**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 29 02:59:57 2010 Oct 29 04:00:41 i need help with homebrew Oct 29 04:16:35 rwhitby: I have been running UberKernel for dsome time now with good results and saw that F105 recently updated with 200mhx memory overclock. So i decided to give it a try,,,,Everything works great except that F105 says that its running @ 900Mgx core freq as opposed to the 1Gh i set it to...Any thoughts? Oct 29 04:23:25 o Oct 29 04:23:29 noone has any ideas on my previous post? Oct 29 04:24:07 the pre need a port of googles os Oct 29 04:24:20 why... Oct 29 04:26:34 navinag: redo your profile. F105 is 1005MHz Oct 29 04:26:48 if you try and set 1000, it will drop down to the next lowest Oct 29 04:26:59 turn off manual settings, and use the drop-down freq menu Oct 29 04:27:03 ahhh Oct 29 04:27:03 ok Oct 29 04:27:27 we really need to remove that manual settings option. no-one uses it for the right reasons Oct 29 04:29:41 when will verion get web os 2.0 Oct 29 04:30:10 "in the coming months" Oct 29 04:30:33 o i want it now lol Oct 29 04:30:49 I want a pony Oct 29 04:31:05 20 bucks and I can make it happen Oct 29 04:31:15 halfhalo: including shipping to .au ? Oct 29 04:31:26 i with there was roms for the pre Oct 29 04:31:33 wish Oct 29 04:31:40 depends if you want it alive or not Oct 29 04:31:48 theipodone: why, so you could illegally download them? Oct 29 04:32:20 nope just more open Oct 29 04:32:38 how are roms more open? Oct 29 04:33:32 on the DROID you can get the os that suits u Oct 29 04:34:14 on webOS you can install the OS that suits you incrementally without needing to delete your data or reflash the whole device Oct 29 04:34:42 how Oct 29 04:34:46 rwhitby: I was not using manual settings. I had the UberKernel installed before and the setting were 125/1000 and the new F105 seemed to deault down to 900 like you said ... I redidt the profile and it lookg good now,, thanks Oct 29 04:34:49 patches! Oct 29 04:34:58 patches, themes, kernels. Oct 29 04:35:12 can u hak 1.4.5 Oct 29 04:35:20 yes Oct 29 04:35:23 I am. Oct 29 04:35:25 :D Oct 29 04:35:26 you don't need to 'hak' anything Oct 29 04:35:47 how do u put the verizon pre in dev mode Oct 29 04:35:55 same as any other pre Oct 29 04:36:06 what search terms have you used so far on google? Oct 29 04:36:18 pre dev mode Oct 29 04:36:54 hmm - first result for those terms works for me, as do the second, third and fourth. Oct 29 04:37:50 i dont have the up and down keys on my phone Oct 29 04:37:54 rwhitby: is the the new F015 @ 200mhz memory regardless of core freq and chargin state? Oct 29 04:38:17 navinag: I'm not sure it's 200MHz memory. I thought it was 200MHz DSP. Oct 29 04:38:47 theipodone: you need a new phone then. perhaps an iPhone would be good. Oct 29 04:39:20 nope i have a brand new ipod touch Oct 29 04:40:37 dont feed the trolls Oct 29 04:40:56 * halfhalo hands oil some popcorn for the show Oct 29 04:41:03 rwhitby: my mistake....DSP....is that still runnign @ 200Mhz regardless of core freq and charging state? Oct 29 04:41:28 theipodone: you should install a new rom on it then Oct 29 04:42:00 navinag: no, it may well be the RAM speed. Marco has added some new code to the overclocking patch in an area that we haven't touched before. Oct 29 04:42:19 rom on ipod or pre Oct 29 04:42:44 droid Oct 29 04:43:33 Modding mah pre is much easier than modding my epic Oct 29 04:43:36 rwhitby: well.. do you know if its overclocked to 200 at any core freq and charging state? Oct 29 04:43:49 navinag: yes, the 200 is unconditional on F105 Oct 29 04:44:37 rwhiby: ok,,, thanks., I know now what to expect under these condidtiona nd helps with debug in casie i see some weird stuff Oct 29 04:45:40 rwhitby: 200mhz ram seem to have a a greater effect on "less lag" vs 1ghz core freq Oct 29 04:46:22 The default was 133mhz? Very noticable improvement... Oct 29 04:46:31 default was 166 Oct 29 04:47:02 rwhitby: really.. then why such a drastic improvement for me? Oct 29 04:47:30 navinag: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa37ba8cb688a342f6f1bb1a6771de0a3d2416e3;hp=8492cb271ce3716e5decd61709e1e3c7344c4a41 Oct 29 04:49:03 rwhitby: is your friendnly way of saying look at the code anf figure it out? :) Oct 29 04:49:19 rwhiby: i will give it a look Oct 29 04:49:32 no, that's all the info I have. I haven't spoken with Marco about this new feature. Oct 29 04:51:01 rwhitby: what ever its worth....its very zippy even at 500mhz core freq Oct 29 04:51:13 you folks trying to overclock the memory architecture ? Oct 29 04:52:58 rwhitby: interesting to see what this would mean for battery life... I was lasting at leat 12 hrs with 125/100 uberKernel..... Oct 29 04:53:17 bhuey: I don't know. Marco said as much in a post, but I haven't spoken to him directly. The patch seems to indicate a change in freq from 166 to 200 related to VDD2 Oct 29 04:53:30 (I'm not sure exactly what that affects) Oct 29 04:53:31 thanks for the info guys.....gotta get some sleep Oct 29 04:54:47 now all we need is WEBOS 2.0 and I have a Pre 2,,,,,,sort of.... Oct 29 04:55:21 3630 also bumps the cortex-a8 rev to r2p0 Oct 29 04:55:32 which is actually a pretty substantial improvement since the L2 is redesigned Oct 29 04:56:56 rwhitby: it would make sense because of the bitmap manipulation Oct 29 04:57:19 geist: it's double L2 isn't it? Oct 29 04:57:28 double L1 Oct 29 04:57:31 ah, L1 Oct 29 04:58:27 ARM isn't a proper SMP architecture so it wouldn't surprise me that this is the case Oct 29 04:59:16 Double the L1 would mean a miss less often and possible a longer lookup time .....but probably offset due to the increased core freq? or are there more pipes? I will go look at the specs Oct 29 05:01:36 if you're doing stuff that's basically memcpy, it would help a lot Oct 29 05:03:30 cortex-a9 is a smp arch Oct 29 05:03:35 as is -a15 Oct 29 05:04:13 with an associative cache? Oct 29 05:04:32 or just 2 separate mem spaces? Oct 29 05:05:31 fully coherent Oct 29 05:05:35 * halfhalo knows just enough about caches to follow along, but just barely Oct 29 05:05:43 -a9 is pretty much the real deal Oct 29 05:05:58 oh gosh, why are we talking about processor internals Oct 29 05:06:02 good...then getting a Panda makes sense. Oct 29 05:07:35 geist: I probably have out of date information then Oct 29 05:11:31 cant get preware on my phone Oct 29 05:12:09 kyle12: are you following the steps in the Preware Homebrew Documentation app from the app catalog? Oct 29 05:12:20 :/ Oct 29 05:12:41 kyle12: or from install.preware.org Oct 29 05:12:53 kyle12: or are you following some other non-official instructions? Oct 29 05:13:16 yea i clicked install, it tries to connect but it says not connected Oct 29 05:14:01 what is "it" in your response? Oct 29 05:14:23 (and you might want to give a bit more context and background information up front) Oct 29 05:14:27 webos quick install Oct 29 06:17:43 bhuey: yes, the latest F105 patches overclock the SDRAM from 166MHz up to 200MHz Oct 29 07:15:39 good morning Oct 29 07:16:05 did anyone notice that their pre's clock is running too fast? Oct 29 07:17:22 I run uberkernel 1.4.5-124 with screenstate 500/800 and a bit of undervolting Oct 29 07:26:36 noradtux: does it happen on any other earlier uberkernel versions? Oct 29 07:26:50 and does it happen with defaul volting? Oct 29 07:38:39 I first noticed two uberkernel releases earlier (I think) Oct 29 07:38:49 didn't ry with default voltages, though .. Oct 29 07:38:58 s/ry/try/ Oct 29 07:39:00 noradtux meant: didn't try with default voltages, though .. Oct 29 07:40:24 <[AD]Turbo> hi there Oct 29 07:41:44 rwhitby: I will try with 500/800 and default voltages and report back later Oct 29 08:27:46 geist: I probably have out of date information then Oct 29 08:27:49 bah Oct 29 08:27:51 sorry Oct 29 08:27:59 random keys repeating that line Oct 29 08:28:28 rwhitby: when is it going to be in the regular overclock kernels ? Oct 29 08:29:29 * bhuey is about to doctor his original pre Oct 29 10:10:50 bhuey: need to make it configurable to go into UberKernel Oct 29 10:15:30 So Rock Band on the Pre is pretty good. Oct 29 10:21:00 rwhitby: can't wait Oct 29 10:22:46 well, we don't have any real results on it yet ... Oct 29 10:39:15 well, anything is potentially useful if you're not expecting pre 2 hardware to hit your carrier soon Oct 29 21:06:27 hey guys Oct 29 21:06:34 hey Oct 29 21:06:41 do you know of anything that would suddenly cause the keyboard to stop working on the Pre? Oct 29 21:07:25 nope, never had one stop working before Oct 29 21:07:38 hidd died Oct 29 21:07:53 how can I revive hidd? Oct 29 21:07:59 reboot is the easiest way Oct 29 21:08:05 otherwise upstart I thin Oct 29 21:08:08 I tried that, didn't work Oct 29 21:08:12 upstart? Oct 29 21:08:21 the init program Oct 29 21:08:38 if you have shell and root try hidd Oct 29 21:08:42 if that fixes it Oct 29 21:08:48 alright Oct 29 21:08:51 but if it fails after reboot I don't know Oct 29 21:09:05 can try a few things, hard to belive it's hardware Oct 29 21:10:02 you meant doing something like novaterm -t open tty:// Oct 29 21:10:07 then just typing hidd Oct 29 21:10:12 yeah Oct 29 21:10:18 didn't seem to have done anything Oct 29 21:10:34 try cat /dev/input/event* and type Oct 29 21:12:25 that's not responding Oct 29 21:12:39 dmesg and pastebin it Oct 29 21:12:47 full dmesg Oct 29 21:13:00 was it working before this? did you do anything? Oct 29 21:13:13 drop it in the toilet? Oct 29 21:13:38 i was just using it like normal Oct 29 21:13:42 then it stopped working Oct 29 21:13:44 your a towel Oct 29 21:13:48 just out of the blue Oct 29 21:13:49 lol Oct 29 21:13:50 http://webos.pastebin.com/zF8CN1Vs Oct 29 21:14:52 anychance that keyboard is usb? Oct 29 21:16:39 maybe? I really don't know Oct 29 21:16:43 that's the internal host Oct 29 21:16:53 radio is on there it could the probably but I'm not sure Oct 29 21:16:56 anything else not work? Oct 29 21:17:03 not that I'm aware of Oct 29 21:17:05 can you paste a lsusb and tell me if it hangs Oct 29 21:17:26 lsusb? Oct 29 21:17:35 yes Oct 29 21:17:50 or cat /proc/bus/usb/devices if it's not on there Oct 29 21:18:50 sorry I'm not really an expert on the pre's internals Oct 29 21:19:04 and I don't know what you mean by lsusb Oct 29 21:19:09 type lsusb Oct 29 21:19:14 these are all command line commands Oct 29 21:19:16 xD Oct 29 21:19:35 oh nvm I thought it said command not found, but it says /bin/sh: lsusb: not found Oct 29 21:19:41 I feel like it's july 09 again Oct 29 21:19:47 oh Oct 29 21:19:51 then Oct 29 21:19:56 cat /proc/bus/usb/devices Oct 29 21:20:30 gah irc won't let me type Oct 29 21:20:48 cat /proc/bus/usb/devices, usb is not a directory Oct 29 21:20:52 there it goes Oct 29 21:20:52 * oilsworkn remembers when he first joined #webos-internals channel, he got 0 help Oct 29 21:21:18 oilsworkn: really? Oct 29 21:21:20 when was that Oct 29 21:21:34 there's proc/bus/input Oct 29 21:21:39 a long time agop Oct 29 21:21:46 oh that has a devices file Oct 29 21:22:13 did you have different nick? Oct 29 21:22:21 oilz? Oct 29 21:22:32 http://webos.pastebin.com/71taPa3P Oct 29 21:22:32 nope Oct 29 21:22:36 thanks a lot for the help by the way Oct 29 21:22:40 * oilsworkn has gone by "oil" on the internet for like 14 or so years Oct 29 21:23:00 yeah I'm an idiot Oct 29 21:25:16 march? Oct 29 21:25:21 I don't see anything before that Oct 29 21:25:41 I'm gonna download the virtual keyboard in the meantime Oct 29 21:29:09 * halfhalo has popcorn Oct 29 21:29:45 tmzt: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/webos-internals.20090614.txt Oct 29 21:29:49 lol Oct 29 21:29:55 sorry dude Oct 29 21:29:59 I think my logs are messed up Oct 29 21:30:15 I just wondered why nobody helped Oct 29 21:30:55 i posted the error i got, and people were like "yeah, i should fix that" Oct 29 21:30:55 lol Oct 29 21:30:58 then nothing Oct 29 21:31:08 then some more questions Oct 29 21:31:12 which lead nowhere Oct 29 21:31:43 * rsanchez_ hates virtual keyboard, but has no choice Oct 29 21:33:32 tmzt: are there any other commands you wanted me to try before it restarts to apply the keyboard patch? Oct 29 21:34:53 * Tibfib is impressed oil found the right day Oct 29 21:35:20 gonna try a full restart again Oct 29 21:35:42 Tibfib: its not hard to start at the top and search each one for "oil" Oct 29 21:36:02 luckily? it was the 5th day of logging? Oct 29 21:36:08 I'm more impressed that you cared enough Oct 29 21:36:25 lol, caring.... Oct 29 21:36:35 rsanchez_: we really need lsusb Oct 29 21:36:39 but Oct 29 21:37:04 Tibfib: its why i generally try to be helpful when people join Oct 29 21:37:27 oilsworkn: nice, props! Oct 29 21:37:31 oilsworkn: horrible plan Oct 29 21:37:52 lol Oct 29 21:38:08 cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/man* Oct 29 21:38:43 well, for things i know about Oct 29 21:38:55 things like keyboards not working, all i got is "have you turned it off and on again?" Oct 29 21:39:08 lol Oct 29 21:39:33 * oilsworkn brb workstuffs Oct 29 21:39:52 hold on, phone is still restarting Oct 29 21:40:06 oilsworkn: Jun 13 06:22:48 oil: when you've got root, let me know so we can do Oct 29 21:40:20 you were testing somethign that wasn't possibly going to work Oct 29 21:40:22 lol when you've got root Oct 29 21:40:34 time differential Oct 29 21:40:40 it was back then Oct 29 21:40:53 about an hour Oct 29 21:41:17 here is the output: Linux 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 ohci_hcd Oct 29 21:41:24 hmm Oct 29 21:41:30 so it only sees the hub? Oct 29 21:41:35 can you ipkg lsusb or something Oct 29 21:41:41 I can't really do this without it Oct 29 21:41:51 they got rid of the useful files in /proc Oct 29 21:41:59 well not on the kernel you're on Oct 29 21:42:01 oh, I didn't know what was something you could get Oct 29 21:42:16 hold on a minute Oct 29 21:42:18 yeah, pretty much any command is a program you can install Oct 29 21:42:36 yeah I guess Oct 29 21:45:14 tmzt: no, i understood that, which is why i went looking for help when it didn't work Oct 29 21:45:19 but after that i gave up on it Oct 29 21:45:19 lol Oct 29 21:45:26 ah well, things are much better now Oct 29 21:46:53 yay giving up! Oct 29 21:46:58 lol Oct 29 21:47:40 sometimes its better than the alternative Oct 29 21:48:09 often involves candy as well Oct 29 21:48:48 then i came back to help with preware Oct 29 21:48:55 do you have KeyBoss installed? Oct 29 21:48:57 only to find there was almost nothing and nobody working on it Oct 29 21:49:03 lol Oct 29 21:49:10 look how that worked out oil Oct 29 21:49:21 i know, what did i get myself into, right? Oct 29 21:49:22 lol Oct 29 21:49:50 this is why I dont help Oct 29 21:50:08 * oilsworkn has seen halfhalo doing stuff! Oct 29 21:50:20 lies Oct 29 21:50:36 where is ka6sox3? Oct 29 21:50:59 dead? Oct 29 21:51:08 hopefully not Oct 29 21:51:14 lol Oct 29 21:53:34 rsanchez_: do you have KeyBoss installed? Oct 29 21:53:48 your a towel Oct 29 21:54:27 * halfhalo went to ralphs for popcorn, and left with candy! Oct 29 21:55:07 what is KeyBoss? Oct 29 21:55:27 an app egaudet_work made Oct 29 21:56:45 and the "userspace input kernel module" that goes with it Oct 29 21:56:52 maybe it could cause problems? Oct 29 21:58:11 I've never had any issues Oct 29 22:00:33 yeah KeyBoss is still very alpha and may or may not cause hidd to misbehave Oct 29 22:00:52 bbiab Oct 29 22:05:11 sorry guys was afk Oct 29 22:05:24 I can get lsusb off preware right? Oct 29 22:05:54 i've never seen it in there Oct 29 22:06:42 how can I get it on my pre then? Oct 29 22:06:55 just upload the executable and run it? Oct 29 22:07:11 not unless the executable is compiled for the pre Oct 29 22:07:31 darn, I was hoping it was just that simple Oct 29 22:08:50 I had installed the russian layout patch Oct 29 22:08:55 maybe that's causing problems? Oct 29 22:09:25 that's really the only thing I did to keyboard, I installed virtual keyboard after the physical keyboard stopped responding Oct 29 22:09:36 id say remove russian layout patch and see if it fixes itself Oct 29 22:11:06 k phone is restarting... Oct 29 22:14:05 rsanchez_: usb-utils is probably in optware Oct 29 22:14:17 (command line version, not directly in Preware) Oct 29 22:14:49 i can just upload that one to my pre and run it? Oct 29 22:15:17 removing russian keyboard layout patch didn't fix it Oct 29 22:15:37 :/ Oct 29 22:21:58 * rsanchez_ is still new to the community... Oct 29 22:22:17 * oilsworkn wishes he knew more things to tell rsanchez_ to try Oct 29 22:22:53 * rsanchez_ wishes he knew why keyboard just stopped working out of nowhere for no apparent reason Oct 29 22:23:08 * rsanchez_ also wishes virtual keyboard wasn't so buggy Oct 29 22:23:32 rsanchez_: install the Optware Advanced Linux Command Line Installer from Preware. Run 'ipkg-opt update; ipkg-opt list' on the command line. Use 'ipkg-opt install ' to install one. Oct 29 22:24:10 I'm a little confused what is usb-utils going to help with keyboard? Oct 29 22:24:23 rsanchez_: did you say that you have KeyBoss installed? Oct 29 22:24:31 no I don't have KeyBoss installed Oct 29 22:24:43 at least I don't remember installing anything called KeyBoss Oct 29 22:24:52 does it go by another name on preware? Oct 29 22:25:15 egaudet: it won't, but rsanchez_ asked how to get lsusb Oct 29 22:26:05 tmzt wants me to get it to better diagnose this problem Oct 29 22:26:27 egaudet: is keyboard usb? Oct 29 22:26:32 how is lsusb going to help diagnose the keyboard? Oct 29 22:26:35 he psoted a dmesg full of usb errors Oct 29 22:27:03 is the pre plugged into usb at the moment? Oct 29 22:27:28 * egaudet scrolls up Oct 29 22:27:39 it is plugged in Oct 29 22:27:40 lol Oct 29 22:28:32 unplug it Oct 29 22:29:46 unplugging it didn't fix the keyboard :/ Oct 29 22:30:27 now it's just acting strange Oct 29 22:30:43 plugged it back in and a battery with a question mark in the middle pops up Oct 29 22:31:41 can't novaterm into it Oct 29 22:32:00 red? Oct 29 22:32:03 looks like unplugging it made things worse Oct 29 22:32:07 the battery is white Oct 29 22:32:46 it's not booted? Oct 29 22:34:04 battery white means it doesn't see a battery right? Maybe your battery is loose? Oct 29 22:35:33 wait, now it's showing the palm logo Oct 29 22:35:48 guess it's booting up, hopefully Oct 29 22:36:06 talk to you in a half hour :P Oct 29 22:36:24 well I had installed usbutils right before unplugging it so I don't know if you want me to do anything with it Oct 29 22:36:41 there were a few other nice things in there I had noticed Oct 29 22:36:50 x11 is in optware... Oct 29 22:37:53 lol Oct 29 22:38:43 great, white battery again Oct 29 22:41:28 silly n00b question, but how do I remove the battery cover? Oct 29 22:41:43 finger nail Oct 29 22:41:46 slide Oct 29 22:41:47 the little tab on the bottom Oct 29 22:41:47 along sides Oct 29 22:41:49 depress it Oct 29 22:41:54 then it should come off easily Oct 29 22:42:18 wtf who put that tab there Oct 29 22:42:34 its always been, haha Oct 29 22:42:48 good grief lol Oct 29 22:42:59 makes it way easier, haha Oct 29 22:43:01 I never paid much mind to it lol Oct 29 22:43:18 yeah that is significantly easier than my finger nail slides Oct 29 22:43:44 it doesn't look like the battery is loose Oct 29 22:46:01 is it just me, or is removing the battery difficult? Oct 29 22:48:09 ... I was just being dumb Oct 29 22:48:14 you're supposed to pull that tab Oct 29 22:48:25 yeah, and it pops out Oct 29 22:48:48 you may have to pull "down and out" Oct 29 22:49:36 pulled the battery out, put it back in nice and snug, still getting the white battery Oct 29 22:51:46 first keyboard goes, then battery goes Oct 29 22:51:49 what's next Oct 29 22:52:01 white batter with question? Oct 29 22:52:29 yep Oct 29 22:52:58 yeah it doesn't see the battery Oct 29 22:53:11 I'm gonna have to go in 10 minutes too Oct 29 22:53:43 doctor the device from recovery mode after running Save/Restore and saving data from USB drive Oct 29 22:54:20 can't exactly run anything, doesn't let me get in the device from terminal Oct 29 22:55:31 how long does it take for webos doctor to run? Oct 29 22:56:51 up to 20 mins Oct 29 22:57:00 * rwhitby bbl Oct 29 22:57:15 I'm gonna run it when I get back home Oct 29 22:57:37 thanks for all the help so far guys, bbl Oct 29 23:00:18 grrrrrrrrrrr why do people gotta mix tabs and spaces! Oct 29 23:02:00 hold on, plugged it back in and palm logo is up again Oct 29 23:02:08 why are you doing this to me Pre? Oct 29 23:02:46 and white battery again... Oct 29 23:03:23 check the battery connections? Oct 29 23:03:46 what should I be looking for? Oct 29 23:04:54 nvm I really have to go right no Oct 29 23:05:08 will probably be back in an hour Oct 29 23:05:19 thanks guys Oct 29 23:50:38 hey guys Oct 29 23:50:51 chatting with you from wIRC Oct 29 23:51:08 brought my phone bacl to life with keyboard Oct 29 23:51:24 how? Oct 29 23:51:46 it was still doing the white battery thing so Oct 29 23:52:04 what I did is orange+sym+power Oct 29 23:52:13 booted right back up Oct 29 23:52:25 it probably though it wasn't charged Oct 29 23:52:31 no idea how that affected your keyboard Oct 29 23:53:04 but it does seem that when I close the keyboard slider my phone turns off again Oct 29 23:53:39 and then I would need to do orange sym again to boot back up Oct 29 23:54:18 I think I'm gonna doctor it anyway Oct 29 23:55:14 rwhitby mentioned something about save restore before doctoring Oct 29 23:55:40 do you know what he was talking about? Oct 30 00:02:48 am I still connected? Oct 30 00:04:32 that's probably the loose battery connection when you close the slider it causes the battery to disconnect and reboots the phone. Oct 30 00:09:17 I tried to put the battery back in snugly Oct 30 00:11:02 rsanchez1: i haven't read your history or what's going on, but save/rsetore is an app that will take (for supported apps) all the data that's important and archive it onto your usb partition for you. Oct 30 00:11:16 rsanchez1: so if you install save/restore, and run it, and then copy the resulting archive off your phone. Oct 30 00:11:25 when you doctor, you can put it back and restore it. Oct 30 00:11:36 kinda like restoring palm profile, but for... lots of apps. Oct 30 00:11:38 oh cool Oct 30 00:11:39 insetad of just email. Oct 30 00:11:53 rsanchez1: doesn't support everything, but supports a bunch and is growing. Oct 30 00:12:25 I also heard somewhere something about preware restoring your homebrew apps Oct 30 00:13:35 rsanchez1: yes. save/restore can supports preware--which maens it'll save your list of installed apps. Oct 30 00:13:49 such that you can restore the list, and then just tell preware to install'em all :) Oct 30 00:14:31 alright, so when I doctor, I still have to install preware using wosqi right? Oct 30 00:16:20 yeppers. Oct 30 00:16:56 ok guys thanks a bunch for the info Oct 30 00:17:31 see ya in a bit Oct 30 00:27:25 hello Oct 30 00:27:52 hello Oct 30 00:30:07 exit Oct 30 01:19:52 exit Oct 30 01:21:48 lol Oct 30 02:48:34 hey guys Oct 30 02:49:41 morning Oct 30 02:50:02 still having weird problems with my pre Oct 30 02:50:24 doctored it and everything, but closing the keyboard turns the phone off Oct 30 02:51:59 turn it in Oct 30 02:52:03 get a newe one Oct 30 02:54:49 I was kind of hoping for a more immediate solution Oct 30 02:55:02 weird thing is that some patches from before the doctoring are still visible Oct 30 02:55:11 for example I have four launcher pages instead of three Oct 30 02:55:16 although before I had five launcher pages Oct 30 02:59:52 have you tried ERU? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 30 02:59:57 2010