**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 19 02:59:56 2010 Sep 19 03:03:01 Just installed the new Warthog update. Sep 19 03:03:53 g'day Zen00 Sep 19 03:04:08 jhojho is the man to speak to about warthog Sep 19 03:04:14 Hey rwhitby, this is also my first time on this channel. Sep 19 03:04:28 Yeah, but maybe you can help. Sep 19 03:04:58 Seems the update has put me in a bind for the first time since I started OCing. Sep 19 03:05:23 I'm stuck at the Palm loading screen, the black and white first one. Sep 19 03:05:34 Any suggestions or do I need to wipe? Sep 19 03:06:38 three possible scenarios Sep 19 03:06:51 1) it's running at 125MHz, so booting *very* slowly Sep 19 03:07:19 2) some upstart script is causing it to go to a freq it doesn't like Sep 19 03:07:27 3) kernel doesn't like your hardware Sep 19 03:07:49 for 1, you wait, and then select a new profile when it boots Sep 19 03:08:02 I'm hoping it's not like that update in the -70's which caused it to crash. Sep 19 03:08:21 for 2, you doctor, or if you're proficient with metadoctor you can memboot and mount and edit the files manually on the linux command line Sep 19 03:08:34 for 3, you doctor Sep 19 03:09:21 I can try the metadoctor, I've never done it before but I am software proficient so it shouldn't be too hard, in the mean time I've let it try booting for about five minutes and it's still sitting there. Sep 19 03:09:43 five minutes is normal boot time :) Sep 19 03:09:56 Without moving from the black and white palm screen? Sep 19 03:10:10 we're talking 30 mins if it's at 125MHz. but more likely it's a voltage too low for your device, so a doctor will be required. Sep 19 03:10:21 yup Sep 19 03:10:33 It generally changes to my pulsating orange palm logo after a minute or two. Sep 19 03:10:37 i think my sprint device is not liking it too much Sep 19 03:10:43 sigh Sep 19 03:10:56 it does boot on the gsm pre tho Sep 19 03:11:11 He did mention some voltage changes, but my Pre has proved to be able to run at most if not all kernel settings so far. Sep 19 03:11:15 lessee if the sprint device boots Sep 19 03:11:34 Zen00: yeah, but warthog is "special" ;) Sep 19 03:11:52 I'll let this run for a half hour and see if there are any changes.If not, then to the meta-mobile! Sep 19 03:12:05 But why would it be booting at 125mhz? Sep 19 03:12:33 I thought it booted at whatever speed you had your kernel currently set to. Sep 19 03:12:44 we've had that in the past where people had configured a gonvah profile with 125 and forgotten to take it off before trying another kernel Sep 19 03:13:24 but the most likely cause for you is a voltage under your device's limit, which means a doctor is the quickest way to resolve it Sep 19 03:13:29 Yeah, I've been on my custom 500/800 forever, never touched the 125/250 states after deciding that it's all about the race to idle. Sep 19 03:13:52 and since you're a warthog alpha testing, doctoring should be second nature Sep 19 03:14:09 Yeah I know, I just like to save that for each new webOS update though... Sep 19 03:14:14 (since it's intentionally the most bleeding edge of all the kernels) Sep 19 03:14:20 i knew I should have membooted the sprint phone =D Sep 19 03:14:31 And I was hoping that someone would make a SuperSNES save script first. Sep 19 03:14:35 jhojho: "Testing is for users" - Linus Torvalds Sep 19 03:14:50 lol Sep 19 03:14:50 lol Sep 19 03:14:54 it is Sep 19 03:15:06 I tested on the gsm pre and it worked fine Sep 19 03:15:19 That's about all I regret at this moment in testing that there is none. Sep 19 03:15:27 and what's funny is the same voltage works for vdd1 Sep 19 03:15:34 And I didn't save all my Angry Birds work from this morning. Sep 19 03:15:42 :( Sep 19 03:16:07 Ah well, I like the bleeding edge too much to worry about that kind of stuff. Sep 19 03:16:16 http://www.mail-archive.com/git@vger.kernel.org/msg00483.html Sep 19 03:16:35 the full quote is "Or something. I didn't test the above. Testing is for users." Sep 19 03:17:33 Sounds like the company that puts out beta products as full production stuff's motto. Sep 19 03:18:04 oh noes Sep 19 03:18:13 I didnt save my angry bird stuff Sep 19 03:18:15 oh well Sep 19 03:18:15 That's something I really hate about gaming right now, the plethora of patching that goes on due to shoddy programming just to get the product out "on time". Sep 19 03:18:41 Yeah, it's no big deal, I was just being silly about it. Sep 19 03:18:43 jhojho: yeah, I'm still waiting for someone to step up to do the mojo for save/restore scheduled saving Sep 19 03:21:44 uh oh Sep 19 03:21:52 the gsm pre seems to have taken a dive too Sep 19 03:22:08 I'd do more for Internals if I could program, but learning mojo is a summer fling, and school is in full session now. I'm working on Organic Chemistry and Physics now. Sep 19 03:22:24 Maybe we should have the update pulled... Sep 19 03:22:36 meh Sep 19 03:22:49 i'm building a new update now Sep 19 03:22:51 If it does this to everybodys, then that could be an issue. Sep 19 03:22:53 Ah. Sep 19 03:23:05 if it works, i'll push something Sep 19 03:23:13 nah, it's a good learning experience :) Sep 19 03:23:24 Keep people on their toes. Sep 19 03:23:44 too bad i can't memboot from powerup Sep 19 03:23:52 I generally wait a day or two before updating to the latest Warthog kernel, but tonight I had some free time on my hand, so this is what happens. Sep 19 03:23:59 lol Sep 19 03:24:21 -114 was fine Sep 19 03:24:22 jhojho: you can get into recovery mode and then memload Sep 19 03:24:31 So, would you suggest a full doctor, or metadoctor for me? Sep 19 03:24:38 full doctor Sep 19 03:25:02 getting a replacement kernel installed on a memloaded device is too much hassle Sep 19 03:25:12 Meh. Sep 19 03:25:19 rwhitby: recovery mode as in tellbootie recover? Sep 19 03:25:24 jhojho: vol up Sep 19 03:25:29 or that Sep 19 03:25:59 I used to have a similar issue to this on my mp3 player, to fix it I would bust open the case and short the pins on the main memory controller. Maybe I could...... *ZAP*! Sep 19 03:26:12 Zen00: you'd need to unpack the ipkg on the host, and then novacom put the uImage and modules over. Sep 19 03:26:36 after memload and mounting the lvm partitions Sep 19 03:27:51 Let me break that down, I need to unzip/unpack the warthog ipkg on my computer, then use novacom to install the uImage and modules... I don't know what those are, I'm not a Linux guru. Yet. Sep 19 03:29:00 I can upload a replacement uImage if that helps Sep 19 03:29:11 yep, after membooting the device and mounting the lvm partitions Sep 19 03:29:33 doctoring will be quicker, assuming this is a dev device without production data on it Sep 19 03:29:42 Real quick, how do you do a memboot? Sep 19 03:29:54 it's in the metadoctor makefile Sep 19 03:29:59 Ah. Sep 19 03:30:19 I should probably download that. I have all tomorrow to learn how to use it. Sep 19 03:30:37 I want to get this back on line by Monday if possible. Sep 19 03:30:38 * jhojho waits patiently for kernel compile to finish Sep 19 03:31:03 doh Sep 19 03:31:11 I forgot to make it 1.4.5 only Sep 19 03:31:38 jhojho: When you say that you'll mount a replacement uImage, do you mean the new-new warthog kernel, or of the previous version? Sep 19 03:31:58 no, the one I'm compiling now Sep 19 03:32:09 That would be the new-new one. Sep 19 03:32:13 yes Sep 19 03:32:25 bumped the voltage up by a tad Sep 19 03:32:54 I'll try that out when you have it up, I can access the testing feeds from my computer so just put it there. Sep 19 03:33:06 oh I'm not packaging it Sep 19 03:33:18 it's just a raw uImage Sep 19 03:33:30 Then where will I download it from, dear jhojho, dear jhojho? Sep 19 03:33:41 i'll throw up a url Sep 19 03:33:44 Sure. Sep 19 03:33:51 how to load it is left as an exercise Sep 19 03:34:15 I'm just reading about the metadoctor in the wiki right now. Sep 19 03:34:52 By the way, my last line referenced the song "There's a Hole in my Bucket", in case you were wondering. Sep 19 03:35:39 Does the metadoctor run on Windows 7, as I don't see any install instructions for it. Sep 19 03:35:48 nope. Sep 19 03:36:03 Ah darn. Sep 19 03:36:09 I don't have linux installed. Sep 19 03:36:14 I could try a live Cd. Sep 19 03:36:17 Linux, MacOSX. Or Cygwin as a last resort with no guarantees and no support. Sep 19 03:36:35 You should run a Ubuntu image in the same VirtualBox as the SDK Sep 19 03:36:45 That would work. Sep 19 03:38:01 I need to learn how to use this anyways so that if I can ever get my hands on a Pre+ radio board I can make the switch and plus my Sprint Pre. Sep 19 03:38:14 dum dum dum Sep 19 03:38:14 compile puppy! Sep 19 03:38:40 lol Sep 19 03:40:15 Yeah, it's been a half hour and no change on the loading. Sep 19 03:41:16 * halfhalo blames oil Sep 19 03:41:17 By the way, when you changed the voltage settings, which ones were changed? Sep 19 03:42:20 I had modified mine so that I was running 500/800 at 36/46 Sep 19 03:42:57 read the source Sep 19 03:44:08 alright compile finished Sep 19 03:44:26 I'm guessing you mean the source code of the Warthog kernel, in which case I don't really know how to read through all that code. If you mean another file, then where can I find it, perchance? Sep 19 03:45:16 read the source code Sep 19 03:45:26 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=tree;f=warthogbuild Sep 19 03:45:39 thx Sep 19 03:45:46 it's the opp5* file Sep 19 03:46:16 it's that extra 50Hz which is to blame ;) Sep 19 03:46:46 lol Sep 19 03:46:56 i didnt touch the top end at all Sep 19 03:47:53 There's three files with opp5 in the title, which one? Sep 19 03:48:53 And what program should I use to read it? Sep 19 03:49:57 theres only one that starts with opp5 Sep 19 03:50:48 Found it, should I choose the blob or raw? Sep 19 03:52:13 lol Sep 19 03:52:23 voltage is right on the end Sep 19 03:52:37 powering the screen on and off causes it to hesitate Sep 19 03:54:34 should I bump it up by one more.. Sep 19 03:54:51 At the end of the file name, or of the innards? Sep 19 03:55:28 dude, if you dont know what you are looking for, its not going to make much sense Sep 19 03:56:53 Yeah, but I'm trying to learn, what should I be looking for? I'm used to voltages as seen in Govnah, something like 46 36 26 12... Sep 19 03:59:12 hint: that's in decimal, the source is in hex Sep 19 03:59:27 Ah. Sep 19 04:15:12 So if I'm doing this correctly, you changed the standard voltage on the 800Mhz option from the original 50ish, to 42? Sep 19 04:15:54 there is no "original" 800mhz option Sep 19 04:16:00 it is what it is Sep 19 04:16:15 -116 pushed to the autobuilder. should be there in an hour or so Sep 19 04:16:18 From what it used to be set at. Sep 19 04:16:20 bbl Sep 19 04:18:52 Anyways, I found the new values (in hex/dec) and can see what you changed. Sep 19 04:19:53 Though it doesn't help as I can't access the old values right now to read them. :( Sep 19 04:53:11 By the way, do I get a kudos for reporting the issue. :D I'd like an extra-chocolately one please! Sep 19 05:07:03 warthog-116 is now avail Sep 19 08:24:20 rwhitby: Ping Sep 19 08:29:29 hape: pong Sep 19 08:29:58 have you seen that: http://www.fractalbrew.com/labs/prefox/ Sep 19 08:30:19 last line "I?m trying to find out if I can get it listed in the regular homebrew feeds that PreWare accesses directly but so far the only one I have figured out how to upload to won?t accept a package this large." Sep 19 08:32:17 whated to give it a try on the widk but they use a cvs that i never herad of "Mercurial"? Sep 19 08:32:29 commands sounds simular to git.. Sep 19 08:34:36 hg is similar to git, yes. Sep 19 08:49:40 moin moin Sep 19 08:50:16 Hi noradtux, seen http://www.fractalbrew.com/labs/prefox/ Sep 19 08:50:34 I just saw in here Sep 19 08:50:47 * hape installing right now Sep 19 08:58:11 realy alpha were. Loads pages but like to crash. Simply loading of www.precentral.net crashes it for me a O2 1.4.5 Pre Sep 19 09:00:27 but of course it will get front page news on all the tech blog sites Sep 19 09:49:43 jo, but it is a start... Sep 19 17:56:34 mmmuuuurder Sep 19 17:59:42 you killed hucksy! Sep 19 18:00:06 /win Sep 19 18:16:08 Hey all. Sep 19 18:16:17 Zen00: morning :) Sep 19 18:16:46 Just finished my doctoring after catching that bug with the new Warthog kernel last night. Sep 19 18:17:25 So I lost all my SuperSNES saves, due to a lack of Save/Restore support. :( Sep 19 18:17:53 Zen00: :( Sep 19 18:18:06 But my real problem is that my Profile isn't restoring my applications! Sep 19 18:18:14 Zen00: o_O Sep 19 18:18:51 Any suggestions? Sep 19 18:19:10 not from me, no, sorry. Sep 19 18:19:18 doctor doctor Sep 19 18:19:34 although it does remind me that in theory there's some kind of bounty system to get save/restore support for app's... i'll have to see if i can make that happen. Sep 19 18:19:41 Doctor again? I was thinking trying to log into my profile again. Sep 19 18:19:55 oh, well try that first Sep 19 18:20:34 Just, how do I log out first? Sep 19 18:24:02 device info I think Sep 19 18:24:31 I think you'll have to do a reset Sep 19 18:25:24 As in doctor, or power reset? Sep 19 18:26:16 to log out of your profile Sep 19 18:26:26 go to device info, then reset options Sep 19 18:26:56 Yeah, I was in there, but there's not Log Out option. Sep 19 18:27:04 Just erase and restart. Sep 19 18:30:02 yeah, I think you'll have to erase and restart which will log you out Sep 19 18:40:35 hey everyone, I'm currently in transit across country and I tried to download a video from youtube, but I believe it stopped downloading, my question is what is the temp download location before the video is moved to downloads Sep 19 18:53:04 Can you restore your patches with Preware, or do you have to manually redownload them all each time? Sep 19 19:30:19 hnn Sep 19 19:39:12 oil: is there a reason you don't turn links in the descriptions of packages into clickable ones? Sep 19 19:39:43 or rwhitby Sep 19 19:39:56 * halfhalo blames oil Sep 19 19:41:59 it doesn't parse them Sep 19 19:42:01 it allows html Sep 19 19:42:08 click Sep 19 19:42:09 oil: try: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1861&Itemid=250#.runTextIndexer Sep 19 19:42:10 = link Sep 19 19:42:16 * halfhalo was right for once Sep 19 19:42:18 oh. I guess that makes sense. Sep 19 19:42:26 no, not textIndexer Sep 19 19:42:27 but, you could auto parse for the lazy :) Sep 19 19:42:37 it does weird things with strings of numbers Sep 19 19:42:42 turning them into a phone number clickable link Sep 19 19:42:53 and smilies Sep 19 19:42:54 when do you use numbers in descriptions? Sep 19 19:43:00 im just saying Sep 19 19:43:04 it does a lot of crap we dont want Sep 19 19:43:25 I don't think smilies happen unless you specify it. it's kind of borked Sep 19 19:43:30 or Sep 19 19:43:33 you could just put html Sep 19 19:43:34 lol Sep 19 19:43:38 which lets you do whatever you want Sep 19 19:43:47 oil: can't do html in catalog. Sep 19 19:43:57 so we should strip html out of preware? Sep 19 19:43:57 lol Sep 19 19:44:11 no... Sep 19 19:46:37 I just thought it could be helpful for app catalog descriptions. Sep 19 19:56:53 ah, because of the catalog feed Sep 19 19:56:59 i could see adding it for catalog packages Sep 19 19:57:08 i forgot about the catalog feed because i dont use it Sep 19 19:57:10 your a catalog feed Sep 19 19:57:27 it would be like 4 lines of code. Sep 19 19:57:32 liek, totaly Sep 19 19:59:02 Ok windows, why the hell am I down to 43GB of free space right after a reformat.... WHY DO YOU HATE ME SO Sep 19 20:01:13 * uNiXpSyChO blames oil Sep 19 20:01:20 * halfhalo blames oil as well Sep 19 20:01:25 not you too Sep 19 20:01:51 hahahaha Sep 19 20:05:44 * halfhalo laptop has started to beep uncontrollably again Sep 19 20:23:08 Hello, I have a question about Preware and the update to WebOS 1.4.5. Sep 19 20:24:13 What must I uninstall in Preware, before I let my Pre's WebOS update? Sep 19 20:25:15 I do believe only themes need to be uninstalled now Sep 19 20:26:57 I have a Virtual Keyboard, I here that causes some problems. Or am I misunderstood (I know Forums tend to report ridicules things)? Sep 19 20:28:04 All my installs are as followes: GNU Patch, Lsdiff, VKB Default Themes and Configuration, Virtual Keyboard. Sep 19 20:28:32 I just want to make sure everything goes well. Sorry, I'm still new to this. Sep 19 20:32:45 Hello? Sep 19 20:34:04 hi Sep 19 20:34:41 I have a quick question, it was kinda already answered, but I'd like a bit of clarification. Sep 19 20:35:17 When updating to WebOS 1.4.5, what must I remove from Preware? Sep 19 20:36:11 Themes and there's a list on the Precentral forums somewhere of the like... 8 patches that have to be removed Sep 19 20:36:49 Everything else should be fine, then can be fixed by running Preware and updating everything Sep 19 20:37:03 Well, like I said before, GNU Patch, Lsdiff, VKB Default Themes and Configuration, Virtual Keyboard are all that I have installed (I've done very little). Sep 19 20:37:17 then you should be good to go Sep 19 20:39:35 Then just update? Sep 19 20:40:52 yup Sep 19 20:41:13 Alright, cheers! I'll keep you update as I do this. Sep 19 20:41:20 after the update is done rerun preware and it should have stuff under "Available Updates" Sep 19 20:41:27 and just tap Update All and you should be good to go Sep 19 20:46:09 Alright, plugging in the phone now to get the charge needed for the Update (I refrained from plugging it into charge, because it said it would auto-update). Sep 19 21:02:14 So, in the mean time (because this is taking bloody forever). Sep 19 21:02:23 Do you have a Pre, or a Pixi? Sep 19 21:12:26 I have a Pixi :9 Sep 19 21:12:35 and love it Sep 19 21:12:58 Ah, I have a Pre. I was just going to ask if you new how durable the screen is. Sep 19 21:13:19 I've only had it for about two weeks now, I've barley touched it. So, I'm being very fragile. Sep 19 21:14:23 If you keep it in the little pouch it comes with, it's all in all pretty durable. Sep 19 21:14:39 Oh, I do that. Sep 19 21:14:45 As well as have a case on it xD Sep 19 21:14:46 My girlfriend has a Pre Plus with Verizon and she's had it for about... 4 or 5 months now I think without any scratches. Sep 19 21:14:59 Ah, that makes me rejoice! Sep 19 21:15:02 The only scratches on it are from when I dropped it and it slid between the seats in a rental car :B Sep 19 21:15:17 and even then it's really only two small scuffs along the top edge Sep 19 21:15:17 I was reading somewhere, someone said the screen scrathes super easily because it's plastic. Sep 19 21:15:40 Or something, I don't know, crazy forum folk. Sep 19 21:16:25 keep in mind that for a lot of people, tossing it into a pocket with their car keys is totally normal behavior XD Sep 19 21:16:38 Man. Sep 19 21:16:43 I put mine in a case. Sep 19 21:16:46 Then in the puch. Sep 19 21:16:49 pouch* Sep 19 21:16:55 Then make sure the screen faces my leg. Sep 19 21:17:01 In a pocket devoted to it. Sep 19 21:17:08 I think I'll be okay, then, eh? lol Sep 19 21:17:12 I keep mine in a little Built Hoodie pouch I got at Starbucks for 2.5$ :V Sep 19 21:17:23 holds my Pixi and chapstick Sep 19 21:17:46 Haha nice! Sep 19 21:18:01 I'm about to order an otter box one of these days. Sep 19 21:18:07 You know, like the tank-case? lol Sep 19 21:18:46 Yeah, those are nice cases Sep 19 21:18:56 Anyone know of a way to force your phone to do a secure erase while it's sitting at the "English"/first use screen? Sep 19 21:19:18 I can't even get to the USB partition at all to know if anything is still on there... but I suspect it is. Sep 19 21:19:56 I can apparently use Meta-doctor but I want to make sure I'm not missing something easier. Sep 19 21:21:22 why do you want to do it from there? shouldn't you already have done a secure erase before hand? Sep 19 21:21:28 what makes you suspect that data is still on there Sep 19 21:22:21 I don't have any way to know. I activated a new phone. I turned on the old one to get something off it at some point and it said "you're no loger signed into the profile" and did some sort of reset which brings it to the English/Spanish screen. Sep 19 21:22:41 So maybe what it did was a secure erase when it found it wasn't signed in anymore... Sep 19 21:22:49 But I don't know... and I want to be sure before it goes back. Sep 19 21:23:08 (unless someone can confirm that that's what it does to the phone when you get the Signed Out screen Sep 19 21:23:09 ) Sep 19 21:23:17 I'd probably just log back in on the other, do a full erase on it Sep 19 21:23:22 then just log back in on your new phone Sep 19 21:24:11 What worries me though is I've already restored everything the way I want it on the new phone, and from what I've seen, if you end up on the Signed Out screen, there's little option other than to let it blast your stuff. Sep 19 21:27:10 I don't know if you can mount it as a drive, but Sep 19 21:27:22 starting it while holding Volume up puts it into UBS mode Sep 19 21:27:24 might be worth a try Sep 19 21:27:52 Yeah, I'll give that a whack. Sep 19 21:43:10 does anyone still use their phone condom/sleepingbag thing Sep 19 21:43:17 i havent heard anyone mention them in forever Sep 19 21:43:30 I do Sep 19 21:43:43 it works and it was free Sep 19 21:44:07 i used to hold my license and a few credit cards a few times Sep 19 21:44:12 but my phone has never been in mine Sep 19 21:46:25 if my Pixi had actually come with one, yes :T Sep 19 21:46:34 seems that only the Pre does Sep 19 21:49:42 i stick my devpre in it when its on my desk not being used for deving Sep 19 21:50:16 but its too cumbersome to use it with my main pre Sep 19 22:13:16 And I return! Sep 19 22:13:27 Thanks SineOt, everything worked out just fine! Sep 19 22:13:28 how'd it work? Sep 19 22:13:35 Perfectly! Sep 19 22:13:38 yay :9 Sep 19 22:13:43 Thank you kindly(: Sep 19 22:13:49 you really should patch some more! there's a lot of cool things out there Sep 19 22:18:26 I finallly ended up using meta-doctor... Sep 19 22:18:30 And the data is still on there. Sep 19 22:18:34 So I'm glad I did. Sep 19 22:31:14 Well, I want to look into more patching as well as themes, but I was reading an update was coming out (1.4.5) and I was unsure if it was like the iPhone, where you must re-install everything, so I kinda just held out. Sep 19 22:31:24 I also have no idea of what patches are good and/or bad. Sep 19 22:31:30 I was looking into some themes, though. Sep 19 22:31:50 I'm not a fan of a lot of the themes, because well c_c; a lot aren't very good looking! Sep 19 22:32:05 themes can cause more problems than patches Sep 19 22:33:12 So would you guys recommend I say away from them, then? Sep 19 22:33:26 generally, yeah Sep 19 22:33:34 it's not much bonus for a lot of possible trouble Sep 19 22:33:40 All right, thanks. Because, personally, I agree. They don't look that nice. Sep 19 22:33:49 Much like iPhone themes -.- Sep 19 22:33:49 well its not like you could do some real damage with them Sep 19 22:34:15 Before I ask about patches, I have to ask something else. Sep 19 22:34:30 Have you guys synced music onto your phones? Sep 19 22:36:11 yup Sep 19 22:36:31 I used DoubleTwist, but now... I just do it manually with drag and drop from my iTunes library Sep 19 22:36:38 Because whenever I do, despite having all the correct information on the MP3 file, the genre always comes up as "Other." Sep 19 22:37:51 Odd! I can't say that I've ever browsed by genre though Sep 19 22:39:34 I'm a little bit OCD with music. Sep 19 22:39:42 Everything from the Tilte to the year is correct. Sep 19 22:39:47 So it drives me nuts! Sep 19 22:40:17 Some recognize, but others simply jsut do not. Sep 19 22:40:38 What are you using to set the ID3 tags? Sep 19 22:41:52 Pardon? xD Sep 19 22:42:20 'ID3'? Sep 19 22:43:42 That's what the tags are for MP3 files. :9 Sep 19 22:43:46 They're known as ID3 tags. Sep 19 22:44:12 So, you mean what do I use to edit the information on them? Sep 19 22:44:16 yes Sep 19 22:44:21 I'm sorry, I've never heard the term before. Sep 19 22:44:23 Okay. Sep 19 22:44:27 s'alright :3 Sep 19 22:44:35 I just Right Click -> Properties -> Details Sep 19 22:45:03 In Windows Explorer? Sep 19 22:46:09 Oh man, I feel really stupid now. And embarrassed because I hack so many other devices lol But what do you mean by WIndows Explorer? Sep 19 22:46:26 Like, I just right click the file from the directory I saved them too. Sep 19 22:48:36 x) Sep 19 22:48:47 Then you're probably doing them in Windows Explorer Sep 19 22:49:36 Then i suppose I am! Sep 19 22:50:15 I just don't see why the Pre can recognize everything, but not the genres Sep 19 22:58:35 Any advise? Sep 19 23:03:32 Dunno! Sorry :< Sep 19 23:04:51 Darn! Sep 19 23:04:58 Are your genre's working alright? Sep 19 23:06:14 Like I said, I don't tag for genres. I never use them. Sep 19 23:11:03 Ah, darn. I guess I'll just keep fiddling with it. THe update might have helped. Sep 19 23:11:45 Well ,thanks for all the help, again! Sep 19 23:11:56 I think Ill be heading on my way now. Sep 19 23:12:06 Cheers! Sep 19 23:43:12 jhojho: Thought I'd let you know, I think the voltages may still be a bit low as I'm now suffering from random luna restarts, which I never had before. Sep 19 23:45:00 Also, I see corruption in Preware, which wasn't there before either, mostly around the gaps between choices. Sep 19 23:45:10 * halfhalo blames oil Sep 19 23:45:33 * uNiXpSyChO blames oil as well Sep 19 23:45:48 I mean that corruption is present in Govnah. Sep 19 23:46:13 Eh voila! Sep 19 23:46:23 I uped the voltage by 2, and that fixed the corruption. Sep 19 23:46:30 Lets see by one. Sep 19 23:46:51 * uNiXpSyChO blames Govnah Sep 19 23:47:38 At 44 it's working fine, at 43 there is barely visible corruption, at 42 there is more corruption which fluxuates. Sep 19 23:49:51 Anyways, that's my report, take it as you will. Sep 19 23:50:14 Oh yeah, this is Screenstate 500/800 by the way. Sep 19 23:51:34 Zen00: all such reports are useful, as they bound the voltages for a range of devices Sep 19 23:51:53 Zen00: out of curiosity, does the corruption still exist at 500/1000? Sep 19 23:52:28 I'll give it a try. Sep 19 23:54:00 Hrm, it doesn't seem to even go up to 1000, it's stuck at 800. Sep 19 23:54:41 Which is strange, I could go to 1000 on the previous version. Sep 19 23:54:53 odd Sep 19 23:55:23 I'll try a restart and see what that does. Sep 19 23:56:03 warthog does not have 1000 Sep 19 23:57:48 Really? I thought it was part of the Uberkernel, which is the stable version of Warthog and therefore would include it. Sep 20 00:00:30 warthog has 1050 Sep 20 00:00:49 uberkernel is not strictly the stable version of warthog Sep 20 00:01:04 experiments from warthog and other experimental kernels feed into uberkernel Sep 20 00:01:12 ... In that case then, how do you access it? Sep 20 00:01:26 with govnah advanced setting Sep 20 00:02:58 So I'd type in there 105000 as the max freq? Sep 20 00:04:35 no, not manual settings, advanced settings. Sep 20 00:10:34 Yeah, in the advanced settings Frequency Selection section Sep 20 00:15:31 well looks who's back Sep 20 00:16:41 :P Sep 20 00:17:22 thats a 10 dollar readmittance fee, please Sep 20 00:18:27 heh Sep 20 00:18:32 he got a pass-out before he left Sep 20 00:18:56 they gave me a 2 day pass.... Sep 20 00:19:18 then get back in the cage! Sep 20 00:19:20 Well, I put 105000 in the Advanced Frequency selection, and it crashed, so... Sep 20 00:19:22 but they told me I had to be back to the asylum by 5pm. Sep 20 00:23:34 well that just means your phone is weak Sep 20 00:24:17 my phone runs at eighty gabillion hertz Sep 20 00:24:49 105000 doesnt exist... unless you want 105MHz Sep 20 00:25:21 lol Sep 20 00:25:57 Then what should I type in to get 1050Mhz? Sep 20 00:26:14 no, not manual settings, advanced settings. Sep 20 00:27:27 I open Govnah, click on Profile, Click Advanced Settings, Click CPU Frequency, Click on the Frequency Selection box for Scaling Max Freq. Sep 20 00:27:33 What do I type in there? Sep 20 00:28:14 look. don't turn on advanced in govnah prefs Sep 20 00:28:26 you don't need to type anything Sep 20 00:28:29 do you have "Manual Entry" turned on in preferences? Sep 20 00:28:36 Go into Preferences and turn off Manual Entry Sep 20 00:28:53 Yes I do, Sine0t Sep 20 00:28:53 we should put a password on manual entry Sep 20 00:28:59 then turn that off Sep 20 00:29:02 +1 Sep 20 00:29:06 govnah is smart enuff to give you the right speeds as long as you don't try to put speeds in there Sep 20 00:29:23 It's on by default, maybe you should switch that. Sep 20 00:29:33 it is not on by default Sep 20 00:29:35 why is manual entry even an option? Sep 20 00:29:38 rwhitby: actually if you turn it on, it should just delete your phone Sep 20 00:30:11 doitdoitdoitdoit Sep 20 00:30:17 e-e Sep 20 00:30:25 SineOt: cause sometimes uNiXpSyChO sneaks new stuff in that Govnah doesn't handle yet Sep 20 00:30:55 * uNiXpSyChO blames oil Sep 20 00:31:09 :/ Sep 20 00:31:12 * Tibfib blames oil as well Sep 20 00:31:16 * halfhalo blames oil as well Sep 20 00:31:22 As for the original question about corruption, no there is no corruption present at 1.05Ghz. Sep 20 00:31:30 great, now there is a whole train of them Sep 20 00:31:55 couldn't that get solved a ton easier with say, the kernel ipk installing a config file somewhere that lists the available speeds from that kernel and completely remove the need for govnah to stay updated to match speed points/need for manual entry of speeds? seems like it would remove a ton of headaches Sep 20 00:32:34 SineOt: govnah reads the speeds on the fly from the kernel Sep 20 00:32:52 SineOt: your assertion is based on a flawed assumption Sep 20 00:33:01 then how is it that Govnah can find speeds it "can't handle" Sep 20 00:33:10 I wasn't talking about speeds Sep 20 00:34:22 govnah always knows exactly what speeds the installed kernel supports, cause it asks the kernel first. Sep 20 00:34:41 so what you're saying is that... there's no reason for manual entry to allow entry for CPU frequencies? :s Sep 20 00:34:56 correct. manual entry is for other stuff Sep 20 00:35:01 it would be good for my AV8B kernel that i'm too lazy to finish. Sep 20 00:35:44 right, if you have a kernel with non-fixed speed quanta, then you also need manual entry for speeds then Sep 20 00:35:52 mm Sep 20 00:36:11 I wish it were as easy to clock my Pre as my computer, that I can change on the fly to whatever I want! Sep 20 00:36:13 manual entry has a not "for experienced users only". most people think they are experienced, but are wrong. Sep 20 00:36:21 s/not/note/ Sep 20 00:36:23 rwhitby meant: manual entry has a note "for experienced users only". most people think they are experienced, but are wrong. Sep 20 00:36:27 I'm just not a fan of the whole "actually if you turn it on, it should just delete your phone" mentality. Doesn't help anyone Sep 20 00:36:58 SineOt: sarcastic joking comments don't come across well in IRC Sep 20 00:37:14 I've seen it way too much from people being entirely seriously P: Sep 20 00:37:29 in WebOS Internals ? Sep 20 00:37:45 no, in other open source projects I've been involved with Sep 20 00:38:21 it's a function of the developer, not the license Sep 20 00:38:57 lol Sep 20 00:39:20 You know what I wish, I wish that someone would get around to porting Tyrian 2000 to webOS. Sep 20 00:39:22 okay, i've seen it way too much from developers in general then P: Sep 20 00:40:49 I should probably focus on my paper right now, oops~ Sep 20 00:46:25 cool on the dr.b update :) thx Sep 20 00:49:08 yeah, moving away from a java service is good for future compatibility Sep 20 00:54:37 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 20 02:59:57 2010