**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 26 03:00:10 2010
Oct 26 03:00:42 <Davide-NYC> My question is more about how many people read the forums versus the IRC channel.
Oct 26 03:01:07 <Davide-NYC> If it's better publicity for a potential patcher in the forums I'll post there.
Oct 26 03:04:04 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: we have had only 1 external code contribution over the last year.  It seems we're not reaching the right development audience for contributing to WebOS Internals open source tools.
Oct 26 03:04:26 * oil has no memory of someone actually submitting a patch when rwhitby says that xD
Oct 26 03:05:03 <rwhitby> oil: Terminal special keys
Oct 26 03:07:51 <Davide-NYC> Hmm. That's a shame. I used to hang out over at the Rockbox project and they had a lot of activity. I wonder why there are so few submitters as WebOS must have a larger audience than Rockbox.
Oct 26 03:08:31 <rwhitby> we have 15 people on the team
Oct 26 03:14:55 <summatusmentis> but WebOS as a whole probably has a higher user base
Oct 26 03:15:35 <SineOt> yeah, but the problem arrises when you've got a smaller percentage of users who 1) know to find webOS internals type stuff and 2) submit it
Oct 26 03:16:17 <summatusmentis> if no one gets to it by next week I can try and look at it then
Oct 26 03:16:21 <summatusmentis> but not before then
Oct 26 03:18:08 <summatusmentis> I also make no guarantees of being capable of submitting a correct patch
Oct 26 03:19:12 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: patches should be against master right? vs. stable?
Oct 26 03:25:09 <summatusmentis> wait, this request is... is it really only a matter of adding Category to the proper list?
Oct 26 03:25:31 <rsanchez> I have a question about uber kernel if anyone here can answer
Oct 26 03:28:01 <Davide-NYC> summatusmentis: yes, that's the only thing
Oct 26 03:28:21 <Davide-NYC> I just posted some cool mockup screenshots: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2731626#post2731626
Oct 26 03:29:00 <rsanchez> I'm developing apps and I think it's a good idea to test apps at the stock cpu speed
Oct 26 03:29:13 <rsanchez> you can have the normal speed with uber kernel right?
Oct 26 03:32:49 <summatusmentis> Davide-NYC: sorry, I meant in the code specifically
Oct 26 03:33:35 <summatusmentis> because if so, that's a patch of like... 2 lines, maybe
Oct 26 03:34:11 <Davide-NYC> I haven't looked at the code so I do not know, but if it seems that simple I can say from experience that it probably isn't.
Oct 26 03:34:26 <Davide-NYC> Try it
Oct 26 03:34:31 <Davide-NYC> ;-)
Oct 26 03:34:40 <halfhalo> rsanchez: I do believe so
Oct 26 03:36:08 <SineOt> rsanchez: I think you'd still have any of the kernel compile options, but those shouldn't be that much of a gamechanger compared to testing on say, an 800mhz Pre or somethin'
Oct 26 03:37:01 <rsanchez> I just want to have the option of setting the CPU speed to the stock 500mhz when I'm testing an app
Oct 26 03:37:08 <halfhalo> use govnah
Oct 26 03:37:14 <summatusmentis> you can absolutely do that with UK and govnah
Oct 26 03:37:16 <halfhalo> it will let you
Oct 26 03:37:41 <rsanchez> ok thanks
Oct 26 03:38:06 <rsanchez> are all of you overclocking?
Oct 26 03:38:28 <halfhalo> possibly....
Oct 26 03:38:33 * halfhalo can't remember
Oct 26 03:38:36 <SineOt> I'm even overclocking my Pixi :x
Oct 26 03:38:54 <summatusmentis> rsanchez: yep
Oct 26 03:39:05 <halfhalo> My overclock is overclocked!!!
Oct 26 03:39:45 <rsanchez> have any quick tips if I choose to clock at 1Ghz?
Oct 26 03:40:08 <summatusmentis> my battery can't handle 1Ghz, so none from me
Oct 26 03:40:11 <SineOt> test it?
Oct 26 03:40:30 <SineOt> my gf's pre can't handle 1ghz, it gets static on the display. It's kind of weird
Oct 26 03:40:44 <summatusmentis> mine runs fine at 1Ghz
Oct 26 03:40:48 <summatusmentis> it just kills the battery
Oct 26 03:40:55 <rsanchez> summatusmentis: how quickly does it kill the battery
Oct 26 03:41:10 <summatusmentis> erm... I haven't actually clocked it
Oct 26 03:41:22 <summatusmentis> my battery just dies noticably sooner than it does at 720
Oct 26 03:41:33 <rsanchez> would you say it dies in an hour?
Oct 26 03:41:40 <rsanchez> from 100%
Oct 26 03:41:51 <summatusmentis> no
Oct 26 03:41:57 <summatusmentis> probably something like 5 or 6?
Oct 26 03:42:03 <rsanchez> oh that's fine
Oct 26 03:42:03 <summatusmentis> maybe as long as 7, but that seems long
Oct 26 03:42:12 <rsanchez> I'm normally not away from a charger for longer than four hours
Oct 26 03:42:44 <summatusmentis> oh, see, I need mine to last the whole day until I get home at night
Oct 26 03:42:48 <summatusmentis> there's no good way to charge on campus
Oct 26 03:43:02 <summatusmentis> I always carry a usb cable with me :(
Oct 26 03:44:07 <rsanchez> I just go to a computer lab and charge when I'm not in class
Oct 26 03:46:06 <summatusmentis> I don't have time
Oct 26 03:46:20 <summatusmentis> I also use my phone for music and stuff
Oct 26 03:46:57 <SineOt> Energizer Energy to Go/Xpal power packs
Oct 26 03:47:05 <SineOt> they pop up on Woot from time to time
Oct 26 03:47:28 <SineOt> we've got one that can either recharge my Pixi twice on one charge, or give my netbook another 4 hours
Oct 26 03:47:32 <rsanchez> I only use it for web browsing in class
Oct 26 03:47:40 <rsanchez> play card ace sometimes
Oct 26 03:47:45 <rsanchez> music and stuff in between
Oct 26 03:51:01 <Loudergood> ever since I turned off phone data my battery life has soared
Oct 26 03:51:24 <Loudergood> and I pretty much have wifi everywhere
Oct 26 03:51:48 <summatusmentis> I need to figure out a way for my phone to auto-login to my uni wireless
Oct 26 03:52:45 <Loudergood> my campus just rolled out a better solution...the web based gateway was frustrating
Oct 26 03:53:02 <summatusmentis> indeed
Oct 26 03:53:25 <SineOt> I'm just glad my campus is a really good sprint coverage area
Oct 26 03:53:29 <SineOt> since I have no wifi :V
Oct 26 03:53:57 <Loudergood> I'm probably about 30 miles from the nearest sprint tower
Oct 26 03:57:25 <rsanchez> I just installed uber kernel, but the highest speed it is allowing is 600MHz
Oct 26 03:57:54 <summatusmentis> did you reboot?
Oct 26 03:58:06 <rsanchez> yep
Oct 26 03:58:39 <rsanchez> I'm gonan reboot again just in case
Oct 26 04:02:53 <rsanchez> Govnah still doesn't show me speeds higher than 600
Oct 26 04:03:51 <summatusmentis> hrm
Oct 26 04:08:09 <rwhitby> do you see a temperature in govnah?
Oct 26 04:08:27 <rsanchez> it shows as N/A
Oct 26 04:09:27 <rwhitby> you don't have uberkernel installed properly then
Oct 26 04:10:20 <rsanchez> hmm
Oct 26 04:10:29 <rsanchez> I just installed it off preware
Oct 26 04:10:29 <rwhitby> did you install it using preware?
Oct 26 04:10:46 <rwhitby> did you reboot the phone (not luna restart, full device shutdown and reboot)
Oct 26 04:11:47 <rsanchez> let me try that again see if it helps
Oct 26 04:12:02 <rwhitby> if it took less than 5 minutes, it wasn't a full reboot
Oct 26 04:12:24 <rsanchez> you mean hold the lock button down, then power > restart reboot?
Oct 26 04:14:05 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 26 04:18:37 <rsanchez> ok reboot finished, temperature showing, testing speed...
Oct 26 04:19:46 <rsanchez> have it running at 800MHz
Oct 26 04:19:50 <rsanchez> thanks rwhitby
Oct 26 04:19:57 <bpadalino> hopefully someone in france gets their pre2 soon so the 2.0 doctor can be ripped apart
Oct 26 04:20:34 <rsanchez> bpadalino: someone in France has to have a pre 2 by now
Oct 26 04:20:42 <rsanchez> at least I hope so
Oct 26 04:20:54 <bpadalino> they were online only orders .. not sure how long it takes to ship
Oct 26 04:21:04 <rsanchez> oh I see
Oct 26 04:23:30 <rsanchez> nice, looks like my phone is running fine at 1Ghz
Oct 26 04:23:36 <bpadalino> congrats
Oct 26 07:42:46 <[AD]Turbo> yo all
Oct 26 07:43:36 <swisstomcat> yo
Oct 26 08:50:56 <pandora--> sweet. the smart channel.
Oct 26 08:53:00 <pandora--> might anyone here be able to point me in the right direction in finding some documentation on BrowerServer ?
Oct 26 08:53:37 <pandora--> I'm trying to find out how it resolves pageIdentifier parameter that it uses to talk with webview widgets
Oct 26 11:29:58 <hape> do somebody know if a pdk app can handel lauch parameters? I would like to implement the same parameter in Navit to start routing to a destination as the google maps app offers.
Oct 26 15:31:50 <morphis> heyho
Oct 26 15:32:07 <morphis> rwhitby: ping
Oct 26 15:37:46 <morphis> anybody here has already access to the Pre 2 and can tell me anything about the internal modem hardware / software which drives it from webos?
Oct 26 15:38:08 <morphis> is it the same application (TelephonyInterfaceLayerGsm/Cdma) like on the Pre / Pre Plus devices?
Oct 26 16:24:27 <dtzWill> morphis: afaik no one here has one, still waiting on even getting a serial/doctor link if I understand correctly.
Oct 26 16:24:45 <dtzWill> :(
Oct 26 18:09:01 <bsm> hi, how save is it to delete PalmDatabase.db3 ? Does webOS restore it? Of course I know that I'll loose all contacts, calendars and messages and call logs.
Oct 26 18:09:14 <bsm> I want to get rid of this without partially wipe my phone
Oct 26 19:03:41 <kai_office> The wiki for WebOS_Internals_PDK says that make stage has errors. Anybody been able to work around these issues?
Oct 26 19:03:54 <kai_office> doh, nvm
Oct 26 19:03:56 <kai_office> read the topic
Oct 26 19:05:22 <dtzWill> errr did he think that webos SDK == webosinternals PDK?
Oct 26 19:06:10 <halfhalo> Maybe?
Oct 26 19:57:17 <SineOtter> Any progress on getting the 2.0 doctor?
Oct 26 19:57:41 <SineOtter> Things get all the more confusing:  https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/webOSDoctors-1.4.5/Palm-webOS-Doctor_webOS-Sprint-Pixie_pixie_sprint.jar also hosts webOS doctors!
Oct 26 19:59:48 <SineOtter> Although hm, altering URLs makes it -real- weird. There's no Sprint-Pre_pre_sprint.jar
Oct 26 19:59:51 <swisstomcat> hmm
Oct 26 20:01:38 <SineOtter> that link hosted the Sprint Pixi 1.4.5 doctor for Sprint prior to Sprint's official release, but the naming conventions are completely unknown
Oct 27 00:41:32 <ajay> hey guys!
Oct 27 00:41:54 <ajay> I was just trying the reverse of what engadget found in terms of apps
Oct 27 00:42:04 <ajay> I'm trying to get n900 apps to work on my Pre+!
Oct 27 00:42:31 <bpadalino> neat
Oct 27 00:42:58 <ajay> But I'm missing libraries from the n900
Oct 27 00:43:06 <bpadalino> uh oh
Oct 27 00:43:13 <ajay> I don't suppose anyone here has such a beast?
Oct 27 00:43:31 <ajay> My current goals are to get Opera Mobile and Skype running
Oct 27 00:43:40 <bpadalino> those are admirable goals ..
Oct 27 00:44:09 <ajay> I managed to get all the libraries for TuxPaint for Maemo and it loaded up fine.. well, as well as my own port of TuxPaint to the Pre went. (full of graphic artifacts. Bah)
Oct 27 00:44:26 <SineOt> Skype is kind of moot given it's coming with the Pre 2 in a few weeks/months on Verizon
Oct 27 00:44:30 <bpadalino> the n900 doesn't have a firmware update that contains all the libs ?
Oct 27 00:44:41 <ajay> "a few months".. I've heard that before :)
Oct 27 00:44:54 <ajay> I actually need skype now, and won't in a few months.
Oct 27 00:45:26 <ajay> Yeah there are assuredly images online, but I'm not smart enough to extract what I need from it, assuming I could get access to it
Oct 27 00:45:42 <ajay> (On one forum they made it seem like you need to register, give your IMEI, etc.. gah!)
Oct 27 00:46:09 <SineOt> that rumor that'd been going for a while saying Verizon would launch new Palm stuff on November 11th is only a few weeks ;x
Oct 27 00:47:25 <ajay> SineOt: uhh.. yeah, that doesn't really relate to me
Oct 27 00:47:49 <SineOt> it's going to get backported/ported just like Mobile Hotspot
Oct 27 00:49:52 <rwhitby> ajay: what libs are missing?  are they in our WIDK ?
Oct 27 00:49:59 <ajay> SineOt: I live in the now.
Oct 27 00:50:16 <ajay> for Opera I am now at liblocation.so.0 which I think is nokia-specific
Oct 27 00:50:31 <ajay> skype I need a copy of, which is preinstalled on the n900
Oct 27 00:51:41 <ajay> I need a copy of ldd for WebOS actually :)
Oct 27 00:51:53 <rwhitby> ajay: checked on the device?
Oct 27 00:53:49 <ajay> rwhitby: for which? opera itself is complaining of missing liblocation.so.0
Oct 27 00:54:18 <ajay> someone on #maemo said skype is very telepathy and GTK-intensive so might not be possible.
Oct 27 00:54:48 <rwhitby> ajay: ah, we only have ld, nm, readelf, and objdump on device on the Pre, not ldd
Oct 27 00:55:20 <rwhitby> ajay: you could run a cross-compilation ldd on the desktop
Oct 27 00:56:16 <ajay> Yeah I don't have my WIDK environment in front of me, else I could just build ldd
Oct 27 00:57:36 <dtzWill> ajay, rwhitby: isn't ldd just setting environment variables anwyway?
Oct 27 00:58:26 <ajay> Maybe I'm talking about the wrong cmd, I thought ldd told you which libraries your app is looking for.. yeah looking at the man page seems to confirm that
Oct 27 00:58:30 <dtzWill> i can't connect to my pre easily from here, but "cat `which ldd`" on my linux box shows things like LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1
Oct 27 00:58:38 <dtzWill> it's a shell script :)
Oct 27 00:59:13 <ajay> I'm pretty much trying to figure out which libraries opera needs to run, but am doing it one at a time
Oct 27 00:59:19 <ajay> dtw: holy crap you're right!! haha
Oct 27 00:59:56 <dtzWill> yeah just confirmed painfull via terminal on my pre haha
Oct 27 01:00:03 <dtzWill> LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 ls
Oct 27 01:00:12 <dtzWill> gives you exactly what you expect from ldd
Oct 27 01:00:12 <dtzWill> :)
Oct 27 01:03:22 <dtzWill> ajay: worky? :)
Oct 27 01:03:36 <ajay> dtzWill: I copied ldd from my desktop, but yes, they give identical results
Oct 27 01:03:37 <ajay> :)
Oct 27 01:03:47 <ajay> Wow that's like too easy
Oct 27 01:04:07 <ajay> So I guess I fail and nobody in here has an n900?
Oct 27 01:04:54 <dtzWill> ajay: try #maemo maybe?
Oct 27 01:05:28 <ajay> they are NOT helpful, I was there first (and remain there :)
Oct 27 01:06:06 <ajay> They've got preenv. maybe we can get n900env ? ;^)
Oct 27 01:06:55 <dtzWill> ajay: i'm with you, that'd be sweet.
Oct 27 01:06:59 <rwhitby> ajay: I have an n800, but not an n900
Oct 27 01:07:16 <dtzWill> while back I looked into what it'd take to port over maemo things, but had a hard time getting things to build
Oct 27 01:07:38 <dtzWill> since i thought much of it used libqt, and we had qt working a while back, etc.
Oct 27 01:07:50 <dtzWill> additionally i tried to get it working on x--in theory that works too? all of it was fail iirc.
Oct 27 01:09:00 <dtzWill> also i'd love to get n900 stuff on webos, so good luck and I'll help if/as I can :)
Oct 27 01:10:08 <ajay> Hmm.. yeah opera has a bunch of X11 and GTK-related libraries it's using, I wonder if that will stop it.. Does Maemo/Meego run X??
Oct 27 01:10:45 <dtzWill> I didn't think it did?! but I suppose I really have no idea. shame maemo guys aren't helping us with this :D
Oct 27 01:10:46 <ajay> rwhitby: is the n800 a diff, incompatible processor I assume?
Oct 27 01:11:21 <ajay> dtzWill: Cool, I'm glad it wasn't just a pipe dream nobody'd be interested in. I wonder if all the dev houses know the platforms are so similar -- if so there should be no reason someone wouldn't port/write for both??
Oct 27 01:11:23 <rwhitby> ajay: I forget, haven't turned it on for at least a year.
Oct 27 01:12:21 <ajay> rwhitby: heh.. my friend has an n810 he hasn't turned on for awhile as well, he tried to sell it to me, and then i eventually gave up not having a cell phone and got a pre
Oct 27 01:12:32 <ajay> my dream will remain an inreality until there's a SIP client on WebOS tho :(
Oct 27 01:14:44 <ajay> dtzWill: do you want to have a go at getting apart the n900 firmware image? My HDD is full at the moment
Oct 27 01:17:25 <dtzWill> ajay: I'm at work atm :D. but yeah I can poke at it.
Oct 27 01:17:40 <dtzWill> probably don't have time presently, at least in the near future, to lead an effort on getting taht happening.. as much as i'd like to :)
Oct 27 01:17:49 <dtzWill> ajay: you have a link for the image?
Oct 27 01:18:17 <dtzWill> (to be clear while I'm at work I have access to personally owned machines I can do this on lol)
Oct 27 01:18:55 <ajay> dtzWill: I think this will do it: http://europe.nokia.com/support/download-software/device-software-update?N900=#?t=convergence&ca=godeeper&lid=convergence_godeeper_displayad_n900updatesoftware_banner_176x152&lpos=row2_position2
Oct 27 01:19:23 <ajay> dtzWill: I'm not looking for a lot of work, just access to the files would be enough, for the stubs we need (for phase 1? :)
Oct 27 01:19:34 <ajay> hmm, I should post about this on PC as well actually
Oct 27 01:19:42 <dtzWill> go go wget
Oct 27 01:23:17 <ajay> oh that was a web url not a direct link, sorry!
Oct 27 01:23:37 <dtzWill> oh no worries i found the link. although it's a .exe and can't find a reasonable way to extract it remotely.
Oct 27 01:26:37 <ajay> dtzWill: Yeah if I was on my linux box I'd wine it.. I bet there's a more reasonable image somewhere, come to think of it..
Oct 27 01:30:08 <dtzWill> that exe doesn't seem to contain the firmrware.
Oct 27 01:30:26 <dtzWill> extractracted, and don't see anything firmwaresque.... and there' a msi file that contains references to things like download manager
Oct 27 01:31:09 <dtzWill> and the thing is a 35M exe anyway, doubt that's the size of their image :)
Oct 27 01:31:13 <dtzWill> (compressed or no)
Oct 27 01:31:58 <dtzWill> bummer :)
Oct 27 01:32:11 <ajay> dtzWill: Ah yes, looks like I sent you down the wrong rabbit hole. oops!
Oct 27 01:32:23 <dtzWill> oh no worries :).
Oct 27 01:32:28 <dtzWill> unless you did it on purpose >:O :D
Oct 27 01:32:59 <ajay> hah, definitely not! I expected it to contain it, but it seems to be more common these days, to have a download for a downloader. gross
Oct 27 01:33:30 <dtzWill> haha yeah. anyway i was joking, it's all good :).
Oct 27 01:34:50 <ajay> <jdphone> ~pr1.3
Oct 27 01:34:50 <ajay> <infobot> it has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last)
Oct 27 01:34:50 <ajay>           software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25
Oct 27 01:34:50 <ajay>           2010. More information at
Oct 27 01:34:50 <ajay>           http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-upd
Oct 27 01:34:50 <ajay>           ate-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or
Oct 27 01:34:50 <ajay>           http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Note
Oct 27 01:34:51 <ajay>           s_v1_7_en.txt, or
Oct 27 01:34:51 <ajay>           http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-2
Oct 27 01:35:10 <dtzWill> nub question, what's fremantle?
Oct 27 01:36:29 <ajay> I dunno, just that there's a diablo, and fremantle.. versions? distros? hrmm..
Oct 27 01:36:38 <dtzWill> do they have an sdk one can install?
Oct 27 01:36:45 <ajay> actually, looking at what I just pasted, I realize I a) flooded and b) don't think I gave useful info
Oct 27 01:36:54 <ajay> dtzWill: Yes! That would surely contain an image huh?
Oct 27 01:37:18 <dtzWill> maybe maybe not but hopefully will provide a way to run things that isn't dratsically different than on-device
Oct 27 01:37:32 <dtzWill> like native emulator or something :(. but maybe that's not good enough. really we just need an n900 image.
Oct 27 01:37:39 <dtzWill> lame that they're apparently guarded things :(.
Oct 27 01:37:45 <ajay> I installed it on my server (which I have cli access to only), and was able to access several of the libs I need from there..
Oct 27 01:37:46 * dtzWill hugs his pre doctor images
Oct 27 01:38:01 <ajay> It's a scratchbox as well
Oct 27 01:38:07 <dtzWill> yeah, saw that :).
Oct 27 01:38:44 <ajay> There are pieces I don't have access to though, being all non-GUI, and unable to virtualize
Oct 27 01:39:46 <ajay> dtzWill: ~flashing yields: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware but this is what i was saying earlier, that you need a device to get the fw (or so it seems)
Oct 27 01:39:53 <ajay> so yeah I guess you're right, more guarded!
Oct 27 01:40:05 <dtzWill> yeah :/.
Oct 27 01:40:36 <ajay> dtzWill: Oh wait, maybe I'm wrong, looks like the UK version has it!
Oct 27 01:40:43 <ajay> And better yet, since the UK version will have skype too!
Oct 27 01:40:48 <dtzWill> lol! what?
Oct 27 01:41:04 <dtzWill> oh wooooow.
Oct 27 01:41:06 <ajay> dtzWill: Flash your pre, quick!
Oct 27 01:41:08 <dtzWill> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_UK_variant_firmware etc?
Oct 27 01:41:11 <ajay> haha
Oct 27 01:41:16 <dtzWill> haha
Oct 27 01:41:28 <ajay> oh crap i was wrong
Oct 27 01:42:04 <dtzWill> rofl some of those links go to the same url as before hahaha
Oct 27 01:42:08 <ajay> I guess i'll just go to the OS/2 users group meeting and be done with all this for today :)
Oct 27 01:42:12 <dtzWill> but http://rapidshare.com/files/346892600/RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1.203.2_PR_F5_203_ARM.bin or so
Oct 27 01:42:15 <ajay> dtzWill: yeah that's what I realized
Oct 27 01:42:17 <ajay> oh!!
Oct 27 01:42:31 <dtzWill> (via their mameo.org wiki, i'm not trying to post anything illegal here guys)
Oct 27 01:42:42 <dtzWill> that's the public release 1:1 from 2009
Oct 27 01:42:47 <dtzWill> s/1:1/1.1/g
Oct 27 01:42:48 <infobot> dtzWill meant: that's the public release 1.1 from 2009
Oct 27 01:42:57 <ajay> and it didn't even make me wait 30s either! wow
Oct 27 01:43:00 <ajay> oh
Oct 27 01:43:22 <ajay> that won't have skype either then, but maybe those libs i need
Oct 27 01:43:47 <dtzWill> okay i'd rather not dl this onto work machine, and don't feel like fighting rapidshare remotely :).
Oct 27 01:43:54 <dtzWill> hopefully you can make something of that :D
Oct 27 01:44:13 <dtzWill> and it's not an executable that launches a download manager :D :P
Oct 27 01:46:08 <dtzWill> alright i'm heading home. gl, i'll probably be on later :).
Oct 27 01:46:14 <ajay> you have to fight rapidshare?
Oct 27 01:46:28 <ajay> I don't have hdd space to d/l an image, unfortunately
Oct 27 01:46:37 <ajay> But I am curious how easy/hard it'll be to extract
Oct 27 01:46:50 <dtzWill> ajay: errr don't you?
Oct 27 01:46:50 <dtzWill> oh
Oct 27 01:46:58 <dtzWill> i thought it'd put me through some javascript timer server delay thing
Oct 27 01:47:05 <dtzWill> that i had no patience for
Oct 27 01:47:08 <dtzWill> but seems like it's  dl'ing
Oct 27 01:47:11 <dtzWill> slow, but dl'ing
Oct 27 01:47:17 <dtzWill> ETA 25m :(
Oct 27 01:47:33 <ajay> dtzWill: Actually on my server I do, so I guess if cli access is enough them I can probably hack it
Oct 27 01:47:48 <ajay> might be back later today..
Oct 27 01:49:32 <ajay> dtzWill: yeah I know.. ~68k/s
Oct 27 01:53:32 <SineOt> oh, speaking of tweets: rwhitby, what's the "alpha" stuff mentioned for the Pixi kernels?
Oct 27 01:53:55 <rwhitby> Pixi overclocking
Oct 27 01:54:21 <SineOt> Ah
Oct 27 01:55:31 <ajay> would starting a page on WebOS internals wiki for this effort be appropriate?
Oct 27 01:56:15 <dtzWill> ajay: seems reasonable enough to me. we have a research page that might be appropriate until it graduates. not sure if others have opinions or if it matters :)
Oct 27 01:56:48 <dtzWill> also watching the "managing your webos 2.0 workspace" video i'm just blown away by how many damn cards he has open at once haha
Oct 27 01:58:31 <ajay> okay will try to remember this later.. maybe a forum thread on PC, and/or a research page on WOI.. will try to do this tonight.. exciting!
Oct 27 01:58:34 <ajay> ttfn
Oct 27 01:58:40 <dtzWill> ajay: cya, tigger :)
Oct 27 01:59:19 <dtzWill> hmm my touchscreen has been really acting up lately. there's a crack growing from the usb port, would that cause craziness?
Oct 27 01:59:42 <dtzWill> last time i asked i was told to clean it but i tried and doesn't seem to help :(
Oct 27 02:12:53 <navinag> rwhitby: my pre seems a bit sluggish after the recent UberKernel update.  I run at 1ghz/125 mhz. ....screenstate and have been running that way for months. Did anything other and support for TrueCrypt change that migt affect performance?
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