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Oct 25 03:47:42 <Davide_> Is there a way to 'turn off' application categories in preware?
Oct 25 03:48:03 <rwhitby> select "All" ?
Oct 25 03:49:17 <Davide-NYC> Sorry, I was unclear. I'd like to filter out certain categories of application from being displayed or even updated for that matter.
Oct 25 03:49:39 <rwhitby> only through the blacklisting support
Oct 25 03:51:01 <Davide-NYC> OK. Is there a way for the Blacklisting support to enable 'Category" as a type?
Oct 25 03:51:48 <Davide-NYC> For example: Blacklist = Games , Search_Field = Category
Oct 25 03:52:20 <rwhitby> oil: Blacklist on category field?
Oct 25 03:52:55 <Davide-NYC> oil?
Oct 25 03:53:43 <rwhitby> http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/304
Oct 25 03:53:44 <summatusmentis> Davide-NYC: oil is the person who writes (or helps write? I'm not quite sure on the specifics) the Preware app
Oct 25 03:54:13 <Davide-NYC> Wow, you guys are fast.
Oct 25 03:56:08 <rwhitby> should be straight forward to implement.
Oct 25 03:56:44 <Davide-NYC> It would be huge. I have no use for distraction apps and I'm sure some of the gamers would love to not see the HP12C app.
Oct 25 03:57:11 <rwhitby> yeah, it's a good idea
Oct 25 03:57:23 <rwhitby> and now it's on the list :)
Oct 25 03:57:44 <Davide-NYC> Who do I send beer money to when it happens?
Oct 25 03:57:54 <Davide-NYC> :-)
Oct 25 03:58:35 * oil <-
Oct 25 03:58:36 <oil> xD
Oct 25 03:58:45 <summatusmentis> webos-internals is always looking for donations, also, maybe oil :)
Oct 25 03:59:57 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: speaking of webos-internals as an organization/community, is there a list of things that need to be done? I've got brief spurts of time occasionally that I'd be willing to use to contribute
Oct 25 04:00:50 <oil> js code?
Oct 25 04:00:59 <Davide-NYC> Alright webos brethren. $10USD for being so damn awesome.
Oct 25 04:01:05 <oil> check redmine
Oct 25 04:01:12 <summatusmentis> oil: are you asking me?
Oct 25 04:01:18 <oil> yeah
Oct 25 04:01:33 <summatusmentis> I'm teaching myself the coding side currently
Oct 25 04:01:43 <summatusmentis> I don't really have web dev experience
Oct 25 04:01:59 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: cheers - that will go towards buying some Pre 2's.
Oct 25 04:03:19 <Davide-NYC> What was HP thinking with an internal only refresh of the Pre?
Oct 25 04:03:21 <summatusmentis> oil: wrt to js code, if there are small bug fixes, that might be something within my skillset :)
Oct 25 04:03:56 <summatusmentis> "we need to put out a device to stay relevant-ish until we can get our real devices out"
Oct 25 04:04:00 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: they were thinking "what will make Rod happy"
Oct 25 04:04:00 <Davide-NYC> Alright folks I'm off. Please implement that category blacklist thing. I think a ton of people are going to be super excited about it.
Oct 25 04:04:01 <summatusmentis> >.>
Oct 25 04:04:07 <Davide-NYC> LOL
Oct 25 04:04:35 <Davide-NYC> I'm sure rod would love some better pixel density and a larer keyboard. (or maybe not)
Oct 25 04:04:42 <Davide-NYC> *larger
Oct 25 04:04:47 <Davide-NYC> cheers
Oct 25 04:04:48 <rwhitby> not if it means a larger phone
Oct 25 04:04:59 <summatusmentis> indeed, I like the pre size
Oct 25 04:05:09 <Davide-NYC> you saw that new dell device. (drool)
Oct 25 04:05:19 <Davide-NYC> gotta run.
Oct 25 04:13:59 <idontwan2know> so, in all the hubbub about new features in 2.0, there isn't, as of yet, a virtual keyboard
Oct 25 04:26:23 <joemomma4821> what's up?
Oct 25 04:26:34 <joemomma4821> I have a question for you guys.
Oct 25 04:26:51 <SineOt> someone might have an answer!
Oct 25 04:28:38 <joemomma4821> alright, so I have a heavily patched pre, and one day it randomly started resetting my launcher pages. I can add new ones, but on every luna restart it is back to 3, and it even changes my icon layouts back to default. i've even tried doctoring, to no eff
Oct 25 04:28:38 <joemomma4821> ect. ideas?
Oct 25 04:31:26 <joemomma4821> i've tried reinstalling patches and everything, of course.
Oct 25 04:31:54 <SineOt> did you use save/restore?
Oct 25 04:32:12 <joemomma4821> no.
Oct 25 04:32:41 <joemomma4821> am I pretty much SOL?
Oct 25 04:33:45 <SineOt> probably not, but I don't really know where to go from there
Oct 25 04:34:28 <joemomma4821> alright. I have no idea why... it will install the patches fine, but it resets them.
Oct 25 04:36:24 <joemomma4821> I'm out. thanks for trying.
Oct 25 04:39:54 <oldman90> I am an old guy with a new Palm Pre Plus who would love to install a virtual keyboard.
Oct 25 04:40:24 <dtzWill> best introduction ever.
Oct 25 04:40:57 <oldman90> Thank you. I am not too astute so I can use all of the help available.
Oct 25 04:41:25 <dtzWill> oldman90: you'll want to install preware, and use that to install the virtual keyboard.
Oct 25 04:41:53 <oldman90> Where and how do I start?
Oct 25 04:42:23 <dtzWill> I think rwhitby will be your main guy here if he's around
Oct 25 04:42:46 <dtzWill> but basically you'll need to put your device into developer mode, and then install preware via webos quickinstall.
Oct 25 04:42:57 <dtzWill> i don't field these questions often, so others probably have related links more handy :)
Oct 25 04:43:26 <SineOt> find the Preware Help APplication in the catalog, the one put out by Webos-Internals I think :)
Oct 25 04:43:29 <SineOt> It'll explain everything
Oct 25 04:43:43 <oldman90> Is getting into developer mode complicated?
Oct 25 04:43:57 <dtzWill> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install I think walks you through it, with links for more information for the steps.
Oct 25 04:44:08 <dtzWill> oldman90: developer mode couldn't be easier is the good news :).
Oct 25 04:44:26 <oldman90> Is getting into the development mode complicated?
Oct 25 04:44:45 <dtzWill> oldman90: no, it's easy :). http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Getting_started#Enabling_Developer_Mode
Oct 25 04:45:52 <oldman90> Is it possible to print this chat while using Firefox as my browser?
Oct 25 04:48:13 <dtzWill> I'm not sure. Firefox should let you browse those links while in this chat as well.
Oct 25 04:48:48 <oldman90> Which one should I browse first?
Oct 25 04:49:12 <SineOt> oldman90: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=org.preware.docs&applicationid=5582
Oct 25 04:49:35 <SineOt> get this from the Application Catalog on your phone, and it has everything you'll need to do laid out in real easy to follow steps
Oct 25 04:49:51 <oldman90> Will you stick with me while I try?
Oct 25 04:50:42 <dtzWill> oldman90: we'll be around as we can, I know i'll be here for the next hour or so.
Oct 25 04:50:55 <dtzWill> (in and out attending to things, but generally available)
Oct 25 04:51:50 <oldman90> Thank you I will browse the links. In the meantime I will attempt to print the chat.
Oct 25 04:54:06 <oldman90> Firefox did NOT print the entire chat - only the first 20 lines or so. <no grin>
Oct 25 04:56:22 <oldman90> FYI, I just bookmarked the three links you provided. Thank you once again.
Oct 25 04:56:59 <dtzWill> oldman90: very welcome. good luck. let us know if you get stuck, or need help or whatnot. :).
Oct 25 04:57:56 <oldman90> I just decided to copy an paste the chat into a Palm Pre folder I created. Good night.
Oct 25 04:59:21 <dtzWill> oldman90: sounds good. 'night :)
Oct 25 07:55:52 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 25 07:55:56 <swisstomcat> morning
Oct 25 07:57:19 <hape> morning
Oct 25 07:58:06 <swisstomcat> morgähn :)
Oct 25 12:59:16 <PuffTheMagic> .
Oct 25 13:07:47 <swisstomcat> ..
Oct 25 14:05:28 <Payne> Hey all
Oct 25 14:06:12 <Payne> anyone know if Rod or another knowledgable person on ROM and RAM
Oct 25 14:06:16 <Payne> is on
Oct 25 14:09:39 <swisstomcat> what's the question?
Oct 25 14:12:07 <Payne> What is the largest (in mb,gb) that a Rom or Ram chip can be currently
Oct 25 14:12:57 <Payne> i looked on wiki and google and could find a answer.. not sure if there is a determined number
Oct 25 14:13:05 <Payne> couldn't
Oct 25 14:15:57 <swisstomcat> not sure if i understand the question
Oct 25 14:16:07 <swisstomcat> how does it relate to webos?
Oct 25 14:16:42 <Payne> it could relate slightly but relates more to computing in general
Oct 25 14:17:50 <Payne> What I'm trying to find out is what is the maximum size a ROM chip or RAM chip can be made in size of space (ie 10 gb)
Oct 25 14:19:21 <Payne> it could help in a design i'm making for a instant on device
Oct 25 14:19:30 <Payne> or close to instant on
Oct 25 14:20:29 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 25 14:20:46 <swisstomcat> in one module or combined modules?
Oct 25 14:21:02 <Payne> prefered one module
Oct 25 14:24:15 <swisstomcat> can't you search for that on google? this is the webos-internals channel
Oct 25 14:25:31 <Payne> I know what the channel is.. I have searched.. I was hoping rod was around to pick his brian
Oct 25 14:27:42 <swisstomcat> rom or ram or both?
Oct 25 14:29:36 <Payne> prefer ROM
Oct 25 14:30:30 <swisstomcat> i thought the biggest NAND is 128GB
Oct 25 14:31:20 <swisstomcat> ah, it's a combined module: apparently the biggest single module ist 64Gbit
Oct 25 14:33:40 <Payne> swisstomcat: thank you
Oct 25 19:15:37 <sammy> I am lost. I'm seeing a core dump in libpurpleadapter at the same point in connecting to a gtalk account, over and over again. I turned verbosity up in lumberjack but still don't see whats causing the error, just that there's a null pointer exception in the transport callback. I backed out the last few installed patches and applications to no avail. I'm not sure where to go from here
Oct 25 19:17:20 <sammy> I've googled left and right for the error messages that appear in lumberjack, but I'm assuming its some odd combination of things I've installed through preware. I just doctored my phone for an unrelated never-ending reboot loop, but I could do it again and slowly walk through installing all 100 something patches and apps again, rather than having save/restore and preware return me to my previous state of installed apps and patches autom
Oct 25 20:10:20 <rsanchez> hello
Oct 25 20:11:59 <swisstomcat> hello
Oct 25 20:14:02 <silversuperman> just wondering if it would be possible to add to preware a search by developer. Sometimes I find my self looking for a patch or app specificaly by a certain developer
Oct 25 20:17:24 <rsanchez> probably is
Oct 25 20:17:30 <rsanchez> anything is possible really
Oct 25 20:18:18 <rsanchez> actually I was wondering if anyone here could help me get Qt running on my Pre
Oct 25 20:18:58 <dtzWill> rsanchez: there are some qt examples in preware i beleive
Oct 25 20:19:00 <dtzWill> *believ
Oct 25 20:19:07 <dtzWill> *believe
Oct 25 20:19:09 <dtzWill> sorry :)
Oct 25 20:19:32 <rsanchez> I downloaded them and when I try to open them in the launcher, the icon glows for a few seconds then nothing happens
Oct 25 20:20:47 <dtzWill> rsanchez: oh they're probably broken with 1.4.5 due to jailing. hmm.
Oct 25 20:21:03 <rsanchez> oh :(
Oct 25 20:21:07 <dtzWill> iirc they install the qt libs in a shared package, and then each demo knows where that is and expects them there.
Oct 25 20:21:23 <dtzWill> so if you were inclined you could probably just run it from the terminal w/o jailing and it should work. maybe.
Oct 25 20:22:01 <rsanchez> hmm let me see if I can get that to work
Oct 25 20:22:22 <rsanchez> sweet that did it
Oct 25 20:22:36 <rsanchez> got the spreadsheet demo loaded
Oct 25 20:23:21 <rsanchez> so what would it take to get the demo to load from the launcher instead of the terminal?
Oct 25 20:24:17 <dtzWill> rsanchez: not entirely sure. essentially copy the contents of the qt shared package into the demo package, and make sure the demo package knows where to look.
Oct 25 20:24:29 <dtzWill> might be as simple as setting the correct LD_LIBRARY_PATH, might be more complicated.
Oct 25 20:24:52 <dtzWill> I don't know exactly the details myself since I didn't create those packages, but.... that's the idea.
Oct 25 20:25:20 <dtzWill> also might want to look at his build scripts or w/e (should be in the build.git or something) and modify them accordingly.
Oct 25 20:25:34 <dtzWill> if you do, be sure to tell us so we can update them in preware :D
Oct 25 20:25:50 <rsanchez> alright I'll see if I'm up to it
Oct 25 20:26:16 <rsanchez> aw man the mandelbrot demo is nice
Oct 25 20:26:24 <rsanchez> runs much more quickly than anything in the app catalog
Oct 25 20:40:16 <lanny1990> Hey
Oct 25 20:49:33 <navinag> rwhitby:  what will be the intended use for TrueCrypt ib the latest UberKernel update?
Oct 25 20:50:28 <oil> a truecrypt app
Oct 25 20:51:54 <navinag> oil: meaning that you can enctypt files/partitions on your phone.  usage scenario please?....
Oct 25 20:52:16 <oil> something like that
Oct 25 20:53:43 <navinag> oil:  so if you encrypt you USB partition for instance....dont you need a client software on you PC or read it when placed in USB mode?
Oct 25 20:53:59 <oil> there is truecrypt software for the pc
Oct 25 20:55:27 <navinag> oil: ok makes sense now...i should have used google a bit more before coming to IRC....oh well....gave me an excuse to use WIRC :)
Oct 25 20:55:54 <oil> its no problem :)
Oct 25 21:05:16 <rsanchez> hey guys, just wondering if you know how to get a .bashrc for the Terminal app
Oct 25 21:05:38 <rsanchez> would be convenient to add an alias to quickly navigate to certain directories
Oct 25 21:10:18 <summatusmentis> rsanchez: you can install bash from preware
Oct 25 21:10:35 <summatusmentis> or you may be able to make a .bashrc or a .profile and just have it work
Oct 25 21:10:42 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure on that though
Oct 25 21:11:48 <rsanchez> I tried adding .bashrc in the directory that Terminal launches into but no dough
Oct 25 21:11:55 <rsanchez> I'll try bash from preware though
Oct 25 21:12:44 <summatusmentis> it may also be the case that the terminal app isn't actually a login shell, and so it doesn't attempt to read those files at the beginning
Oct 25 21:12:52 <summatusmentis> also maybe try a .profile file
Oct 25 21:14:27 <rsanchez> .profile looks like it's working
Oct 25 21:14:42 <rsanchez> yep works
Oct 25 21:14:45 <rsanchez> thanks a bunch!
Oct 25 21:14:56 <summatusmentis> ok, so probably what that means is that busybox (the software that provides shell access) doesn't know what to do with a .bashrc file
Oct 25 21:15:00 <summatusmentis> sure thing
Oct 25 21:15:22 <rsanchez> meh if it knows what to do with .profile it's good enough for me
Oct 25 21:15:37 <summatusmentis> right
Oct 25 21:15:52 <summatusmentis> I assume all that means is only bash knows about bashrc
Oct 25 21:15:54 <summatusmentis> which makes sense
Oct 25 21:28:29 <summatusmentis> what's the process for getting packages into optware/preware ?
Oct 25 22:14:10 <SineOt> rwhitby: any progress on getting the 2.0 doctor?
Oct 25 22:34:35 <rwhitby> SineOt: nope, don't even have an SFR serial number yet
Oct 25 22:36:58 <SineOt> lame
Oct 25 22:37:08 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: depends on the package.  PreCentral App Gallery is one method.
Oct 25 22:37:55 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: I'm interested in kerberos/openafs, specifically
Oct 25 22:38:03 <summatusmentis> so it's more "optware oriented"
Oct 25 22:38:15 <summatusmentis> and less "App Gallery", you know?
Oct 25 22:40:22 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 25 22:42:01 <en0x> any windows gurus here?
Oct 25 22:48:52 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: so, the first step is to create the Makefile that builds the package.  then post it.
Oct 25 22:49:30 <summatusmentis> post it anywhere? or to optware?
Oct 25 22:50:56 <rwhitby> post it anywhere, then we review it and if it's good it goes into optware
Oct 25 22:51:23 <summatusmentis> ok
Oct 25 22:51:31 <rwhitby> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware
Oct 25 22:51:39 <summatusmentis> oh yeah, I've seen that link
Oct 25 22:51:42 <summatusmentis> cool
Oct 25 22:51:56 <summatusmentis> I'm fairly certain a lot of the stuff is there, it might just need tweaking
Oct 25 22:52:14 <summatusmentis> (there being already available in openafs)
Oct 26 00:46:24 <jamesklyne> what's with everyone leaving Palm?
Oct 26 00:51:55 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure the "exodus" is actually that uncommon when small comapnies get bought by big ones
Oct 26 01:01:01 <chrisa> We're a bit past the "buyout exodus" time range
Oct 26 01:01:14 <chrisa> Unless they lay people off now
Oct 26 01:01:56 <bpadalino> hows new life, chrisa ?
Oct 26 01:02:14 <chrisa> Same as old, I just don't have an hp email address
Oct 26 01:02:26 <bpadalino> doing fun stuff?
Oct 26 01:15:48 <Rinku> can someone please show me a WORKING howto that describes sshing into my pixi?
Oct 26 01:16:04 <Rinku> cause this don't work
Oct 26 01:16:04 <Rinku> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenSSH_Install
Oct 26 01:26:05 <Rinku> can anyone guide me through sshing into my pixi
Oct 26 01:26:12 <Rinku> cause none of the howto's work
Oct 26 01:26:22 <bpadalino> :(
Oct 26 01:26:25 <bpadalino> that is a little sad
Oct 26 01:26:34 <summatusmentis> yes they do
Oct 26 01:26:38 <Rinku> yeah it keeps rejecting my rsa
Oct 26 01:26:43 <summatusmentis> I used the one you linked above to ssh into my pre
Oct 26 01:26:52 <summatusmentis> locally, I can't get dyndns working
Oct 26 01:27:06 <Rinku> and how did you manage to ipkg-opt install openssh
Oct 26 01:27:18 <summatusmentis> I think I used preware to install openssh
Oct 26 01:27:43 <summatusmentis> I don't remember off the top of my head
Oct 26 01:31:37 <Rinku> server refused our key
Oct 26 01:31:38 <Rinku> again
Oct 26 01:35:11 <bpadalino> oh noes
Oct 26 01:39:37 <Rinku> finally
Oct 26 01:39:46 <Rinku> whothe frak knew what the prob was
Oct 26 01:39:48 <Rinku> thx
Oct 26 02:39:18 <Davide-NYC> hello webos faithful, anybody take a look at that blacklist via category idea-feature?
Oct 26 02:45:43 <rwhitby> Rick_work: use Preware to install OpenSSH, not ipkg-opt.  Read the OpenSSH homepage link in Preware for instructions.
Oct 26 02:54:13 <Davide-NYC> Mr. Whitby, should I proselytize my feature request in the forums?
Oct 26 02:59:40 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: it's on the list, and oil or myself will likely get to it as we have spare time.  Alternatively, if someone else sends a correct patch, we would accept that.
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