l-user Jul 29 00:42:35 oh, infobot, not you too. Jul 29 00:50:41 rwhitby : is sb2 available for osx? Jul 29 00:51:06 I don't know Jul 29 00:51:24 mmm okay if i get it going ill add to the wiki Jul 29 00:55:44 hey guys, i know im just having a brain fart, but how do you stop gps tracking? i tried subscribe:false and it didnt stop tracking Jul 29 00:56:09 Get a Verizon plan. Jul 29 01:00:38 Having trouble getting ssh setup on a palm pixi Jul 29 01:01:13 Webos.pastebin.com/UB8ift2c Jul 29 01:01:20 Any ideas? Jul 29 01:06:13 wget: bad address 'ipkg2.nslu2-linux.org' - weird Jul 29 01:15:41 bpadalino: when did you get that? Jul 29 01:15:54 brandon got it in his log Jul 29 01:16:06 what were you doing at the time? Jul 29 01:16:57 he was trying to install ssh i believe Jul 29 01:17:05 Webos.pastebin.com/UB8ift2c Jul 29 01:19:47 so the cpu goes into idle even w/the screen on? Jul 29 01:22:16 reiterating for newcomers: hey guys, i know im just having a brain fart, but how do you stop gps tracking? i tried subscribe:false and it didnt stop tracking Jul 29 01:22:35 bpadalino: he's using an obsolete method. Jul 29 01:24:48 * rwhitby watches the Phil McKinney video Jul 29 01:26:07 * chrisa watches rwhitby Jul 29 01:28:17 creepy Jul 29 01:29:47 rwhitby: oh, someone should probably tell him how to use a non-obsolete method Jul 29 01:31:08 * rwhitby needs to get Phil McKinney knowing the WebOS Internals URL in addition to PreCentra. Jul 29 01:32:18 (@22:00 in the video) Jul 29 01:33:12 lol yes Jul 29 01:34:40 at least get to know the name Jul 29 01:35:10 webOS more like weboBEST Jul 29 01:35:12 hooooooo Jul 29 01:35:28 lol, yeah Jul 29 01:46:37 is the server down again? Jul 29 01:46:48 we are on it Jul 29 01:46:58 working tediously as we speak Jul 29 01:47:02 cool thanx Jul 29 01:47:34 I'm trying to learn stuff and am lost without the site lol Jul 29 01:47:40 lol Jul 29 01:47:50 hopefully in a few hours it will be back Jul 29 01:48:13 sweet. good luck Jul 29 01:48:57 wusaint: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/19781899778 Jul 29 01:50:15 rwhitby: thanx. I haven't went through my twitter timeline. I have spent most of the day underneath my car Jul 29 01:58:07 rwhitby: where is the video located? Jul 29 02:00:54 BeeRad: http://sas10.vivu.tv/portal/archive.jsp?flow=196-978-5465&id=1280340714820 Jul 29 02:01:53 Kyusaku: thanks buddy. Jul 29 02:02:43 np Jul 29 02:17:43 Grrrrrr.... Phil keeps saying "THE webOS" Jul 29 02:19:45 but it is THE OS Jul 29 02:20:39 Its not the web OS. It is "webOS" the operating system. Jul 29 02:21:44 Palm's brand documentation says that you should refer to it as "the webOS" Jul 29 02:22:03 Palm is wrong. :P Jul 29 02:22:56 It's not a word, it's a brand. And it's theirs. Jul 29 02:23:49 I thought the brand was Palm webOS Jul 29 02:25:17 To say "the webOS" comes across grammatically as "the web operating system" and thats not what it is. webOS is the brand name for the operating system. In essence, its webOS the OS. Jul 29 02:26:19 unless you pronounce webos like rwhitby does Jul 29 02:26:53 the webaws..... Jul 29 02:27:11 lol Jul 29 02:37:15 oil: I don't say the "the" either. Jul 29 02:37:21 * rwhitby bbl Jul 29 02:51:31 j00 website is imploding **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 02:59:57 2010