**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 23 02:59:58 2010 Sep 23 03:14:50 hemna: hi Sep 23 03:15:09 hemna: congrats on your win - will we see your app soon? Sep 23 03:15:17 hey Sep 23 03:15:19 thanks Sep 23 03:15:26 hemna: when you activate the new phone, it will cause the profile to be logged out on the old phone Sep 23 03:15:37 the apps I wrote for the HP contest were internal only...they wouldn't be of much use to non HP folks Sep 23 03:15:52 you can then use the WebOS Internals MetaDoctor to reflash the old phone so that it will work on wifi Sep 23 03:15:53 I'm sucking all of the images off of my old Pre Sep 23 03:16:12 ah ok thank you Sep 23 03:16:52 hemna: you can also use Save/Restore to move stuff like game saves etc across to the new device Sep 23 03:17:16 oh very nice Sep 23 03:17:27 should I create a new profile for the new phone? Sep 23 03:18:02 hemna: if you do things just right, you can end up with palm catalog access on both devices Sep 23 03:18:25 its easy to do it as well Sep 23 03:19:13 hemna: do you have both phones activated on cellular at the same time? Sep 23 03:19:35 nah, I just want the new phone for cell network Sep 23 03:19:41 the old one for wifi/bt Sep 23 03:19:44 camera, etc Sep 23 03:19:50 basically everything but cell Sep 23 03:19:58 but you want app catalog access on both? Sep 23 03:20:17 yah Sep 23 03:20:27 2 profiles? Sep 23 03:20:30 yep Sep 23 03:21:01 note that the old phone (which is going to be wifi only) has to be registered with the profile *before* you meta-doctor it Sep 23 03:21:18 then you just relogin to that profile after the phone is meta-doctored Sep 23 03:21:31 I haven't activated the new one yet Sep 23 03:21:39 so I should metadoctor the old one first? Sep 23 03:21:45 then nuke it Sep 23 03:21:49 is the old one still active? Sep 23 03:21:52 yes Sep 23 03:22:06 do you want your existing palm profile to be used for the new phone? Sep 23 03:22:08 it's still live...pulling picts off of it via usb now Sep 23 03:22:28 I don't think I need to Sep 23 03:22:35 haven't really bought any apps Sep 23 03:22:43 ok, then you can do it an any order Sep 23 03:23:02 just create a new profile for the new phone when you get it activated Sep 23 03:23:09 ok perfect Sep 23 03:23:14 and keep the existing profile for the old phone Sep 23 03:23:42 don't mix the two, and you should be able to metadoctor the old phone and use the old profile to access app catalog Sep 23 03:23:53 (over wifi) Sep 23 03:26:23 great thanks Sep 23 03:27:11 there is a palm tool for getting past the first-use screen for a dev phone, but that tool doesn't allow you to access the app catalog afterwards Sep 23 04:02:43 so, got my first review for Pressi Zola free... Sep 23 04:03:14 'I am the first one to poop on this app' Sep 23 04:03:18 one star... Sep 23 04:03:25 lol... Sep 23 04:03:43 :(:( Sep 23 04:03:47 if everyone could do me a huge favor, download it (the free edition) and give me an hones review Sep 23 04:03:56 s/hones/honest/ Sep 23 04:03:58 cryptk|wirc meant: if everyone could do me a huge favor, download it (the free edition) and give me an honest review Sep 23 04:04:12 http://bit.ly/pressizola-free Sep 23 04:04:43 not asking for 5 stars, just try it out, give it an honest review of whatever you feel it deserves Sep 23 04:05:10 then if you like it and want to donate, then go ahead and grab the paid version Sep 23 04:05:57 but being completely up front, there are NO CHANGES between the free and paid versions, it is purely if you want to donate to WebOS Internals Sep 23 04:06:26 (my plans so far are to donate the entire first payment from that game to WOSI) Sep 23 04:08:26 stick a single ad in the free versions main screen and donate all the proceeds from that to internals? Sep 23 04:09:25 hope this is the right place ... having some trouble getting webosquickinstall to work right Sep 23 04:13:44 trying to get it running in Linux, but I can't seem to install the Novatel .deb file ... GDebi crashes whenever I try to open the files Sep 23 04:14:31 KittyHeather, sorry...we don't do that one here :( Sep 23 04:14:44 KittyHeather: are you able to install the Palm SDK ? Sep 23 04:15:04 no clue ... if i can get pointed to directions? Sep 23 04:15:49 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1585&Itemid=55 Sep 23 04:15:56 thanks Sep 23 04:16:04 let me take a crack at it Sep 23 04:16:08 then you can use palm-install to install Preware from http://get.preware.org/ Sep 23 04:16:54 grab http://get.preware.org/org.webosinternals.preware_1.3.8_arm.ipk Sep 23 04:18:40 * KittyHeather blinks as she actually reads "Virtualbox? That's a bit of a surprise" Sep 23 04:18:52 you can skip steps 1 and 3 Sep 23 04:19:04 virtualbox is only needed if you want to run the emulator Sep 23 04:19:10 ahh Sep 23 04:19:31 may be good to have anyway, but i already have virtualbox on anyway Sep 23 04:19:59 KittyHeather: which distro & version? Sep 23 04:20:18 Linux Mint 9 Sep 23 04:21:20 it's an Ubuntu derivative ... hold on Sep 23 04:22:42 2.6.32-21 Sep 23 04:23:26 something is broken with my apt-get ... that may have to do with it ... Sep 23 04:24:17 guh ... brb Sep 23 04:24:27 silly question: is it possible just to install the ssh client from dropbear or openssh without installing the server? Sep 23 04:26:01 or from any package actually. I just don't want to install the server Sep 23 04:26:08 they're packaged together, but you can delete the upstart script which starts the server Sep 23 04:27:03 okay, thanks Sep 23 04:28:04 Since I'm turning off the server anyway, is there any benefit to openssh over dropbear? (dropbear benefit being it's a much smaller package) Sep 23 04:28:39 I don't think there is much difference for the clietn Sep 23 04:30:41 okeydoke. thanks! Sep 23 04:44:46 thanks Sep 23 05:01:39 okay here is where things get "interesting" Sep 23 05:02:21 I like the sound of that Sep 23 05:02:52 ah, rwhitby: It worked Sep 23 05:03:11 heatheriac, kewl! glad to hear it. Sep 23 05:03:19 my apt-get was corrupted, that's what took so long, but everything's clean and i think it just got installed Sep 23 05:31:13 morning Sep 23 05:37:19 Murnin Sep 23 06:46:58 neato! Sep 23 07:58:36 Hi, is http://www.webos-internals.org/ down or do only I have a problem? Sep 23 08:27:23 hape: yea it's down. Sep 23 08:28:14 "Error: The requested url could not be retrieved." Re: http://www.webos-internals.org/ Sep 23 08:28:38 * Gu1l7y_work pokes +rwhitby Sep 23 08:29:15 (111) Connection Refused Sep 23 08:29:26 * Gu1l7y_work slaps rwhitby around a bit with a large trout Sep 23 08:35:15 hape, Gu1l7y_work yeah the server's down for now sorry :) Sep 23 08:36:00 it was halfhalo and his meddling Sep 23 08:36:02 AGAIN Sep 23 08:36:03 >:O Sep 23 08:36:30 lol, jw. Making sure the right ppl knew about it at least... Sep 23 08:37:21 yeppers, no worries. ty :) Sep 23 14:09:36 Hey people, I haven't meddled yet at all. I was asleep. Now, if it goes dow n later the it is my fault! Sep 23 14:23:28 halfhalo: i was joking sorry :( Sep 23 14:28:05 * halfhalo knows Sep 23 14:33:18 grumble Sep 23 14:35:38 ka6sox: what's wrong? :( just grumpy about the server downtime? Sep 23 14:36:36 that and being kept up 3/4 of the night with work stuffs. Sep 23 14:37:05 I'm too old for this *stuff* Sep 23 15:07:39 * halfhalo blames oil and ka6sox for everything Sep 23 15:12:31 hah, work? thats a laugh :p Sep 23 15:40:10 Is the git.webos-internals.net server currently unavailable Sep 23 15:40:12 ? Sep 23 15:40:18 .org even Sep 23 15:40:37 its up for me... Sep 23 15:40:49 hmmm. interesting Sep 23 15:41:02 git.webos-internals.org[0: 140.211.169.177]: errno=Connection refused Sep 23 15:41:03 fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused) Sep 23 15:41:20 oh, yeah, was just looking at the web interface Sep 23 15:41:33 next problem to solve Sep 23 15:42:33 dumdidumm. Sep 23 15:43:58 ixs, are you looking @ gitweb or trying to use the git server? Sep 23 15:44:19 ka6sox-work: git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git is what I use Sep 23 15:45:34 ah..okay...let me look @ that Sep 23 16:04:41 infobot flare576 Sep 23 16:04:41 flare576 thinks he is a stupid user. I don't think he's that bad. Sep 23 16:04:49 infobot kboss Sep 23 16:05:17 infobot keyboss Sep 23 16:05:51 ~keybos Sep 23 16:05:54 ~keyboss Sep 23 16:05:59 still doesn't know Sep 23 16:06:16 ka6sox-work: works now. thx. Sep 23 16:06:36 ha ha ha....now I can laugh Sep 23 16:10:21 huh? Sep 23 16:10:25 I'm trying to figure out where to find the uinput (or user input?) module that Virtual Keyboard and KeyBoss talk about... Sep 23 16:11:38 flare576, its a kernel module in the kernels section Sep 23 16:11:53 ixs fixed one thing and broke another Sep 23 16:12:00 ka6sox-work: lol Sep 23 16:12:06 hah! the only feed I didn't look in! thanks :) Sep 23 16:12:34 thanks ka: Sep 23 16:13:44 hmm, autocomplete fail: thanks ka6sox-work! Sep 23 16:15:30 morning cryptk Sep 23 16:17:02 morning, I am off to work, be back in about an hour Sep 23 16:17:16 bringing the laptop with me and touching it woke it up which signed me in, lol Sep 23 16:17:34 but will be back soon (and I heard about the wiki problem, will fix that as soon as I get in to work) Sep 23 16:18:47 but I wil be on wirc during the drive for the backlog Sep 23 16:26:54 are we able to take picts from the shell w/ the camera yet (via gstreamer I presume) ? Sep 23 16:54:32 hemna: as far as a single easy command do do it I am not sure Sep 23 16:54:45 but I do know that you can access it via gstreamer though Sep 23 16:55:22 I tried doing it a year or so ago, but it wouldn't work. wrote a request to the palm folks and they forwarded the question to an engineer at the time and they said it wouldn't work. Sep 23 16:55:28 wasn't sure if that had been "fixed" Sep 23 16:56:22 zsoc would be the one to ask about it if you can catch him Sep 23 16:56:27 he knows how to access the camera Sep 23 16:57:42 ok thanks Sep 23 17:23:27 Preware isn't showing up in the WebOSQuickInstall Preware internals feed Sep 23 17:24:07 preware is from webosinternals, or? Sep 23 17:24:31 yah Sep 23 17:24:40 I'm looking at the webosinternals feed Sep 23 17:26:15 are you looking at all or armv7? Sep 23 17:26:28 all Sep 23 17:26:35 look at armv7 Sep 23 17:26:49 ok I see it in Pre feed Sep 23 17:26:51 gah Sep 23 17:26:53 thnx Sep 23 17:35:11 hello Sep 23 17:35:36 hello Sep 23 17:36:34 i just need some infos Sep 23 17:37:13 i cant update my preware flux, is that normal? Sep 23 17:37:16 no need to ask for permission to ask a question Sep 23 17:37:27 what do you mean update your preware flux? Sep 23 17:38:13 I know of preware Sep 23 17:38:17 don't know of a flux Sep 23 17:38:53 and preware will tell you when there are updates available for it, they will show in the package updates with everything else Sep 23 17:40:15 sorry but im french, i mean i get error when i try to update sources Sep 23 17:40:35 ahh, je parle un peu francais Sep 23 17:40:40 but very little Sep 23 17:40:47 I thought you might be when you said flux Sep 23 17:40:56 what is the error? Sep 23 17:42:16 the upsate is going ok until the loading of preware appli Sep 23 17:44:04 what version of preware are you running? Sep 23 17:44:10 and what is the exact error text Sep 23 17:44:18 do you understand what i mean or not? ;) Sep 23 17:44:22 yes I do Sep 23 17:44:38 if you feel you can explain it better en francais go for it Sep 23 17:44:44 I can robably read/understand what you are saying Sep 23 17:44:50 s/robably/probably/ Sep 23 17:44:51 cryptk|work meant: I can probably read/understand what you are saying Sep 23 17:45:19 i installed last version but after those error i tried to install 1.1 version Sep 23 17:45:51 it makes me work my english ;) Sep 23 17:46:31 i'll try to run update to see error number Sep 23 17:48:06 sorry, I lost my internet for a second Sep 23 17:49:00 ok, let me know once you get the error text Sep 23 17:49:10 also, make sure your phone has a good internet connection Sep 23 17:50:14 ok im writing error. it can makes time, im using my phone Sep 23 17:52:33 no response from server, an error occured collected errors ERROR command failed with reurn value 1 'wget --passive-ftp -q -P/tmp/ipkg-vn9Mj7 ... Sep 23 17:53:53 to chime in with something similar... the curl download of FileMgr seems to fail with 404... Sep 23 17:54:18 cause ive not Internet) but it doesnt work with 3G phone connection Sep 23 17:55:46 oh, thats due to a bad precentral feed Sep 23 17:56:40 so i beleive they are working on it and its not personnal error? Sep 23 17:56:51 yeah, its nothing you did Sep 23 17:57:08 yeah Sep 23 17:57:18 that just means that it cannot access one of the feeds that you have enabled Sep 23 17:57:42 everything else will work fine except you won't have access to the data in that particular feed Sep 23 17:58:06 ok i just have to be patient and try again tomorrow Sep 23 17:58:29 yeah, everything else in preware will work fine though Sep 23 17:59:30 Pressi 1.6.4 has been submitted Sep 23 17:59:31 ok thanks for your answer Sep 23 17:59:45 hey halfhalo did you write me a review for Pressi Zola FREE yet? Sep 23 17:59:56 weird... its only certain packages in the precentral feed Sep 23 17:59:59 if not, go download it and write me a review! Sep 23 18:00:08 http://bit.ly/pressizola-free Sep 23 18:00:09 In class, will after Sep 23 18:00:15 bah Sep 23 18:00:19 class is for lusers Sep 23 18:00:26 look at me, no college degree here and I am fine Sep 23 18:00:28 halfhalo, I saw something about that in the logs.... Sep 23 18:00:34 (6 yrs military experience helps though) Sep 23 18:01:11 good evening everybody, bye Sep 23 18:01:31 au revoir zoby Sep 23 18:05:33 hi cryptk|work, only what to say thanks for your comment some day's ago to look if you can create a Begammon for WebOS. Sep 23 18:05:50 you was offline when I saw it some hours later Sep 23 18:07:04 hape: which comment? Sep 23 18:07:19 ahh, that's right, you wanted backgammon! Sep 23 18:07:22 lemme see what I can find Sep 23 18:07:51 yes, still did not find anything. The only exisitng one is for the US and Sep 23 18:09:04 I did find one Sep 23 18:09:11 called tavli3d Sep 23 18:09:18 but it has some bugs Sep 23 18:09:23 The UI is bad and the computer player too Sep 23 18:09:32 I can compile it on my local machine, but it errors out when I run it Sep 23 18:09:38 lemme see if I can fix it and then port it Sep 23 18:10:48 wow that yould be fats. I also tries to complile it and faild. But I have no SDL skills. Sep 23 18:11:15 did you run the configure script first? Sep 23 18:11:19 ./configure Sep 23 18:11:25 and make sure you have all of the dependencies Sep 23 18:11:36 the configure script should yell at you if you are missing something Sep 23 18:11:39 Don't know anymore. It was month ago Sep 23 18:12:31 hello!!!!!!! Sep 23 18:12:33 I need help Sep 23 18:12:54 please state the nature of your emergency? Sep 23 18:12:55 How do I delete a theme from my palm pre plus....it won't show on preware anywhere. but it's still on Sep 23 18:13:18 just bits and pieces of it, anyway. Sep 23 18:13:30 the rest is default Sep 23 18:13:45 did you have it installed during an OTA? Sep 23 18:13:51 what's OTA? Sep 23 18:13:56 an update Sep 23 18:13:59 Over The Air Sep 23 18:14:12 Well, it was installed before the update 1.4.5 Sep 23 18:14:12 did you install the latest update with the theme installed? Sep 23 18:14:21 and then 1.4.5 screwed it up. :( Sep 23 18:14:23 did you remove it before the update though? Sep 23 18:14:30 you are supposed to remove themes before updates Sep 23 18:14:31 no. :( Sep 23 18:14:38 oh, damn it, now what do I do?! Sep 23 18:14:47 can I remove the update?! Sep 23 18:14:49 ok, we don't have a utility to fix that, but canuck software dows Sep 23 18:14:51 does Sep 23 18:14:53 lemme find it Sep 23 18:15:15 this is a PITA to fix, but here is how to do it Sep 23 18:15:22 you know how to update your saved packages list? Sep 23 18:15:38 cryptk|work: Would be grate if you get it fixed. I epect a Backgammon would get a lot of downlaod as there are many people that loves this game. Sep 23 18:15:50 update my saved packages list? Sep 23 18:15:57 hape: it works great if I compile it without sound support Sep 23 18:16:01 Pikula: yes, in preware Sep 23 18:16:14 launch preware, enable ALL feeds and then update feeds Sep 23 18:16:16 I already updated them Sep 23 18:16:17 let me know when you get there Sep 23 18:16:30 ok, go into the app menu in preware Sep 23 18:16:36 tap on saved packages list Sep 23 18:16:41 then tap on the update button Sep 23 18:16:52 ok hang on Sep 23 18:17:36 how do I enable all feeds? Sep 23 18:17:44 app menu, manage feeds Sep 23 18:17:54 then set all of the switches to on Sep 23 18:18:25 turn them all on? Sep 23 18:18:52 thanks dude Sep 23 18:19:18 yes Sep 23 18:19:20 turn them all on Sep 23 18:19:24 then back gesture Sep 23 18:19:31 then, app menu, update feeds Sep 23 18:19:56 after that finishes (will take a while with the big feeds enabled) go to app menu > Saved Packages List Sep 23 18:20:01 tapp on update Sep 23 18:20:29 you said preware does not show your theme as installed anymore right? Sep 23 18:20:48 right, it used to Sep 23 18:21:40 ok, as long as it doesn't show it as installed anymore this should work Sep 23 18:21:55 let me know when you get the feeds updated, and the saved package list updated Sep 23 18:22:10 ok, it said wrote saved package list Sep 23 18:22:15 ok, awesome Sep 23 18:22:24 scroll through the list and make double sure the theme is not listed in it Sep 23 18:22:50 the theme is not listed Sep 23 18:23:42 ok good Sep 23 18:23:45 now run EPR Sep 23 18:23:52 how? Sep 23 18:23:58 after we fix the theme, we will use the saved packages list to bring back all your patches Sep 23 18:24:20 what's EPR? Sep 23 18:24:21 at the preware main screen type in emergency Sep 23 18:24:23 and press enter Sep 23 18:24:37 then find the emergency patch recovery Sep 23 18:24:39 install that Sep 23 18:25:02 emergency patch recoverY?ok Sep 23 18:25:02 while that is running, grab Jason's WebOS repair utility, lemme get you a link Sep 23 18:25:19 http://filebin.ca/soqkt/WebOSRepairUtility.jar Sep 23 18:26:08 ok, got it Sep 23 18:26:14 put a copy of the latest webosdoctor in the same folder as that jar file Sep 23 18:26:19 what kind of phone do you have? Sep 23 18:26:40 sprint? VZW? Pre? Pixi? Sep 23 18:26:46 Verizon Sep 23 18:26:53 Pre Sep 23 18:27:01 Pre Plus, I meant Sep 23 18:27:39 webosdoctor? Sep 23 18:27:49 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/preplus/p145r0d09132010/ver1z0np145rod/webosdoctorp101ewwverizonwireless.jar Sep 23 18:28:00 download that and put it in the same folder as that repair utility Sep 23 18:28:05 do not run that second jar file Sep 23 18:28:16 that is the software that is used to bring your phone back to bone stock like you just bought it Sep 23 18:28:24 (which we do NOT want to do) Sep 23 18:28:37 just put it in the same folder as the RepairUtility Sep 23 18:28:44 kk Sep 23 18:29:30 ok, it's done with the emergency recovery, but I still see bits and pieces of my theme. :/ Sep 23 18:29:36 I know Sep 23 18:29:37 you will Sep 23 18:29:46 the repair utility is going to get rid of those Sep 23 18:29:53 oh good :D Sep 23 18:30:07 let me know when you get the doctor downloaded and in the same folder as the repair utility Sep 23 18:30:14 webosdoctor is taking a long time Sep 23 18:31:06 yes, it is big Sep 23 18:31:24 it holds all of the software that comes on a VZW pre plus in there Sep 23 18:31:43 oh nice! :o Sep 23 18:32:05 that doctor is one of the reasons that it is impossible to 'brick' a pre/pixi Sep 23 18:32:20 the doctor is about 200MB btw Sep 23 18:32:41 oh wowser Sep 23 18:38:10 ok, they're in the same folder Sep 23 18:38:32 now what do I do? Sep 23 18:38:33 awesome Sep 23 18:38:37 run the repair utility Sep 23 18:38:53 the first time it will probably give a message about the doctor being found and configured and to re-run it Sep 23 18:38:59 if it does, just click OK, then re-run it Sep 23 18:39:06 is your pre in developer mode? Sep 23 18:40:20 make sure your pre is in dev mode Sep 23 18:40:24 and connected via USB Sep 23 18:40:40 then run the repair utility and in the options menu, check the option for override compatibility Sep 23 18:41:07 yes, it's in dev mode Sep 23 18:41:30 it says for some reason it's not connected. and when I put in the USB, it didn't ask me to "JUST charge" like it always does :( Sep 23 18:42:25 restart your pre Sep 23 18:42:29 then plug it in Sep 23 18:42:40 I'm gonna restart it. :P Sep 23 18:45:18 and (only saying it because I have done it) make sure the other end of the USB is connected to the computer Sep 23 18:45:41 I have knocked mine out a few times and spent much longer than I should have troubleshooting before I noticed I knocked the computer end out Sep 23 18:45:43 lol Sep 23 18:48:10 it is not detecting usb :( Sep 23 18:48:14 it's not working. Sep 23 18:49:34 hrm... Sep 23 18:49:44 and the device doesn't say it is charging either? Sep 23 18:50:26 will it pick up as charging if you plug it into the wall? Sep 23 18:50:28 it says it's charging. Sep 23 18:50:34 ok, good Sep 23 18:50:35 but it doesn't pop up and say "just charge"? Sep 23 18:50:42 so plugged into the computer it does say charging Sep 23 18:51:03 but the repair utility says it's not connected Sep 23 18:51:07 ok Sep 23 18:51:48 you have novacom installed? Sep 23 18:52:15 no Sep 23 18:52:28 I don't think so Sep 23 18:52:37 hrm, but that probably isn't it though Sep 23 18:52:41 I have filecoaster installed Sep 23 18:52:47 filecoaster is on the device Sep 23 18:52:52 I am talking about stuff on your PC Sep 23 18:52:58 oh! Sep 23 18:53:11 No, I don't have novacom on my computer. let double check Sep 23 18:53:33 yes, I have novacomd on my computer Sep 23 18:53:37 should I delete it? Sep 23 18:54:02 no Sep 23 18:54:05 you need that Sep 23 18:54:10 ok Sep 23 18:54:12 try a different port on your computer Sep 23 18:54:20 do you have the pre plugged into a hub or anything? Sep 23 18:54:22 I did already. :( I tried all of 'em Sep 23 18:54:27 no Sep 23 18:54:28 weird... Sep 23 18:54:31 reboot your PC Sep 23 18:54:32 no hub, directly to my computer Sep 23 18:54:36 ok, hang on Sep 23 18:54:46 I have seen windows PC's refuse to pick it up sometimes, reboot usually fixes it Sep 23 18:55:14 your a pc Sep 23 18:55:34 nour Sep 23 18:55:53 ur a towel Sep 23 18:55:59 NOUR! Sep 23 18:56:18 NOUR Sep 23 18:57:05 \/win Sep 23 19:01:56 it works!! Sep 23 19:02:03 now i can start the repair utility, hang on Sep 23 19:02:11 PRAISE THE LAWD! Sep 23 19:02:52 do I load the webosdoctor? Sep 23 19:03:02 cryptk|work? Sep 23 19:03:08 ok Sep 23 19:03:15 sorry, was in a different tab Sep 23 19:03:21 do not run the webos-doctor Sep 23 19:03:28 so cancel? Sep 23 19:03:34 but when the repair utility asks for which one to use Sep 23 19:03:35 lawdylawdylawdy Sep 23 19:03:36 do select it Sep 23 19:03:42 just don't run the doctor on it's own Sep 23 19:03:48 only through repair utility Sep 23 19:03:56