**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 09 02:59:57 2010
Oct 09 03:04:53 <Zen00> Bit the bullet and bought one of those $10 Centro 1350mah batteries off ebay, wonder what I'll get.
Oct 09 03:10:15 <SineOt> Something vaguely battery shaped that hopefully functions like a batteryt oo? ;p
Oct 09 03:14:39 <Zen00> Or something that actually has only 900mah.
Oct 09 03:14:45 <Zen00> I love Dr. Battery.
Oct 09 03:15:34 <phil_bw> hey guys, quick question.  I've paid no attention to pre tethering in the past, oh year.  I'm going to be without internet in a few days and I'm curious what the prefered method is these days.  Used MyTether back in the day, but I don't know if that's still the way to go.
Oct 09 03:18:56 <dtzWill> phil_bw: i like freetehter to set ip forwarding then just usb tether, fwiw.
Oct 09 03:19:51 <phil_bw> dtzWill, long time no chat :)  any good setup guides around?  I've been searching precentral for about 20 min now...
Oct 09 03:20:54 <dtzWill> phil_bw: I don't know any. I don't think freetether is in preware anymore? although might be in the ipkg servers regardless...
Oct 09 03:21:05 <SineOt> It should be, I think..?
Oct 09 03:21:09 <phil_bw> ah
Oct 09 03:21:20 <dtzWill> phil_bw: I don't like wifi/bluetooth tethering generally, I just like usb it's fast sipmle and keeps phone charged all the while :)
Oct 09 03:21:26 <phil_bw> there are so many bloody ways to tether a Pre, even a technical user such as myself gets confused...
Oct 09 03:21:28 <dtzWill> so i personally have never done too much more :/.
Oct 09 03:21:34 <dtzWill> phil_bw: but yes good to see you :)
Oct 09 03:21:36 <phil_bw> yeah I'd love to go USB myself
Oct 09 03:22:01 <dtzWill> phil_bw: what OS? windows i think needed some work for usbnet iirc
Oct 09 03:22:01 <SineOt> I went with USB personally just because it's simple
Oct 09 03:22:12 <dtzWill> phil_bw: linux most distributions just work
Oct 09 03:22:20 <SineOt> add in a foot long USB cable from Monoprice and it's a sweet little set up
Oct 09 03:22:34 <phil_bw> I've got all sorts of usb cables kicking around
Oct 09 03:22:46 <phil_bw> from the oem one, to short, to long, to retractable...
Oct 09 03:23:37 * phil_bw gets out the shovel and fires up Preware
Oct 09 03:24:08 <phil_bw> freeTetherD - Network Routing and Address Translation Service
Oct 09 03:24:10 <phil_bw> that one?
Oct 09 03:24:25 <SineOt> There should also be freeTether
Oct 09 03:24:30 <SineOt> the front end mojo app
Oct 09 03:24:36 <phil_bw> hm, didn't come up in a search
Oct 09 03:27:38 <dtzWill> phil_bw: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/us.ryanhope.freetether_0.0.1_all.ipk :)
Oct 09 03:27:52 <dtzWill> thought it didn't show up. don't remember why/if that's intentional or what
Oct 09 03:28:20 <phil_bw> I'm pretty sure I have all of the WebOS internals feeds setup too
Oct 09 03:28:24 <phil_bw> I'll just type it in manually
Oct 09 03:29:36 <phil_bw> downloading
Oct 09 03:30:08 <phil_bw> doesn't show up, so I think I'll rescan
Oct 09 03:30:52 <phil_bw> and there we have it, dtzWill thanks for the link... now to figure out the usb part
Oct 09 03:31:02 <dtzWill> phil_bw: what OS?
Oct 09 03:31:08 <phil_bw> Win7
Oct 09 03:31:18 <dtzWill> phil_bw: and i think that frontend needs the freetetherd too? seems lke it would
Oct 09 03:31:48 <phil_bw> yep, got that too
Oct 09 03:31:57 <dtzWill> phil_bw: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_networking_setup looks useful
Oct 09 03:32:08 <dtzWill> (I can't speak for windows instructions, or the current best way, not having tried it myself)
Oct 09 03:32:08 <phil_bw> ah of course...
Oct 09 03:32:22 <phil_bw> been fartin around on precentral, should have been at webos-internals... long day
Oct 09 03:33:47 <phil_bw> rebooting the pre now, it's been forever since I played with any of this
Oct 09 03:34:09 <phil_bw> so dtzWill any fun new projects?
Oct 09 03:34:32 <dtzWill> phil_bw: not particularly. emulators mostly :)
Oct 09 03:34:51 <rwhitby> hey phil_bw
Oct 09 03:35:00 <phil_bw> ah fun stuff, I got bored of the stuff I was doing so I switched gears and learned C++
Oct 09 03:35:14 <phil_bw> wrote a pretty decent yahtzee game in SDL
Oct 09 03:35:17 <phil_bw> hey rwhitby
Oct 09 03:35:52 <dtzWill> phil_bw: excellent :D. look forward to seeing it :)
Oct 09 03:35:59 <phil_bw> I'm sick of the lack of multiplayer games available that work over wifi/internet... so I'm writing a few
Oct 09 03:39:11 <phil_bw> I'll be back in a sec, testing connection
Oct 09 03:40:19 <dtzWill> alright i gotta go. enjoy/gl :).
Oct 09 03:40:25 <dtzWill> good to see you phil_bw  :)
Oct 09 03:46:44 <Zen00> On this episode of PreBusters, will the "Mansion" really have an 800/480 screen? Does a front facing camera make its debut? Will we finally see the OMAP4 processor!? Don't miss a thing on this next episode of PreBusters, coming up next!
Oct 09 03:48:22 <bpadalino> do a lot of people really like the idea of a front facing camera ?
Oct 09 03:48:52 * oil will never use it
Oct 09 03:48:57 <bpadalino> omap4 will happen in january if ever
Oct 09 03:49:02 <bpadalino> not before
Oct 09 03:49:36 <Zen00> Yeah, I'd never use a front facing camera either, at least I think so, you never know though, if I had one that might change.
Oct 09 03:49:59 <SineOt> it's one of those things that for a lot of people is "I'd never use it" *gets one* "It's pretty cool"
Oct 09 03:51:21 <bpadalino> maybe i'd use it to check my neckbeard for cheeto residue .. yeah, that would be pretty cool!
Oct 09 03:51:32 <Zen00> Pimple check.
Oct 09 03:52:15 <SineOt> lol
Oct 09 03:52:50 <Zen00> I mean, what's the use of "Facetime" if it only works with iPhones, not everyone has one, then again,most phones don't have a front camera either.
Oct 09 03:53:47 <SineOt> aside from the whole "it's got to start somewhere" aspect of it all
Oct 09 03:53:56 <SineOt> it's a value add for others using the same phones
Oct 09 03:54:08 <SineOt> like BBM being a value add for folks with Blackberry
Oct 09 03:55:18 <Zen00> Value add, hmmm.
Oct 09 03:55:28 <tmzt_> or an internet connection
Oct 09 03:55:47 <SineOt> also the other end of the spectrum has stuff like Qik on the Evo/Epic and some new Tmo phone
Oct 09 03:55:54 <tmzt_> Zen00: it's supposed to be an 'open standard' but I haven't seen anything about it
Oct 09 03:56:00 <SineOt> so now you have 3 models with video chat across 2 carriers
Oct 09 03:56:39 <Zen00> I wonder what value I would like added to a Pre.
Oct 09 03:57:49 <Zen00> I really don't want HDMI out.
Oct 09 03:57:53 <phil_bw> blah, nothing...
Oct 09 03:58:00 <Zen00> It's stupid to add HDMI to a phone.
Oct 09 03:58:11 <Zen00> There's better things to play back HD content with.
Oct 09 03:58:29 <SineOt> Like... A TV connected via HDMI? c_c
Oct 09 03:58:33 <bpadalino> wow, really ? HDMI out is something i would dig ..
Oct 09 03:58:38 <halfhalo> Same
Oct 09 03:58:42 <halfhalo> I would love hdmi out
Oct 09 03:58:54 <Zen00> A good standard USB plug is all that's needed, not like the proprietary junk from Sony Ericisson.
Oct 09 03:58:55 <halfhalo> then I could watch stuff on the projector at work!
Oct 09 03:59:00 <Zen00> :p
Oct 09 03:59:08 <Zen00> I'm sure the boss would love that.
Oct 09 03:59:09 <bpadalino> as much as i hate why HDMI was invented ..
Oct 09 03:59:16 <halfhalo> Yup
Oct 09 03:59:21 <bpadalino> i like the idea of being able to grab stuff and display it out easily
Oct 09 03:59:22 <halfhalo> Heh, we watched the WC on it
Oct 09 03:59:34 <halfhalo> ESPN live streaming ftw
Oct 09 03:59:48 <Zen00> Yeah, but who carries around an HDMI cable just for that reason? I don't.
Oct 09 03:59:50 <bpadalino> hell, imagine an NES emu where you put the HDMI out being the NES emu and your phone is the controller ..
Oct 09 04:00:00 <SineOt> well, simple really
Oct 09 04:00:01 <halfhalo> There already is an hdmi cable :p
Oct 09 04:00:08 <bpadalino> it would be amusing
Oct 09 04:00:12 <SineOt> if there's a TV with HDMI it probably already has a cable!
Oct 09 04:00:21 <SineOt> just unplug the DVD player or whatever and use that
Oct 09 04:00:41 <Zen00> But a mini-HDMI?
Oct 09 04:00:49 <Zen00> That's what you'd have on a phone.
Oct 09 04:00:53 <halfhalo> mey, why not?
Oct 09 04:00:58 <Zen00> Not the full HDMI everything else uses.
Oct 09 04:03:32 <oil> bpadalino: nes emu setup sounds awesome
Oct 09 04:03:59 <Zen00> Meh, the touchscreen has never been sensitive enough to make a really effective controller.
Oct 09 04:04:16 <Zen00> That's one thing I want the Pre 2 to have, a really sensitive screen.
Oct 09 04:04:27 <halfhalo> glass screen pls
Oct 09 04:04:29 <Zen00> The current one has the worst out of all the major smartphones.
Oct 09 04:04:44 <oil> [citation needed]
Oct 09 04:04:51 <Zen00> According to independant testing results I saw four months ago.
Oct 09 04:04:56 <oil> lol
Oct 09 04:05:24 <bpadalino> link to test ?
Oct 09 04:05:44 <SineOt> it was on engadget, I was looking for it but couldn't find it
Oct 09 04:05:54 <SineOt> but from what I remember of it, while the Pre wasn't the best it wasn't the worst either
Oct 09 04:05:57 <bpadalino> i saw something saying it was good when appropriate pressure was applied, but not as good on soft touches ..
Oct 09 04:06:28 <bpadalino> most of my touch screen issues have been essentially with responsiveness and not accuracy
Oct 09 04:06:45 <bpadalino> but the responsiveness aspect is strictly a software thing
Oct 09 04:06:45 <Zen00> This article links to that article.
Oct 09 04:06:46 <Zen00> http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=1E15ADB4-1A64-6A71-CE689AC65CD2AFB5
Oct 09 04:07:28 <bpadalino> oh, labs.moto.com ends up going to cisco
Oct 09 04:07:30 <Zen00> Many games I play involve rapid touching, in which I can usually touch about 50% faster than the screen responds.
Oct 09 04:07:33 <bpadalino> and that redirect is no good
Oct 09 04:07:38 <SineOt> and 404ing
Oct 09 04:07:47 <bpadalino> Zen00: so it's a responsiveness issue, not an accuracy issue
Oct 09 04:08:30 <bpadalino> Zen00: go into the touchscreen hardware test and see how quickly that responds - i bet you'll find the results surprising .. as well as the 11 points it handles.. just for giggles
Oct 09 04:08:45 <Zen00> Mostly, yes, but it is somewhat inaccurate as well (as seen in my frustrating 3 hour ordeal trying to do a highly accurate task in the SCUMMvm emulator that normaly would have been 2 minutes).
Oct 09 04:08:51 <SineOt> I've always wondered where that 11th point would come from
Oct 09 04:09:15 <bpadalino> SineOt: your friend
Oct 09 04:09:29 <SineOt> is that what they're calling them these days ;o
Oct 09 04:11:05 <phil_bw2> woohoo, got it working :)
Oct 09 04:11:19 <oil> got what working?
Oct 09 04:11:25 <halfhalo> the nuke?
Oct 09 04:11:30 <halfhalo> oh, wait, thats me
Oct 09 04:11:56 <Zen00> I can run my finger over those black boxes and make them green much faster than the screen can process. :(
Oct 09 04:12:45 <oil> but thats not a touchscreen issue
Oct 09 04:12:47 <oil> its software
Oct 09 04:13:17 <Zen00> Then I want better software. WebOS 2 please!
Oct 09 04:13:25 <halfhalo> 20 bucks
Oct 09 04:15:10 <Zen00> Sounds reasonable, any catch?
Oct 09 04:15:41 <halfhalo> no guarantee I won't just cut and run
Oct 09 04:16:10 <Zen00> 30 bucks then.
Oct 09 04:16:21 <halfhalo> 300
Oct 09 04:16:21 <Zen00> And a brown note.
Oct 09 04:17:23 <Zen00> Next up, Guild Wars. Now if only my guild had members.
Oct 09 08:04:04 <marvin_> hello is anyong around?
Oct 09 08:06:12 <marvin_> earth to palm pre users! :)
Oct 09 08:56:55 <geist> no
Oct 09 09:45:15 <Duan> Hello
Oct 09 17:07:24 <jhopixi> does digg.com render properly for anyone using the webos browser?
Oct 09 17:16:36 <ryan[WIN]> jhopixi, i am a redditor, but i will try to load digg.com
Oct 09 17:16:57 <jhopixi> reddit renders fine
Oct 09 17:17:03 <ryan[WIN]> i will put aside my beef
Oct 09 17:17:07 <jhopixi> digg not so much
Oct 09 17:17:41 <ryan[WIN]> all the stories look blank?
Oct 09 17:17:45 <jhopixi> I'm just testing out the mobile  interfaces for different web sites
Oct 09 17:18:05 <jhopixi> yeah
Oct 09 17:18:13 <ryan[WIN]> digg fails pretty spectacularly
Oct 09 17:18:20 <jhopixi> I just see blotches of blue & yellow
Oct 09 17:18:23 <ryan[WIN]> have no idea how they managed to pull that off
Oct 09 17:18:44 <jhopixi> oh well
Oct 09 17:19:02 <jhopixi> it could be a webos browser fail too
Oct 09 17:19:19 <jhopixi> there are some sites that just don't render
Oct 09 17:19:52 <ryan[WIN]> most likely code fail
Oct 09 17:19:54 <ryan[WIN]> webos is just webkit
Oct 09 17:20:15 <ryan[WIN]> a lot of dumb idiot coders do something like this
Oct 09 17:20:37 <ryan[WIN]> if(browser==IE) else if(browser==FIREFOX) else if(browser==OPERA) etc.
Oct 09 17:21:06 <ryan[WIN]> so one that doesn't identify that way slips through on only some of the render code
Oct 09 17:43:01 <jhojho> actually
Oct 09 17:43:20 <jhojho> if you click through via reddit's mobile interface
Oct 09 17:43:30 <jhojho> it fails on some pages
Oct 09 17:43:37 <jhojho> for example try the top link
Oct 09 20:19:21 <SineOt> Pixi overclock? :o
Oct 09 20:32:18 <SineOt> rwhitby: ping
Oct 09 20:38:15 <jhojho> he's sleeping
Oct 09 20:38:52 <jhojho> okay 3 seconds shaved in sunspider...
Oct 09 20:57:21 <SineOt> ah
Oct 09 20:59:00 <SineOt> anyone know why, for testing, it's an ATT pixi plus wanted?
Oct 09 21:08:55 <jhojho> coz that's what i have?
Oct 09 21:09:39 <SineOt> so you've got your ATT Pixi Plus overclocked and want another to test it against? I think
Oct 09 21:19:54 <SineOt> this pixi overclock stuff has me excited :p
Oct 09 21:27:43 <jhojho> bbl
Oct 09 21:54:06 <SineOt> where should I report about the Pixi overclock uImage? :o
Oct 09 21:55:59 <SineOt> it boots on a Sprint Pixi, clocks fine without issue all the way up to 787.2mhz, but... Won't launch PDK apps
Oct 09 22:09:57 <rwhitby> morning
Oct 09 22:11:58 <SineOt> morning
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