**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 13 02:59:57 2010 Aug 13 03:21:28 wow, it worked, its doctored Aug 13 03:21:51 thank you so much everyone Aug 13 03:22:19 ralph_: what worked in the end? Aug 13 03:22:44 was it installing the SDK? Aug 13 03:23:09 well it was really weird, i dl'd the sdk, novacom installed, i ran the doctor, and this time it said "we were unable to reset your phone" right off the bat Aug 13 03:23:35 but it still doctored? Aug 13 03:24:09 i ran the doctor one more time and the palm logo showed up at 4% again, but then all the sudden it kept going and the flash symbol showed up on the pre Aug 13 03:24:22 im at 30% now Aug 13 03:25:44 so yeah i think the sdk did the trick Aug 13 03:27:06 cool Aug 13 03:27:43 yeah thanks again Aug 13 03:28:45 Tibfib: pong Aug 13 03:33:55 thanks again, its done, night all Aug 13 03:45:54 hello all, i need a link to a faq showing the propper steps for upgrading to 1.4.5 with patches and governah/uberkernel installed Aug 13 03:46:42 i would actually like to use the webosdoctor to do the install and have already used the save/restore app Aug 13 03:48:52 you can update your saved packages list in preware, update save/restore, remove any themes, run the update, go into preware and update feeds, install all updates Aug 13 03:49:20 govnah doesn't matter, it is an app... patches use AUPT so they are OTA safe, same with kernels Aug 13 03:49:31 unless you have patches which were not installed via preware Aug 13 03:49:39 if you do, uninstall those patches first Aug 13 03:49:50 right before the OTA Aug 13 03:49:51 yeah, but the save game bug, plus it's been a while since the last dring, would probably feel better about doing a fresh install. Aug 13 03:50:07 after the OTA run the Emergency Fstab Fixer Aug 13 03:50:11 all patches were done with preware Aug 13 03:50:14 that fixes the save game bug Aug 13 03:50:43 good, then do what I said earlier, but after you get done with the OTA run the EFF to fix the PDK bug Aug 13 03:51:13 if you really just wanna doctor... Aug 13 03:51:20 still kinda wanting to do the dr tho, been kinda buggy Aug 13 03:51:49 gut a couple of patches i cant update too Aug 13 03:51:58 got, sheesh Aug 13 03:53:05 then update saved packages list in preware, update save/restore, doctor to 1.4.5, wait for all app cat apps to finish reinstalling (can take 2+ hours), reinstall preware (do NOT do this until after app cat apps are done), reinstall save/restore via preware, open save/restore and restore preware only, go into preware and restore packages from saved packages list, go into save restore and restore everything else Aug 13 03:53:57 awesome! this s exactly what i have been searching for Aug 13 03:54:23 search on precentral appears to be borked right now Aug 13 03:55:43 is there a way to set up the wifi first before the app cat apps DL over EV? Aug 13 03:56:46 well, you can go into the list of apps in the app cat, pause all downloads (I think there may be a button at the bottom for it, don't remember), set up wifi and then unpause them Aug 13 03:57:30 SMS tone per contact and diffstat are stuck in my package updates too, also leading me to want to dr Aug 13 03:57:59 ok, i'll see Aug 13 03:58:16 thanks cryptk Aug 13 03:59:07 diffstat won't remove because it is required by the patches Aug 13 03:59:20 no, but it wont update either Aug 13 03:59:20 you would need to uninstall all patches to remove it Aug 13 03:59:36 ...don't remember an update coming out for diffstat Aug 13 03:59:56 preware is showing that it needs updating Aug 13 04:00:19 breaks the update all option every time Aug 13 04:00:41 and it won't remove? Aug 13 04:00:49 I was mistaken I think it is Lsdiff used by patches Aug 13 04:01:14 if you wanna do it the doc route have at it, just know it will take a long time Aug 13 04:01:30 you can skip the EFF if you do doc, it isn't needed... the bug only applies to OTA Aug 13 04:02:01 do sms messages survive the dr, or do i run a webos Backup just to make sure Aug 13 04:02:20 yup read that about the eff Aug 13 04:04:32 sms messages survive nothing Aug 13 04:04:53 and any backup program that says it can restore them safely is misleading Aug 13 04:05:21 so check the precentral thread on any such program before using it Aug 13 04:06:34 do i need to deactivate anything with govnah first? Aug 13 04:07:51 no Aug 13 04:10:34 rwhitby: How goes it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 13 04:13:39 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 13 04:14:14 2010 Aug 13 04:26:39 you can remove diffstat Aug 13 04:27:14 yeah, it is Lsdiff the patches use right? Aug 13 04:27:18 yeah Aug 13 04:27:21 I came back and corrected that Aug 13 04:27:50 they used to use diffstat, but that had a "bug" that didn't list some files in a unified diff if the patched line began with tab Aug 13 04:29:35 food time before sleep time Aug 13 04:56:48 mmm MacDahnalds Aug 13 05:34:39 BeeRad: good Aug 13 05:42:49 rwhitby: ok so I tried running `make backup` with meta-doctor and I'm getting this error: http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/SpXF8HT0 Aug 13 05:43:08 Tman: "make CARRIER=foo memboot backup" Aug 13 05:43:38 ok. for sprint use 'sprint'? Aug 13 05:43:55 check the top of the Makefile for valid options Aug 13 05:45:17 rwhitby: ok thanks. I'm running 1.4.1.1 right now, should I modify the Makefile accordingly? Aug 13 05:46:52 * Tman crosses fingers Aug 13 05:49:04 rwhitby: appears to be working, thanks Aug 13 07:20:38 morning Aug 13 07:27:13 has anyone heard of any issues with sound after the 1.4.5 update (for the pixi)? Aug 13 07:28:08 getting a complaint that sound stopped working after the update this am (i.e. no ringing etc.) Aug 13 07:30:57 i cant seem to update rom only toggle Aug 13 07:31:09 with 1.4.5 Aug 13 07:31:19 hmm? Aug 13 07:31:53 cant remove it either Aug 13 07:31:54 weird? Aug 13 07:38:42 what exactly are you doing? Aug 13 07:40:39 just hitting update Aug 13 07:41:09 what is rom only toggle? Aug 13 07:42:56 helloƱ Aug 13 07:43:40 having trouble with 'nextstepl after doctering... Aug 13 07:44:07 hi Aug 13 07:44:30 Guest7265: what are you referring to? Aug 13 07:44:44 camera and audio stop working Aug 13 07:45:00 after doctoring? Aug 13 07:45:06 can not login via ssh. Aug 13 07:45:07 . Aug 13 07:45:07 what device to which version? Aug 13 07:45:07 . Aug 13 07:45:08 .. Aug 13 07:45:08 . Aug 13 07:45:09 . Aug 13 07:45:09 . Aug 13 07:45:09 . Aug 13 07:45:12 pre Aug 13 07:45:17 sorrt... Aug 13 07:45:31 on pre in browser.... Aug 13 07:46:29 camera and audio stops working, ssh stops working, what else? Aug 13 07:46:37 and what version of webos did you doctor it to? Aug 13 07:46:49 so dr is good.. But I lose camera and audio after nextstep install? Logs say it can't open audiod err something.. Aug 13 07:47:09 1.4.1.1 Aug 13 07:47:35 ssh attempts connect. But can't open my home... Aug 13 07:47:44 well, you certainly won't be able to ssh to a device after doctoring it Aug 13 07:48:19 how about after dr + nextstep? Aug 13 07:48:26 yeah, because developer mode is not enabled Aug 13 07:48:30 (yet) Aug 13 07:48:41 what's "nextstep install" Aug 13 07:48:50 should I use the the dropbear and sftp packages instead? Aug 13 07:49:17 i'd re-enable developer mode first Aug 13 07:49:34 I use ipkg-opt.. Can I use that without nextstepan Aug 13 07:49:44 dev mode is on.. Aug 13 07:49:47 what's nextstep? Aug 13 07:49:48 what instructions are you following? Aug 13 07:50:12 the old ones on the nextstep wiki page. Aug 13 07:50:26 dont Aug 13 07:50:46 use openssh package in preware, following the instructions on the wiki page for it Aug 13 07:50:47 used em at 1.2 and recently on my wifes pre after doctering wo a problem. Aug 13 07:50:54 dont Aug 13 07:51:01 k. Aug 13 07:51:14 will dr again and try that. Aug 13 07:51:29 what about ipkg-opt? Aug 13 07:51:52 can I install cron, joe, svn, etc still? Aug 13 07:52:18 need my joe.. Lol Aug 13 07:53:03 oh and dynamic dns package.. And lighttp, etc... Aug 13 07:54:14 yep, all that is fine. Aug 13 07:54:29 but the page you are following clearly says at the top not to use that obsolete method Aug 13 07:54:30 rorod? Is the ipkg-opt sti... Kewl.. Thanks.. Aug 13 07:55:18 well is says if you just want sftp... Otherwise continue.. Err something.. Aug 13 07:55:53 I'll dr again tomorrow and use packages instead.. Aug 13 07:56:07 thanks... Aug 13 07:56:49 still wanna eventually get that rrd snmp junk turned into a package.. Aug 13 07:57:13 : Aug 13 07:57:45 tried a fully local version but it was pretty cpu intense. Aug 13 07:58:27 Guest7265: which page again? I'll fix what it says to be more forceful Aug 13 07:59:11 sI can fix it too... Err it's the nextstep page. Can look in a few minutes.. Aug 13 08:01:14 raoming only toggle i mean Aug 13 08:01:15 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Aug 13 08:02:29 maybe change to say.. Use opensssh package instead. With pointers to using ipkg-opt... Aug 13 08:04:12 aha, the patch "roam only toggle" Aug 13 08:12:37 * rwhitby dramatically changes http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Aug 13 08:21:05 * rwhitby bbl Aug 13 12:16:58 Hi Aug 13 12:17:11 hi Aug 13 12:17:23 it's been a while since i built the widk stuff Aug 13 12:17:30 Oh ok Aug 13 12:17:32 what's your base os? Aug 13 12:17:45 base os is ubuntu 10.4 Aug 13 12:19:18 When it gets to 'checking for XFONT' that is when I get 'No package 'fontsproto' found'. Aug 13 12:19:20 that should work Aug 13 12:19:26 i read Aug 13 12:19:39 i used a 9.1 server last time i tried Aug 13 12:20:23 any widk experts in the house? Aug 13 12:20:57 I though it should work, I even just build the dependencies for xserver Aug 13 12:24:27 It appears no one is on :( Aug 13 12:26:03 hmm, found some old chat logs Aug 13 12:26:36 >>cryptkso... on make stage... I am getting an error, missing package fontsproto when it is trying to build x/xfonts Aug 13 12:27:00 That is the same one I am getting Aug 13 12:27:17 >>sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-core fixed it... Aug 13 12:27:33 >>I think libxfont-dev may have been the package I needed Aug 13 12:28:44 hmm Aug 13 12:28:55 also found this "make -j4 stage" for multi-core Aug 13 12:29:10 ohhh Aug 13 12:29:26 i tried the build-dep and nothing Aug 13 12:29:44 but maybe ill try "make -j4 stage" Aug 13 12:30:38 did you try sudo apt-get libxfont-dev too? Aug 13 12:33:21 not yet Aug 13 12:33:42 but i do have a dual core machine Aug 13 12:35:28 I am trying "make -j4 stage" at the moment. The libxfont-dev was already installed Aug 13 12:37:45 i gotta head out for a few but be on later to retry Aug 13 13:57:40 doing "make -j4 stage now Aug 13 13:59:27 k Aug 13 14:24:40 swisstomcat: I think it may have gotten through it this time :) Aug 13 15:18:53 yay Aug 13 15:21:17 I got past fonts proto but now I recive this and Im not sure what library is missing : checking for main in -ldotconf... no Aug 13 15:21:17 *** Required DotConf library missing! See INSTALL . Aug 13 15:21:46 Required DotConf library missing! Aug 13 15:22:09 yes, but I do not know which one? Aug 13 15:23:08 talking about version or what? Aug 13 15:23:16 the newer the better Aug 13 15:23:42 oh so the library is DotConf? Aug 13 15:24:22 can;t u read?> Aug 13 15:24:26 http://www.opentts.org/projects/dotconf here Aug 13 15:24:59 I miss read it i thought it was refering one of not just DotConf Aug 13 15:25:19 so get somebody who will read for you :S Aug 13 15:25:23 smoke time Aug 13 15:28:51 hmm Aug 13 15:28:58 somebody borked email app in 1.4.5 Aug 13 15:29:10 it dont want to show me .jpg atachments Aug 13 15:29:10 S Aug 13 15:29:11 :S Aug 13 15:30:01 what da fuck Aug 13 15:51:46 ok I have reinstalled that library twice but still get the error :S Aug 13 15:56:46 any one know hat to fix the following error: Aug 13 15:56:47 *** Required DotConf library missing! See INSTALL . Aug 13 15:56:58 I have already installed the library Aug 13 16:18:28 Hello? Aug 13 16:18:43 hi? Aug 13 16:33:31 hello! Aug 13 16:34:09 ola! Aug 13 16:35:23 hey Aug 13 17:39:40 Hello Aug 13 17:39:52 Alive anyone? Aug 13 17:40:30 Ya still here Aug 13 17:40:58 yeah Aug 13 17:41:50 any widk experts on? Aug 13 18:07:48 still no luck? Aug 13 18:08:16 no luck :( Aug 13 18:08:33 cannot get past the missing dotconf library Aug 13 18:09:42 iv reinstalled everything and followed the install file but cant get past that Aug 13 18:11:38 hmm Aug 13 18:11:41 dotconf library Aug 13 18:11:47 ya Aug 13 18:12:04 what's the error? Aug 13 18:14:16 http://pastebin.ca/1916546 Aug 13 18:14:46 hmm Aug 13 18:14:54 it's trying to build speechd Aug 13 18:16:43 i wonder why it's doing that Aug 13 18:17:24 not sure and that is where it stops Aug 13 18:19:54 trying another thing Aug 13 18:21:09 I extracted the PDK and now going to try make stage again Aug 13 18:22:49 no go Aug 13 18:22:51 :( Aug 13 18:24:06 In the pastebin, you see that it is failing right after it checks for -ldotconf and finds it to =no Aug 13 18:24:13 you need some people with widk experience Aug 13 18:24:37 can you check the directories it's trying to build Aug 13 18:24:44 This is usually where i would find them isnt it Aug 13 18:24:50 it seems it's compiling some of the projects Aug 13 18:24:59 you might be able to just leave them out Aug 13 18:25:14 speechd is a webos-internals project Aug 13 18:25:21 i wonder why it's in the widk Aug 13 18:25:31 in that case ya that is the directory its trying to build Aug 13 18:25:35 what else is in the same root directory as this speechd? Aug 13 18:25:58 /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/apps Aug 13 18:26:14 can you try to move the dirs out that do not compile? Aug 13 18:29:33 here is why it wont build Aug 13 18:29:35 /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/bin/speech-dispatcher': Permission denied Aug 13 18:30:09 oh Aug 13 18:30:32 yeah, but why would it try to even build that .. for what? Aug 13 18:30:42 you only want to do cross-compiling of your stuff Aug 13 18:30:51 but i don't know the widk well enough Aug 13 18:30:51 not sure Aug 13 18:31:30 What I did was compiled that separately and did it as sudo and it installed Aug 13 18:31:43 so now I am trying make stage again Aug 13 18:32:04 but speechd is an internals project? Aug 13 18:32:57 i think so Aug 13 18:33:13 look at the path: packages/apps Aug 13 18:34:35 am I in the right room? Aug 13 18:35:35 still failed but i will see if i can remove it and then do make stage Aug 13 18:35:51 what room are you looking for NaS ? Aug 13 18:36:55 web internals! jst started testing kernals! is this the room for kernals too? Aug 13 18:40:37 swisstomcat: apreantly build_apps/navit needs it Aug 13 18:41:08 isn't navit an internals project too? Aug 13 18:44:51 anyone else getting "This application cannot run on your current operating system" when they try and install palm apps via preware? Aug 13 18:45:15 no not yet anyways Aug 13 18:46:15 I can't install anything Aug 13 18:48:05 swisstomcat: so both those are internals projects but that is also why it will not finish comipling the cross compiler Aug 13 18:54:09 I am going to try to avoid building both those files Aug 13 19:04:20 it does not like speechd at all :( Aug 13 19:15:33 ~seen dtzWill Aug 13 19:15:37 dtzwill is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 15h 46m 47s, last said: 'Tibfib: pong'. Aug 13 19:15:51 dtzWill: Ping Aug 13 19:17:07 Can anyone tell me if i can get arround navit and speechd when installing widk Aug 13 19:17:39 bhodder: I do not get your question Aug 13 19:17:59 bhodder: do you what to compile navit by yourself? Aug 13 19:19:06 no when I am tring to compile widk I get an error at speechd Aug 13 19:19:20 so I tried removing it but navit relies on it Aug 13 19:19:54 you can remove the dependancy in the navit makefile Aug 13 19:20:03 What I want to do is get widk installed on linux Aug 13 19:20:17 but I'm not sure if navit will compile then Aug 13 19:21:07 That should have been done if the make stage tries to compile speechd Aug 13 19:21:37 the make stage 'installs' the widk and then tries to compile all stuff that is there Aug 13 19:21:39 Thats my problem speechd is saying that i am missing dotconf libray even though i installed it Aug 13 19:21:55 but what error do you get in speechd? It sould work. Aug 13 19:22:07 It does till it gets to speechd then it fails at speechd Aug 13 19:22:33 checking for main in -ldotconf... no Aug 13 19:22:33 *** Required DotConf library missing! See INSTALL . Aug 13 19:22:33 make[3]: *** [build/armv7.built] Error 1 Aug 13 19:22:33 make[3]: Leaving directory `/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/apps/speechd' Aug 13 19:22:33 make[2]: *** [build_apps/speechd] Error 2 Aug 13 19:23:16 did you try to install the DotConf that speechd is missing? Aug 13 19:24:16 I did i believe and it still gives me the error? Aug 13 19:25:20 hm, no idea at the moment. Try again here in 2-3 hours. Then the speclist should be waken up agin ;) Aug 13 19:25:37 ok Aug 13 19:25:59 do you know what DotConf speechd needs? Aug 13 19:37:21 why can't I install any apps from the palm app store? Aug 13 19:37:51 says it cannot run on my current operating system Aug 13 19:38:06 is this because of the overclocked kernel? Aug 13 19:49:51 log into your profile Aug 13 19:52:01 * Tman is doctoring Aug 13 19:56:46 I have to go cu all Aug 13 19:59:35 hape: pong. i'm tehtered via pre, so might drop out sorry, just a warning. what's up? Aug 13 20:02:41 PuffTheMagic: was that directed at me? Aug 13 20:02:52 yeah Aug 13 20:03:56 k Aug 13 20:04:48 ok, did that Aug 13 20:08:46 :/ Aug 13 20:14:25 hola Aug 13 20:21:15 PuffTheMagic: any other suggestions? Aug 13 20:21:34 run first use? Aug 13 20:26:31 ug I can't install any apps Aug 13 20:27:09 nn7: i might have missed this, but are you trying to install 1.4.5 apps on < 1.4.5? Aug 13 20:27:41 looks like I'm version 1.4.1.1 Aug 13 20:27:49 how can I get the newest version? Aug 13 20:28:09 if your carrier has it, update, but if not you're out of luck unfortunately Aug 13 20:28:26 you probably would know by now if your carrier had it Aug 13 20:28:29 :/, sorry Aug 13 20:28:51 damn you carrier and your never ending attempts to thwart my happiness Aug 13 20:29:02 ok, well, that explains it Aug 13 20:29:57 ahh.. found a thread on the verizon wireless forums complaining about it Aug 13 20:33:45 Hello, I have a patch that I can't update or remove through preware now that I'm running 1.4.5 sprint 2.5 (org.webosinternals.patches.screen-lock-no-auto-off-while-charging) and my pre hasn't been rooted. Is there a way to remove it? Aug 13 20:34:07 the IPKG log says Unreversed patch detected Aug 13 20:37:29 there is some other patch that is touching the same file Aug 13 20:37:41 some patches need to be installed/removed in certain orders Aug 13 20:37:44 Touchtouchtouch Aug 13 20:38:03 umm, I wouldn't know Aug 13 20:38:17 I can do the other patches one by one, but "update all" tries this one first. Aug 13 20:38:48 I don't want to run EPR because it would be a pain to go through the list and reinstall each patch Aug 13 20:40:40 * misterikkit is updating the rest of his patches one by one Aug 13 20:42:59 update the saved packages list first Aug 13 20:43:04 then run EPR Aug 13 20:43:10 then go into saved packages list and restore Aug 13 20:46:05 woah, that is a handy feature Aug 13 20:46:29 been there for a while Aug 13 20:46:39 I don't pay attention. (= Aug 13 20:46:53 does it save the list to a text file in the usb partition? Aug 13 20:47:29 not sure, but the save/restore app can back it up Aug 13 20:48:00 sweet Aug 13 20:51:17 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/253860-attention-patches-must-removed-prior-ota-update.html Aug 13 20:53:48 egaudet: Thanks! Aug 13 20:56:35 yeah, there are a few patches that don't play nice Aug 13 20:58:34 Hi, I just updated to recent govnah from testing feed, now I see two new options, temp limit and temp reset. default for temp limit is 55, temp reset is 50. what happens at those? Aug 13 21:34:48 1.4.5 is kinda faster Aug 13 21:38:55 dtzWill: Saw that gameboyadvance is on the way to the app catalog as paid app. Was there any Problems? Dose this fit with the GPL? Aug 13 21:39:29 dtzWill: I ask with Navit in the mind. Would perhpas be an idea to to get some mony back to the Navit team Aug 13 21:52:09 hape: legally you can sell GPL code just fine--you ust have to make the source available. IANAL but hosting it in the git repo should satisfy that nicely Aug 13 21:52:36 hape: morally, contributing to those who wrote it might be a nice step. Aug 13 21:56:18 hi everyone :) Aug 13 22:00:43 okay battery dying, ttyl :) Aug 13 22:01:14 dtzWill: thanks, by Aug 13 22:02:41 i havent been in this irc channel in forever. Aug 13 22:16:13 How is 1.4.5 stability-wise? Aug 13 22:16:20 I'm still running 1.4.0. Aug 13 22:22:58 (And it's about as stable as a drunkard driving a New York City ferry.) Aug 13 22:32:48 I am on 1.4.5 with warthog and it seems fine Aug 13 22:35:42 Warthog? Aug 13 22:43:08 OC Kernel Aug 13 22:43:28 the aftermarket kernels have alot of optimizations (at least the WOSI ones do) Aug 13 22:43:42 Ah, I see. Aug 13 22:43:45 Nifty. Aug 13 22:43:58 if you want to get into it I would start with UberKernel Aug 13 22:44:00 I'm trying to decide whether to replace my damaged Pre or to switch to Android. :-P Aug 13 22:44:01 it is the most stable Aug 13 22:44:14 all of the others are experimental where we are trying new things Aug 13 22:44:27 Hrm. I should give it a shot. Aug 13 22:45:54 installable through preware Aug 13 23:07:40 after having an evo for some time...ive determined webos needs widgets Aug 13 23:12:10 I was talking about that the other day Aug 13 23:12:13 http://jquerymobile.com/2010/08/announcing-the-jquery-mobile-project/ Aug 13 23:12:47 well, something similar... interactive wallpapers Aug 13 23:13:08 basically draw icons on the wallpaper and have a custom service to intercept taps to know if you tapped one Aug 13 23:15:37 they use the Pixi as their example phone <3 Aug 13 23:19:46 yeah. that was interesting Aug 13 23:19:52 probably because palm is sponsoring it Aug 13 23:21:37 even then, if Palm was sponsoring I'm surprised they didn't use a Pre (which is a lot more iconic than the Pixi) Aug 13 23:23:44 ~seen chrisa Aug 13 23:23:49 chrisa is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 22h 38m 4s, last said: 'I preferred when we had it be the droid animation'. Aug 13 23:26:31 http://jquerymobile.com/designs/ Aug 13 23:26:35 that pesky chrisa Aug 13 23:26:44 unfortunately, these all look iphone/ipad centric Aug 13 23:26:49 geist: =) Aug 13 23:27:44 yeah, but I won't argue that they at least look good ;p Aug 13 23:27:46 ~seen chuqui Aug 13 23:27:47 chuqui <~chuqui@palm-64-28-152-131.palm.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 6h 54m 14s ago, saying: 'hello!'. Aug 13 23:30:36 hmmm? Aug 13 23:43:40 chrisA: you were momentarily needed Aug 13 23:43:57 whew, I'm glad that passed Aug 13 23:56:55 lol Aug 13 23:57:24 im not saying that chrisa is dead to me now that the moment has passed Aug 14 00:09:26 hi everyone Aug 14 00:09:30 hi Aug 14 00:10:02 finally got preware on after 4 days of not having it Aug 14 00:10:35 it's a big shock to not have it, isn't it? haha Aug 14 00:10:47 did the kernel testing feeds go priv? Aug 14 00:11:07 there's apparently some bug with the webserver last I heard Aug 14 00:11:38 yeah but try going without QEUO on the keyboard. had to get a new pre Aug 14 00:12:12 so the actual server is preware.is.awesome.com? Aug 14 00:12:42 not to my knowledge (which isn't much) Aug 14 00:13:09 that's what 2 pages have said. Aug 14 00:13:40 link? I'm curious now Aug 14 00:13:50 the feed Aug 14 00:14:17 the pages that have said that Aug 14 00:15:15 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 14 00:16:48 at the bottom in place of the feed they put preware.is.awesome.com as the feed Aug 14 00:17:37 interesting, I've never noticed that D: Aug 14 00:17:43 I don't really know what to say Aug 14 00:21:15 I know the different ones I just don't which one to add. I have 1.4.1.1 but who has. 1.4.1.3 Aug 14 00:21:42 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.1.1/ Aug 14 00:22:01 1.4.1.3 was an ATT build that wasn't released aside from on their phones Aug 14 00:23:05 I will just try 1.4.1.1 then. but I remember before you just had testing at the end. Aug 14 00:24:56 verizon is pissing me off with this waiting for 1.4.5 Aug 14 00:28:34 yeah Aug 14 00:30:10 I got the feed working Aug 14 00:31:41 I wonder if this new pre+ is able to handle SR71 kernel. my other one was too weak Aug 14 00:32:06 my girlfriend's couldn't even handle the 720mhz overclock kernel :< Aug 14 00:32:18 that sucks Aug 14 00:32:45 I ran warthog at 1050 just fine Aug 14 00:34:39 it was more a GPU thing I think Aug 14 00:34:42 video tearing real bad Aug 14 00:34:43 really wish I could use the new wirc :( Aug 14 00:36:14 I do too, and I'm -on- 1.4.5 ;p Aug 14 00:36:31 lol why don't it work for you Aug 14 00:37:41 halfhalo was it you that also had an issue with the new wirc a while back? Aug 14 00:38:10 I'm on a Pixi :< Aug 14 00:38:13 hybrid apps won't run Aug 14 00:38:28 ohh that sucks Aug 14 00:38:50 but you get pdk games now Aug 14 00:41:42 well I am going to go install some homebrew see ya later Aug 14 01:02:26 wow this new pre+ isn't as weak as my old pre+ running SR71 blazing. Aug 14 01:06:13 no tearing with pdk games either Aug 14 01:07:52 hey any widk experts on Aug 14 01:09:07 bhodder: somewhat Aug 14 01:09:09 whatcha need? Aug 14 01:11:14 trying to install it on ubuntu and I get to speechd when doing make stage and it fails Aug 14 01:11:30 it says mising dotconf even though it is installed Aug 14 01:11:35 move any folders that don't build for you into the nonworking folder Aug 14 01:11:43 yeah, something isn't right with it then Aug 14 01:11:52 oh ok Aug 14 01:12:05 when you move speechd you will probably need to move navit there as well Aug 14 01:12:07 I moved it and then navit complained? Aug 14 01:12:13 navit has a depends on speechd Aug 14 01:12:14 ahh ok Aug 14 01:12:21 move navit there as well Aug 14 01:12:33 ok just to any non working folder Aug 14 01:13:10 no, under packages Aug 14 01:13:14 there is a nonworking folder Aug 14 01:13:16 ohhh ok Aug 14 01:13:20 put them in there Aug 14 01:13:30 the makefile doesn't process anything in that folder Aug 14 01:13:53 so while we are setting things up for the WIDK they go in there, or if things break they go in there Aug 14 01:14:07 you can also move anything in there that you don't need Aug 14 01:14:21 so if you aren't going to be doing any opengl stuff then you can move dev-gl into there Aug 14 01:14:25 saves time on the make stage Aug 14 01:14:29 oh ok Aug 14 01:14:38 you can also do make staging-armv7 and only build the stuff for the pre Aug 14 01:14:46 or use staging-armv6 to only do pixi Aug 14 01:14:57 otherwise it does them both (and takes twice as long because of it Aug 14 01:15:14 now speechd is in there is it some where else they aare aswell? Aug 14 01:15:20 oh ok Aug 14 01:17:53 for some reason they are in packages but it is stil trying to build them? Aug 14 01:19:35 you say the make stage doesnt touch the packages dir? Aug 14 01:22:54 cryptk: ever see this error: Aug 14 01:22:56 ocal/share/pkgconfig make PREFIX=/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.speechd AUDIO="" all ) Aug 14 01:22:56 sb2: Error: No target specified and none set as default, aborting. Aug 14 01:23:27 what command did you give it? Aug 14 01:23:41 was it during make stage? Aug 14 01:23:42 make staging-armv7 Aug 14 01:23:47 yup Aug 14 01:23:51 what folder were you in when you ran that? Aug 14 01:24:37 "srv/preware/cross-compile" Aug 14 01:25:12 and you moved speechd to /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/nonworking/ Aug 14 01:29:52 I did and here is the errors Aug 14 01:29:55 http://www.pastebin.ca/1916735 Aug 14 01:30:11 lemme take a look Aug 14 01:30:17 k Aug 14 01:30:27 can you give me more of the log Aug 14 01:30:40 go back a bit further (include what you already gave me) Aug 14 01:31:30 sure Aug 14 01:31:32 http://www.pastebin.ca/1916737 Aug 14 01:32:53 yes, move ecore to nonworking Aug 14 01:33:00 that will probably break some other things as well Aug 14 01:33:07 which then will also get moved to nonworking Aug 14 01:33:14 ohh ok Aug 14 01:33:18 we need to go through and fix some things evidentally Aug 14 01:33:45 ok, well once i have this working if there is any way i can help im more then willing Aug 14 01:33:50 anything that is not working for more than one person, move it to nonworking. Aug 14 01:35:38 efreet requires ecore Aug 14 01:35:56 everything in dev-e likely will Aug 14 01:36:05 you can move all of dev-e to nonworking Aug 14 01:36:19 unless you are working on porting the enlightenment window manager to the pre Aug 14 01:36:30 nope Aug 14 01:37:01 ok, leave ecore in dev-e then and move all of dev-e there Aug 14 01:37:10 that will save alot of time on the make stage as well Aug 14 01:37:28 I pretty much move anything I'm not working with into nonworking just to save time Aug 14 01:37:50 ya, dev-gl/glues-demos fails too Aug 14 01:37:57 I only have common, dev-lang, host and media in mine Aug 14 01:38:04 since that is all I need for what I am doing with it Aug 14 01:38:47 I never type make stage outside of the specific package that I want to compile Aug 14 01:39:03 if the dependencies for that package are set up correctly, it will only build what it needs Aug 14 01:39:32 oh ok Aug 14 01:40:17 do you need dev-sdl/libsdl-vnc? Aug 14 01:54:48 once make stage succeds what is suppose to be done nect Aug 14 01:56:00 nothing Aug 14 01:57:24 awesome Aug 14 01:57:25 :) Aug 14 01:57:37 finally ive been fight with this for 2 days Aug 14 01:58:19 what's your end goal? Aug 14 01:59:32 well I would like to start working on apps but I am farly new to WebOS so need to learn some things first Aug 14 02:04:29 WIDK is not really the place to learn WebOS ... Aug 14 02:04:55 where is good to start then? Aug 14 02:10:56 Bhodder: you have to bend over and let webos internals spank you first and then you can join the bandwagon Aug 14 02:11:14 lol ok Aug 14 02:11:31 guess thats what it takes :S Aug 14 02:11:37 That's our tradition. The way we govern our community. Aug 14 02:12:21 Bare naked butt you have to ready. Question is.. Are you ready? Aug 14 02:12:50 ... Aug 14 02:12:59 I guess not Aug 14 02:13:02 believe so Aug 14 02:13:20 lets have it Aug 14 02:14:53 palmpreuser1001, how long have you been involved Aug 14 02:18:25 bhodder: Aug 14 02:18:26 you'll be contacted by Inspector Rock. Arthur Rock. He'll be posing as a politician. Aug 14 02:18:34 Bhodder: As far as the swinging goes, I'm not involved. But Ive been tipped off on what goes on behind closed doors. That's all I can tell u Aug 14 02:18:36 lol ok Aug 14 02:19:03 ohhh ok Aug 14 02:19:18 Beware of the fruit. Aug 14 02:20:12 You don't want a piece of that fruit especially comin from behind you. Aug 14 02:20:36 So where is a good place to start Aug 14 02:21:24 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page Aug 14 02:22:50 I gotta restart. Let me know when you see a google voice app in the repository. Brb Aug 14 02:23:14 ~seen swisstomcat Aug 14 02:23:15 swisstomcat <~tomcat@gw.ptr-80-238-228-20.customer.ch.netstream.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 7h 49m 59s ago, saying: 'look at the path: packages/apps'. Aug 14 02:24:09 sure thing **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 14 02:59:57 2010