**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 15 02:59:57 2010
Sep 15 02:59:59 <ka6sox> "mother may I have a clock"
Sep 15 03:00:29 <halfhalo> lol
Sep 15 03:01:55 <rwhitby> Does http://bit.ly/supertux work for anyone?
Sep 15 03:02:07 <halfhalo> nope
Sep 15 03:02:17 <halfhalo> new app?
Sep 15 03:02:43 <cryptk> rwhitby: nope
Sep 15 03:02:45 <rwhitby> hmm - works on my device
Sep 15 03:02:59 <halfhalo> takes a few hours for the web page to be live
Sep 15 03:03:03 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: "The application is not currently available. Please try again later." from chrome
Sep 15 03:03:39 <cryptk> wait, just got it
Sep 15 03:04:03 <cryptk> I am getting the same message as summatusmentis on my PC, but on the pre it brings it up in the app cat
Sep 15 03:04:08 <cryptk> installing now
Sep 15 03:05:15 <halfhalo> what is it?
Sep 15 03:05:20 <cryptk> it is like super mario
Sep 15 03:05:30 <cryptk> but with tux the penguin (linux mascot)
Sep 15 03:05:35 <halfhalo> win
Sep 15 03:10:07 <dtzWill> rwhitby: i got that for a while too, takes a bit to sync up apparently (talked to lisa about it :[)
Sep 15 03:48:58 <maty> hello?
Sep 15 03:49:08 <halfhalo> hi
Sep 15 03:49:40 <maty> how do I put my phone in 'developer model?
Sep 15 03:50:07 <maty> sorry, developer mode.
Sep 15 03:50:07 <halfhalo> type upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart with no card open
Sep 15 03:51:18 <maty> seriously? Contra?
Sep 15 03:51:40 <halfhalo> yup
Sep 15 04:00:28 <cryptk> there is also a much shorter version
Sep 15 04:00:33 <cryptk> webos20090606
Sep 15 04:00:40 <halfhalo> which I can never remember
Sep 15 04:00:46 <cryptk> 20090606 is the release date for the pre
Sep 15 04:01:36 <halfhalo> yeah... doesn't mean I can remember it :p
Sep 15 04:01:43 <cryptk> lol
Sep 15 04:08:19 <maty> hello?
Sep 15 04:08:57 <maty> where do I find the webos quick install?
Sep 15 04:09:37 <cryptk> that is Canuck Software, not webos-internals
Sep 15 04:09:44 <cryptk> but I think he has links in his forum on precentral
Sep 15 04:10:29 <maty> the steps to install preware say to put it on developer mode, I did that, and then run webos quick install
Sep 15 04:11:08 <cryptk> if you are using the instructions at install.preware.org there is a link
Sep 15 04:19:42 * basotl is away: Taking off for a bit.
Sep 15 04:22:42 <maty_> when I download the webos quickinstall, is says the file format is not supported.
Sep 15 04:23:33 <maty_> hello?
Sep 15 04:26:41 <maty> hello?
Sep 15 04:28:01 <maty> it says the format is not supported
Sep 15 04:30:11 <maty> hello?
Sep 15 04:30:52 <maty> help please
Sep 15 04:34:20 <maty> hello?
Sep 15 04:35:16 <maty> hello?
Sep 15 04:35:40 <SineOt> hello!
Sep 15 05:44:51 <un_designer> hey all
Sep 15 05:46:08 <SineOt> hi
Sep 15 05:46:55 <un_designer> hey
Sep 15 05:47:00 <un_designer> looks like everyone's asleep
Sep 15 05:47:35 <SineOt> probably, it is almost 11 pm PST ;P
Sep 15 05:47:36 <un_designer> i was going to pimp a thread in the forums to help verizon webos peeps with their gps issue
Sep 15 05:47:39 <un_designer> http://bit.ly/aH3mOw
Sep 15 05:47:51 <un_designer> i guess i'll have to swing back in tomorrow then
Sep 15 05:48:02 <un_designer> would you mind spreading the words?
Sep 15 05:49:18 <rwhitby> un_designer: tweet with @webosinternals in it, and I'll retweet
Sep 15 05:49:31 <un_designer> hey that's a good idea
Sep 15 05:49:35 <un_designer> why didn't i think of that
Sep 15 05:49:42 <un_designer> thx :)
Sep 15 05:53:22 <un_designer> done
Sep 15 05:53:36 <un_designer> thx for the suggestion, Rod
Sep 15 06:06:58 <rwhitby> un_designer: done
Sep 15 06:07:46 <un_designer> sweet. thank you.
Sep 15 06:28:40 <hape> ~seen dtzWill
Sep 15 06:28:46 <infobot> dtzwill <~will@unaffiliated/dtzwill> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 3h 18m 37s ago, saying: 'rwhitby: i got that for a while too, takes a bit to sync up apparently (talked to lisa about it :[)'.
Sep 15 06:29:50 <jhoweb> ~seen egaudet
Sep 15 06:29:52 <infobot> egaudet <~egaudet@pool-173-48-247-224.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 13h 31m 1s ago, saying: 'and AUPT has "nothing" to do with Preware, the same issues would arrise with any package installer as it's a flaw in the install scripts, not the installers'.
Sep 15 11:05:34 <solix> no more flicking the server page off w/o disconnecting.. :(
Sep 15 11:06:26 <solix> suppose i'll manage ;) hehe
Sep 15 11:09:32 <solix> ive got a 25% discount on ZAGG (invisheild, etc) if neone wants it, good till this weekend.. lmk.
Sep 15 15:42:54 <cryptk|work> ok, so what WOSI apps are there in the app cat? Supertux, VBA, Supernes, Pressi Zola
Sep 15 15:42:57 <cryptk|work> what else?
Sep 15 15:43:31 <cryptk|work> which reminds me, at some point I need to get pressi zola in git/preware feeds
Sep 15 15:43:43 <halfhalo> yes you do
Sep 15 15:44:50 <halfhalo> but you know what needs to happen first? redmine :p
Sep 15 15:45:42 <cryptk|work> haha
Sep 15 15:45:42 <cryptk|work> yes
Sep 15 15:46:02 <cryptk|work> can you think of any other WOSI apps that are in the app cat?
Sep 15 15:46:07 <cryptk|work> I want to make a wiki page
Sep 15 15:46:14 <halfhalo> Nope
Sep 15 15:46:37 <halfhalo> although redmine with the gitosis plugin will be.... interesting
Sep 15 15:47:32 <cryptk|work> the version that got into the app cat is 1.1.2 so no sound effects in it yet
Sep 15 15:47:40 <cryptk|work> but I have submited the update to 1.5.2
Sep 15 15:47:49 <cryptk|work> hopefully in a day or two it will go through
Sep 15 15:48:52 <en0x> cryptk|work: 'sup? u msgmed me yesterday
Sep 15 15:49:12 <cryptk|work> yeah, I wanted to know if you wanted the latest version since you are one of my beta testers
Sep 15 16:07:33 <cryptk|work> rwhitby: you forgot Pressi Zola in your tweet
Sep 15 16:07:41 <cryptk|work> of course it wasn't live in the cat until this morning
Sep 15 16:08:58 <RagingMind> the Preware menu isn't working  :(
Sep 15 17:36:26 <nn7> so verizon finally got the 1.4.5 upgrade today
Sep 15 17:36:39 <nn7> One of my patches won't install
Sep 15 17:36:53 <nn7> ipkg log says "Unreversed patch detected" three times
Sep 15 18:05:38 <nn7> :/
Sep 15 18:07:15 <mikewx> i have one of those too
Sep 15 18:07:22 <mikewx> i just ignore it :)
Sep 15 18:07:53 <mikewx> i think mine is stay on when charging that's causing it. which i found odd because that wasn't a behavior i've ever wanted anyway
Sep 15 18:30:28 <egaudet> preware save package list, then EPR, then install from saved package list
Sep 15 18:31:31 <mikewx> i'll prolly just doctor for 2.0 :)
Sep 15 18:48:07 <ryan[WIN]> question to everyone in here that's worked with the widk:  when was the last time you successfully built the widk and is there any other way to get it besides the current git repo
Sep 15 18:57:08 <cryptk|work> I have the WIDK installed on my machine
Sep 15 19:21:04 <halfhalo> weewt
Sep 15 19:23:38 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: around june i think, and afaik no
Sep 15 19:45:21 <novosirj> Just a quick question if anyone's alive in here...
Sep 15 19:45:43 <novosirj> I have recently switched phones. I did a backup and restore with the Pre Backup Utility.
Sep 15 19:46:01 <novosirj> Everything is fine, except PreWare thinks all of my patches are installed and none are.
Sep 15 19:46:46 <novosirj> How can I not lose the list of installed patches, reset PreWare so it doesn't think patches are installed (I suspect that is easy) and install from that list?
Sep 15 19:48:11 <mikewx> i think egaudet's advice to me would serve your purpose as well
Sep 15 19:48:12 <mikewx> egaudet: preware save package list, then EPR, then install from saved package list
Sep 15 19:48:40 <novosirj> EPR doesn't appear to work, and I suspect the reason why is that it goes to remove patches and they aren't really there.
Sep 15 19:48:56 <novosirj> That would have been my guess as for what to do.
Sep 15 19:49:41 <novosirj> It's sorta like I need a metadata-only EPR.
Sep 15 19:50:37 <novosirj> Maybe I need Emergency Patch Installer instead.
Sep 15 19:51:15 <novosirj> (nah, that doesn't appear to work either)
Sep 15 19:55:06 <egaudet> ESE
Sep 15 19:56:16 <novosirj> OK, I'll try that, thank you.
Sep 15 19:58:20 <novosirj> Odd... it didn't seem to do a whole lot.
Sep 15 19:58:46 <oil> emergency patch installer?
Sep 15 19:59:22 <oil> when is installing a patch an emergency?
Sep 15 19:59:26 <oil> lol
Sep 15 19:59:58 <novosirj> Yeah, that's a good question, but it exists. :)
Sep 15 20:04:14 <novosirj> Oh! I see why.
Sep 15 20:04:19 <novosirj> It does not list my patches as installed.
Sep 15 20:04:26 <novosirj> It was showing me applications from the app catalog.
Sep 15 20:04:36 <novosirj> So my list of installed patches is not around.
Sep 15 20:05:19 <cryptk|work> novosirj: what exactly is your problem? I came in late
Sep 15 20:05:31 <novosirj> I just discovered what my real problem is. :)
Sep 15 20:05:35 <novosirj> I replaced my handset.
Sep 15 20:05:43 <novosirj> I restored from a backup using Pre Backup Utility.
Sep 15 20:05:50 <novosirj> I now don't have my patches or a list of what they were.
Sep 15 20:05:56 <cryptk|work> pre backup utility is kind of dangerous
Sep 15 20:05:56 <novosirj> I do have the old handset and a backup available.
Sep 15 20:06:02 <novosirj> Yeah, it is.
Sep 15 20:06:07 <cryptk|work> install save/restore on the old handset
Sep 15 20:06:18 <cryptk|work> update your saved packages list in preware on the old handset
Sep 15 20:06:28 <cryptk|work> run a backup with save/restore
Sep 15 20:06:48 <cryptk|work> copy the saverestore folder from the USB of old handset to new handset
Sep 15 20:06:56 <cryptk|work> install preware and saverestore on new handset
Sep 15 20:07:04 <cryptk|work> open saverestore and restore preware only
Sep 15 20:07:09 <novosirj> That was what I was thinking. The one issue though is that the old handset does not have cellular... oh, I could use WiFi couldn't I?
Sep 15 20:07:14 <cryptk|work> install all packages from saved packages list
Sep 15 20:07:25 <cryptk|work> then restore everything from save/restore
Sep 15 20:07:26 <cryptk|work> yes
Sep 15 20:07:28 <cryptk|work> use wifi
Sep 15 20:07:49 <novosirj> (I wish these damn things could work while plugged in without a battery in them, incidentally :))
Sep 15 20:07:58 <cryptk|work> saverestore will not restore things like text messages though
Sep 15 20:08:04 <novosirj> Nah...
Sep 15 20:08:12 <cryptk|work> but it will back them up into nicely formatted HTML docs in case you need them
Sep 15 20:08:30 <novosirj> I did get Pre Backup Utility to restore and everything else worked, save for one or two apps that I had to straight up remove and reinstall.
Sep 15 20:08:41 <novosirj> It's dangerous, but thankfully worked (had to use 1.6.1).
Sep 15 20:09:44 <novosirj> I didn't notice PreWare's settings got lost until later. I thought that it thought the patches were installed when they weren't, but it turns out it's because on the old handset, I left Palm's catalog turned off in Preware so I didn't see all that stuff in there, and the "installed packages" on the new one was apps installed, not patches.
Sep 15 20:10:19 <cryptk|work> yeah
Sep 15 20:10:32 <cryptk|work> before you do saverestore and whatnot, enable all feeds in preware and update feeds
Sep 15 20:10:45 <cryptk|work> do that before you restore the apps from saved packages list
Sep 15 20:10:50 <oil> prewares prefs are in cookies, palm profile should handle backup/restore of them
Sep 15 20:10:51 <novosirj> What's the reason? In case the version numbers have changed since I backed up?
Sep 15 20:11:28 <novosirj> I ended up removing it since. I might have whacked the settings myself.
Sep 15 20:13:12 <novosirj> This phone has humbled me some. I assumed I'd know more about the internals of it, being Linux and me being a pretty experienced sysadmin... but there appears to be a lot of black maic. :)
Sep 15 20:20:19 <ryan[WIN]> dtzWill, the current build is unbuildable for me unless i move lots of probably necessary libs to nonworking
Sep 15 20:21:03 <cryptk|work> if all you are doing is normal SDL stuff those folders I listed are the only ones you need
Sep 15 20:21:11 <ryan[WIN]> yeah but i can't even compile this
Sep 15 20:21:21 <ryan[WIN]> AFTER doing that
Sep 15 20:21:38 <cryptk|work> post the errors on the WIDK talk page (not the main page) on the wiki and we will look into the problems
Sep 15 20:21:42 <ryan[WIN]> as soon as it gets into compiling common libs, libtool errors cause shutdown
Sep 15 20:21:43 <ryan[WIN]> ok
Sep 15 20:39:26 <novosirj> Well, looks like so much for that idea perhaps... heh. When I booted up the old phone, it said "you're no longer logged into your Palm profile" and I think it blew away the contents of the phone if I had to guess, based on Googling.
Sep 15 20:40:32 <novosirj> Glad I had that backed up... awfully abrupt of it to pull that kind of a move without telling me that's what it's going to do.
Sep 15 20:43:04 <novosirj> Oh, maybe it didn't erase the data... but it won't let me past that screen.
Sep 15 20:54:00 <novosirj> Nope, erased. Oh well.
Sep 15 20:54:05 <novosirj> That's what backups are for.
Sep 15 20:54:10 <novosirj> Thanks for your help.
Sep 15 21:01:24 <egaudet> erased?
Sep 15 21:03:19 <egaudet> bbiab
Sep 15 21:20:11 <idontwan2know> Hmm...think my Pre may be on its last legs. Hopefully it's just a bad software install and a trip to the doctor will resolve it.
Sep 15 21:46:54 <idontwan2know> Hmm...preware standalone installer doesn't appear to be working.
Sep 15 21:47:49 <idontwan2know> Nevermind...second attempt succeeded.
Sep 15 21:50:45 <idontwan2know> Is the package feed down?
Sep 15 21:51:02 <idontwan2know> Seems to be.
Sep 15 21:52:59 <idontwan2know> and now it's back.
Sep 15 21:53:00 <idontwan2know> sweet
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Sep 15 23:18:50 <KGF2009> This room is always dead when I try to ask a question.
Sep 15 23:21:19 <oil> ;(
Sep 15 23:21:58 <KGF2009> Oh, someone's alive.
Sep 15 23:24:27 <krushia__> i have a penis
Sep 15 23:25:32 <KGF2009> So, oil, any suggestions come to mind?
Sep 15 23:25:38 <oil> nope
Sep 15 23:25:40 <oil> lol
Sep 15 23:26:00 <KGF2009> Aw.
Sep 15 23:26:02 <KGF2009> SSH?
Sep 15 23:27:20 <krushia__> define "apps with vnc interface"
Sep 15 23:27:56 <KGF2009> As in, something where I can get a picture of my desktop (not necessarily live) and can control it by keyboard and maybe mouse.
Sep 15 23:30:36 <rwhitby> so a VNC server that run on webOS
Sep 15 23:31:43 <RagingMind> vnc server or client?
Sep 15 23:32:16 <krushia__> my pre has neither desktop nor mouse
Sep 15 23:32:28 <ryan[WIN]> you would probably want a vnc client on webos rather than a server
Sep 15 23:32:33 * chrisA whistles casually
Sep 15 23:32:36 <ryan[WIN]> there's usually nothing interesting going on with my phone :P
Sep 15 23:33:30 <krushia__> i want an nx client for webos
Sep 15 23:33:46 <rwhitby> KGF2009: do you mean control your phone or control your desktop.  (I'm assuming phone, cause you said you want to control it with a mouse and your phone doesn't have a mouse)
Sep 15 23:34:12 <KGF2009> Yes, I want a client app, not server.
Sep 15 23:34:40 <rwhitby> there's sdlvnc
Sep 15 23:35:05 <rwhitby> might have to build it yourself though - dunno whether anyone has packaged it
Sep 15 23:35:20 <krushia__> palmvnc in classic is the only option if you're on at&t like me :(
Sep 15 23:35:35 <chrisA> hm?
Sep 15 23:36:00 <rwhitby> sdl works on 1.4.2
Sep 15 23:36:25 <krushia__> orly
Sep 15 23:37:10 <rwhitby> we've had homebrew SDL apps since 1.3.5
Sep 15 23:37:20 <krushia__> is it any slicker than x forwarding on the pre?
Sep 15 23:43:54 <krushia__> i remember sdlvnc wiki page turning me off
Sep 16 01:10:09 <creationix> can I ask questions about Palm's webkit here, or just the #webos room?
Sep 16 02:00:17 <scoutcamper> who here has tried supertux and loved it?
Sep 16 02:00:21 * scoutcamper raises hand
Sep 16 02:00:32 <SineOt> is there a Pixi version? :p
Sep 16 02:03:59 <KGF2009> Not supported on my OS.
Sep 16 02:07:14 <scoutcamper> rwhitby: is there a pixi supertux
Sep 16 02:07:15 <scoutcamper> ?
Sep 16 02:07:46 <rwhitby> I don't think so
Sep 16 02:11:14 <Tibfib> rwhitby: do the verizon and at&t 1.4.5 updates have the fstab issue?
Sep 16 02:11:53 <rwhitby> I expect so, but there is no harm in running EFF anyway
Sep 16 02:15:32 <ka6sox-work> rwhitby, are we over the rush for upgrades now with the server?
Sep 16 02:15:37 <Tibfib> rwhitby: alrighty, thanks
Sep 16 02:16:53 * halfhalo perks his ears up at the mention of server upgrades
Sep 16 02:17:10 <ka6sox-work> one can only hope soon
Sep 16 02:17:27 * halfhalo blames oil for the delay
Sep 16 02:19:17 * chrisA whistles inquisitively
Sep 16 02:25:49 <halfhalo> I still don't know how redmine will like the gits, though...
Sep 16 02:27:03 <halfhalo> Or how you people want to handle subprojects, if you want them at all
Sep 16 02:28:02 * halfhalo just likes fiddling with the backend webserver stuffs
Sep 16 02:54:57 <john1313> webos internalz rocks
Sep 16 02:55:13 <rwhitby> indeed we do
Sep 16 02:55:33 <rwhitby> and we do it without having a 'z' in our name too ;)
Sep 16 02:55:55 <john1313> I like the z
Sep 16 02:58:23 <halfhalo> z makes it that much more awesome
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