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Oct 11 05:07:56 * phil_bw wanders by
Oct 11 05:10:25 <ka6sox> morning
Oct 11 05:11:05 <phil_bw> how goes it?
Oct 11 05:11:20 <ka6sox> busy as ever...lots of things to work on.
Oct 11 05:12:11 <phil_bw> ah, I'm finally settling down for the night.  Move tomorrow so it's been a busy day
Oct 11 05:12:32 <ka6sox> Move? hopefully for the better!
Oct 11 05:13:36 <phil_bw> yeah definitely, luckily my boss is going to help me and he has a triple axle enclosed car hauler.  so basically one trip
Oct 11 05:14:24 <ka6sox> kewl...that helps...the worst move I ever did was <1block distant...it was 3weeks of nightmare.
Oct 11 05:15:19 <phil_bw> oh wow, yeah this a more than a block, worst move ever for me wasn't a move at all, was when we had the carpet replaced in our old place
Oct 11 05:15:34 <phil_bw> had to all get done at the same time...
Oct 11 05:15:47 <ka6sox> thats a "move"
Oct 11 05:16:08 <phil_bw> had to pack stuff up and move it to the kitchen and bathroom
Oct 11 05:16:52 <ka6sox> ewww...not fun
Oct 11 05:17:17 <phil_bw> basically moved all of one bedroom in to the other, pull up the carpet, move it all in to the other, pull up it's carpet, move it all back and have the new stuff put in, move it all back, etc etc
Oct 11 05:18:02 <phil_bw> oh the memories
Oct 11 05:19:14 <phil_bw> anyhow, you ever do any OpenGL programming?
Oct 11 05:20:13 <ka6sox> nope..thats too high level for me
Oct 11 05:21:32 <phil_bw> ah, I'm contemplating learning it.  I'm working on a game in c++ using SDL and it works fantastic, but I want better ability to port to other platforms
Oct 11 05:23:04 <ka6sox> GL...thats all stuff that is over my head...99% of the stuff I do is hardware specific.
Oct 11 05:23:47 <phil_bw> yeah we all have our specialties
Oct 11 05:24:17 <phil_bw> I did business software for years, finally got bored of it, so I moved to games
Oct 11 05:24:24 <SineOt> doesn't SDL port nicely to other platforms already?
Oct 11 05:24:46 <phil_bw> yes if the platforms aren't named iOS or Android
Oct 11 05:24:48 <ka6sox> many years ago I did scientific programming (in a language that is probably still in use today)
Oct 11 05:25:24 <phil_bw> which lang?
Oct 11 05:25:36 <ka6sox> Fortran 77
Oct 11 05:25:47 <phil_bw> heard of, never used it
Oct 11 05:26:06 <SineOt> ah
Oct 11 05:26:06 <ka6sox> well..it was the Cray version of F77
Oct 11 05:26:09 <phil_bw> apparently some SDL programmers still use Fortran believe it or not
Oct 11 05:26:36 <phil_bw> I'm guessin you're a bit older than I
Oct 11 05:26:37 <ka6sox> for what we needed to do there wasn't much choice
Oct 11 05:27:08 <SineOt> you'd think SDL of all things would be on Android already
Oct 11 05:28:16 <phil_bw> yeah, apparently there's an unofficial port but it's sketchy at best
Oct 11 05:28:52 <ka6sox> dang..I guess its still used by Weather Gurus and Computational Fluid Dynamics...heavy stuff
Oct 11 05:29:18 <phil_bw> well you use what works
Oct 11 05:29:38 <ka6sox> with 50+yrs of codebase I guess so.
Oct 11 05:29:43 <SineOt> or in most cases, you use what you know
Oct 11 05:30:04 <phil_bw> I wrote PalmOS software in a VB6 clone and got by just fine, now I'm on to C++
Oct 11 06:54:24 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 11 07:10:23 <hape_> moin
Oct 11 07:24:11 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 11 15:37:15 <drnull> Does anybody know where the vibration mechanism is physically located in the Pre?  I did the AT&T Pre Plus -> Sprint Pre Plus conversion this weekend and just discovered that there is no vibration (even downloaded some silly shaver app from the catalog that should vibrate).
Oct 11 15:37:20 <drnull> Just trying to figure out what I goofed.
Oct 11 15:37:37 <halfhalo> Its up near the speakerphone
Oct 11 15:37:53 <halfhalo> and the same thing happened to me when I did vzw pre plus to sprint pre plus
Oct 11 15:38:22 <halfhalo> the little foam liner wrapped around the vibrating thingamajiger and locked it up
Oct 11 15:38:48 <drnull> awesome, thanks for that!  Pulling out my T5 *again*
Oct 11 15:39:46 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 11 15:44:57 <mikePre> anyone know if I can run the same script that Save/Restore does from a terminal?  screen cracked and no input on the touch screen is being recognized
Oct 11 16:07:47 <drnull> thanks, halfhalo, vibration is working again.
Oct 11 16:07:56 <halfhalo> np
Oct 11 16:11:48 <mikePre> anyone know of way to use KB to get around in Applications? screen cracked and I can see everything on it, but nothing is being registered when I tap the screen
Oct 11 16:12:07 <mikePre> trying to run save/restore 1 last time before I move to my new Pre arriving tomorrow
Oct 11 16:38:22 <drnull> mikePre: if you have shell access on the Pre, have you tried some of the commands listed here?  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SaveRestore
Oct 11 16:38:58 <drnull> you should have a /var/svc/org.webosinternals.saverestore directory, so try some of the "sh -x /var/svc...." etc steps listed there, maybe they will work?
Oct 11 16:42:08 <mikePre> i will try those, I do have shell access. I will try running those with the save at the end, and see how that goes
Oct 11 16:42:09 <mikePre> thanks
Oct 11 16:42:47 <drnull> np, I've never tried it personally, but it looks like it could be something at least to play with while you wait for the new Pre.
Oct 11 16:45:59 <mikePre> awesome man, worked like a charm, created new backups of my apps
Oct 11 16:46:54 <drnull> good to know in case I'm ever in a similar fix!
Oct 11 16:47:13 <mikePre> im just gonna run a script to run it on all of the file sin there, and for apps I dont have, i guess it wont hurt....but since I cant use my phone as is, how can i hurt it anymore
Oct 11 16:47:47 <mikePre> now to get preware to save my installed apps....since I have the prompt on load, i have aYes/No question I cant get past...
Oct 11 16:48:02 <drnull> lol, try it on one that you don't have just to see what it does, but yeah, you're right.
Oct 11 16:48:13 <drnull> Hmm, even without that prompt, you'd still have to click to save the installed apps.
Oct 11 16:48:32 <mikePre> right, unless I can find another backdoor like the save/Restore one...
Oct 11 17:00:58 <mikePre> does anybody know if there is a way to run the Save Package List from preware through the command line?
Oct 11 17:02:54 <drnull> I don't see anything, personally.  I think you could get preware to do it itself with 2 1-line changes to the source, if you're up to a little on-device application editing?  Do you have any experience with webOS app development?
Oct 11 17:03:36 <drnull> I'll start by saying that I wouldn't recommend this to anybody as I'm not sure what will happen having never tried it myself.  I just thought I'd read through the source some.
Oct 11 17:04:15 <drnull> All the source is in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.preware/app/assistants
Oct 11 17:04:24 <drnull> First, you need to force updates, so in update-assistant.js, line 6, change "this.force = force;" to "this.force = true"
Oct 11 17:04:38 <drnull> You could set the updateInterval to manual and skip that step, but this should be easier as a source change
Oct 11 17:04:45 <drnull> Next, you need to make the main-asssistant save off the package list once it is loaded.
Oct 11 17:04:49 <drnull> One way to do that: in main-assistant.js, around line 120 or so in the activate function, you should call packages.loadSavedDefault();
Oct 11 17:06:13 <drnull> Assuming you see the "Preware: Wrote Saved Package List" banner after preware loads up, you should be good.
Oct 11 17:09:04 <PullingJ> the giftbox have no item limit now, or is it only halloween_candy that seems to have no limit?
Oct 11 17:09:17 <PullingJ> nm, wrong channel sorry
Oct 11 17:25:36 <hemna> where does the emulator store the image it boots from?
Oct 11 17:39:14 <mikePre> drnull, you are backup saver....all I did was change the this.force = true, restarted preware, and it loaded, updated feeds, and saved the package list all in one swoop....
Oct 11 17:39:35 <mikePre> now I have all my save/restore files including my preware saved package list
Oct 11 17:40:15 <drnull> heh, cool.  I didn't know it would do that just when you loaded preware.  Great to hear!
Oct 11 18:27:42 <StreetGeek> hmmm
Oct 11 19:00:33 <xbones21x> can the palm pre on verizon for tethering or has verizon put a stop to it?
Oct 11 19:01:41 <halfhalo> the pre plus on vzw has free mhs
Oct 11 19:02:15 <xbones21x> mhs?
Oct 11 19:02:24 <halfhalo> mobile hot spot
Oct 11 19:02:44 <halfhalo> its free on vzw
Oct 11 19:03:44 <xbonesx> no kidding how is that possible? don't they fees for that like 30 a month?
Oct 11 19:03:59 <halfhalo> not on the pre plus
Oct 11 19:04:02 <halfhalo> its free
Oct 11 19:06:03 <xbonesx> wow I didn't know that... better phone and free tethering
Oct 11 19:06:39 <summatusmentis> did you guys see the stuff leaked by a french carrier?
Oct 11 19:06:58 <xbonesx> ?
Oct 11 19:07:04 <summatusmentis> 1Ghz, 512MB ram, codename roadrunner, similar size to pre
Oct 11 19:07:16 <summatusmentis> http://www.precentral.net/sfr-outs-palm-pre-2-1ghz-processor-and-512mb-ram
Oct 11 19:10:04 <xbonesx> nice
Oct 11 19:11:05 * dtzWill wants a release date
Oct 11 19:11:26 <dtzWill> surely somewhere in those screenshots they announced when it's available :)
Oct 11 19:11:40 <xbonesx> me too, have you gotten the webos 2.0 sdk?
Oct 11 19:12:30 <summatusmentis> even if someone has, they're under NDA
Oct 11 19:12:35 <dtzWill> xbonesx: i can neither confirm nor deny :)
Oct 11 19:12:50 <dtzWill> from what i hear membership is part of the NDA as well.
Oct 11 19:15:18 <xbonesx> I'm sure as a big time dev that you were accepted
Oct 11 19:16:09 <xbonesx> is it good?
Oct 11 19:16:43 <dtzWill> xbonesx: if membership is in the NDA talking about it definitely is :). per the channel topic, that means it's not something to discuss here, sorry :)
Oct 11 19:21:10 <dtzWill> i can't wait to get that palm pre 2, 'incremental' update or no.
Oct 11 19:21:28 <dtzWill> particularly as an original palm pre user :)
Oct 11 19:23:51 <chrisa> They don't know what carriers will have it though
Oct 11 19:25:26 <dtzWill> chrisa: yeppers, but i'm hoping that there'll be some hackery to make me happy :). we'll see.
Oct 11 19:25:34 <mikewx> my orig pre is getting pretty sad, even if it is my 3rd or 4th one due to hw failures i still consider it the frist since i waited in line on launch day for it :)
Oct 11 19:26:05 <dtzWill> jhojho: you're right, the quicker animations patch DOES seem to make things go faster, despite what I said :).
Oct 11 19:26:15 <dtzWill> (having tried it for a few days now)
Oct 11 19:26:23 <dtzWill> unexpected, but hey i'm not complaning.
Oct 11 19:26:27 <mikewx> the 3gs in my other pocket is actually very tempting to use. (i bought it from a friend upgrading to iphone4, just use it over wifi as an ipod) there are some nice pda apps for it
Oct 11 19:26:34 <dtzWill> s/complan/complain/
Oct 11 19:26:36 <infobot> dtzWill meant: unexpected, but hey i'm not complaining.
Oct 11 19:26:38 <dtzWill> ~botsnack
Oct 11 19:26:38 <infobot> :), dtzWill
Oct 11 19:26:52 <xbones21x> I wonder if 2.0 will put a stop to any of the hacks?
Oct 11 19:33:04 <dtzWill> xbones21x: no idea :).
Oct 11 19:33:18 <dtzWill> ideally of course would be if it came out for sprint :D
Oct 11 19:34:02 <xbones21x> why you say that?
Oct 11 19:34:46 <dtzWill> xbones21x: because I have sprint, and i want one...and am eligible for an upgrade :).
Oct 11 19:41:11 <xbonesx> I wish I could get my hands on 2.0
Oct 11 19:46:45 <mikewx> dtzWill: yeah, sprint here too, for over 10 years. i'm not likely to leave them
Oct 11 19:49:18 <PuffTheMagic> pre 2 wont be coming to sprint
Oct 11 19:52:07 <idontwan2know> PuffTheMagic: what makes you say that?
Oct 11 19:52:57 <PuffTheMagic> its a gsm phone
Oct 11 19:53:10 <PuffTheMagic> and hardly an upgrade to the pre
Oct 11 19:53:12 <PuffTheMagic> wait for CES
Oct 11 19:53:17 <PuffTheMagic> and 4g
Oct 11 20:03:19 <chrisa> You're speaking pretty confidently about something you've never seen
Oct 11 20:17:12 <idontwan2know> indeed...there may be another phone, but I think this one will probably come to all carriers
Oct 11 20:17:37 <idontwan2know> the question is whether it will be positioned as a premium device
Oct 11 20:18:39 <chrisa> Hard to say. Pre and Pixi did not sell well
Oct 11 20:18:48 <chrisa> So who knows if all the carriers want anything new
Oct 11 20:19:15 <idontwan2know> I would like to think that the Pre2 will be a mid-range device, at or around $100 on contract and that there will be a new high end device
Oct 11 20:19:26 <idontwan2know> but that's more wishful thinking than anything else
Oct 11 20:25:03 <PuffTheMagic> chrisa, well SFR def doesnt have a CDMA/PCS network, so ya, im pretty sure its GSM
Oct 11 20:26:50 <chrisa> Pre had both models and you just claimed it's basically "hardly an upgrade"
Oct 11 20:26:56 <chrisa> So why would it not be both potentially?
Oct 11 20:27:33 <PuffTheMagic> what carrier in their right mind would want another 3g phone at this point
Oct 11 20:29:58 <chrisa> Well, lets see. How large is LTE/4g saturation? Pathetically small? What are nearly all Android/iOS/W7 devices? Not 4g/lte?
Oct 11 20:30:15 <chrisa> It's not at a point where it's worth pushing for yet
Oct 11 20:30:36 <chrisa> Despite what the Epic people paying $10 a month for absolutely nothing dream for
Oct 11 20:31:38 <PuffTheMagic> chrisa, i would agree as a consumer buying a 4g now is useless, but thats not what the carriers want people to thing
Oct 11 20:31:49 <mikewx> 7g will be out before I see 4g here in central iowa. 3g is still "new" on at&t in some areas around here.
Oct 11 20:32:07 <mikewx> spring has been 3g for ages but our other carriers have just recently caught up
Oct 11 20:32:11 <mikewx> s/spring/sprint
Oct 11 20:32:15 <chrisa> The carriers are not telling the mfts to push 4g/lte yet
Oct 11 20:33:33 <dtzWill> 3g is plenty good enough for me, i just want better coverage :).
Oct 11 20:35:01 <idontwan2know> most of the new phones for at *least* the next 6 months will be 3g
Oct 11 20:36:23 <PuffTheMagic> idontwan2know, right
Oct 11 20:36:41 <PuffTheMagic> 4g stuff announced at CES, then 6+ months to roll out
Oct 11 20:36:42 <mikewx> remember when the iphone first shipped? it wasn't even 3g. We all know what a dismal failure that was </sarcasm> 4G just doesn't matter yet.
Oct 11 20:37:28 <PuffTheMagic> mikewx, it doesnt matter, and it does, 4g is around the corner, who wants to buy a phone in the near future only for it to be out of date in a few months
Oct 11 20:37:36 <PuffTheMagic> most people dont upgrade their phone every quarter
Oct 11 20:38:34 <xcomp_> yeah, I'm holding out until CES for the mansion/whatever Palm is going to announce then. It must have at least a 800x480 display, dual core CPU and be available on Sprint. Otherwise I don't know how if Palm can retain my loyalty much longer.
Oct 11 20:39:27 <mikewx> PuffTheMagic: the average lifespan of a cellphone released in january, they'll have already replaced it by the time 4g arrives
Oct 11 20:39:50 <mikewx> sprint is new phone every 12mo, you figure many prolly still wait the 2years
Oct 11 20:40:28 <SineOt> sprint is new phone every 12... if you're the only line or the main line on the account. rest of your family plan has to wait 2 years :I
Oct 11 20:40:29 <mikewx> a faster processor and more ram for a snappier UI is going to be 10x more important than putting in a 4g modem that even at the end of the product's life 75% of the customers won't be uisng
Oct 11 20:40:33 <xcomp_> well my pre wouldn't have lasted 12 months if webOS wasn't so friggin' awesome.
Oct 11 20:40:57 <mikewx> <==-- Palm user since the Newton.
Oct 11 20:41:13 <mikewx> My Pre wouldn't have lasted 12 months if Sprint had had an iPhone. Sorry, but it's true.
Oct 11 20:41:34 <mikewx> even a year in, our app selection is sad
Oct 11 20:42:00 <xcomp_> the uverse integration on WP7 is really, really tempting
Oct 11 20:42:17 <mikewx> WebOS is an awesome OS, but it's got no traction.
Oct 11 20:42:21 <xcomp_> i was almost considering the switch and then I remembered WP7 can't multitask
Oct 11 20:42:29 <idontwan2know> xcomp_: or copy/paste
Oct 11 20:42:54 <xcomp_> i could survive the no copy/paste, but no multitasking is just retarded.
Oct 11 20:42:57 <idontwan2know> releasing a smartphone OS in 2011 without multitasking or copy/paste is just bizarre
Oct 11 20:42:58 <mikewx> i'm hopeful HP will throw some of their marketing muscle behind it to fix that, and maybe leverage their enterprise solutions to have a few hits at BB
Oct 11 20:43:49 <idontwan2know> still, they obviously have the carrier and manufacturer support behind them and that goes a long way
Oct 11 20:44:07 <xcomp_> uverse was a nice move on MS' part though. What most people don't know is that Uverse boxes are already powered by Windows Media Center, just with a different skin
Oct 11 20:44:31 <xcomp_> so it was really easy for them to just port that code over to Xbox and WP7
Oct 11 20:46:44 <idontwan2know> I'm interested in this talk about push facebook notifications...might we finally be seeing the mojo messaging service?
Oct 11 20:47:10 <idontwan2know> Kinda hard to believe that wouldn't be in the SDK beta, though.
Oct 11 20:47:30 <PuffTheMagic> mikewx, you talk like u dont think 2.0 will be released for existing devices
Oct 11 20:47:48 <xcomp_> All I want from WebOS 2.0 is a mic API so we can finally get Skype.
Oct 11 20:47:54 <SineOt> idontwan2know: it could be left out if Palm is only going to open it up to their own apps initially
Oct 11 20:47:56 <mikewx> PuffTheMagic: i'm hopeful that it will be actually, but i'm a bit concerned about performance
Oct 11 20:48:03 <PuffTheMagic> xcomp_, u dont need a mic api for skype
Oct 11 20:48:06 <PuffTheMagic> u can access it now
Oct 11 20:48:08 <PuffTheMagic> write the damn app
Oct 11 20:48:20 <idontwan2know> SineOt: good point...palm apps plus certain approved developers, I'd bet
Oct 11 20:48:32 <PuffTheMagic> mikewx, why would u be worried
Oct 11 20:48:36 <xcomp_> PuffTheMagic: unofficial APIs don't count. :)
Oct 11 20:48:49 <PuffTheMagic> xcomp_, umm...
Oct 11 20:48:54 <PuffTheMagic> there is a big difference
Oct 11 20:49:02 <PuffTheMagic> between using an existing palm api that is unofficial
Oct 11 20:49:04 <PuffTheMagic> and using alsa
Oct 11 20:49:09 <PuffTheMagic> which is not a palm api
Oct 11 20:49:14 <mikewx> right now, by the time my pre wakes up, switches to the phone app, and starts ringing i'm 1/2 way to voicemail, and a good 10-15 seconds slower than my landline ringing or my friend's crappy motorola cellphone (Set them all up with google voice so tehy'd ring about the same time)
Oct 11 20:49:18 <idontwan2know> I did notice a conspicuous lack of updates from the facebook app all of a sudden.
Oct 11 20:49:45 <xcomp_> PuffTheMagic: what I mean is ... I want an official Skype app (my impression was that Skype is proprietary anyway?)
Oct 11 20:49:58 <xcomp_> and that's not going to happen without an official mic api
Oct 11 20:50:15 <eliasp> xcomp_: Skype announced quite some time ago some kind of 'skypelib' which could be used by any application....
Oct 11 20:50:35 <eliasp> xcomp_: although the skypelib itself will be proprietary, you could write your own application using it...
Oct 11 20:50:36 <mikewx> try it, get your friend's cellphone and your pre, hook them up to google voic so they ring at the same time and call it :)
Oct 11 20:50:48 <eliasp> xcomp_: but i haven't heard anything about it since ~1 year
Oct 11 20:50:51 <PuffTheMagic> xcomp_, there are skype libs i beleive
Oct 11 20:51:08 <PuffTheMagic> which means u can make the app now
Oct 11 20:51:18 <xcomp_> hmm ... interesting.
Oct 11 20:52:21 <PuffTheMagic> i've been saying this for moths too
Oct 11 20:52:42 * PuffTheMagic needs to get his decibel meter out asap
Oct 11 20:52:47 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ it uses the mic ;)
Oct 11 20:58:10 <idontwan2know> is an audio tuner possible? it's the one app I've been frustrated at not having since I bought my pre 9 months ago
Oct 11 21:19:21 <SineOt> jhojho: my Pixi runs at about 36-37C, with the uImage posted and OC set to the highest, it would idle around the same
Oct 11 21:27:56 <ka6sox-work> SineOt, thats pretty good.
Oct 11 21:28:03 <ka6sox-work> most pixi's run that hot stock
Oct 11 21:28:22 <SineOt> loading PDK games would hit like 40C but I never saw it go any higher
Oct 11 21:29:05 <SineOt> it does get hotter on the touchstone though but I think that's to be expected :p
Oct 11 21:30:24 <idontwan2know> indeed...my phone gets hotter from charging, especially on the touchstone than overclocking has ever done
Oct 11 21:37:06 <zsoc_wirc> ~seen nt4cats
Oct 11 21:37:11 <infobot> nt4cats <~adenar200@75-149-106-130-NDCEast.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 68d 9h 15m 24s ago, saying: ''lo swissy'.
Oct 11 21:37:23 <zsoc_wirc> ho christ
Oct 11 21:37:45 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 11 21:39:07 <zsoc_wirc> so uh... what's up yall
Oct 11 21:39:44 <halfhalo> nm, you?
Oct 11 21:40:43 <zsoc_wirc> nm
Oct 11 22:30:13 <Mousey> palm pre 2?
Oct 11 22:30:46 <oilsworkn> !
Oct 11 22:30:52 <Mousey> http://www.mobileshop.com/blog/mobile-phone-news/palm-pre-2-details-leak-online/
Oct 11 22:30:59 <halfhalo> yup
Oct 11 22:31:32 <Mousey> also http://palm.sfr.fr/
Oct 11 22:36:58 <keith> should i run f102a or uberkernel?
Oct 11 22:38:50 <rwhitby> depends whether you want a fixed configuration, or want to be able to configure it.
Oct 11 23:35:29 <austineric> help?
Oct 11 23:46:30 <Loudergood> guess it wasn't that urgent
Oct 12 00:01:28 <idontwan2know> apparently
Oct 12 00:03:08 <ka6sox-work> still not a record.
Oct 12 00:03:15 <ka6sox-work> <10seconds is the record.
Oct 12 01:09:05 <xbonesx> I installed the advanced configuration for the launcher, it added some usb passthrough thing, could someone help explain to me what this is and it's use?
Oct 12 01:13:19 <rwhitby> it's a normally hidden app.  unless you know you require it's use, it's best to hide it again.
Oct 12 01:19:12 <chrisa> If you have to ask you should not use it
Oct 12 01:20:45 <summatusmentis> has anyone tried/is it possible to setup your own "palm sync cloud" on your own personal server?
Oct 12 01:21:22 <bpadalino> chrisa, have you started your new job yet ?
Oct 12 01:21:52 <chrisa> couple weeks back
Oct 12 01:22:26 <bpadalino> hows it working out for you ?
Oct 12 01:26:06 <xbonesx> good points, but I was actually wanting to learn about it I'm not a novice user
Oct 12 01:30:42 <xbonesx> <xbonesx> good points, but I was actually wanting to learn about it I'm not a novice user
Oct 12 01:30:58 <xbonesx> bad service sry, typing from wIRC
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