**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 18 02:59:57 2010 Aug 18 03:00:25 b3ll: not in any capacity I'm aware of. Aug 18 03:01:01 b3ll: conceivably VBA looks for some gameshark file when it loads a rom? I didn't /remove/ that code, but definitely haven't played with it at all. Didn't delete it either. Aug 18 03:01:33 hmm okay i'll browse the source Aug 18 03:01:36 is it updated? Aug 18 03:02:15 the source? of course :) Aug 18 03:02:26 although it's a bit newer than what's in any feed :) Aug 18 03:03:25 b3ll: looks lke it has the ability to load a .gsa file, but it's not called from anywhere useful Aug 18 03:03:36 perfect Aug 18 03:03:43 gimme something to do for a while :P Aug 18 03:03:44 dtzWill: did you check out tactics ogre? Aug 18 03:04:27 Tibfib: I'm sorry, I did not--had to bounce irssi and thereby closed the window that was my reminder :). Aug 18 03:04:40 Tibfib: I do have the save still, what was the issue again? won't save, right? Aug 18 03:04:48 won't save through the app, just save states Aug 18 03:04:56 That's why I asked, to remind you :) Aug 18 03:05:21 b3ll: oh you wanna hack at the code? :) if you start wanting to do anything fancy like a cheat code GUI bug me so we can coordinate that please :) Aug 18 03:05:27 Tibfib: excellent :) Aug 18 03:05:43 dtzWill : well im VERY newbish lol Aug 18 03:05:59 but if you'd like to help me i'd be more than willing to try Aug 18 03:08:33 b3ll: nah, but tyvm. while i'd love the help, cheats wasn't on my immediate to-do list so i'd like to push that off until some other things come into place. Aug 18 03:08:46 ahh okay Aug 18 03:08:55 Lumberjack 0.1.0 is now in the testing feed in Preware Aug 18 03:09:01 http://bit.ly/ljack1 http://bit.ly/ljack2 http://bit.ly/ljack3 http://bit.ly/ljack4 Aug 18 03:09:06 i wonder if my feeds work again. Aug 18 03:09:08 rwhitby: nice! :) Aug 18 03:09:13 i haven't tried on 1.4.5 Aug 18 03:09:28 dtzWill: it's mostly oil's work. I just did the service as usual :) Aug 18 03:09:41 and egaudet fixed a one-line bug :) Aug 18 03:09:48 awesome! Aug 18 03:09:58 s/rwhitby/rwhitby, oil/ Aug 18 03:09:59 dtzWill meant: rwhitby, oil: nice! :) Aug 18 03:10:08 FFF why did the internet decided to delete EVERYTHING but 1.3.1 Aug 18 03:12:24 Tibfib: reproduced, investigating Aug 18 03:12:39 yay, and crap Aug 18 03:15:52 Tibfib: no worries, I think I have a fix, BUT bad news. your existing save states won't work Aug 18 03:16:07 aww, that sucks Aug 18 03:16:20 good thing I didn't get very far in the game Aug 18 03:16:22 so you'd have to start over..... and I also haven't tested it, since this game takes forever to get to a save point :) Aug 18 03:16:32 Tibfib: well before you wipe it lemme see what it'd take to hack the save state Aug 18 03:17:03 don't worry too much, didn't take _that_ long Aug 18 03:17:31 Tibfib: time estimate? 20 minutes? Aug 18 03:17:38 yeah 20 minutes to first save point Aug 18 03:21:55 Tibfib: i'll pm you the fix.. Aug 18 03:32:11 rwhitby: the alpha feeds haven't been working for me... I've deleted and re-added them multiple times and they still don't work. Got any suggestions? Aug 18 03:38:09 or oil/anyone else Aug 18 03:43:07 it shouls just work, lol Aug 18 03:43:18 sure you typed it in right? Aug 18 03:43:40 I would think after trying it ~10 times, one would have been typed right :P Aug 18 03:44:16 I guess I'll just keep trying Aug 18 03:45:24 :/ Aug 18 03:45:53 any errors or anything? Aug 18 03:45:54 Tibfib: screenshot your manage feeds page Aug 18 03:46:10 or pastebin the contents of your *.conf files Aug 18 03:46:20 k Aug 18 03:48:15 where are the .conf files? Aug 18 03:52:32 um Aug 18 03:53:51 in /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/ Aug 18 03:54:20 yeah, I typed that but without 'in ' Aug 18 04:10:02 http://webos.pastebin.com/8DD9B4V9 Aug 18 04:10:42 @ rwhitby Aug 18 04:11:25 Tibfib: those look correct Aug 18 04:11:42 what errors do you get? Aug 18 04:11:59 Tibfib: this is on a device, not the emuator, right? Aug 18 04:12:09 ... they are showing up now. Aug 18 04:12:29 * rwhitby scares away preware problems just by looking at them Aug 18 04:13:22 hah Aug 18 04:22:14 Tibfib: testing for this was taking so long i had to implment the long-requested 'turbo toggle' feature just so I wouldn't completely hate my life haha Aug 18 04:22:29 haha yeah, the game is SUPER slow Aug 18 05:04:06 Tibfib: FIXED it :) Aug 18 05:04:14 nice! Aug 18 07:10:44 anyone know how to get the vba v1.1.2 (so I can use it with my 1.4.2 webos) Aug 18 07:11:39 preware Aug 18 07:11:59 oh is it in there? I thought it would just have the newest version. I'll double check Aug 18 07:12:16 get it from http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/ and install using the "Install Package" menu item Aug 18 07:12:32 ah, ok Aug 18 07:12:54 I installed thunderchief a couple of days ago and I'm itchin to try it out :) Aug 18 07:14:14 errr 1.4.2 supports pdk apps? Aug 18 07:14:14 ok, that's slick. Didn't know you could browse the repository like that Aug 18 07:14:27 it does as long as it's not a pixi, I think Aug 18 07:14:30 oh oh 1.1.2. i'm sorry. yes, carry on :). Aug 18 07:14:44 not 1.2.1 or later. you'd think i'd know my own versions better :D Aug 18 07:15:01 did you port vba to the pre? Aug 18 07:15:03 rwhitby's advice is spot on Aug 18 07:15:07 appamajig: yeppers. Aug 18 07:15:37 that's awesome man... skills Aug 18 07:15:52 appamajig: mostly misallocated time :) ;) Aug 18 07:16:02 (ty) Aug 18 07:17:43 booya! thanks guys! Aug 18 08:11:16 First test of the O2 Navigation software for Germany http://tamspalm.de/2010/08/webos-navi-telmap-fuer-o2-kunden-im-ausfuehrlichen-test/ Aug 18 08:15:27 i see interesting OS entries in my logs: Albacore,Absinthe,Nova-Babelfish,Nova-Main Aug 18 10:31:17 awesome Aug 18 10:31:29 I just gave a SIGINT to my doctor window my mistake ... and it exited Aug 18 10:35:12 didn't take much effort to get it restarted... had to remove battery... Aug 18 10:35:21 still, that was a stupid thing to do Aug 18 10:43:49 doctor is done, now ... I wonder what the damage is like. :\ Aug 18 10:45:12 that hybrid pre is insane Aug 18 10:45:27 I'm not sure if I want to gut a fully working Verizon Pre for that purpose Aug 18 11:15:14 bhuey: you mean the pre plus on sprint? Aug 18 11:20:21 yeah Aug 18 11:20:47 pretty crazy, I have a verizon unit I can use for parts but I'd like to have another pre plus for that purpose actually Aug 18 11:21:15 after the overcloc kernels and stuff, the device is actually ok overall minus the lack of storage Aug 18 11:21:35 so it might not be worth it for me to move to that Aug 18 11:27:06 Where are log files located? Aug 18 11:28:07 which ones? Aug 18 11:30:07 Specifically I'm looking for the one(s) for WIRC, but would like to know in general where they are placed for any app for looking up errors and such. Aug 18 11:31:40 i don't know where they are located but i know how to get the contents ... do you have the SDK installed? Aug 18 11:32:23 yeah Aug 18 11:32:40 palm-log will show the logs Aug 18 11:32:51 or the ares log viewer Aug 18 11:33:03 http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/ Aug 18 11:33:42 okay, thanks! Aug 18 13:11:56 morning guys Aug 18 13:18:42 hey Aug 18 13:22:31 hi Aug 18 13:24:04 hey Aug 18 15:30:02 so, sorry for the n00by question: I went to wosi wiki last night and added the preware testing (all) feed because I heard about LumberJack. Then I updated feeds a couple of times, then I restarted PreWare...but I still can't seem to find this LumberJack thingie...what else do I need to do in PreWare? Aug 18 15:31:53 hm Aug 18 15:31:56 any errors? Aug 18 15:32:53 i see it just fine in testing feed Aug 18 15:32:59 me too Aug 18 15:32:59 no errors Aug 18 15:33:12 I just list everything then start typing lumber Aug 18 15:33:13 try to go to: list everything Aug 18 15:33:15 and there's nothing there Aug 18 15:33:17 and start typing lumber Aug 18 15:33:18 hmm Aug 18 15:33:21 hahaha Aug 18 15:33:24 :) Aug 18 15:33:25 let me see this morning Aug 18 15:33:41 or maybe u did not add webos testing feed :P Aug 18 15:33:46 I did! Aug 18 15:33:53 maybe I added it wrong, I'll double-check Aug 18 15:33:55 that's what she said Aug 18 15:33:55 ;] Aug 18 15:34:52 how ppl dress to interviews nowadays? Aug 18 15:34:55 still in suits? Aug 18 15:35:03 i'm talking about tech company Aug 18 15:35:13 or nice pants and shirt will do? Aug 18 15:35:47 hmmm, can't see the whole uri...must delete and re-add to be sure? (aka nuke from orbit) Aug 18 15:35:56 * oil hasnt interviewed anywhere in 10 years Aug 18 15:36:13 yeah i havent been to interview in 5 Aug 18 15:36:14 ;p Aug 18 15:36:21 suits for an interview in a tech company? Aug 18 15:36:31 that would look out of place :) Aug 18 15:36:33 swisstomcat: yeah that's what i thought ;D Aug 18 15:36:35 en0x: last I interviewed I wore a suit (in 2003) but it was because I was interviewing as a contractor Aug 18 15:37:02 the last time i wore a suit and tie was for my wedding ;) Aug 18 15:37:20 i wore for my brother wedding last year Aug 18 15:37:35 well i just want to make sure so I won't look like a jerk Aug 18 15:37:46 and 5 yrs ago when i was interviewed at BU they said same thing Aug 18 15:38:00 WTF are you doing here in a suit Aug 18 15:38:02 hmm, I don't think it asked me last night to update feeds...going to re-add this and see what happens Aug 18 15:38:09 thats what they told me Aug 18 15:39:53 step 8 does not occur :( Aug 18 15:40:10 "Gesture swipe back. Preware will alert you that you have added feeds and ask if you want to update them now. Choose YES." Aug 18 15:40:27 but a manul update should work, right? Aug 18 15:40:30 yeah Aug 18 15:40:39 and the feed is there and enabled? Aug 18 15:40:55 damn stuff is flying by, can't tell if it read it or not Aug 18 15:41:18 swisstomcat: I guess so, I added it Aug 18 15:41:25 re-added, I mean Aug 18 15:42:07 if I entered the uri incorrectly, would there be an error? Aug 18 15:42:16 most likely Aug 18 15:42:21 k Aug 18 15:42:22 no errors Aug 18 15:42:31 there would be an error when you try to refresh, yes Aug 18 15:42:43 ok, definitely no erros Aug 18 15:42:51 um Aug 18 15:43:27 oil: what category is it in? maybe I'll look that way Aug 18 15:43:59 it should be at the top of hte list of everything Aug 18 15:44:03 look in /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg Aug 18 15:44:15 and pastebin your testing feeds content Aug 18 15:44:33 * sugardave goes to find the cable. Aug 18 15:47:15 oil: http://webos.pastebin.com/n7ck447y Aug 18 15:47:35 thats only one feed Aug 18 15:47:37 you need the other Aug 18 15:47:46 yeah, do you need all of them? Aug 18 15:48:03 I thought "all" meant no :D Aug 18 15:48:05 well, all is only non-arch-specific packages Aug 18 15:48:09 Add the armv7 one Aug 18 15:48:10 ah Aug 18 15:48:12 I see Aug 18 15:48:16 most are arch-specific Aug 18 15:48:20 okay, thanks guys Aug 18 15:48:59 good that we put u on track now! Aug 18 15:49:00 :p Aug 18 15:49:09 yay! Aug 18 15:49:17 lumberjack ftw :) Aug 18 15:49:42 so, then can I just make this file here withouth going into feed manager? Aug 18 15:49:49 yeah Aug 18 15:49:53 sweet Aug 18 15:49:53 you can even put both in the same file Aug 18 15:49:58 sweeter Aug 18 15:50:22 lumberjack is great .. tested today Aug 18 15:50:47 this interview gonna suck tomorrow... it will be with 7ppl... hr, system admin, system engineer, vp of tech operations, QA associate lead, network engineer Aug 18 15:51:00 it's gonna be 4hrs for f... sake Aug 18 15:51:00 :S Aug 18 15:51:42 i assume it needs a service to work .. no change of having it in the catalog? i'd be great for customer suppor Aug 18 15:51:44 t Aug 18 15:52:30 yeah, service, no catalog Aug 18 15:52:47 :( Aug 18 15:52:53 * sugardave updates feeds. Aug 18 15:53:14 it can go when we get hybrid support, yeah? Aug 18 15:53:24 no Aug 18 15:53:27 no plugin Aug 18 15:53:27 oh Aug 18 15:53:30 suck Aug 18 15:53:45 i think rwhitby said yesterday the jail wouldnt let it work Aug 18 15:53:48 there it is Aug 18 15:53:52 yay Aug 18 15:53:54 brb Aug 18 15:54:34 lies Aug 18 15:55:34 oil: this is awesome, thank you Aug 18 15:55:47 sugardave: +1 Aug 18 15:59:31 :) Aug 18 16:00:22 i downloaded wirc today and yikes .. many scenes (for translation) Aug 18 16:00:31 i told ya, haha Aug 18 16:00:34 hehe Aug 18 16:01:34 [; Aug 18 16:01:41 can i translate it to polish? :> Aug 18 16:02:15 anyway would it be hard to translate whole webos? Aug 18 16:49:53 I have a general c++/compilation question. I'm trying to get mongodb working on my webhost. It has pcre as a pre-req and I got that compiled/installed last night. My "include" directory is $HOME/include. When the copnfigurator for mongo runs, it dies checking for pcrecpp.h which I can see in $HOME/include What would be my next troubleshooting step? Aug 18 16:50:14 HERE we go again... Aug 18 16:50:16 :p Aug 18 16:51:21 sugardave: does it come with a doc explainin the switches for the config script? Aug 18 16:51:22 stupid halfhalo_class, be more helpful :P Aug 18 16:51:44 sugardave: most configure scripts support switches like --includes=/foo/bar Aug 18 16:51:52 nope, thats not what they pay me for Aug 18 16:52:14 dr_jkl: that's a good question...let me see if I can find it Aug 18 16:52:37 there's a damn README that's executable and requires mongodb to be running, so no love there :D Aug 18 16:52:49 oh wait Aug 18 16:52:50 whats the readme exe name? Aug 18 16:52:56 it's just got +x for some reason Aug 18 16:53:00 it's just a damn text file Aug 18 16:54:05 hmm, readmes are pretty light on details Aug 18 16:54:10 sugardave: 'file README' please Aug 18 16:54:11 dr_jkl: this thing uses scons to build Aug 18 16:54:57 dr_jkl: I'm looking at it, it points me to docs/building.md (worthless) and mongodb.org (where I'm heading again) Aug 18 16:55:02 * dr_jkl stumbles off to find coffee Aug 18 16:58:49 so if I built pcre from source, I can ignore the "package" instructions I find about needing to install libpre3-dev...since the headers are already included from what I built...is that how it generally goes? Aug 18 17:01:18 oh hell...the pcre dir in mongod is 7.something and I compiled 8.10...maybe that is part of the issue Aug 18 17:01:21 I'll be back Aug 18 18:56:41 oil, rwhitby: all of a sudden lumber jack stopped working. It doesn't get the list of installed apps, nor does it log "everything"... I'm guessing a reboot will solve it Aug 18 18:56:48 but, just letting you know Aug 18 18:57:01 service is still somewhat crashy Aug 18 18:57:21 morning Aug 18 18:57:50 oil: okay, just making sure you knew :) Aug 18 19:01:10 timber! Aug 18 19:17:50 can anyone help me with a run through of how to install preware? i cant figure it out, i have quick install running and keep hitting the blue arrow down button but nothing is happening. Aug 18 19:19:00 http://install.preware.org Aug 18 19:20:05 hi jessica Aug 18 19:21:53 hello Aug 18 19:22:49 hmm, if you press that button, a window should popup Aug 18 19:23:23 nothing is happening and I've got everything up to date Aug 18 19:23:30 hmm Aug 18 19:24:10 I dont think i'm missing anything Aug 18 19:25:32 anyone here looked at the precentral forum thread about battery life? Aug 18 19:26:02 what forum thread? Aug 18 19:26:14 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/256967-find-out-how-good-bad-your-battery.html Aug 18 19:26:16 ? Aug 18 19:26:48 i've been curious about battery life myself. after the usual post-update drain madness, it seems to have actually improved for me Aug 18 19:27:05 oh yeah, I saw that. apparently mine is now at 80% capacity :-/ Aug 18 19:27:16 yeah Aug 18 19:27:28 so i have a seidio 1350 and it reports it at 1150 Aug 18 19:27:48 i have a 1400 and it report 1320 Aug 18 19:27:48 i ordered one of those high cap ones from hong kong though. hopefully it results in a big improvement Aug 18 19:28:05 what i've been able to find tells me that i can't change that number :/ but i'm well past 180 days to get a replacement Aug 18 19:28:31 so i'm wondering if anyone knows how to reset it or something Aug 18 19:29:31 i don't know much about li-ion tech but I'm pretty sure that's actual battery aging and not some software setting Aug 18 19:31:57 well, i'm wondering more about the full capacity of the battery Aug 18 19:32:04 which SHOULD be 1350, but reports as 1150 Aug 18 19:32:43 oh...nm then, no idea Aug 18 19:35:02 hmmm :/ this is irritating Aug 18 19:57:59 it's a fake Aug 18 19:58:03 :P Aug 18 20:01:18 fake, eh? Aug 18 20:06:14 you see the "ATTENTION don't buy seidio 1350" thread? Aug 18 20:08:45 i do now Aug 18 20:08:53 i bought this in nov of last year Aug 18 20:12:06 if only it was brought to my attention earlier ;) Aug 18 20:14:17 what would be a good battery to buy then that can be used with the touchstone Aug 18 20:15:31 the regular palm battery ;) Aug 18 20:15:48 if i can get mine replaced, i'd recommend it Aug 18 20:15:57 otherwise, it's the same as the palm battery Aug 18 20:17:40 isnt there a 1400 that fits the ts back Aug 18 20:17:40 DUDE Aug 18 20:17:42 1.4.5 Aug 18 20:17:48 anyone else getting it? Aug 18 20:18:05 I have had it ofr a week or more maybe 2 idk Aug 18 20:18:09 what Aug 18 20:18:16 sprint pre Aug 18 20:18:57 I gota say I think 1.4.5 help my battery Aug 18 20:19:13 but I need a new one Aug 18 20:19:32 OC gives me like 4 hours of battery life Aug 18 20:19:47 and I cant go back to slow speeds Aug 18 20:19:48 i have 1.4.5 for weeks already Aug 18 20:20:11 yeah it took sprint like 1.5 months to roll it out Aug 18 20:20:57 i wasn't aware of a 1400mah battery, but i haven't checked lately Aug 18 20:21:07 do i need to uninstall patches or anything? Aug 18 20:21:25 you probably should Aug 18 20:21:43 apparently there is... mugen and amzer Aug 18 20:22:23 ALL my patches? :( Aug 18 20:22:36 sure why not Aug 18 20:22:43 fffffffffffff Aug 18 20:22:56 it doesnt take to long to redo them Aug 18 20:23:06 i didn't uninstall any Aug 18 20:23:12 worst case you doctor your phone so no big deal Aug 18 20:23:39 yeah but i don't want to Aug 18 20:23:56 check precentral patches subforum for ATTENTION post on specific patches that will NOT survive OTA Aug 18 20:24:00 i've got the mugen battery Aug 18 20:24:14 is it any good? Aug 18 20:27:29 yeah, no problems so far Aug 18 20:28:20 egaudet: i don't see any attention posts... Aug 18 20:28:21 waiting for my mugen battery, should arrive in the next couple of days Aug 18 20:28:53 yokken: 2nd page Aug 18 20:29:03 I'm going to bump it Aug 18 20:29:19 phew Aug 18 20:29:30 i removed multi mod cause i knew there was a problem with it Aug 18 20:30:03 bump'd Aug 18 20:30:15 yokken: worse comes to worst you can just use the saved package list Aug 18 20:30:20 ya **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 18 20:55:40 2010 Aug 18 21:16:09 sup Aug 18 21:16:41 1337 Aug 18 22:16:26 I doctored for no reason it seems Aug 18 22:16:28 :) Aug 18 22:16:55 if I use aplay at all, pulse terminates the connection (sagfault) and then won't play system sounds like sending cards to app heaven Aug 18 22:17:06 all I needed to do is reboot Aug 18 22:17:11 (grin) Aug 18 23:15:08 hey guys, could someone help deactivate my headphones hardware? Aug 18 23:29:47 please??? Aug 18 23:48:08 mandaman2k: I saw your question earlier, but I have no idea what that means... Aug 18 23:48:18 state your problem and anyone in the know will jump in Aug 18 23:48:36 it may take a while... but if anyone knows... Aug 19 00:13:04 jettero: oh sorry, i'll explain Aug 19 00:14:39 the thing is i'm having problems with the audio jack, my phone thinks it is plugged in and it isn't and when i'm in a phone call y have to use the speakerphone, cant use the front speaker, i'v tried all the things done in the forum and even the ghastly app Aug 19 00:15:37 mandaman2k: have you read the PreCentral thread on that? Aug 19 00:15:45 oh, you said you have :) Aug 19 00:16:05 I don't believe anyone here has anything more than what's there. Aug 19 00:17:29 nothing works it keeps jumping back and forth, i even download the lumberjack app to follow the logs and from what i see it thing im plugin and unpuggin the audo jack all the time, what i want is to completely disable the audio jack, i dont care in using headphones again i just want to talk normal over the phone Aug 19 00:17:56 you tried the pencil trick? ;x Aug 19 00:18:19 punzada: yes, even the alcohol thing Aug 19 00:18:27 damn Aug 19 00:18:51 mine wasn't bouncing back and forth, mine just thought it was in headphone mode all the time, blowing in it + some quick in and outs with my headphones fixed it Aug 19 00:19:02 haven't seen it since Aug 19 00:19:09 thats whats annoying with that auto-sense technology Aug 19 00:19:15 i kind of know my way through linux, so if someone knows where to drop the driver or something close to not using the audio jack again i can go through linux commands Aug 19 00:19:32 I used to get that all the time... I just replugged my headphones a lot and blew in the hole when it happened Aug 19 00:19:47 what I did to finally fix it once and for all was get a bluetooth adpater thingy for my car stereo Aug 19 00:19:51 haven't had that since. :) Aug 19 00:19:55 hmm, I know the phone uses pulseaudio but I would have no idea how to go about totally substituting it, any attempt would probably hinder a lot of phone function Aug 19 00:20:46 i'm fairly sure it's pulse that handles that auto-sense as well Aug 19 00:20:53 jettero: Motorola S605 FTW Aug 19 00:21:01 and T505 for the car Aug 19 00:21:08 I don't recall what I got Aug 19 00:21:16 jettero: yeah thought about bluetooth, but imagine the battery drain with bluetooth all day long Aug 19 00:21:20 it's a pain in the ass and I argue with it constantly... but it's still better than a headphone wire Aug 19 00:21:29 S605 is nice cause it charges from microUSB Aug 19 00:21:40 I almost purchased the t505 a few months ago Aug 19 00:21:44 my bluetooth car kit has s charger. I laugh at your battery life Aug 19 00:21:50 that was back when I wanted to pump music through my car though Aug 19 00:22:19 howmuch is a t505? Aug 19 00:22:23 or is there a way to turn of the auto-sense? Aug 19 00:22:24 I spent like $23 and it's a pita Aug 19 00:22:33 like $60 I think Aug 19 00:22:49 if you could disable the autosense I wouldn't have gotten bt for the car Aug 19 00:22:54 I think it's a hardware problem personally Aug 19 00:25:41 yep, defenitely is a hardware problem, but most of the hardware is controlled by software, so i thought maybe there was a way on disabiling it, :S Aug 19 00:25:54 ahh Aug 19 00:32:14 so please if any of the gurus on WebOS could help me, i would really really appreciate it, i want to have my pre working again, :-( Aug 19 00:41:05 can't remember who had asked, but someone identified that the save/restore app was not saving or restoring wIRC archives. i found the problem and will be posting an update tonight Aug 19 01:37:01 does someone if the creator of the ghastly headset app, ever logs in to this channel? Aug 19 01:38:08 in the forum at precentral, he is called neville Aug 19 01:38:18 never seen him here Aug 19 01:40:46 rwhitby: ok, thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 19 02:59:57 2010