**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 02:59:57 2010 Sep 12 03:26:00 Is there a way I can reset my phone -without- it trying to reinstall all my apps afterwards? Sep 12 03:26:12 I want it to factory settings. Sep 12 03:27:03 don't give it network access Sep 12 03:27:31 Then what do I do about the palm account? Sep 12 03:29:13 sign in palm account, then go through catalog and pause/cancel all downloads Sep 12 03:29:19 or, Sep 12 03:29:21 new palm account Sep 12 03:29:42 There's an idea. Sep 12 03:29:55 but Sep 12 03:30:00 then you have to re-buy all apps Sep 12 03:30:08 or really, for the first time, on the new account Sep 12 03:30:25 ...Ack. Sep 12 03:32:56 its best to just go cancel them all Sep 12 03:33:01 (thats what i do) Sep 12 03:33:09 it tries to download them all at once, which it seems to have a problem with Sep 12 03:33:20 What about preware patches? Sep 12 03:33:33 preware doesnt auto-install anything Sep 12 03:33:58 i was talking about the catalog Sep 12 03:34:17 I got that, but will a full erase get rid of the patches, too? Sep 12 03:35:14 yes Sep 12 03:35:18 it does? Sep 12 03:37:15 unless they are in your profile ... Sep 12 03:38:09 how does it know how to reset bar-assistant.js? Sep 12 03:38:26 (as an example)( Sep 12 03:39:57 rwhitby: ^ Sep 12 03:40:50 oil: oh, sorry, full reset won't. doctor will. Sep 12 03:40:57 ok :) Sep 12 03:41:15 Oh. Suppose I need doctor, then. Sep 12 03:41:16 full reset would leave patches applied, but with no knowledge it is Sep 12 03:41:37 yeah, if you full erase, you want to doctor too Sep 12 03:41:47 so just doctor Sep 12 03:41:51 and keep your /media/internal :) Sep 12 03:42:29 What's that? Sep 12 03:42:39 your usb partition Sep 12 03:42:46 the doctor keeps its content intact Sep 12 03:42:54 Ah. Lovely. Sep 12 03:43:05 since, 135 or something Sep 12 03:43:08 Well, I've got 6 minutes until I have Doctor anyway, so..Yeah. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 04:52:32 2010 Sep 12 05:10:37 there is no way to force 1.4.5 on my ATT branded pre plus right? Sep 12 05:13:17 sure there is, using MetaDoctor Sep 12 05:13:38 you'll want to be desparate though, cause it will break AT&T stuff Sep 12 05:13:47 no carrier connection, just wifi Sep 12 05:14:38 rwhitby: hmm, how about putting a raw 1.4.5 on my sprint phone Sep 12 05:15:05 sprint 1.4.5 doctor is available Sep 12 05:15:24 ota sprint update Sep 12 05:15:26 that's what comes on the phone right (sprint apps and all)? Sep 12 05:15:35 yep Sep 12 05:16:03 I want to play with pdk, but I can't seem to get it working on either of my devices Sep 12 05:16:23 the att phone can't get 1.4.5 and the sprint phone (got from friend) can't activate Sep 12 05:16:42 I'm stuck at the sign into to profile page Sep 12 05:16:49 (on the sprint phone) Sep 12 05:17:44 metadoc will remove activation stuff Sep 12 05:17:57 what do you mean? Sep 12 05:18:11 oh, metadoc Sep 12 05:18:18 I tried that and it failed somewhere Sep 12 05:22:03 oil: these are the right instructions http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor ? Sep 12 05:22:27 the wiki always has the best info Sep 12 05:22:33 i think those are hte ones i followed Sep 12 05:22:48 i did it in a linux vm though Sep 12 05:22:52 not the windows directions Sep 12 05:23:55 and i dont know if that talks about the bypass activation option Sep 12 05:24:02 you can turn it on my uncommenting that line in the makefile Sep 12 05:28:05 oil: if I run the activation bypass tool, can I then later "activate" over wifi Sep 12 05:28:18 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 Sep 12 05:30:31 creationix: that palm tool does not allow for app catalog access in the future Sep 12 05:30:39 I know Sep 12 05:30:42 that's the problem Sep 12 05:30:51 correct. that's why meta-doctor is the solution Sep 12 05:33:13 so does metadoctor have to be run in a linux vm on osx? Sep 12 05:36:07 * oil thinks rwhitby does it in osx Sep 12 05:36:21 yep Sep 12 05:43:21 Ahh, I see my problem, I forgot to uncomment the custom stuff before building the "patched" doctir Sep 12 05:52:29 yep, still no love with metadoctor Sep 12 05:52:32 java.io.IOException: Installer.xml cannot be parsed! There may be a problem with the base ROM and or Customization package you have chosen.Content is not allowed in prolog. Sep 12 10:32:01 hi, should libGLES_CM be part of the WIDK? I'm trying to link a program against it, but I can't find the lib... **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 11:57:28 2010 Sep 12 13:50:31 I've been meanin to ask, what Does the 'w' in wIRC stand for? :) Sep 12 13:53:28 i would assume "webos" but i really have no idea Sep 12 13:53:55 ahh yeah.. prolly. :) Sep 12 13:54:42 * solix waits for Vzn to roll out 1.4.5... ugh. :/ Sep 12 13:56:03 so is there no themes for the pixi? my lil cousin just got an at&t pixi plus and i slapped preware on it, the only themes are for the keyboard Sep 12 13:56:38 * solix has pre+ Sep 12 13:57:05 you upgrade to latest preware & feeds? Sep 12 13:57:14 yup Sep 12 13:57:27 hmm. I dunno then :/ Sep 12 13:57:39 yeah i found it very odd Sep 12 13:58:33 sumtimes I miss feeds, just restart it later, but that's only right @fter new install.. have to turn on prethemer-feed Sep 12 14:01:40 hmm maybe ill have to check his phone when i see him Sep 12 14:04:28 yeah Sep 12 14:06:46 is 1.4.5 opening up pdk apps on thepixi as well? Sep 12 14:08:46 dunno, I Think I heard 'no' earlier.. but ? Sep 12 14:09:09 * punzada shrugs Sep 12 14:09:24 kid was jealous when he saw some pdk goodness Sep 12 14:09:46 lol yeah :) tis pretty awesome Sep 12 14:14:47 finally got my invisiSHEILD put it on my pre+, thing is totally transparent, fels better too, pita to get on the round corners, but got it finally.. :) 6$ shipped from online, versus 24 @ best buy.. lol Sep 12 14:25:02 solix, I was looking at one of those, but all I could find were ones for the pre and none for the pre+ Sep 12 14:26:01 I know there's not much of a difference but I'd rather not have a hole cut out for the nonexistent button on the front, it'd bother me. Sep 12 14:26:05 I got just the pre, exactly same except the lil hole for the ball/track, you don't need to use... works Great. Sep 12 14:26:20 leave the hole punch in, can't even tell.. Sep 12 14:26:59 I wasn't sure if the hole was "just missing" or not Sep 12 14:29:13 hmm... looks like I'll be getting one soon then :) Sep 12 14:29:19 solix, thanks for the info Sep 12 14:37:34 yeah... sorry got called, I might have the link, but it was precentral ad I originally found it from I think, I'd order two... just cuz their cheap :) but yes, great fit, maybe make the microphone hole bigger bhuey 4 aplying allowing a better room/fit, but as is is good to.. np. :) Sep 12 14:39:01 bbl Sep 12 15:57:01 PuffTheMagic, hi Sep 12 15:57:25 hey Sep 12 15:57:28 hows it going Sep 12 15:57:53 PuffTheMagic, I'll ssh Sep 12 15:58:07 because I'm seeking help and I must show some stuff Sep 12 15:58:14 s/seeking/looking for Sep 12 15:59:25 ok Sep 12 15:59:28 i just reconnected the device Sep 12 16:00:10 ok Sep 12 16:00:11 thanks Sep 12 16:00:13 I'm in Sep 12 16:03:06 PuffTheMagic, else someone could sue them for the wifi sources Sep 12 16:03:27 morphis gave me one week before doing that Sep 12 16:05:01 PuffTheMagic, else someone could sue them for the wifi sources ??? Sep 12 16:05:17 me and other have contacted opensource@palm.com Sep 12 16:05:21 PuffTheMagic, it seem that they used gpl symbols Sep 12 16:05:24 and in contact with their laywers Sep 12 16:05:27 ok Sep 12 16:05:40 if u can give me a list of the GPL symbols that they use Sep 12 16:05:45 i will send them another e-mail Sep 12 16:05:51 you have to ask morphis for that Sep 12 16:06:04 that's what morphis told me Sep 12 16:06:53 PuffTheMagic, basically I think they derived from the marvell sources that are in the kenrel we have Sep 12 16:07:44 basically it seem that marvell licensed them for proprietary use the wifi driver Sep 12 16:07:54 right Sep 12 16:08:04 that would be ok as long as that driver doesn't use gpl symbols Sep 12 16:10:14 PuffTheMagic, they use gpl symbols according to morphis previous conversations: Sep 12 16:10:25 "I just pointed out that they can not do this, as the kernel _requires_ modules like this to be released under the GPL, as they are using symbols that are EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL() marked in the kernel. There is no way to write such a module without it being released under the GPL, which is why some developer realized this and changed the MODULE_LICENSE() string on the thing." Sep 12 16:11:23 they changed the MODULE_LICENSE? Sep 12 16:11:29 i thought sd8xxx still says GPL Sep 12 16:11:29 I'll look Sep 12 16:11:46 modinfo say unknown for license Sep 12 16:11:50 if I remember well Sep 12 16:12:03 ahh Sep 12 16:12:05 it used to say GPL Sep 12 16:12:15 I'll look Sep 12 16:17:35 Football is back baby! :D Sep 12 16:30:25 egaudet, pong Sep 12 16:30:54 I forget Sep 12 16:36:35 PuffTheMagic, I bet we have to find some GPL symbols Sep 12 16:36:39 else no way Sep 12 16:47:05 hm, need some help regarding git and webosinternals/modifications Sep 12 20:08:29 GNUtoo|laptop, so u throwing in the towel? Sep 12 20:08:47 PuffTheMagic, no Sep 12 20:08:55 PuffTheMagic, I'll try for the IRQ Sep 12 20:09:01 just after commiting an mplayer fix Sep 12 20:09:06 it seem easy to do Sep 12 20:09:11 if you know where to look Sep 12 20:09:11 you have been saying that, what does it involve? Sep 12 20:09:17 but I don't know where to look Sep 12 20:09:27 knowing wherer to look Sep 12 20:09:48 the libertas_sdio takes a generic irq Sep 12 20:10:07 I've just to give a gpio_to_irq instead of sdio_irq Sep 12 20:10:09 that's all Sep 12 20:10:18 then I don't know what problem I'll face Sep 12 20:10:19 hmm Sep 12 20:10:21 but I can try that Sep 12 20:10:39 even if we request palm's source Sep 12 20:10:45 we could have to do that anyway Sep 12 20:21:07 so i'm about fed up with AT&T sticking to 1.4.2 for the pre. is there any way to get around it? like a generic gsm pre plus 1.4.5+ webos doctor? Sep 12 21:13:33 Hey!!!! Sep 12 21:13:46 all you Govna and uberkernel users!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sep 12 21:13:53 remove your kernels Sep 12 21:13:56 go back to sock Sep 12 21:14:02 and remember how slow webos really is Sep 12 21:14:07 lol Sep 12 21:14:42 if u keep living in this lala land then HPalm can keep giving us laggy sw Sep 12 21:14:54 I notice that every time I reboot Sep 12 21:15:17 Uberkernel is like earplugs if u could hear how slow luna is Sep 12 21:17:27 lol Sep 12 21:18:28 oil, im serious, sometimes luna makes me wanna throw the phone at the wall Sep 12 21:18:32 like when u try to swip something Sep 12 21:18:34 and it comes back Sep 12 21:18:38 and u try and tap on shit Sep 12 21:18:41 and it dont regiester Sep 12 21:18:46 and then tap again and its the wrong thing Sep 12 21:18:50 errrrr Sep 12 21:19:36 and if 2.0 is just more eye candy with the same lag issues im gonna have to rethink what i on my next phone Sep 12 21:23:08 PuffTheMagic, sorry the mplayer comit took longer than expected....now I must go to sleep....sorry Sep 12 21:24:48 GNUtoo|laptop, no biggie Sep 12 21:24:50 catch ya tomorrow Sep 12 21:26:34 ok Sep 12 21:33:32 hi, this may of been asked, but wen i install preware, will it void the warrenty on my contract? Sep 12 21:34:36 no it will not Sep 12 21:34:52 are you sure? nd thank you Sep 12 21:34:56 its like a app installler Sep 12 21:42:03 PuffTheMagic: i dont run uk/govnah on my main pre Sep 12 21:42:05 works fine Sep 12 21:42:39 most of the time it "works fine" Sep 12 21:42:46 but it does get very laggy sometimes Sep 12 21:43:00 * oil hasn't seen the tossed-card-not-tossing-bug in a while Sep 12 21:43:29 usually, i find that is because of a specific app not working correctly Sep 12 21:44:38 seems to happen while closing apps Sep 12 21:45:10 cleaning up an app shouldnt decrease interactivity Sep 12 21:46:05 user interface priority doesn't seem to be very well ironed out by palm just yet Sep 12 21:46:33 bpadalino, exactly, yet the keep adding mroe shit Sep 12 21:46:52 because 99% of users want more shit Sep 12 21:47:02 an update which brings nothing new is no update in their minds Sep 12 21:47:10 even if they cant use the new shit? Sep 12 21:47:17 android is pretty weak with the user interactivity responsiveness as well .. ios seems pretty good with user interactivity Sep 12 21:48:57 cause apple really cares about experience Sep 12 21:49:32 oil: 100% true and more compenies should do that Sep 12 21:49:59 The user sees only the function and usability Sep 12 21:50:21 interactivity is usability Sep 12 21:50:27 users will see that Sep 12 21:50:55 that is what i mean PuffTheMagic , i HOPE WEBOS WILL GET BETTER IN THIS Sep 12 21:51:08 Sorry missed scroll lock Sep 12 21:51:26 lol Sep 12 21:51:38 sometimes you gotta yell at puffy :) Sep 12 21:51:48 hah Sep 12 21:52:25 webos has the power to get in the near of iOS if they do it right Sep 12 21:53:07 But the dau user neesd to like it, not only the nerds Sep 12 22:04:27 screw users Sep 12 22:04:33 nerds ftw Sep 12 22:04:56 bgp: ? Sep 12 22:05:08 I am kiddng :P Sep 12 22:08:44 dau=Dümmster anzunehmender User, simpley user, silly user, ... Sep 12 22:44:07 what are the chances of me bricking my pre with preware? Sep 12 22:44:23 0% Sep 12 22:44:30 afaik, preware itself will not brick your pre Sep 12 22:45:13 how long does it take to install? i heard it takes about a hour but idk if thats true Sep 12 22:45:23 the chances of bricking your Pre no matter what yo do is slim to none Sep 12 22:45:52 (software wise) Sep 12 22:46:14 installing preware takes as long as it takes to install the SDK Sep 12 22:46:16 egaudet: s'pose you could brick your pre by OC'ing Sep 12 22:46:25 http://install.preware.org Sep 12 22:46:27 but, yeh Sep 12 22:46:52 yeah, install sr71 on a crappy pre Sep 12 22:46:58 will cause you some problems :) Sep 12 22:47:01 OC'ing you certainly decrease the lifetime Sep 12 22:47:11 but still haven't heard of any true bricks Sep 12 22:47:12 but any package with the possibility of melting your pre states so in the description im sure Sep 12 22:47:36 oil: we can only hope :) Sep 12 22:47:50 not that anyone reads the descriptions anyways xD Sep 12 22:48:08 "This package is made to melt your pre. No seriously." Sep 12 22:48:16 premelt? Sep 12 22:48:20 lol Sep 12 22:48:28 ok 1 more question. is it worth installing just for stuff like quake and the NES emu? (i know the emu is in the app cat) Sep 12 22:48:47 it's worth installing for a lot of reasons Sep 12 22:48:47 its worth installing for everything Sep 12 22:48:52 patches ftw Sep 12 22:49:10 lol Sep 12 22:49:11 99% of the time you think "i wish this did this instead" there is a patch which does that Sep 12 22:49:20 dude: I don't have a device, but from what I've read, people usually install preware because they want one thing, then decide they love everything else available Sep 12 22:52:29 kk just checked out the link one of you sent me and it said i need webOS doc. do i need that for installing or can i get it later? Sep 12 22:54:33 it's needed for QI Sep 12 22:54:42 you can install the SDK and just use palm-install Sep 12 22:54:49 which is the easiest method IMO Sep 12 22:55:09 kk cool thanks for the help Sep 12 23:08:57 * halfhalo got CI working Sep 12 23:09:11 clorine works good normally Sep 12 23:09:29 * halfhalo mean Continuous integration Sep 12 23:09:33 meant* Sep 12 23:09:36 ah Sep 12 23:09:40 i've got a great book on it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 13 02:59:57 2010