**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 04 02:59:57 2010 Oct 04 04:17:41 hi all Oct 04 04:18:21 redwings? Oct 04 04:18:29 yes Oct 04 04:18:36 that's a kinda awkward name :P Oct 04 04:18:50 it's from the NHL team Oct 04 04:18:57 oh Oct 04 04:19:03 i was thinking Oct 04 04:19:05 nvmd Oct 04 04:19:42 anyway - wanted to see if i could get some help. Oct 04 04:19:53 i believe i have done the impossible and bricked a Pre Oct 04 04:20:12 I've done everything I can to break the infinite reboot loop... and nothing has solved it. Oct 04 04:20:28 is the bootloader pointing to itself? Oct 04 04:20:32 not even novacom boot mem:// < {kernel} Oct 04 04:20:54 not sure how to answer your question - how would I check that? Oct 04 04:21:43 have you tried doing a full restore? Oct 04 04:22:55 i've tried webOS doctor over and over again - but every time it gets to 8% then quits (phone reboots) Oct 04 04:23:22 hmm Oct 04 04:23:33 i've never had to restore mine so i honestly don't know Oct 04 04:23:48 you'll have to wait till someone who has to notice this convo to probably get help Oct 04 04:23:52 sorry i couldn't help Oct 04 04:24:14 thanks for trying Oct 04 04:24:24 the good news is that sprint is ordering me a new pre for free Oct 04 04:24:28 i get it in 2 days Oct 04 04:24:43 but i wanted to get everything I could off this phone before I have to turn it in Oct 04 04:24:47 (photos, etc.) Oct 04 04:24:54 should be backed up automatically Oct 04 04:24:59 mine does a daily backup Oct 04 04:25:05 the photos? Oct 04 04:25:11 i think so Oct 04 04:25:17 those are not backed up to the cloud, I don't think Oct 04 04:25:23 oh Oct 04 04:25:30 i put all mine on my computer anyway Oct 04 04:25:31 hmm Oct 04 04:26:21 yeah i should have backed mine up Oct 04 04:27:17 just checked - photos are not backed up to the loud Oct 04 04:27:20 cloud Oct 04 04:47:14 what is this place? Oct 04 04:47:37 whoa whoa... Like a chat help room for the Govnah? Oct 04 04:48:38 I think I'm way too clueless to be here... Oct 04 04:50:56 well...still waaay off the record.... Oct 04 04:51:04 lol Oct 04 04:57:55 anyone knowledgeable about how to break an infinite-reboot loop on the Pre? Oct 04 05:01:16 RdWings19, what happened before this started happening? Oct 04 05:01:50 ka6sox, the phone was working fine - then just spontaneously rebooted and then got stuck rebooting Oct 04 05:02:00 not even webOS Doctor can help Oct 04 05:02:09 sounds like windows Oct 04 05:02:19 did you install or remove anything just before it started doing this? Oct 04 05:02:47 sure - updated a couple of apps thru Preware Oct 04 05:02:55 but nothing that was actively running Oct 04 05:02:56 what apps? Oct 04 05:03:03 BFG Maps Oct 04 05:03:07 maybe Maptool Oct 04 05:03:37 I can't even get this thing unstuck when I try manually loading a kernel thru novaterm Oct 04 05:03:37 no kernel, or patches? Oct 04 05:03:56 well, I have plenty of patches but had not changed any. Oct 04 05:04:15 using UberKernel for a while now, but hadn't changed any settings Oct 04 05:04:33 which version of UK? Oct 04 05:04:43 can't remember Oct 04 05:04:58 but it was one of the bleeding edge ones Oct 04 05:05:12 to the point that the 1GHz setting was making the phone too hot Oct 04 05:05:18 I had to knock it back to 800 Oct 04 05:05:33 (but this was after the stable version of 1 GHz came out) Oct 04 05:05:56 but my point is this: none of the normal recovery procedures are working!! Oct 04 05:06:22 right, I hear that...what I'm trying to do is get a compleat picture. Oct 04 05:07:13 i've pulled the battery 100 times by now Oct 04 05:07:38 and I've read posts by others who have the same symptoms - but nobody seems to be able to solve it Oct 04 05:07:51 I assume that you have tried turning on the phone with the raise volume and attemped a doctor that way? Oct 04 05:09:25 do you get a glowing palm or no glow? Oct 04 05:09:46 no glow Oct 04 05:09:47 I know I'm asking a lot of questions but that will give us some place to start. Oct 04 05:10:08 and yes, did the up-volume Doctor attempt. no luck. Oct 04 05:10:55 have you tried to talk to bootie? Oct 04 05:11:44 (other than the memboot) Oct 04 05:12:19 how would i do that? Oct 04 05:13:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie Oct 04 05:14:21 see if you can get a klog..that would help too. Oct 04 05:15:13 i can talk to bootie Oct 04 05:15:29 good. Oct 04 05:15:32 i had it tell me battery status, etc. Oct 04 05:15:43 that means its not completely dead. Oct 04 05:15:47 right Oct 04 05:16:56 but when I tried to have it boot an alternate kernel (uImage...joplin-3430) that didn't work either Oct 04 05:17:46 so what would be helpful is to see if its booting the kernel but not pivoting to the rootfs or if the kernel is faiing Oct 04 05:18:08 so a klog would be helpful. Oct 04 05:18:11 OK - so how do we find that out, and what happens after that? Oct 04 05:19:32 getting the klog is @ the bottom of the page. Oct 04 05:19:32 after that you post it somewhere we can look @ it. Oct 04 05:21:44 so do I do 'klog list'? Oct 04 05:22:28 novacom get file://klog Oct 04 05:22:41 from another terminal window Oct 04 05:23:10 it says klog empty Oct 04 05:24:29 should i issue the reset command? Oct 04 05:24:37 ya, thought it might Oct 04 05:25:05 okay try to boot the alternative and use the novacom get to see if you can get anything. Oct 04 05:25:30 boot the alternate, and while it's booting, get the klog? Oct 04 05:25:52 yep Oct 04 05:26:13 and post it somwhere like webos-internals.pastebin.com Oct 04 05:27:05 didn't work Oct 04 05:27:15 did it just die? Oct 04 05:27:19 first it said bad or error response from other side Oct 04 05:27:32 and then 'unable to find decvice' Oct 04 05:27:40 okay try now Oct 04 05:27:58 timing might be critical Oct 04 05:28:17 unable to find device Oct 04 05:28:30 whats on the screen now? Oct 04 05:28:39 (of the device) Oct 04 05:28:49 palm logo, no glow, reboot cycle Oct 04 05:29:08 okay try to get into bootie Oct 04 05:29:28 see if you can get anything out of it without resetting the phone with a hard reset Oct 04 05:29:40 unable to find device Oct 04 05:29:46 when trying to get into bootie Oct 04 05:30:31 novacom socket was closed when i told it to boot the kernel Oct 04 05:31:19 is there another uImage I should try? Oct 04 05:32:47 I'm wondering if you have corruption in the rootfs you have on there now... Oct 04 05:33:03 but it should boot the doctor. Oct 04 05:33:23 no quick answers on this one. Oct 04 05:34:12 ok, thanks for trying Oct 04 05:34:20 best thing now is to leave a window open here and look for responses (and inquiries) overnight...there are several folks Oct 04 05:34:32 i'll try again tomorrow Oct 04 05:34:34 who will probably have questions or things to try. Oct 04 05:35:08 I realize its late where you are. Oct 04 05:36:58 but if you want it resolved I'd keep an open channel so that there is a chance of a final resolution. Oct 04 05:37:34 most (but not all) of the kernel devs are asleep and I haven't seen the bootloader guy tonight. Oct 04 11:20:49 afternoon Oct 04 12:52:08 anyone here up to the challenge of un-bricking a Pre? Oct 04 12:54:02 can't get it to work with webOS Doctor, even in USB Recovery Mode Oct 04 12:54:55 does the phone do anything at all ? Oct 04 12:55:12 other than continuously reboot? no. Oct 04 12:55:30 i can put it into recovery mode and open a novacom tty session but that's about it Oct 04 12:55:31 so the screen comes up with stuff ? Oct 04 12:55:38 palm logo, no glow Oct 04 12:56:04 hrm .. i wish i had bricks that came up with a palm logo .. that sounds kind of cool Oct 04 12:56:36 but after about 30-40 seconds, the Palm logo fades out and the phone reboots Oct 04 12:56:56 I've tried it all. Despite what the wiki says, I believe it IS possible to brick a Pre. Oct 04 12:57:00 imagine a whole building made from those bricks .. Oct 04 12:58:35 so nobody has any ideas, eh? Oct 04 12:58:38 sorry for being so snarky .. i think if you can't doctor it, then the hardware is defective Oct 04 12:59:51 that sucks... Oct 04 12:59:59 i am sorry Oct 04 13:00:06 i had some photos on there that I hadn't backed up anywhere - wanted to try to save those somehow Oct 04 13:00:10 there is a novacom command to get you the last kernel log Oct 04 13:00:16 maybe that helps out Oct 04 13:00:26 yes, and it says 'klog empty' Oct 04 13:00:27 bootie may be able to access the filesystems Oct 04 13:00:32 but i am not sure Oct 04 13:01:12 wouldn't the FS have to be mounted somehow? Oct 04 13:01:38 i think bootie understands how to mount and access it, but i could be totally wrong here Oct 04 13:03:03 can anyone confirm? Oct 04 13:43:17 GNUtoo|laptop, btw. we now have working klicks with our tslib plugin :) Oct 04 13:47:36 playya_, nice I suspected it, because of some morphis commits, and then morphis told me that it was working Oct 04 13:47:49 oh ok Oct 04 13:51:26 Hi! Oct 04 13:54:29 Hi everybody! Oct 04 13:55:15 hi Oct 04 13:55:27 Any chance I could get some help with a strange Govnah/Uberkernel-problem of mine? Oct 04 13:56:41 For some reason with the latest release my 720/250 seting never drops below 600MHz anymore Oct 04 13:58:00 Is that a known problem or is my pre running something crazy in the background that keeps the device run at high speed al the time (and if- how do I find what is is)? :) Oct 04 14:00:10 Also, could reduced voltage cause the cpu to run at higher frequency? (I reduced it a bit) Oct 04 14:01:52 any ideas would be very much apprechiated! Oct 04 14:02:40 Pulp, htop? Oct 04 14:05:21 thats's the problem, I'm an ultimate linux-beginner :/ Oct 04 14:06:57 I never ran something like htop before Oct 04 14:13:27 If you tell me it's nothing with the build, then I can read up on how to get htop running when I get home - I just don't want to put time into it just to find out it was not my device later :) Oct 04 14:18:29 Question: I believe I have patches on my phone that preware is not picking up as installed. Is there any method of resetting all patches in this situation without doctoring? I'm not at home so I can't doctor. Oct 04 14:19:11 My messaging app has a charactercounter but preware doesn't show any patches installed. This wouldindicate phantom patches correct? Oct 04 14:19:49 Yes, there is an emercency recovery for patches, if you run it your patches should be back Oct 04 14:20:33 i think searching for emergency in preware should bring it up Oct 04 14:20:47 Having a theme installed wouldn't matter right? Cause my theme isn't showing up as beinginstalled either Oct 04 14:22:22 I don't think it will bring back the theme, had the same problem once and reinstalling and then uninstalling the theme helped Oct 04 14:28:31 Pulp: Womt let me instal the theme cause it says there is already a theme installled lol Oct 04 16:34:41 bärb Oct 04 16:36:50 I really enjoy when people with no idea what they're talking about and no visibility post how they think things can be done Oct 04 16:37:12 Thats how the internets works though! Oct 04 16:37:17 lol Oct 04 16:37:51 hey, this guy on the internet said the tablet that is going to be out sometime in 2011 should be out in january instead. Sure, do that! Oct 04 16:41:32 chrisA, its how rumor sites thrive...people who don't know speculating. Oct 04 16:42:40 gives people false hope on things that probably won't happen anyways... Oct 04 16:48:31 well, january is 2011, right? Oct 04 16:48:34 :) Oct 04 16:49:28 and Palm/HP has stated 2011Q1 Oct 04 16:49:33 which January is Oct 04 16:49:37 lol Oct 04 16:49:39 CONFIRMED! Oct 04 16:49:53 so i wouldn't put that statement of January in the rumor category, just wishful thinking Oct 04 16:50:10 so that means the rumours are true but not necessarily the actual stuff. Oct 04 16:50:14 I think it is more likely to be Feb, but Jan falls perfectly in line with what Palm/HP has said as well Oct 04 16:50:32 it means that rumor does agree with what HP/Palm has released Oct 04 16:50:34 nothing more, nothing less Oct 04 16:51:08 * oilsworkn isn't terribly excited about tablet Oct 04 16:51:29 we have yet to see anything about how webos is going to go on a tablet Oct 04 16:51:34 * oilsworkn is hoping its not "big pre" Oct 04 16:52:16 I would like a "big pre" mode for app compatibility Oct 04 16:52:24 but there is so much more you can do with a tabley Oct 04 16:52:36 that is where Apple went wrong, they literally made a big iPod touch... Oct 04 16:52:41 nothing more, nothing less Oct 04 16:53:01 Well, less since doesn't it have less ram? Oct 04 16:53:49 "went wrong" as in only sold a few million in the spring Oct 04 16:54:33 they will sell a few million just on hype Oct 04 16:55:02 indeed Oct 04 16:55:05 the hype is what sold it Oct 04 16:55:15 apple is an advertising master, no doubting that Oct 04 16:55:20 It's easy to dismiss them because of that, but the return rate and satisfaction numbers on their products are excellent Oct 04 16:55:23 last night I read an AP article that said that Apple is poised to knock off Exxon/Mobil as the biggest company in the world. Oct 04 16:55:29 Compare that to the sprint pres that were largely junk Oct 04 16:55:36 and at this point aren't really in circulation much Oct 04 16:55:50 Because they all broke? Oct 04 16:56:05 chrisA: I agree the pre hardware is definitely ont of great quality Oct 04 16:56:09 the OS is top notch though Oct 04 16:56:11 * halfhalo still has a workingish sprint pre somewhere Oct 04 16:56:19 just on underpowered and weak hardware Oct 04 16:56:19 sprint has a 1 year phone system, I doubt many people have them anymore Oct 04 16:56:28 my sprint pre still works great Oct 04 16:56:35 and I still use it Oct 04 16:56:38 * oilsworkn has sprint pre! Oct 04 16:56:45 * halfhalo has sprint pre plus! Oct 04 16:56:58 i only replaced it with a new sprint pre recently because the slider broke Oct 04 16:57:04 and metal pieces were hanging over the kb Oct 04 16:57:41 * oilsworkn thinks the + looks weird with no button Oct 04 16:57:49 It does... Oct 04 16:57:52 if the slider is open, and the screen is off Oct 04 16:57:56 But the speed makes up for it Oct 04 16:58:02 does tapping the center of the gesture area wake it up as the button does? Oct 04 16:58:11 No, don't think so Oct 04 16:58:17 bah Oct 04 16:58:20 * oilsworkn uses that a lot Oct 04 16:58:52 I never use the button Oct 04 16:58:58 I wish I could re-map it to something else Oct 04 16:59:05 * oilsworkn uses hte button a lot Oct 04 16:59:15 I just swipe up Oct 04 16:59:48 I need a browser patch that moves all of the buttons (back, forward, etc) to be along the gesture area when the thing is landscape... Oct 04 17:00:00 "just swipe up" doesn't awake the pre :) Oct 04 17:00:04 it's annoying not being able to reach the back button one handed Oct 04 17:00:09 power button does Oct 04 17:00:17 like the piix Oct 04 17:00:19 power button is in weird spot when slider is open Oct 04 17:00:20 and my gesture area button doesn't wake mine Oct 04 17:00:21 er pixi Oct 04 17:00:36 oh, with screen open it does wake it Oct 04 17:00:38 i plug it into audio cable coming from the back of my deck in the car Oct 04 17:00:51 and leave the slider open so i can wake it up with the button press Oct 04 17:01:39 then I could see it being useful Oct 04 17:01:56 i NEVER turn on my pre with the power button Oct 04 17:02:07 theres a power button? Oct 04 17:02:09 btw, did I mention that my pre undervolts like a champ Oct 04 17:02:13 when it comes out of my pocket, i always slide it open Oct 04 17:02:25 I love that because I have a 'weak' pre, no 125 or 250 for me Oct 04 17:02:35 but I can run at 500 at the same voltage as 125 stock Oct 04 17:02:49 and I can run at 1GHz at well below the UK default Oct 04 17:03:23 * oilsworkn takes a trip to the other plant to turn something off and on again :) Oct 04 17:03:24 brb Oct 04 19:07:31 hi there Oct 04 19:07:52 hi there Oct 04 19:08:15 does anyone here know the people who arranged the webos internals booth at scale 2010? Oct 04 19:12:25 I won the palm pixi but the free service is now expired Oct 04 19:12:56 and spirt won't tell me turn it back on because my name isn't on the account and I don't have a pin Oct 04 19:13:41 if you already have a sprint account Oct 04 19:13:48 just call up sprint and do a phone swap Oct 04 19:15:53 they won't let me because they say the phone belongs to someone else Oct 04 19:17:05 they tell me that I should just contact the people I won the phone from Oct 04 19:17:49 I won the phone from the webos internals booth at scale Oct 04 19:18:43 unfortunately I don't have any other info on who I won the phone from Oct 04 19:18:56 bethlynn: lemme check with someone Oct 04 19:19:14 I think I /may/ know who it was Oct 04 19:19:29 likely you should talk to Adora about it, but give me a few to try and track down the right person for you Oct 04 19:19:45 grats on the fre phone btw, lets see if we can get it to where you can use it again, lol Oct 04 19:19:53 thank you very much, my emaail addres is bethlynneicher@gmail.com Oct 04 19:24:05 ok, I know who was running the booth, but I don't think they are the person who can fix it Oct 04 19:24:17 I am thinking maybe Adora, but i am looking into it for you Oct 04 19:24:34 thank you Oct 04 19:25:20 I am talking about the guy who ran the sound booth at scale. he also was involved with the webos internals booth Oct 04 19:25:49 I gave my email address to him at the time because the palm folks wanted to know who won Oct 04 19:26:20 but I never heard anything from anyone at palm, or sprint Oct 04 19:26:48 a few weeks later, hp bought palm which may have something to do with the confusion Oct 04 19:33:20 ahh Oct 04 19:33:28 well, likely Adora is the person to talk to Oct 04 19:33:38 you can contact her via email Oct 04 19:33:59 just msg'd ya her email Oct 04 19:34:13 I am pretty sure she is the one that arranged for the phones to be given away at SCALE Oct 04 19:34:25 ok. thank you Oct 04 19:40:02 awesome! thanks. Oct 04 19:41:21 oh crud...missed her Oct 04 20:10:45 argh Oct 04 20:10:52 stupid work internets... Oct 04 20:53:06 sconix: Any plans to add lite list launcher functionality to the launcher conf patch? That's the one thing preventing me from installing it -- I like lite list too much and can't go back to icons Oct 04 21:02:09 xcomp_: it would not be a big task actually, but I am not too keen on working with the app launcher patch before 2.0 Oct 04 21:10:30 sconix: bummer, but I understand. I just find it so much easier to navigate and find apps by flicking through a list. I think it's a much better system than the ubiquitous icon grid Oct 04 21:12:19 xcomp_: I understand and I am all about giving options to the users, but more work on that patch now is most likely wasted when 2.0 comes. I prefer the icons just because I get more apps per page that way. Oct 05 01:05:26 anyone got time to help me with a seriously bricked Pre? (Yes, I've read/tried it all.) Oct 05 01:06:09 RWings19: I've seen the backlog about your Pre. Oct 05 01:06:20 rod, it's an honor to hear from you personally. Oct 05 01:06:26 you can get into recovery mode, right? Oct 05 01:06:30 Yes , I can. Oct 05 01:06:37 and bootie Oct 05 01:06:40 do you have meta-doctor set up Oct 05 01:06:56 I tried under ubuntu - but it kept giving me errors during the 'make' stage Oct 05 01:07:11 I might have to re-do that using a separate virtualbox setup Oct 05 01:07:13 do you have an unpacked doctor? Oct 05 01:07:25 (all you need is the .uImage file) Oct 05 01:07:25 meaning... can I extract from the .jar? Oct 05 01:07:46 there's an unpack-doctor script in meta-doctor/scripts/ Oct 05 01:08:32 RWings19: I'm assuming from reading the backlog that you have reasonable linux command line skills, correct? Oct 05 01:08:47 well, I did already try 'novacom boot mem:// < uImage...joplin-3430' and that did NOT do the trick Oct 05 01:08:59 yes, reasonable skills Oct 05 01:09:28 this is a Pre, right? Oct 05 01:09:34 yes - sprint Pre Oct 05 01:09:38 you need nova-installer-image-castle.uImage Oct 05 01:09:46 good to know :) Oct 05 01:09:56 which is in the webOS.tar file in the unpacked doctor Oct 05 01:10:06 sounds like I have some work to do Oct 05 01:10:11 (in the webOS subdir if you use the unpack script) Oct 05 01:10:29 once you memboot that image, you can then novaterm into the device Oct 05 01:10:46 7zip works great for cracking open jar files Oct 05 01:10:54 I've got 7-zip Oct 05 01:11:18 you can then use the commands from the meta-doctor makefile to start the LVM and mount the flash filesystems, and you can take a clone of the filesystems at that point for safety Oct 05 01:11:29 then you can make manual edits as required to get it booting again Oct 05 01:12:21 rod - sorry, you're starting to get a bit over my head Oct 05 01:12:43 is there a step-by-step wiki that walks through setting up the LVM, etc? Oct 05 01:12:50 open the meta-doctor Makefile and you will see the commands in there Oct 05 01:13:31 OK, I was able to extract the uImage file with 7-zip Oct 05 01:13:49 search for "backup:" "mount:", "memload:" etc in the Makefile to see the novacom commands you need to type Oct 05 01:14:29 "make backup" should just work once you have the installer uImage booted Oct 05 01:15:02 OK, going to try to mem-boot the uImage right now Oct 05 01:16:30 BTW, this process is on the recovery wiki page, in the last-resort section Oct 05 01:16:50 OK, I am into the device! Oct 05 01:17:27 got the 'root@palm-webos-device:/#' prompt Oct 05 01:19:06 ok, do a "make backup" in the meta-doctor now Oct 05 01:20:36 shoot, I don't have the meta-doctor set up right now. Oct 05 01:20:47 I am accessing the device through WinXP's cmd Oct 05 01:20:55 I did both lvm lines Oct 05 01:21:16 6 logical volumes now active! Oct 05 01:22:56 just issued the 'for N' command Oct 05 01:22:59 looks successful Oct 05 01:23:42 ls shows me plenty of files Oct 05 01:24:08 so the problem was you were just using the wrong .uImage file Oct 05 01:24:31 right - but now that I have access to these files (from within Windows) how can I copy the files to my Windows volume? Oct 05 01:24:50 look at the backup command in the Makefiel Oct 05 01:25:39 basically you stream a tar file back over novacom Oct 05 01:25:47 hmm... Oct 05 01:25:53 OK, I'll try to figure that out Oct 05 01:26:19 what command(s) do I need to do to get the Pre out of its reboot loop at this point? Oct 05 01:26:43 should the 'umount -a; tellbootie reboot' do it? Oct 05 01:27:08 yep Oct 05 01:27:30 well, that will just reboot it - you haven't changed anything on the device yet Oct 05 01:27:37 OK - I have not been able to figure out the backup thing yet... since I don't have the ubuntu image running right now Oct 05 01:27:42 so if you really do have a reboot loop, you still need to fix that Oct 05 01:27:59 what kernel were you running? Oct 05 01:28:03 Uber Oct 05 01:28:15 but it was one of the bleeding edge ones... not sure which version Oct 05 01:28:22 it was after 1GHz was merged to stable Oct 05 01:28:53 I have no idea whether I still have a reboot loop or not - since I have not tried to reboot the device since getting into it. Oct 05 01:29:19 memboot doesn't change the flash, so any problem will still be there Oct 05 01:29:36 you've tried booting while plugged into the wall charger, right? Oct 05 01:29:50 yes sir Oct 05 01:30:10 no change Oct 05 01:30:40 i've tried webOS Doctor over and over; it always disconnects at 4% or 8% Oct 05 01:31:02 that's usually the fault of the host machine not being able to reconnect the USB Oct 05 01:31:44 OK - but that happened on three different PCs Oct 05 01:33:35 once you get your data off and verify that you have it, you could then dd zero the filesystem partitions to clear them. that should fix any doctor problems Oct 05 01:34:02 still trying to find where it is.... Oct 05 01:34:18 and how to copy it off without having to use a virtual ubuntu image, if possible Oct 05 01:35:17 dunno, haven't used windows in over a year now Oct 05 01:35:51 I don't believe windows has that capacity by default Oct 05 01:36:48 ok Oct 05 01:37:31 although i don't really use windows either Oct 05 01:37:43 novacom should work fine on windows - you should be able to output it to a file Oct 05 01:38:21 where are the images (photos, etc.) stored in the palm's linux filesystem? Oct 05 01:38:37 /media/internal Oct 05 01:39:05 crap... Oct 05 01:39:13 when I do ls there, I see nothing Oct 05 01:39:49 might not be mounted there? Oct 05 01:40:43 it'll be mounted wherever you mounted the store partition Oct 05 01:40:49 * rwhitby bbl Oct 05 01:41:31 all I did was follow the commands on the Last Resort page Oct 05 01:41:41 so I didn't pick any specific locations for mounting Oct 05 01:43:53 sorry if I sound noobish Oct 05 01:43:58 I am doing the best I can here Oct 05 01:52:33 hmm...I need to do this on my pre...of course it has a different dhclient-script so this should be fun.. Oct 05 01:52:35 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3773287&postcount=6 Oct 05 01:54:11 OK, I found the mounted locations, and confirm that my files are still there Oct 05 01:54:24 I just need to figure out how to get them off there and onto my PC Oct 05 01:55:57 or... how to break the infinite reboot loop! Oct 05 01:57:23 there we are....line 144 looks like a promising candidate Oct 05 01:57:55 I'm all ears Oct 05 02:00:40 unfortunately I have more linux knowledge than pre knowledge...so you might have to wait for rwhitby to get back Oct 05 02:01:53 What should I do, if Emergency Patch Recovery hangs? Oct 05 02:01:56 I think if I can figure out how to get novaterm running and copy files over that, I'll be OK Oct 05 02:02:44 if you can get novaterm running, look at nova-browser in the pdk Oct 05 02:03:39 Vince42, go see the doctor? Oct 05 02:03:41 well, I am in the Pre Oct 05 02:03:45 Pre's filesystem Oct 05 02:03:56 Loudergood: I wanted to avoid that :) Oct 05 02:04:50 nova-browser lets you upload and download files from the device Oct 05 02:05:28 i see the nova-browser.bat file but when I clicked it it seemed to self-terminate Oct 05 02:06:42 this is maddening Oct 05 02:06:56 try running it from command line Oct 05 02:07:39 actually it seems there is a jar for it Oct 05 02:07:46 DeviceBrowser.jar Oct 05 02:08:43 under share/jars/ in the pdk Oct 05 02:09:00 yeah but it's not talking with the Pre for some reason Oct 05 02:09:49 but novaterm is working? Oct 05 02:10:06 I wonder if it wont let them both work at the same time Oct 05 02:10:12 let me check here. Oct 05 02:10:19 holy crap, I think the jar is working Oct 05 02:10:30 ^5 Oct 05 02:12:18 alright, I'm going to bed. Good luck. Oct 05 02:13:30 thanks... looks like I will be able to save the files! Oct 05 02:13:49 If only I can clear the reboot loop, then I will be all set. thanks for all your help. Oct 05 02:17:00 * scoutcamper wants a mansion Oct 05 02:18:31 or a palm pad Oct 05 02:18:37 wichever is first :D Oct 05 02:19:04 anyone have any idea how to clear the infinite reboot loop? Oct 05 02:19:11