**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 01 02:59:57 2010 Sep 01 03:57:48 you know, I hope you can hide the Just Type window when webOS 2.0 finally lands, if not by option then by a patch Sep 01 06:56:27 morning Sep 01 07:16:39 already? Sep 01 07:17:42 me? Sep 01 07:17:48 just got up, yeah Sep 01 07:18:14 i checketh mine drop boxeth Sep 01 09:47:49 anyone still running 1.4.1? Sep 01 10:37:47 rehi Sep 01 11:02:21 anyone around that works with the patches feed or can check on status of a patch update for me? About a week ago I submitted an update to the haptic feedback manager patch for 1.4.5 after my previous submittal a week or so prior to that of the update was not pushed to the feed correctly for some reason as it was flagged for 1.4.5 but it has the old patch not the new one. The file name that the patch modifies changed in 1. Sep 01 11:08:34 resubmit Sep 01 11:15:34 k I'll send up a third time then. Any idea what is going on and why this keeps happening to stuff I submit? Sep 01 11:17:11 StoneRyno: there's an intermittent problem with the portal, and we're trying to track down what is causing it. resubmitting helps us by giving us another test case. Sep 01 11:18:19 ah Sep 01 11:18:59 then I'm not the only one... i was begining to get a little nutty Sep 01 11:19:59 we think we've got a procedure now which should work Sep 01 11:20:17 then someone later has to go into the code that dBsooner wrote and work out why this particular case is failing Sep 01 11:21:50 ok I just hit the button to submit it Sep 01 11:23:23 as soon as stuff is done on that end I can test the feed on my end to make sure it went through Sep 01 11:25:35 on another note I need a good example to refer to for having multiple drawer widgits in a single scene. I am trying to code the help scene for battery monitor. Sep 01 11:26:21 There are 18 drawers in 3 titled group lists with list items being the drawers Sep 01 11:29:09 do I have to make a method for every single one or is there a way to make it so that there is one method like how a menu works with a listen for the choice and then uses a select case to run the code for the item? Sep 01 11:32:39 let me see Sep 01 11:32:49 i have a list with multiple drawers Sep 01 11:33:09 each drawer has id="drawer_#{id}" in the template Sep 01 11:33:19 that way i can refer it in the listener Sep 01 11:45:30 cool beans, let me know if you need a way to send me the sample code or if it is on git or something I can visit the link Sep 01 11:46:48 pastebin would work Sep 01 11:46:59 do you need a sample? Sep 01 11:48:34 yes please that would be great Sep 01 11:49:19 I had a general idea that it was possible I just don't know how exctly to code certain parts of it Sep 01 11:53:40 hold on Sep 01 11:53:49 you have a list too? Sep 01 12:14:45 sorry I'm bouncing back and forth between tasks. A list of what? Sep 01 12:15:01 the drawers are in a list? Sep 01 12:15:19 oh the drawers are in title list box list items yets Sep 01 12:15:34 *yes Sep 01 12:16:34 in the list template, i added
Sep 01 12:16:54 id is an unique id Sep 01 12:17:49 will it make a difference that I didn't use a list item template? Sep 01 12:20:44 how do you setup your list then? without a template? Sep 01 12:22:34 hard coded in the html for the scene Sep 01 12:22:59 should work the same i think Sep 01 12:23:25 just setup the id with a static unique id Sep 01 12:23:59 i figure since it is a help instructions scene that hard coding the text in the htnl was the best way to do it Sep 01 12:25:06 right Sep 01 12:25:55 and then in the list taphandler, i use: Sep 01 12:25:58 this.controller.get("detailDrawer_" + event.item.id).mojo.toggleState(); Sep 01 12:26:16 here my id comes from the list model Sep 01 12:30:28 do I define {id} or is that code for webOS so that it defines it for the event.item.id thing? Sep 01 12:31:02 StoneRyno: do you have the endless Preware asking for .ipk file association problem? Sep 01 12:31:38 I don't think it asks every time Sep 01 12:31:48 how do you setup the list (setupWidget) and how does its model look Sep 01 12:32:41 one sec let me get ya the code Sep 01 12:32:46 k Sep 01 12:33:14 StoneRyno: if it's not asking every time you launch Preware, then it's not the problem Sep 01 12:34:31 this.controller.setupWidget('Initial Battery %', {}, this.drawerModel); **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 01 12:36:29 2010 Sep 01 12:36:30 later nslu2-log Sep 01 12:37:03 stoneryno: ah, you don't have a list at all Sep 01 12:37:12 what's your taphandler listening on then? Sep 01 12:38:01 i didn't get that far, i ws trying to piece it together from the crummy examples for the drawers in the sdk samples Sep 01 12:38:29 if you want i can send ya the whole code for the html for the scene Sep 01 12:38:59 oh, i see Sep 01 12:39:15 i don't think i was doin the JS side correctly Sep 01 12:39:39 i guess you could use a list and a template Sep 01 12:39:58 then you'd only have to listen on the list Sep 01 12:41:43 perhaps I went the wrong direction in the design then Sep 01 12:42:05 it was all copy paste so it didn't take me very long to do the html Sep 01 12:42:48 only typing i had to do was the names for each of the drawers Sep 01 12:43:23 it might work Sep 01 12:43:31 question is now how would you do the listeners? Sep 01 12:43:44 guess you could enclose all those drawers in a DIV an listen on that Sep 01 12:43:58 that's where i stopped because it was looking like over coding Sep 01 12:44:57 i figured there had to be a way to do a single thing for the whole lump rather than defining 18 things and then 18 listeners etc Sep 01 12:46:20 going the template route would mean the contents of the drawer would have to be in the JS instead right? Sep 01 12:47:02 loaded in, yeah Sep 01 12:47:16 the way i do it to load them in when the drawer is expanded Sep 01 12:47:32 alhough your stuff is static, right? Sep 01 12:47:56 yes i believe so Sep 01 12:49:26 basically the idea is the title list are topic categories and the drawers in the list items for each are the headings in the topic and tapping to see the details for the heading Sep 01 12:50:26 right Sep 01 12:50:46 if you want to keep the list static, listen on the document or on a DIV that's enclosing all the drawers Sep 01 12:51:05 from there you just have to figure out which drawer was clicked and expand that Sep 01 12:52:30 sounds good Sep 01 12:53:57 I'll see if I can get it all sorted out later today. it is very late for me i don't usually stay up until sun rise Sep 01 12:54:44 but i think with the info you gave me i should be getting it working Sep 01 12:55:34 allright Sep 01 12:57:44 i'll stop back in after i sleep and work on the code if i have any trouble with getting it working Sep 01 12:58:23 allright Sep 01 18:05:44 whats a good free twitter client that knows how to talk to the new API? Sep 01 18:09:04 Robi_: spaz Sep 01 18:10:05 Is spaz's ui less awful now? Sep 01 18:10:09 I only tried it at release Sep 01 18:10:46 * oil doesnt twitter Sep 01 18:11:07 chrisA: it changed a little Sep 01 18:11:13 i haven't used it since last year so idk Sep 01 19:15:31 spaz still exists? Sep 01 19:25:27 why should it not? Sep 01 19:25:36 i just saw a beta version in palm beta feed Sep 01 19:31:30 i just hadn't seen it anywhere for a long time and the version I used to have got deleted because it was broken Sep 01 19:31:41 so I assumed they had abandoned development on it Sep 01 19:38:42 anyone having issues running navit? Sep 01 19:38:56 whenever I try to run it, the pre pauses temporarily and then just does nothing Sep 01 19:53:25 do u have fstab fixer installed? spotter Sep 01 19:54:27 en0x, yes Sep 01 19:54:31 installed before it though Sep 01 19:54:34 should I reinstall? Sep 01 19:54:42 nah Sep 01 19:54:57 before installing navit or before doing 1.4.5update? Sep 01 20:00:15 I did 1.4.5 update Sep 01 20:00:17 the installed navit Sep 01 20:00:23 then installed fstab fixer Sep 01 20:00:27 have rebooted since Sep 01 20:00:44 hmm Sep 01 20:00:49 never mind, seems to just load Sep 01 20:00:49 weird Sep 01 20:01:00 or least got a black card Sep 01 20:01:07 k Sep 01 20:01:12 time to go home now anyway Sep 01 20:01:20 what's big in 2.0? Sep 01 20:01:33 stacks! Sep 01 20:01:37 exhibition! Sep 01 20:16:50 I gotta send in my request for the beta Sep 01 21:37:25 tmzt: Quite a lot, actually. Sep 01 22:20:48 Um...hello? Sep 01 22:20:54 Um... Hi :3 Sep 01 22:21:09 Hey, I'm kinda (well totally) new to this. Sep 01 22:21:18 Is said to come here to chat for help, I beleive? Sep 01 22:21:23 it* Sep 01 22:22:13 help with what? Sep 01 22:22:15 Depends on what you need help with, but yes Sep 01 22:22:51 Well, I've just installed preware. Sep 01 22:23:07 I've been trying to get the vertual keyboard running. Sep 01 22:23:21 But I always get this installation error. Sep 01 22:26:49 Hello..? Sep 01 22:26:57 What error? Sep 01 22:27:58 Let me send it to you (I've since closed out, I'll attempt to re-install and send it) Sep 01 22:29:00 okay Sep 01 22:33:19 It says "Patch. Error Installing: See IPKG Log" Sep 01 22:33:51 And what does the IPKG log say? Sep 01 22:34:46 Well I'll assume everything in Green installed correctly, so looking at the red it says: Sep 01 22:34:48 -1: Unable to run command: /usr/bin/luna-send -n 6 luna://com.palm.appinstaller/installNoVerify '{"subscribe":true, "target": "/media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.patches.add-onscreen-keyboard_1.4.1-7_all.ipk", "uncompressedSize": 0}' 2>&1 Sep 01 22:35:05 well that's a new one :9 Sep 01 22:35:26 did you try the magical turn it off and back on again? otherwise I have nothing much to say! Sep 01 22:35:28 D: Is that bad? Sep 01 22:35:42 And I did try that. Sep 01 22:35:52 I dunno, it's just not one that I've ever seen personally Sep 01 22:36:03 Someone said I could install an older version of it through web OS Intaller Sep 01 22:36:07 So I may try that Sep 01 22:36:11 how are you installing it Sep 01 22:36:28 Through preware Sep 01 22:36:34 Preware 1.3.5? Sep 01 22:36:37 ok, just making sure Sep 01 22:36:41 The attempted one, at least. Sep 01 22:36:51 egaudet: speaking of Virtual Keyboard, any news on the Pixi landscape build? :9 Sep 01 22:36:52 But someone said it's just a "placeholder" Sep 01 22:37:05 And to try an older version on webos installer Sep 01 22:37:11 (gotta love forums) Sep 01 22:40:34 update feeds Sep 01 22:40:37 always use preware Sep 01 22:40:46 dont do drugs Sep 01 22:40:54 all words of wizdom Sep 01 22:40:56 people in forums will suggest everything under the sun Sep 01 22:41:54 pat your tummy and rub your head, jump around 3 times then face north north east and throw your pre 9.6 feet (NO MORE NO LESS) during solar noon Sep 01 22:42:32 Ahaha alright. Sep 01 22:43:05 I just tried installing the virtual keyboard through WebOS Quick install, though. Sep 01 22:43:18 So we'll see. Sep 01 22:43:38 egaudet: was the update feeds directed at me, or at Ted__ Sep 01 22:43:58 Ted_ Sep 01 22:44:07 pixi landscape will go to feeds shortly Sep 01 22:44:38 and it shouldn't be trying to install -7 because -9 is the latest version Sep 01 22:44:47 that's why I said to update feeds you may have stale feed data Sep 01 22:46:22 Okay, one more question. Sep 01 22:46:30 I feel if I start fresh I'll get this to work. Sep 01 22:46:51 So is there a way to reset my pre to settingf from before I did all this webos/preware stuff? Sep 01 22:47:35 Yeah, just use the WebOS doctor for your phone/carrier and it'll restore all the system files to stock and leave your USB (eg, photos music etc) untouched. Sep 01 22:47:51 SO I won't loose contacts? Sep 01 22:48:14 Ted__: keep those contacts well restrained, you dare not loose them! Sep 01 22:48:19 You -should- have them in your Palm Profile (so back up with the Backup app first) but there is a chance, yeah Sep 01 22:48:46 I just use Google Contacts, since it means that they're off in the cloud and editable from anywhere, but that's just me Sep 01 22:48:57 How do I backup? Sep 01 22:49:12 On the last page of the launcher there should be an app called "Backup" Sep 01 22:49:29 It says it backs up automatically every day. Sep 01 22:49:31 once loose, who knows what they might do? Sep 01 22:49:33 it's supposed to do that automatically each day but sometimes it sort of forgets Sep 01 22:49:34 :P Sep 01 22:49:42 is the "Last backup" date fairly recent? Sep 01 22:49:45 So is it safe to run webos doctor? Sep 01 22:49:50 And yes. Sep 01 22:50:05 Then yeah, I've done it before and it's a pretty straight forward process. Sep 01 22:50:15 Okay, lets see how thisgoes lol Sep 01 22:50:18 If you want to be extra safe use Backup/Restore from Preware to backup the app settings Sep 01 22:50:43 I plug in as 'Just Charge' still, right? Sep 01 22:50:51 And I didn't do much of anything on preware xD Sep 01 22:51:05 did you try to update feeds Sep 01 22:51:25 Yes. Sep 01 22:51:36 have you ever had vkb installed before Sep 01 22:51:43 Nope. Sep 01 22:51:44 try to go to saved package list and hit update Sep 01 22:51:59 then update feeds and try again Sep 01 22:52:09 Okay, let me try. Sep 01 22:52:22 I think I'm on 1.4.2 for the pre itself Sep 01 22:52:25 if that means anything Sep 01 22:52:45 yes Sep 01 22:52:51 restart preware Sep 01 22:53:03 maybe need to reboot the device Sep 01 22:53:19 then update feeds Sep 01 22:53:28 it should be getting 1.4.2-9 not 1.4.1-7 package Sep 01 22:53:56 No, no, no. I mean the OS on the palm pre itself said 1.4.2 under device information. Sep 01 22:54:39 I just updated my saved package list and this poped up Sep 01 22:54:58 GNU Patch, Lsdiff, PReware and Virtual Keyboard Sep 01 22:56:02 so you have installed it before Sep 01 22:56:09 uninstall it Sep 01 22:56:15 the Virtual keyboard Sep 01 22:56:24 I've atempted too. Like I said, I got an error while installing. That's my problem. Sep 01 22:57:43 What should I do from here then? I'll hold off on WebOD Doctor since this is litterally all I've tried to install. Sep 01 22:57:50 webOS* Sep 01 22:58:16 Try uninstalling it. Hit the entry in the saved package list and see if it says "Remove" or something along those lines on the bottom Sep 01 22:59:00 Will do. Sep 01 22:59:41 It said Lune restart required. Sep 01 22:59:48 Ok or Later? Sep 01 23:00:08 hit okay Sep 01 23:00:53 Will do. Sep 01 23:01:36 I'm reconnected again. Sep 01 23:01:58 Should I remove the other packages? Sep 01 23:02:01 Relaunch Preware, and update the saved package list again. Virtual Keyboard shouldn't be there Sep 01 23:02:04 No, they're fine Sep 01 23:02:35 But they were installed along-side the keyboard. (It said it needed them to run) Sep 01 23:02:58 Yeah, LSDiff and GNU Patch are needed for any patches, they're not specific to the Virtual Keyboard Sep 01 23:03:19 Those two applications are how Preware applies the patches to other files Sep 01 23:03:50 Okay, then I'll keep 'em. Sep 01 23:04:02 So now I have GNU Patch, Lsdiff and Preware. Sep 01 23:04:39 Now try giving the phone a full restart, then launch Preware and update the feeds again Sep 01 23:04:46 Will do! Sep 01 23:04:48 After that's finished, try reinstalling the Virtual Keyboard patch Sep 01 23:04:49 In the meantime. Sep 01 23:04:54 Thanks for all the help :) Sep 01 23:07:12 I try :x Sep 01 23:07:39 So, refresh the feed? Sep 01 23:07:46 yeah Sep 01 23:07:52 M'kay. Sep 01 23:07:56 and then see what version of Virtual Keyboard it's trying to install Sep 01 23:08:19 Okay. Sep 01 23:08:20 it should be like, 1.4.2-9 Sep 01 23:08:36 It's under Packages -> Patch -> Mojo Sep 01 23:08:50 Just as a side note. Sep 01 23:09:14 It says I have package updates. Sep 01 23:09:22 I normally just use "List of Everything" and type to search Sep 01 23:09:33 what are the package updates for? Sep 01 23:09:54 GNU Patch/Lsdiff Sep 01 23:10:04 Update those then~ Sep 01 23:10:23 Got it Sep 01 23:10:32 okay, I'll go your rout with finding it Sep 01 23:11:26 It says a.4.2-9 Sep 01 23:11:28 if you know what you're looking for by name, it saves you trying to figure out what category it's in ;3 Sep 01 23:11:31 okay Sep 01 23:11:33 try installing it Sep 01 23:11:39 that should be the right version Sep 01 23:11:51 It says I need one other package. Sep 01 23:11:56 yup Sep 01 23:11:57 Install/Update it Sep 01 23:11:57 that's normal Sep 01 23:11:58 ? Sep 01 23:12:00 yup yup Sep 01 23:12:03 Okay. Sep 01 23:12:07 Cross your fingers. Sep 01 23:12:43 Patch. Package installed: Luna Restart Is Required. Sep 01 23:12:46 Okay or later? Sep 01 23:13:03 okay Sep 01 23:13:13 So...did it work? Sep 01 23:13:55 Only one way to find out, and that's to wait for Luna to restart! Sep 01 23:13:58 and then to try it :Q Sep 01 23:14:22 Okay, we resterted. Sep 01 23:14:28 So, I launch it, how, exactly? Sep 01 23:15:35 You'll have to pull up something that has a typing field (web browser works great for testing it) Sep 01 23:15:41 and then you double tap in the gesture area Sep 01 23:16:00 and then poof, like magic, there it is Sep 01 23:16:19 The gester area is the white led strip, right? Sep 01 23:16:48 the areas just to the sides of that Sep 01 23:17:14 double tapping the white led strip will just minimize the card :3 Sep 01 23:17:29 I feel like a dirty cheater Sep 01 23:17:42 Nothing's happening :c Sep 01 23:17:59 do you have a text field selected? (eg, blinking little text cursor | ) Sep 01 23:18:14 Yes. Sep 01 23:18:26 double tap a little faster Sep 01 23:18:33 if it's going to pop up, normally the cursor stops blinking Sep 01 23:18:37 On both sides or one side? Sep 01 23:18:41 just one side Sep 01 23:18:45 like, tap release tap Sep 01 23:18:54 like a double click I guess Sep 01 23:20:04 Does it matter if the phone is slid open or not? Sep 01 23:20:29 Shouldn't, no Sep 01 23:20:41 Then, still, nothing. Sep 01 23:20:48 hum Sep 01 23:21:02 well, just keep trying to double tap, like I said sometimes it's hard to get the timing just right Sep 01 23:22:18 I'm double checking preware to see if it's really installed. Sep 01 23:22:38 Because precentral has a video and I did it just so, and stil, nothing. Sep 01 23:23:09 VKB Default Themes and Configuration Sep 01 23:23:11 tap like crazy on the side Sep 01 23:23:12 Is what installed. Sep 01 23:23:24 install virtual keyboard Sep 01 23:23:25 then Sep 01 23:23:52 I guess it just installed that 1 package it needed, and not itself. Sep 01 23:24:23 It says Success. Sep 01 23:24:28 But the wheel keeps spinning. Sep 01 23:24:57 Give it a second. Preware runs a dry test to see if there'd be problems, then it reports success if there isn't, and -then- it finally installs Sep 01 23:25:36 Ahh! I see it now! Sep 01 23:25:41 It wants another restart. Sep 01 23:25:45 Shall I go for it? Sep 01 23:25:51 yup Sep 01 23:25:58 in general, if it asks for a restart, do it Sep 01 23:26:03 Okay! Sep 01 23:26:14 Thank yo uguys so much, I think we're getting somewhere! lol Sep 01 23:26:18 unless you're installing a few patches at once, then I say wait or whatever and only restart on the last patch install to save time Sep 01 23:26:34 I'll keep that noted! Sep 01 23:26:48 Okay, so I guess I;ll test it Sep 01 23:26:56 I used to restart after every patch, but man... It takes forever to get anything done then :p Sep 01 23:27:07 Hey guys. Sep 01 23:27:12 Guess what I have on my pre. Sep 01 23:27:14 :) Sep 01 23:27:32 A virtual keyboard? ;P Sep 01 23:27:38 a crazy persons hack-a-keyboard ? Sep 01 23:28:09 egaudet: if anyone's crazy, it's me for installing the virtual keyboard on a Pixi where the keyboard is always there ;P Sep 01 23:28:10 Haha yess! Sep 01 23:28:21 Why would you do that!? Sep 01 23:28:26 How can you even hit the keys? Sep 01 23:28:47 Easy, really, the virtual keyboard is about as wide as the physical one! Sep 01 23:28:59 Hahaha, nice! Sep 01 23:29:08 but it's because I do a lot of browsing and such with it in landscape, and I hate having to switch the phone from sideways to vertical to answer an IM Sep 01 23:29:10 then switch back Sep 01 23:29:16 Well, thank you guys so much for everything! Sep 01 23:29:25 Do you mind if I ask a few more questions? Sep 01 23:29:41 if you don't mind a few answers (or bad attempts at them) Sep 01 23:29:53 SineOt, so -10 with pixi landscape pushed, should be autobuilt to feeds in 15 Sep 01 23:30:02 egaudet: <3 Sep 01 23:30:09 Hey, your last answer got me a keyboard! Sep 01 23:30:35 Okay, so, on WebOS Quick Install when I hit the blue down arrow, nothing happens. Sep 01 23:30:52 IT worked when installing Preware, bt then I tried adding another source, and this happeend. Sep 01 23:31:00 but* Sep 01 23:33:25 Generally, you should be able to use Preware for pretty much everything Sep 01 23:33:38 I only use WebOS Quick Install well, to install Preware and that's about it Sep 01 23:34:39 I know, but just in case, is there any way of fixing it? Sep 01 23:35:46 I dunno. WebOS Quick Install is done by Canuck, not webOS-internals Sep 01 23:35:48 I feel like one of those helpless "newbs," see, I do support like this for the PSP and iPhone/Pod Touch hackers. xD Sep 01 23:36:15 role reversal sucks Sep 01 23:36:25 And okay! Thank you anyway! Unless I need it for anything (like removing a package), I'll just leave it be. Sep 01 23:36:29 I use the SDK and palm-install to install Preware personally. works on all webOS versions ... Sep 01 23:36:48 Ted__: ive always, always, had trouble with custom feeds in quick isntall Sep 01 23:37:40 So, do I need Quick Install for anything else...? Sep 01 23:37:46 Not really. Sep 01 23:37:58 So basically just to install preware? Sep 01 23:38:02 not even that Sep 01 23:38:09 Well, in my case. Sep 01 23:38:09 And even then you don't really need it. Sep 01 23:38:15 Okay. Sep 01 23:38:24 Can I remove it from my computer then? Sep 01 23:38:29 Yup. Sep 01 23:38:38 :D Sep 01 23:38:49 Should I keep WebOS doctor just incase? Sep 01 23:39:43 Ted__: I would, it doesn't hurt to have around and you may need it someday. Sep 01 23:39:56 Okay. I'll keep it. Sep 01 23:40:08 I have two more questions for you guys, if you wouldn't mind. Sep 01 23:40:28 Do I need to keep my device in developer mode any longer, since I've already installed preware? Sep 01 23:40:39 devmode is needed for quick install Sep 01 23:40:46 not that I know of, but I just do anyways Sep 01 23:40:47 after that you dont need it Sep 01 23:40:51 mostly because I always forget to turn it off Sep 01 23:40:56 but, i dont think ive ever turned it off Sep 01 23:41:18 don't you need it on for novaterm? Sep 01 23:41:27 you do Sep 01 23:41:37 I'll keep it on. Sep 01 23:41:38 devmode is needed for SDK too Sep 01 23:41:41 that's probably why I leave it on Sep 01 23:41:47 I just read it;s a "security risk" Sep 01 23:41:53 So I thought I'd ask. Sep 01 23:41:54 it's not Sep 01 23:42:02 * oil mades devmode worm Sep 01 23:42:03 any novacom communication PC -> device. Most of us have devmode on always Sep 01 23:42:07 and rickrolls everyone Sep 01 23:42:18 it could be, but... if someone already has your phone and can plug it in to make use of it, you're kind of already screwed anyways Sep 01 23:42:27 has anyone ever made use of the Palm remote wipe thing? Sep 01 23:42:30 yeah, physical access = game over Sep 01 23:42:42 I don't let anyone touch my phone xD Sep 01 23:42:51 if someone can get you to run a random executable on your machine while you have your phone plugged in... then that's the only security risk ;) Sep 01 23:43:24 part of me wants to try a remote wipe just to try it Sep 01 23:43:34 I did one earlier Sep 01 23:43:38 twas cool Sep 01 23:43:46 do you need doctor to recover from that? Sep 01 23:43:58 no Sep 01 23:44:00 don't think so, I think it just triggers the phone to do a full erase Sep 01 23:44:06 ah, ok Sep 01 23:44:29 yeah I recall we looked at full erase a while back and decided it was quite thorough Sep 01 23:44:30 Okay, my last question is about updates. Sep 01 23:44:33 it's also one hell of a buried feature that I don't think ever gets mentioned like anywhere Sep 01 23:44:37 What do I do if PReware updates? Sep 01 23:44:49 and it's a pain to find on the Palm site last time I looked Sep 01 23:44:53 update it, silly~ Sep 01 23:45:00 Preware can update itself Sep 01 23:45:08 at least for /media/internal and the common databases Sep 01 23:45:21 So I don't need to remove packages or anything? (I read that somewhere) Sep 01 23:45:57 Ted__: you can just update preware from within preware Sep 01 23:46:48 if you do need to remove something, then you can remove it in Preware by going to it in the "Installed Packages" screen and tapping "Remove" Sep 01 23:47:34 and if, for some reason, you wanted to remove Preware too you can just do that from the launcher by holding Orange/Option/That one with the square on it/Whatever that key is called now and tapping Preware and selecting "Delete" Sep 01 23:47:35 Okay. Sep 01 23:47:52 Who would uninstall preware!? Sep 01 23:48:16 I dunno, but just in case you wanted to! Sep 01 23:48:37 Thanks! :D Sep 01 23:48:47 Okay, what is Palm releases a new update. Sep 01 23:48:52 Heh, orange is white on the pre plus, right? Sep 01 23:49:00 I'm on 1.4.2. Sep 01 23:49:00 and on the Pixi/Pixi+ Sep 01 23:49:07 What if that changes? Sep 01 23:49:49 Ideally? AUPT (automatic updating patch technology? I think) should handle most of it, and you just need to launch Preware and hit "Update all" Sep 01 23:49:56 and it'll update everything to the current version Sep 01 23:50:00 it's pretty painless Sep 01 23:50:25 Okay! Sep 01 23:50:32 SineOt: actually, you can uninstall Preware from inside Preware Sep 01 23:50:37 Thanks everyone, I think that covers all my questions! Sep 01 23:51:09 rwhitby: ahaha, good to know, because I don't think I'd have ever tried to uninstall it from inside of itself Sep 01 23:53:10 So, if you guys ever need help with a iPhone/iPod: Touch, or PSP (1000-3000) I'd be happy to try to return the favour of halp! (Although that'd be very hard consitering all you've done) Sep 01 23:53:29 I need help with an iPod Touch ;o Sep 01 23:53:35 Can you send me one of the new ones? :D Sep 01 23:53:58 Ted__: what's a 25 words or less summary of the presentation that just happened about iPod stuff? Sep 01 23:54:51 That's easy. "TOUCHSCREENS! IPHONE WITHOUT THE PHONE! STREAMING! WELP BUTTONS ARE BACK! TV DOESN'T SUCK ANY MORE" Sep 01 23:55:30 wut Sep 01 23:56:39 iPod nano is just a square touchscreen now, iPod Touch is an iPhone without the phone, you can stream content off iOS devices to your TV, the shuffle that ditched buttons entirely last generation has buttons again, and the new AppleTV isn't expensive and mostly useless. :p Sep 02 00:01:18 SineOt: mostly useless depends on what you can hack it to do :) Sep 02 00:02:37 I can only hope that Perian ends up on it again Sep 02 00:05:01 also, really $99 for a netflix streamer with a really good UI that can rent other content isn't that bad Sep 02 00:06:04 but I'm guessing that it's going to be possible to hack it to do lots of other stuff despite what apple wants Sep 02 00:06:04 and it can stream from iTunes, and I'm sure within a few weeks of its release will be figured out to stream from other sources Sep 02 00:06:26 it really depends just on how much space is available, and just how it decodes video Sep 02 00:06:38 I just don't get this whole locked down limited use platform Sep 02 00:06:51 since there's no internal storage, if the built in OS takes up 99% of the file system then you don't have much space to play with Sep 02 00:06:51 once upon a time things being able to do more stuff was a feature Sep 02 00:07:14 and if it uses something simple like a Broadcom H264 decoder on a chip, it might be hard to get other formats to play nicely on it Sep 02 00:13:40 Woargh. Sep 02 00:13:56 Sorry, I needed to give up the computer for a moment. Sep 02 00:14:01 THe new Nano looks redicules. Sep 02 00:15:21 how the fuck does one confirm a friend request on facebook from the pre? Sep 02 00:15:34 I couldn't figure that out either Sep 02 00:15:42 I just loaded it up in the browser and did it through there Sep 02 00:15:58 browser not even working Sep 02 00:16:17 i get "form has expired" Sep 02 00:16:20 what site are you using? touch.facebook.com or x.facebook.com? Sep 02 00:16:33 x i think Sep 02 00:16:39 try touch Sep 02 00:16:40 will try touch Sep 02 00:16:59 I doubtle sleep button and my pre restarted wtf Sep 02 00:17:01 lol Sep 02 00:17:40 yeah sometimes that happens, my Pixi does it took Sep 02 00:17:41 too Sep 02 00:17:50 same problem with touch Sep 02 00:18:10 i think i have cache aids or something Sep 02 00:18:14 Okay, just so I idn't break anything xD Sep 02 00:19:29 krushia_: you try clearing the cache? Sep 02 00:19:42 just did, no luck Sep 02 00:19:59 might bea patch issue Sep 02 00:22:02 Maybe Sep 02 00:22:07 or just facebook being facebook Sep 02 00:24:02 anyway, how difficult is it to shrink the usb partition and grow root partition? Sep 02 00:25:27 So, anyone's thoughts on the new iTouch? Sep 02 00:25:31 why would you need to do that? Sep 02 00:25:47 because my root is full Sep 02 00:25:51 Ted__: it's cool, I suppose. I like that it has the Retina display Sep 02 00:26:01 cuz i'm awesome Sep 02 00:26:35 Well, my headphone jack just died in my touch Sep 02 00:26:43 So I'm looking into getting a new on Sep 02 00:26:45 one* Sep 02 00:32:18 Well, guys. I'm off! Thanks again for all the help! I can't say it enough, you're life savers. Sep 02 00:34:54 krushia_: if your root partition is full, then you are doing something very wrong Sep 02 00:35:10 not really Sep 02 00:35:18 im using linux Sep 02 00:35:19 krushia_: cause well-written homebrew does not install more than a couple of Kb total on the rootfs Sep 02 00:36:01 need space for building Sep 02 00:36:12 sources and such Sep 02 00:36:30 plus link support Sep 02 00:36:32 again, don't do it on the root partition Sep 02 00:36:44 use the meta-doctor to create a new ext3 partition of what ever size you want Sep 02 00:39:01 pft Sep 02 00:39:38 i hate the concept of using a second computer Sep 02 00:40:37 you create the ext3 partition on the device, not the desktop Sep 02 00:41:11 taking space from the media partition Sep 02 00:41:13 what wecould really use is the ability to boot to a fb terminal Sep 02 00:41:48 agreed. what design do you have in mind? Sep 02 00:42:39 I'd suggest you look at getting kexec working first, then you can do a second stage bootloader in linux Sep 02 00:43:09 add an initramfs with a simple menu for console or luna Sep 02 00:45:35 what bugs me is being tied to .24 kernel. its increasingly difficult to backport to it. how many binary modules are keeping us stuck here? Sep 02 00:46:57 wifi & graphics Sep 02 00:52:13 trust me, we know the backporting sucks Sep 02 00:52:28 it makes me sad to see no new kernel Sep 02 00:53:04 wouldn't that be the type of change that could get slipped in with a 2.0 release? does anyone know? Sep 02 01:07:59 is it possible to disable the gesture area? various games have controls dangerously close to it, gets annoying. i envision a service that disables gestures when keyboard is closed on pre Sep 02 01:08:28 Does anyone know how to stop SMS messages showing up on the lock screen? Sep 02 01:09:04 tonyhorse: screen and lock, there's a setting Sep 02 01:09:25 Hi chris, I've looked there but there doesn't seem to be one. Any idea what it's called? Sep 02 01:09:38 Something related to showing notifications when locked Sep 02 01:09:39 it's like "Display while Locked" Sep 02 01:09:50 ohhh Sep 02 01:10:00 Yeah, "Show when Locked" Sep 02 01:10:02 but that then won't show anything Sep 02 01:10:13 chrisA: how did your summer end up? worthwhile? Sep 02 01:10:21 how will I know when a text has been received? Sep 02 01:10:39 It'll flash the gesture area. Sep 02 01:11:11 ah ok. Surprised there isn't a patch to allow you to choose what appears as the notifications Sep 02 01:12:23 I think there might be? Sep 02 01:12:31 Called like Text Message Privacy or something Sep 02 01:12:37 it still shows it, just blocks out the content blurb Sep 02 01:12:44 bpadalino: it's weird, ask later Sep 02 01:13:59 Sine0t - oh yeah? Where abouts? Sep 02 01:14:27 somewhere in Preware, I think? Sep 02 01:14:38 ok I'll check..... Sep 02 01:14:40 dunno, just check out the list of everything and put in privacy, I'm sure it'll pop up somewhere Sep 02 01:17:06 chrisA: you got it, boss Sep 02 01:17:49 Sine0t: Messaging Privacy it's callled. Thanks! Sep 02 01:30:58 sconix: your patches are awesome, just so you know. <3 Sep 02 01:36:09 Soooo.... who wants to build an HDR camera app? :) http://www.cultofmac.com/eye-popping-hdr-photography-now-standard-on-iphone/57433 Sep 02 01:36:25 you know, I don't know if this would even be possible, but: Is there a way to unlock video play back so that you can rotate the phone the -other- way too? Sep 02 01:38:07 it's fine on the Pre, since if it's closed it's basically symmetrical, but on the Pixi... Sometimes I want to watch it with the keyboard on the left, not on the right :p Sep 02 01:42:46 egaudet: oops, found a bug in -10! if you open the Sym menu with the Pixi in landscape, it distorts all weird Sep 02 01:43:27 dgathright: that would be fantastic Sep 02 01:43:55 heck if the next webos phone managed to output RAW, i would be impressed/happy Sep 02 01:45:52 do any phones right now output RAW? Sep 02 01:51:15 how raw is raw ? Sep 02 01:51:27 it's burn the skin off your knuckles raw Sep 02 01:51:38 bayer filter still applied ? Sep 02 01:51:59 egaudet: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/messaging_2010-01-09_184105.png screen capture of what I'm talking about Sep 02 01:52:28 no phones that i know of now capture RAW Sep 02 01:53:09 noted, thanks Sep 02 01:53:35 there is this ... http://teavuihuang.com/dng/ Sep 02 01:54:20 it would be nice if webos2.0 came with a barcode reader api too =) Sep 02 01:54:31 it would need an auto focus cam first ;P Sep 02 01:55:47 write it in node Sep 02 01:58:14 bpadalino: are you volunteering? =) Sep 02 01:58:34 i wrote an SDL wrapper for the stuff in C++ for zxing .. Sep 02 01:58:40 but the camera was pretty weak Sep 02 01:59:01 hm! speaking of SDL. Does SDL work properly with 1.4.5 on the Pixi now? Sep 02 01:59:09 give it a shot? Sep 02 02:11:17 bpadalino: still. Sep 02 02:11:27 were the images captured usable? Sep 02 02:16:04 no Sep 02 02:16:15 too blurry - couldn't focus appropriately Sep 02 02:16:29 was too small to discern when held far away Sep 02 02:18:32 wonder if we could mod the lens Sep 02 02:18:36 so that it would work Sep 02 02:19:22 http://www.diyphotography.net/super-macro-your-cellphone-camera-with-a-dvd-lens Sep 02 02:21:18 most lkely Sep 02 02:21:20 likely rather **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 02 02:59:58 2010