**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 14 02:59:57 2010 Sep 14 03:14:46 Anyone able to get Preware working on 2.0? Sep 14 03:15:13 2.0? Sep 14 03:15:23 nda Sep 14 03:15:26 2.0 beta Sep 14 03:15:33 oh Sep 14 03:15:34 FlyingE: webOS 2.0 is under NDA at the moment Sep 14 03:16:03 I know, but Preware is not. Sep 14 03:16:15 discussion of it is limited to the venues detailed in the NDA that you agreed to. Sep 14 03:16:46 and an answer to your question is likely to be found in that venue Sep 14 03:17:10 OK Thanks Sep 14 03:17:29 lol Sep 14 03:17:47 heh Sep 14 03:17:57 * halfhalo blames oil for that Sep 14 05:07:58 hi Sep 14 05:08:44 i'm having difficulty building the WIDK due to an error with a version mismatch on libtool - has anyone run into this? Sep 14 05:09:46 http://webos.pastebin.com/skqNPgiN Sep 14 05:14:44 ok apparently autoreconf --force in the directory of the failed build seems to work Sep 14 05:17:01 FYI: WebOS 1.4.5 is released on the Pre+ for both VZW and AT&T. Sep 14 05:20:53 yeah ryan[WIN] i saw the same thing, big PITA Sep 14 05:21:00 static linking would be too convenient :\ Sep 14 05:21:27 well it seemed to error out on one lib only so far Sep 14 05:21:37 and autoreconf --force in the autogenerated directory SEEEEEEMS to work but we'll see :D Sep 14 05:21:40 just wait, your battle will be far from won :-D Sep 14 05:22:40 i can't wait for this all to finish and i compile something and it shits on me Sep 14 05:22:46 you'll probably have a libc explosion from qemu arm in a python package a ways ahead Sep 14 05:22:56 yeah, i'd like to be at that stage as well Sep 14 05:23:05 actually making my shitty code explode instead of trying to get the dev environment to live Sep 14 05:23:43 is the widk not building for everyone the same way right now? Sep 14 05:24:01 it's failed like a big house on fire half a dozen times for me Sep 14 05:24:05 i slowly trudge along Sep 14 05:24:24 cuz i've done a million wacky homebrew devkits for various arm devices Sep 14 05:24:30 it's because the git repo references a bunch of arbitrary external packages on the net with dependency hell :\ Sep 14 05:24:33 there's no reason this one should be failin' Sep 14 05:24:38 same Sep 14 05:26:04 ryan[WIN], AgentSmith: just don't run 'make stage', and use the WIDK for a)sb2+toolchain installation and b)staging those things you DO care about Sep 14 05:26:25 so you mainly just need 'packages/common/*' to get started, and that's fairly stable Sep 14 05:26:34 pwn, thx dtzWill Sep 14 05:26:44 the rest is mixed, but no reason to fight through it unless you care to have those packages. Sep 14 05:26:59 ryan[WIN]: yeah, we asked Palm for their OpenEmbedded patches and configuration, but didn't get any joy. Sep 14 05:27:18 rwhitby, true Sep 14 05:27:19 that's a frown Sep 14 05:27:34 ryan[WIN]: so a sb2 based WIDK was the result Sep 14 05:27:42 haha ew :< Sep 14 05:27:55 we probably should clean it up if we don't have someone actively maintaining it anymore Sep 14 05:27:57 what's even nicer is i'm making the sdk on my first gen eee pc Sep 14 05:28:06 ouch ryan[WIN] Sep 14 05:28:07 all symlink'd to an external usb hd Sep 14 05:28:09 too many things broken or otherwise just don't belong there/are worthless in a 'DK' Sep 14 05:28:17 because the primary drive is only 4GB lul Sep 14 05:28:19 * AgentSmith has been building in a vmware image Sep 14 05:28:22 ryan[WIN]: ..ouch Sep 14 05:28:23 ryan[WIN], if you use gentoo you get widk for free ;) Sep 14 05:28:44 * halfhalo refuses to use any computer with a single core atom or celeron processor Sep 14 05:28:49 everything's free on gentoo if your time is worthless :P Sep 14 05:28:53 * dtzWill loves his eee Sep 14 05:29:01 although mine's an eee 901, and it still sucked building the bugger Sep 14 05:29:08 i have a 7xx series Sep 14 05:29:13 s/bugger/widk/ Sep 14 05:29:13 dtzWill meant: although mine's an eee 901, and it still sucked building the widk Sep 14 05:29:15 widk is in portage? Sep 14 05:29:25 first gen eee pc wooo wooo Sep 14 05:29:34 i do overclock it mightily Sep 14 05:29:35 I have a netbooky type notebook, but with a core 2 solo and 3GB ram plus 250GB HD Sep 14 05:29:43 That thing wakes from sleep instantly Sep 14 05:29:58 my netbook shipped with 512MB ram, 4GB HD, 600MHz Celeron Sep 14 05:30:13 i have 2GB ram in it and have overclocked FSB so i'm at 900MHz but man it's a dog still Sep 14 05:31:02 dtzWill, so far i just autoreconf'd that one error and everything else is still going - i wonder if i'll run into anything else Sep 14 05:31:07 Mine shipped with a 1.4GHz core2solo, 3GB ddr2 ram, and a 250GB drive for 500 ish Sep 14 05:31:30 Nowadays theres dual core versions for cheaper Sep 14 05:32:47 shoot i gotta split, good luck ryan[WIN] Sep 14 05:32:50 well this widk build process is just an autotools nightmare isn't it Sep 14 05:33:42 anyone familiar with govnah Sep 14 05:33:50 how do i get the settings to stick Sep 14 05:33:52 ryan[WIN]: yep. I'd be very pleased for someone experienced in cross compilation environments to step in and replace it with something proper. Sep 14 05:34:10 ryan[WIN]: it really is :/ Sep 14 05:34:34 but pretty much any project i've seen turns into an autotools nightmare until they just redo the whole thing Sep 14 05:34:37 in waf or cmake or something Sep 14 05:38:49 rwhitby, as long as it works with maybe a few wild exceptions Sep 14 05:38:57 then meh leave it Sep 14 06:02:04 Anyone know if there's been any work done on a gui for OpenVPN? Sep 14 07:32:51 oh great Sep 14 07:32:54 like 2 hours later Sep 14 07:33:07 the widk errors out :< Sep 14 07:40:51 I need someone to send me the output of PmLog.conf from a 1.4.5 ATT Pre Plus Sep 14 13:55:23 Ok so my question is prolly on a forum somewhere but I'm on my pre and can't search right now, govnah won't change my profiles when I select them. Am I "doing it wrong"? Sep 14 14:21:34 So anyone know why my profiles can't be changed with the newest govnah and UK; Sep 14 14:39:10 Anivrom|pre, what version of each? Sep 14 14:39:33 sup all Sep 14 14:39:46 ka6sox4: the newest. Just downloaded both today Sep 14 14:40:27 Anivrom|pre, can you look @ the version #'s just so I can be sure of what you have? Sep 14 14:42:02 someone tell me the easiest way to install preware ? Sep 14 14:42:10 0.6.7 govnah and UK 1.4.5-92 Sep 14 14:42:57 Anivrom|pre, what did you do and what doesnt' it do? Sep 14 14:43:10 mobgod, install.preware.org Sep 14 14:43:29 Selecting a profile other than palm default: doesn't change anything Sep 14 14:44:12 ka6sox-work thanks Sep 14 14:44:19 need it for a friend Sep 14 14:44:58 Anivrom|pre, okay when the govnah devs wake up/ stop doing RL work and look they will see what you said... Sep 14 14:46:30 mobgod, good...more the merrier Sep 14 16:01:59 just upgraded the os to 1.4.5. trying to update patches to run on the new os. been using preware exclusively. the ipkg errors have gotten out of hand. what are other people doing about this issue? would it help for me to abandon preware and just use webos quick install? Sep 14 16:04:22 vb994p: that will never help Sep 14 16:04:29 I've had a few of those too..went from a 1.4.5 doctor that it wanted me to upgrade to 1.4.5 for some reason(on verizon) Sep 14 16:05:06 I'll keep tinkering with it.. Sep 14 16:06:15 http://bit.ly/9oL9qf Sep 14 16:06:49 any other patches that may be causing problems not listed there you should try to remove patches in the same category first Sep 14 16:07:16 still the easiest thing to do is update the saved package list, EPR and then install all from saved package list Sep 14 16:09:31 alright, got it, thanks. respectfully suggest this be publicised on the precentral home page when a new os update is looming, until improvements to AUPT are complete. that would've saved me some time. Sep 14 16:10:04 Otherwise, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!! Sep 14 16:10:16 webos-internals and precentral are not the same organization Sep 14 16:10:47 this was publicised on the webosinternals twitter account with respective links Sep 14 16:12:08 oopsie Sep 14 16:12:17 is there an announce list? Sep 14 16:12:23 understood, but i think precentral is very supportive of preware and would give you some page-time. Sep 14 16:12:33 * Loudergood doesn't check his twitter as often as he should Sep 14 16:13:15 precentral attracts a wider range of readers, i think, than webosinternals. u want preware to be usable by the mainstream crowd, right? Sep 14 16:15:58 seems my only problem was uberkernel related. no biggy. seem to have fixed it now Sep 14 16:57:49 vb994p feel free to send them a tip Sep 14 16:58:46 and AUPT has "nothing" to do with Preware, the same issues would arrise with any package installer as it's a flaw in the install scripts, not the installers Sep 14 17:42:05 is govnah centigrade only? Sep 14 18:49:48 urgh when was the last time the build from scratch process was verified good with the widk Sep 14 18:52:07 ryan[LOL]: we tried to warn you to only build what you needed :( Sep 14 18:52:41 yes Sep 14 18:52:42 anything that you do not specifically need, move it into nonworking Sep 14 18:52:54 some of the things in there are in constant flux Sep 14 18:52:55 but i'm just going off the wiki page :) Sep 14 18:53:03 wiki shmiky Sep 14 18:53:07 yes, but we provided extra instructions, lol Sep 14 18:53:16 i'm a kind of guy who RTFM's :D Sep 14 18:53:19 AFAIK no one's touched it's in a maintenance kinda wayh for months Sep 14 18:53:30 when has the wiki ever been correct? :p Sep 14 18:53:31 it's become the dev git repo for the navit project lol Sep 14 18:53:34 and THEN i go bother the irc channel Sep 14 18:53:41 ryan[LOL]: good attitude for sure, but :( Sep 14 18:54:07 i think last time it was verified was early july, lol Sep 14 18:54:08 I know that I sometimes have issues with things in the apps folder Sep 14 18:54:23 and that was on *my* system which isn't what we officially support anyway Sep 14 19:42:09 any preware guys around Sep 14 19:42:35 theres always someone lurking about Sep 14 19:43:11 cool i did a install but phone cant get a data connection now and dont see preware Sep 14 19:43:53 how did you install it... and preware does not affect anything even remotely related to data connections Sep 14 19:44:07 mobgod, you probably need to run novacomd Sep 14 19:44:50 ok Sep 14 19:44:51 got it Sep 14 19:44:53 thanks Sep 14 19:44:58 needed to be rebooted Sep 14 19:45:44 brb Sep 14 19:48:45 lol what a guy Sep 14 19:48:51 he always have issues with preware Sep 14 19:50:56 "the cat ate my preware!" Sep 14 20:01:15 Testing. 1....2 Sep 14 20:23:56 is there a volume hack to make speaker louder ?? Sep 14 20:25:33 ? Sep 14 20:25:44 speakerphone mode? Sep 14 20:26:45 what ? Sep 14 20:27:04 haha.. if only I could do that on my x10 Sep 14 20:27:16 I want to make the speaker louder on the pre Sep 14 20:28:00 MobGod_: the earpiece or the backspeaker? Sep 14 20:28:10 both Sep 14 20:28:14 they'd distort Sep 14 20:28:28 the backspeaker is already on the limit of clear sound vs volume Sep 14 20:28:44 I certainly wouldn't call it quiet Sep 14 20:28:59 IMHO it's one of the loudest speakers I've owned in a phone Sep 14 20:30:10 so noway to make louder Sep 14 20:30:22 ways, possible, sense in doing it, probably not Sep 14 20:30:50 cause really why would you want your speaker to be epically loud but unrecognizeable distortion sound Sep 14 20:32:10 Marajin patch ? Sep 14 20:33:14 or u suggest leave it alone Sep 14 20:33:21 leave it alone Sep 14 20:33:35 it's a simple hardware limit.. I don't get why you need it to be louder so.. yeah leave it alone Sep 14 20:34:07 bc my speaker is not loud Sep 14 20:34:23 hmm Sep 14 20:34:31 well either you or I have weird Pres then Sep 14 20:34:41 cause mine is /definitely/ loud Sep 14 20:34:45 and I have it all the way up Sep 14 20:35:01 I've been known to use it to listen to music in a different room Sep 14 20:36:18 and I've never struggled to hear the earpiece when holding the phone to my ear Sep 14 20:36:33 ok Sep 14 20:37:08 I guess you'd have to poll if other pre users think the volume's low Sep 14 20:37:27 about the only embedded device I have with louder sound though is my ipad and that's marginal Sep 14 20:38:11 kk Sep 14 20:38:21 got u thAnks Sep 14 20:40:54 hi, my palm halted two nights ago without apparent reason. The messages show this: http://pastebin.com/HNDggRkp could this be a problem in the screenstate daemon? Sep 14 20:41:30 my old razr had an ear shattering speaker lool Sep 14 20:43:37 haha :p Sep 14 20:44:40 ah and the problem is that it does not even reboot but simply shuts down. all alarms gone and everything... Sep 14 20:46:01 and I'm running uberkernel 1.4.5-92 and the newest govnah. screenstate, scaling from 125Mhz to 720Mhz. Sep 14 20:48:09 aha and I read the uberkernel thread so this is nothing new. Sep 14 20:52:36 i am DYING to know how screenstate is a problem here? Sep 14 20:52:58 its ALWAYS oils fault! Sep 14 20:53:35 * uNiXpSyChO is getting sick and tired of people running 125MHz and complaining their phone crashes or hangs. Sep 14 20:53:46 lol Sep 14 20:53:56 * halfhalo gets ready to runn at 125MHz and complain Sep 14 20:53:57 mine's developed the annoying power issue Sep 14 20:54:01 IIRc it's hardware issue Sep 14 21:14:20 ok if i'm not going to do "make stage" how do i like Sep 14 21:14:33 set up the libs i need to be able to compile an SDL app that uses SDL_image and SDL_mixer Sep 14 21:15:30 why aren't you going to make stage? Sep 14 21:15:45 just move the folders for the packages you don't need into nonworking Sep 14 21:17:42 do i need python and x to do dev-sdl Sep 14 21:18:42 no Sep 14 21:18:50 X is only if you are doing X11 stuff Sep 14 21:20:43 ryan[WIN]: here are the folders I have in mine Sep 14 21:20:44 common dev-gl dev-lang dev-sdl host media nonworking python Sep 14 21:20:52 everything else has been moved into the nonworking folder Sep 14 21:21:05 then I did make staging-armv7 Sep 14 21:21:12 (to only make the pre variants of things) Sep 14 21:21:28 not discriminating against the pixi, I just don't have one to test with (yet) Sep 14 21:21:50 ok Sep 14 21:22:10 but if fails on libdotconf in the common folder :> Sep 14 21:22:53 * halfhalo is playing with redmine and git subprojects Sep 14 21:23:37 but i'm trying make staging-arvm7 Sep 14 21:23:39 er armv7 Sep 14 21:26:23 so far it seems to be moving along Sep 14 21:29:36 cryptk|work, so far this is working Sep 14 21:31:31 cool Sep 14 21:31:53 now using staging-armv7 will only compile the things to make apps for the pre Sep 14 21:32:03 you can use staging-armv6 to make the pixi parts Sep 14 21:32:08 and make stage makes them both Sep 14 21:32:39 i see Sep 14 21:32:46 maybe something is wrong with the pixi parts Sep 14 21:32:48 :D Sep 14 21:32:53 no Sep 14 21:32:57 the code is all the same Sep 14 21:33:02 just different cross compiler settings Sep 14 21:33:09 that's what i am thinking Sep 14 21:33:21 if armv7 works, armv6 will roo Sep 14 21:33:22 the cross compiler settings are done with the wrong autotools settings Sep 14 21:33:22 too Sep 14 21:33:28 no they aren't Sep 14 21:33:34 for the armv6 well SOMEWHERE they are wrong Sep 14 21:33:35 if armv6 hit a problem, armv7 will also Sep 14 21:33:43 because i'm getting libtool config issues when i make stage Sep 14 21:33:48 make stage does armv6 first I believe Sep 14 21:33:57 so you will likely hit the same problem with staging-armv7 Sep 14 21:34:16 so far i have not hit it yet but i did move a bunch of crap to nonworking Sep 14 21:35:02 so it's possible that fixed the issue Sep 14 21:35:09 because so far i have yet to run into the issue i was having Sep 14 21:35:26 oop speak of the devil Sep 14 21:35:27 FAIL Sep 14 21:35:40 /bin/sh: line 6: 9885 Segmentation fault ./glib-genmarshal --nostdinc --prefix=g_cclosure_marshal ./gmarshal.list --header >> xgen-gmh Sep 14 21:35:40 make[3]: *** [stamp-gmarshal.h] Error 139 Sep 14 21:35:53 dundunDUN Sep 14 21:38:11 hrm... I ave never had a segfault with it... Sep 14 21:38:47 i'm fully up to date on ubuntu 9.10 32bit Sep 14 21:39:14 ls -l /bin/sh Sep 14 21:39:16 what is that? Sep 14 21:39:18 bash or dash Sep 14 21:39:24 bash Sep 14 21:39:35 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-02-26 16:30 /bin/sh -> bash Sep 14 21:39:39 if i had to guess, if you ran it again Sep 14 21:39:44 it won't segfault Sep 14 21:39:45 i followed all the wiki instructions Sep 14 21:40:00 SineOt, i'm trying again Sep 14 21:40:02 yep, try it again Sep 14 21:40:16 it should zip past everything that already made successfully Sep 14 21:40:32 yep i'm gonna go do some laundry real quick Sep 14 21:40:39 hopefully it'll still be going when i come back Sep 14 21:45:12 configure: error: Could not determine values for POLL* constants Sep 14 21:45:18 haha this is all jacked Sep 14 21:46:37 ok there's a forum dealy for this one though Sep 14 21:48:24 is there a reason that I can ssh into the emulator using ssh command-line, but not via tools like macfusion or transmit? Sep 14 21:48:43 I even copied my ssh public key onto the emulator image and can ssh in without a password just fine Sep 14 21:51:35 what is causing this to fail and then work when i simply retry make Sep 14 21:51:49 what is this i don't even Sep 14 22:02:08 where can I look up the firewall entries for the virtualbox ssh server Sep 14 22:02:18 it appears to be port 22 internally, but 5522 externally Sep 14 22:03:02 * chrisA whistles Sep 14 22:03:13 lol Sep 14 22:04:01 ryan[WIN]: just go to the directory of the thing you want Sep 14 22:04:06 oh dear Sep 14 22:04:17 ryan[WIN]: i'm sorry i was reading backlog from over an hour ago haha Sep 14 22:04:21 * dtzWill irc foul Sep 14 22:04:25 it's working ok right now Sep 14 22:04:40 i've run into a segfault and some POLL issue but both were fixed when i reran make Sep 14 22:04:54 hooray for transient errors Sep 14 22:04:59 x.x Sep 14 22:05:16 building on an eee pc and file destinations are on an external USB hd Sep 14 22:05:28 so it's a bit .... slow Sep 14 22:06:42 that's why I really like my Wind U100... Attach it to A/C power and it gives you push button overclocking to 1.9ghz ;p Sep 14 22:09:27 my entire OS is on a 16G compact flash card Sep 14 22:09:37 my development environment at least Sep 14 22:09:57 so I can take it around with me, plug it into a computer and boot up into my dev setup wherever I am at Sep 14 22:10:05 * chrisA wants to get involved in this "my os is smaller than yours" talk Sep 14 22:10:21 plus it keeps any of my dev materials from getting on the work laptop harddrive Sep 14 22:10:37 chrisA: I have a copy of DSL that I reworked and shrunk even more Sep 14 22:10:40 lol Sep 14 22:14:56 later everyone Sep 14 22:19:42 !exit Sep 14 22:32:06 ok Sep 14 22:32:12 build died again at /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -Wall -g -O2 -MT libdotconf_la-dotconf.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libdotconf_la-dotconf.Tpo -c -o libdotconf_la-dotconf.lo `test -f 'dotconf.c' || echo './'`dotconf.c Sep 14 22:32:25 there seems to be no way for me to fix this - i do an autoreconf and it just breaks the build Sep 14 22:35:36 libdotconf is overrated ;) Sep 14 22:38:47 what should i do to uhm Sep 14 22:38:51 fix this Sep 14 22:57:18 i see where it's all going wrong Sep 14 22:57:23 it's building its own libtool Sep 14 22:58:27 which means that as long as the built libtool matches the system libtool ALL GOES BETTER THAN EXPECTED Sep 14 22:58:35 but for absolutely everyone else it's a fail Sep 14 23:21:51 hmmm.... Preware just broughtme here from the help menu. Sep 14 23:22:37 ... And I'm confused about an issue w/ Emergency File Verification.. Sep 14 23:22:51 what's up? Sep 14 23:23:06 what's your question Sep 14 23:23:13 I'm trying to quote it. One sec... Sep 14 23:24:40 I have no computer where I'm @. Using my Pre, so bare w/ me. Sep 14 23:24:47 Detected stock files modified via a method other than supported patch technologies: File: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/views/prefsAccountSummary/prefsAccountSummary-scene.html Sep 14 23:26:17 install any patches from anything other than preware? Sep 14 23:26:59 humorously i just thought of that question in terms of "have sex with any strangers lately?" Sep 14 23:27:16 I installed a patch once through Internalz, other than that all through Preware. Sep 14 23:27:36 probably the internalz patch Sep 14 23:27:42 probably modified that file Sep 14 23:28:31 ummm... If that file was to be modified, what would it be modifying? )trying to track it down% Sep 14 23:28:55 sonething in the messenger app Sep 14 23:29:09 probably something on the accounts screen Sep 14 23:31:55 the format of the chat) woah... Words all over the screen! Sep 14 23:32:10 ?? Sep 14 23:32:54 Thanks. I'm going to uninstall patches in msg app and see if that will clear it up. Sep 14 23:33:46 This wirc is not PreBrowser friendly. I wish Preware wouldve launched wirc! :% Sep 14 23:34:13 what Sep 14 23:34:52 thanks cryptk. Sep 14 23:37:40 I... what the hell just happened? Sep 14 23:40:02 Any of you two know if doctoring my phone will null the fact that it's unlocked? Sep 14 23:43:59 Anybody? Sep 14 23:46:27 hi there. Does anyone know of a patch which allows me to turn off notifications for emai / tasks but leave it on for sms? Sep 14 23:47:00 you don't need a patch for that Sep 14 23:47:10 just go into each email account and disable notifications Sep 14 23:47:18 Anyone able to answer my question? Sep 14 23:47:44 * halfhalo is playing with redmine again... never a good sign Sep 14 23:47:50 Boopop: I believe unlocking discussion is not allowed here, as that generally involves violating carrier agreements. Sep 14 23:48:08 Thanks halfhalo but there is no such option Sep 14 23:48:12 Bleh =/ OK, thanks anyway Sep 14 23:48:13 Do you mean "Show Icon" ? Sep 14 23:48:23 Boopop: that said, the other reason no one's replying is perhaps they don't know as it probably greatly depends on how the unlock is done. but I honestly don't know much about those things. Sep 14 23:48:56 tanaks: disable show icon and set alert to mute Sep 14 23:49:57 halfhalo - thanks. What about the Tasks icon? Sep 14 23:51:40 no idea, have never used tasks Sep 14 23:54:30 thanks. How do I turn Tasks off then? Sep 14 23:59:29 one of your tasks has an alarm on it, I think Sep 15 00:22:15 morning Sep 15 00:22:24 mornin Sep 15 00:22:50 rwhitby: morning. SuperNES in the catalog! :D Sep 15 00:22:59 dundunDUN Sep 15 00:23:19 dtzWill: I know - I retweeted about it, telling people to buy VBA too Sep 15 00:23:53 http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/24511308399 Sep 15 00:24:02 * chrisA whistles Sep 15 00:24:17 oh I never noticed a twitter feed for here Sep 15 00:24:25 you whistle alot :p Sep 15 00:24:37 I do it to keep you on edge Sep 15 00:24:40 lol Sep 15 00:24:52 halfhalo: wrong sound. i think you were looking for: http://tinyurl.com/you-got-the-snes-emulator Sep 15 00:25:44 * rwhitby enjoys chrisA's melodic background sound effects ;) Sep 15 00:25:50 hah Sep 15 00:28:58 * halfhalo broke redmine Sep 15 00:29:22 shweet Sep 15 00:32:34 interesting. the AT&T 1.4.5 Pre+ doctor has a build date of 0722 - all the other 1.4.5 doctors are 0614/0615 ... Sep 15 00:37:47 0722 as opposed to 0615 Sep 15 00:37:49 ?* Sep 15 00:39:39 yeah Sep 15 00:43:04 whats good Sep 15 00:51:00 oc80z: Lumberjack Sep 15 00:51:30 woah. Sep 15 00:51:47 much better. irc is not webos browser friendly. Sep 15 00:52:39 Can someone help me? Sep 15 00:52:49 indeed. you need an awesome client like wIRC Sep 15 00:53:44 I have it. Went to get it. I got here originally from your 'help' pahe in PreWare, then went and got wIRC which is really awesome. Sep 15 00:56:18 I keep getting an error when I run emergency file verification. I've only installed one patch through internals, all the rest is Preware installed. Sep 15 00:56:47 I uninstalled EVERY messaging patch, yet I still get the error. Sep 15 00:58:00 I ran recovery & reconstruction but still get it. could it have been a 'theme'? (thinking the animated theme..) but it's in a weird place. Sep 15 01:00:45 never use themes Sep 15 01:01:19 rwhitby: nice. Sep 15 01:01:54 wont help after what happened to my device. Sep 15 01:02:03 Oh. Ok. Sep 15 01:02:07 i had a total /media/internal erase. Sep 15 01:03:06 JohnnyPre: put the full ipkg log from EFV on webos.pastebin.com Sep 15 01:12:39 I think I did that right. very complex from the Pre.... Sep 15 01:13:12 you pasted it on webos.pastebin.org? Sep 15 01:13:48 yes. Sep 15 01:14:13 efv 1 sec ago. Sep 15 01:14:36 yeah, we sorta need the link to it... Sep 15 01:15:31 Wow. I must admit, this is pretty cool. Palm should take notes. I really way over my head in this pastebin/irc thing. http://webos.pastebin.com/8HKDqUVv Sep 15 01:16:21 We should take notes about pastebin? Sep 15 01:17:18 what messaging patches do you have installed JohnnyPre... because thats what its failing on Sep 15 01:19:34 JohnnyPre: you have previously installed something outside of Preware which has modified ile: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/views/prefsAccountSummary/prefsAccountSummary-scene.html Sep 15 01:20:01 Palm should take notes in this process. (Ive done tech support with Palm..whew) I had 9 installed. wrote em down, but I uninstalled them and still getting it. so.... a doc is in order? Sep 15 01:20:27 JohnnyPre: I would advise you never to install something outside of Preware unless you know exactly what it is doing, and know exactly how to cleanly uninstall it later. Sep 15 01:21:00 At this point, you will need to use the webOS Repair Utility to restore that file to a pristine state. Sep 15 01:21:45 Alternatively, if none of the patches you are intending to install touch that file, you can just ignore the error. But it is better for you to get your device into a known good state rather than leave detritus lying around to haunt you later. Sep 15 01:21:48 I only installed 1 patch outside of Preware. I used internalz to install advance launcher. Sep 15 01:22:46 what about any themes Sep 15 01:23:32 (advance config for app launchr) yes, one. animated. removed it. I thought that was the one that did. I run efv quite often. (peeve I have) Sep 15 01:24:10 JohnnyPre: advanced config for app launcher has always been in Preware. why use Internalz to install it? Sep 15 01:24:44 repair util it is. preware saved list will replace it all in the end? Sep 15 01:25:27 when it was released in the forums I did it that way, but days later used Prewares version. Sep 15 01:28:44 are referring to 'recovery'? Sep 15 01:29:15 (when you say repair?) Sep 15 01:30:02 found it. (jr's repair). thanks guys! Sep 15 01:31:28 rwhitby; internals & the gang, you guys are great! Sep 15 01:51:26 anyone in the channel that has alot of MP3's on their pre? Sep 15 01:51:30 by lots I mean over 100 Sep 15 01:51:33 me! Sep 15 01:51:39 about how many? Sep 15 01:52:17 umm, I have 945 songs on my pre... I'm guessing 70% are mp3s Sep 15 01:52:25 Tibfib: rough guess Sep 15 01:52:35 awesome Sep 15 01:52:45 do you know how to palm-install and novaterm? Sep 15 01:53:22 if so, you wanna test something for me? Sep 15 01:53:24 umm, I need a refresher on novaterm, but I know palm-install Sep 15 01:53:28 ok Sep 15 01:53:33 are you on windows or linux? Sep 15 01:53:43 windows Sep 15 01:53:51 can I just use the webosqi one? Sep 15 01:53:59 no, top will not work in that Sep 15 01:54:05 alrighty Sep 15 01:54:09 you know where you have the SDK installed to? Sep 15 01:54:18 should be somewhere in c:\Program Files Sep 15 01:54:24 oh duh Sep 15 01:54:33 C:\Program Files\Palm\novacom.exe IIRC Sep 15 01:55:34 run it? Sep 15 01:55:41 you novacom by opening a command prompt, cd'ing to the directory that has novacom in it Sep 15 01:55:59 then you run the command "novacom.exe open tty://" Sep 15 01:56:02 I think that is it Sep 15 01:56:06 you have to do it at command line Sep 15 01:56:38 if you can get novacom'd into your pre, mind testing something for me? Sep 15 01:56:50 I want to see how much memory my app uses up on a pre with lots of mp3's Sep 15 01:56:57 yeah, getting my usb cord Sep 15 01:57:00 ok Sep 15 01:57:19 heh, I have very little memory available Sep 15 01:58:22 I am talking ram memory Sep 15 01:58:24 not disk space Sep 15 01:58:32 ah, gotcha Sep 15 01:58:55 well my pre minus has very little of that available too Sep 15 01:59:25 yeah, I am on a minus also Sep 15 01:59:39 on my pre it only uses 18M of memory, but I wanna see on someones pre that has alot of songs Sep 15 01:59:52 it uses random MP3's from /media/internal for background music Sep 15 02:00:03 were you able to get novaterm'd in? Sep 15 02:00:11 had to find my cord Sep 15 02:00:22 no prob Sep 15 02:00:25 take your time Sep 15 02:02:18 k, I'm novacom'd in Sep 15 02:04:25 awesome Sep 15 02:04:38 privmsg me your email addy and I am going to send you the ipk of my app Sep 15 02:40:13 nothing came back after the flash Sep 15 02:45:29 The Pixi is much easier to take apart & put back together compared to the Pre. Sep 15 02:49:31 but not overclockable Sep 15 02:49:35 so boooooooooooo Sep 15 02:51:38 * cryptk loves warthog Sep 15 02:54:52 jhowirc, don't be so sure that in the future that can't change. Sep 15 02:55:24 dude Sep 15 02:55:27 I tried Sep 15 02:55:40 pixi is tied to pll Sep 15 02:55:47 future, future...not today :D...patience grasshopper :D Sep 15 02:58:31 I don't see how Sep 15 02:58:47 with this particular iteration of the pixi Sep 15 02:59:01 someone else is welcome to try Sep 15 02:59:31 I would even push my diff if someone wants to play withit **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 15 02:59:57 2010