**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 21 02:59:58 2010 Oct 21 06:52:33 hey guys i could really use a hand if someone's available who's had exprience with upgrading from 1.4.3 to 1.4.5 Oct 21 06:55:32 i have a patch that can neither update nor remove Oct 21 06:55:41 is it on the bad list? Oct 21 06:56:16 i'll let you know soon as ya point me toward the list... Oct 21 06:56:43 i was stupid and didn't check the webos internals sote before upgrading Oct 21 06:58:44 precentral thread on patches Oct 21 06:59:02 your best bet now is to use the preware saved package list, then EPR, then reinstall them Oct 21 06:59:45 there's a 1.4.3? Oct 21 07:00:00 yeah i'm considering EPR right now Oct 21 07:00:15 yeah, AT%T Pixi+ has been on it for ages... Oct 21 07:00:41 1.4.5 just became available for us a few days ago :( Oct 21 07:00:55 F AT&T Oct 21 07:02:01 i'm inclined to just doctor this thing... had to do it 2 days after i got it because it came fro mthe factory with a bad OS install Oct 21 07:02:06 so i'm comfortable with that Oct 21 07:02:47 if EPR works is less hassle than doctoring it Oct 21 07:03:02 if it doesn't, then doctor Oct 21 07:03:12 true, though it's temptime to blow away patches and apps, start from scratch Oct 21 07:03:39 if this works, awesome, i'll play with it for a few days, then probably start fresh anyway lol Oct 21 07:03:49 a fresh start is always good Oct 21 07:04:24 one thing i miss about my blackberry... reinstalling the OS and starting from scratch at least quarterly Oct 21 07:05:35 last time I doctored was Mar17 Oct 21 07:05:52 4 of them, 2 different models... 2 of them would randomly corrumt their flash, one would randomly wipe its flash altogether, the other was my fiancee's and she just f's phones up lol Oct 21 07:06:10 that said, blackberries are physically indestructible Oct 21 07:06:11 lol Oct 21 07:07:01 that said, now that i'm on WebOS i'm never looking back... Oct 21 07:08:05 well i'm EPRing now... came here hoping to hear that it wouldnt be necessary but it's all good Oct 21 07:15:20 and i just noticed the slew of typos i made Oct 21 08:18:51 does webos understand mp3 playlists? Oct 21 08:43:39 is it possible to exchange the pre's battery? Oct 21 08:43:40 just asking, because there's some kind of authentication Oct 21 08:48:11 i should change my provider. damn disconnects Oct 21 09:01:33 playya: yes you can change the battery. Simply remove the backcover. It is nly cliped in. Oct 21 09:07:35 yes. but is it possible to use the battery from a different device Oct 21 09:07:55 i had to remove the battery while testing the kexec kernel ;) Oct 21 11:22:36 playya: dident get what you mean? Oct 21 13:32:22 hi all .. so i got a palm-pre from cousin and he gave me no cable .. i did a factory-wipe and now i can't get in i need a msl .. how do i get this ? Oct 21 13:33:39 macman_, what provider? Oct 21 13:35:00 cause it's either a default of all 0's or you can call your provider and ask them for it Oct 21 13:36:32 im on ATT im using my cousins palm-pre to test if i want it Oct 21 13:36:34 he was on sprint Oct 21 13:36:36 im on ATT Oct 21 13:36:47 so its a sprint pre Oct 21 13:36:54 oh... um that's not compatible Oct 21 13:37:13 ATT and Sprint use different network technologies Oct 21 13:37:17 yes i know that Oct 21 13:37:21 im just using it Oct 21 13:37:26 beats simulator Oct 21 13:37:35 but for a sprint pre you can call sprint and ask them for the MSL Oct 21 13:37:54 i can just call and they give it to me ? Oct 21 13:37:55 you might want to have your cousin do it though Oct 21 13:38:53 they can give it to the owner of the pre (ie the person on the account they have it connected to) Oct 21 13:38:58 how do i get past profile screen Oct 21 13:39:41 that part I'm not so sure about, I've just looked into the msl for other reasons Oct 21 13:40:51 ugh Oct 21 13:41:34 they may be other ways? I'd try reading some forums on some of the webos sites Oct 21 13:42:40 the cable is a standard micro(?) usb... I picked one up for a couple bucks Oct 21 13:42:54 not really Oct 21 13:42:57 cable is wierd looking Oct 21 13:43:11 not a regular one that wokrs with blackberry or android Oct 21 13:43:46 it's not a mini usb but it is a standard micro usb... I have several extra non-palm cables now Oct 21 13:45:26 macman_, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812816066 Oct 21 13:50:51 ugh Oct 21 13:51:03 well anyway .. i think the phone is useless well not really Oct 21 13:51:08 back swype dosen't work Oct 21 13:51:17 so i have to exit every app Oct 21 13:54:44 RMind, i have a cord like that but for charging Oct 21 13:54:46 i have to go look Oct 21 13:54:51 i have so many friggin cords Oct 21 13:58:30 macman_, because then you could try to doctor or metadoctor the phone, but I really don't know if that'll get around the msl thing. Oct 21 14:37:37 RMind, oh yea i found the usb cable Oct 21 14:37:42 im serious i have hella cables Oct 21 15:08:11 <|twister|> hey hey Oct 21 15:08:36 <|twister|> getting an error Oct 21 15:08:42 <|twister|> whien connecting my device Oct 21 15:08:50 <|twister|> (palm pre) Oct 21 15:08:54 <|twister|> to my machine Oct 21 15:09:16 <|twister|> device driver software not installed successfully Oct 21 15:09:24 <|twister|> omap3430 Oct 21 15:09:32 <|twister|> device unplugged Oct 21 15:09:39 <|twister|> palm navacom (bootie) Oct 21 15:09:43 <|twister|> ready to use Oct 21 15:10:20 <|twister|> with those problems Oct 21 15:10:32 don't worry about that Oct 21 15:10:46 <|twister|> im trying to install a theme and wirc Oct 21 15:11:05 Its the super special developer interface that is not needed by 99.99% of people Oct 21 15:11:07 <|twister|> so far no luck Oct 21 15:11:10 do you have preware? Oct 21 15:11:18 <|twister|> not sure Oct 21 15:11:24 <|twister|> sorry new at this man Oct 21 15:11:35 <|twister|> spent like 4 hours playin with it yesterday Oct 21 15:11:37 well, preware is an app on the phone Oct 21 15:11:43 <|twister|> oh Oct 21 15:11:44 <|twister|> then no Oct 21 15:11:45 <|twister|> where do i get it? Oct 21 15:12:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware Oct 21 15:13:54 <|twister|> ok i will give it a try again Oct 21 15:22:26 <|twister|> hey !! thanks halfhalo Oct 21 15:22:57 np Oct 21 15:32:59 anyway to get web doctor thing to work on windows ? Oct 21 15:33:19 its java... it (unfortunatly) runs on like anything Oct 21 15:41:20 halfhalo, that for me ? Oct 21 15:41:53 yeah Oct 21 15:46:35 aw ok Oct 21 15:46:41 im on a mac from work and downloading webOS Doctor Oct 21 15:46:46 can i bypass this profile thing ? Oct 21 15:46:52 im just trying to get to home screen Oct 21 15:46:59 you can if you metadoctor Oct 21 15:48:22 so webosdoctor won't work ? Oct 21 15:48:40 not by itself Oct 21 15:50:17 so what do i do ? Oct 21 15:50:55 make a metadoctor? Oct 21 15:51:31 no Oct 21 15:51:44 trying to get passed the profile screen on the pre so i can juse use the pre Oct 21 15:51:50 im going to by one soon Oct 21 15:52:14 * halfhalo knows... Oct 21 15:52:26 you use metadoctor to bypass activation and first use Oct 21 15:53:08 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Bypassing_Activation ? Oct 21 15:53:13 or is it something eaiser ? Oct 21 15:53:27 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor replaced that Oct 21 15:54:02 looks complicated Oct 21 15:54:03 lol Oct 21 15:54:41 * halfhalo did it in a hotel in under 30 minutes Oct 21 16:00:52 u can just bypass the first use app Oct 21 16:01:00 no need for bypassing activation Oct 21 16:08:48 yea Oct 21 16:08:53 i can hit ##data# Oct 21 16:08:59 and i get a screen that ask for msl Oct 21 16:09:06 its asking for an email and password Oct 21 16:09:18 my bro in law who gave it to me is not ava Oct 21 16:10:52 en0x, so how do you bypass first app .. is that where metadoctor comes in ? Oct 21 16:11:07 <|twister|> run metadoctor Oct 21 16:11:19 <|twister|> run activation by pass Oct 21 16:11:27 <|twister|> thanks all for the help Oct 21 16:11:28 <|twister|> !! Oct 21 16:11:35 ? Oct 21 16:15:45 you think it is easier on a mac or linux ? Oct 21 16:16:35 hmm.. this guide looks easy Oct 21 16:16:37 * macman_ reboots Oct 21 16:21:00 anyone mind helping me with it ? Oct 21 16:21:05 i just downloaded it via git Oct 21 16:21:07 ubuntu Oct 21 16:21:16 it says to type patch but nothing is happening Oct 21 16:29:46 guys Oct 21 16:30:02 im trying to download webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar .. says 404 Oct 21 16:55:34 guys im editing the makefile for metadoctor Oct 21 17:25:51 anyone alive ? Oct 21 17:51:48 macman_: just ask the question Oct 21 17:54:56 hey webos hackers Oct 21 17:55:50 anyone around? Oct 21 17:56:20 ACTION Oct 21 17:56:48 sure Oct 21 17:58:18 missed that last one Oct 21 17:59:04 said sure Oct 21 17:59:22 ahh ok Oct 21 17:59:51 has anyone ever used scanning tools from webOS terminal Oct 21 17:59:53 ? Oct 21 18:01:28 what kind of scanning tools? Oct 21 18:01:51 like nmap Oct 21 18:02:17 no reason you couldn't. Oct 21 18:02:49 that's what I figures, but wasn't sure where to find that stuff Oct 21 18:03:58 might have to compile it. Oct 21 18:04:33 is gcc on webOS? Oct 21 18:04:41 Not sure if it's in the library or not. Did you look under linux apps in preware? Oct 21 18:05:06 yeah I did Oct 21 18:05:43 * halfhalo thinks it would need to be cross compiled Oct 21 18:11:04 gcc is in optware Oct 21 18:13:37 where? don't see it Oct 21 18:14:38 hi Oct 21 18:15:07 can anyone briefly explain to me, how to put my pre in developer-mode? Oct 21 18:15:33 yes Oct 21 18:16:03 would you be so kind? Oct 21 18:16:05 just start typing webos20090606 Oct 21 18:16:15 on the device? Oct 21 18:16:20 when in card-view Oct 21 18:16:25 then click the developer mode icon that shows up Oct 21 18:16:30 or from the launcher Oct 21 18:16:57 great, cheers! Oct 21 18:17:01 you get it? Oct 21 18:17:16 yes don on the device Oct 21 18:17:25 done already, thanks Oct 21 18:19:27 en0x, simple .. trying to bypass first app at use right .. download metadoctor .. i did the make file .. i unticked bypass first app and devloper mode Oct 21 18:19:38 im at the point where i went into /build/somethingweb.jar and opened with java Oct 21 18:19:43 webosdcotr is open Oct 21 18:19:48 and now it won't see my device Oct 21 18:19:55 it has to because the pre is chrging Oct 21 18:19:58 how can i sresolve this Oct 21 18:20:38 can i got into like a recovery mode Oct 21 18:20:46 or anohter mode where metadoctor will recognize pre Oct 21 18:21:04 hold volume up key while booting, then doctor should recognize the phone Oct 21 18:21:19 juit read that thanks Oct 21 18:21:20 http://discussion.treocentral.com/web-os-development/201134-webos-doctor-not-recognizing-my-pro.html Oct 21 18:22:11 where is volume key Oct 21 18:22:15 brother in law buttons are off Oct 21 18:22:16 lol Oct 21 18:22:27 left side ? Oct 21 18:22:52 * oilsworkn always has to use volume up trick Oct 21 18:23:13 macman_: are you asking where the volume buttons are located? Oct 21 18:23:18 yes Oct 21 18:23:28 remember he gave me the pre .. im using it to just test Oct 21 18:23:43 um, yes, left side xD Oct 21 18:26:42 any other way ? Oct 21 18:26:58 ebay? Oct 21 18:27:10 no he has dropped it to many times Oct 21 18:27:11 4 pres Oct 21 18:27:16 he finally got an upgrade to an evo Oct 21 18:27:28 i asked for hi just in case i want to get pre Oct 21 18:27:46 can you use a toothpick to activate the button without the button? Oct 21 18:28:04 good ol wirc Oct 21 18:28:18 its sucky? Oct 21 18:28:35 * macman_ downloads user guide Oct 21 18:28:36 HAH Oct 21 18:28:54 ;( Oct 21 18:30:11 can i press any other buttons ? Oct 21 18:37:12 any other way ? Oct 21 18:37:35 afaik its only that one that does recovery mode Oct 21 18:37:45 ugh Oct 21 18:43:34 yea Oct 21 18:43:39 mac isn't recognizing eaither Oct 21 18:43:44 can i use a paperclick or something Oct 21 18:44:08 i dont know Oct 21 18:44:12 never seen a pre without a button Oct 21 18:45:04 wow, that's just "odd" Oct 21 18:45:10 yea Oct 21 18:45:15 i don't know if he was taking it apart or what Oct 21 18:45:17 there are no buttons on the left side? Just perfectly smooth? Oct 21 18:45:21 wanna see a pic ? Oct 21 18:45:36 yep Oct 21 18:45:50 is it "smooth" or "has a hole" Oct 21 18:45:56 where the plastic button used to be Oct 21 18:47:13 http://i54.tinypic.com/35mjjuf.jpg Oct 21 18:47:37 so, a hole Oct 21 18:47:38 lol Oct 21 18:47:41 haha Oct 21 18:47:56 well, the up button is on top :) Oct 21 18:48:05 huh ? Oct 21 18:48:12 i assume there is just a little button in there that the plastic button would press Oct 21 18:48:33 just turn off the pre, hold the button, plug it into usb Oct 21 18:48:38 it should come on in recovery mode Oct 21 18:49:01 though holding a toothpic on the button while hooking up usb may be difficult with only 2 hands Oct 21 18:53:27 ugh this sucks Oct 21 18:54:54 are there any reports of the touchscreen suddenly going crazy on the pre for no obvious reason? Oct 21 18:57:45 JesusMcCloud: try cleaning the screen real good Oct 21 18:58:48 oilsworkn, did that to the point were i could not see anything on the screen... the whole touch area (includong the area below the screen) randomly goes crazy Oct 21 18:59:06 * oilsworkn has no answer then Oct 21 18:59:15 every time its happened to me it was due to junk on the screen Oct 21 18:59:26 how about msl code Oct 21 18:59:28 can i get tha t? Oct 21 18:59:38 screen is clean and it still acts out Oct 21 19:13:23 JesusMcCloud: I've had that happen, and still sometimes happens to my device :(. Oct 21 19:13:37 although i have yet to sit down and super serious clean it yet. Oct 21 19:14:23 dtzWill, so you also dont have a concrete idea what could cause it ohter than dirt?! Oct 21 19:14:35 JesusMcCloud: bad connection to the screen? Oct 21 19:14:54 i also unfortunately finally let my screen get cracked a touch (i think, although sometimes what I think are cracks DO clean off) Oct 21 19:14:59 so that could be it too :/ Oct 21 19:15:15 solution: buy a pre 2 when it comes out Oct 21 19:15:16 xD Oct 21 19:15:33 problem: where to get the money from? Oct 21 19:18:14 money faries, generally. Oct 21 19:18:28 although if you have a money tree growing in your backyard that can suffice as well. Oct 21 19:18:31 :/ Oct 21 19:18:42 s/faries/fairies/ Oct 21 19:18:42 dtzWill: What if I don't have faries _or_ a money tree? Oct 21 19:19:02 Mercury: :( Oct 21 19:19:24 threaten to say you don't believe in them Oct 21 19:19:30 and one will appear to save it's own skin Oct 21 19:19:32 lol Oct 21 19:20:01 anyway i'm just saying that i haven't looked into it super seriously myself b/c I'm hoping to get some new hardware soon, as lame as that is. Oct 21 19:20:28 not a software bug, happened across doctorings for me. Oct 21 19:21:39 hmmm well i hope it is a software bug and if not i hope i still have warrenty Oct 21 19:29:37 i can play all the video on the player of palm pre ??? Oct 21 19:41:43 any other way to get a msl besides calling sprint ? Oct 21 19:41:43 all what video? Oct 21 19:42:01 all the video on the phon Oct 21 19:42:03 phone Oct 21 19:43:37 consecutively Oct 21 19:48:44 macman_: only from sprint Oct 21 19:48:48 they give it away easly Oct 21 19:55:23 how ? Oct 21 19:55:29 can i chat them ? Oct 21 19:56:23 Can i say .. im thinking of joining the sprint family .. i was given a sprint phone so i can see how it works .. the front screen is asking me for a MSL ? Oct 21 19:58:23 en0x, ? Oct 21 20:00:16 why not? Oct 21 20:00:18 :D Oct 21 20:02:11 what do i say ? Oct 21 20:02:19 what if they ask me if it is my account or who is the account holder Oct 21 20:03:51 en0x, should i provide my real first ane last name ? Oct 21 20:03:54 or the account holder Oct 21 20:22:02 1:18:06 PM PDT : Dave S: I understand you want to know the MSL code. Correct? Oct 21 20:22:07 lol Oct 21 20:22:39 1:18:41 PM PDT : Dave S: May I please have the ESN/DEC number from your new phone? It can be found inside your phone under the battery. Oct 21 20:27:50 en0x, wow to easy Oct 21 20:27:51 scary Oct 21 20:32:29 ok Oct 21 20:32:30 i have msl Oct 21 20:32:40 how do i bypass this app or first screen use Oct 21 21:10:32 this is gonna kill me Oct 21 21:10:32 lol Oct 21 21:19:56 macman_: WebOS Internals MetaDoctor Oct 21 21:21:52 rwhitby: he's been trying to figure that out for hours now Oct 21 21:22:25 I thought we got him to the point where he was going to run it just before I left work 2 1/2 hours ago Oct 21 21:24:43 haha Loudergood Oct 21 21:25:00 I see now you're missing volume buttons? Oct 21 21:25:06 yes yes Oct 21 21:25:09 so i been stuck Oct 21 21:25:10 did you ever get into recovery mode? Oct 21 21:25:13 i got msl form sprint :D Oct 21 21:25:27 no no volume butotn remember phone isn't being recognized by metadoctor Oct 21 21:26:26 it's not going to be until you put it into recovery mode Oct 21 21:28:21 ugh Oct 21 21:28:24 no volume button Oct 21 21:28:26 0_o Oct 21 21:29:04 well...what's in the hole where it should be? Oct 21 21:29:25 there must be something to push Oct 21 21:29:40 macman_ do you have access to a second human who can plug in the USB cable while you toothpick in the button? Oct 21 21:29:49 because until you get that done, you're el-stucko Oct 21 21:30:02 i see no button Oct 21 21:30:12 rwhitby: can I tag along in the preware 2.0 planning session? Oct 21 21:30:14 or do i have to put toothpick in the top left corner Oct 21 21:30:32 but there's a hole, I looked at the photo you posted. Oct 21 21:31:20 can you repost .. i forgot picture Oct 21 21:31:24 Rick_work: going to NYC DevDay I hear? Oct 21 21:31:27 http://i54.tinypic.com/35mjjuf.jpg Oct 21 21:31:31 yes Rod. Oct 21 21:31:46 and attempting to pay more attention to things. Oct 21 21:31:48 Rick_work, the corner where it looks brown ? Oct 21 21:32:07 noooo... macman_ Oct 21 21:32:07 you can try and push 'x' on the keyboard while booting too - that's supposed to work but I haven't tried it Oct 21 21:32:43 look, that slot is where the volume up and down button rubber cover has been ripped out. Oct 21 21:32:57 If you look into the slot, there's a rocker behind it. Oct 21 21:33:15 but try the "X" - I forgot about that completely Oct 21 21:33:36 one sec Oct 21 21:33:39 Sharing a room with roy pre101 Oct 21 21:33:46 i was messing with pre has codes and im in demo mode Oct 21 21:33:48 :D Oct 21 21:33:50 hah Oct 21 21:33:52 getting into LGA thursday evening late... Oct 21 21:34:03 Rick_work: I'm at the four points sheraton apparently Oct 21 21:34:03 departing sunday am early. Oct 21 21:34:15 ooooooo la - de - da. Oct 21 21:34:28 * halfhalo is at a budget hotel Oct 21 21:34:50 roy and I are sharing at the embassy suites. Oct 21 21:35:12 * rwhitby would prefer Embassy Suites to tell you the truth - I like that chain. Oct 21 21:35:17 which is at the tip of manhattan, but the connections are good. Oct 21 21:35:34 * halfhalo gets in at 3:40pm on thursday and leaves at noon on sunday Oct 21 21:35:36 Spent many weeks in Austin and Chicago in Embassy Suites Oct 21 21:35:39 I like them too. Oct 21 21:35:48 * halfhalo is also staying at the westin since he has points there apparently Oct 21 21:36:13 ahhh that makes sense Oct 21 21:36:21 * halfhalo would have prefered a courtyard marriot since he has more points there Oct 21 21:36:48 * rwhitby bbl Oct 21 21:41:20 ok Oct 21 21:41:23 so x at boot is Oct 21 21:41:35 take out battery .. hold x and put battery in and press power correct ? Oct 21 21:44:32 Rick_work, halfhalo all you guys thanks .. taking another picture ok so im doing this right Oct 21 21:44:58 yes macman just like vol-up. Oct 21 21:45:19 and then after power comes up and you get the weird symbol THEN plug in the USB cable. Oct 21 21:47:15 http://i54.tinypic.com/acr8mp.jpg Oct 21 21:47:17 new pic Oct 21 21:48:12 Rick_work, if you see on teh right by my index finger .. there is only the bump looking thing Oct 21 21:51:42 ok, I'm confused, but then, that's not what mine looks like. Oct 21 21:51:52 yea Oct 21 21:51:55 0_o Oct 21 21:54:19 well, I'm now officially weirded -- both my pre and my pre plus have the rubber-buttons, and under them is a small circuit board with little brown circles on it. This would take the space where your open slot in the first pick is. So, whoever broke that pre, actually BROKE OFF the volume switch. Oct 21 21:54:35 So, you're now down to trying the "Boot while pushing X thing. Oct 21 21:54:40 lol Oct 21 21:54:52 pull the battery. Press X and put the battery in and turn it on and see what happens. Oct 21 21:55:28 note that you to KEEP pressing "X" Oct 21 21:57:08 sprint customer service is so nice Oct 21 21:57:09 :D Oct 21 21:57:13 i think i can have them reset it remoteley Oct 21 21:57:16 or an they Oct 21 22:00:19 nope. Oct 21 22:00:36 that won't allow it to go into recovery mode so that you can doctor it. Oct 21 22:01:31 take apart the pre and press the vulume up contact by hand? Oct 21 22:02:30 he's have to short the right wires with a paperclip Oct 21 22:03:35 oh wow found a way out of this demo mode Oct 21 22:03:35 :D Oct 21 22:03:46 it let mes me fake a call like im doing something Oct 21 22:03:51 time to ##786# Oct 21 22:26:26 i created new folders on my imap server - is there a an easy way to refresh the folder strucure on my pre? Oct 21 23:06:34 * halfhalo found a cheaper hotel/flight combo Oct 21 23:06:59 nice Oct 21 23:07:04 689.77 plus free hotel shuttle to airport Oct 21 23:07:32 'x' didn't work for recovery mode? Oct 21 23:07:37 * Loudergood is driving at an ungodly time of the morning and taking the train in Oct 21 23:08:04 * halfhalo is going to try to stay at the Ramada Limited Jersey City Oct 21 23:09:56 Its like 20 for a cab each way, not to bad Oct 21 23:22:12 * halfhalo thinks everyone should meet up for dinner on thursday night Oct 21 23:27:34 * rwhitby prefers good Japanese after 27h travelling Oct 21 23:27:55 * halfhalo thinks that can be arranged Oct 21 23:28:40 econo or buisness class on the flight? Oct 21 23:31:21 heh, what do you think. Oct 21 23:31:35 (in truth, I don't have flight details yet0 Oct 21 23:31:57 I would think hp would spring for buisness Oct 21 23:33:40 have your ever worked for a large corporation? Oct 21 23:34:00 Does a college count? Oct 21 23:34:02 :p Oct 21 23:34:21 especially one coming out of a global financial crisis ... Oct 21 23:35:04 true... but econo for 27 hours would suck... Oct 21 23:35:32 nice govnah update rwhitby/oil/everyone involved Oct 21 23:36:18 heh, I used to work with IBM...but they're a little funny as far as large corporations go...they kind of wrote the book on that Oct 21 23:36:25 halfhalo: economy for 27h does suck. I've done it many times. Oct 21 23:36:38 business class for this trip would cost approx $10K more Oct 21 23:37:28 God, I can't remember the last time I flew economy on a flight longer than an hour... Oct 21 23:38:24 Last time I flew was first class, and the time before that was in an empty plane between AZ and LAX Oct 21 23:39:52 Although the zune hd is great for flights Oct 22 00:58:06 Great. My Pre has decided to start rebooting itself every 15 minutes or so. Oct 22 01:30:32 Hi Puff - you around? Oct 22 01:36:27 tenspd137: it helps if you say his full nick, it makes a little sound and is highlighted on his side Oct 22 01:36:30 PuffTheMagic: Oct 22 01:38:09 Oh - sorry. Oct 22 01:38:18 PuddTheMagic - you around? Oct 22 01:38:27 PuffTheMagic that is Oct 22 01:38:35 lol, nice Oct 22 01:38:45 yeah - I can type :P Oct 22 01:40:39 Anyway - I'll ask here - I have an armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi compiler. I compiled doom w/o problems by altering the make file to point to all the right places. Oct 22 01:40:45 Still doesn't work. Oct 22 01:41:31 In fact, I have a simple hello world program that works on qemu, but when I dump it to the palm./hello: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") emulator, all I get is: Oct 22 01:41:49 sorry - all I get is ./hello: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") Oct 22 01:42:05 Any ideas? Oct 22 01:46:03 i have no clue Oct 22 01:46:23 sorry :/ Oct 22 01:46:30 Eh - Worth a shot :) - Thanks anyway. Oct 22 01:46:38 that usually indicates you're running an x86 binary on a Pre Oct 22 01:47:15 Everyone here at least had some good ideas - I am working on Gentoo trying to do som wierd stuff, so, success is most likely less probable Oct 22 01:47:42 Oh - really? I compiled it with a cross compiler. Oct 22 01:47:46 hmmm Oct 22 01:49:18 even my hello program - file says: hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped Oct 22 01:50:16 tenspd137: dump question, but it is +x right? :) Oct 22 01:50:52 are you sure it's actually a compiled program, or is it text of some type ? Oct 22 01:52:14 tenspd137: did you use the correct toolchain version? Oct 22 01:52:50 tenspd137: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=toolchain/cs08q1armel/Makefile Oct 22 01:58:51 dtzWill: +x ? bpadalino: Yeah - it has to run with qemu-arm. It just outputs hello at the command line, but I figured it would do that in novaterm Oct 22 01:59:53 it just seems like a weird error if it is compiled Oct 22 02:00:00 tenspd137: silly question but making sure it was +x, although i'd imagine you'd get a permission denied error if it wasn't Oct 22 02:00:13 rwhitby: There is where you might get me - I was using PuffTheMagic's Gentoo instructions - I cross compiled an armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi toolchain Oct 22 02:00:27 dtzWill: oh - +x permission - gotcha Oct 22 02:00:46 although -x binaries don't do that, just saying that seems like your shell thinks it's a script not an executable was all Oct 22 02:01:27 dtzWill - nope - it is +x. If I try to run it on host machine, it won't go - needs qemu-arm to run. Oct 22 02:01:34 tenspd137: well, Palm uses the toolchain I linked to there. Oct 22 02:01:48 yeah. given everything else i'd imagine you had gotten that right :) Oct 22 02:02:33 * rwhitby has learnt never to mess with a working toolchain, nor try and redo it from scratch. Oct 22 02:03:31 haha - good point - I'll give it a shot and see what happens :P Oct 22 02:03:34 hehe Oct 22 02:03:58 tenspd137:learning the hard way......... Oct 22 02:09:29