**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 27 02:59:57 2010
Aug 27 03:59:21 * DougReeder waves hello
Aug 27 04:13:37 * DougReeder waves hello
Aug 27 04:14:08 * oil waves back
Aug 27 04:16:34 <DougReeder> Are you all using Uberkernel 1GHz?
Aug 27 04:18:33 <oil> my dev pre is
Aug 27 04:19:43 <DougReeder>  I need dev hardware separate from my personal phone.
Aug 27 04:19:57 <DougReeder> Shoulda gone to Developer Day back in May.
Aug 27 04:20:28 <punzada> yeah I switched over from 800mhz to 1ghz today, definitely snappier
Aug 27 04:21:16 <DougReeder> You can turn the acceleration on and off with Governah, right?
Aug 27 04:21:32 <punzada> of course
Aug 27 04:21:49 <punzada> I use the screenstate method, 500mhz with screen off, 1ghz with screen on
Aug 27 04:21:53 <rwhitby> and you can do it based on situational awareness using ModeSwitcher too
Aug 27 04:21:55 <punzada> nice balance of performance/battery life
Aug 27 04:22:18 <DougReeder> I could accelerate it for personal use, and do the testing at standard speed.
Aug 27 04:23:57 <DougReeder> I haven't modded my device, because I need to test what ordinary users will experience.
Aug 27 04:24:49 <dtzWill> oil: my dev pre i keep stock haha
Aug 27 04:25:04 <dtzWill> for the same reasons as DougReeder, so i can verify 'normal' behavior
Aug 27 04:29:06 <oil> dtzWill: i can flip my dev pre back to stock at any moment with govnah :)
Aug 27 04:36:41 <basotl> Updated to 1ghz while my wife was shoe shopping earlier.
Aug 27 04:39:13 <summatusmentis> how's the battery life at 1Ghz?
Aug 27 04:39:20 <halfhalo> epic
Aug 27 04:39:25 <halfhalo> AKA the same
Aug 27 04:40:27 <summatusmentis> well, ok, it's good to know that 1Ghz won't kill the battery faster, I guess
Aug 27 04:40:56 <DougReeder> I was having poor battery life, so I bought a 1300 mA-hr Seido, and I'm not noticing any improvement. :-(
Aug 27 04:42:11 <DougReeder> If I doctor my phone, does that overwrite Preware and/or a custom kernel?
Aug 27 04:42:37 <punzada> yes
Aug 27 04:59:30 <rwhitby> basotl: it's only Preware which allows you to do that - it cannot be done on any other mobile platform.
Aug 27 05:03:27 <DougReeder> So, Uberkernel is based on the open-source OMAP3440 kernel, and presumably Palm's kernel is also, there may be differences other than the intentional ones?
Aug 27 05:03:36 <basotl> Well Preware was one of the first things I put on the pre.
Aug 27 05:04:50 <rwhitby> DougReeder: no, we base it the code published at opensource.palm.com which contains all Palm's modifications
Aug 27 05:05:14 <rwhitby> Palm's kernel is by definition open source too
Aug 27 05:05:24 <DougReeder> Ah, good.
Aug 27 05:05:51 <rwhitby> we would not release anything else into a public feed
Aug 27 05:07:09 <basotl> Gotta love the good parts of using open source.
Aug 27 05:07:24 <DougReeder> Thanks, I haven't paid serious attention to this until now.
Aug 27 05:22:17 <budders> hello
Aug 27 05:22:23 <budders> need some help with uberkernal
Aug 27 05:23:01 <budders> i have preware installed, with uberkernal and govnah
Aug 27 05:23:15 <budders> i try to change the defualt palm profile to the 500/800
Aug 27 05:23:21 <budders> and i cant see the mhz rise
Aug 27 05:23:24 <budders> whats going on?
Aug 27 05:25:24 <budders> can i get some help?
Aug 27 05:26:38 <Robi_> why does preware say that i recently changed the feeds wehn I haven't
Aug 27 05:28:40 <Robi_> heh first log output in lumberjack is from itself. TypeError
Aug 27 05:31:18 <budders> hello, i downloaded preware and webos kernals.. i got govanah and when i go into govenah i can see the mhz at 500.. when i try to change default palm profile it wont change it to 800mhz when the screen is one. can i not see it when viewing the app? what do i need to do?
Aug 27 05:31:19 <rwhitby> budders: did you reboot the device when Preware said to do so?
Aug 27 05:31:58 <rwhitby> alternatively, do you have it plugged in or on the touchstone?
Aug 27 05:32:15 <budders> when i was downloading everything yes, but i took it off and restarted it
Aug 27 05:32:35 <rwhitby> restarted or rebooted?
Aug 27 05:32:44 <budders> device info, restart
Aug 27 05:35:06 <budders> im pretty sure i restarded it, do i need to reboot it? (pull battery out?) my power button broke.
Aug 27 05:35:43 <rwhitby> Dunno.  The instructions are you use Preware to install Govnah and UberKernel, and then reboot when Preware says to reboot after installing UberKernel.  Then select the profile.  That works, so you must have either done something different, or have a different starting point.
Aug 27 05:37:19 <budders> okay ill try popping the battery
Aug 27 05:39:04 <rwhitby> I'd say uninstall the lot with Preware and start again and do it in the right order and hit OK when Preware says to reboot
Aug 27 05:39:16 <budders> im pretty sure i did
Aug 27 05:39:44 <rwhitby> have you ever had any other overclocking scripts or patches installed?
Aug 27 05:39:57 <budders> no
Aug 27 05:40:48 <rwhitby> dunno then
Aug 27 05:40:54 <budders> im restarting
Aug 27 05:41:03 <budders> rebooting i think actually
Aug 27 05:41:26 <budders> if it dosnt work then i guess ill uninstall preware, govanah and uberkernal.. then try again. what is the correct procces again
Aug 27 05:41:31 <budders> and how do i uninstall preware
Aug 27 05:41:41 <budders> and the uberkernal
Aug 27 05:42:09 <rwhitby> leave preware as-is, assuming you're running 1.2.7 or later
Aug 27 05:42:19 <rwhitby> and you always install and uninstall everything using preware, nothing else
Aug 27 05:42:56 <budders> ok cool, the phones turning on now
Aug 27 05:46:04 <WindBell> Well is there anyone can help me about WIDK? it report error again.
Aug 27 05:46:14 <WindBell> make[6]: Entering directory `/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/x/libXaw/build/armv6/src'
Aug 27 05:46:22 <WindBell>  CC     libXaw6_la-Actions.lo
Aug 27 05:46:29 <WindBell> ../libtool: line 829: X--tag=CC: command not found
Aug 27 05:46:39 <WindBell> ../libtool: line 862: libtool: ignoring unknown tag : command not found
Aug 27 05:46:44 <WindBell> ../libtool: line 829: X--mode=compile: command not found
Aug 27 05:46:52 <WindBell> ../libtool: line 1140: Xgcc: command not found
Aug 27 05:46:58 <WindBell> ../libtool: line 1140: X-std=gnu99: command not found
Aug 27 05:47:38 * Robi_ just found a new past time.. watching everything in lunberjack
Aug 27 05:48:32 <Robi_> the Pre is a chatty cathy
Aug 27 05:50:35 <Robi_> interesting the log timestamps are 5hr off
Aug 27 05:50:43 <Robi_> make that 7hrs
Aug 27 05:50:53 <rwhitby> what's your timezone offset from GMT?
Aug 27 05:51:21 <Robi_> -8 +/-1
Aug 27 05:51:37 <budders> i rebooted and uber kernal disapeered im re downloading it, is that good? should i then reboot again?
Aug 27 05:51:37 <xbones21x> I was reading through the the download window for themes and it says the IPK install through quick install is recommended, any reason why?
Aug 27 05:51:52 <xbones21x> This is from the PreThemer website
Aug 27 05:52:00 <Robi_> they use sawmil_logger/ heh
Aug 27 05:53:22 <rwhitby> xbones21x: most theme authors don't realise you can install stand-alone ipkgs using the Install Package menu item in Preware
Aug 27 05:53:22 <Robi_> holy log scroll hwen it sleeps/wakes
Aug 27 05:55:29 <Robi_> no wonder PBU keeps spinning, the service never stays running
Aug 27 05:55:58 <WindBell> hello could anyone help me about those error message?
Aug 27 05:56:37 <Robi_> no wonder 500mhz isn't enough responsiveness, so much crap going on
Aug 27 05:59:21 <Robi_> callmap.c has a crapload of probs
Aug 27 06:01:23 <budders> okay restarting webos showed that uber kernal wasnt installed even though i had the icon and info would pop up for it
Aug 27 06:01:27 <budders> so i restarted
Aug 27 06:01:32 <budders> and reinstalled uberkernals
Aug 27 06:01:35 <budders> restarted again
Aug 27 06:01:40 <budders> now govanah works
Aug 27 06:01:41 <budders> :D
Aug 27 06:01:43 <budders> thanks
Aug 27 06:02:14 <Robi_> you likely only restarted the UI , not the phone
Aug 27 06:02:25 <xbones21x> rwhitby: so makes no big difference installing from quick install or preware, other than maybe lost of service during the download which seems to screw up my installs everyonce in a while
Aug 27 06:04:10 <budders> wtf my phone is so slow now
Aug 27 06:04:22 <budders> wow it just shut off
Aug 27 06:04:22 <budders> wth
Aug 27 06:30:54 <DougReeder> For the 1GHZ (screen on) / 500 MHz (screen off) setting, how does sitting on a touchstone in clock mode count?
Aug 27 06:37:57 <rwhitby> charging -> 500MHz
Aug 27 06:39:05 <DougReeder> [nods] I figured so, but wanted to check.
Aug 27 07:25:34 <xbones21x> So, I was reading on PreCentral that verizon has an end-of-life, does this mean they won't be making them for verizon anymore?
Aug 27 07:32:38 <rwhitby> xbones21x: are you expecting an answer to that question in this channel? (which is about discussions about the technical components between the hardware at the bottom and mojo at the top)
Aug 27 07:33:48 <xbones21x> lol now that you point it out I guess this question has nothing to do with you guys... was just seeing if anyone knew, sry :s
Aug 27 07:34:15 <rwhitby> I doubt it's a question that anyone outside of Verizon can answer with any authority anyway ...
Aug 27 07:34:39 <rwhitby> (since the report you read is a rumour anyway, not an official announcement)
Aug 27 07:34:41 <xbones21x> well I just meant what does end of life usually mean?
Aug 27 07:35:02 <rwhitby> it usually mean that SKU is discontinued
Aug 27 07:35:04 <xbones21x> oh no if you read through again it states that it's been proven...
Aug 27 07:35:18 <rwhitby> "proven" ?
Aug 27 07:35:26 <xbones21x> shows a pic of the document and everything
Aug 27 07:35:40 <xbones21x> second page on precentral
Aug 27 07:35:56 <rwhitby> pictures regularly doctored, shown out of context, or changed without notice
Aug 27 07:36:13 <xbones21x> that's true
Aug 27 07:36:27 <xbones21x> I'm not a verizon user anyways lol
Aug 27 07:36:45 <xbones21x> but it made me think what if sprint did the same, ya know
Aug 27 07:37:11 <xbones21x> hey since I have ur attention, is their any rumors of new webos phones?
Aug 27 07:37:15 <rwhitby> well, at some point that will happen.  either when they stop selling that model without any replacement, or when they start selling a replacement model instead
Aug 27 07:38:29 <xbones21x> can't wait to see what's in the future for webos,awesome phone OS
Aug 27 09:15:41 <noaXess> hey
Aug 27 09:15:43 <noaXess> is there a way, app, patch ot multiple select pictures?
Aug 27 10:50:07 <DThought> is there a way to switch the terminal application to correctly interpret utf-8 ?
Aug 27 10:51:50 <beagleboard> hi
Aug 27 11:49:18 <hump> nevermind
Aug 27 14:29:54 <DougReeder> I googled around for real use of the "ondemand" governor under webos, but couldn't find any.  Has anyone tried it?
Aug 27 14:30:44 <DougReeder> The Pallipadi and Starikovskiy paper makes it sound like the greatest thing since sliceed break, but aren't they the ones that wrote it?
Aug 27 18:08:35 <solix> great job on the 1ghz.. you guys are awesome! :)
Aug 27 18:21:15 <retry> where is freetether?
Aug 27 18:22:06 <dtzWill> retry: so you are
Aug 27 18:22:12 <retry> heh
Aug 27 18:22:27 <dtzWill> retry: is it not in preware?
Aug 27 18:22:32 <retry> talk of freetether is all over precentral forums but no info on where it is or where to find it
Aug 27 18:22:38 <retry> I did a search in preware for 'tether' and got 0 results
Aug 27 18:22:41 <dtzWill> can't you just install it via preware
Aug 27 18:22:42 <dtzWill> oh
Aug 27 18:22:44 <dtzWill> o_O
Aug 27 18:22:48 <dtzWill> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/us.ryanhope.freetether_0.0.1_all.ipk
Aug 27 18:22:52 <retry> i know mytether is not in preware
Aug 27 18:22:56 <retry> hm
Aug 27 18:23:00 <dtzWill> which needs http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/us.ryanhope.freetetherd_0.0.3_armv7.ipk
Aug 27 18:23:08 <retry> I know I have that feed enabled ...
Aug 27 18:23:19 <dtzWill> although tbh idk if those are the latest versions, i assume they are. i've had them installed for a bit.
Aug 27 18:23:29 <retry> does it work better than mytether?
Aug 27 18:23:59 <retry> mytether is annoying and when you enable usbnet the firewall rules go wide open
Aug 27 18:24:07 <retry> just like in dev mode
Aug 27 18:24:19 <dtzWill> i just use mytether to enable ip forwarding
Aug 27 18:24:27 <dtzWill> and in that regard it works great
Aug 27 18:25:29 <retry> doesn't freetether handle that on its own?
Aug 27 18:25:34 <dtzWill> erm
Aug 27 18:25:35 <dtzWill> wow
Aug 27 18:25:43 <dtzWill> i meant i use freetether for ip forwarding
Aug 27 18:25:49 <dtzWill> and mytether doesn't touch my device
Aug 27 18:26:57 <retry> ok
Aug 27 18:27:04 <retry> well I am looking just at the webos-internals feed
Aug 27 18:27:09 <retry> and no freetether :(
Aug 27 18:27:21 <retry> 36 apps total
Aug 27 18:27:32 <dtzWill> maybe we removed it, i honestly don't know
Aug 27 18:27:35 <dtzWill> the ipk's are there though
Aug 27 18:28:00 <retry> yeah...well that's frustrating
Aug 27 18:28:06 <egaudet> and you can use the url in preware to install it
Aug 27 18:29:35 <dtzWill> retry: if it's not in the feeds there's probably a reason for that other than 'we wanted to make your life hard' :)
Aug 27 18:29:57 <retry> sure
Aug 27 18:30:09 <retry> maybe with the recent palm update it was rendered incompatible?
Aug 27 18:30:15 <retry> mytehther inexplicably stopped working for me
Aug 27 18:30:18 <retry> but I had the older, free version
Aug 27 18:30:33 <retry> so I removed it and went looking for something newer/better/freer
Aug 27 18:30:38 <dtzWill> freetether works fine here on 1.4.5
Aug 27 18:31:13 <retry> it's a bit weird though that a lot of freetether threads on precentral seem to have disappeared
Aug 27 18:44:38 <PuffTheMagic> http://www.reddit.com/r/WebOS_Internals/
Aug 27 18:44:40 <retry> thanks
Aug 27 18:44:47 <PuffTheMagic> ^^^ people can post stuff there
Aug 27 18:45:01 <PuffTheMagic> ya know, webosy stuff
Aug 27 20:17:38 <dtzWill> just spent 30 minutes implementing a feature, when to finally tie it back into the rest of the code
Aug 27 20:17:48 <dtzWill> "what's all this code about, hmm"
Aug 27 20:17:53 <dtzWill> @#%#%$@%@ it's already implemented
Aug 27 20:17:54 <dtzWill> hahaha
Aug 27 20:18:07 <dtzWill> x.x
Aug 27 21:18:14 <Robi_> dtzWill: oh no, hehe
Aug 27 21:18:49 <Robi_> fake pre, anyone know more hw/cpu info? http://solomobi.com/viewproduct.asp?pro_id=3512
Aug 27 21:20:08 <idontwan2know> I used one of those KIRF iPhones for about 3 months. Biggest piece of junk in the history of mankind.
Aug 27 21:20:18 <idontwan2know> I wanted to smash it with a hammer every single day.
Aug 27 23:49:34 <xbones21x> is there a way to kill the actual phone calling service and still receive a data connection?
Aug 27 23:50:22 <xbones21x> tired of ppl calling me while I'm using tethering, lmao...
Aug 27 23:55:08 <destrudo> yep.
Aug 28 00:04:52 <halfhalo_pre> mmmmmmm
Aug 28 00:04:55 <halfhalo_pre> outback
Aug 28 00:46:30 <semprance> hi
Aug 28 01:06:09 <semprance> does anyone know what the default character set is in webos?
Aug 28 01:08:55 <en0x> i believe it's utf8
Aug 28 01:19:56 <semprance> ok thanks
Aug 28 01:20:04 <semprance> I kept reading that it was ISO-8859-1
Aug 28 01:25:01 <dtzWill> Super Nintendo Emulator, SuperNES now available in the testing feeds: http://bit.ly/SuperNES-WebOS
Aug 28 01:35:13 <SineOt> PuffTheMagic, en0x: weird. Tethering -does- work. It just... Says that it doesn't on the Pre. ??
Aug 28 01:46:34 <rwhitby> Anyone up for some Preware alpha testing?
Aug 28 01:47:03 <SineOt> sure!
Aug 28 01:48:43 <rwhitby> First, go into your Device Info app, and check the Default Applications screen in the app menu
Aug 28 01:49:12 <rwhitby> Look for an entry for IPK - it should be directly after the .HTML entry
Aug 28 01:49:16 <SineOt> Okay.
Aug 28 01:49:25 <rwhitby> tell me what it says there
Aug 28 01:49:43 <SineOt> First: Do I need an alpha version of Preware?
Aug 28 01:50:40 <Robi_> dtzWill: woot!
Aug 28 01:51:33 <rwhitby> SineOt: no, just normal Preware, public version to start
Aug 28 01:51:59 <SineOt> on my Pixi running 1.4.5 there isn't an IPK entry in the default apps in Device Info
Aug 28 01:52:01 <dtzWill> Robi_: woot indeed :) :D
Aug 28 01:53:31 <Robi_> rwhitby: IPK = Internalz
Aug 28 01:53:45 <rwhitby> excellent. Both follow along then.
Aug 28 01:54:01 <SineOt> that would probably do it, I've never had Internalz installed
Aug 28 01:54:05 <Robi_> INI is in between tho
Aug 28 01:54:07 <rwhitby> In the Preware testing feeds, you will find Preware 1.2.9 - please update to it from inside Preware
Aug 28 01:54:28 <SineOt> oh, well there it is. updating right now
Aug 28 01:55:01 <rwhitby> close the default applications screen.  when you've updated Preware, don't reboot or restart, just open the default applications screen again.
Aug 28 01:55:02 <Robi_> at 1GHz, at once
Aug 28 01:55:42 <Robi_> ok it quit
Aug 28 01:56:03 <rwhitby> yep, that's expectedd
Aug 28 01:56:25 <Robi_> ok that was slow
Aug 28 01:56:36 <Robi_> now IPK entry is clickable and Preware selectable
Aug 28 01:56:56 <SineOt> I'm not seeing a an IPK entry here
Aug 28 01:57:23 <SineOt> although I might have run into another bug D: I hit update all and it updated both a patch and Preware without prompting for a Luna restart
Aug 28 01:57:57 <Robi_> swipe back in device info then default apps again
Aug 28 01:57:58 <SineOt> brb, picking up some carry out for dinner
Aug 28 01:58:21 <rwhitby> Robi_: ok, thanks - yours worked as expected
Aug 28 01:58:35 <Robi_> rwhitby: so this will help with downloads?
Aug 28 01:58:39 <rwhitby> yes
Aug 28 01:58:50 <rwhitby> browser, email, ...
Aug 28 01:59:02 <Robi_> what about when one is browsing the fs with internals
Aug 28 01:59:18 <Robi_> z
Aug 28 01:59:47 <rwhitby> depends what internalz does
Aug 28 01:59:58 <Robi_> .log option for lumberjack?
Aug 28 02:00:00 <rwhitby> but you should install ipks with Preware anywa
Aug 28 02:00:36 <Robi_> couldn't from local fs, right?
Aug 28 02:00:51 <rwhitby> "Install Package" menu item
Aug 28 02:01:00 <rwhitby> been there for a while now
Aug 28 02:01:02 <Robi_> or will it accept root paths
Aug 28 02:01:18 <rwhitby> It has a browser
Aug 28 02:01:25 <Robi_> k
Aug 28 02:02:13 <rwhitby> Seems like I need to sack my PR manager if you thought that Internalz could install stand-alone ipkgs but Preware couldn't, especially when Preware could do it first.
Aug 28 02:02:27 <Robi_> no no
Aug 28 02:02:42 <halfhalo> who's pr
Aug 28 02:02:46 <Robi_> ^
Aug 28 02:02:52 <Robi_> :P
Aug 28 02:02:54 <halfhalo> I blame oil
Aug 28 02:02:57 <dtzWill> rwhitby: lol
Aug 28 02:03:20 <dtzWill> those responsible have been sacked
Aug 28 02:03:20 <Robi_> halfhalo: you give oil way too much credit
Aug 28 02:03:28 <halfhalo> he deserves it
Aug 28 02:03:30 * oil gets blamed for everything
Aug 28 02:03:46 <dtzWill> those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked
Aug 28 02:03:50 * halfhalo does most of the blaming
Aug 28 02:03:50 <Robi_> oil: you're a slippery bugger, it's ok
Aug 28 02:03:51 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 28 02:04:19 <oil> halfhalo: jhojho blames me all the time, too
Aug 28 02:04:22 <Robi_> dtzWill: sounds like sack virtualization
Aug 28 02:04:50 <halfhalo> hmmm
Aug 28 02:07:42 <Robi_> i sure hope palm decides to clean up the errors from the logs
Aug 28 02:07:51 <oil> lol
Aug 28 02:08:19 <Robi_> i'll call that effort NITZ
Aug 28 02:09:23 <Robi_> does turning dev mode off quell some of these?
Aug 28 02:12:35 <Robi_> ooooh, com.palm.app.devmodeswitcher palmInitFramerwork347
Aug 28 02:13:15 <Robi_> new slogan, save some battery, uninstall PBU.
Aug 28 02:13:44 <rwhitby> I've been warning about the app for some time now.
Aug 28 02:13:54 <oil> pbu?
Aug 28 02:14:10 <Mercury> PBU?
Aug 28 02:14:29 <Robi_> pre backup utility
Aug 28 02:14:47 <bougyman> is that any different from rsyncing / ?
Aug 28 02:15:02 <Robi_> yes
Aug 28 02:15:05 <rwhitby> bougyman: yes, it unsafely tries to restore stuff
Aug 28 02:15:12 <bougyman> rwhitby: hrm.
Aug 28 02:15:18 <bougyman> so rsyncing / is safer or less safe?
Aug 28 02:15:32 <bougyman> that's what i've done for like a year.
Aug 28 02:15:48 <rwhitby> any method of saving is fine.  it's the restore which is the problem
Aug 28 02:15:58 <bougyman> right, i've restored 3 times
Aug 28 02:16:03 <bougyman> never had a prob a reboot didn't fix.
Aug 28 02:16:07 <Robi_> db restore probs because of just using cp
Aug 28 02:16:32 <Robi_> need export script instead
Aug 28 02:16:32 <rwhitby> bougyman: did all your synergy entries line up with your palm profile?
Aug 28 02:16:46 <bougyman> i have no idea how to answer that
Aug 28 02:16:57 <bougyman> my phone still works.
Aug 28 02:17:14 <rwhitby> many people report that PBU screws their synergy databse
Aug 28 02:17:16 <SineOt> okay, sorry about that
Aug 28 02:17:29 <SineOt> but checking a few times now, 1.2.9 there's still no IPK entry
Aug 28 02:17:57 <rwhitby> SineOt: try a luna restart first, and if that doesn't work, try a reboot.
Aug 28 02:18:01 <SineOt> oka
Aug 28 02:18:20 <halfhalo> just link windows!
Aug 28 02:18:55 <rwhitby> I suspect the initial extension->mimeType is cached somewhere, whereas the mimeType->application choices are reloaded when you reopen the Default Applications window
Aug 28 02:29:19 <rwhitby> SineOt: any luck?
Aug 28 02:42:11 <SineOt> nope
Aug 28 02:42:23 <SineOt> Luna restart: nothing, full restart: nothing
Aug 28 02:43:59 <Robi_> rwhitby: i just had to gesture back, re-enter default apps from dev info app menu
Aug 28 02:44:57 <rwhitby> SineOt: weird
Aug 28 02:45:09 <SineOt> rwhitby: I'm going to try a full shut down and power on
Aug 28 02:48:50 <SineOt> hm, yeah, still nothing
Aug 28 02:48:59 <SineOt> I'm going to install Internalz and see if that adds it
Aug 28 02:49:43 <SineOt> if it doesn't, I'm going to assume that it's Palm being lazy with feature parity between the Pre and the Pixi on another weird feature
Aug 28 02:50:13 <Robi_> hmm, can we make this linux ver work - http://www.scottastraughan.com/sms2pc/
Aug 28 02:51:13 <SineOt> rwhitby: double weird
Aug 28 02:51:34 <SineOt> installing Internalz added the entry, and I'm able to select Preware as an option for IPK
Aug 28 02:51:49 <rwhitby> hmm
Aug 28 02:51:53 <SineOt> I don't think Preware is creating the IPK entry properly
Aug 28 02:51:59 <SineOt> but is registering itself as an option
Aug 28 02:52:12 <Robi_> bingo
Aug 28 02:52:28 <rwhitby> it's one call that does both
Aug 28 02:52:36 <SineOt> hm
Aug 28 02:52:48 <Robi_> Internalz as a prereq is not a good sign
Aug 28 02:52:58 <SineOt> I don't see what could cause Internalz to properly create the IPK entry where Preware couldn't though
Aug 28 02:53:05 <SineOt> I can select Preware as the default app
Aug 28 02:53:37 <rwhitby> I tested it on a device which does not have Internalz installed, and it worked fine
Aug 28 02:53:52 <SineOt> A Pre I'd assume? :p
Aug 28 02:53:59 <rwhitby> yes
Aug 28 02:54:18 <Robi_> there a pixi emu?
Aug 28 02:54:27 <SineOt> how can I go about starting from as close to scratch with this as I can? Uninstall Internalz, un install Preware, reinstall 1.2.9 via WebOS Quick Install?
Aug 28 02:54:45 <SineOt> Robi_: yes, but all it does is take the Pre emu and change the screen size :I
Aug 28 02:54:54 <SineOt> it doesn't account for the weird little things the Pixi does
Aug 28 02:54:56 <Robi_> uninstalling may not remove the changes
Aug 28 02:55:01 <rwhitby> SineOt: you won't be able to remove the entries
Aug 28 02:55:17 <SineOt> so I'd have to doctor if I wanted to start fresh with testing this?
Aug 28 02:55:27 <rwhitby> (it will look like they are removed, but the extension->mimeType mapping will still be there behind the scenes)
Aug 28 02:55:33 <Robi_> has anyone tried doctoring the emu with a pixi image?
Aug 28 02:55:50 <rwhitby> SineOt: yes
Aug 28 02:56:09 <SineOt> oh, it looks like Palm finally fixed lsmod on the Pixi! It actually shows something now lol
Aug 28 02:56:26 <SineOt> I might give it a shot later tonight then rwhitby
Aug 28 02:56:44 <SineOt> I guess I'm kind of lucky in that I have a phone that if need be I can get replaced even if I manage to bust it horribly :p
Aug 28 02:57:03 <SineOt> The Pixi keyboard > Pre keyboard... Except when it comes to the backlight. I've had the left side die twice on me now
Aug 28 02:57:12 <halfhalo> h
Aug 28 02:57:18 <rwhitby> I need someone else to test it
Aug 28 02:57:42 <SineOt> I sadly only know a lot of people with Pre/Pre+
Aug 28 02:57:50 <SineOt> which both will probably work fine
Aug 28 02:58:32 <rwhitby> I doubt it's a Pixi-specific problem
Aug 28 02:58:57 <Robi_> hmm SMS2PC is a .jar in linux
Aug 28 02:59:05 <Robi_> oil, check it out :P
Aug 28 02:59:37 <SineOt> there's a ton of weird Pixi-specific problems though
Aug 28 02:59:51 <SineOt> lsmod for the longest time didn't run (and made figuring out what modules were loaded an ass)
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