**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 07 02:59:57 2010 Sep 07 04:35:13 heya all, been away a while Sep 07 04:36:00 What's the status now on uNiXpSyChO's kernels? I'm running F102 Delta Dagger, and only want/use 800 screenstate... Sep 07 04:36:07 Is all that now in the latest Uber? Sep 07 04:37:27 (as I was previosuly running uNiXpSyChO's own ver because screenstate was buggy from Uber when on Touchstone Sep 07 05:26:30 did anybody see this http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/web/govnah5 Sep 07 05:27:41 wow... Sep 07 05:29:06 just thought rwhitby and the guys would like to see it Sep 07 05:32:06 interesting! Sep 07 05:32:14 yup Sep 07 05:32:54 we should sue Sep 07 05:40:57 Wonder why they added the 5 Sep 07 05:41:14 dunno Sep 07 05:41:32 makes me laugh though Sep 07 05:43:17 because 5 is better than 4, 3, 2, 1 Sep 07 05:45:48 it is comical. did you guys go to the homepage? http://www.preware.com/ Sep 07 05:46:00 yup Sep 07 05:47:14 too funny. Sep 07 05:47:35 I am losing my patience for running my own mail server Sep 07 05:47:51 google apps ftw Sep 07 05:48:08 Moving more to google doesn't sound like a good idea Sep 07 05:48:34 hosted exchange? Sep 07 05:51:32 fake govnah is lol Sep 07 05:52:18 its even an old screenshot :) Sep 07 05:52:19 lies Sep 07 05:52:25 yup Sep 07 05:53:00 google_maps-- Sep 07 05:53:16 looks like its already been removed though Sep 07 05:53:46 nope, just got added Sep 07 05:53:56 ah Sep 07 05:53:57 takes a few hours for it to finish showing up Sep 07 05:54:36 ugg... I need theoretical help with my program for node Sep 07 05:55:38 stupid design decisions Sep 07 05:55:41 I can theoretically answer (and theoretically, have a slim chance of being right!) Sep 07 05:56:45 basically I have two options for my irc logging script. Right now it properly logs and saves files as json, and that (apart from mode) works perfectly. my issue is with the showing of the logs Sep 07 05:57:20 I can either generate individual html, xml, and json files and have an underlying webserver deliver them Sep 07 05:57:45 OR make the node script host the files itself and build the html and xml dynamically off the json Sep 07 05:58:08 I think the biggest question is how easily you want them to be readable off the device Sep 07 05:58:18 it seems like the first one would be the easiest to make that happen with, right? Sep 07 05:58:24 option 2 does offer easier live viewing integration Sep 07 05:59:13 well... actually making the files in option 2 is easy, but the stuff like navigation for that would be tricky Sep 07 06:00:26 wouldn't it be just as easy in option one, since you'd be generating the same html/xml off the same json, just this time saving it to a file instead? Sep 07 06:01:12 option two doesn't save the file, but would let me provide a view that updates in real time using websockets Sep 07 06:02:43 morning Sep 07 06:03:59 it still basically generates the whole thing though, doesn't it? Sep 07 06:04:27 yeah, but doesn't save it.. which as I think of it is retarted Sep 07 06:04:41 why am I caring about at most, a miniscule amount of disk space Sep 07 06:08:06 yeah Sep 07 06:08:51 all that I need to add to this script would be a websockets server Sep 07 06:10:17 how difficult would that be? Sep 07 06:10:36 (and realistically how often would someone be viewing a log that was still open to need live updating) Sep 07 06:10:59 not that difficult... would just make the client script js do all the channel seperating methinks Sep 07 06:16:28 so halfhalo, was my input at all helpful even if I've never really coded anything before? ;o Sep 07 06:16:45 yup Sep 07 07:08:14 Sep 07 07:46:09 :) Sep 07 08:00:01 lots of wircer enter/exits :) Sep 07 10:07:32 hmmm Sep 07 10:12:17 hmm? Sep 07 13:17:07 !list Sep 07 13:17:22 ciao a tutti Sep 07 13:17:33 !list Sep 07 13:17:50 ciao Sep 07 13:17:56 hi, are there some french people here? are SFR palm-pre plus simlocked? Sep 07 13:18:06 hold on, i'll call someone Sep 07 13:18:10 ragazzi un canele per scaricare Sep 07 13:19:40 i think the SFR phones are locked Sep 07 13:19:54 head over to #webos ... ask warpdesign Sep 07 13:19:57 he's french Sep 07 13:20:13 ok thanks Sep 07 13:23:00 if u want to do any wifi hacking later today let me know Sep 07 13:23:03 GNUtoo|laptop, ^ Sep 07 13:24:00 PuffTheMagic, ok thanks a lot, I'll ping you Sep 07 13:24:10 but I'm very busy today Sep 07 13:24:26 I'm looking at the possibility to buy a pre Sep 07 13:24:33 it has to be unlocked Sep 07 13:24:38 aka not simlocked Sep 07 13:24:41 else it's useless Sep 07 13:24:43 germany sells them unlocked Sep 07 13:24:49 I'm in france right now Sep 07 13:24:53 u should be able to get some on ebay Sep 07 13:24:54 I can't go in germany Sep 07 13:25:07 I don't like ebay, I'm a suspicious person Sep 07 13:25:07 germany isn't that far away, is it? :) Sep 07 13:25:18 my time is rather limited Sep 07 13:25:19 i just got a pixi plus from ebay, no problems Sep 07 13:25:23 ok Sep 07 13:25:28 unlocked Sep 07 13:25:30 180 euros Sep 07 13:25:31 ok Sep 07 13:25:37 wow only 180E Sep 07 13:25:52 the palm pre plus is 429E with the sim card Sep 07 13:25:57 without contract Sep 07 13:25:59 GNUtoo|laptop, no worry, im pretty busy today to, but do ping me if you find time Sep 07 13:26:04 ok Sep 07 13:26:12 GNUtoo|laptop, u have to be able to get a used one cheaper Sep 07 13:26:30 if you are just using it to play with Sep 07 13:34:02 PuffTheMagic, basically I want to eat my own dogfoode Sep 07 13:34:11 s/e$// Sep 07 13:34:17 else I don't find any bugs Sep 07 17:04:30 if anyone can help, wIRC is not showing in my preware (i just replaced my phone), is there a feed i need to add? Sep 07 17:04:52 what phone/carrier/webos version Sep 07 17:05:11 yeah ... are you on 1.4.5, solix? Sep 07 17:05:44 verizon, palpre+, webos 1.4.1.1 Sep 07 17:05:55 wirc needs 1.4.5, sorry Sep 07 17:05:57 lemmie double check, Thanks.. Sep 07 17:06:07 verizon doesn't have 1.4.5 yet :( Sep 07 17:06:15 you can still install the old wirc version though Sep 07 17:06:16 no it dosent.. :/ heh Sep 07 17:06:24 .0.0.3? Sep 07 17:06:37 i will try that.. *thanks* Sep 07 17:06:42 hey another quick Q: Sep 07 17:06:44 also, it appears i cannot tether/mytether AND surf Web *from phone* at the same time now.. says "no internet connection/please enable your network" Sep 07 17:07:00 old wirc: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.wirc_0.2.4_arm.ipk Sep 07 17:07:03 i IUSE to be able to do that on my pre-replacement phone, same WebOS, etc.. Sep 07 17:07:15 awesome, thanks halfhalo.. Sep 07 17:09:37 any ideas on the 'internet' not available *via PHONE*, when i tether, (but the tethering does bring me access, just seems to not Share it *anymore*), TIA Sep 07 17:09:58 wait... how are you tethering... Sep 07 17:10:11 mytether/USB Sep 07 17:10:28 i used it prior to this phone, and it was just fine.. before. Sep 07 17:10:48 your on vzw... use mobilehotspot... its free... Sep 07 17:11:29 my mobile spot isnt as good... (priobably my wireless on my laptop) when i tether i can keep a good connection.. Sep 07 17:12:13 I have no experience tethering, sorry... Sep 07 17:12:31 no problem.. appreciate the help :) Sep 07 17:13:08 ok, i will get the wirc back up, and hopefully rejoin ya sometime.. hehe Thanks abunch Sep 07 17:50:40 Hey all Sep 07 17:56:20 :) re Sep 07 17:56:37 yay, wirc Sep 07 17:56:44 its a pos! Sep 07 17:56:50 ;( Sep 07 17:56:57 * halfhalo kids Sep 07 17:57:17 it rocks, you know it :) Sep 07 17:57:22 haha Sep 07 17:58:10 now if I can just get my internet/sharing working.. hha Sep 07 18:09:24 * Mousey wonders what Arnie is Sep 07 18:10:16 the govnah of california Sep 07 18:10:33 terminator! Sep 07 18:11:21 mr universe? Sep 07 18:14:52 OH! Sep 07 18:14:56 i GET it Sep 07 18:14:59 * Mousey facepalms Sep 07 18:15:04 hah Sep 07 18:23:08 oh my Sep 07 18:23:37 * oilsworkn thinks that subtitle causes far too much confustion Sep 07 18:23:44 confusion* Sep 07 18:23:57 indeed Sep 07 18:24:05 i think they rock Sep 07 18:24:14 * halfhalo is lost Sep 07 18:24:31 people kept changing the govnah wiki page to be all "its an inside joke having to do with arnold" Sep 07 18:24:34 govnah tagline: much better than arnie Sep 07 18:24:36 when that wasn't the case at all Sep 07 18:24:51 it was called govnah for lack of a better name Sep 07 18:25:05 and at the time, it was only for changing governors Sep 07 18:27:12 some things stick Sep 07 18:28:23 * oilsworkn will never understand Sep 07 18:28:52 * halfhalo pats oil on the back Sep 07 18:29:34 i think the only criteria for it was to distinguish the name from anything else so its easily googleable Sep 07 18:33:06 blarg! anytime I connect With hotspot OR tether I loose Phone internet.. just drops. :/ Sep 07 18:35:17 but at least the Wirc is working! that's what counts ;) hehe Sep 07 18:35:50 yay Sep 07 18:36:14 heh Sep 07 18:36:16 but its wirc 0.2.4 Sep 07 18:36:19 bleh Sep 07 18:36:25 yea :/ Sep 07 18:36:35 vzn :) Sep 07 18:36:49 ;( Sep 07 18:37:03 024 is garbage compared to 032 Sep 07 18:37:23 it is Sep 07 18:37:40 I have seen the light that is wirc 030 Sep 07 18:37:48 I'm stuck WindBell /wos 1.4.1.1 for now Sep 07 18:37:49 hah Sep 07 18:37:53 lol Sep 07 18:38:05 So is there a hybrid wirc for pixi now? Sep 07 18:38:39 yes Sep 07 18:38:47 only for 145 tho Sep 07 18:38:59 and it is much better Sep 07 18:39:23 it's been switching between evdo and wifi for me nicely Sep 07 18:39:30 wirc hybrid is not working on 1.4.5 for pixi according to PuffTheMagic Sep 07 18:39:55 well that's coz pixi hybrid is not working afaik Sep 07 18:40:02 right Sep 07 18:40:03 ;d Sep 07 18:40:05 not till 2.0 Sep 07 18:40:07 pixi hybrid worked on 1.4.5 last I heard? Sep 07 18:41:01 last i heard it didn't Sep 07 18:41:05 though i don't have a pixi Sep 07 18:42:28 hm I'll have to poke and find out Sep 07 18:42:43 tell ur dev team to fix it and push an update ;d Sep 07 18:43:00 chrisA: by all means, let me know if it works Sep 07 18:43:08 we can make sure it shows up in preware for pixis if it does Sep 07 18:43:12 I have one person telling me it does work Sep 07 18:43:23 But I'll try to find a more appropriate person Sep 07 18:43:27 we hid the new wirc from pixi because we were told it didnt Sep 07 18:43:41 Where can I grab an ipkg for the current version to try? Sep 07 18:44:00 i can try on a pixi (plus,gsm) too Sep 07 18:44:35 ha Sep 07 18:45:20 dang this is irritating.. heh Sep 07 18:45:21 um Sep 07 18:45:44 that may be a problem Sep 07 18:45:45 lol Sep 07 18:45:53 what did you do... Sep 07 18:46:05 is it in the testing feed? Sep 07 18:46:07 i dont think the autobuilder is doing arm6 builds of wirc 0.3.2 Sep 07 18:46:18 halfhalo: those are all for pre afaik Sep 07 18:47:41 chrisA: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.wirc_0.3.2-1_armv7.ipk Sep 07 18:47:44 is the most recent for pre Sep 07 18:48:09 armv6 isn't being built though Sep 07 18:48:15 build from source? Sep 07 18:48:22 * oilsworkn is not setup for that Sep 07 19:00:04 I can Sep 07 19:00:07 lemme look Sep 07 19:09:53 ok Sep 07 19:10:01 here's the link for wirc on pixi Sep 07 19:10:07 it only works on 145 and above Sep 07 19:10:09 http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/wos/org.webosinternals.wirc_0.3.2-1_armv6.ipk Sep 07 19:10:38 try it out and tell me if it works. I dont have a 145 pixi Sep 07 19:11:10 k Sep 07 19:12:05 hmm Sep 07 19:12:07 palm-install: FAILED_IPKG_INSTALL Sep 07 19:12:55 try again Sep 07 19:13:10 all I did was to remove the device compatability flag Sep 07 19:13:17 and adjust the makefile Sep 07 19:13:37 download again? Sep 07 19:13:57 I didnt update the file Sep 07 19:13:58 what Sep 07 19:14:07 is the cmd that you used to install? Sep 07 19:14:19 palm-install blabla.ipk Sep 07 19:15:29 failed install again Sep 07 19:15:50 did u connect ur pre to your computer? Sep 07 19:15:52 lol Sep 07 19:15:58 swisstomcat: is ur pre in dev mode? :P Sep 07 19:16:13 haha Sep 07 19:16:29 sure it is Sep 07 19:16:37 i just installed two other apps that way Sep 07 19:17:01 then i dunno. u need to ask puff or the palm guys if this will work Sep 07 19:17:21 but i'm pretty sure I saw that hybrid was not avail in 1.4.5 pixi Sep 07 19:18:24 the error might make sense then Sep 07 19:21:34 but chrisA says otherwise Sep 07 19:22:05 you could try ipkg installing from the device but will need to remember to run the postinst by hand later Sep 07 19:41:01 en0x: ALL hybrids dont work with pixis on 1.4.5 Sep 07 19:41:04 its not just wirc Sep 07 19:41:59 bah Sep 07 19:42:08 even the install fails it seems Sep 07 19:42:34 PuffTheMagic: dont tell me tell chrisA that... Sep 07 19:43:15 isnt chrisA a palm employee? Sep 07 19:43:37 he is Sep 07 19:50:35 so why does he needed to be educated about hybrid failure Sep 07 19:53:22 PuffTheMagic: "chrisA > I have one person telling me it does work" Sep 07 19:56:39 was it a palm employee running an unreleaed webos that said that? Sep 07 19:59:35 PuffTheMagic: idk man... ;( Sep 07 20:00:16 test hello?? Sep 07 20:00:59 anyone on? plz :) Sep 07 20:01:31 no tests here Sep 07 20:01:49 ops sorry.. thanks. :/ Sep 07 20:02:55 lol Sep 07 20:03:10 :=P Sep 07 20:15:02 preware keeps suggesting I upgrade my Navit to the one from the feed :( (I have 1.4.1.1 and downloaded the navit that works manually) Sep 07 20:32:46 hey guys Sep 07 20:33:11 hola Sep 07 20:33:38 it was me telling chrisa that Sep 07 20:33:44 12:47 <+PuffTheMagic> so why does he needed to be educated about hybrid failure Sep 07 20:33:51 i thought 1.4.5 added hybrid pdk to both devices Sep 07 20:33:55 1.4.5 was how long ago? Sep 07 20:33:55 my bad Sep 07 20:33:56 :O Sep 07 20:34:05 internally or externally :D Sep 07 20:34:08 sigh Sep 07 20:34:28 i can't install wirc on my pixi Sep 07 20:35:14 1.4.5 brought PDL to both devices Sep 07 20:35:28 Anyways, I'm so far away from the userspace side of things that I don't even know if we run linux anymore Sep 07 20:35:31 but PDL does not work in its entirety on both devices Sep 07 20:35:31 beelzabub can vouch for me Sep 07 20:35:47 yeah - chrisa is completely incompetent Sep 07 20:35:56 ^ Sep 07 20:36:13 lol Sep 07 20:36:22 haha Sep 07 20:36:40 so 2.0 is not based on linux anymore? time to write an email to P|C Sep 07 20:37:03 makes sense .. since HP uses windows internally anyway Sep 07 20:37:11 i don't think chrisA knows what he's doing anymore - his job description AFAIK is to write linux drivers Sep 07 20:37:15 O_o Sep 07 20:37:23 How else do you think we do the fancy effects? It's all Aero Sep 07 20:37:29 see Sep 07 20:37:30 lol Sep 07 20:37:48 i though it was ***4? Sep 07 20:37:59 (censored) Sep 07 20:38:07 also I haven't written a driver since pixie :) Sep 07 20:38:48 but why would palm-install fail on a pixi for wIRC? Sep 07 20:38:59 wouldn't it just fail to run? Sep 07 20:39:17 there is a kernel/fb issue Sep 07 20:39:28 hybrids us sdl for events Sep 07 20:39:34 but dont HAVE to use the display Sep 07 20:39:39 and that pisses of the pixi Sep 07 20:39:43 and something crashes Sep 07 20:39:44 yeah, i understand .. but installing? Sep 07 20:40:38 yeah pdk-install wont work Sep 07 20:40:48 it prob checks the arch Sep 07 20:40:53 ah Sep 07 20:40:53 in the package name or something Sep 07 20:40:55 that was the problem Sep 07 20:41:01 armv6 vs. armv7 Sep 07 20:41:12 i did that on purpose Sep 07 20:41:14 ;) Sep 07 20:41:19 sneaky Sep 07 20:41:22 even though i used no special flags Sep 07 21:32:33 looks like battery is going bad on my pre Sep 07 21:34:38 it went from 32% to 0 in seconds :S Sep 07 21:35:04 hmm Sep 07 21:35:24 i found a thread on PC and it looks like battery going bad... Sep 07 21:35:40 i ha this battery for a little over a year because sprint exchanged the original one Sep 07 21:35:43 :S Sep 07 21:35:45 s/ha/had/ Sep 07 21:38:51 Anyone else seeing the app catalog down? Sep 07 21:39:47 yeah Sep 07 21:41:01 Oh good, I didn't break my phone again then. Sep 07 23:24:36 is there any way for me to download ota updates? Sep 07 23:24:58 for some reason the updater won't pickup any updates at all Sep 07 23:32:38 maybe there is none for you? Sep 07 23:36:35 im on 1.4.1 tho Sep 07 23:36:48 bell got 1.4.5? Sep 07 23:36:59 yea Sep 07 23:37:05 one of the first to get it Sep 07 23:37:48 idk then... maybe someone else will help u Sep 07 23:38:55 hopefully Sep 07 23:47:18 rwhitby: are you the person to ask about custom feeds? (as in why doesn't mine work properly :)) Sep 07 23:50:29 I can get preware to recognize it and the package, but it doens't download or report hte last updated time properly Sep 07 23:51:06 Tibfib: what's the feed URL? Sep 07 23:57:43 Tibfib: dont tell him Sep 07 23:57:46 ;p Sep 07 23:57:57 * oil assumed it went to pm Sep 07 23:58:12 oil's assumptions were correct :) Sep 08 00:02:53 hehe Sep 08 01:43:22 Evening all Sep 08 01:49:24 trying to install preware. says installed, where will i find on phone? Sep 08 01:50:04 Just Type Sep 08 01:50:19 Guest59020: in the app launcher, i would assume. or universal search? Sep 08 01:51:01 didn't work Sep 08 01:51:16 then it's probably not installed Sep 08 01:52:04 http://install.preware.org/ Sep 08 01:52:39 ok, thnx trying again Sep 08 01:53:32 ok, found it. thnx Sep 08 02:03:03 trying to find the fstab fixer. i keep reading that it's in preware Sep 08 02:05:01 available other > linux application > all > EFF Sep 08 02:05:27 do people know you can Just Type in the 'List of Everything'? Sep 08 02:05:32 nope Sep 08 02:05:34 We need like a huge blinking arrow. Sep 08 02:05:36 and a suggestion Sep 08 02:25:14 * Kesareya waves. Sep 08 02:29:56 Kesareya: hallo Sep 08 02:32:14 What goes on here? Sep 08 02:32:39 Kesareya: us, mostly, what would you like to go on here? Sep 08 02:32:46 * Kesareya shrugs. Sep 08 02:33:04 I just got myself a Palm Pre and figured out how easy it is to make apps, so I thought I'd get a little more involved. Sep 08 02:33:29 Kesareya: Well feel free to ask questions :) Some of us have way /too much/ information. The webos-internals.org wiki has a ton of stuff on it too. Sep 08 02:33:55 Yeah, I'm still on the first stage of actually -making- an app, but eh, what the heck. Sep 08 02:34:05 Can't do much until I get an idea, anyway. Sep 08 02:34:37 Kesareya: #webos is generally for discussion involving official apis and things. It might be a good place to ask questions about mojo. Sep 08 02:34:59 Lovely. Sep 08 02:35:39 Yes, many tell me I am. Thank you. Sep 08 02:35:54 XD **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 08 02:59:59 2010