**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 03 02:59:57 2010 Nov 03 03:00:12 well i have 3 pre minus Nov 03 03:00:14 destinal: MetaDoctor has been updated - just use it to prevent the modem flash Nov 03 03:00:17 i guess i could try on one of them Nov 03 03:00:40 rwhitby: does it force disable now? it used to just prevent it from -being forced- Nov 03 03:00:51 destinal: yes, it's changed. Nov 03 03:00:55 rwhitby: kk Nov 03 03:01:05 I found the relevant line in the doctor config file. Nov 03 03:01:37 * halfhalo will be buying a devdevice on the 15th Nov 03 03:01:39 * PuffTheMagic tries to remember which pre he spilled shit on to test with Nov 03 03:01:55 PuffTheMagic: how many do you have these days? :) Nov 03 03:02:13 rwhitby: you should add kernel slipstreaming into metadoctor Nov 03 03:02:30 I'm sure patches are welcome? ;) Nov 03 03:03:06 destinal: yeah, we could add a CUSTOM_KERNEL_TARBALL and just have a tarball with /boot and /lib/modules in it Nov 03 03:03:32 that would stuff up the integrity check, but I guess we could refresh the md5sums file too like we do for other things Nov 03 03:03:39 rwhitby: yup. if you want to go crazy you could have it be able to wget and merge in an ipk Nov 03 03:03:52 for the uberkernel that is Nov 03 03:04:26 Ipk's are fun Nov 03 03:04:43 * rwhitby bbiab - lunch Nov 03 03:04:53 halfhalo: what's the price on the dev pre2's? Nov 03 03:05:15 not announced yet Nov 03 03:05:18 No idea,but putting devday monies to it since I can't go Nov 03 03:05:25 I'm assuming $400 or $500 Nov 03 03:05:36 Yup Nov 03 03:12:13 so im gonna flash my pre after i backup my /media-internal Nov 03 03:12:13 Yay :9 Nov 03 03:12:33 I think aside from the date I had the webOS 2.0 SFR doctor URL figured out. Nov 03 03:14:03 PuffTheMagic: how long you think? I'll wait around for the results Nov 03 03:14:09 this news > sleep for work Nov 03 03:16:59 few min Nov 03 03:17:42 though i should have use ssh Nov 03 03:17:46 usb is so damn slow on the pre Nov 03 03:19:49 Yeah. It's like a USB 1 or something. I think Pre 2 has a faster USB connection. AOL Keyword: think Nov 03 03:20:40 whats a wircer? is that like a whiner? Nov 03 03:21:05 lol Nov 03 03:21:16 Someone who uses WIRC. :p Nov 03 03:21:33 I'm going with whiner Nov 03 03:24:02 OMG...I got a LOL Out of PuffTheMagic w00h00! Nov 03 03:24:27 ka6sox, I lol Nov 03 03:24:50 not uncontrollably like oil, but I do Nov 03 03:24:54 your partner in crime does too! Nov 03 03:26:38 Woooo!!! No whitman! Nov 03 03:27:00 21minutes after the polls close? Nov 03 03:27:31 40 till final results in, but its looking like brown took it Nov 03 03:27:57 lol does it really matter? California is screwed either way Nov 03 03:28:09 but we could be LESS screwed Nov 03 03:28:26 heh, our polls closed 4 1/2 hours ago and according to TV the gov candidates are 200 votes apart Nov 03 03:28:31 Yeah, with whitman we woul have to use paypal for everything Nov 03 03:28:33 no I don't think you could be any less screwed Nov 03 03:28:44 please no Palidino Nov 03 03:29:24 Now... boxer vs fiorina Nov 03 03:29:44 we could still have a 66% super majority requirement to pass a state budget 3': Nov 03 03:30:15 Wait, we have a budget Nov 03 03:30:29 we should be on Fiorina's side, she is from HP after all, amirite? Nov 03 03:30:45 Yeah, but she is annoying Nov 03 03:31:01 they're both annoying imho Nov 03 03:31:23 ms. boxer worked hard for her senator title, looks like she's gonna keep it Nov 03 03:31:23 Yeah, but boxer is less annoying fo me Nov 03 03:31:37 * ka6sox suggest a move to -ot :D Nov 03 03:31:51 lol Nov 03 03:31:57 so... how about that 2.0 doctor? Nov 03 03:31:58 she merged HP with Compaq which was pretty dumb AAAAaaaand when groups call you the "anti-Steve Jobs" for making your customers hate you well lol Nov 03 03:32:36 Since when did internals have an ot Nov 03 03:33:27 I just suggested that this discussion was -ot :D Nov 03 03:33:32 rwhitby worked hard for the title of webOS Guru, he would prefer to be addressed as such Nov 03 03:33:48 hmm Nov 03 03:33:56 rwhitby: did you see the maemo guys got a pre SDL/PDL compatibilty layer going to run webos 3d games? Nov 03 03:34:01 (on n900) Nov 03 03:34:09 the doctor is not getting past the part where it tells u to connect your phone Nov 03 03:34:10 destinal: yep, I tweeted it the other day Nov 03 03:34:30 PuffTheMagic: is it possibly looking for the phone based on USB vendor/product IDs and failing? Nov 03 03:34:52 I remember going into #maemo in 1.3.x days to talk about them with that but nobody really getting what I was talking about Nov 03 03:35:59 SineOt, i didnt have novacomd running :D Nov 03 03:36:03 its doctoring now Nov 03 03:36:07 lol Nov 03 03:36:07 ehhh Nov 03 03:36:08 now it fails Nov 03 03:36:25 token miss match Nov 03 03:36:59 PuffTheMagic: a newer check for which device (rather than just which carrier) perhaps? Nov 03 03:37:03 that'd be like a check for the radio board, correct? Nov 03 03:37:15 tokens are in bootie Nov 03 03:37:18 that can be changed Nov 03 03:37:27 you going to change them? :D Nov 03 03:37:33 PuffTheMagic: I wouldn change em there, I would just hack out the check Nov 03 03:38:32 (better long term solution anyway) Nov 03 03:40:24 metadoctor has remove carrier check and remove model check features Nov 03 03:40:32 i enabled those Nov 03 03:40:47 am i supposed to set model to pre2 or pre Nov 03 03:41:22 Oh metadoctor.. what can't you do... besides work on windows, I mean... Nov 03 03:42:18 hmmm...I wonder if the kernel is configured for a 3430 or 3630...that could get interesting. Nov 03 03:42:43 DEVICE=pre2 CARRIER=wr Nov 03 03:42:48 yeah have that Nov 03 03:42:50 not working Nov 03 03:43:00 halfhalo: thats why the gods gave us VMs :) (or unix / linux desktops) Nov 03 03:43:16 INFO: DeviceType on the webOS Dr is : roadrunner and deviceType on the device is : castle Nov 03 03:43:24 WARNING: Flash Failure Nov 03 03:43:24 err -1 "TOKEN MISMATCH: Failed to find match for Device information. Prevent user from flashing" Nov 03 03:43:24 at com.palm.nova.installer.core.FlasherThread.run(FlasherThread.java:238) Nov 03 03:43:24 at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636) Nov 03 03:43:34 ah, must be a new check Nov 03 03:44:25 ah so we need to find devicetype in the doctor and be able to patch that I suppose, (simpler than messing with the java code) Nov 03 03:45:03 or change castle to roadrunner Nov 03 03:45:07 in tokens Nov 03 03:45:17 ugh, well _you_ can :) Nov 03 03:48:58 PuffTheMagic: new MetaDoctor pushed with REMOVE_DEVICETYPE_CHECK feature (undocumented) Nov 03 03:49:11 (untested too) Nov 03 03:49:32 That's the best kind... Nov 03 03:57:04 fails resetting device now Nov 03 03:57:35 battery charge failure Nov 03 03:58:10 all kinds of issues. bleh Nov 03 03:58:29 well, with that note, Imma go to bed. Leaving IRC up so I have a good read in the morning with my cereal Nov 03 03:58:53 battery charge failure? Nov 03 04:07:23 PuffTheMagic: is it trying to use a different novacom charge detection mechanism or do you really have a low battery? Nov 03 04:08:02 novacom doesnt' do charge detection...thats done either by bootie or powerd Nov 03 04:08:29 well...actually there is a kernel module that does it. Nov 03 04:09:35 PuffTheMagic: do the devicetype remove worked? Nov 03 04:10:02 my battery is at 50% right now Nov 03 04:10:13 rwhitby, yes i used the secret option Nov 03 04:10:34 PuffTheMagic: I wonder if we need to prevent bootie being flashed Nov 03 04:11:17 it resets into recovery mode fine Nov 03 04:11:21 but then fails after that Nov 03 04:11:51 http://dpaste.com/269537/ Nov 03 04:12:41 PuffTheMagic: does that have original or new bootie on the device? Nov 03 04:12:51 umm Nov 03 04:12:53 should be orig Nov 03 04:12:58 isnt there a battcheck bootie var or something Nov 03 04:12:59 what is new bootie? Nov 03 04:13:14 PuffTheMagic: there may be a new bootie in the Pre 2 doctor Nov 03 04:13:15 egaudet, yes. Nov 03 04:13:30 it looks for it...but I don't think you can fool it. Nov 03 04:14:09 fool it? Can't you just take the env var away and it stops checking? Nov 03 04:14:49 it should be easy enough to fool actually, I think itś just calling a shell command Nov 03 04:15:02 the doctor is, I mean Nov 03 04:15:40 it would be nicer to make it still check to make sure youre not an idiot, but thats an enhancement :) Nov 03 04:16:27 PuffTheMagic: wait, is it using the wrong installer image? Nov 03 04:16:44 ? Nov 03 04:16:48 bbt Nov 03 04:16:48 does the battery check happen before or after sending the installer image to bootie and novacom ing in? Nov 03 04:16:51 heh - that's the first check - can you memboot the installer image Nov 03 04:17:09 because the pre2 installer image aint gonna work, I bet Nov 03 04:17:37 ya, it checks battery first... Nov 03 04:18:02 hmmm...I wonder if they are using the 6030 instead of the other chip for battery detection. Nov 03 04:18:54 rwhitby: besides slipstreaming a kernel we will need to slipstream an installer (and hope the ones from 1.4.x doctors work with the commands the 2.0 doctors / client will be sending) Nov 03 04:19:54 yeah, Pre2 installer uImage doesn't boot Pre, as expected. Nov 03 04:20:53 does the battery check definitely talk to bootie and not a booted installer? Nov 03 04:21:07 trying to figure out if thats another hurdle or the same one Nov 03 04:21:11 pretty sure it talks to bootie directly Nov 03 04:21:28 you can novaterm to see the battery percentage being reported in bootie mode Nov 03 04:21:38 yeah, I remember now Nov 03 04:22:24 I wonder if were going at this backwards, maybe we should take the system image from a 20 installer and put it into a 1.4.x installer Nov 03 04:22:36 s/installer/doctor/ Nov 03 04:22:38 destinal meant: I wonder if were going at this backwards, maybe we should take the system image from a 20 doctor and put it into a 1.4.x installer Nov 03 04:23:04 if they didnt change LVM etc it might work Nov 03 04:23:56 destinal: MetaDoctor has CUSTOM_WEBOS_TARBALL and CUSTOM_CARRIER_TARBALL features to do exactly that Nov 03 04:24:48 and you'd still need to replace kernel, modules and bootie Nov 03 04:25:15 destinal: and I saw a toolchain difference in the OE .control files too Nov 03 04:25:43 bootie knows about how to talk to the battery charger directly. Nov 03 04:26:20 i really dont see why theyd change how they query/report battery either Nov 03 04:26:50 and why the 2.x doctor wouldnt be backwards compatible with 1.x devices if they did since this thing has to work on those eventually Nov 03 04:26:57 unless they are using a different charge circuit. Nov 03 04:27:36 oh! did we change the device name to castle from roadrunner or just hack out one check? Nov 03 04:27:58 I think we definitely want to change the name in the doctor too in case there are if statements around it Nov 03 04:28:34 otherwise it may be attempting to talk to castles bootie as if it were roadrunner Nov 03 04:35:08 good luck folks Nov 03 04:35:17 * destinal considers risking his production pre.. Nov 03 04:35:35 I wouldn't Nov 03 04:35:57 yeah, tempting though Nov 03 04:36:28 bricking it would be bad Nov 03 04:36:29 i already said i would do the testing on my extra pre with spilled sambuca all over it ;)( Nov 03 04:36:59 PuffTheMagic: at least it was sambuca and not something uninteresting like water Nov 03 04:37:20 destinal, i nailed my macbook too in the same shot Nov 03 04:37:33 PuffTheMagic: ouch Nov 03 04:37:39 1/3 of the keys were sticky Nov 03 04:37:43 almost have it all cleaned Nov 03 04:37:47 been a few weeks since this happened Nov 03 04:38:07 lot of rubbing alcohol and q-tips Nov 03 04:38:21 only 1 partially broken key Nov 03 04:38:26 from me removing them to clean Nov 03 04:38:54 PuffTheMagic: If youre gonna spill, the higher the proof the better (quicker evaporation) :) Nov 03 04:39:27 not when the remaining percentage is sugar Nov 03 04:39:34 as in sambuca Nov 03 04:39:53 PuffTheMagic: good point. -- so, if you want to try something, see if you can edit your doctor image to change the device name to castle instead of roadrunner Nov 03 04:40:12 I think its not just the device check but maybe different code paths to communicate with different devices Nov 03 04:41:32 destinal, rwhitby says there is a kernel issue Nov 03 04:41:57 the other way to go about it would be rolling a new 1.4.x doctor with the system image tarball from 2.0. Nov 03 04:42:50 and yeah you would want to use the 1.4.x installer image Nov 03 04:42:58 to boot the device into installer mode Nov 03 04:46:49 PuffTheMagic, can you send me the config please from the uImage? Nov 03 04:46:58 (the kernel config) Nov 03 04:47:17 how Nov 03 04:47:22 i havent booted it yet Nov 03 04:48:22 this is the new device? Nov 03 04:48:24 you have the doctor... Nov 03 04:48:32 its in the doctor. Nov 03 04:49:10 tmzt: 2.0 doctor being tried on castle Nov 03 04:50:21 tmzt: but yeah, it is a roadrunner doctor so the kernel would be for the new device Nov 03 04:51:18 I'm trying to find out if they are using TWL_BC Nov 03 04:52:34 ka6sox: extracting Nov 03 04:54:11 ka6sox, where in the doctor? Nov 03 04:54:28 interesting, what's this about flashing the modem? Nov 03 04:54:42 aren't you worried the binary protocol has changed? Nov 03 04:55:00 tmzt: we are specifically *not* flashing the modem Nov 03 04:55:05 riht Nov 03 04:55:15 but the system image might not match then Nov 03 04:55:22 ka6sox, find . -name "*config*" Nov 03 04:55:27 i dont see anything kernel related Nov 03 04:55:38 its in /boot Nov 03 04:55:50 in the fs. Nov 03 04:55:52 ls Nov 03 04:56:47 ooh, neat stuff in /usr/inst2 in the root image -- installation: This document lists the required setup and procedure to obtain DSP load for multimedia use cases using INST2 utility. It also provides brief information on the working and limitation of the ‘InstUtility’ tool. Nov 03 04:58:35 ka6sox got /boot, but oddly it contains uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 and config-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 which have to be misnamed Nov 03 04:58:51 destinal: unless they just didn't change the name Nov 03 04:59:04 ka6sox: no TWL_BC stuff in there Nov 03 04:59:39 ka6sox: http://webos.pastebin.com/nVYmF0G3 Nov 03 05:00:52 yup, CONFIG_ARCH_OMAP36XX=y Nov 03 05:01:14 CONFIG_ARCH_OMAP3630=y Nov 03 05:01:28 along with 34XX and 3430 both set to y also. odd Nov 03 05:01:38 why odd? Nov 03 05:01:49 they arent going to build multiple kernels Nov 03 05:01:55 they will have one kernel that works for all Nov 03 05:02:03 they are lazy like that Nov 03 05:02:18 they arent using any special cflags for the kernel Nov 03 05:02:18 but at that point why both declaring it if it's not going to be used c_c; Nov 03 05:02:33 ? Nov 03 05:03:20 PuffTheMagic: ah, I was assuming the kernel would be different. (rwhitby says the pre2 installer image doesnt appear to boot on his pre, for instance) Nov 03 05:05:06 the doctors might have special stripped down uImages Nov 03 05:05:17 for the installer part Nov 03 05:05:28 no its in the payload section. Nov 03 05:06:05 payload section? Nov 03 05:06:13 jas. Nov 03 05:06:26 the rootfs has it in there. Nov 03 05:06:30 who/what/where payload Nov 03 05:06:41 what is "it" in this context? Nov 03 05:08:11 let me go find it. Nov 03 05:08:11 ah CONFIG_MACH_SIRLOIN_3630=y Nov 03 05:08:18 SIRLOIN! Nov 03 05:08:24 lol Nov 03 05:08:29 geist: tasty sirloin Nov 03 05:08:33 geist: better than CHUCK Nov 03 05:08:41 or RIB Nov 03 05:08:49 yah Nov 03 05:09:29 flank too Nov 03 05:11:51 well I guess if youre using the same board name roadrunner would be really similar to castle Nov 03 05:12:07 should be obvious, maybe :) Nov 03 05:12:28 I want Filet. Nov 03 05:13:11 geist: long time no see. what are you doing these days? Nov 03 05:14:46 i think it's basically identical Nov 03 05:15:45 * destinal wonders what meat mansion will be built on top of :) Nov 03 05:16:03 skirt steak ;P Nov 03 05:18:45 PuffTheMagic: are you trying the 1.4.x doctor rebuild or changing the platform name in the jar, or do you need more info? Nov 03 05:20:20 destinal: not much Nov 03 05:20:25 hackin, playing wow, playin minecraft Nov 03 05:20:43 geist: ah, the good life Nov 03 05:24:39 destinal: naa not tonight, i was in my lab from 10 to 8 today and have a early day tomorrow, all i have left in me for tonight is some sambuca and tv Nov 03 05:25:44 PuffTheMagic: cool. careful with the sambuca, its deadly :) Nov 03 05:25:56 (to electronics I mean) Nov 03 05:26:03 haha Nov 03 05:26:12 u know what caused the accident? Nov 03 05:26:17 i used my pre as an alarm Nov 03 05:26:21 while charing on usb Nov 03 05:26:26 on a messy table Nov 03 05:26:33 and fumbled it Nov 03 05:26:41 and knocked shit over Nov 03 05:26:50 now i charge it far away Nov 03 05:27:04 cause that damn fury alarm ringer can be heard a mile away Nov 03 05:27:57 yeah ive used it to wake up but I am slightly worried one day id throw it across the room in annoyance when not quite awake :) Nov 03 05:28:40 i usually keep two alarms on opposite ends of a room, otherwise I tend to sleep through them Nov 03 05:31:58 * ka6sox puts his pixi on the *other* side of the room so he has to get UP to turn it off. Nov 03 05:33:04 thats what i typically do Nov 03 05:39:13 we need someone in France with a Pre2 to look at sysfs :D Nov 03 05:40:07 PuffTheMagic: you mean the "flurry" ringer? that thing is crazy loud Nov 03 05:40:21 yeah Nov 03 05:41:13 bring back flight of the bumblebees Nov 03 05:41:49 the speaker is too small for Fugue in D-minor Nov 03 05:55:43 im calling it quits Nov 03 05:55:51 catch yall tomorrow Nov 03 05:56:13 later Nov 03 05:56:24 later Nov 03 05:56:49 niters Nov 03 06:00:23 destinal: wrong channel Nov 03 06:01:16 random thoughts.. storage d? and usd and usf in etc seem to be about talking to devices.. /etc/openal would seem to indicate the OpenAL audio framework -- new? Nov 03 06:01:16 a lot of config files seem to have lots of test statements in them, including /etc/pmwsf (wireless system framework maybe?) Nov 03 06:01:50 I -think- OpenAL would have been part of the SDL stuff, but I'm not sure Nov 03 06:02:33 hmm, /etc/vpnc obviously (about time) Nov 03 06:02:53 and /etc/adobe Nov 03 06:04:32 destinal: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/29545830532 Nov 03 06:04:40 /etc/ls2, ls2 is the new luna service bus, IIRC Nov 03 06:05:21 rwhitby: nice Nov 03 06:05:48 but I can't see any kernel driver for it in the config file Nov 03 06:05:49 rwhitby: there seems to be both hidd and this new -usd- thing Nov 03 06:06:56 in etc the dir has what look a lot like hidd config files, so I wonder if this is a migration to a new thing that isnt totally done yet, or what Nov 03 06:08:12 rwhitby: is bootchartd new to webos? Nov 03 06:08:21 destinal: been there for a while Nov 03 06:10:39 if there's no kernel driver for it, it -might-, and this is complete conjecture here Nov 03 06:10:55 be something akin to the virtual-keyboard: true thing from the emulator release Nov 03 06:11:18 rwhitby: what are libusd_drv_st331dlh.so and libusd_drv_ils29040.so ? Nov 03 06:11:20 in that it's not actually related to the hardware itself but instead something being worked on in parallel that didn't get removed prior to the doctor being built Nov 03 06:11:55 ie., something for a future device that will feature such a chip Nov 03 06:12:32 ? Nov 03 06:13:03 destinal: http://www.st.com/stonline/products/families/sensors/motion_sensors/lis331dlh.htm Nov 03 06:13:18 idontwan2know: with the magenometer, yeah Nov 03 06:14:11 destinal: http://www.intersil.com/products/deviceinfo.asp?pn=ISL29028 Nov 03 06:14:41 rwhitby: pre uses http://www.kionix.com/accelerometers/accelerometer-KXSD9.html so that is different... Nov 03 06:16:56 rwhitby: I wonder if we are looking at mansion hardware... Nov 03 06:17:37 or hurricane Nov 03 06:18:03 that's the only reasonable reason I can think of for the geomagnetic module being included but not having a kernel driver Nov 03 06:18:28 is that it's part of some unreleased hardware that just got accidentally left in Nov 03 06:18:34 and it looks like these libs are designed to talk to a new input framework that isnt fully switched on yet Nov 03 06:18:54 and probably would replace hidd Nov 03 06:19:04 destinal: it looks like a test framework based on strings in libusd.so Nov 03 06:19:18 not part of the normal OS Nov 03 06:19:56 could be that they are in a very early development phase also Nov 03 06:22:26 cypress_abd_ver1.0.so Nov 03 06:22:52 what was the name of the java executables in webOS ? Nov 03 06:22:52 under a comment for: touch panel parameters Nov 03 06:24:22 rwhitby: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/bin/java and a lot of stuff under /usr/lib/jvm and /usr/lib/luna/java Nov 03 06:24:43 all are gone Nov 03 06:24:54 saw that one coming Nov 03 06:26:24 I wonder if they moved it to native binaries or to node Nov 03 06:26:25 yup, a search shows no references to java in filenames Nov 03 06:26:47 SineOt: both, I imagine Nov 03 06:27:04 depending on function Nov 03 06:27:53 rwhitby: does anything major in the webos homebrew ecosystem still depend on java services? Nov 03 06:28:27 destinal: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/29546943981 Nov 03 06:28:36 destinal: all Jason's stuff. Nov 03 06:29:04 yeah, really glad we got preware moved to C :) Nov 03 06:29:33 has anyone confirmed having tried preware on a roadrunner btw? Nov 03 06:29:50 destinal: Dieter is going to try it tomorrow Nov 03 06:31:57 lol Nov 03 06:32:03 com.palm.service.calendar.yahoo ? Nov 03 06:32:23 did jason have a falling out with precentral or something? Nov 03 06:33:34 com.palm.service.bluetooth.spp -- nice, serial port profile should allow all kinds of interesting hacks Nov 03 06:36:52 and of course libflashplayer.so Nov 03 06:37:41 probably possible to load in 1.4.x given all the announcements earlier this year Nov 03 06:43:22 oil: I think Jason's just been busy at school. Nov 03 06:43:34 ah Nov 03 06:43:46 yeah: http://twitter.com/JayCanuck/status/29535763176 Nov 03 06:46:44 ok. must sleep. night all Nov 03 07:11:39 morning Nov 03 08:29:31 <[AD]Turbo> yo Nov 03 08:30:00 moin Nov 03 08:30:22 are there any detailed specs for the pre 2? Nov 03 08:31:38 i think so, on the palm website Nov 03 08:32:46 they are not sufficient http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/#tab2 Nov 03 08:34:11 i need the used chips like gsm, touchscreen, wifi, ... Nov 03 08:40:15 twitter.com/webosinternals Nov 03 08:40:31 from looking at the pre 2 doctor Nov 03 08:52:30 btw. do they use a newer kernel? Nov 03 08:56:14 no Nov 03 09:05:52 could anyone please paste /proc/config.gz? Nov 03 09:06:48 bbl Nov 03 10:55:24 playya_: just extract it from the doctor Nov 03 10:55:51 we don't have devices yet, just the doctor Nov 03 10:55:55 i don't own a pre 2 Nov 03 10:56:02 ah. OK :( Nov 03 11:01:31 playya_: you can download the doctor from the link on our wiki Nov 03 11:01:53 ok Nov 03 11:02:35 as far as we can tell, the only change is omap3430 to omap3460 - everything else you care about is the same Nov 03 11:03:12 btw. could you setup a webosinternals acount on statusnet and use the twitter integration? Nov 03 11:03:45 is it two way? Nov 03 11:03:55 i think so Nov 03 11:04:16 url for registration? Nov 03 11:04:20 never used it because my nick is owned by someone else on twitter Nov 03 11:04:39 Hi! I'll like to buy a used Palm Pre, is it possible to use it only on WIFI without Phone Service (CDMA-BELL) ? Thanks Nov 03 11:04:48 e.g. on identica: https://identi.ca/main/register Nov 03 11:06:03 Kane_: yes, but you need to be careful if you want to be able to buy apps - read up on precentral.net Nov 03 11:07:58 I've read about Activation process and creation of a Palm Profile... if the phone has already a Profile, can i create a new profile with my name ? (Full reset) Nov 03 11:23:41 hmm is is possible to load the sfr 2.0 doctor on sprint pre? Nov 03 11:23:43 hmm Nov 03 12:03:44 no Nov 03 12:37:56 rehi Nov 03 12:55:39 wb Nov 03 13:06:46 rwhitby, where is the config in the webos jar file? Nov 03 13:15:06 if i whant to try to doctor my old gsm pre ... with the doctor 2.0 ... i can copy the WebOS.tar on the old doctor ????? Nov 03 13:15:37 that won't work Nov 03 13:15:45 the kernel is not for the old pre/pre plus Nov 03 13:15:49 as i heard Nov 03 13:16:21 "Also, for those interested, no, you cannot use this Doctor to load webOS 2.0 onto your older Pre or Pixi device. It won’t work, and if it does, it won’t." Nov 03 13:17:25 yes but if i use an old kernel ... Nov 03 13:17:37 maybe one of the uberkernel or similar Nov 03 13:21:36 no ? Nov 03 13:22:17 good question Nov 03 13:24:02 :D Nov 03 13:24:58 i open the doctor and i found inside it a file called uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 .... Nov 03 13:25:02 maybe the 3430 ... Nov 03 13:25:11 if the processor ? Nov 03 13:25:13 is Nov 03 13:25:59 and also there is the config ... file ... Nov 03 13:26:42 it's possible to compile the kernel Nov 03 13:26:55 for the 3400 processor ... Nov 03 13:26:58 did you see the discussion on precentral? Nov 03 13:27:18 mmm Nov 03 13:27:26 no :D only some comment ... Nov 03 13:27:36 on the blog Nov 03 13:28:35 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/267778-pre-2-webos-doctor-available-what-can-we-learn.html Nov 03 13:51:59 Hi, is there a built version of node.js for current webos available? I always get an error when building it on myself Nov 03 13:52:54 sebastian: are you an early access developer? Nov 03 13:53:30 yes Nov 03 13:53:49 but I need a current version of node.js Nov 03 13:55:48 ask creationix on twitter, he's working on node.js for palm Nov 03 13:56:09 good to know, thanks Nov 03 14:47:01 ... when i install an app ... where i can found the ipkg on my pre ??? Nov 03 14:48:46 noware. It is delete when the installation is finished Nov 03 14:52:43 ok :( .. Nov 03 14:53:04 but if i take it before the finish of installation ??? Nov 03 14:53:13 where i can find it ? Nov 03 16:07:26 Darkmagister: from what I've seen you can get all the code and what not, unpacked, but not the ipkg Nov 03 16:07:34 Darkmagister: you could build the ipkg back up from that I suppose Nov 03 16:08:44 ok ... if i download .. an app ... all the data are stored in /usr/palm/applications ? Nov 03 16:15:06