**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 15 02:59:57 2010
Oct 15 03:05:02 <roaddogg1769_> i updated my java. how do i install WebOS?
Oct 15 03:05:36 <webfellow> do you have the link i just gave you?  follow those directions exactly
Oct 15 03:06:00 <roaddogg1769_> I had to restart my computer and lost the link
Oct 15 03:06:14 <webfellow> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install
Oct 15 03:06:16 <webfellow> bookmark it :)
Oct 15 03:06:25 <roaddogg1769_> Thanx!
Oct 15 03:38:48 <webfellow> well for any interested in my fix for a corrupted launcher, i posted on precentral.  cheers: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/265774-how-fix-corrupted-app-launcher-pages-icons-without-doctoring.html
Oct 15 04:13:55 <roaddogg1769> i installed webOS and now i don't know how to access it.
Oct 15 04:15:56 <rwhitby> roaddogg1769: on your phone or the emulator?
Oct 15 04:16:24 <roaddogg1769> my computer.
Oct 15 04:16:49 <rwhitby> on a mac, it's under Applications -> Palm Emulator.app
Oct 15 04:16:51 <roaddogg1769> i have my usb cord hooked up to my computer
Oct 15 04:17:21 <roaddogg1769> its a pc
Oct 15 04:17:38 <rwhitby> And you've installed the Palm SDK ?
Oct 15 04:17:59 <roaddogg1769> the SDK?
Oct 15 04:18:19 <rwhitby> roaddogg1769: what is your goal?
Oct 15 04:18:49 <roaddogg1769> to get cool apps for my palm pixi
Oct 15 04:19:08 <scoutcamper> u installed webos quick install or sdk?
Oct 15 04:19:10 <webfellow> rwhitby: he's trying to install preware via webosquickinstall, i think
Oct 15 04:19:25 <roaddogg1769> and set up features so my battery life of my pixi
Oct 15 04:19:32 <rwhitby> roaddogg1769: have you looked at the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the app catalog?
Oct 15 04:19:45 <roaddogg1769> i will check
Oct 15 04:20:21 <rwhitby> that contains the fulll step-by-step instructions I have provided for accessing homebrew
Oct 15 04:20:26 <webfellow> roaddogg1769: if you have already downloaded WebOSQuickInstaller and are following the directions from the link i gave you, you run WebOSQI by double clicking on it
Oct 15 04:20:47 <webfellow> but yes, i forgot about the new homebrew docs in the app catalog, good call, rwhitby
Oct 15 04:20:52 <webfellow> :)
Oct 15 04:21:13 <roaddogg1769> i cant find the app catalog on my computer
Oct 15 04:21:25 <webfellow> it's on your pixi
Oct 15 04:21:34 <scoutcamper> wait, on your pixi go to app catalog
Oct 15 04:22:38 <roaddogg1769> wheres the app catalog on my pixi
Oct 15 04:22:56 <scoutcamper> on the pull up launcher
Oct 15 04:23:10 <scoutcamper> or type app
Oct 15 04:23:14 <roaddogg1769> im at app catalog
Oct 15 04:23:15 <webfellow> looks like a white shopping bag with "Palm" written on it
Oct 15 04:23:57 <roaddogg1769> under catagories?
Oct 15 04:24:02 <scoutcamper> type preware
Oct 15 04:24:09 <webfellow> when it's open, type Preware, it should be your first result: Preware Homebrew Documentation
Oct 15 04:24:16 <scoutcamper> on main page search preware
Oct 15 04:25:18 <roaddogg1769> gotcha
Oct 15 04:26:35 <roaddogg1769> it"s saying i need to update my payment info, for some reason
Oct 15 04:26:51 <roaddogg1769> i entered my correct password
Oct 15 04:27:09 <SineOtter> did your card expire? :p
Oct 15 04:27:11 <rwhitby> credit card expired?
Oct 15 04:27:25 <roaddogg1769> nope...not til 2012
Oct 15 04:27:47 <roaddogg1769> how do i access my payment info
Oct 15 04:27:54 <rwhitby> app menu
Oct 15 04:28:38 <webfellow> roaddogg1769: swipe down from the top left of your screen for app catalog
Oct 15 04:29:22 <roaddogg1769> im on my software/hardware page
Oct 15 04:30:23 <webfellow> goodnight all, good luck roaddogg1769
Oct 15 04:30:52 <webfellow> exit
Oct 15 04:31:02 <roaddogg1769> ok
Oct 15 04:32:27 <scoutcamper> roaddogg1769, where are you?
Oct 15 04:34:56 <roaddogg1769> on preferences and accounts...my card info is correct, and its not letting me purchase
Oct 15 04:35:13 <SineOtter> Even if it's correct, try resubmitting it
Oct 15 04:35:21 <roaddogg1769> i cant download the preware homebrew app
Oct 15 04:35:37 <rwhitby> go to http://install.preware.org/ instead then
Oct 15 04:35:38 <roaddogg1769> ok...
Oct 15 04:36:26 <roaddogg1769> got it finally...cool
Oct 15 04:36:38 <roaddogg1769> thanx, manm
Oct 15 04:36:42 <roaddogg1769> !
Oct 15 04:36:59 <roaddogg1769> time to get ready for work finally...later
Oct 15 04:39:25 <roaddogg1769> now that all is done and ive got the app for my phone, do i always need to use my pc to install these apps to my phone, or just use the app from my phone
Oct 15 04:47:07 <rwhitby> you only need your PC to install Preware.  after that it's all done on the phone.
Oct 15 04:48:33 <SineOtter> oh, that reminds me: I found a kind of killer Govnah/Mode Switcher bug :(
Oct 15 04:48:46 <SineOtter> since I'm testing the Pixi OC kernels, and membooting them, they disappear after a reboot
Oct 15 04:49:13 <rwhitby> yes, that's what membooting is intended to do
Oct 15 04:49:14 <SineOtter> If ModeSwitch/Govnah attempt to switch to a profile that has a speed that isn't supported by the current kernel, it'll trigger a full device reboot
Oct 15 04:50:08 <rwhitby> interesting.  of course the unclean shutdown failsafe will kick-in on the next boot and allow you to change the profile
Oct 15 04:50:52 <SineOtter> well, what makes it odd is that Govnah has no issue with it by itself
Oct 15 04:50:59 <SineOtter> it's only when being triggered by ModeSwitcher
Oct 15 04:51:58 <rwhitby> sounds like a modeswitcher bug then ;)
Oct 15 04:52:45 <SineOtter> good thing they're both webos-internals apps then I suppose ;P
Oct 15 04:57:22 <rwhitby> yeah, that means anyone can look at the source and work out what the fix should be ;)
Oct 15 05:01:43 <jhojho> interestingly, the 900mhz pixi kernel will die whenever it's plugged in for charging
Oct 15 05:02:03 <jhojho> @ 748mhz, it seems to be fine
Oct 15 05:02:18 <SineOtter> yeah, I haven't noticed anything odd at 748
Oct 15 05:02:29 <SineOtter> Is it only the 897/900 that has issue, or other speeds too?
Oct 15 05:05:05 <jhojho> dunno
Oct 15 05:05:05 <jhojho> i
Oct 15 05:05:15 <jhojho> have primarily been testing at 897
Oct 15 06:12:29 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 15 07:18:41 <Flashpass> Is anyone aware of a method to get all contacts in your palm profile and migrate them to your Google account?
Oct 15 07:24:27 <rwhitby> I believe there is a patch which emails them to you as a CSV
Oct 15 07:24:39 <rwhitby> then you import into Google
Oct 15 07:24:47 <Flashpass> oh yeah? hm let me take a look
Oct 15 07:25:08 <SineOtter> and from there on, just set Google as your primary contact account :p
Oct 15 07:26:15 <Flashpass> yeah thats perfect, thanks
Oct 15 07:27:58 <Flashpass> i'm also having this problem where when I do something such as browsing the web using the browser, and my battery life drains from nearly full to empty in about 10-15 minutes - that isn't expected behavior with the overclocked kernel, is it?
Oct 15 07:28:45 <SineOtter> No, but that sounds like a battery issue
Oct 15 07:28:56 <SineOtter> Check the "Health" screen in Dr. Battery, which you can find in Preware
Oct 15 07:29:12 <Flashpass> Yeah i did that, it showed 89% health i believe
Oct 15 07:29:47 <rwhitby> that is not expected behaviour
Oct 15 07:29:51 <Flashpass> But its strange because with normal use like a couple calls, browse a couple apps, syncing my email...it lasts all day
Oct 15 07:30:23 <Flashpass> But I browse the net for 15 mins and its about to shut down :/
Oct 15 07:31:05 <SineOtter> Hm
Oct 15 07:31:15 <SineOtter> Yeah, that's real weird
Oct 15 07:31:20 <Flashpass> Happens after reboot as well
Oct 15 07:32:00 <Flashpass> haven't battery pulled yet though, not sure if that makes a difference - I'm moving out my contacts with a plan to doctor it, which i've never done since i bought the phone a long time ago
Oct 15 07:33:45 <Flashpass> Oh and, is there a way to backup my preware downloaded apps and patches for after a doctor?
Oct 15 07:34:16 <rwhitby> preware saved package list, and save/restore
Oct 15 07:34:19 <SineOtter> I think you can using Save/Restore (which is a great app, by the way: It's worth using)
Oct 15 07:35:09 <Flashpass> perfect, i'll look into save/restore
Oct 15 08:18:57 <hape> morning
Oct 15 08:25:43 <swisstomcat> morgen hape
Oct 15 08:48:28 <hape> sorry for the reconnects
Oct 15 12:19:50 <lordbah> EPR is spinning forever (15 minutes so far). "Downloading / Installing, Removing original file...". How long should I wait before I give up on it?
Oct 15 12:24:41 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 15 12:24:44 <swisstomcat> seems very long
Oct 15 12:25:25 <lordbah> Any log file I can tail -f?
Oct 15 12:26:25 <swisstomcat> /var/log/messages :)
Oct 15 12:28:37 <lordbah> Nothing recent there. Suppose I can restart and try again.
Oct 15 12:46:12 <lordbah> Continuous crud in /var/log/messages about LunaSysMgr Failed to open cpu share file, and UPLOADD_ERR_UPLOAD_THROTTLED_DAILY.
Oct 15 12:48:22 <lordbah> Yeah EPR really isn't logging any kind of progress in messages.
Oct 15 13:01:58 <lordbah> Ok EPR appears to be stuck while running md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/338/resources/es_us/kbchars_fulltable.json. Problematic is that there is no such 338 folder under submissions (there is a 347).
Oct 15 13:04:14 <lordbah> Going to restart and try to remove Virtual Keyboard before running EPR.
Oct 15 13:10:35 <swisstomcat> good idea
Oct 15 13:18:17 <lordbah> There was a VKB theme package still installed.
Oct 15 13:23:06 <swisstomcat> that made it not work?
Oct 15 13:23:59 <lordbah> I ran Cleanup VKB Files, deleted the VK theme package, restarted ... now EPR is stuck running md5sum on non-existent //media/internal/virtual-keyboard/.themes/LPC_Dark_Rounded_2e/portrait/lowercase/q.png.
Oct 15 13:24:40 <swisstomcat> hrmm
Oct 15 13:25:08 <lordbah> On Ubuntu if I run md5sum on a non-existent file it just exits immediately with an error message.
Oct 15 13:25:31 <lordbah> In fact that happens on Pre too. So why is it just hanging when run from EPR?
Oct 15 13:31:40 <lordbah> Of course I also wonder who is telling it to even look at that file.
Oct 15 13:36:05 <swisstomcat> i'd wait for more specialists to show up
Oct 15 18:49:35 <xbonesx> so thinking back to how ubuntu and apt-get works, does the pre have a /var/cache/apt/archive type directory where I stores downloaded ipks
Oct 15 18:50:43 <xbonesx> would be nice to make a back up that I could reinstall later down the road from let say quickinstall or possibly even just by transferring them back
Oct 15 19:05:02 <swisstomcat> xbonesx: preware has some support for that (saved package list)
Oct 15 19:05:07 <swisstomcat> not the actual ipks tho
Oct 15 20:21:15 <lordbah> Any sign of egaudet?
Oct 15 21:34:27 <xbonesx> think I messed up bad... what is the default setting for the 1ghz core voltage?
Oct 15 21:36:46 <oilsworkn> 1462.5 mV
Oct 15 21:36:58 <xbonesx> positive?
Oct 15 21:37:05 <oilsworkn> i just looked in govnah
Oct 15 21:37:09 <oilsworkn> ive never changed it from uk stock
Oct 15 21:37:12 <xbonesx> don't mean to be so mistrustful...
Oct 15 21:37:35 <xbonesx> thanks do you know if there is any documentation on govnah?
Oct 15 21:37:48 <oilsworkn> there is for some things
Oct 15 21:38:57 <xbonesx> like a wiki or something?
Oct 15 21:40:13 <oilsworkn> http://tinyurl.com/38hhbju
Oct 15 21:42:16 <oilsworkn> :)
Oct 15 21:43:05 <xbonesx> lol ty I found it :)
Oct 15 21:46:10 <xbonesx> is there a way for the chosen settings to be applied at boot
Oct 15 21:47:04 <oilsworkn> apply the settings and save them as a profile
Oct 15 21:47:10 <oilsworkn> then go to the profile list and tap on it
Oct 15 21:47:15 <oilsworkn> that will "stick" it for a reboot
Oct 15 21:50:30 <xbonesx> not for me...
Oct 15 21:50:36 <xbonesx> it always boots at default or unknown
Oct 15 22:56:52 <PuffTheMagic> why is the camera/photoroll such a pos in webos
Oct 15 23:06:50 <Marajin> PuffTheMagic: because it can be!
Oct 15 23:33:52 <ddd_> hi
Oct 15 23:34:02 <ddd_> tring to install cross-compile
Oct 15 23:34:24 <ddd_> after running make stage
Oct 15 23:35:00 <ddd_> i get ibtool: Version mismatch error.  This is libtool 2.2.6b, but the libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from libtool 2.2.6. libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6b
Oct 15 23:35:07 <ddd_> can someone assist?
Oct 15 23:46:11 <lordbah> Got a problem with EPR hanging. Anyone on who would deal with that?
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