**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 15 02:59:57 2010
Aug 15 03:06:53 <Anivrom> bye bye
Aug 15 03:07:48 <cryptk> uhm.... bye?
Aug 15 03:09:05 <Anivrom> oh haha
Aug 15 03:09:08 <Anivrom> Thought I was in webos
Aug 15 03:09:09 <Anivrom> <3
Aug 15 03:09:23 <cryptk> nope, your in the better version of webos
Aug 15 03:09:25 <cryptk> lol
Aug 15 03:15:32 <Anivrom> haha
Aug 15 03:20:59 <austin187>  
Aug 15 05:17:32 * kesne pokes his head in to look.d
Aug 15 05:17:38 <kesne> ARG, random D.
Aug 15 05:23:36 <MLJ> Hi all.  My Pre just had the random "sign out of palm profile and reset" issue.  Is there anything I can submit to help the community out?
Aug 15 06:06:56 <k|> wtf... 1.4.5 just killed most of my preware apps
Aug 15 06:07:36 <kesne> k|: How so?
Aug 15 06:08:47 <k|> most of my patches arent available... hold on...let me restar...
Aug 15 06:08:52 <k|> brb
Aug 15 06:15:08 <k|> uhuh--.. patches have failed...
Aug 15 06:15:36 <k|> whatever... i'll figure it out
Aug 15 06:23:11 <k|> thx but nvm..  just have to update pkgs
Aug 15 06:23:55 <k|> so  imma finish up the rest.... thx all
Aug 15 06:24:09 <k|> bye!
Aug 15 06:38:36 <k|> looking good...
Aug 15 07:35:00 <jhojho> question for any palm employees: any particular reason why the 1.4.5 update would result in the camera app saying "Unable to take picture"? I see this on 2 phones.
Aug 15 07:53:43 <jhojho> getting a ton of these.
Aug 15 07:53:47 <jhojho> 2010-08-15T07:52:39.632751Z [389] palm-webos-device user.notice audiod: _connectSocket: connect error 'Connection refused' on fd (15)
Aug 15 08:43:29 <jhojho> LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: void CpuShareManager::writeEntry(const char*, int): Failed to open cpu share file: /dev/cgroup/game/cpu.shares
Aug 15 08:44:02 <jhojho> ummm palm? what is lunasysmgr looking for /dev/cgroup/game/cpu.shares when it doesnt exist?
Aug 15 08:44:23 <cryptk> good question
Aug 15 08:45:16 <jhojho> can you grep for all user.crit errors in messages?
Aug 15 08:45:30 <jhojho> see if you see anything like 2010-08-15T08:23:32.922790Z [2242] palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.preware: Error: EXCEPTION [infoLoad#parse (com.palm.futurepr0n.batterymonitorplus)], (SyntaxError): "Unexpected identifier", palmInitFramework347:2527
Aug 15 08:46:02 <cryptk> yep
Aug 15 08:46:08 <cryptk> I have many
Aug 15 08:47:29 <cryptk> 6 of them (well 6 different ones
Aug 15 08:47:36 <cryptk> they fire off when I do a feed update
Aug 15 08:47:47 <cryptk> right when it loads the feeds at the end
Aug 15 08:48:00 <cryptk> there go's a couple more
Aug 15 13:56:57 <bgp> okay I installed the blackbird kernel and now I have endless reboots, how can I get the phone to talk to my pc again so I can doctor it?
Aug 15 14:32:27 <rwhitby> bgp: recovery page on webos-internals.org
Aug 15 14:34:18 <bgp> thanks I just went through the steps again and I got it working
Aug 15 14:34:28 <bgp> freezer for the win
Aug 15 14:55:59 <Manny151> use dashboard is unavailable
Aug 15 15:11:37 <jettero> anyone happen to know what "as items arrive" does if the imap server doesn't support RFC2177 IDLE commands?
Aug 15 15:16:39 <MLJ> Hey all, my device was randomly signed out of my palm profile.  Before doctoring it I copied all the USB files to my computer.  Can someone how to update the save/restore list in preware to get all my patches etc back?
Aug 15 15:16:58 <rwhitby> ~hgoh
Aug 15 15:16:59 <infobot> [hgoh] the Holy Grail of Homebrew, which can be found at http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew
Aug 15 15:19:37 <MLJ> rwhitby: Thanks, I beileve I have a backup of all my apps on my desktop.  Its just that the install all button doesn't have the info of all my apps on my Pre.  So I need to know which file to take from my desktop to my Pre.
Aug 15 15:24:54 <MLJ> rwhitby: You see becuase after the WebOS doctor, I reinstalled preware... and on initial load it says "Wrote Saved Package List"  thus I beileve the saved package list on my Pre only has my Palm Profile apps.  Rather than the homebrew apps I backed up previously.
Aug 15 15:25:28 <rwhitby> correct, and as the instructions i linked to say, then you restore that list from save/restore
Aug 15 15:26:16 <MLJ> I must have read through them to fast.  I will try again.  Thanks.
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Aug 15 15:30:57 <sugardave> shit, wrong channel
Aug 15 15:31:00 <sugardave> sorry guys
Aug 15 15:31:31 <oil> OMG!
Aug 15 15:31:45 * sugardave hangs his head in shame.
Aug 15 15:31:50 <oil> its ok
Aug 15 15:32:06 <oil> is this app by you?
Aug 15 15:32:10 <sugardave> yeah
Aug 15 15:32:21 <sugardave> it's pretty lightweight right now
Aug 15 15:33:21 <rwhitby> but at least it's a single app, not 50
Aug 15 15:33:42 <sugardave> rwhitby: true, it was shaping up to be 12 if broken out by conference :D
Aug 15 15:33:52 <sugardave> but now it is one
Aug 15 15:33:57 <oil> lol
Aug 15 15:34:03 <oil> thank god its only one
Aug 15 15:34:05 <sugardave> heh
Aug 15 15:34:09 * rwhitby is pleased to have done his bit for app catalog sanity
Aug 15 15:34:25 <sugardave> you can all thank rwhitby for giving me a sanity check :D
Aug 15 15:34:29 <oil> lol
Aug 15 15:35:13 <MLJ> rwhitby: I was missing Part of the 9th step (I didn't restart Preware after restoring Preware's data from the save/restore app).  Anyhow during the install all, I got an error.  Is there any info from the log that you would like to see?
Aug 15 15:35:38 <rwhitby> MLJ: just swipe to delete the problematic app, then restart preware, then try again
Aug 15 15:35:56 <rwhitby> the restart is important, cause the swipe to delete has a bug
Aug 15 15:36:07 <MLJ> Understood.
Aug 15 15:36:18 <oil> :/
Aug 15 15:48:42 <jbjohnso_> ipkg won't install armv7 ipks for me, advice?
Aug 15 15:49:53 <jbjohnso_> it's like ipkg recognizes arm as a supported arch, but not armv7...
Aug 15 15:52:26 <jettero> isn't the pixi armv6?
Aug 15 15:52:32 <jettero> I don't actually know... but I thought so
Aug 15 15:53:10 <bpadalino> yeah it isn't armv7
Aug 15 15:53:33 <jbjohnso_> this is pre
Aug 15 15:53:43 <rwhitby> jbjohnso_: use Preware to install it
Aug 15 15:53:43 <jbjohnso_> a sprint pre to be precise
Aug 15 15:53:56 <jbjohnso_> rwhitby, yeah, it induces the ipkg log failure
Aug 15 15:54:22 <jbjohnso_> rwhitby, i.e. 'quick install', preware, ipkg by hand, all say the same thing...
Aug 15 15:54:30 <rwhitby> then your ipkg is malformed
Aug 15 15:54:45 <jbjohnso_> # ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install /media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.patch_2.5.9-4_armv7.ipk
Aug 15 15:55:01 <jbjohnso_> Cannot find package org.webosinternals.patch.
Aug 15 15:55:19 <jbjohnso_> # md5sum /media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.patch_2.5.9-4_armv7.ipk
Aug 15 15:55:19 <jbjohnso_> 04e65d2b11c8fec89347313d73601b12  /media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.patch_2.5.9-4_armv7.ipk
Aug 15 15:55:35 <jbjohnso_> that was the ipk file that preware downloaded
Aug 15 15:55:37 <rwhitby> show me the log from preware.  all other installation methods are inferior
Aug 15 15:56:05 <jbjohnso_> rwhitby, ok, will pastebin the log as emailed by preware
Aug 15 15:56:08 <rwhitby> ok
Aug 15 15:56:43 <jbjohnso_> rwhitby, http://pastebin.com/QnUL7hJH
Aug 15 15:57:11 <jbjohnso_> I see an 'arch.conf' in some people's /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg, I don't have that file
Aug 15 15:57:28 <jbjohnso_> rwhitby, that one was for vba, but same for lsdiff, patch
Aug 15 15:57:31 <rwhitby> you need to install preware correctly then
Aug 15 15:57:48 <rwhitby> arch.conf is required for arch-specific files
Aug 15 15:58:13 <jbjohnso_> rwhitby, how would it have not made it?  I used preware's installer (admittedly, months ago), and used preware to upgrade itself
Aug 15 15:58:28 <jbjohnso_> rwhitby, could you pastebin the right contents of arch.conf?
Aug 15 15:58:58 <rwhitby> jbjohnso_: dunno, but it is installed by preware's postinst script
Aug 15 15:59:40 <rwhitby> it's a copy of  /etc/ipkg/arch.conf
Aug 15 15:59:51 <jbjohnso_> rwhitby, I don't have that either
Aug 15 16:00:17 * jbjohnso_ wonders if he is the only one to have a pre since last june that has never resorted to webos doctor..
Aug 15 16:00:31 <rwhitby> jbjohnso_: that file has been there from day 1
Aug 15 16:00:36 <rwhitby> so you're removed it somehow
Aug 15 16:00:44 <jbjohnso_> hmm, my root has no /etc/ipkg directory at all
Aug 15 16:01:13 <rwhitby> your device is in bad shape
Aug 15 16:05:59 <jbjohnso_> ok, copied arch.conf from another pre and all is well
Aug 15 17:08:08 <spoonb0t> is there any hackery that will allow one to open multiple instances of an application?
Aug 15 17:08:17 <spoonb0t> specifically classic
Aug 15 17:09:56 <dtzWill> spoonb0t: idk about classic in particular but in general i think you can just make multiple copies and give them different appid's
Aug 15 17:10:31 <oil> classic may be different because so much of it is actually in the os
Aug 15 17:10:58 <oil> but its certainly worth a shot
Aug 15 17:12:30 <spoonb0t> and one more question... is there some way to make webos not wipe yourphone when you use a different sim card?
Aug 15 17:13:10 <spoonb0t> that just got me last nigt. now i have a half baked phone. sad.
Aug 15 17:20:46 <dtzWill> oil: agreed, and for all i know it has some copy protection that won't like different app id.
Aug 15 17:20:54 <dtzWill> but i have no idea, i'd just try it and see :).
Aug 15 19:48:58 <Robi_> rwhitby: i'm not sure @prewarelawyer understands what you told him about auto-install of preware
Aug 15 19:49:28 <Robi_> i have a minor correction for preware.org text.. who can I send the note?
Aug 15 22:39:13 <soonerfan0k> Could someone please tell me where the launcher icon is stored?
Aug 16 01:41:51 <RagingMind> verizon website says the pre plus is out of stock
Aug 16 01:47:35 <SineOt> interesting
Aug 16 01:53:17 <soonerfan0k> I wish the pre wasnt so behind the curve
Aug 16 01:54:14 * oil never feels his phone is "behind the curve"
Aug 16 01:55:25 <SineOt> the only thing that makes me feel that way... is that the Sprint Pixi doesn't have Wifi :C
Aug 16 01:55:25 <soonerfan0k> the pre is like an old trusted horse that love and cherish and have had lots of great adventures with, but at the end of the day its an aging horse
Aug 16 01:57:13 <SineOt> eh
Aug 16 01:57:31 <SineOt> there's a lot of stuff that would be nice but I don't really think I'd say "omg must have"
Aug 16 01:57:50 <soonerfan0k> I love my pre and am keeping it
Aug 16 01:58:46 <SineOt> saying it's an aging horse kind of implies that there's some must have feature you think it's missing compared to the current crop, though
Aug 16 01:59:05 <soonerfan0k> well just hardware outdated
Aug 16 01:59:16 <Anivrom> yea hardware wise its got a fwe missing features
Aug 16 01:59:20 <Anivrom> screensize etc
Aug 16 01:59:23 <Kyusaku> I love WebOS, but not my Pre, it's showing signs of age
Aug 16 01:59:29 <soonerfan0k> and the webos could use a boost
Aug 16 01:59:40 <Anivrom> The touchscreen technology needs to be seriously updated in the next release
Aug 16 01:59:43 <Anivrom> along with ui smoothness
Aug 16 01:59:47 <Anivrom> Iphone rapes pre in that ares
Aug 16 01:59:49 <Anivrom> area too
Aug 16 02:00:04 <SineOt> touchscreen technology? like what
Aug 16 02:00:08 <soonerfan0k> if it wasnt for webos-internals I would have thrown my pre away months ago
Aug 16 02:00:12 <Anivrom> like tap recognition
Aug 16 02:00:17 <Anivrom> and drag recognition
Aug 16 02:00:38 <Anivrom> As a developer its frustrating when you get random taps all over the screen and when drag events dont start/stop when they should
Aug 16 02:00:52 <soonerfan0k> lack of usefull apps is REALLY annoying
Aug 16 02:01:23 <Anivrom> they need to update their algorithms or something cause iphone has very accurate touchscreen
Aug 16 02:01:34 <Anivrom> I think its more an algorithm issue but who knows
Aug 16 02:01:43 <Anivrom> I dont know muych about hardware except for what I read on wikipedia :P
Aug 16 02:01:59 <soonerfan0k> but webos-internals is what makes it a device worth keeping
Aug 16 02:02:11 <SineOt> I think that's more an issue of webOS and the touch driver than the screen itself though
Aug 16 02:02:37 <soonerfan0k> I feel like the more time passes the more webos-internals steps in to pick up palms slack, and that isnt cool
Aug 16 02:02:52 <oil> its hella cool!
Aug 16 02:03:13 <soonerfan0k> its like they just kinda lost heart with webos and are meh
Aug 16 02:03:25 <oil> well, they did get bought by another company, lol
Aug 16 02:03:33 <soonerfan0k> yeah I know
Aug 16 02:03:35 <SineOt> yeah, since webos internals doesn't have to deal with pesky stuff like "carrier approval" and "extensive quality assurance"
Aug 16 02:03:37 <SineOt> lol
Aug 16 02:04:43 <soonerfan0k> well I am probaobly going to get an htc device when the next batch hit, whatever the upgraded evo is
Aug 16 02:05:05 <soonerfan0k> and use my pre as a backup device/ mid
Aug 16 02:05:28 * oil will use his pre till next webos phone comes out
Aug 16 02:05:53 * soonerfan0k is afraid the next webos phone will be meh
Aug 16 02:06:05 <SineOt> the way I've looked at it is really just that Palm hasn't stopped caring, it's just that when a company of <1000 people spread between X Y and Z... You can't really go and just do everything
Aug 16 02:06:18 <soonerfan0k> not because webos but because of Hpalm
Aug 16 02:06:46 <SineOt> at this point it's pretty hard to say
Aug 16 02:06:46 <bpadalino> hardware cycles are longer than HP has owned palm .. by a long time
Aug 16 02:07:03 <bpadalino> just getting a good bsp for a processor takes a long time
Aug 16 02:07:03 <SineOt> but yeah, anything that would be coming out would probably have been designed long before the buy out
Aug 16 02:07:08 <oil> im sur ehte next device will be more palm and less hp
Aug 16 02:07:28 <oil> they've probably been working on it for a while before they got bought
Aug 16 02:07:31 <Decimate> i just installed a patch for the first time, and it says its all transfered, but its been installing for like, 5 minutes
Aug 16 02:07:38 <Decimate> should i be concerned?
Aug 16 02:07:53 <soonerfan0k> well I hope they anounce something because they really need to roll something out
Aug 16 02:08:09 <PuffTheMagic> oil: i think u are wrong
Aug 16 02:08:17 <PuffTheMagic> what ever palm was working on was probably wimax
Aug 16 02:08:24 <PuffTheMagic> which is gonna lose to lte
Aug 16 02:08:29 <PuffTheMagic> they prob scrapped that
Aug 16 02:08:34 <PuffTheMagic> and are on yet another device
Aug 16 02:08:39 <PuffTheMagic> which isnt close to being out
Aug 16 02:08:43 <Kyusaku> WiMAX2 is coming
Aug 16 02:08:57 <oil> that makes no sense
Aug 16 02:08:59 <SineOt> with how well the Evo's been selling on Sprint, I kind of doubt they'd just have tossed it out
Aug 16 02:09:05 <oil> they were "working on wimax"?
Aug 16 02:09:08 <soonerfan0k> I feel like iphone is going to have a legit version of flash before webos at this rate, and ol steve said no flash....
Aug 16 02:09:14 <oil> isnt that the case of getting the right chip and sticking it in?
Aug 16 02:09:31 <oil> doesn't seem like something they would completely design in-house
Aug 16 02:09:50 <oil> seems outside thier scope
Aug 16 02:09:50 <soonerfan0k> I wish palm had been bought by htc
Aug 16 02:10:33 <bpadalino> htc is lame - they can't even commit to supporting android for their platforms ..
Aug 16 02:10:34 <Kyusaku> I don't
Aug 16 02:10:53 <soonerfan0k> if htc had an os they would support it...
Aug 16 02:11:07 <SineOt> like they're doing with that one HTC dumb phone? :p
Aug 16 02:11:18 <SineOt> the one running some Sense BREW hybrid monster
Aug 16 02:11:26 <SineOt> that got used on... one phone
Aug 16 02:11:34 <soonerfan0k> htc doesnt own its own os
Aug 16 02:11:35 <PuffTheMagic> oil: well i dont mean a new design from ground up
Aug 16 02:11:55 <PuffTheMagic> but, they def arent as close as you imply
Aug 16 02:12:51 <oil> well they said tablet in q1 2011
Aug 16 02:12:59 <oil> id hope the next phone comes out before then
Aug 16 02:13:05 <PuffTheMagic> yeah that is hp though
Aug 16 02:13:10 <oil> palm is hp!
Aug 16 02:13:11 <PuffTheMagic> i thought we were talking about next palm device
Aug 16 02:13:12 <oil> lol
Aug 16 02:13:14 <PuffTheMagic> baaa
Aug 16 02:13:20 * soonerfan0k me was also promised flash a year ago
Aug 16 02:13:21 <PuffTheMagic> says who
Aug 16 02:13:31 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ oil
Aug 16 02:13:33 <oil> says their new letterhead?
Aug 16 02:13:35 <oil> idk
Aug 16 02:13:46 <PuffTheMagic> u dont think palm phones will still come out
Aug 16 02:13:52 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think hp is gonna make any phones
Aug 16 02:14:11 <Kyusaku> I expect to see a new device with the upcoming major update.
Aug 16 02:14:21 <SineOt> the only person that said that was Hurd, and he kind of got sacked and mocked a ton for saying dumb stuff to the press though
Aug 16 02:14:31 <oil> no, i do think more webos phones will come out
Aug 16 02:14:43 <PuffTheMagic> sure
Aug 16 02:14:47 <PuffTheMagic> webos phones will come out
Aug 16 02:14:55 <PuffTheMagic> as palm phones
Aug 16 02:15:04 * oil has no clue
Aug 16 02:15:19 <oil> lets argue more about something neither of us knows anything about
Aug 16 02:15:23 <oil> that sounds like a fun afternoon
Aug 16 02:15:31 <SineOt> wait what
Aug 16 02:15:33 <punzada> I
Aug 16 02:15:33 * oil goes to get food
Aug 16 02:15:38 <bpadalino> it just means we can keep arguing and no one is right :)
Aug 16 02:15:39 <SineOt> have you just been arguing semantics :C
Aug 16 02:15:40 <PuffTheMagic> oil: how about lisp for our wirc script backend ?
Aug 16 02:16:39 <oil> there are more important things to do then scripting support
Aug 16 02:16:52 <Anivrom> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIWMrK67_bk&NR=1 whats the name of the song at 2:10?
Aug 16 02:17:04 <PuffTheMagic> oil: u cant think in parallel?
Aug 16 02:17:13 <Decimate> i have an evo :)
Aug 16 02:17:17 <Decimate> using my pre as a replacement right now.
Aug 16 02:17:31 <oil> i can
Aug 16 02:17:35 <oil> can you code in parallel?
Aug 16 02:18:02 <soonerfan0k> decimate do you not like your evo?
Aug 16 02:18:07 <punzada> Im most likely picking up an epic at the end of the month, still trying to decide
Aug 16 02:18:23 <Anivrom> im definately sticking with webos
Aug 16 02:18:51 <punzada> I love webos but the inner geek makes me want to try the android platform for awhile, my pre will still make a good wifi device
Aug 16 02:18:52 <Decimate> soonerfan0k: i love it....so much more than my pre.
Aug 16 02:18:57 <soonerfan0k> punz I spent a great amount of time on evo vs epic I decided on the evo
Aug 16 02:18:59 * oil relly goes to get food now
Aug 16 02:19:06 <Decimate> punzada: i felt the same way, try it. and get the evo, not the epic.
Aug 16 02:19:16 <punzada> why the evo and not the epic?
Aug 16 02:19:18 <soonerfan0k> I am going to an evo soon
Aug 16 02:19:30 <Decimate> ehh, i just dont like slider keyboards.
Aug 16 02:19:41 <punzada> oh, I do like hardware keyboards
Aug 16 02:19:48 <punzada> hence why i got the pre from the get go lol
Aug 16 02:19:50 <soonerfan0k> well it has .3 more screen, 2x rom and a much larger dev community
Aug 16 02:19:57 <SineOt> and Sense
Aug 16 02:20:00 <SineOt> don't forget Sense D:
Aug 16 02:20:06 <soonerfan0k> and it isnt samsung
Aug 16 02:20:06 <punzada> it has a much larger dev community because ... it
Aug 16 02:20:10 <punzada> its been released
Aug 16 02:20:12 <punzada> lol
Aug 16 02:20:16 <Decimate> soonerfan0k: exactly. and yes, regardless of what people say, sense is AMAZING. i love it.
Aug 16 02:20:25 <SineOt> and it isn't samsung, who did a lot of stupid stuff with the Moment
Aug 16 02:20:33 <SineOt> and could do the same for the Epic
Aug 16 02:20:46 <punzada> couldnt i just custom install a rom with sense later on? dont they cook up roms like that
Aug 16 02:20:59 <soonerfan0k> samsung wont support their devices
Aug 16 02:21:18 <soonerfan0k> they drop em and move on
Aug 16 02:21:22 <Anivrom> samsung makes GARBAGE devices. both my wifes samsung phones crapped out on her
Aug 16 02:21:30 <soonerfan0k> and the devs arent lining up for the epic
Aug 16 02:21:47 <punzada> has the fps issue been fixed with the evo?
Aug 16 02:21:49 <Decimate> the evo is amazing. the epic is ugly
Aug 16 02:21:59 <Decimate> punzada, it can be fixed with stable custom kernels
Aug 16 02:22:10 <soonerfan0k> well rooted it has been fixed
Aug 16 02:22:10 <Decimate> and since htc released the source for the latest kernel, its totally stable
Aug 16 02:22:17 <soonerfan0k> like 1.8 months ago
Aug 16 02:22:18 <punzada> nice
Aug 16 02:22:20 <punzada> very nice
Aug 16 02:22:20 <SineOt> HTC won't fix it since they say it's an issue with the HDMI out
Aug 16 02:22:26 <SineOt> so custom is the only way to fix that
Aug 16 02:22:38 <soonerfan0k> my friend is running like 50 something fps
Aug 16 02:22:40 <Decimate> idk why you wouldnt root an evo.
Aug 16 02:22:58 <soonerfan0k> for sure
Aug 16 02:22:59 <SineOt> you don't know how, don't know better, or just don't care? ;p
Aug 16 02:23:12 <soonerfan0k> rooted phones are the only way to go
Aug 16 02:23:29 <soonerfan0k> but no phone can compare to webos-internals community
Aug 16 02:23:42 <punzada> I feel like having a galaxy s on every carrier would bring with it lots of community support
Aug 16 02:24:05 <soonerfan0k> maybe
Aug 16 02:24:11 <Decimate> the evo is just an amazing phone
Aug 16 02:24:20 <Decimate> im happy the epic will have qik video chat as well...
Aug 16 02:24:36 <soonerfan0k> it really is, but try both of them
Aug 16 02:24:44 <punzada> Im just trying to figure out if the epic has that same video out through 3.5mm that the other galaxies have
Aug 16 02:24:48 <SineOt> punzada: yeah, but there's already a ton more Sense/HTC devices out there ;p
Aug 16 02:24:48 <punzada> that would be clutch
Aug 16 02:25:19 <Decimate> if you dont like sense, cyanogen released a rc2 of cyanogen 6 for the evo today :)
Aug 16 02:25:35 <punzada> last htc device I had .. granted for its time it was nice ... I guess ... but I wasn
Aug 16 02:25:40 <punzada> wasnt super impresseed
Aug 16 02:25:43 <punzada> impressed even
Aug 16 02:25:46 <SineOt> what was it?
Aug 16 02:25:49 <soonerfan0k> its comes down to screen both size and type, vs physical keyboard vs battery life
Aug 16 02:25:54 <punzada> htc ppc-6800
Aug 16 02:26:10 <soonerfan0k> I plan on getting the 3500mah for my evo
Aug 16 02:26:13 <soonerfan0k> :D
Aug 16 02:26:42 <soonerfan0k> the epic has a better proccesor and will prolly have 2x battery life verse evo
Aug 16 02:26:48 <Decimate> the evo screen size is something you will not regret.
Aug 16 02:26:57 <punzada> .2 inches doesn
Aug 16 02:26:57 <Decimate> and my evo lasted all day..which is all it needed to.
Aug 16 02:27:01 <punzada> mean much
Aug 16 02:27:02 <punzada> lol
Aug 16 02:27:03 <Decimate> i have to sleep, so does it.
Aug 16 02:27:04 <soonerfan0k> and it will provide a much better multimedia experience
Aug 16 02:27:15 <soonerfan0k> but I am still getting the evo
Aug 16 02:27:24 <SineOt> what's the epic sporting? hummingbird?
Aug 16 02:27:30 <SineOt> and not snapdragon?
Aug 16 02:27:31 <soonerfan0k> because its very small second in those areas
Aug 16 02:27:35 <SineOt> or whatever they are
Aug 16 02:27:38 <punzada> yeah
Aug 16 02:27:43 <punzada> not the snapdragon
Aug 16 02:27:44 <soonerfan0k> epic has the hummungbird
Aug 16 02:27:48 <soonerfan0k> its better
Aug 16 02:27:53 <SineOt> which is basically the a4
Aug 16 02:27:54 <soonerfan0k> than the snapdragon
Aug 16 02:28:02 <soonerfan0k> 45nm
Aug 16 02:28:24 <soonerfan0k> less heat more raw power
Aug 16 02:28:33 <soonerfan0k> snap is 65nm
Aug 16 02:28:46 <punzada> i almost bought the evo, they were sold out, then I got word of the epic with hardware keyboard, that was about all i needed to hear lol
Aug 16 02:28:48 <soonerfan0k> but they evo is still better imo
Aug 16 02:29:23 <SineOt> I'd say there's a lot more in play than just the process size ;p
Aug 16 02:29:28 <soonerfan0k> yeah thats really the difference phys vs non phys
Aug 16 02:29:29 <Anivrom> Dont worry guys I got the answer. you can stop searching the web endlessly looking for an answer to my question.
Aug 16 02:29:46 <SineOt> since my Xbox with the 45nm cpu is just as fast as the old one with the 65nm
Aug 16 02:29:46 <soonerfan0k> I already knew all this anivrom
Aug 16 02:30:03 <Anivrom> lies
Aug 16 02:30:16 <soonerfan0k> naa I spent all yesterday searching the web
Aug 16 02:30:17 <soonerfan0k> :D
Aug 16 02:30:21 <soonerfan0k> seriously
Aug 16 02:30:24 <rwhitby> do people with android devices really reflash their whole device just to try a new kernel or patch?
Aug 16 02:30:34 <soonerfan0k> yeah a new rom
Aug 16 02:30:37 <soonerfan0k> that sucks
Aug 16 02:30:39 <soonerfan0k> hard
Aug 16 02:30:39 <rwhitby> how primitive
Aug 16 02:30:40 <SineOt> yes
Aug 16 02:30:49 <soonerfan0k> yeah webos is way better os
Aug 16 02:30:55 <punzada> rwhitby: thats one thing that has had me avoid the platform for the most part until this point
Aug 16 02:30:58 <SineOt> and it's why most people I do either don't bother with it, or knew about it before they got the phone and did it off the bat
Aug 16 02:31:18 <rwhitby> why would you reflash a whole filesystem just to change the kernel?
Aug 16 02:31:27 <soonerfan0k> and you have to flash new roms if you want new features
Aug 16 02:31:36 <soonerfan0k> no patches or hax or upgrades
Aug 16 02:31:39 <SineOt> because it's a broken clusterfuck
Aug 16 02:31:44 <rwhitby> must be windows developers running that show
Aug 16 02:31:49 <soonerfan0k> and you have to choose between builds
Aug 16 02:32:03 <soonerfan0k> leaving some features and getting others
Aug 16 02:32:11 <soonerfan0k> webos is better
Aug 16 02:32:35 <soonerfan0k> but why not just have both..... :D if you can
Aug 16 02:32:46 <rwhitby> you mean that homebrew architecture that WebOS Internals created is better ;)
Aug 16 02:32:53 <punzada> yes, yes it is.
Aug 16 02:33:41 <soonerfan0k> yep
Aug 16 02:33:46 <soonerfan0k> and the community
Aug 16 02:33:52 <soonerfan0k> way better
Aug 16 02:34:07 <soonerfan0k> best on the 0.0.0.0
Aug 16 02:35:31 <soonerfan0k> someday we will get our cake
Aug 16 02:35:35 <soonerfan0k> and eat it too
Aug 16 02:35:39 * soonerfan0k sighs
Aug 16 02:35:56 <SineOt> sadly, I have to choose between some features and getting others :<
Aug 16 02:36:06 <SineOt> webos system menu patches: abandon all hope
Aug 16 02:36:18 <soonerfan0k> waaa?
Aug 16 02:36:39 <SineOt> some of them change enough that it can't figure out what's going on, I guess? so some patches will fail with chunk failures
Aug 16 02:38:05 <SineOt> no airplane, brightness in system meny, data in menu, gps in menu: works
Aug 16 02:38:06 <SineOt> no airplane, no date, data, gps: works
Aug 16 02:38:07 <SineOt> no airplane, brightness, no date, data, gps: yeah good luck lol
Aug 16 02:38:24 <rwhitby> SineOt: use sconix's patch and ignore all others
Aug 16 02:38:38 <rwhitby> he's the only patch dev that does stuff properly
Aug 16 02:38:43 <SineOt> is that one of the mega ones?
Aug 16 02:38:57 <SineOt> all the like ultra mega ones include flashlight, which... doesn't work on the pixi and probably never will
Aug 16 02:39:43 <rwhitby> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/245440-patch-top-bar-system-menus-status-today-device-menus.html
Aug 16 02:41:02 <SineOt> yeah, that just adds a bunch of stuff I don't really care about, which was the problem
Aug 16 02:41:19 <rwhitby> um, it's configurable
Aug 16 02:41:23 <SineOt> it is?
Aug 16 02:41:34 <SineOt> that'd be a good thing to mention in the post talking about it c_c
Aug 16 02:41:39 <rwhitby> guess you didn't read the first post then
Aug 16 02:42:10 <rwhitby> "- orange/gesture + tap to the top bar menu area will bring up the edit menu from where you can select that which menu items are shown in the menu"
Aug 16 02:42:46 <SineOt> and the giant paragraph explaining what it the patches do never says "you can configure it too" :p
Aug 16 02:43:42 <bpadalino> everyone's a critic :(
Aug 16 02:43:45 <rwhitby> that would be because the second sentence of the post says "The patches also make the menus editable (its possible to configure what entries are shown in the menus)."
Aug 16 02:43:49 <SineOt> even the desc in Preware never says anything about it being configureable, because I've looked over it before
Aug 16 02:44:03 <rwhitby> I mean really - the second sentence of the first post.
Aug 16 02:45:08 <SineOt> fine, fine ;p
Aug 16 02:45:12 <rwhitby> and that post is the homepage link in Preware for that patch
Aug 16 02:46:07 * rwhitby considers charging for documentation, so people value it more and perhaps read it
Aug 16 02:46:39 <dtzWill> rwhitby: LOL
Aug 16 02:47:02 * uNiXpSyChO claps
Aug 16 02:47:35 <rwhitby> maybe that's what we should do.  write an app catalog app with Preware documentation, and charge $10 for it.
Aug 16 02:48:00 <soonerfan0k> my poor pre cant run SR71
Aug 16 02:48:06 * soonerfan0k crys
Aug 16 02:49:06 <soonerfan0k> [hint]maybe it could run a kernel with 1.1 ghz[/hint]
Aug 16 02:49:43 <rwhitby> just run Uber!g
Aug 16 02:49:52 <rwhitby> s/Uber!g/Uber1G/
Aug 16 02:49:52 <infobot> rwhitby meant: just run Uber1G
Aug 16 02:50:14 <SineOt> it's more an issue of "don't put important info in a single line orphaned sentence" but that's my two cents :p
Aug 16 02:50:48 <rwhitby> SineOt: I look forward to your contribution of improved documentation for homebrew patches ...
Aug 16 02:51:08 <soonerfan0k> I am running f105, why would I switch to Uberkernel?
Aug 16 02:52:12 <soonerfan0k> hey rod I am really digging the wifi carrier string patch
Aug 16 02:52:15 <jhojho> warthog runs at 1050mhz ;)
Aug 16 02:52:29 <soonerfan0k> my phone hate warthog
Aug 16 02:52:30 <dtzWill> anyone remember the trick for configuring sb2 for multiple toolchains and quickly switching them?
Aug 16 02:52:46 <soonerfan0k> I tried for 2 hours getting it to work
Aug 16 02:52:47 <jhojho> no, warthog hates your phone.
Aug 16 02:52:58 <soonerfan0k> yeah .... :(
Aug 16 02:53:56 <soonerfan0k> and I was reallying hoping warthog would play nice
Aug 16 02:54:16 <jhojho> does fine for me.
Aug 16 02:54:26 <soonerfan0k> is anyone running it here on a poor launch day sprint pre
Aug 16 02:55:13 <soonerfan0k> what pre do you have and what settings are you using?
Aug 16 02:55:20 <soonerfan0k> @jhojho>
Aug 16 02:55:26 <bpadalino> i'm on a launch day pre - and never doctored ..
Aug 16 02:55:45 <soonerfan0k> and you have warthog on it?
Aug 16 02:55:48 <jhojho> my pre is launch day-ish
Aug 16 02:55:50 <bpadalino> oh, no i don't
Aug 16 02:56:01 <SineOt> rwhitby: if you're being honest and not facetious, I'd gladly help write improved documentation :p
Aug 16 02:56:07 <Anivrom> I doctored once by accident cause I didnt know what the heck was going on lol
Aug 16 02:56:26 <jhojho> replaced a month in so essentially launch day.
Aug 16 02:56:27 <rwhitby> SineOt: I'm always seriously looking for good documentation writers.
Aug 16 02:56:50 <SineOt> then sure, I'd love to help
Aug 16 02:57:11 <soonerfan0k> rwhitby: if you're being honest and not facetious, I'd gladly help read improved documentation :p
Aug 16 02:57:49 <oil> always need more documentation
Aug 16 02:59:08 <jhojho> stock settings
Aug 16 02:59:26 <soonerfan0k> what pre do you have?
Aug 16 02:59:46 <jhojho> sprint
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