**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 20 02:59:56 2010
Oct 20 04:12:50 <WillJitsu> is it possible to bypass activation but still be able to install apps from the app catalog over wifi?
Oct 20 04:49:52 <SineOt> WillJitsu: yes and no
Oct 20 04:50:02 <SineOt> app catalog requires it to be activated at least once to my knowledge
Oct 20 04:50:08 <SineOt> after that it's free reign
Oct 20 04:54:20 <rwhitby> WillJitsu: the device has to be activated once in a correct country
Oct 20 05:10:21 <WillJitsu> thanks guys. I got it to work.
Oct 20 05:29:33 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 20 05:33:57 <halfhalo> Morning
Oct 20 06:00:50 <hape> rwhitby: Morning. One question/request for prewas. Is ther a view that shows all new/changed apps from the last time i opened preware. Would be nice to have it to see whats new or chnaged.
Oct 20 06:01:10 <rwhitby> there is not
Oct 20 06:01:29 <rwhitby> the list of everything is sorted by reverse chronological order by default
Oct 20 06:02:24 <hape> that is what I'm doing daly right now. But the list is slow as it is getting bigger and bigger. So a whats new/changed view would be nice if easily possible
Oct 20 06:05:53 <hape> only an idear
Oct 20 06:06:21 <SineOt> what are you using, hape? it shouldn't be too slow
Oct 20 06:07:09 <oil> hape: we plan to have that at some point
Oct 20 06:08:58 <hape> SineOt: The list is haning about 2-3 seconds when going back from an app description. And sometimes I'm not sure what app patch was there the last time I visited the list. So I'm not sure where to stop.
Oct 20 06:09:19 <SineOt> that's weird, it shouldn't be doing that o_o
Oct 20 06:09:39 <hape> For this it would be nice to have a quick list of the 20.50 packages that changed since the last feed downlaod
Oct 20 06:10:23 <hape> It is that way since moth. It did not matter if I'm on wifi or umts. I claimed it on the sice of the lit.
Oct 20 06:10:28 <hape> It is that way since moth. It did not matter if I'm on wifi or umts. I claimed it on the sice of the list.
Oct 20 06:11:57 <rwhitby> oil: we need to keep a dirty flag so that when we go back to the package list we don't do blacklisting again unless someone has changed the blacklists
Oct 20 06:12:35 <rwhitby> oil: I think this might also be why that guy was saying that his updated package lists was not updating - I suspect he was just not waiting long enough when all feeds are enabled.
Oct 20 06:13:34 <hape> If I open the complete list it takes about 6 second from the tap to the list. The time to go back from an app description to the list is about the same
Oct 20 06:13:34 <swisstomcat> hmm, i can't see those delays ... but i'm at 720Mhz
Oct 20 06:13:44 <oil> ah, blacklisting, would definately cause the problem
Oct 20 06:14:07 <oil> maybe when the blacklist is changed, we could flag all the packages
Oct 20 06:14:15 <hape> yep, I have one blacklist entry.
Oct 20 06:14:23 <oil> and flag them at load
Oct 20 06:16:10 <hape> The oth thing is the whats new opart. So a quick list of the new/changed packages only would be nice. If possible.
Oct 20 10:37:20 <bordeaux> hi
Oct 20 10:37:39 <bordeaux> how can I del a feed in preware?
Oct 20 10:37:51 <bordeaux> anybody help me plz
Oct 20 10:38:48 <Marajin> yeah
Oct 20 10:38:55 <Marajin> you can just slide right to left over it
Oct 20 10:39:03 <Marajin> and it'll come up with a delete option
Oct 20 10:39:12 <Marajin> just like ya do with emails or other lists
Oct 20 10:39:23 <Marajin> and just like stuff tends to work on the iPhone/iPad/iPod too
Oct 20 11:15:00 <pat-> hi. first of all i would like to thank you for gathering all the information about webos and making it public. but i still have a question. does somebody know, why on earth the telephone layer is deactivated when the pre is in usb storage mode? an old nokia phone did that too, and i never understood why.
Oct 20 11:25:31 <rwhitby> the usb storage mode is controlled by the modem chip
Oct 20 11:30:40 <pat-> rwhitby: thanks. so i guess there is no way to avoid this behaviour. do you know why? is that some kind of carrier restriction or something?
Oct 20 12:56:31 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Oct 20 12:59:35 <aaron_> jfc
Oct 20 12:59:54 <aaron_> not a single competitive android tablet will be released in the US market until Q4 2011
Oct 20 13:00:27 <aaron_> it's gross incompetence and scrambling to cover a new market, yet again
Oct 20 13:03:50 <swisstomcat> android is not read yet for tablets (google says)
Oct 20 13:04:03 <swisstomcat> good for palm/hp to step into the market with a good product
Oct 20 13:32:30 <testman> Hello everybody
Oct 20 13:34:12 <swisstomcat> hello
Oct 20 14:00:23 <TurboAWAY> hi there
Oct 20 14:00:59 <swisstomcat> hi
Oct 20 14:01:04 <swisstomcat> ciao even :)
Oct 20 14:01:18 <swisstomcat> whoops, scared him away?
Oct 20 14:03:12 <jbowne> Good morning
Oct 20 14:03:28 <jbowne> How do I put my device into developer mode?
Oct 20 14:09:57 <macman_> so all .. my brother in law gave me a palm pre (Sprint) only thing not working is at the bottom when you swipe to left it dosen't go back i think and trackpad scrolling is hard .. im going to check his warranty band put it on craigslist if anyone is interested .. im on ATT
Oct 20 14:50:35 <macman_> hi all
Oct 20 14:50:38 <macman_> so what would be options\
Oct 20 14:51:35 <macman_> i got this palm pre sprint here / im on att ... only thing i see is that the back isn't working when you swipe and home button are flakey but over all its perfect
Oct 20 14:51:45 <macman_> should i craigslist it or can i sell it to one of you ?
Oct 20 16:03:47 <idontwan2know> the way people talk about hardware acceleration of the UI is ridiculous
Oct 20 16:04:20 <idontwan2know> if the user experience is good, who cares how it's accomplished
Oct 20 16:04:56 <en0x> [;
Oct 20 16:05:06 <idontwan2know> by all reports the 2.0 experience is on par with iOS, yet you'll still have people out there who don't know the first thing about it wailing and gnashing their teeth if somebody tells them it's not hardware accelerated
Oct 20 16:05:40 <en0x> they want openings apps in few miliseconds...
Oct 20 16:06:07 <en0x> this is not a c++ or something this has to be first interpreted by webkit
Oct 20 16:06:59 <swisstomcat> apparently it's pretty fast on the pre 2
Oct 20 16:07:04 <idontwan2know> I dunno...the only apps I have that don't open in a few seconds are ones that have to process a lot of data or 3d games
Oct 20 16:07:15 <en0x> google maps :D
Oct 20 16:07:24 <idontwan2know> isn't that a GPS issue?
Oct 20 16:07:38 <en0x> google apps takes 10 seconds on my pre to load up
Oct 20 16:07:39 <swisstomcat> no, a google maps issue
Oct 20 16:07:46 <en0x> s/apps/mapps/
Oct 20 16:07:48 <infobot> en0x meant: google mapps takes 10 seconds on my pre to load up
Oct 20 16:07:49 <swisstomcat> it has to download the maps api library
Oct 20 16:07:50 <idontwan2know> oh...well, then that's one
Oct 20 16:08:06 <swisstomcat> something they need to improve
Oct 20 16:08:16 <idontwan2know> I use BFG Maps anyway...the stock google maps is a joke anyway
Oct 20 16:08:24 <swisstomcat> yeah, BFG maps is better
Oct 20 16:08:27 <en0x> they should look at bfg maps
Oct 20 16:08:34 <swisstomcat> i wonder why they don't improve the google maps client
Oct 20 16:08:41 <summatusmentis> I don't like the bfg maps interface
Oct 20 16:08:57 <swisstomcat> it's getting better
Oct 20 16:09:04 <idontwan2know> I'm not crazy about the interface either, but it works and has way more features
Oct 20 16:09:12 <swisstomcat> and it's faster
Oct 20 16:11:35 <idontwan2know> anyway...half the time I open a browser card my favorites are already onscreen before the card is even taking up the whole screen.
Oct 20 16:11:42 <idontwan2know> and that's on 1.4.5
Oct 20 16:12:03 <idontwan2know> what difference does it make if it's not hardware accelerated?
Oct 20 17:24:16 <penemano> hi
Oct 20 17:25:03 <penemano> hello
Oct 20 17:39:02 <macman_> can somebody see if this palm-pre i have is in warranty ?
Oct 20 17:47:49 <|twister|> hey all
Oct 20 17:48:50 <|twister|> I have a palm pre I just bought off of craigslist, it's saying I need to create a profile.  Is there anyway to bypas this
Oct 20 17:48:59 <|twister|> ?
Oct 20 17:51:12 <siggiebaby> yo twist...
Oct 20 17:51:26 <siggiebaby> I just hit the emergency dial option and backed out 911
Oct 20 17:51:46 <siggiebaby> it wont hit send, so dont owrry
Oct 20 17:52:35 <Dresden> Are the Pixi overclock kernels available in PreWare?
Oct 20 17:53:03 <|twister|> siggiebaby: what do you mean
Oct 20 17:53:10 <Dresden> |twister|, why not create a profile?
Oct 20 17:53:22 <|twister|> the phone does not have service Dresden
Oct 20 17:53:33 <Dresden> |twister|, will it in the future? WebDoctor it
Oct 20 17:53:39 <siggiebaby> you have two options if you touch below
Oct 20 17:53:48 <siggiebaby> emergency calls or 611
Oct 20 17:53:54 <siggiebaby> (on verizon that is)
Oct 20 17:54:01 <siggiebaby> touch the emergency call
Oct 20 17:54:04 <siggiebaby> and back out 911
Oct 20 17:54:10 <|twister|> where do I get the webdoctor Dresden ?
Oct 20 17:54:36 <siggiebaby> I did webdoctor after I *228 'd it
Oct 20 17:54:49 <Darkmagister> i have a "problem" with lighttpd on my pre ... i have installed it on the pre .. but i want to create a php page for upload file from wlan i have add mod_fastcgi on lighttpd.conf but when i got to the page i receive 403 forbidden error ... how i can fix this ???
Oct 20 17:54:50 <Dresden> |twister|, are you replacing/adding a line? If so, just do what siggiebaby says and *228/activate it.
Oct 20 17:55:11 <Dresden> Darkmagister, chmod 655 filename.php
Oct 20 17:55:27 <|twister|> No, I am not activating it at the momet, but would like to go through it and see if i want to in the future
Oct 20 17:55:46 <Darkmagister> :ok no i try
Oct 20 17:55:48 <Darkmagister> now
Oct 20 17:55:50 <Darkmagister> *
Oct 20 17:56:07 <Dresden> |twister|, then either load up webdoctor which will disable the cell radio (no data/voice, just wireless--developer mode), or create a custom doctor image that bypasses the Profile.
Oct 20 17:56:22 <Dresden> |twister|, or, load it up on Pageplus for $15 (there are a lot of folks who do it for free too)
Oct 20 17:56:45 <|twister|> how do i load up webdoctor
Oct 20 17:56:46 <Darkmagister> doh not change anything :(
Oct 20 17:56:46 <Dresden> Are the Pixi overclock kernels available in PreWare?
Oct 20 17:56:50 <|twister|> sorry, I am new to this
Oct 20 17:56:54 <|twister|> I appreciate your help though
Oct 20 17:57:20 <jhojho> I wonder if webos will ever support facetime.
Oct 20 17:57:29 <halfhalo> NEVA
Oct 20 17:57:51 <jhojho> sad. looks cool
Oct 20 17:58:57 <Dresden> jhojho, other phones have had it for YEARS... my cheapo feature flip phone from 2004 even had it.
Oct 20 17:59:12 * halfhalo has no use for it
Oct 20 18:00:17 <Dresden> lol Guess Apple heard Android3 was getting video chat along with gtalk update to have video chat.
Oct 20 18:00:28 <Darkmagister> if i rename it .htm i can access to it :( why no php support ... (i'm not shure to have fastcgi installed because ipkg-opt install php-fcgi it doesn't work)
Oct 20 18:01:52 <halfhalo> then its def a php issue
Oct 20 18:02:05 <Darkmagister> doh
Oct 20 18:02:23 <halfhalo> check zem syslogs for php dieing a horrible death
Oct 20 18:05:22 <Darkmagister> where i can find it ?
Oct 20 18:06:05 * halfhalo would bet somewere in /var/logs somewhere
Oct 20 18:06:26 <siggiebaby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH
Oct 20 18:06:36 <siggiebaby> tried this to enable sshd over evdo
Oct 20 18:06:39 <siggiebaby> but no luck
Oct 20 18:06:52 <siggiebaby> specifically the firewall section and restarted ssh
Oct 20 18:07:32 <siggiebaby> anyone get this working?
Oct 20 18:07:45 <Darkmagister> nothing and no log for lighttpd in /opt/var/log/lighttpd
Oct 20 18:08:02 <halfhalo> not /opt/var, just /var/log
Oct 20 18:08:20 <Darkmagister> on var log nothing :(
Oct 20 18:08:25 <Dresden> siggiebaby, on verizon? Majority of Verizon towers block standard ports.
Oct 20 18:08:37 <halfhalo> hmmm
Oct 20 18:08:45 <siggiebaby> ahh.. but supposeduly it sets it to 222
Oct 20 18:08:55 <siggiebaby> I tried ssh -p 222
Oct 20 18:08:55 <halfhalo> is there anything in /var/log/messages?
Oct 20 18:08:55 <Dresden> siggiebaby, standard = <1024
Oct 20 18:09:11 * halfhalo doesn't know what else since he doesn't have a pre handy to look
Oct 20 18:09:13 <siggiebaby> possible to up the listening port above 1024?
Oct 20 18:09:28 <Darkmagister> ok
Oct 20 18:10:17 <siggiebaby> iptables looks easy enough.. maybe just modify the sshd.conf?
Oct 20 18:10:21 <siggiebaby> and restart ssh
Oct 20 18:10:33 <Dresden> that would be my first choice...before messing with iptables
Oct 20 18:10:38 <Dresden> imo, disable iptables for the time being
Oct 20 18:10:54 <siggiebaby> ok...
Oct 20 18:11:04 <siggiebaby> iptables --flush id assume
Oct 20 18:11:13 <siggiebaby> so you are saying verizon lets u use anything above 1024?
Oct 20 18:11:44 <Dresden> siggiebaby, not all verizon towers are verizon towers. ymmv
Oct 20 18:11:58 <siggiebaby> well thats a conundrum :)
Oct 20 18:12:00 <Darkmagister> and there are a method for trnafer file ...
Oct 20 18:12:05 <Darkmagister> transfert file
Oct 20 18:12:26 <Darkmagister> over the air
Oct 20 18:12:35 <Dresden> siggiebaby, put it on 2222 and give it a try. I just have a vpn running at all times
Oct 20 18:12:37 <Darkmagister> because i can't use bluetooth ....
Oct 20 18:13:07 <Darkmagister> i want to use wlan but no sftp ...
Oct 20 18:13:13 <siggiebaby> thanks I will try that!
Oct 20 18:13:44 <Dresden> Darkmagister, transfer to phone or from phone?
Oct 20 18:13:45 <siggiebaby> any ideas when we get webos 2.0 on pre+?
Oct 20 18:14:04 <Darkmagister> to my phone ... from other ...
Oct 20 18:14:22 <Dresden> Darkmagister, run lighttpd and wget the file on the receiving end
Oct 20 18:14:45 <Darkmagister> how ???
Oct 20 18:15:01 <Darkmagister> i have not understand :D
Oct 20 18:16:00 <|twister|> my palm pre is hooked up to my computer
Oct 20 18:16:25 <|twister|> howevevr my computer does not see it
Oct 20 18:16:30 <|twister|> i suppose i need drivers?
Oct 20 18:16:43 <|twister|> where do i download the drivers for my computer to reconize palm
Oct 20 18:19:11 <halfhalo> |twister|: is the pre in usb mode?
Oct 20 18:19:33 <|twister|> the pre says sight into profile
Oct 20 18:19:38 <|twister|> how do i turn it into usb mode?
Oct 20 18:20:18 <halfhalo> ohhh.... you want to metadoctor?
Oct 20 18:20:30 <|twister|> yes
Oct 20 18:20:43 <|twister|> i have webos doctor now
Oct 20 18:20:49 <|twister|> and it says hook my phone up to computer
Oct 20 18:20:50 <|twister|> i didn
Oct 20 18:20:51 <|twister|> did
Oct 20 18:20:53 <halfhalo> shut off the pre, hold the volume up botton and turn the pre on
Oct 20 18:20:56 <|twister|> but its not seeing it
Oct 20 18:21:26 <|twister|> k
Oct 20 18:21:38 <halfhalo> there should be a usb icon on the screen if you do it right
Oct 20 18:21:47 <|twister|> there is
Oct 20 18:21:57 <halfhalo> then you are in usb mode
Oct 20 18:22:01 <|twister|> k'
Oct 20 18:22:05 <|twister|> says installing drivers
Oct 20 18:22:29 <|twister|> now my computer say it
Oct 20 18:22:30 <|twister|> saw
Oct 20 18:22:31 <|twister|> thanks
Oct 20 18:23:18 <|twister|> it keeps turning on and off
Oct 20 18:23:24 <|twister|> installing drivers
Oct 20 18:23:26 <|twister|> normal i suppose
Oct 20 18:23:49 <halfhalo> did you already make the modified doctor?
Oct 20 18:23:55 <|twister|> no
Oct 20 18:23:59 <|twister|> i dont know how to do that
Oct 20 18:24:14 <|twister|> webos doctor is all that its doing now
Oct 20 18:24:16 <|twister|> through java
Oct 20 18:24:34 <|twister|> its at 12%
Oct 20 18:24:46 <halfhalo> Well, if you are just trying to bypass the activation or whatnot then just using a plain doctor will not solve anything...
Oct 20 18:24:47 <|twister|> with a picutre of a circuit on the phone
Oct 20 18:24:53 <|twister|> ok
Oct 20 18:25:00 <|twister|> how do i use the modified doctor
Oct 20 18:25:21 <halfhalo> you have to make it
Oct 20 18:25:36 <|twister|> to bypass activation?
Oct 20 18:25:42 <halfhalo> yeah
Oct 20 18:25:48 <|twister|> how do i do that.?
Oct 20 18:26:46 <halfhalo> I can help you with that, but not right now
Oct 20 18:26:52 <halfhalo> (in class)
Oct 20 18:26:52 <|twister|> ok
Oct 20 18:26:58 <|twister|> i understand
Oct 20 18:26:59 <|twister|> thats fine
Oct 20 18:27:03 <|twister|> ill still be here
Oct 20 18:27:11 <|twister|> just pm me when you can
Oct 20 18:27:15 <|twister|> whenever
Oct 20 18:27:20 <|twister|> i appreciate it halfhalo
Oct 20 18:37:18 <|twister|> halfhalo:
Oct 20 18:37:23 <|twister|> are you still about?
Oct 20 18:37:26 <|twister|> i was wondering
Oct 20 18:37:46 <|twister|> after i bypass the activation, what limitations will i have on the device
Oct 20 18:39:26 <en0x> no app catalog
Oct 20 18:40:04 <halfhalo> depends for the app cat
Oct 20 18:40:17 <en0x> why are u trying exacly to do? bypass the first use app or activation?
Oct 20 18:40:18 <halfhalo> my unactivated device has it
Oct 20 18:40:28 <en0x> if u bypass activation then you will not be able to make calls
Oct 20 18:40:29 <en0x> afaik
Oct 20 18:53:10 <|twister|> brb
Oct 20 20:52:44 <|twister|> ok so.... i was able to bypass the activation.  how can i put IRC on the phone now
Oct 20 20:54:36 <SineOt> in Preware, you install wIRC
Oct 20 20:57:13 <Marajin>  SineOt I think I fixed my pixi's time and shutdown issues
Oct 20 20:57:39 <SineOt> yeah? What'd you need to do?
Oct 20 21:01:49 <marajin> goddamn I screwed screen up there something fierce
Oct 20 21:01:58 <marajin> SineOt: sorry if I was spamming nonsense..
Oct 20 21:02:11 <SineOt> You didn't say anything, so :)
Oct 20 21:02:12 <marajin> baaaasically, I uninstalled one patch :p
Oct 20 21:02:19 <marajin> ah it just utterly locked up then :)
Oct 20 21:08:29 <SineOt> what patch? o_o
Oct 20 21:10:11 <marajin> SineOt: um the 'advanced configuration' euro patch
Oct 20 21:10:18 <marajin> apparently it's not so ready for the primetime :p
Oct 20 21:10:22 <SineOt> Interesting!
Oct 20 21:10:50 <SineOt> oh yeah, sconix: feature request for Mode Switcher: make the dashboard switching notifications touchable while locked
Oct 20 21:15:54 <idontwan2know> I think that's a webOS limitation
Oct 20 21:16:08 <SineOt> touchable while locked, you mean?
Oct 20 21:16:12 <idontwan2know> yes
Oct 20 21:16:46 <idontwan2know> If you ever have the power options pop up in the lock screen, they aren't touchable either.
Oct 20 21:17:32 <SineOt> but music controls are
Oct 20 21:17:45 <SineOt> I'm fairly sure it's a setting you can use when pushing the noticescene
Oct 20 21:17:46 <idontwan2know> true
Oct 20 21:17:53 <idontwan2know> didn't think of that
Oct 20 21:19:10 <SineOt> what it actually is, I'm not sure-I was browsing webos101 and saw it, I think
Oct 20 21:19:36 <sconix> marajin: whats wrong with the patch? it should work just fine, I should know since I am using it myself :)
Oct 20 21:21:15 <marajin> sconix: not on my o2 pixi plus
Oct 20 21:21:25 <marajin> it would periodically power off and the time.. heh
Oct 20 21:21:36 <marajin> It was losing ~30 minutes every time
Oct 20 21:21:42 <marajin> though the last time it did it, it lost 186 /days/
Oct 20 21:21:53 <marajin> major syncing issues with the time
Oct 20 21:22:08 <sconix> not sure how the patch could do that...
Oct 20 21:22:29 <marajin> removing it and it hasn't put a foot wrong on time in 36 hours ..
Oct 20 21:22:54 <sconix> it owuld have been nice to have the messages log from the time it did that
Oct 20 21:23:02 <sconix> I have pre so cannot test pixi :(
Oct 20 21:25:47 <sconix> do you have some other locale than en_us set? just so that I could test that if its some of the translated files that causing some weird behavior
Oct 20 21:37:59 <SenorTaco5> wow irc works from my pre
Oct 20 21:43:14 <SenorTaco5> Why does my profile randomly change to "unnown profile"
Oct 20 21:43:37 <dtzWill> SenorTaco5: did your phone crash?
Oct 20 21:44:02 <SineOt> Sometimes Govnah has issues with pulling the profile names. I don't really worry about it
Oct 20 21:44:15 <SineOt> I've had it before where even though the settings are all right it still displays "Palm Default."
Oct 20 21:45:45 <SenorTaco5> no, it didn't crash, and the thing is, "unknown profile" sets my fequency from 800Mhz to 1Ghz
Oct 20 21:46:23 <dtzWill> lol
Oct 20 21:46:24 <dtzWill> O_O
Oct 20 21:46:44 <dtzWill> yeah taht just sounds like a profile parsing bug. in theory those are mostly sorted out these days, i wonder if it's necessary/suggested to purge the old set of profiles or how that'd done.
Oct 20 21:46:56 <dtzWill> not working on govnah myself, I can't comment on that sorry :).
Oct 20 21:48:10 <SenorTaco5> Well I guess I won't let it bother me. Thanks for the help.
Oct 20 21:56:22 <|twister|> Now we work on your Pre, we need to put your device into developer mode. In card view (either no cards open or where you can see multiple cards at once), start typing “upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart” exactly as shown in quotes (no spaces and no quotes). Your developer mode enabler will slide up into view. Tap on the icon and you will see you can enable developer mode now (this lets your put programs on). You will 
Oct 20 21:56:27 <|twister|> how do i do this?
Oct 20 21:56:33 <|twister|> where do i type that in
Oct 20 21:56:45 <SineOt> You just type it.
Oct 20 21:57:11 <bsm> hi, in the messaging app my buddy list is messed up, I see old ICQ groups mixed up with jabber and everything. removing and readding the account does not help. ideas anyone? can I purge the accounts somehow?
Oct 20 21:59:45 <|twister|> wow thats crazy
Oct 20 22:06:21 <bsm> otherwise asked, where is the sqlite database of the messaging app? or do all apps use ONE database?
Oct 20 22:07:20 <SineOt> bsm: what it's doing is pulling your groups you've got set up for the account
Oct 20 22:07:28 <SineOt> probably from whatever clients you used to use
Oct 20 22:07:38 <SineOt> it's easier to just log in with a desktop client and make the changes there
Oct 20 22:07:58 <bsm> SineOt: its even mixing groups, as some contacts appear in two groups
Oct 20 22:08:39 <SineOt> again, all it does is pull down whatever the server says the groups are
Oct 20 22:09:43 <bsm> hmkay thanks, I'll have a look at this.
Oct 20 22:10:28 <SineOt> took me a long time to get that figured out
Oct 20 22:10:56 <bsm> my setup is even crazier, as I'm using a jabber accounts thats pulling icq contacts
Oct 20 22:11:13 <SineOt> that's probably where your problems are coming from :p
Oct 20 22:11:29 <bsm> of course :D
Oct 20 22:12:05 * SineOt is weird... Just set up a screen name that is only used on the Pixi and nowhere else. Makes it simple. No cluttering Contacts with people that get talked to once a month.
Oct 20 22:12:13 <bsm> I wanted to get rid of the messaging plugins by spoofing gtalk into some other server, but then I get certificate problems
Oct 20 22:15:38 <xbonesx> so I installed this configuration thing for the app launcher, and everytime I restart my phone it move my apps around??? any clue why?
Oct 20 22:17:03 <sconix> you most likely have damaged app launcher database
Oct 20 22:17:23 <sconix> it gets damaged rather easily if you do forced shutdown
Oct 20 22:17:37 <xbonesx> meaning I need to do what? and why would it be damaged?
Oct 20 22:17:51 <xbonesx> forced shutdown?
Oct 20 22:17:59 <xbonesx> like just pulling the battery out?
Oct 20 22:18:04 <sconix> battery pull / crash
Oct 20 22:18:08 <SineOt> yeah
Oct 20 22:19:07 <xbonesx> is there a way to correct this?
Oct 20 22:19:36 <xbonesx> I mean I could probably do with a docter, but if I can avoid it I'm going to try
Oct 20 22:19:50 <sconix> I am trying to find the path just a sec
Oct 20 22:20:16 <xbonesx> ok thanks
Oct 20 22:24:24 <sconix> was not able to find it from the thread, but it is most likely under /var/palm/data/file_.usr.lib.luna.system.luna-applauncher_0/
Oct 20 22:24:33 <sconix> there should be 00000000000#.db file
Oct 20 22:25:18 <sconix> deleting that at least fixed the problem for one user
Oct 20 22:25:32 <sconix> I remember him posting it, but just could not find the post
Oct 20 22:27:41 <xbonesx> ok thanks think I'm going to do a docter
Oct 20 22:28:37 <sconix> not sure if that file is pulled from palm profile so not sure if it helps...
Oct 20 23:29:06 <kingpin_> I need help with my preware
Oct 20 23:29:11 <SineOt> sure, what's up
Oct 20 23:30:26 <kingpin_> for some reason I'm stuck on downloading feeds when I open preware
Oct 20 23:31:15 <SineOt> what feed? there might be an issue with the download
Oct 20 23:32:15 <kingpin_> I've disabled catalog and prethemer
Oct 20 23:33:00 <kingpin_> which were the the ones taking for ever to load
Oct 20 23:35:37 <kingpin_> the only way to get it up and going is by installing it over and over
Oct 20 23:36:00 <SineOt> hm
Oct 20 23:36:15 <SineOt> try disabling all the feeds, then going through one by one? see which one causes the problem
Oct 20 23:38:21 <kingpin_> ok I've disable all feeds
Oct 20 23:38:41 <SineOt> loads to the main menu?
Oct 20 23:40:17 <kingpin_> nope still stuck on loading page where it saids "downloading feed information"
Oct 20 23:40:44 <SineOt> even without any feeds? D:
Oct 20 23:41:04 <rwhitby> kingpin_: are you on a wifi hotspot that requires login ?
Oct 20 23:41:07 <kingpin_> yup that's right
Oct 20 23:41:23 <kingpin_> nope
Oct 20 23:41:31 <rwhitby> reboot your device and try again
Oct 20 23:43:13 <kingpin_> ok I'm about to reboot my phone once more hope this works.. Bye
Oct 20 23:54:07 <kingpin_> ok I'm back.. With sad news my preware still not working even after rebooting
Oct 20 23:54:57 <kingpin_> damn it I don't know what I'm doing wrong
Oct 20 23:56:34 <kingpin_> can anybody help??
Oct 20 23:56:51 <scoutcamper> are you installing the newest version
Oct 20 23:56:52 <scoutcamper> ?
Oct 20 23:57:00 <scoutcamper> what hardware and carrier?
Oct 20 23:57:05 <scoutcamper> and os version?
Oct 21 00:00:01 <kingpin_> I've installed preware 9.5 I'm on sprint carrier palm pre phone using WEBos 1.4.5
Oct 21 00:00:40 <kingpin_> i
Oct 21 00:00:43 <kingpin_> i
Oct 21 00:00:44 <rwhitby> kingpin_: install the Preware Home Documentation app from the app catalog, and follow the instructions in there.  Your version of Preware is way out of date.
Oct 21 00:01:13 <kingpin_> hav
Oct 21 00:02:22 <scoutcamper> rwhitby,  wait, preware 9.5, is this some secret future preware, is kingpin_  from the future?
Oct 21 00:02:35 <rwhitby> I think he means 0.9.5
Oct 21 00:02:42 <scoutcamper> :D
Oct 21 00:02:50 <scoutcamper> i aggree, but it was funny :D
Oct 21 00:02:53 <rwhitby> current version is 1.3.8
Oct 21 00:03:06 <kingpin_> yeah that's right lol
Oct 21 00:04:06 <kingpin_> jesus christ has it been that long I've been without preware??
Oct 21 00:04:38 <SineOt> apparently!
Oct 21 00:05:04 <kingpin_> I've had to settle for the app catalog
Oct 21 00:05:36 <kingpin_> :i
Oct 21 00:05:49 <kingpin_> :L
Oct 21 00:08:33 <kingpin_> so suggestions to how I go about getting preware up and running??
Oct 21 00:08:41 <SineOt> Get 1.3.8!
Oct 21 00:09:25 <scoutcamper> from http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.preware_1.3.8_arm.ipk
Oct 21 02:52:57 <Zen00> Out of curiosity, why does the sound on my music player (MPRB) reset to 0 every time I do a full reset?
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