**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 28 02:59:57 2010 Oct 28 03:24:05 re Oct 28 03:24:18 re Oct 28 03:25:32 what's new? Oct 28 03:28:26 Does anybody know if mame and dosbox ever got to working order, btw? Oct 28 03:33:56 how can you protect your phone from going oreo? Oct 28 03:34:23 I'm already feeling it swivel slightly to the side Oct 28 03:35:54 dosbox works. The problem is the limited number of keys... no fn keys etc... Oct 28 03:36:12 Mame I don't know about did you check the wiki page? Oct 28 03:46:11 I couldn't find any references to dosbox or MAME on webos-internals.org (aside from a MAME video in Press Room) Oct 28 03:50:34 huh Oct 28 03:50:41 lemme look around a bit Oct 28 03:51:25 ajay: I don't believe we got either into a working state Oct 28 03:52:05 rwhitby right. Dosbox RUNS but it's essentially useless, no keyboard. Oct 28 03:52:16 MAME I was never interested in. Oct 28 03:58:11 So, guess who just found out he has midterms that spill over onto the 18th Oct 28 03:58:25 Stupid computer programming concepts class Oct 28 03:58:32 devday is not until the 19th ;) Oct 28 03:58:35 "computer programming concepts"? Oct 28 03:58:36 do a redeye Oct 28 03:58:41 wtf is that? Oct 28 03:58:46 * halfhalo hates that class Oct 28 03:59:02 Well, it's called concepts of computer programming languages Oct 28 03:59:14 And it is a horrible horrible class full of evil Oct 28 03:59:30 you have not yet explained the contents of it :) Oct 28 04:00:33 Basically goes into the functionallity of compilers/Parsers, etc Oct 28 04:00:56 And stupid languages liken lisp and pascal Oct 28 04:00:57 oh Oct 28 04:01:16 I think we called that class Algorithms & Computaility here Oct 28 04:01:21 lisp is useful with Emacs ;) Oct 28 04:01:32 Blasphemy Oct 28 04:01:43 Oh, and scheme Oct 28 04:01:52 Which is horrible and full of evil Oct 28 04:01:52 rwhitby: reason #2452345234523 to not use emacs :) Oct 28 04:02:02 emacs is for people afraid of using vim ;) Oct 28 04:02:21 there was a time I really liked LISP. Then I grew up. Oct 28 04:02:30 The question is... Do I have midterms that monday.. If I do, I can't go, if I don't, I can Oct 28 04:02:39 Still, I reach for it when I need self-modifying code. Thank God that isn't often. Oct 28 04:02:45 rsanchez: I personally use both. VIM for sysadmin stuff, and Emacs for development. Oct 28 04:03:05 all my exams are already scheduled at the start of the semester Oct 28 04:03:20 rwhitby: yeah that's the impression I got since I couldn't find the downloads anywhere Oct 28 04:03:34 halfhalo: are you jus not sure if you have exams? Oct 28 04:03:40 Yup Oct 28 04:03:42 rsanchez: mine are given a specific time slot, it's up to the profs if we have them or not Oct 28 04:03:46 * ajay still never learned how to use emacs.. eh! ;^) Oct 28 04:03:58 ajay: me neither Oct 28 04:04:03 I know when My finals are, but not midterms Oct 28 04:04:20 * halfhalo is lazy and uses nano Oct 28 04:04:25 * rwhitby fought in the Great GNU/Lucid/XEmacs wars Oct 28 04:04:36 tell your profs to get off their lazy asses and schedule exams Oct 28 04:05:01 rwhitby: LOL OLD! :-P Oct 28 04:05:02 Look who it is! Oct 28 04:06:30 rwhitby is not old. Oct 28 04:06:34 Trust me on this.... Oct 28 04:06:48 rwhitby is ageless Oct 28 04:07:09 I don't actually think he is, I'm just trolling because I don't want to work on Senior Sem. Oct 28 04:07:20 I want pics of the entire internals group there! Oct 28 04:07:40 I think I made my first contribution to Emacs in 1990 Oct 28 04:07:55 I was 2 in 1990 Oct 28 04:08:03 wow I was an infant back then Oct 28 04:08:31 good times Oct 28 04:10:00 ugh... I'm at the point in my paper where I'm going to have to talk about DHT algorithms :( Oct 28 04:10:13 Ewww... Algorithms Oct 28 04:10:31 you've essentially summed up my feelings Oct 28 04:11:19 Do it all in binary Oct 28 04:13:36 Although you know what will happen to the next Devdays in November... Oct 28 04:15:25 * halfhalo will be 21 then Oct 28 04:16:40 err.. Hi Oct 28 04:16:47 hi Oct 28 04:16:49 rwhitby, I have never made a contribution to emacs, but I remember sitting in a group with Stallman around 1980 before he started the GNU emacs project when emacs was a huge weird pile of TECO macros.... Oct 28 04:17:10 Macros... Even worse than algorithms Oct 28 04:17:12 oh cool there are people here :) Oct 28 04:17:16 I ws unimpressed enough that I stayed away from it for the next 30 years.... Oct 28 04:17:42 there are almost always people here Oct 28 04:17:56 eh.. Is there a way to run ERU in preware? Oct 28 04:18:08 oh, cool. Oct 28 04:18:45 but yea, any clue? Oct 28 04:18:45 Now, the level of intelligence in this channel varies wildly Oct 28 04:18:53 emergency response unit? Eastern Rugby Union? Oct 28 04:19:06 I can assume so.. I'm a webos lover/noob. Oct 28 04:19:08 LOL Oct 28 04:19:12 * halfhalo votes for Easter response unit Oct 28 04:19:28 ERU = emergancy reconstruction utillity Oct 28 04:19:33 I was hoping grabbing a mac to develop on would reveal clearer instructions on how to do things.. no dice Oct 28 04:20:02 The elvish name for God in the Lord of the Rings? You want to run God on Preware? Oct 28 04:20:04 oineedhalp: you select the ERU package for installation, and it does it's job as part of the post-install script and then removes itself Oct 28 04:20:23 ohhhhhhh it's a package Oct 28 04:20:24 ajay: that's cause you're not running Emacs on a Mac like I am Oct 28 04:20:36 I thought it was under prefs or something.. Oct 28 04:20:40 Fine Fine, Help the guy. Oct 28 04:20:42 thanks rwhitby :) Oct 28 04:20:46 rwhitby: oh right Oct 28 04:21:04 ahaha, sorry rick, I'm done :p Oct 28 04:21:14 noob out! Oct 28 04:21:15 * halfhalo uses textmate for everathang Oct 28 04:21:27 rick-home: yeah, I had a falling out with Stallman when he refused to accept my clearcase-mode into GNU/Emacs. I got it into XEmacs instead, Zawinski was far more pragmatic. Oct 28 04:22:03 Is there a human being on the planet who encountered him in person who did not at some point have a falling out with Stallman? Oct 28 04:22:09 He had some crazy argument that an Emacs mode for a $25K per seat tool would distract people from running RCS and CVS. Oct 28 04:22:18 anyone is far more pragmatic than Stallman Oct 28 04:22:45 Even he had a fAlling out with himself Oct 28 04:23:08 rick-home: I haven't had the pleasure of an in-person meeting. Email was enough. Oct 28 04:28:46 rwhitby: any good instructions on how to do cli PDK dev on the Mac? Oct 28 04:28:49 Stallman is s Oct 28 04:28:52 _so_ cool Oct 28 04:29:19 ajay: I use the Palm SDK and the WebOS Internals WIDK in a VM running Ubuntu Oct 28 04:29:44 ajay, Stallman is _freaking nuts_ and recognize that I'm a Pro free-software evangelist. Oct 28 04:30:08 for plain-jane C services and mojo apps I just compile on the mac. for more complex stuff (kernels, etc) I compile on the Linux VM Oct 28 04:30:12 that's always been my sense too rick-home Oct 28 04:31:02 rwhitby: haha.. that sounds like more fun than this.. i've got an atom chip in this box Oct 28 04:31:05 tho Oct 28 04:31:24 rick-home: I heard him speak for the first time at WordCamp this year.. he's truly amazing Oct 28 04:32:56 ajay, he makes sense while you're actually listening to him. He's charismatic. But he's freaking nuts. You -can not- organize the world the way he wants it to be organized. Oct 28 04:32:58 hiya rick-home Oct 28 04:33:06 Hiya Tom Oct 28 04:33:26 think you might come out west here in February? Oct 28 04:33:39 I think that might be arranged.... Oct 28 04:34:01 rick-home: "Some might say, [he's] a dreamer.. I say [he's] not the only one.." Oct 28 04:34:25 s/Some/You Oct 28 04:34:28 Paul McCartney Oct 28 04:34:37 actually it was more butchered than that, haha Oct 28 04:34:40 ka6sox: the more I think about that the more I think it would be Fun Oct 28 04:34:51 I thought it was Lennon (#70 this year) Oct 28 04:34:51 halfhalo, okay I'll sign you up :D Oct 28 04:35:08 ajay, you are probably right Oct 28 04:35:10 what's in february? Oct 28 04:35:14 SCALE Oct 28 04:35:24 9X Oct 28 04:35:51 halfhalo, okay I"m signing you up :D Oct 28 04:36:21 ajay: oh hi :). Oct 28 04:36:23 rick-home: yeah maybe, but honestly there aren't many models being push Oct 28 04:36:31 ajay: was gonna respond earlier but you weren't on for a bit :( Oct 28 04:36:32 ajay, it's not that he's a dreamer. It's really really simple. He's the technological equivalent of a shaker. "'Tis a gift to be simple, 'tis a gift to be free." Oct 28 04:36:39 dtzWill: hey you :) Oct 28 04:36:56 dtzWill: yeah i pretty much bounced right after Oct 28 04:37:25 the problem with that is, like the shakers, Stallman is childless. His politics, and his economic philosophy ignore the needs of parents to provide for their children, which leads to selfish behaviour on the part of the parents. Oct 28 04:37:49 He's been asked about that, and when you do, he stammers. It's the only times I've ever seen him fail to have fluid words. Oct 28 04:37:56 dtzWill: I was reading the preenv thread, and glanced at the wiki, so I have a better idea of how it works.. but yeah, we'll still need X Oct 28 04:38:30 ka6sox I tell you what. Since we're starting to plan so early, I'll commit to SCALE. Oct 28 04:38:33 A shaker? oh like a quaker? took me a second (I was thinking mover & shaker) Oct 28 04:38:38 Dates please. Oct 28 04:39:02 isn't mover & shaker derived from the same group? Oct 28 04:39:27 dtzWill: what were you going to say earlier? Oct 28 04:39:42 summatusmentis no. Oct 28 04:40:05 rick-home: hm, unfortunately i'm not well-read enough to know, especially in that context Oct 28 04:40:14 oh, I completely didn't know the meaning of that phrase :) Oct 28 04:40:38 summatusmentis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaker Oct 28 04:40:45 ajay: I know what shakers are Oct 28 04:40:58 "mover & shaker" has always had a different meaning in my head though Oct 28 04:41:25 ah Oct 28 04:41:48 mover and shaker comes from a mid-1800's use of the term in the context of God, while the name "shaker" comes not from them, but from outsiders describing their frenetic dance during their worship services. Oct 28 04:41:59 ajay: oh just responding to you, you posted some thread or something? Oct 28 04:42:03 two completely different sources. Oct 28 04:42:22 ajay: sorry about not telling you my involvement in the X stuff :) Oct 28 04:42:31 ka6sox when is Scale? Oct 28 04:45:30 sigh I should fix the X stuff.... Oct 28 04:45:40 if nothing else I miss having an easily working X server on my device Oct 28 04:45:49 dtzWill: oh everything comes out in the end.. :) Oct 28 04:46:01 the binaries, etc, all still work, it's just it needs to be reorganized wrt the jails Oct 28 04:46:09 and so the 'xterm' package needs it's own x server (: Oct 28 04:46:10 *:( Oct 28 04:46:34 dtzWill: Can't you throw everything into the phone's common/system folders? Oct 28 04:46:53 else that dude's idea about a X library rather than server would be the way to go Oct 28 04:46:58 is that why running Enterminus reboots my phone? Oct 28 04:47:03 no it wouldn't be i guess.. Oct 28 04:47:07 is a chroot nec? Oct 28 04:47:19 ajay: no re:eterminus and no re:chroot. Oct 28 04:47:27 and semi-no re common folders Oct 28 04:47:45 ajay: apps run by normal means are constrained to a special jail that only contains the app and a limited set of libraries Oct 28 04:47:52 essentially just chroot'd into their own little jail Oct 28 04:48:06 dtzWill: I've noticed several apps put libraries all over the phone tho Oct 28 04:48:28 ajay: idk what to tell you. I suppose disabling the jail is a possibility too. Oct 28 04:48:35 tbh i have no idea how preware manages that :) Oct 28 04:48:42 i mean i just don't know the details. Oct 28 04:48:50 but there's no reason for the x server to need to be unjailed like preware Oct 28 04:49:09 it was just cleaner it seemed so we didn't start having duplicates of the same libraries bundled with each app Oct 28 04:49:22 at the time i had the idea of making a number of x apps besides xterm Oct 28 04:52:29 dtzWill: does it need to be disabled? I don't understand why you can't get the libs/apps into the jails? Oct 28 04:52:44 if disabling is possible though, guess i'm down (for now :) Oct 28 04:52:57 ajay: i don't like the disabling idea, just saying that would work. Oct 28 04:53:10 ajay: the problem is i had the 'good' idea of splitting it into DIFFERENT packages Oct 28 04:53:29 so that there was a shared-x-libs package and a /differen/t xterm package that needed access to the shared lib's contenst Oct 28 04:53:32 *contents to run Oct 28 04:53:57 since different packages--xterm's jail didn't contain the shared libs Oct 28 04:54:23 the idea was you could install xterm, xchat, and a generic x server launcher without having 3 copies of an x server, and all the corresponding x libraries Oct 28 04:54:37 anyway so it's really just a recompile and packaging away from working lol Oct 28 04:56:32 dtzWill: sounds good.. ;^) Oct 28 04:57:02 afaik it'll make it work in 2.0 too... assuming pdk apps have some kind of backwards compat Oct 28 04:57:30 (I know nothing about how that'll work on 2.0, i'm just saying it seems reasonable that after the pdk hot apps contest and whatnot they won't completely change the api and break all those apps lol) Oct 28 04:57:45 zcorder for example stuck a library in /usr/lib Oct 28 04:59:31 yeah I don't get the impression 2.0 changes much about the way apps work Oct 28 04:59:54 rick-home, its the 25-27th of February but the real talks are the 26-27th Oct 28 05:00:33 (and thats when the booth is too) Oct 28 05:00:45 dtzWill: is what zcorder did different than what you're talking about? Oct 28 05:00:56 I'm in for the 26-27th fosho, but dunno bout that Friday due to class Oct 28 05:01:00 ajay: I have no idea what it did. Oct 28 05:01:06 stuck libs in /usr/lib Oct 28 05:01:12 (or symlinks from there to /media/... Oct 28 05:01:49 i think there's more to it... Oct 28 05:01:55 i mean that sounds similar to what I want. Oct 28 05:02:06 but for now might just repackage into separate package Oct 28 05:02:07 lol Oct 28 05:02:07 :/ Oct 28 05:03:44 dtzWill: well the xterm might as well just be bundled with the xserver then (I guess?) Oct 28 05:04:00 does anyone know why running enterminus on 1.4.5 reboots my phone? Oct 28 05:04:47 I'm at the other end of my house from my wifi, and it works like shit.. must be something blocking.. sshing into the phone right next to me is slow.. Oct 28 05:04:59 oh I forgot I installed the SDK finally! Oct 28 05:05:05 ajay: novaterm ftw :) Oct 28 05:06:08 hm, it'd be neat if the pre could use my computer's internet connection too.. (reverse-hotspot?) Oct 28 05:07:57 zcord: Yeah the jail includes everything from /usr/lib. I'd bet it does the same for /usr/bin too Oct 28 05:08:28 I don't consider that breaking the jail Oct 28 05:09:15 err, s/zcord/dtz :) Oct 28 05:09:19 haha :). Oct 28 05:09:39 i'd imagine installing to there is bad, preventing app cat submissions etc. Oct 28 05:09:56 dtzWill: oh, were you expecting app cat submissions for xterm, xchat? Oct 28 05:09:57 not that I really was planning on doing that with X, but seems like a bad idea to destory those kinds of options Oct 28 05:10:15 not really. but if someone wanted, idk an x server in the app cat wouldn't be so bad :) Oct 28 05:10:46 dtzWill: It's a good goal, but that seems like a policy issue more than a technical issue Oct 28 05:10:57 ajay: probably :). Oct 28 05:12:18 dtzWill: I bet you could even store the x-server in /media/internal if you wanted too! sloppy I know.. Oct 28 05:12:55 but I could imagine.. xterm in the appcat, "to run this, simply extract http://webOSI/xserver.tgz to /media/internal/software" and it will work :) Oct 28 05:13:03 lolol Oct 28 05:13:14 yeah not so much. but there's no reason you couldn't make it app-cat-happy if you wanted. Oct 28 05:13:32 it's not a bad goal to shoot for where possible, it enables a larger audience, shrug. Oct 28 05:13:56 there's a way i'm sure.. maybe there's a reason there's not more WebOSInternals stuff in the appcta tho (since nobody else seems to be chiming in I mean :) Oct 28 05:14:10 dtzWill: cool i'm excited! Oct 28 05:14:17 ajay: all the stuff we do usually needs root outside a jail Oct 28 05:14:24 e.g. preware, save/restore, govnah, etc Oct 28 05:14:39 no way to get that into appcat in any form Oct 28 05:15:27 and the one app that we have written for appcat (hybrid wIRC) has found so many bugs in 1.4.5 that they can't accept hybrid submissions Oct 28 05:16:33 lol Oct 28 05:16:47 * halfhalo blames oil for realize once Oct 28 05:17:16 actually, the plugin is PuffTheMagics business :) Oct 28 05:17:28 Yuhhuh, suuure Oct 28 05:17:32 though, not like it could get into the catalog as a service hybrid Oct 28 05:17:35 rwhitby: ya'll have quite the list that doesn't need root Oct 28 05:18:16 what stuff would work outside the jail? Oct 28 05:18:19 (as far as I can tell) Oct 28 05:19:18 idk, just seems like ya'll got quite a list cc -O2 -W -Wall -fno-common -ffloat-store -fvisibility=hidden -Wcast-align -Wre Oct 28 05:19:22 oops ignore that :) Oct 28 05:19:25 webOS_Applications_All Oct 28 05:19:49 I don't know what is or isn't in the appcat tho Oct 28 05:19:59 not everything in preware is developed by webosinternals Oct 28 05:21:05 and I guess zcorder can get in there as soon as the recording api is opened up huh.. Oct 28 05:21:34 * oil hasn't seen zsoc around in a while Oct 28 05:21:34 Mmmmm... Fruit loops... Oct 28 05:21:37 oil: yeah actually I don't know where to find a list of just ya'lls apps, I assumed I'd find it on the wiki, but now I'm confused :) Oct 28 05:21:42 lol Oct 28 05:22:14 Methinks zsoc ran away Oct 28 05:22:24 isn't... isn't zsoc a maemo person? Oct 28 05:22:24 dtzWill: so should be a quick recompile to stick stuff into /usr/bin/X11 or whatnot, and then all should be happy? Oct 28 05:22:29 or am I thinking of someone else? Oct 28 05:22:32 idk if there is a list Oct 28 05:22:39 id link to git, but i have no clue about most of it Oct 28 05:24:04 huh novaterm is suddenly unable to connect, weird. Oct 28 05:24:11 eh it's past lunch/dinner time anyways.. ;^) Oct 28 05:26:45 if lumberjack was a plugin instead of a service it might be catalogable Oct 28 05:26:56 but, i have no desire to deal with end-users for it, lol Oct 28 05:27:57 Ewww, users Oct 28 05:29:08 dtzWill: guess i'll hear from ya later, feel free to email too.. Oct 28 05:29:12 catch ya'll later! Oct 28 05:37:16 oil: plugins can't see /var/log/messages or capture dbus Oct 28 05:37:25 ah, well that answers that Oct 28 05:37:26 so lumberjack can't get into the catalog Oct 28 05:37:39 nor can terminal Oct 28 05:37:55 nor can the X stuff (unless you replicate libraries and server in each of the applications) Oct 28 05:38:02 nor can the Qt stuff (for the same reason) Oct 28 05:38:07 :(:( Oct 28 05:38:18 nor can Dr Battery, Flashlights, etc, etc. Oct 28 05:38:22 we need to convince them to create special jail profiles Oct 28 05:38:29 with x, qt, etc things enabled :D Oct 28 05:39:07 dtzWill: app-specific jails is a topic I wish to discuss with Ben & Co at devday Oct 28 05:39:08 Good idea and worth discussing perhaps in NYC Oct 28 05:40:04 prety sure it was rwhitby's idea originally i'm just bugging him about it again :D Oct 28 05:40:36 so we're getting together for pre-devday dinner on the 18th? Oct 28 05:41:18 rwhitby do you mean app-specific jails or library-specific jails? or something, I mean, if we had an "X" server, ... nevermind I don't know how to ask what I'm thinking, I think I'm sleepy Oct 28 05:41:20 * halfhalo can't make it the 18th Oct 28 05:41:52 oil, it would be REAL late... but we can. You pick a time and a place and we'll see what we can do. Oct 28 05:42:23 there is also the fact that app catalog apps can't do dependencies Oct 28 05:42:31 I doubt if I can show up anywhere much befor 9 pm. Oct 28 05:42:44 you need that before an app-specific jail that refers to something another app installs is of any use Oct 28 05:42:54 right rwhitby that's a problem if you have an "X" app. Oct 28 05:43:09 rick-home: well, 8-10 in nyc is a lot earlier for me Oct 28 05:43:21 and its like, lunch for rwhitby, haha Oct 28 05:43:24 yep Oct 28 05:43:32 West coast ftw Oct 28 05:43:38 a lunch that is 27 hours after breakfast Oct 28 05:43:47 im sure you'll get a meal on the flight, haha Oct 28 05:44:00 or layover time to grab airport food Oct 28 05:44:05 kk oil, pick out a time and place... Oct 28 05:44:12 getting enough food on long flights is not a problem Oct 28 05:44:17 * oil has no clue about the area or where to eat Oct 28 05:44:22 getting *quality* food on cattle class is :) Oct 28 05:44:28 ouch rwhitby 27 hour transition.... ouch. Oct 28 05:44:39 although I am flying Qantas, so that won't be too bad Oct 28 05:44:42 oil, what hotel are you staying at? Oct 28 05:44:44 you get there 3 hours before you left? haha Oct 28 05:45:01 oil: I get into LAX an hour before I leave Adelaide, yes. Oct 28 05:45:01 im like 5 blocks south of rwhitby Oct 28 05:45:16 * oil looks Oct 28 05:45:26 Hampton Inn Soho Oct 28 05:45:26 look for good Japanese Oct 28 05:45:40 * rwhitby always likes good Japanese after a long flight. Oct 28 05:45:41 dude... NYC, there'll be good japanese Oct 28 05:46:08 summatusmentis: I fly to Tokyo regularly. Your definition of good and mine might vary ;) Oct 28 05:46:20 Next time younguys are in la we are going tothis awesome Korean place near the staples center Oct 28 05:46:51 hah, touche rwhitby. I live in the midwest, we don't even have an ocean nearby Oct 28 05:46:51 summatusmentis: e.g. good Japanese does not involve throwing food across the room Oct 28 05:47:10 haha Oct 28 05:47:26 and if the fish has been out of the water for more than 8 hours, it's not good sushi Oct 28 05:47:59 my parents live in ME, I thought I was snobby about seafood compared to the rest of these midwesterners Oct 28 05:48:02 maybe 16 if they are careful with temperatures Oct 28 05:48:03 you've got me beat rwhitby :) Oct 28 05:48:21 Meh, not a big seafood person Oct 28 05:48:38 halfhalo: me neither really, outside of sushi Oct 28 05:48:47 Much prefer a good steak or good Mexican food Oct 28 05:49:05 I usually don't eat fish that has been cooked. Oct 28 05:49:14 Don't like sushi Oct 28 05:49:36 halfhalo: ah, see, I don't eat meat Oct 28 05:49:45 Sh Oct 28 05:49:51 Ah* Oct 28 05:50:00 Your one of *them* Oct 28 05:50:28 yes, I choose not to support an industry that does terrible things to both animals and the environment :) Oct 28 05:50:39 http://www.menutopia.com/GetMenu.m?vendorId=3706 Oct 28 05:52:09 summatusmentis deleted long reply about that. But then, I'm from Kansas. Oct 28 05:52:24 Speaking of Mexican, I am totally getting a crappy burrito for breakfast Oct 28 05:52:32 * oil prefers his fish cooked :) Oct 28 05:52:54 * halfhalo prefers a large top sirloin cooked rare Oct 28 05:52:58 rick-home: I was mostly kidding, I try not to be pushy about my vegetarianism Oct 28 05:53:28 http://www.judysbook.com/cities/newyork/Restaurants/1541481/p1/t2/Omen_Restrnt.htm Oct 28 05:55:17 * halfhalo has a sudden craving for pacos tacos Oct 28 05:55:20 lol, that menutopia website wants to stop you from copy/paste Oct 28 05:55:34 You ever been there ka6sox? Oct 28 05:55:48 halfhalo, nope...only Tommy's Oct 28 05:56:06 For shame.... Oct 28 05:56:44 It's decent Mexican, cheap, but only really in la proper Oct 28 05:57:16 I think theres one at westchester and sepulveda, you should go Oct 28 05:57:46 hmmmmm Oct 28 05:57:59 ok, that's it, I'm going to have keyboard face if I sit here any longer. night all Oct 28 05:58:11 Night Oct 28 05:58:30 See, this is why I'm not using a kb right now, just the iPad Oct 28 05:59:07 ka6sox: The original tommies? Oct 28 05:59:29 rick-home: 'night :) Oct 28 05:59:29 later rick Oct 28 06:02:35 halfhalo: so thats why your typing has been off :) Oct 28 06:03:42 Yup Oct 28 06:04:00 and capitalized, haha Oct 28 06:04:23 On iPad words are misspelled, but on epic the words are just completely different Oct 28 06:04:29 Yay swype! Oct 28 06:04:53 the dictionary capitalizes the P in iPad? Oct 28 06:04:59 lol Oct 28 06:05:30 of course it does Oct 28 06:05:48 Yup Oct 28 06:05:59 Silly apple,thinking their important Oct 28 06:06:32 android capitalizes Google, Android, Facebook, etc. Oct 28 06:06:50 webos should change to webOS Oct 28 06:06:59 or webaws Oct 28 06:07:07 and pre with the little thing over the e Oct 28 06:07:39 in 2.0 im adding webos->webaws to textassist Oct 28 06:07:52 Lol Oct 28 06:08:48 oil: note that I *think* I only say webaws when I say webos-internals and not when I say webOS. Oct 28 06:09:00 haha Oct 28 06:16:22 Tman_mac, you about? Oct 28 07:03:04 ka6sox: now Oct 28 07:39:26 <[AD]Turbo> yo all Oct 28 12:05:49 :) Oct 28 12:39:37 afternoon Oct 28 15:22:33 Man I have not been of IRC for ever. how is everyone? Oct 28 15:49:17 hi, my pre+ suddenly won't keep my 'new pages' (screens I add), once I luna or full reboot, i t goes back to the stock 3 pages, I've uninstalled themes, patches, & the common Tabs that I used to switch between them. Anybody have a suggestion? what happened? :) thanks in advance. Oct 28 15:51:47 solix: you have damaged app launcher database due to hard reset etc. Oct 28 15:52:03 it should get fixed if you delete the db file in: /var/palm/data/file_.usr.lib.luna.system.luna-ap Oct 28 15:52:04 morning chuqui Oct 28 15:52:21 I mean: /var/palm/data/file_.usr.lib.luna.system.luna-applauncher_0 Oct 28 15:52:25 guten tag! Oct 28 15:53:49 möchten sie ein bier? Oct 28 16:12:19 Nicht vor dem Mittagessen Oct 28 16:12:26 (god, my german is beyond rusty) Oct 28 16:12:45 psh, german Oct 28 16:15:19 Ñ‚Ñ‹ много говошь Oct 28 16:59:52 anyone here get a pre plus working on sprint? Oct 28 16:59:57 i really dont wanna do a comms board swap Oct 28 17:00:09 and read some ppl got it dr'd up and got sprint to manually input the MEID Oct 28 17:28:39 Hi, I have openssh installed via Preware. What are the next steps? Oct 28 17:29:13 Do I only need to copy my ssh key to /home/root/.ssh ? Oct 28 19:59:18 Hello guys Oct 28 19:59:26 i need help Oct 28 20:01:40 I need help. I did a reset on my palm p100ueu and now it is only in setting up language. Can anyone help me? Oct 28 20:01:51 I need help. I did a reset on my palm p100ueu and now it is only in setting up language. Can anyone help me? Oct 28 20:01:53 sorry Oct 28 20:02:42 hi Oct 28 20:03:18 how did you reset it? Oct 28 20:05:02 Sounds like you did a full reset? Oct 28 20:07:26 YES Oct 28 20:07:39 i make full reset Oct 28 20:07:56 but this phone is freeze Oct 28 20:07:58 :(((( Oct 28 20:08:53 chrisa Oct 28 20:08:55 swisstomcat Oct 28 20:09:58 frozen? Oct 28 20:10:02 you can't select a language? Oct 28 20:10:52 I select the language. But stand still for long in setting up language Oct 28 20:11:07 hmm Oct 28 20:11:37 can you help me? Oct 28 20:11:37 it never finished and freezes? Oct 28 20:12:00 how did you do the reset? Oct 28 20:12:18 never ends, you have more than one hour. Oct 28 20:12:31 that doesn't sound right Oct 28 20:12:59 what did you do/how did you reset the device? Oct 28 20:13:13 I went to the settings. After RESET, after full erase. Something like Oct 28 20:13:38 right Oct 28 20:13:52 you might want to run webos-doctor and see if that helps Oct 28 20:14:31 Where can I find? Oct 28 20:14:33 what device and carrier do you have? Oct 28 20:14:39 o2 Oct 28 20:15:07 pre, pre+ or pixi? Oct 28 20:15:22 I don´t know Oct 28 20:15:24 :( Oct 28 20:15:45 how do you don't know? Oct 28 20:16:18 Where I see it? Oct 28 20:16:22 slider? Oct 28 20:16:35 Slider Oct 28 20:16:45 circular button below the screen? Oct 28 20:16:50 does it have a silver button on the lower part of the device? Oct 28 20:16:52 yeah Oct 28 20:17:18 or is it flat below the screen Oct 28 20:17:42 http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2010/4/Palm-Pre-unlock.jpg Oct 28 20:17:48 this one Oct 28 20:17:51 thats a pre- Oct 28 20:18:13 have one button Oct 28 20:18:25 yeah .. normal pre Oct 28 20:18:56 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p145r0d06302010/eudep145rod/webosdoctorp100ueu-wr.jar Oct 28 20:18:58 download that file Oct 28 20:19:15 that's the webos-doctor for a o2 pre Oct 28 20:19:25 with that you can reset your device to factory defaults Oct 28 20:20:35 I'll run as an application jar file in windows xp? Oct 28 20:20:49 yeah, you need to have java installed Oct 28 20:21:25 i have java Oct 28 20:21:30 but Oct 28 20:21:37 how open the doctor ? Oct 28 20:22:24 not sure on windows xp .. double click? Oct 28 20:22:47 otherwise on the command-line Oct 28 20:23:01 java -jar .jar Oct 28 20:23:15 ok Oct 28 20:23:24 drivers inside ? Oct 28 20:23:29 for usb ? Oct 28 20:26:06 i don't it need that Oct 28 20:26:10 don't think Oct 28 20:26:44 ok Oct 28 20:26:47 thanks man Oct 28 20:26:50 soo much Oct 28 20:26:56 i´m try Oct 28 20:36:35 good night everyone Oct 28 20:36:40 Night Oct 28 20:43:06 this program not ready Oct 28 20:43:08 :/ Oct 28 20:43:25 Connect your phone directly to your computer with your USB cable. Oct 28 20:43:25 Do not remove the battery or disconnect your phone during this process. Oct 28 20:50:25 hi, somebody here how allready worked with pdk plugins? Oct 28 20:54:42 dtzWill: still using sdl for X? Oct 28 21:06:28 tmzt: you mean X11? Oct 28 21:06:35 yes Oct 28 21:06:40 man I wanna try that Oct 28 21:06:52 maybe this weekend I'll have time to sit down and try it Oct 28 21:06:57 open office on Pre!!! Oct 28 21:09:46 I'm building an X server for android so I wondered if they were still using sdl on pre Oct 28 21:09:50 Xsdl Oct 28 21:09:55 which can't even be built anymore Oct 28 21:16:08 maybe this thread can provide more information: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/240926-x-server-pre.html Oct 28 22:20:53 tmzt_: yes, Xsdl-based Oct 28 22:21:07 tmzt_: small upgrade to 'use' GLESv2, but that's mostly b/c that just makes for faster blitting for w/e reason. Oct 28 22:21:22 no intelligent use of GL to accel any rendering operations, etc Oct 28 22:21:32 definitely no GL context exposed to the x clients :) Oct 28 22:22:18 tmzt_: the server in preware doesn't run due to jailing, but either turn jailing off (something like echo 1 > /etc/nojail, although i'd check a wiki first) or just run it manually from the command line Oct 28 22:43:28 dtzWill: echo "pardon" > /etc/nojail Oct 28 22:52:24 rwhitby: ah, ty. Oct 28 22:52:29 also, lol @ pardon :). Oct 28 22:57:13 yeah palm has a good sense of humor it seems between that and the konami code Oct 28 23:03:31 there's plenty more of that when you look inside. bootie, trenchcoat, etc ... Oct 28 23:21:50 dtzWill: you have source for that? Oct 28 23:22:03 the GL stuff, I'm triying to add it to androix Oct 28 23:22:26 tmzt_: git.webos-internals.org Oct 28 23:22:58 either in the x11/* tree, or in preware/cross-compile.git Oct 28 23:23:21 if I get anywhere with glesx proxy I'll have code we can share, as well as getting off of sdl if that's better (the pre sdl was little crazy if I remember) Oct 28 23:23:31 it's still after to do a game then a plugin right? Oct 28 23:23:34 faster Oct 28 23:27:44 that doesn't look like absolute, how are you doing relative on a touchscreen? Oct 28 23:27:51 for the mouse I mean Oct 28 23:35:41 tmzt_: what? I'm using SDL_MOUSEMOTION. I don't understand your question : Oct 28 23:35:44 *:( Oct 28 23:36:37 still using sdl for input, keyboard, etc Oct 28 23:41:26 * scoutcamper wants the lock screen from droid :D in an app? the draw patteren Oct 29 00:04:44 i need help downloading preware Oct 29 00:05:03 cant seem to find it in webos quick install Oct 29 00:06:02 when you click the little blue down arrow button Oct 29 00:06:13 you need to change the dropdown at the top to the webosinternals feed Oct 29 00:06:20 for pre or pixi depending on what you have Oct 29 00:06:23 its listed in there Oct 29 00:06:24 got it thanks Oct 29 00:06:28 np Oct 29 00:10:10 hello Oct 29 00:10:39 can anyone here help with connecting to an IRC chat on a Palm Pixie Oct 29 00:11:43 you can use the old version of wirc Oct 29 00:12:19 where might i be able to find that? Oct 29 00:12:39 i'm looking for info for a friend. her computer died so she has to be able to get it from within webOS Oct 29 00:12:55 does she have preware? Oct 29 00:13:06 um, let me check. Oct 29 00:17:48 doesn't look like it Oct 29 00:18:18 hm Oct 29 00:18:25 not many options then Oct 29 00:18:26 can she get it from within webOS? Oct 29 00:18:39 or does the phone have to be rooted first? Oct 29 00:18:42 i dont know if "pound irc" or whatever it was called is in the catalog or not Oct 29 00:18:51 you need access to a pc to install preware Oct 29 00:18:55 you can't do it without it Oct 29 00:19:35 she just said she has the app catalog but theres no wIRC or IRC in it. Oct 29 00:20:24 get an irrsi deb Oct 29 00:20:33 if you can install terminal Oct 29 00:20:37 lol Oct 29 00:20:44 or thats probaly avail as a ipk Oct 29 00:20:51 right, but how is she to install it? Oct 29 00:20:59 hmm Oct 29 00:21:05 the code doesnt work Oct 29 00:21:06 she can get on freenode with webchat in the browser Oct 29 00:21:16 idk what other servers have it Oct 29 00:21:45 can you specify what server you connect to with webchat? Oct 29 00:22:06 whatever ircserver its setup for on the webserver Oct 29 00:22:23 http://webchat.freenode.net/ for example Oct 29 00:22:33 depends if other servers have it setup or not Oct 29 00:22:37 ah Oct 29 00:23:04 the code doesnt work anymore? Oct 29 00:23:39 does that use java? Oct 29 00:23:55 Kingkoopa: if your friend is interested in installing wIRC, the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the app catalog has fully instructions on how to do so. Oct 29 00:24:08 mibbit is supposed to work well, haven't tried it in the webos browser though Oct 29 00:24:08 " her computer died so she has to be able to get it from within webOS" Oct 29 00:24:18 ah. Oct 29 00:24:19 rwhitby: she can't install preware Oct 29 00:24:41 A friend's computer ... Oct 29 00:24:57 right, she needs access to a pc Oct 29 00:27:15 how did it work before you still needed usb access? Oct 29 00:30:34 very very early, there was the email install hole Oct 29 00:30:36 but palm fixed it Oct 29 00:30:47 boo Oct 29 00:31:05 now you have to have it in devmode and hooked to a pc Oct 29 00:31:24 but you only have to do that once to get preware Oct 29 00:31:29 then you can do whatever from your phone Oct 29 00:31:33 Kingkoopa: you don't want an uncontrolled email hole where viruses and trojans can get into your device and send your banking details to a russian botnet Oct 29 00:31:44 ah, true. Oct 29 00:31:47 yay Oct 29 00:31:58 So now we have a controlled hole, called Preware. Oct 29 00:32:04 lol Oct 29 01:32:03 no dice Oct 29 01:32:08 thx for the attempt Oct 29 01:32:10 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 29 02:59:57 2010