**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 08 02:59:59 2010
Sep 08 03:32:06 <daddysmurf> if I'm new to webos dev, and looking for help w/ a (I'm sure) basic problem with my first actual program, am I in the right place to ask a question?
Sep 08 03:32:26 <egaudet> #webos
Sep 08 03:32:37 <daddysmurf> ty
Sep 08 03:33:31 <__phil__> hi all; my screen just cracked.  I didn't drop it any time recently; last time I dropped it was about 3 or 4 months ago :(  Is there any way to execute PreWare from Novacom so I can install save/restore and save my settings?
Sep 08 03:34:23 <rwhitby> __phil__: there is, but it's not easy unless you are intimately familiar with the Linux command line
Sep 08 03:34:44 <__phil__> rwhitby: I am initimately familiar with linux cmd line
Sep 08 03:34:52 <__phil__> rwhitby: fire away
Sep 08 03:35:40 <rwhitby> __phil__: excellent.  I'll point you to the save/restore scripts repository. you scp each of them over to /var/svc/org.webosinternals.saverestore/ on the device, and then run each of them with a "save" argument
Sep 08 03:36:11 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=tree;f=scripts
Sep 08 03:36:56 <rwhitby> __phil__: in fact, you can palm-install the save/restore ipkg file to get the scripts there
Sep 08 03:37:02 <rwhitby> then just novaterm in and run them
Sep 08 03:37:12 <rwhitby> then grab the data from the USB drive
Sep 08 03:37:53 <__phil__> rwhitby: my thoughts exactly.
Sep 08 03:37:57 <rwhitby> __phil__: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.saverestore_1.0.8_arm.ipk
Sep 08 03:38:15 <__phil__> rwhitby: luckily I still have my dev phone from palm dev day
Sep 08 03:41:47 <__phil__> rwhitby: crapola novacom can't see the device
Sep 08 03:42:00 <rwhitby> __phil__: is dev mode activatedz/
Sep 08 03:42:11 <__phil__> rwhitby shouldn't be
Sep 08 03:42:18 <rwhitby> that's a problem
Sep 08 03:42:44 <rwhitby> __phil__: are you familiar with meta-doctor and initramfs?
Sep 08 03:42:52 <__phil__> rwhitby not so much
Sep 08 03:43:15 <__phil__> device manager shows Palm Novacom as connected to the USB composite device in
Sep 08 03:43:49 <rwhitby> there is a way ("memboot" or "memload", then "mount") in the meta-doctor which allows you boot the device using an initramfs, then mount the flash filesystems to enable you to touch the file which enables developer mode
Sep 08 03:44:42 <rwhitby> __phil__: you can also use the "backup" target in meta-doctor to make a complete filesystem dump of your device, rootfs, /var and /media in separate tarballs.
Sep 08 03:47:04 <__phil__> rwhitby: lemme get metadoctor set up for cygwin
Sep 08 03:48:13 * rwhitby bbl (lunch)
Sep 08 03:48:29 * SineOt is now way curious about what timezone rwhitby is in o_o
Sep 08 03:48:36 <rwhitby> GMT+9:30
Sep 08 03:50:28 * oil thought rwhitby was one of those crazy :15 or :45 timezones
Sep 08 03:50:34 <oil> maybe that was freakout
Sep 08 03:50:41 <halfhalo> lol
Sep 08 03:50:50 <egaudet> rwhitby, with dev mode off can you still novaterm and mem boot with bootie recovery mode?
Sep 08 03:50:56 <SineOt> that's one hell of a late lunch then, lol ;p
Sep 08 03:51:14 <rwhitby> oil: no, but I usually point out the GMT+13:45 timezone for the Chatham Islands to people who think all timezones are on hour boundaries ;)
Sep 08 03:51:28 <oil> lol
Sep 08 03:51:29 <rwhitby> egaudet: yes, in recovery mode
Sep 08 03:51:39 * halfhalo is in a NORMAL time zone
Sep 08 03:51:40 <halfhalo> :[
Sep 08 03:51:54 <halfhalo> :p
Sep 08 03:58:03 <WillJitsu> is there anything special I need to do to use my Pre as a wifi only device? I replaced it with another phone, but I'd like to continue to use some of the apps on it.
Sep 08 04:01:40 <zsoc> WillJitsu: turn wifi on
Sep 08 04:02:05 <SineOt> lol
Sep 08 04:03:41 <WillJitsu> zsoc: cool, so it isn't necessary to disable anything concerning the cell radios or anything like that?
Sep 08 04:04:01 <zsoc> WillJitsu: i suppose you could some how
Sep 08 04:04:33 <SineOt> Airplane mode, then turn Wifi back on? I think that'd be the easiest
Sep 08 04:04:36 <SineOt> save battery too
Sep 08 04:05:02 <zsoc> sounds right
Sep 08 04:05:09 <WillJitsu> SineOt: yeah that was my concern. I didn't want the radio searching for signal constantly since it obviously won't ever connect.
Sep 08 04:05:15 <WillJitsu> sounds good guys. thanks so much!
Sep 08 04:24:59 <rick-home> hi guys.  Long time not here.
Sep 08 04:25:40 <egaudet> hey rick-home how's it going
Sep 08 04:25:48 <rick-home> it continues to go.
Sep 08 04:25:59 <rick-home> Life has eaten the last two months.
Sep 08 04:28:10 <rwhitby> hey rick-home
Sep 08 04:28:24 <rick-home> an as yet unannounced project code-named "Retirement money" has been taking up 120% of my time since early summer.
Sep 08 05:10:47 <__phil__> rwhitby: ok cygwin set up and metadoctor downloaded.  Is this command that I should run to back up my verizon palm pre plus to my computer:      make DEVICE=preplus all-verizonwireless memboot backup
Sep 08 05:10:56 <rwhitby> no
Sep 08 05:11:15 <rwhitby> make DEVICE=preplus CARRIER=verizonwireless memboot backup
Sep 08 05:11:19 <rwhitby> something like that
Sep 08 05:13:58 <__phil__> ok praying that this works...
Sep 08 05:14:09 <rwhitby> it's non-destructive
Sep 08 05:14:52 <__phil__> to make life more interesting, I'm moving to a spare pixi plus.  Unlike when I last replaced my Pre Plus, this time around the phone didn't automatically reload all apps
Sep 08 05:16:26 <rwhitby> __phil__: note that the backup will take some time (especially for the media partition)
Sep 08 05:19:14 <__phil__> rwhitby: I'm going to hit the sack.  hopefully it'll finish before I get up tomorrow.  then I should hopefully be able to go into novacom and run "palm-install http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.saverestore_1.0.8_arm.ipk".  am I able to just execute that from the command line in novacom?
Sep 08 05:19:39 <__phil__> er execute it once its installed?
Sep 08 05:20:00 <__phil__> do I do "saverestore --?" and look up the command to run the save function?
Sep 08 05:23:10 <tryp> OK I'm having a little trouble.  I got my Pre connected to my computer, and connected with novaterm, typed mpt 0d serial, and it came up looking for the new drivers, the problem is, the drivers aren't working, and now I can't connect to my pre with novaterm anymore, or through putty.  How would I fix this?
Sep 08 05:24:19 <__phil__> rwhitby oh i know what I did wrong on the pixi plus -- I just activated a previously activated phone.  I should have wiped it and reattached it to my profile.
Sep 08 05:24:47 <tryp> I've unplugged and plugged the USB, soft and hard reset the phone, but it still wants the R-ACM and Generic Serial drivers, which I can't get to work. I'm trying to get it back to picking up the Palm Novacom so I can try this from the beginning again.
Sep 08 05:27:34 <rwhitby> __phil__: so you're seeing the backup working, writing data to the tarballs?
Sep 08 05:28:13 <rwhitby> __phil__: you have to run the script for each of the applications supported by Save/Restore.  or write yourself a shell for loop which does it
Sep 08 05:34:47 <__phil__> rwhitby: it's been here for a while: novacom -w run file://sbin/tellbootie recover || true
Sep 08 05:37:05 <__phil__> I'm looking through C:\cygwin\home\phil\meta-doctor and not seeing tarballs
Sep 08 05:37:10 <__phil__> er new tarballs
Sep 08 05:37:48 <rwhitby> __phil__: ok, we need to go to plan B then
Sep 08 05:37:57 <rwhitby> __phil__: kill that command
Sep 08 05:38:05 <rwhitby> __phil__: do you know how to get into recovery mode?
Sep 08 05:38:19 <__phil__> hold down up button and power button, right?
Sep 08 05:38:24 <rwhitby> yep
Sep 08 05:38:46 <rwhitby> then run the same command but use "memload" instead of "memboot"
Sep 08 05:39:28 <__phil__> rwhitby ok big usb symbol on the screen
Sep 08 05:39:33 <rwhitby> good
Sep 08 05:39:45 <egaudet> down, up and power brings you to recovery mode?
Sep 08 05:39:49 <rwhitby> make DEVICE=preplus CARRIER=verizonwireless memload backup
Sep 08 05:40:09 <rwhitby> egaudet: hold down (depress) the up button
Sep 08 05:41:20 <__phil__> I actually had to let go of up, hold power, move the silent switch back and forth twice, then hold down up again
Sep 08 05:41:46 <__phil__> rwhitby, ok it's here in the script: gunzip -f build/preplus-p101eww-verizonwireless-1.4.1.1/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gz
Sep 08 05:42:22 <rwhitby> __phil__: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover has the canonical recovery mode procedure
Sep 08 05:42:25 <__phil__> rwhitby ok now here: novacom -w boot mem:// < build/preplus-p101eww-verizonwireless-1.4.1.1/webOS/nova-installer-image-castle.uImage
Sep 08 05:42:39 <rwhitby> yep, yep.
Sep 08 05:42:58 <rwhitby> that's booting your device from a recovery ram-based filesystem
Sep 08 05:43:26 <__phil__> um "As of WebOS 1.3.1 your USB data (Pictures, Videos, etc.) is no longer deleted during the process."  have I just lost my application settings?
Sep 08 05:43:27 <rwhitby> it will then mount your filesystems, and stream them out the USB cable into .tar.gz files on your host
Sep 08 05:43:34 <__phil__> oh ok
Sep 08 05:43:59 <__phil__> here now: Creating clones/ac5e5c4d/nova-cust-image-castle.varfs.tar.gz
Sep 08 05:44:02 <__phil__> brb
Sep 08 05:54:03 <__phil__> separate question: shouldn't a out of the box palm pixi plus have a touchstone cover?
Sep 08 06:02:23 <rwhitby> __phil__: apparently not
Sep 08 06:02:34 <rwhitby> __phil__: I got one from Germany which did not
Sep 08 06:10:06 <ka6sox-work> __phil__, mine did not
Sep 08 06:11:02 <__phil__> rwhitby: ok results: http://pastebin.com/qrqAy5yw
Sep 08 06:11:13 <__phil__> it didn't like my TrueCrypt drive
Sep 08 06:12:33 <rwhitby> __phil__: trucrypt drive on device or host ?
Sep 08 06:12:46 <__phil__> on the palm pre plus
Sep 08 06:12:51 <__phil__> under the usb drive
Sep 08 06:12:57 <__phil__> i thought "why not?"
Sep 08 06:13:11 <rwhitby> is it a big file or something?
Sep 08 06:13:20 <__phil__> rwhitby: it's 2GB I think
Sep 08 06:13:47 <rwhitby> __phil__: ok, now you can novaterm into the device as-is
Sep 08 06:14:06 <rwhitby> (using another shell window)
Sep 08 06:14:18 <__phil__> yay am in
Sep 08 06:14:32 <rwhitby> is the rootfs still mounted?
Sep 08 06:14:54 <rwhitby> if not, run "make mount" in the other shell
Sep 08 06:15:13 <rwhitby> it should still be mounted
Sep 08 06:15:19 <rwhitby> on /tmp/root
Sep 08 06:15:22 <rwhitby> so:
Sep 08 06:15:28 <rwhitby> mount -o remount,rw /tmp/root
Sep 08 06:15:40 <rwhitby> touch /tmp/root/var/gadget/novacom_enabled
Sep 08 06:15:47 <rwhitby> sync ; sync
Sep 08 06:15:49 <rwhitby> tellbootie
Sep 08 06:16:07 <rwhitby> then it should be in developer mode when it comes back up
Sep 08 06:16:21 <rwhitby> oh, scrub all that
Sep 08 06:16:38 <rwhitby> mount -o remount,rw /tmp/var
Sep 08 06:16:44 <rwhitby> touch /tmp/var/gadget/novacom_enabled
Sep 08 06:16:49 <rwhitby> sync ; sync
Sep 08 06:16:51 <rwhitby> tellbootie
Sep 08 06:16:59 <rwhitby> do those four lines instead
Sep 08 06:17:25 <__phil__> actually, my bad...I did have dev mode enabled, so am able to novacmd in
Sep 08 06:17:50 <__phil__> running palm-install.bat org.webosinternals.saverestore_1.0.8_arm.ipk from windows cmd line
Sep 08 06:17:55 <rwhitby> you sure that's not just because you are in recovery mode?
Sep 08 06:17:59 <__phil__> um, dunno
Sep 08 06:18:14 <rwhitby> if you haven't rebooted since the backup, you don't want to do taht
Sep 08 06:18:28 <__phil__> um
Sep 08 06:18:31 <__phil__> uh oh
Sep 08 06:18:39 <__phil__> do I ctrl-c this? installing package org.webosinternals.saverestore_1.0.8_arm.ipk on device "castle-linux" {ac5e5c4d13f5520edb0eef8dce6d3624299fcee8} usb 55274
Sep 08 06:18:58 <rwhitby> probably won't matter
Sep 08 06:19:09 <__phil__> it's just sittng there
Sep 08 06:19:14 <rwhitby> you finished the "make .... memload backup" and then did waht?
Sep 08 06:19:54 <__phil__> in windows cmd prompt, wgetted the saverestore file, then ran palm-install
Sep 08 06:19:56 <rwhitby> cause at the end of that command, you still have a recovery ram filesystem booted and mounted, not the usual operating system
Sep 08 06:20:01 <rwhitby> C-c that
Sep 08 06:20:09 <rwhitby> do the four commands above on /tmp/var
Sep 08 06:21:14 <__phil__> pre plus rebooting
Sep 08 06:22:07 <rwhitby> then you can novaterm and palm-install
Sep 08 06:25:55 <__phil__> I'll have to play with this later this week.  have to be awake in less than 6 hrs, long day tomorrow.  rwhitby, thank you for all of your help
Sep 08 06:26:56 <rwhitby> __phil__: no worries
Sep 08 08:42:02 <rwhitby> chrisA: ping
Sep 08 09:34:44 <chrisA> rwhitby: pong?
Sep 08 09:48:26 <chrisA> neh, just send me a pm. Going to sleep
Sep 08 11:42:42 <en0x> does anyone know about a good website that compares android vs webos?
Sep 08 12:20:16 <__phil__> rwhitby: ok, awake again. hope your day is going better than mine.
Sep 08 12:21:10 <__phil__> rwhitby: "novacom -t open tty://" responds "unable to find device".  that would make sense b/c the palm pre plus might not be fully booted up yet -- the screen is titled "signed out" b/c I switched to the pixi plus.  the pre plus's choices on the screen are "just restart" and "erase all data" -- how can I pick something with just the keyboard b/c my screen is cracked?
Sep 08 12:21:13 <en0x> wow
Sep 08 12:21:18 <en0x> welcome to hell in app catalog
Sep 08 12:21:19 <en0x> ;D
Sep 08 12:21:33 <en0x> but it says ""this is not a valid webOS application"
Sep 08 14:43:39 <fusion_hero_evo> sup everyone
Sep 08 14:44:21 <fusion_hero_evo> i'm trying to root my pre and when I do the novacom -t open tty://
Sep 08 14:44:24 <fusion_hero_evo> i get no device found
Sep 08 15:18:06 <prewaretrouble> hello?
Sep 08 15:19:19 <prewaretrouble> my preware app doesn't work for pre. It says the service is down and I need to restart preware or reboot my phone and both those don't work
Sep 08 15:21:51 <solix> prewaretrouble: pixi, plus, what carrier & webos version you using?
Sep 08 17:43:15 <jhojho> ummm
Sep 08 17:43:17 <jhojho> what do i do when an app catalog update is stuck in "installing..."?
Sep 08 17:54:02 <en0x> reboot ;p
Sep 08 17:54:34 <halfhalo> is it a pdk app thats stuck?
Sep 08 19:23:54 <jhojho> no
Sep 08 19:24:02 <jhojho> trying to get the bad kitty update
Sep 08 19:24:07 <halfhalo> oh
Sep 08 19:24:21 <halfhalo> For some reason pdk apps take FOREVER to install
Sep 08 19:26:37 <cryptk> jhojho: halfhalo would you two like to try out the latest version of the game I am porting?
Sep 08 19:26:45 <halfhalo> sure
Sep 08 19:26:48 <cryptk> this thing was in bad shape when I got it, but it is great now
Sep 08 19:26:53 <jhojho> cant right now
Sep 08 19:27:01 <jhojho> running out. later maybe
Sep 08 19:27:02 <en0x> me me me
Sep 08 19:27:03 <jhojho> sorry
Sep 08 19:27:03 <cryptk> halfhalo: I will let you know the URL to the ipk, please don't give it out
Sep 08 19:27:10 <cryptk> en0x: I will give it to you too
Sep 08 19:27:12 <halfhalo> I wont
Sep 08 19:27:13 <cryptk> jhojho: no big deal
Sep 08 19:27:18 <en0x> ;D thx cryptk
Sep 08 19:27:29 <halfhalo> I'm trying to restrain myself from shooting my redmine install right now...
Sep 08 19:28:10 <cryptk> let me know if you have any input
Sep 08 19:28:20 <cryptk> or if you have any additional songs to use
Sep 08 19:29:06 <cryptk> it is pre only atm, but I will be working on a pixi version
Sep 08 19:29:18 <cryptk> or making this one work on both
Sep 08 19:29:31 * halfhalo shoots redmine
Sep 08 19:30:52 <en0x> so did anyone hacked their ps3 yet?
Sep 08 19:31:01 <cryptk> definitely let me know if either of you find any bugs
Sep 08 19:31:59 <halfhalo> kk, I'll load it up in a few minutes
Sep 08 19:33:13 <en0x> oh it looks like fun fun fun;d
Sep 08 19:33:34 <cryptk> you like it en0x ?
Sep 08 19:33:49 <en0x> so far
Sep 08 19:33:55 <cryptk> just think, when I got it there was NO sound
Sep 08 19:34:06 <cryptk> and I have never done sound stuff before, or SDL at all really
Sep 08 19:34:10 <en0x> the sound is good for this type of stuff
Sep 08 19:34:26 <cryptk> so I had to learn how SDL works, fix the bugs, add all of the sound... lol
Sep 08 19:34:42 <cryptk> I am thinking of adding a sound for victory and defeat and then just leaving it like that
Sep 08 19:34:49 <cryptk> I don't want to have too many sound effects
Sep 08 19:35:22 <en0x> so far this one is fine ;)
Sep 08 19:35:35 <en0x> i didnt know that there was this type of game out there lol
Sep 08 19:35:36 <en0x> ;]
Sep 08 19:36:37 <cryptk> sweet
Sep 08 19:36:46 <cryptk> I am hoping that it will go up the app cat enough for me to get a laptop
Sep 08 19:37:05 <cryptk> I think the techno/electronica music is a good match for the game
Sep 08 19:37:11 <en0x> ;D with power of webos internals it will ;D
Sep 08 19:37:39 <en0x> i'll be like: if you don;t download cryptk game we will break ur preware ;D
Sep 08 19:37:45 <cryptk> lol
Sep 08 19:37:53 <cryptk> get cryptk a laptop... OR ELSE, lol
Sep 08 19:37:59 <en0x> right hahaha
Sep 08 19:38:08 <cryptk> we will change all your preware feeds to nothing but app spam
Sep 08 19:38:32 <en0x> right ;]
Sep 08 19:38:39 <en0x> and u will beg us to fix it
Sep 08 19:38:40 <en0x> ;d
Sep 08 19:38:59 <cryptk> haha, something tells me rwhitby would only go for that idea on April 1st, lol
Sep 08 19:39:15 <halfhalo> this error is retarted...
Sep 08 19:39:27 <halfhalo> redmine, why do you do this to me
Sep 08 19:54:09 * halfhalo has just stabbed redmine
Sep 08 20:03:12 <cryptk> en0x: there is a victory sound effect now
Sep 08 20:03:44 <cryptk> well, it plays whenever you win or loose really
Sep 08 20:03:52 <cryptk> as long as one player is human and the other is computer
Sep 08 20:08:50 * halfhalo has a git headache
Sep 08 20:35:02 <cryptk> hello Adora
Sep 08 20:35:08 <cryptk> how go's things in the land of Palmm
Sep 08 20:57:00 <halfhalo> stabbystabstab
Sep 08 21:07:02 <cryptk> halfhalo: you try that IPK yet?
Sep 08 21:07:03 <halfhalo> yeah, played a round
Sep 08 21:07:03 <halfhalo> tws fun, but I have to wait ill I got home to play more
Sep 08 21:07:04 <cryptk> you like it?
Sep 08 21:07:04 <cryptk> ok
Sep 08 21:07:04 <halfhalo> right now I'm fighting with redmine and gitosis
Sep 08 21:07:07 <halfhalo> stupid error is going to drive me up the wall...
Sep 08 21:15:07 <chrisA> ^ imposter
Sep 08 21:22:35 <hape_> what I still waiting for is a good Backgammon game for the Pre
Sep 08 21:22:51 <hape_> I'm frustrated that only the bad US one is there.
Sep 08 21:23:09 <hape_> I'm still using the gameboy emulator to play Backgammon some times ...
Sep 08 21:23:21 <hape_> But night now till tomorrow
Sep 08 21:28:25 <cryptk> hape_: I will see what I can do
Sep 08 21:32:41 <cryptk> chrisA: how are things in palm-land?
Sep 08 23:10:32 <krushia_> so is at&t like the only carrier not pushing 1.4.5 yet?
Sep 08 23:10:44 <krushia_> sure seems like it :(
Sep 08 23:19:40 <oil> verizon got it on the pre+?
Sep 08 23:19:47 <oil> (i thought they only got it for pixi)
Sep 08 23:36:48 <boboysdadda> evening all.  trying to install preware through WQI running linux mint 9 and it keeps telling me device not found unable to connect. can someone tell me how to fix this please?
Sep 08 23:42:16 <egaudet> We do not develop QI.  For Preware installation though make sure to follow http://install.preware.org
Sep 08 23:43:10 <egaudet> I recommend installling the SDK and using palm-install
Sep 08 23:43:31 <boboysdadda> have no clue what that is
Sep 08 23:43:57 <egaudet> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1788
Sep 08 23:43:57 <boboysdadda> just got a new pre. last one took a dump. and last time i went through all this i was on windows. so learning something new again
Sep 08 23:44:11 <egaudet> You have many options
Sep 08 23:44:59 <boboysdadda> egaudet: is the jaunty release safe with lucid?
Sep 08 23:45:46 <egaudet> You don't need to install VirtualBox if you don't want
Sep 08 23:46:03 <boboysdadda> i have it already
Sep 08 23:47:01 <egaudet> the sdk isn't in any repository so jaunty or lucid won't matter, I've installed it on lucid
Sep 08 23:47:25 <boboysdadda> yeah i wasn't reading fully in the begining. old habit of skimming still trying to break
Sep 08 23:49:05 <egaudet> The quickest way to get preware is probably command-line preware-boostrap method
Sep 08 23:49:05 <boboysdadda> but the sdk will allow me to install preware directly to my phone?
Sep 08 23:49:19 <egaudet> just need palm-novacomd package (from that SDK link)
Sep 08 23:49:35 <egaudet> boboysdadda, yes as long as it's in developer mode
Sep 08 23:49:49 <boboysdadda> i did that
Sep 08 23:50:29 <egaudet> once you have the sdk, it's as simple as downloading the preware ipk and running palm-install <ipk>
Sep 08 23:51:07 <boboysdadda> ah ok thanks. i'll play with it. mind if i highlight you later if i run into problems?
Sep 08 23:51:58 <egaudet> sure, although it's best to just ask the channel as there are many people who will be able to help all around at different times throughout the day/night
Sep 08 23:52:19 <boboysdadda> ok. ty for your time
Sep 09 00:02:20 <boboysdadda> ok govnah has me confused. how do i get my phone up to 1ghz?
Sep 09 00:02:32 <oil> with uberkernel
Sep 09 00:03:36 <boboysdadda> oil: its not allowing me to select upberkernel-default. do i need to reboot for it to work properly?
Sep 09 00:03:51 <oil> govnah only allows you to make changes
Sep 09 00:04:02 <oil> uberkernel is a seperate package
Sep 09 00:04:04 <oil> that replaces your kernel
Sep 09 00:04:11 <oil> with one that has more options for govnah to change
Sep 09 00:04:25 <boboysdadda> ok so i need to get uberkernel then
Sep 09 00:04:42 <oil> yes
Sep 09 00:05:52 <boboysdadda> ok ty. last time i o-clocked it was with one of the original methods that required me to use the command line util in WQI
Sep 09 00:06:17 <rwhitby> yeah, you don't want to use those.
Sep 09 00:07:04 <rwhitby> and if you ever did an OTA update with one of those installed, you'll likely still have detritus on your device as a result and should doctor it.
Sep 09 00:07:15 <rwhitby> (the person who packaged them did not do a very good job of it)
Sep 09 00:07:16 <boboysdadda> new phone today last one the silent switch went haywire. ext speaker was horrible and earpiece speaker worked less then never
Sep 09 00:08:15 <boboysdadda> now its just a matter of getting all the patches i want ed installed
Sep 09 00:09:08 <halfhalo> THAT was interesting
Sep 09 00:09:44 <boboysdadda> so can anyone recomend settings to set in govnah to get the best performance out of it?
Sep 09 00:10:09 <oil> people seem to like screenstate
Sep 09 00:10:28 <boboysdadda> go from the 165 to the 1ghz
Sep 09 00:10:29 <boboysdadda> ?
Sep 09 00:17:05 <boboysdadda> what is a safe limit for cpu hightemp reset in govnah?
Sep 09 00:17:17 <rwhitby> the default
Sep 09 00:17:34 <boboysdadda> it has the alarm at 55c and the reset at 50c
Sep 09 00:17:38 <rwhitby> correct
Sep 09 00:17:41 <boboysdadda> isn't that backwards?
Sep 09 00:17:46 <rwhitby> no
Sep 09 00:17:47 <boboysdadda> shouldn't alarm come before reset?
Sep 09 00:17:57 <rwhitby> no
Sep 09 00:18:26 <boboysdadda> maybe i misunderstand exactly what those mean then
Sep 09 00:18:55 <egaudet> yes the terms aren't completely intuitive
Sep 09 00:19:05 <rwhitby> reset is the temperature at which the clamping unlocks
Sep 09 00:19:57 <boboysdadda> don't know what clamping means. but i thought it meant a force reset of phone
Sep 09 00:21:32 <rwhitby> no
Sep 09 00:21:52 <rwhitby> at 55 it clamps the freq to 500MHz, at 50 it unclamps
Sep 09 00:22:18 <boboysdadda> ah ok
Sep 09 00:22:26 <boboysdadda> now it makes sense to me
Sep 09 00:23:07 <boboysdadda> is compressed cache useful?
Sep 09 00:32:58 <chrisA> rwhitby: did you get whatever it was resolved?
Sep 09 00:42:48 <rwhitby> chrisA: I swapped a radio board between two Pixi Plus devices
Sep 09 00:43:12 <rwhitby> the IMEI stayed, but all other tokens went with the radio board.  It was a bit counter-intuitive.
Sep 09 00:43:45 <rwhitby> I ended up swapping them back, since it would probably break the app catalog access on both unless I changed the IMEI
Sep 09 00:44:29 <rwhitby> (I don't think I can change the IMEI via the tokens configuration in Trenchoat)
Sep 09 00:55:25 <chrisA> Once you start toying with the radio boards I politely bow and back away with a look of horror
Sep 09 00:55:32 <chandler> I'd bet that the IMEI is stored in OTP bits on the processor
Sep 09 00:56:14 <rwhitby> yeah, I found http://www.palm.com/us/assets/pdfs/Pixi_Disassembly_%20Instructions.pdf which shows the other processor under the radio board
Sep 09 00:57:17 * rwhitby has an unlocked .eu GSM German Pixi Plus, activated in the US on AT&T, and an unlocked .us GSM Pixi Plus, activated in the US on AT&T.
Sep 09 00:57:33 <rwhitby> unfortunately, the German one is a QWERTZ keyboard
Sep 09 00:57:55 <rwhitby> I was hoping to swap the keyboards, and was looking to swapping radio boards and tokens as an easier shortcut
Sep 09 00:58:18 <rwhitby> but the tokens and user-accessible filesystem moved with the radio board, which freaked me out.
Sep 09 00:59:38 <ShadeS> an english speaking nation came up with computers so it's only fair all other nations conform to qwerty ;)
Sep 09 01:01:07 <ka6sox-work> ShadeS, but there is qwertz too.
Sep 09 01:01:36 <SineOt> that's real interesting that they have the take apart instructions just kind of hanging out in the open like that, rwhitby
Sep 09 01:01:46 <SineOt> you type on the two of them much at all?
Sep 09 01:01:54 <ShadeS> yes I know
Sep 09 01:01:56 <rwhitby> SineOt: that will be for environmental reasons
Sep 09 01:02:18 <rwhitby> some countries require manufacturers to publish material recovery guides for recycling purposes
Sep 09 01:03:46 <SineOt> interesting
Sep 09 01:03:56 <SineOt> but yeah, do you type much on them?
Sep 09 01:04:13 <SineOt> my two Pixis have both had the left keyboard LED die on them, and I'm curious how widespread of an issue it is
Sep 09 01:05:18 <rwhitby> My main device is a Pre Plus.
Sep 09 01:06:07 * ka6sox-work likes his pixi-plus
Sep 09 01:06:16 <ShadeS> I don't know h ow much I like my pre
Sep 09 01:06:20 <ShadeS> I think I liked my palm 700 better
Sep 09 01:06:23 <chrisA> I would like pixi more if I didn't know so much about it
Sep 09 01:06:36 <ShadeS> I liked how each message was time stamped, instead of the new ifonestyle sms/instant messaging
Sep 09 01:06:42 <chrisA> Any time it has any sort of error or hiccup my mind jumps to "augh, _____"
Sep 09 01:07:36 <SineOt> I know that c_c;
Sep 09 01:07:43 <SineOt> so you basically never type on either of them?
Sep 09 01:07:55 <ShadeS> what?
Sep 09 01:08:21 <ka6sox-work> chrisA, I'm an Audio Engineer/Producer so I have a hard time listening to Music without critiquing it.
Sep 09 01:08:57 <SineOt> ShadeS: you know, you can patch that so each message is time stamped
Sep 09 01:10:02 <ShadeS> it's a shame that functionality isn't out-of-the-bo
Sep 09 01:10:09 <ShadeS> like the p700 was
Sep 09 01:10:16 <ShadeS> SineOt: what do I do to patch this?
Sep 09 01:10:22 <ShadeS> ka6sox-work: how long have you been doing audio engineering
Sep 09 01:10:30 <ShadeS> because I'm considering going back to school for that
Sep 09 01:10:44 <ka6sox-work> ShadeS, about 25yrs
Sep 09 01:10:44 <ShadeS> although  I don't really need a piece of paper to tell me I know how to twist knobs and sliders on a mixer
Sep 09 01:10:48 <SineOt> in Preware, it's under Patches>Messaging>Time Stamps Clean
Sep 09 01:12:43 <ShadeS> in preware i don't see patches
Sep 09 01:12:56 <ShadeS> i see preferences update feeds manage feeds install package saved package list luna manager and help
Sep 09 01:13:12 <rwhitby> http://install.preware.org/
Sep 09 01:14:29 <ShadeS> I installed preware though...
Sep 09 01:14:31 <ShadeS> Did I do it wrong?
Sep 09 01:18:09 <SineOt> you're looking at the app menu, lol
Sep 09 01:26:08 <ShadeS> i don't see patches in the main window
Sep 09 01:32:23 <ShadeS> what did I do wrong?
Sep 09 01:32:24 <ShadeS> haha
Sep 09 01:34:04 <rwhitby> what things in the main window have you tapped so far to look for it?
Sep 09 01:35:03 <ShadeS> the top left
Sep 09 01:35:09 <ShadeS> and all packages
Sep 09 01:35:17 <ShadeS> and I typed in patches to see if I needed to get something to display that..
Sep 09 01:36:57 <ShadeS> it's updating now..
Sep 09 01:37:00 <ShadeS> new preware version
Sep 09 01:41:01 <ShadeS> yeah I definitly don't see patches anywhere..
Sep 09 01:41:28 <SineOt> it'd be under Available Packages from the screen I think you're on
Sep 09 01:41:36 <ShadeS> oh
Sep 09 01:41:37 <ShadeS> ok
Sep 09 01:42:41 <ShadeS> alright
Sep 09 01:42:49 <ShadeS> what do I need to do to start programing stuff for  my pre
Sep 09 01:43:29 <ShadeS> is there a typical hello world tutorial for this?
Sep 09 01:43:54 <chrisA> At this point you probably want #webos
Sep 09 01:44:59 <rwhitby> http://developer.palm.com/
Sep 09 01:49:45 <ShadeS> ok
Sep 09 01:50:07 <ShadeS> I signed up for that ages ago for cobalt or whatever
Sep 09 01:50:14 <ShadeS> I dont' know if I remember any of my info anymore
Sep 09 02:01:12 * DougReeder waves hello
Sep 09 02:17:00 <rwhitby> DougReeder: g'day
Sep 09 02:18:12 <ShadeS> hey
Sep 09 02:18:20 <ShadeS> I'm trying to bookmark a stream but I can't
Sep 09 02:18:22 <ShadeS> any ideas?
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