**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 01 02:59:57 2010
Oct 01 04:49:43 * scoutcamper notices VBA is now #3 in paid apps with 2 hrs left
Oct 01 04:50:47 * scoutcamper thinks angry birds should donate 1/2 of their money to @webosinternals
Oct 01 04:51:05 <chrisA> Why would that be?
Oct 01 04:51:31 <scoutcamper> because their employees with pre's i would bet a least 1 of them has preware
Oct 01 04:51:39 <scoutcamper> and beccause they are generous :D
Oct 01 04:51:49 <chrisA> Your words do not make any sense
Oct 01 04:52:21 <scoutcamper> yes, im typing stangely, i bet atleast one of their employees has preware
Oct 01 05:34:30 <cryptk|wirc> scoutcamper: by that same logic you would be required to donate half your paycheck...
Oct 01 05:34:56 * scoutcamper is a student paychecks are foreign to him
Oct 01 05:35:20 * cryptk|wirc thinks scoutcamper knows all about loans
Oct 01 05:35:35 <scoutcamper> why?
Oct 01 05:35:45 <cryptk|wirc> student loans
Oct 01 05:35:52 <scoutcamper> im not in college yet, high school senior
Oct 01 05:36:10 <scoutcamper> with to much time on his hands
Oct 01 05:36:17 <cryptk|wirc> preware is free, and while it would be amazing for rovio to donate, we do not expect it, lol
Oct 01 05:38:20 <scoutcamper> aggreed, i was bringin up a point, not demanding lol
Oct 01 05:38:30 <cryptk|wirc> hell, I am having a hard time getting people to donate 99 cents by buying my game, much less the 50K that would be half of rovios winnings, lol
Oct 01 05:38:51 <scoutcamper> what is your game?
Oct 01 05:39:35 <cryptk|wirc> pressi zola
Oct 01 05:39:44 <cryptk|wirc> there is a free one also
Oct 01 05:40:07 <cryptk|wirc> the free one is the exact same as the paid, so it truly is a 'donation'
Oct 01 05:40:56 * scoutcamper will try free, the consider"donating"
Oct 01 05:41:05 <scoutcamper> i hadnt seen game, looks cool
Oct 01 05:41:40 <cryptk|wirc> it is a port that I did
Oct 01 05:42:30 <scoutcamper> k, looks very cool
Oct 01 05:43:11 <cryptk|wirc> I added all of the sound (it originally had none), plays music from your phone (if you have any mp3's on it), added the scoreboard, reworked the main menu to make it easier on the touchscreen, added the options screen, fixed some bugs and memory leaks...
Oct 01 05:43:32 <scoutcamper> cool
Oct 01 05:43:38 <scoutcamper> working on dl'ing now
Oct 01 05:44:10 <cryptk|wirc> it is open source also, the source code is in our git repo... the parts I did are the parts in english, lol
Oct 01 05:44:29 <scoutcamper> lol
Oct 01 05:44:32 <cryptk|wirc> porting it required someone who is bi-lingual, the original source is in french
Oct 01 05:44:53 <scoutcamper> no google translate?
Oct 01 05:45:17 <cryptk|wirc> yeah, but that takes too long to copy and paste all the time
Oct 01 05:45:22 <scoutcamper> true
Oct 01 05:45:35 <cryptk|wirc> but I can read it fine (and speak it) so it's all good
Oct 01 05:45:51 <cryptk|wirc> mon francais et bien
Oct 01 05:46:46 <cryptk|wirc> btw, I am looking for cool ideas to do with the wosi wiki, if you have any ideas, let me know
Oct 01 05:48:18 * scoutcamper is off to unconsiousville
Oct 01 05:48:24 <scoutcamper> cya all l8r
Oct 01 12:56:51 <RMind> good morning, IRC
Oct 01 13:09:39 <idontwan2know> morning
Oct 01 14:26:44 <jhowirc> the webos browser should let me rearrange bookmarks just by moving the icons around
Oct 01 14:27:29 <jhowirc> similarly it should allow for swipe left/right for more bookmarks...
Oct 01 15:19:27 <Tibfib> Is there a handleLaunch method for adding feeds to preware?
Oct 01 15:19:35 <Tibfib> @ oil, rwhitby
Oct 01 15:45:13 <JesusMcCloud-lt> aloha! i am from austria and my provider is telering. i just doctored my devce to 1.4.5 using some of the meta-doctor voodoo. unfortunatel i dont have working CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 for 1.4.5 and telering does anyone have ine for me?
Oct 01 15:58:02 <idontwan2know> I highly doubt it, but you never know
Oct 01 16:05:48 <JesusMcCloud-lt> if there is at least someone here who understands how the above mentioned database works i could post my insert commands (one out of 3 fails)
Oct 01 16:26:16 <cryptk> for everyone that has had WIDK issues, I am going through it now to verify and fix anything that doesn't build clean
Oct 01 16:26:35 <cryptk> once I am done it should be all good to go to build clean from scratch on a fully updated Ubuntu 10.04
Oct 01 16:38:32 <jhowirc> make it work on 8.4 too :)
Oct 01 16:54:26 <cryptk> jhowirc, give me a good reason to set up an 8.4 install and I might
Oct 01 16:55:03 <jhowirc> it's LTS
Oct 01 16:56:38 <cryptk> LTS applies to canocial and the Ubuntu Foundation, not WebOS Internals, lol
Oct 01 16:59:02 <Amaranth> jhowirc: 10.04 is LTS too
Oct 01 16:59:25 <Amaranth> And for a desktop now is the time to be upgrading away from 8.04, it only has 6 months of desktop support left
Oct 01 17:00:17 <cryptk> indeed
Oct 01 17:00:24 <cryptk> you don't want to wait until the last minute
Oct 01 17:00:51 <cryptk> I am also adding a table to the wiki page for it where people can report if they were able to get it to build clean, along with what Distro they have and what version of it
Oct 01 17:01:04 <Amaranth> I can test 10.10
Oct 01 17:01:19 <Amaranth> Or an early 11.04 daily if you take long enough :)
Oct 01 17:02:09 <cryptk> well, the table is already on the wiki
Oct 01 17:02:25 <cryptk> but I would recommend waiting until I get done making sure it works on 10.04 first, lol
Oct 01 17:02:30 <cryptk> should be sometime later today
Oct 01 17:03:56 <Amaranth> I'll be on the road all day today, will have to test 10.10 tomorrow
Oct 01 17:05:36 <cryptk> sounds good, I should have any 10.04 bugs ironed out by then
Oct 01 17:08:18 <cryptk> this is going to take forever... because I am testing it I am only running one thread of make...
Oct 01 17:08:31 <cryptk> and then on top of that I am doing it on my 'mobile linux'
Oct 01 17:08:47 <cryptk> so it is on a 16GB compact flash card... slower disk access speeds than a normal HD
Oct 01 17:08:51 <halfhalo> lol?
Oct 01 17:08:53 <halfhalo> heh
Oct 01 17:09:27 <halfhalo> I threw wubi on my desktop yesterday
Oct 01 17:09:28 <cryptk> I like to be able to bring my dev environment around with me
Oct 01 17:09:37 <cryptk> I don't do Wubi... I just dual boot
Oct 01 17:09:38 <halfhalo> Thats what laptops are for
Oct 01 17:09:44 <cryptk> and this laptop is company owned
Oct 01 17:09:48 <cryptk> I can't change the OS
Oct 01 17:09:56 <halfhalo> For some reason all my computers have... issues with linux
Oct 01 17:09:57 <cryptk> but this is a nice workaround that they are OK with
Oct 01 17:10:20 <cryptk> up until yesterday this compact flash had Linux Mint 7 on it, lol
Oct 01 17:10:25 <cryptk> now it has Ubuntu 10.04
Oct 01 17:10:35 <halfhalo> heh
Oct 01 17:11:04 <Robi_> why not virtualize?
Oct 01 17:11:20 <cryptk> I use this compact flash for alot of things, rescuing peoples data off computers with borked OS's and such
Oct 01 17:11:23 <halfhalo> Why compact flash vs sd (usually slower but much cheaper for more space) or expresscard (much faster)
Oct 01 17:11:29 <cryptk> I do have a virtual 10.04 on the windows partition
Oct 01 17:11:54 <cryptk> because I already had a compact flash laying around when I made it
Oct 01 17:11:58 <cryptk> I want to move to eSATA
Oct 01 17:12:06 <cryptk> get a 250GB eSATA drive
Oct 01 17:12:14 <cryptk> then you get actual SATA speeds
Oct 01 17:12:29 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 01 17:12:46 <halfhalo> 40GB intel ssd+esata enclosure=win
Oct 01 17:13:17 <cryptk> I want a nice big one
Oct 01 17:13:28 <cryptk> I want to use it as both an OS and mobile storage
Oct 01 17:13:47 <halfhalo> Then get a 128 Corsair
Oct 01 17:15:03 <halfhalo> The thing about ssd's is that upgrading from an already decent hd will not net you a huge immediate performance boost
Oct 01 17:15:14 <halfhalo> But you do notice that everything is just.... faster
Oct 01 17:15:19 <halfhalo> and it adds up
Oct 01 17:51:43 <cryptk> ok, just hit a WIDK fail... time to get to fixing
Oct 01 18:18:14 <Amaranth> cryptk: Was it libfuse LT_INIT?
Oct 01 18:19:23 <cryptk> no
Oct 01 18:19:25 <cryptk> ecore
Oct 01 18:19:33 <cryptk> but I am sure there are others
Oct 01 18:19:37 <cryptk> still working on ecore though
Oct 01 18:25:56 <swisstomcat> evening
Oct 01 18:46:06 <macman_> hola
Oct 01 18:46:16 <macman_> dumb question but.. they got webos rom or something for andorid
Oct 01 18:46:16 <macman_> lol
Oct 01 18:46:20 <macman_> something i can use in the meantime
Oct 01 18:46:25 <chrisA> You're right, that is a dumb question
Oct 01 18:46:51 <macman_> chrisA, not really .. they have a lot of stuff out there emulating other iphones / phones / roms themes
Oct 01 18:46:58 <macman_> they have iphone stuff for andorid
Oct 01 18:47:02 <macman_> so it isn't a dumb question
Oct 01 18:47:42 <chrisA> So you said it was a dumb question and someone agreed with you so you argued vehemently against it
Oct 01 18:47:48 <chrisA> Nothing about that makes sense
Oct 01 18:47:48 <macman_> aw ok
Oct 01 18:48:14 <chrisA> Anyways, there are no skins, roms, whatever. Unless you use palmOS (or did he get sued into oblivion?)
Oct 01 18:48:26 <macman_> yea
Oct 01 18:48:32 <macman_> i saw that takedown from palm to that 1 guy
Oct 01 18:48:37 <macman_> aw its fine .. i got the emulator
Oct 01 18:48:45 <macman_> but yet i have many kids running around so i can only use it at work
Oct 01 18:49:16 <halfhalo> Why not just buy one of ebay...
Oct 01 18:49:28 <macman_> wife and money don't go hand in hand
Oct 01 18:49:37 <macman_> im upgrade eligble from ATT in january
Oct 01 18:49:39 <macman_> i will have to wait
Oct 01 18:53:15 <cryptk> ecore fixed
Oct 01 18:53:25 <cryptk> turns out it was a problem with one of it's dependencies
Oct 01 18:53:27 <cryptk> gnutls
Oct 01 19:01:51 <cryptk> and another similar problem...
Oct 01 19:03:25 * halfhalo blames oil
Oct 01 19:05:21 <macman_> blame canada!
Oct 01 19:34:21 <macman_> so yea
Oct 01 19:34:36 <macman_> like i said iw as going to get a palm .. i love android just started using them but this palm rocks
Oct 01 19:34:43 <macman_> i did a comparisen of the pixe and palm pre plus
Oct 01 19:34:47 <macman_> palm pre plus wins
Oct 01 19:34:49 <macman_> anyone agree ?
Oct 01 19:35:18 <summatusmentis> I think almost every pre user would agree
Oct 01 19:35:41 <macman_> looks nice
Oct 01 19:36:18 <macman_> but the resolution / space or whatever dosen't match palm pre
Oct 01 19:37:21 <summatusmentis> the resolution is pretty close, actually. The screen size is quite a bit smaller
Oct 01 19:37:36 <macman_> yea
Oct 01 19:37:38 <macman_> but its ugly
Oct 01 19:38:30 <summatusmentis> personally? I could totally see myself using a pixi
Oct 01 19:38:36 <summatusmentis> I really like that form-factor
Oct 01 19:39:15 <swisstomcat> yeah, it's got a nice build quality and form factor (and keyboard)
Oct 01 19:39:16 <macman_> yea
Oct 01 19:39:18 <macman_> no wifi though
Oct 01 19:39:20 <swisstomcat> a bit too small for my taste
Oct 01 19:39:23 <swisstomcat> pixi plus has wifi
Oct 01 19:39:27 <macman_> hmm
Oct 01 19:39:39 <macman_> im must have been looking at an old pixi
Oct 01 19:40:40 <chrisA>  pixi on sprint lacks it unless you swap a comm board
Oct 01 19:41:06 <summatusmentis> which, based on what I've read, isn't that hard to do
Oct 01 19:41:21 <halfhalo> Its easy on the pre at least
Oct 01 19:41:46 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: it's easier on the pixi, I think (ESN is tied to the mobo)
Oct 01 19:44:18 <macman_> i have fat fingers
Oct 01 19:44:24 <macman_> am i going to be disappointed ?
Oct 01 19:45:53 <summatusmentis> I have fat thumbs, and had no difficulty typing on a centro keyboard
Oct 01 19:45:59 <summatusmentis> I don't have a current WebOS device
Oct 01 19:46:00 <macman_> heh
Oct 01 19:46:07 <macman_> yea im talking about palm pre
Oct 01 19:46:50 <summatusmentis> from what I can tell, the pre has a more spread out keyboard than the centro
Oct 01 19:46:51 <oil> Tibfib: no
Oct 01 19:47:03 <summatusmentis> but also, the keyboard is "flatter" or soemthing
Oct 01 19:47:08 <swisstomcat> the pixi actually has a better keyboard
Oct 01 19:47:15 <oil> that doesn't mean one couldn't be added though
Oct 01 19:47:50 <macman_> yea
Oct 01 19:47:52 <summatusmentis> I really need a working device
Oct 01 19:47:56 <macman_> i heard about virtual keyboard but has no spell check
Oct 01 19:48:05 <macman_> summatusmentis, what happend to your phone
Oct 01 19:48:22 <summatusmentis> macman_: I've been on SERO, so I haven't been able to get any WebOS device
Oct 01 19:48:43 <summatusmentis> I just bought a non-functioning pre on ebay, with the intent of swapping out the coms board into a pre plus
Oct 01 19:48:56 <summatusmentis> but "poor college student" is making that plan harder
Oct 01 19:49:11 <macman_> crazy
Oct 01 19:49:24 <macman_> i don't know .. i like referbs but
Oct 01 19:49:31 <macman_> on att site there is a palm pre plus referb or a new one
Oct 01 19:50:32 <summatusmentis> how much is the refurb?
Oct 01 19:50:43 <macman_> one sec
Oct 01 19:51:13 <macman_> $49.99
Oct 01 19:51:14 <macman_> :P
Oct 01 19:51:25 <summatusmentis> wait, with a plan?
Oct 01 19:52:26 <macman_> yes im on contract already
Oct 01 19:52:31 <macman_> im upgrade eligble in jan
Oct 01 19:52:40 <summatusmentis> oh, I was just wondering about the refurb phone without a plan
Oct 01 19:52:44 <macman_> oh
Oct 01 19:52:44 <macman_> $299.99
Oct 01 19:53:03 <summatusmentis> oof
Oct 01 19:53:42 <macman_> i purchased a referb mac like 5 years ago
Oct 01 19:53:51 <macman_> 1 gig ram dual core
Oct 01 19:54:02 <macman_> somebody got it mixed up
Oct 01 19:54:16 <macman_> i got  it with 2 gigs ram core 2 duo and a superdrive
Oct 01 19:54:17 <macman_> lol
Oct 01 19:54:22 <macman_> i didn't complain
Oct 01 19:55:49 <macman_> can you overlock pre and also is there some battery apps or whatever to save the battery life ?
Oct 01 19:55:54 <macman_> i heard battery life sucks
Oct 01 19:56:25 <en0x> like in any smartphone lol
Oct 01 19:56:49 <macman_> yea but a rooted android with some hacks or stuff i can strech it to like 13h
Oct 01 19:56:56 <macman_> acustom to a non rooted i get like 3 hours or 2
Oct 01 19:57:46 <halfhalo> I last through the day, and half the time my phone has no service
Oct 01 19:59:23 <summatusmentis> macman_: I'm looking to buy a cheap pre/pixi to hold me over until the new WebOS device comes out :)
Oct 01 20:07:45 <Robi_> ooh
Oct 01 20:07:51 <Robi_> http://virtualization.info/en/news/2010/09/red-hat-spice-protocol-reaches-version-0-6-0.html
Oct 01 20:08:01 <Robi_> ARM7 support
Oct 01 20:18:19 <MetaView> where is the list of installed patches stored?
Oct 01 20:21:03 <macman_> so its
Oct 01 20:21:07 <macman_> palm elan ?
Oct 01 20:30:06 <macman_> summatusmentis, ?
Oct 01 20:31:09 <macman_> what does palm normally release products ?\
Oct 01 20:32:05 <swisstomcat> what or when?
Oct 01 20:32:11 <macman_> yea
Oct 01 20:32:29 <macman_> im one of the people that if i have the itch and i see it there i grab it
Oct 01 20:32:32 <macman_> ASAP
Oct 01 20:32:43 <macman_> if the palm elan isn't out by jan i will get palm pre
Oct 01 20:32:47 <macman_> or i can wait till Feb
Oct 01 20:32:48 <macman_> :P
Oct 01 20:53:15 <cryptk> macman_, the palm pre is designed to be a step above the pixi
Oct 01 20:53:22 <cryptk> so your findings are totally correct
Oct 01 20:56:10 <macman_> cool
Oct 01 20:56:11 <macman_> question
Oct 01 20:56:17 <macman_> im trying to get vritual keyboard on emaulator
Oct 01 20:56:19 <macman_> i installed it
Oct 01 20:56:26 <macman_> i don't know gesture area on emualtor
Oct 01 21:03:29 <Zach_> Helo
Oct 01 21:03:31 <Zach_> Hello
Oct 01 21:03:50 <swisstomcat> hello
Oct 01 21:04:56 <Zach___> sorry, internet screwed up
Oct 01 21:05:02 <Zach___> if you answered, could you repost one more time
Oct 01 21:07:25 <Zach___> I'm having a problem starting WebOS Internals Apps. When I press on the icon, it just glows. I have WebOSDoctored the phone, and the problem persists.
Oct 01 21:08:25 <Zach___> exit
Oct 01 21:08:27 <Zach___> lol
Oct 01 23:13:00 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: has the error you saw before come back? :)
Oct 01 23:13:15 <ryan[WIN]> nnay
Oct 01 23:14:04 <ryan[WIN]> so that's good i suppose
Oct 01 23:15:46 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: kinda :).
Oct 01 23:15:57 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: mostly, but just following up.
Oct 01 23:16:06 <ryan[WIN]> it's like an engine knock in your car that goes away
Oct 01 23:16:10 <dtzWill> also some other user is having an issue where /just/ m apps refuse to start up
Oct 01 23:16:11 <ryan[WIN]> then a year later pow kabloomers
Oct 01 23:16:16 <dtzWill> x.x
Oct 01 23:16:19 <dtzWill> *my apps
Oct 01 23:16:31 <ryan[WIN]> has he hard restarted his phone
Oct 01 23:16:35 <ryan[WIN]> turned it off then turned it on again lool
Oct 01 23:16:49 <dtzWill> and... i don't know why. and when he ran via terminal they worked, but i'm not if he means it works when terminal, or if that fixed it good
Oct 01 23:17:00 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: yeah, he did that, reinstalled the apps, and doctored.. all before conacting me about it.
Oct 01 23:17:11 <ryan[WIN]> hrm
Oct 01 23:17:17 <ryan[WIN]> do you have proof of this :D
Oct 01 23:17:39 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: i have no proof, but he told me in email when descrbiing his problem.
Oct 01 23:17:58 <ryan[WIN]> i see
Oct 01 23:18:00 <dtzWill> the original one.
Oct 01 23:18:13 <dtzWill> doesn't seem particularly likely to make up, shrug. anyway i have no idea why it would refuse to start :(
Oct 01 23:18:21 <ryan[WIN]> i dunno i had an issue but it was fixed when we nuked it
Oct 01 23:18:23 <dtzWill> makes me feel so worthless haha
Oct 01 23:18:24 <ryan[WIN]> and reinstalled it
Oct 01 23:18:27 <ryan[WIN]> then rebooted phone
Oct 01 23:19:49 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: yeah. strange.
Oct 01 23:20:08 <ryan[WIN]> well it's better than having your actual app be the issue
Oct 01 23:20:16 <ryan[WIN]> it could have something to do with the way the ipkg is set up
Oct 01 23:27:25 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: but it's just a binary with the packaging generated by palm-package.
Oct 01 23:27:37 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: it's possible. the not-starting happens if the correct perms aren't set..somehow
Oct 01 23:31:19 <ryan[WIN]> possible
Oct 01 23:31:26 <ryan[WIN]> 755 right?
Oct 01 23:31:36 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: yeppres.
Oct 01 23:31:56 <ryan[WIN]> orr it could not be setting a correct path directory or whatever
Oct 01 23:32:05 <ryan[WIN]> so your app starts up and doesn't find any of its info and bombs out
Oct 01 23:32:14 <ryan[WIN]> because the current dir is wrong
Oct 01 23:32:24 <ryan[WIN]> but since you can't see stdout or stderr from the launcher
Oct 01 23:32:26 <ryan[WIN]> you don't get that info
Oct 01 23:33:31 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: that's gotta be logged somewhere, you'd think so anyway
Oct 01 23:33:42 <ryan[WIN]> maybe not :D
Oct 01 23:34:04 <ryan[WIN]> i wonder how hard it would be to make a VISUAL FAILURE lib
Oct 01 23:34:07 <ryan[WIN]> like a big blinky FAIL
Oct 01 23:34:17 <ryan[WIN]> maybe a simple header or something
Oct 01 23:34:33 <ryan[WIN]> not even a lib
Oct 01 23:35:00 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: right, it's either not starting at all or my app starts and does something wrong.
Oct 01 23:35:03 <dtzWill> :)
Oct 01 23:35:12 <ryan[WIN]> yes
Oct 01 23:35:15 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: what are you suggesting?
Oct 01 23:35:15 <ryan[WIN]> and with a big blinky fail
Oct 01 23:35:21 <ryan[WIN]> you can know whether or nto it fails
Oct 01 23:35:42 <ryan[WIN]> or it's just not running at all
Oct 01 23:35:49 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: oh you mean wrap the app and catch sigsegv and whatnot and tell the user if someting ahppened?
Oct 01 23:35:59 <ryan[WIN]> basically yes
Oct 01 23:36:32 <ryan[WIN]> with a printout of stdout/stderr
Oct 01 23:36:38 <ryan[WIN]> used for debugging pretty much
Oct 01 23:36:51 <ryan[WIN]> i could probably make that app
Oct 01 23:37:14 <ryan[WIN]> in a few mins
Oct 01 23:37:21 <ryan[WIN]> actually i'll go ahead and do that
Oct 01 23:37:29 <ka6sox> halfhalo, pingu?
Oct 01 23:37:37 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: i alrady log stdout/sterr to log files in the app directory
Oct 01 23:37:38 <halfhalo> mmmyyyyeees?
Oct 01 23:38:03 <ka6sox> are you alive?
Oct 01 23:38:04 <halfhalo> ka6sox: pinguback
Oct 01 23:38:11 <ka6sox> heh
Oct 01 23:38:11 <halfhalo> yes, yes I am
Oct 01 23:38:50 <dtzWill> ryan[WIN]: http://codinghorror.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128776ff992970c-pi
Oct 01 23:39:49 <dtzWill> ( http://www.solo-technology.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/works-on-my-machine-starburst.png )
Oct 01 23:54:02 <idontwan2know> So do we know what the "certain qualified developers" means in reference to the free Pres Plus mentioned in the developer newsletter?
Oct 02 00:10:44 <chrisA> If I take a picture of an upcoming palm device does that disqualify me being able to submit it as a "mockup", or do I win by default?
Oct 02 00:11:29 <cryptk> chrisA, 1) that would be hilarious, 2) only if Palm indeed came up with the coolest looking device
Oct 02 00:24:56 <tmzt_> chrisA: would a netbook count?
Oct 02 00:25:25 <tmzt_> when you guys figure out that MS is never going to license >1GB and the confusion is confusing buyers
Oct 02 00:25:33 <tmzt_> and hey, HP will have the only ones that work
Oct 02 00:25:55 <tmzt_> (with starter, and now XPsp3 is dead??)
Oct 02 00:28:33 <macman_> i see a palm pre plus for $122 used .. should i get it ?
Oct 02 00:34:02 <Loudergood> so it looks like I've tracked my dns issue to resolv.conf not getting updated
Oct 02 01:32:26 <bpadalino> what are you doing here ?
Oct 02 01:39:29 <halfhalo> what are YOU doing here 0_o
Oct 02 01:40:15 <ka6sox> I have NO idea.
Oct 02 01:40:20 <SineOt> Idling!
Oct 02 01:40:28 <halfhalo> I was told there would be cake
Oct 02 01:40:49 <SineOt> ... Is there cake?
Oct 02 01:41:38 <halfhalo> no... :(
Oct 02 01:41:38 <rwhitby> there was cake earlier - you missed it
Oct 02 01:42:15 <halfhalo> awww
Oct 02 01:42:15 <ka6sox> dang...I missed it!...what flavour?
Oct 02 01:42:22 <SineOt> :'(
Oct 02 01:50:46 <xbonesx> is there a way to extract the files in a .ipk for themes?
Oct 02 01:50:54 <xbonesx> or any ipk for that matter
Oct 02 01:51:55 <SineOt> yes
Oct 02 01:52:03 <SineOt> are you on Windows?
Oct 02 01:52:11 <xbonesx> i have windows and linux
Oct 02 01:52:22 <xbonesx> im currently on ubuntu
Oct 02 01:52:31 <SineOt> Ubuntu's archive utility thingy can extract IPKs
Oct 02 01:52:36 <SineOt> on windows, 7-zip can
Oct 02 01:52:45 <xbonesx> ok thank you
Oct 02 01:54:40 <Loudergood> 7zip can open darn near anything
Oct 02 01:54:58 <bpadalino> it can't open this damned jar of pickles!
Oct 02 01:55:00 <Loudergood> I was just digging through the contents of a webosdoctor.jar with it
Oct 02 01:55:03 <bpadalino> the lid is just too tight :(
Oct 02 01:55:11 <halfhalo> bpadalino: Hammer
Oct 02 01:55:12 <Loudergood> it can open pickles.jar though ;)
Oct 02 01:55:17 <bpadalino> heyo!
Oct 02 02:15:49 <CTLAdvance> Hello
Oct 02 02:15:53 * scoutcamper thinks att hates him, internet being down for an hr
Oct 02 02:16:03 <scoutcamper> >:(
Oct 02 02:16:07 <scoutcamper> CTLAdvance, hello
Oct 02 02:16:33 <CTLAdvance> Hello scoutcamper
Oct 02 02:16:56 <CTLAdvance> Is anyone familiar with USB passthrough
Oct 02 02:17:08 <scoutcamper> somewhat, why are you needing it?
Oct 02 02:17:37 <CTLAdvance> Well, I guess can this be used as a USB GPS Dongle?
Oct 02 02:18:00 <scoutcamper> what is "this"?
Oct 02 02:18:17 <CTLAdvance> I guess do we have any documentation on this
Oct 02 02:18:45 <scoutcamper> i dont think it can be, rwhitby comment?
Oct 02 02:18:53 <SineOt> if I had to guess, "this" = a webOS device with USB passthrough set up to allow it to operate as an external USB device
Oct 02 02:19:34 <CTLAdvance> I guess I need to read on what the purpose of this was, but I was messing around with it and before I break anything I figured I would ask the experts
Oct 02 02:19:55 <scoutcamper> SineOt, can it?  if i remeber right i saw something like this on precentral forums awhile back and the answer was no, but idk if that is still the case
Oct 02 02:20:01 <SineOt> I don't know if it can or not
Oct 02 02:20:07 <SineOt> but I think that's what CTLAdvance wants to figure out
Oct 02 02:20:44 <scoutcamper> CTLAdvance, can you give some more details?
Oct 02 02:20:59 <CTLAdvance> Yeah, can this be used as a USB modem, or GPS dongle
Oct 02 02:21:39 <CTLAdvance> I guess I need to take a trip to the internets and see what this is actually used for
Oct 02 02:22:51 <SineOt> USB modem, yes, but that doesn't need you to mess with the USB passthrough
Oct 02 02:22:54 <SineOt> GPS dongle, no idea
Oct 02 02:24:06 <phil_bw> woops... started a bloody war in #c++
Oct 02 02:24:12 <CTLAdvance> I thought we needed to enable usbnet for that
Oct 02 02:24:15 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Oct 02 02:25:51 <scoutcamper> idk on gps, cant find the post
Oct 02 02:26:39 <SineOt> USBnet can be enabled over novacom
Oct 02 02:26:57 <SineOt> I screwed up my usb pass through turning it on through the USB passthrough app
Oct 02 02:27:14 <scoutcamper> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_networking_setup
Oct 02 02:32:27 <scoutcamper> as i can find nothing on gps i assume answer is no, unless someone here knows something not online
Oct 02 02:32:49 <D0li0> hay hay hay.
Oct 02 02:33:30 <scoutcamper> is for horses
Oct 02 02:34:00 <D0li0> anyone know how to ^r in the Pre bash shell?
Oct 02 02:34:08 <CTLAdvance> Yeah, I read something that said you would need to doctor down to 1.2 then make a change and upgrade, so looks like that may very well be the case
Oct 02 02:34:33 <D0li0> Also how can I enable tab completion of my aliases?
Oct 02 02:34:38 <scoutcamper> D0li0, you mean access linux?
Oct 02 02:35:42 <scoutcamper> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux
Oct 02 02:35:46 <D0li0> ^r as in search bash history. in the shell app. like I do on servers and workstations...
Oct 02 02:36:43 <D0li0> I have access to linux.. love the shell. it rocks. just lookin to enable more of the missing features...
Oct 02 02:36:43 <scoutcamper> idk
Oct 02 02:36:55 <scoutcamper> is it in optoware?
Oct 02 02:37:42 <D0li0> it's not really a package. more of a shell feature or option.
Oct 02 02:37:59 <scoutcamper> then it porbably isnt there
Oct 02 02:38:37 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Oct 02 02:39:20 <D0li0> I'm sure it is... bash ( the good shell ) was missing history which I enabled by adding a line to my .profile file.
Oct 02 02:41:00 <CTLAdvance> ok well im done with this thought
Oct 02 02:41:03 <CTLAdvance> thanks for the helop
Oct 02 02:41:23 <D0li0> normaly a workstation has a ton of default shell settings and we don't even think about it.  not so on the Pre. it's plain venilla bash with little 'pretty'
Oct 02 02:42:07 <halfhalo> pretty is important
Oct 02 02:42:19 <D0li0> it's still the best shell on a phone. but could be even better.
Oct 02 02:42:30 <D0li0> true.. lol
Oct 02 02:43:26 <rwhitby> The Pre rootfs is a standard OpenEmbedded base.  Much like any other device based on OpenEmbedded.
Oct 02 02:43:34 <D0li0> so now that I have history I can (up) through recent commands even after closing and re opening the terminal.
Oct 02 02:43:45 * chrisA grumbles about OpenEmbedded
Oct 02 02:44:54 <D0li0> but ^r would let me do a (sym+r) and start typing any portion of a previous command in the history to quickly find stuff I ran in the past.
Oct 02 02:46:13 <D0li0> more ^r's would find more commands that matched the string I had typed... handy for a moble environment.
Oct 02 02:49:35 <D0li0> oops. got a call. did I mis any answers?
Oct 02 02:58:10 <CTLAdvance> do we really need to explain it to him again
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