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Oct 07 03:35:38 <beyond> Anyone care to give a newb a couple mins of there time?
Oct 07 04:09:51 <xcomp> well ... like I said a while back, I knew for sure Palm was working on a 3630-based Pre successor. I just don't know if it will ever see the light of day or be superseded by an OMAP4 phone.
Oct 07 04:10:57 <xcomp> I'm still inclined to think there's an OMAP4 phone given that proc started shipping early this year
Oct 07 04:11:02 <bnceo> I think we'll see OMAP4 on a Palm phone. Just don't know if its this one or the next one. the so called Mansion
Oct 07 04:11:35 <SineOt> I think the P102 will the OMAP3, and the Mansion would have the OMAP4
Oct 07 04:11:42 <SineOt> isn't OMAP4 supposed to be a lot faster?
Oct 07 04:11:54 <xcomp> yes, it's dual core and smaller process
Oct 07 04:12:20 <SineOt> dual core?
Oct 07 04:12:31 <SineOt> that might end up in the tablet
Oct 07 04:12:59 <xcomp> yes, dual cores at 1GHz. It will end up in phones, just hoping palm will be the first
Oct 07 04:13:49 <SineOt> it'd be cool, yeah, but with how many people complain about battery life on the current phones? :p
Oct 07 04:13:56 <xcomp> the OMAP4 is an insane chip. Real time 1080p video encoding and hardware media decoders that hardly use any battery power
Oct 07 04:15:01 <xcomp> trust nme, battery life will be a LOT better on the omap4. Think hours and hours of mp3 playback without worrying about recharging
Oct 07 04:15:36 <SineOt> dun dun dun, that's interesting
Oct 07 04:15:45 <SineOt> the "RoadRunner" was rumored to have a high res screen
Oct 07 04:16:10 <SineOt> and apparently some of the P102 FCC docs make it sound like this is RoadRunner
Oct 07 04:16:55 <xcomp> I'm definitely holding out for more if p102 is a 3630, even though that chip will offer major performance improvements over the 3430
Oct 07 04:18:24 <SineOt> if the p102 is packing a Retina display and a better processor, and ends up on sprint... then awesome
Oct 07 04:19:32 <xcomp> 3630 will run at 1GHz and use far less battery power
Oct 07 04:19:45 <xcomp> and probably overclock to around 1.3
Oct 07 04:19:48 <rwhitby> SineOt: I've never seen any solid rumours about roadrunner having high res screen.
Oct 07 04:20:18 <SineOt> wasn't there the metrix reports stating a device had been used with a 960x640 screen?
Oct 07 04:20:27 <SineOt> (which was also the source of the roadrunner in the first place if I remember right)
Oct 07 04:20:43 <rwhitby> that was probably the dummy entry that I injected into Metrix
Oct 07 04:20:49 <halfhalo> yeah, but how hard would it be to fake that stuff?
Oct 07 04:20:49 <SineOt> going off memory here
Oct 07 04:20:51 <SineOt> ah
Oct 07 04:20:54 <xcomp> ahahaha
Oct 07 04:20:57 <SineOt> well then that answers it :p
Oct 07 04:21:40 <oil> lol @ redina display
Oct 07 04:21:46 <SineOt> shame on you rwhitby :p
Oct 07 04:23:59 <bnceo> lol
Oct 07 04:24:34 <xcomp> battery life is actually great on the pre once you buy a 1400mAh battery, turn off push email and tweak voltage settings ... lol
Oct 07 04:25:12 <xcomp> make it easily through an entire day with plenty to spare
Oct 07 04:25:33 <xcomp> and I leave all my radios on
Oct 07 04:26:00 <SineOt> I get that kind of life on my Pixi, but I do turn off the data when I go to bed
Oct 07 04:29:34 <halfhalo> I usually end up charging an hour or two after I get home
Oct 07 04:29:36 <halfhalo> no matter
Oct 07 04:29:37 <halfhalo> what
Oct 07 04:30:07 <halfhalo> but thats because I get no service at home
Oct 07 04:30:10 <SineOt> with a touchstone it's easy to just do that since it's like, *toss* *charges*
Oct 07 04:30:54 <halfhalo> I have to many touchstones...
Oct 07 04:31:20 <SineOt> send me a few :9
Oct 07 04:31:36 <xcomp> I need to get about 3 more touchstones. one for the kitchen, one for the living room, one for the office
Oct 07 04:31:36 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 07 04:31:56 <halfhalo> I just don't have enough chargers to go with the touchstones
Oct 07 04:32:02 <xcomp> s/need/want
Oct 07 04:32:57 <bnceo> I get no service at my job cause it's an army base
Oct 07 04:33:09 <bnceo> and not ready fully for civilian employees yet.
Oct 07 04:33:23 <SineOt> I'd love an in car touchstone, there's even a giant panel on the dash that has ONE tiny thing on it: a toggle to turn off the passenger airbag
Oct 07 04:33:33 <bnceo> We are getting a couple of cell towers next year, but my Pre stays on the Touchstone in airplane mode while I'm at work
Oct 07 04:34:12 <xcomp> I have one in my car. it just sits there next to the gearstick
Oct 07 04:35:09 <xcomp> works great for me
Oct 07 04:35:15 <SineOt> this has a column shift, would be hard to put on there ;p
Oct 07 04:35:57 <xcomp> ah... you need a fancy mount then.
Oct 07 04:36:14 <bnceo> off to bed. nite
Oct 07 04:36:35 <halfhalo>  theres no place to mount it in my car...
Oct 07 04:36:56 <SineOt> like I said, there's a giant panel (seriously, it's like 2x4")
Oct 07 04:37:03 <SineOt> that would make a great mount for it
Oct 07 05:36:27 <KittyHeather> Preware isn't playing nice with me tonight
Oct 07 05:37:13 <rwhitby> Naughty Preware.
Oct 07 05:38:51 <KittyHeather> yeah, either that or Sconix' Advanced Config program is borked
Oct 07 05:38:58 <KittyHeather> I prefer to think it's my end screwed up
Oct 07 05:39:17 <rwhitby> what's the symptoms?
Oct 07 05:39:29 <KittyHeather> ipkg fails
Oct 07 05:39:42 <KittyHeather> i'm putting together a pastebin now ... something screwed up with a bunch of hunks
Oct 07 05:39:56 <rwhitby> ah, that just means you've got conflicting patches installed
Oct 07 05:40:18 <KittyHeather> i just dumped the software on the phone and did a fresh install of preware
Oct 07 05:40:46 <rwhitby> so this is immediately after a complete webOS Doctor?
Oct 07 05:41:13 <KittyHeather> everything on my phone is app store ... not sure about the webos doctor ... dunno I ever did anything with that, but I believe I have the program
Oct 07 05:41:42 <KittyHeather> I have it ... do I use it?
Oct 07 05:41:57 <rwhitby> have you ever installed any patches using Preware or WebOS Quick Install or Internalz before?
Oct 07 05:43:13 <KittyHeather> preware and quick install, but not since I did the reset on the phone earlier tonight ... I installed preware, but that's it
Oct 07 05:46:47 <KittyHeather> all started with me trying to fix my speakerphone setup, Sine0t thought sconix's programs would be an improvement, and I'm sure they will
Oct 07 05:56:15 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 07 06:27:05 <KittyHeather> rwhitby: webos doc seems to be working
Oct 07 06:57:51 <hsarci> i've looked around, but i've been unsuccesful, is there a way to playback flac files on webos?
Oct 07 06:59:54 <hsarci> ?
Oct 07 07:05:24 <swisstomcat> i don't think so?
Oct 07 10:02:27 <swisstomcat> rehi
Oct 07 10:02:32 <ryan[WIN]> hay
Oct 07 14:47:39 <RagingMind> what would be great is a non-developer mode way to install random things
Oct 07 17:34:40 <ka6sox-work> is anyone having troubles getting to preware.org?
Oct 07 17:44:30 <dtzWill> ka6sox-work: works here
Oct 07 17:44:53 <ka6sox-work> dtzWill, thanks
Oct 07 17:47:51 <KittyHeather> the preware app was laggy for me last night, and I can't get any of the themes to load with webos quick install
Oct 07 18:17:51 <KittyHeather> I just looked at the back cover of my pre plus just now, it's a part number 180-10704-00 ... I can't tell if it's a Touchstone or not ... I'm thinking no, but ...
Oct 07 18:18:57 <swisstomcat> P299N4U3C3A is on my touchstone cover
Oct 07 18:19:17 <swisstomcat> oops, that's not the P/N ... 180-10704-00 is it
Oct 07 18:19:32 <KittyHeather> sweet ... so i got the oem touchstone?
Oct 07 18:19:36 <swisstomcat> yeah
Oct 07 18:19:44 <KittyHeather> =^_^=
Oct 07 18:19:46 <swisstomcat> i think every plus comes with the touchstone cover
Oct 07 18:20:00 <KittyHeather> I couldn't tell
Oct 07 18:20:13 <KittyHeather> verizon was selling the charger, but I couldn't find the back
Oct 07 18:21:03 <idontwan2know> Yes, the touchstone back is standard on the Plus
Oct 07 18:21:40 * KittyHeather does little happy dance
Oct 07 18:23:22 <cryptk|work> the easy way to tell is to take the back cover off and look at the inside of the cover
Oct 07 18:23:40 <cryptk|work> if you see a sticker looking thing with a small chip with two little metal contacts... touchstone cover
Oct 07 18:23:53 <KittyHeather> it is
Oct 07 18:24:07 <KittyHeather> i thought maybe they were dummy wires though
Oct 07 18:24:09 <cryptk|work> there ya go,
Oct 07 18:24:10 <cryptk|work> nope
Oct 07 18:24:11 <KittyHeather> i've seen it before
Oct 07 18:24:23 * KittyHeather purrs
Oct 07 18:24:30 <cryptk|work> also, the touchstone covers are kind of a soft matte color whereas the stock backs are gloss black
Oct 07 18:24:40 <cryptk|work> but that go's out the door with the artist backs and coloroed backs
Oct 07 18:26:12 <KittyHeather> heh
Oct 07 18:26:27 <KittyHeather> i'm going to shop around for a case later ... i haz no money now
Oct 07 18:31:58 <swisstomcat> it's chuqui .. /me bows
Oct 07 18:33:43 * KittyHeather looks around, then curtsies because swisstomcat is bowing
Oct 07 18:33:56 <swisstomcat> meow
Oct 07 18:34:49 <idontwan2know> I've been surprised at how robust my Pre is, considering the stories.
Oct 07 18:35:32 <KittyHeather> yeah, I was told it was a POS, only issues I've had is the N key on my keyboard, and the continuing stubborness of getting yahoo messenger to stay working
Oct 07 18:35:37 <idontwan2know> I've dropped it at least 8-10 times onto tile or concrete and other than a few pits in the plastic it's still ticking along just fine
Oct 07 18:35:42 <swisstomcat> who told you it was a POS?
Oct 07 18:35:45 <idontwan2know> without a case
Oct 07 18:37:16 <idontwan2know> actually, check that....I did drop it directly on the power button and have to have that reseated by a sprint tech
Oct 07 18:37:33 <idontwan2know> but that's hardly a big deal
Oct 07 18:37:55 <KittyHeather> a friend of mine ... said the it would stop working in a year ... i said i have an extended warrantee
Oct 07 18:40:03 <idontwan2know> My phones never make it past a year anyway...I'm hard on them.
Oct 07 18:40:16 <idontwan2know> Last one went for a swim in a cup of diet sunkist
Oct 07 18:41:32 <idontwan2know> Got tired of having to buy a new phone without an upgrade every other year.
Oct 07 18:41:45 <idontwan2know> one of the reasons I switched to Sprint
Oct 07 18:45:41 <rburakou> Hello everyone! Maybe somebody can help me on my question. I am the developer of a music player app for webOS. The problem is: I cannot see my app (Amigo: com.palm.amigo) in preware. I see it on the PC homebrew apps page and on http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral,  but when I remove it from my Pre and then reload preware feeds - i can't find it there to download and install. The app is also visible in webOS QI. Thanks 
Oct 07 18:50:49 <rwhitby> shows up in Preware for me. You should set the "Feed" field in the Source: line to "PreCentral"
Oct 07 18:52:15 * balrog-k1n today sent his Palm Pre to about 300m above ground level attached to a kite and taking pictures
Oct 07 18:53:02 <rburakou> sorry, Rod, what "source: line"?
Oct 07 18:55:03 <rwhitby> rburakou: in the control file in the .ipk
Oct 07 18:57:18 <rburakou> oh, thank you, I created the ipk using IpkPackager13 maybe missed it
Oct 07 19:33:13 <rburakou> thanks for helping! bye!
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