**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 02:59:57 2010 Jul 29 03:07:41 * oil blames jhojho Jul 29 03:07:48 wth? Jul 29 03:10:30 what is developer mode? Jul 29 03:10:47 for the palm pre Jul 29 03:10:48 dunno Jul 29 03:11:11 how dp i download preware? Jul 29 03:11:17 *do Jul 29 03:12:32 konami code! Jul 29 03:12:58 check preware.org Jul 29 03:13:08 ok Jul 29 03:13:47 i was just on that. and it says you have to put it in developer mode. and idk what that is Jul 29 03:14:01 type webos20090606 Jul 29 03:14:10 in universal search Jul 29 03:14:16 ok Jul 29 03:16:59 http://tinyurl.com/3xmwpo8 Jul 29 03:17:00 xD Jul 29 03:24:43 im still having touble Jul 29 03:24:58 where do i type that code at? Jul 29 03:25:39 universal search Jul 29 03:25:50 so while in card mode, just type away Jul 29 03:26:45 oh your great! thanks Jul 29 03:29:30 i cant find webos. Jul 29 03:29:46 it says the phone is already in developer mode Jul 29 03:30:10 1. Put your device in Developer Mode Jul 29 03:30:15 i did that Jul 29 03:30:30 2. Run WebOS Quick Install Jul 29 03:30:36 im having trouble doing that Jul 29 03:31:32 any help? Jul 29 03:31:48 what is webos quick install? Jul 29 03:31:54 shay: what documentation on that topic have you read already? Jul 29 03:32:18 umm. preware.org. Jul 29 03:32:28 thats it. Jul 29 03:32:57 ok, I suggest you become familiar with google.com and allocate far more time for this than I expect you have allocated. Jul 29 03:33:22 you cant help me? Jul 29 03:33:43 shay: over 200,000 people have installed Preware from the information that is available. Jul 29 03:33:55 shay: google webos quick install Jul 29 03:34:20 ok Jul 29 03:34:28 We can either spend time helping an individual who hasn't done any research themselves, or we could spend the same time developing new software. Which would you prefer? Jul 29 03:36:54 The fact is that if we go to the effort of helping you find something that you can find with the first hit on google, then that is incentivising you to do that for every single question you have on any topic in the future too. Multiply that by 200,000 and there are no more hours left in the day, let alone the fact that we all have real lives and real jobs too. Jul 29 03:37:37 It's nothing pesonal, it's simply not an effective way for any group to operate, unless you are paying the wages of that group. Jul 29 03:37:52 s/pesonal/personal/ Jul 29 03:38:24 ok thank you rwhitby. Jul 29 03:38:55 ok so i googled it. and still dont know what to do. Jul 29 03:39:35 http://install.preware.org Jul 29 03:39:45 homebrew just isn't for some people .. Jul 29 03:40:10 bpadalino: and the thing is that it's a function of attitude, not of intelligence or skill. Jul 29 03:40:26 agreed Jul 29 03:43:11 thank you. egaudet. i think that will help Jul 29 03:44:07 shay: oh, you weren't using that link from the start? Jul 29 03:44:15 shay: who gave you a different URL than that one? Jul 29 03:44:51 cause http://install.preware.org/ is the one and only location for Preware installation instructions Jul 29 03:45:15 idk. some guy earlier Jul 29 03:45:41 shay: what URL did they give you Jul 29 03:46:36 oh, I see the problem now. preware.org does not point to install.preware.org but has it's own inferior installation instructions. Jul 29 03:46:52 I'll have to remove those once the server migration is complete. Jul 29 03:46:58 shay: thanks for identifying that. Jul 29 03:47:43 yep no problem. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:10:14 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:24:17 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:37:22 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:54:14 2010 Jul 29 06:08:45 cool Jul 29 06:11:20 hi Jul 29 06:59:21 Hi everybody! Jul 29 07:00:10 g'day synnine Jul 29 07:00:20 I'm diggin the wIRC client Jul 29 07:00:35 yea it's pretty sweet Jul 29 07:03:15 The overclock kernels are baller too. Jul 29 07:03:37 * rwhitby assumes baller is good Jul 29 07:03:47 I've tried uber, f105 and blackbird Jul 29 07:04:10 Yeah. I have auto cap on. Don't want to seem to proper. Jul 29 07:04:19 Too. Jul 29 07:05:39 I turned it off but I guess I have to exit and rejoin... Let me see. Jul 29 07:05:54 Brb. Jul 29 07:06:04 rwhitby: i guess it is Jul 29 07:07:00 pref test. Jul 29 07:07:13 ahhh much better Jul 29 07:07:38 Capitalization is for chumps. Jul 29 07:08:05 infobot: wb Jul 29 07:08:07 It's great to be back! Jul 29 07:08:35 ~botsnack Jul 29 07:08:36 aw, gee, rwhitby Jul 29 07:08:41 if I have wirc autofix it too much I'll stop using caps forever. Jul 29 07:09:08 kinda how google made me forget spelling Jul 29 07:09:51 okay, fair enough Jul 29 07:10:38 btw you devs rock! Jul 29 07:10:51 indeed we do, collectively. Jul 29 07:10:56 awww chucks Jul 29 07:11:00 schucks? Jul 29 07:11:05 * oil blushes Jul 29 07:11:50 oil: what's the easiest way for another app to get access to the Preware blacklist array? Jul 29 07:12:20 use a service to read its cookie? Jul 29 07:13:05 * oil goes to sleep Jul 29 07:13:12 what's the most efficient way, if it needs to do this many times while populating lists dynamically? Jul 29 07:13:47 have a call in the preware service to return the array and save it somewhere Jul 29 07:23:33 "

For customers 18 years and older.

" Jul 29 07:35:24 looks like apps can have a licenseURL now too, and it gets displayed in the app cat if it exists Jul 29 07:40:50 morning Jul 29 07:40:59 testing wirc :) Jul 29 07:47:31 hello everyone. Jul 29 07:50:10 hi Jul 29 07:50:45 I have a question Jul 29 07:51:48 go on Jul 29 07:54:43 wel..as much as I hate iOS and everything associated with apple, I do admire the scrolling. is there any way to make the scrolling smother in webOS? Jul 29 07:55:14 Hi all... so, latest wIRC says 1.4.5 only, but still exhibits the "waiting for plugin" issue... do I still need to do the umask add? Jul 29 07:55:15 overclock your pre Jul 29 07:55:34 did you check your fstab? Jul 29 07:55:43 I'm overclocked to 800 Jul 29 07:56:05 scrolling still slow on 800? Jul 29 07:56:35 it's less. but still jerky. Jul 29 07:56:58 swisstomcat: me? Jul 29 07:57:06 yeah Jul 29 07:57:20 i had the same problem Jul 29 07:57:25 is the F105 going to be out of beta anytime soon? Jul 29 07:57:40 Well that's what I'm asking... I thought perhaps the new wIRC worked around needin to do the umask part? Jul 29 07:57:41 using wirc on 1.4.5 right now Jul 29 07:58:12 not that i know, i had to fix it Jul 29 07:58:25 waiiiiiiit. swisstomcat, where do you live? Jul 29 07:58:46 europe Jul 29 07:58:49 and how do you check the fstab? Jul 29 07:59:12 preware has a EFF tool to fix the fstab Jul 29 07:59:30 oh. I'm in the US. no 1.4.5 around here. I'm waiting for 2.0 now. Jul 29 07:59:50 i wonder what the holdup is Jul 29 07:59:54 lingfish_: just run the EFF Jul 29 08:00:16 And you still had to mod /etc/fstab? Jul 29 08:00:16 0.3.0 Jul 29 08:00:43 i had to mod it Jul 29 08:00:53 yeah, you coul run EFF Jul 29 08:01:16 to fix scrolling jerkiness, I have some tricks that might work Jul 29 08:01:32 BUT need commandline access for one of them. u have to know linux Jul 29 08:02:00 I looked at precentral and aparently we're "falling behind in broadband infrastucture"...whatever that means Jul 29 08:02:26 how does broadband infrastructure have anything to do with scrolling? Jul 29 08:02:34 heh Jul 29 08:03:04 the us should just use GSM, like everyone else :) Jul 29 08:03:20 it doesn't. it has to do with the US not getting the 1.4.5 update Jul 29 08:03:29 it does, just on a *cough* not so great provider Jul 29 08:03:38 but they're probably talking about fixed-line broadband Jul 29 08:04:38 idk what gsm is. what doesfstab dohtem ? Jul 29 08:05:28 do ?* (this auto correct is pissing me off) Jul 29 08:08:35 hello? Jul 29 08:10:24 what? Jul 29 08:11:58 bbl Jul 29 08:14:29 I was wondering why it got so quiet. will the eff thing make the pre run anyfaster since it's for the system config? Jul 29 08:16:36 jhojho, are you still here? Jul 29 08:17:33 Ki11er: the EFF does one thing and one thing only, and that thing is detailed in the description of the package. Jul 29 08:21:04 yes? Jul 29 08:25:07 rwhitby: sorry, EFF? Jul 29 08:27:33 lingfish_: Emergency Fstab Fixer. In Preware. Jul 29 08:31:32 rwhitby: lol... classic. Does it just do that one umask line? Jul 29 08:31:50 yep Jul 29 08:32:06 but it does it *very* well. Jul 29 08:33:37 No side effects of the change? Jul 29 08:33:48 nope Jul 29 08:33:48 lol, what do mean very well, heh. Jul 29 08:33:52 (also hi :)) Jul 29 08:34:56 it makes it identical to if you doctored to 1.4.5, and even checks the webOS version to make sure you can't apply it to any other webOS version. Jul 29 08:35:05 and it's idempotent as well Jul 29 08:35:49 hrm, so why is it not right, after an upgrade to 1.4.5 then? I'm not following -- I thought 1.4.5 broke that entry... Jul 29 08:36:06 OTA broke it. Doctor has correct. Jul 29 08:36:13 ah. Jul 29 08:36:22 How's things anyway Rod? Jul 29 08:36:37 good, but I gotta run. time for home. Jul 29 08:36:39 I'm in England for work at the mo Jul 29 08:36:45 k Jul 29 11:19:00 is there a way to use the zip/unzip function that was added to save restore manually? like from terminal Jul 29 11:23:39 I tried, "unzip filename" with no luck Jul 29 13:07:29 mjkjr: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin/unzip filename Jul 29 14:19:07 Hrm... anyone still seeing the age-old bug where mail accounts sync even when set to manual? Jul 29 14:29:40 rwhitby: nice re: fstab fixer Jul 29 14:29:56 rwhitby: i was just gonna put a fix in the preware postinst or something Jul 29 14:30:00 but i guess this works too Jul 29 14:49:17 how do you get ipkg-opt onto the pre? Jul 29 14:57:23 FOUND IT Jul 29 14:57:28 optware advanced linux command line installer Jul 29 14:57:31 * torchie jizz Jul 29 14:59:28 please be sure to clean up after yourself Jul 29 15:47:05 morning Jul 29 15:57:23 Has anyone dealt with Save/Restore deleting files within the /internal/saverestore/ directory upon launch of Save/Restore? Jul 29 16:26:25 i'm tryng to create a website work on palm pre, and with a similar interface, like iwebkit, jqtouch, iui .... for the iphone, someone know something similar for the palm pre ?... or where i can find the image for create a theme for this framework ??? Jul 29 16:52:39 bsiegel? Jul 29 17:44:57 Is there any word on when the update will be released in the US? Jul 29 17:54:27 djk: When the carrier song and dance is finished Jul 29 17:55:07 whatever happened to eguy? every time someone would ask when the update was the answer would be 'tomorrow!' Jul 29 17:55:15 and tomorrow, the same answer xD Jul 29 17:55:46 djk: tomorrow Jul 29 17:55:58 well kesne said "today" Jul 29 17:56:06 but that was a week ago Jul 29 17:56:14 actually 2 weeks :( Jul 29 17:56:17 1.4.5 Jul 29 17:56:25 who listens to kesne? Jul 29 17:56:30 exactly Jul 29 17:56:43 kesne's my little sweetie pie Jul 29 17:56:45 kesne is just a kid with pimples :S Jul 29 17:58:11 I'm a year older than him so I get to push him around Jul 29 17:58:17 I have way better pimples than he does Jul 29 17:58:18 lol Jul 29 17:58:26 and scraggly, improperly shaved facial hair Jul 29 17:58:32 * en0x is speechless :S Jul 29 17:58:38 for maximum neckbeard Jul 29 18:06:18 Great so I'll wait for tomorrow. Oh wait tomorrow never comes :-( Jul 29 18:24:06 http://www.precentral.net/move-cursor-text-field Jul 29 18:24:17 omg. why didn't I find this out sooner? Jul 29 19:00:21 the cursor took me about a month to figure out accidentally when trying to select txt with the wrong button Jul 29 19:08:38 someone from webosinternals here? Jul 29 19:09:15 no Jul 29 19:10:50 a pity Jul 29 19:11:04 mmm Jul 29 19:18:56 so uh Jul 29 19:19:04 what do I need to start hello worlding applications for the pre Jul 29 19:19:28 text editor Jul 29 19:19:29 ;] Jul 29 19:20:11 Hello World! Jul 29 19:43:36 ShadeS: ares Jul 29 19:44:07 ShadeS: https://ares.palm.com/Ares/about.html Jul 29 19:45:56 Hello. Jul 29 19:58:16 dtz!!! Jul 29 19:58:27 great news! xorg still works with 1.4.5!!! Jul 29 20:01:51 so BTW, what's a good opensource text editor for the pre? Jul 29 20:02:10 i just hate the Memos app but i still use it Jul 29 20:02:22 vim! Jul 29 20:02:36 is the a webos frontend? :) Jul 29 20:02:41 there* Jul 29 20:03:03 Memos freezes for like 5 seconds every time i type something or backspace through text Jul 29 20:04:08 b3ll: o_O it does? Jul 29 20:04:31 dtzWill ya! Jul 29 20:04:38 so does xterm Jul 29 20:04:47 just launching from the icon doesn't work Jul 29 20:04:54 if you run the start.sh script it launchs Jul 29 20:04:57 launches* Jul 29 20:05:56 b3ll: oh nice. so it's just the jail. what i figured but hadn't tested it yet. Jul 29 20:06:15 dtzWill : whats the jail? Jul 29 20:06:19 figured it would fail due to some api changes as well, and the whole "memory usage" parameter Jul 29 20:06:46 b3ll: 1.4.5 makes apps run from a 'jail' which means they're limited in what they can access, and in theory what they can see. Jul 29 20:06:58 to prevent them from doing things they shouldn't primarily. Jul 29 20:07:12 like sandboxed iphone applications? Jul 29 20:07:22 i need a couch next to my work desk Jul 29 20:07:36 nebula : agreed, or a nice lazyboy Jul 29 20:07:43 the x stuff I made good use of explicitly using other packages so that the libs and binaries were shared and you didn't need many copies Jul 29 20:07:54 so that was just a design error that is completely broken on 1.4.5 :) Jul 29 20:08:16 design decision... i don't think it was necessarily an error, i take that back hehe Jul 29 20:08:28 b3ll: yes, like sandboxed iphone apps if that's how you prefer to see it :). Jul 29 20:09:02 dtzWill then how can the terminal run it, but not luna? Jul 29 20:09:16 isn't it sending the command to launch it? Jul 29 20:09:36 b3ll: no. it just IS launching it. Jul 29 20:09:55 im so confused Jul 29 20:09:56 luna sets up the jail (well i'm not exactly sure what component does the jailing) and then launches it. Jul 29 20:10:01 ohhhhh Jul 29 20:10:02 terminal just launches it, no jail. Jul 29 20:10:22 so therefore now it needs to be jailed Jul 29 20:10:25 to be launched Jul 29 20:10:49 and luna can't directly send commands to the shell? Jul 29 20:12:02 b3ll: luna CAN, they did the jail on *purpose* Jul 29 20:12:07 for security reasons Jul 29 20:12:59 oh i understand that Jul 29 20:13:05 ill see if i can fix this Jul 29 20:13:14 btw, how did you get lxde going? Jul 29 20:13:22 i installed it in debian Jul 29 20:13:43 b3ll: for those screenshots i took? debian Jul 29 20:14:07 dtzWill: yea i figured that, but what'd you put in the x-window scripts :P Jul 29 20:14:56 b3ll: i don't remember. you're going to wnat to integrate the chroot with the scripts then Jul 29 20:15:09 and launch it from the chroot, w/e the start-lxde command is. Jul 29 20:15:22 oh that simple? Jul 29 20:15:44 pretty much, yeah. Jul 29 20:16:11 oh okay lets see Jul 29 20:16:42 dtzWill : one more question :P, how does debian get the internet connection? it's own drivers? Jul 29 20:17:06 because I know a couple from fedora allow the chipset to be put in monitor mode Jul 29 20:18:08 b3ll: well when you run the debian chroot you're not running a whole new linux instance. Jul 29 20:18:24 b3ll: not booting up a debian kernel such that it needs its own drives for anything. Jul 29 20:18:34 b3ll: so it access the internet the same way your pre does normally. Jul 29 20:18:58 the debian binaries are already pre-compatible? Jul 29 20:19:21 b3ll: the applications are anyway, yeha. Jul 29 20:19:43 oh neat, okay ill let you get back to work :P i'm gonna play around with this Jul 29 20:19:52 b3ll: kk. have fun :). Jul 29 20:20:06 WAIT Jul 29 20:20:09 wait wait wait Jul 29 20:20:16 lol Jul 29 20:20:18 could one theoretically have an android chroot? Jul 29 20:24:21 Theoretically, but android depends on some kernel level tweaks Jul 29 20:24:56 how big? Jul 29 20:25:27 ah nothin' major I think, just bits of kernel support for some features.. Jul 29 20:26:40 hmm im gonna try that right now Jul 29 20:36:22 so has the omap port of android just died? :P Jul 29 20:45:54 webosinternals here? Jul 29 20:46:01 no Jul 29 20:46:15 lol Jul 29 20:46:46 no? Jul 29 20:46:50 not even you? Jul 29 20:48:37 nope Jul 29 20:49:12 i guess im part of webos-internals Jul 29 20:49:16 lol Jul 29 20:50:42 ~ask Jul 29 20:50:44 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jul 29 20:51:08 "We are all here voluntarily or against our will." Jul 29 20:51:09 lol Jul 29 20:51:15 lol Jul 29 20:51:15 who is here against their will? Jul 29 20:51:20 and Jul 29 20:51:24 infobot: welcome back Jul 29 20:51:25 Welcome to the party, back! Jul 29 20:51:35 against our Will Jul 29 20:51:59 wtf Jul 29 20:52:04 ? Jul 29 20:52:04 welcome to the party, back? Jul 29 20:52:07 lol Jul 29 20:52:15 infobot, stop taking breaks Jul 29 20:52:16 your losing it Jul 29 20:52:17 * infobot leaps to his feet and stops taking breaks Jul 29 20:52:21 or you're losing Jul 29 20:52:23 it Jul 29 20:52:28 i think its supposed to be just "wb" Jul 29 20:52:34 infobot: wb Jul 29 20:52:36 It's great to be back! Jul 29 20:53:03 so, i told him to welcome back back Jul 29 20:53:06 lol Jul 29 20:53:15 and he did just that lol Jul 29 20:53:40 infobot: welcome now leave Jul 29 20:53:42 Good to see you, now leave! Jul 29 20:53:46 hah Jul 29 20:53:57 again with teh bot taking over the channel conversation :/ Jul 29 20:54:04 lol Jul 29 20:54:04 * oilsworkn goes back to ignoring infobot Jul 29 20:54:22 ~ask Jul 29 20:54:24 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jul 29 20:54:50 I need to speak with bsiegel or who ever updated UC today/yesterday Jul 29 20:55:09 patch deal? Jul 29 20:55:24 yes Jul 29 20:55:31 the patch is empty now Jul 29 20:55:44 ohoh, Jul 29 20:55:46 thats no good Jul 29 20:55:47 people complain about the stock calendar Jul 29 20:55:50 it's oil's fault Jul 29 20:55:59 oil? Jul 29 20:56:03 GAH Jul 29 20:56:08 could you fix it? Jul 29 20:56:27 egaudet was lieing to you Jul 29 20:56:29 oil == �l Jul 29 20:56:56 sounded good Jul 29 20:57:08 egaudet: you're supposed to blame jhojho for everything Jul 29 20:57:43 I blame you, you blame him, I indirectly blame him :P Jul 29 20:57:53 MetaView_: what do you mean it's "blank" Jul 29 20:57:57 the patch legit is empty? Jul 29 20:58:05 would changing initctl's log-priority to debug send messages to /var/log/messages? I'm trying to figure out why minstat's service just hangs when trying to start Jul 29 20:58:14 when people install the update the calendar is back to standard Jul 29 20:58:25 the existing patch is removed but no new patch is installed Jul 29 21:00:09 yeah that's not good Jul 29 21:00:14 patch file is empty file Jul 29 21:00:22 hm Jul 29 21:00:41 * oilsworkn wonders if its upload problem? Jul 29 21:00:53 oilsworkn: are there any logs for the portal? Jul 29 21:00:59 idk Jul 29 21:01:38 it may be a bug in the regeneration code Jul 29 21:01:43 there may be normal apache logs Jul 29 21:01:49 I still don't know where I can find the actual patch files on the git Jul 29 21:01:57 gitorious Jul 29 21:02:11 but usingthe web-access? Jul 29 21:02:19 gitorious.com/webos-internals/ Jul 29 21:02:21 modifications repo Jul 29 21:02:46 MetaView_: was this patch uploaded pre or post server move? Jul 29 21:03:25 thx Jul 29 21:03:34 post server move Jul 29 21:04:25 27.07.2010 22:44 Patch Submitted via the WebOS-Patches Web Portal! Jul 29 21:04:45 It's -2:00 to GMT Jul 29 21:04:59 no, +2:00 Jul 29 21:06:00 well Jul 29 21:06:22 i assume whoever approved it confirmed the patch wasnt blank before approving it Jul 29 21:06:44 so its probably not upload problem Jul 29 21:09:56 Hello. Jul 29 21:10:10 Anyone know how to do a complete dump/backup of the NVRAM memory? Jul 29 21:12:40 check the wiki Jul 29 21:13:14 seems I would need a restart - time to sleep now Jul 29 21:13:15 K so i got lxde installed and running, it's just not being sent to the pre's framebuffer, I setup the xorg config, and typed startx, yet an instance of x is already running in the xterm... Jul 29 21:13:25 will you have a look into the patch issue? Jul 29 21:14:59 * oilsworkn hopes "you" is egaudet? Jul 29 21:15:36 * egaudet hands off to oil as the power that be over the portal! Jul 29 21:15:39 well, I don't care :) Jul 29 21:15:58 MetaView_: upload another one Jul 29 21:16:09 the boss comes in 1 hour, he will see if everything is clean :D Jul 29 21:16:14 ok, I will Jul 29 21:16:50 I'll verify it's not empty and try to see if it's a bug in the process or what Jul 29 21:16:53 * oilsworkn has no power over portal Jul 29 21:17:05 * oilsworkn deletes his ssh keys on the server xD Jul 29 21:17:09 lol Jul 29 21:17:56 datafirm: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Jul 29 21:18:41 updated Jul 29 21:22:24 egaudet can you edit the esn from there? Jul 29 21:22:34 with the tokens that is Jul 29 21:22:49 egaudet: that is just the tokens and nvram locations. Jul 29 21:22:55 not a complete backup. Jul 29 21:23:05 b3ll: no Jul 29 21:23:13 damnit Jul 29 21:25:23 g'night... Jul 29 21:29:29 datafirm: just use dd Jul 29 21:29:50 nvm found a good tutorial Jul 29 21:30:04 if you just wnat to dump all of the partitions on the Flash Jul 29 21:31:45 egaudet: But that wont get the VN ram items? Jul 29 21:31:53 NV Jul 29 21:32:15 ? Jul 29 21:34:10 egaudet: I want to back up the Non-Volatile memory that in the modem/radio. Jul 29 21:34:19 dd will just get the flash ram Jul 29 21:34:47 well "nvram" was very non-specific Jul 29 21:34:56 I don't know anything about the modem/radio though sorry Jul 29 21:35:31 I should get X running on my pre and try out matchstick Jul 29 21:36:08 sorry, yeah just thinking about the radio right now. Jul 29 21:36:18 doesn't the doctor reflash the modem Jul 29 21:36:27 egaudet: sometimes, yeah Jul 29 21:36:42 but I dont think it flashes the whole ram contents. Jul 29 21:37:04 I screwed something up and want to be sure I can back it up. Jul 29 21:38:19 gotta head out, bbl Jul 29 21:48:22 RagingMind: what's matchstick? did you mean matchbox? Jul 29 21:48:49 RagingMind: matchbox should be staged in the WIDK and I think it worked fine last time i tried it. Jul 29 21:49:12 it's meant mostly for devices with stylus so some buttons are a bit small.. but otherwise it's great. Jul 29 21:49:41 b3ll: no need to run startx or xorg.conf Jul 29 21:49:54 dtzWill then why won't it load? Jul 29 21:50:03 i have the server running Jul 29 21:50:06 b3ll: x in preware is built on kdrive--it's statically confiured, no xorg.conf Jul 29 21:50:12 b3ll: set your DISPLAY env variable. Jul 29 21:50:21 to? Jul 29 21:50:34