**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 10 02:59:57 2010
Nov 10 03:11:07 <en0x> PuffTheMagic: pong
Nov 10 03:11:40 <PuffTheMagic> so i got psfreedom loading
Nov 10 03:11:44 <PuffTheMagic> usbnet must be disabled
Nov 10 03:11:47 <PuffTheMagic> however
Nov 10 03:11:57 <PuffTheMagic> my fw is too new :(
Nov 10 03:12:09 <PuffTheMagic> should have checked this out a month ago
Nov 10 03:12:29 <en0x> too bad
Nov 10 03:12:33 <en0x> i'm still on 3.41 ;D
Nov 10 03:12:58 <PuffTheMagic> yea it sucks
Nov 10 03:13:16 <en0x> maybe some day they will figure it out how to downgrade it
Nov 10 03:13:25 <en0x> or make an exploit for 3.50
Nov 10 04:22:12 <destinal> So OpenGLES is just a slight variant of OpenGL, in the way that unicycle  is a slight variant of a city bus. If you can handle one, the other  should be pretty much the same, right?  --jwz
Nov 10 04:24:05 <rwhitby> gotta love jamie's way with words
Nov 10 04:25:10 <destinal> I noticed he apparently got his daliclock iphone app into the app store recently but I guess he's been working on it for years off and on
Nov 10 04:25:28 <destinal> (the iphone port _specifically_)
Nov 10 06:39:32 <ajay> oh im still here.. ;^)
Nov 10 06:42:14 <chrisa> .save
Nov 10 06:42:21 <chrisa> bah
Nov 10 06:47:17 <ajay> so ill actually close this now.. i got uberkernel back reinstalled if i didn't mention before, thanks for the default kernel reminder! ttfn..
Nov 10 06:47:39 <rwhitby> ok
Nov 10 06:47:43 <ajay> oh wait dtz here?
Nov 10 06:48:20 <ajay> dtzWill: you around?
Nov 10 06:49:07 <ajay> wanted to checkin about X, but, anohter day.. :) ta!
Nov 10 08:41:39 <[AD]Turbo> yo all
Nov 10 10:18:59 <rwhitby> found something interesting in the SFR doctor:
Nov 10 10:19:02 <rwhitby> <ModemUpdater cdma="castlecdmafw.tar" umts="castleumtsfw.tar" world=""/>
Nov 10 10:19:10 <rwhitby> notice the "world" at the end?
Nov 10 10:58:04 * ice8lue says hey everybody
Nov 10 10:59:51 <ice8lue> dtzWill: did I miss something important yesterday?
Nov 10 11:04:12 <ice8lue> noone on here?
Nov 10 13:52:21 <ice8lue> could somebody help me with a strange problem?
Nov 10 13:52:49 <ice8lue> last night i created a new user on my pre, set bash as the default shell and install python
Nov 10 13:53:18 <ice8lue> today i recognized that i can't start games like the settlers, sims 3,...or other pdk games anymore
Nov 10 13:56:12 <ice8lue> do u have a solution for that? i'm on pre 1.4.5
Nov 10 13:58:05 <Loudergood> that's....interesting...
Nov 10 13:58:27 <ice8lue> ...well ya
Nov 10 13:59:10 <ice8lue> but it seems that at least these games fill some ram in the background because after some time i get TMCs over and Over again with no crads open/visible
Nov 10 14:03:43 <ice8lue> any ideas?
Nov 10 14:13:59 <ice8lue> no? =(
Nov 10 16:18:53 <destinal> ice8lue: try running them by hand.
Nov 10 16:19:05 <destinal> ah, not here anymore.  oh well
Nov 10 16:34:16 * phil_bw wanders by
Nov 10 16:34:44 <ice8lue> Heyho
Nov 10 16:34:51 <phil_bw> mornin
Nov 10 16:35:18 <ice8lue> xD its 5:30 pm over here^^
Nov 10 16:35:31 <phil_bw> 8:30 am here
Nov 10 16:35:42 <halfhalo> to early here...
Nov 10 16:35:48 <ice8lue> ^^
Nov 10 16:36:02 <ice8lue> well, whatever... i got a problem with my pre...
Nov 10 16:36:06 <phil_bw> sittin on the couch watching cars and eating macaroni & cheese with the one year old
Nov 10 16:36:18 <ice8lue> xD cool
Nov 10 16:36:20 <destinal> ~ugt
Nov 10 16:36:20 <infobot> from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Nov 10 16:36:35 <ice8lue> hi destinal
Nov 10 16:36:53 <phil_bw> haha, never heard that before
Nov 10 16:36:56 <destinal> ice8lue: morning
Nov 10 16:36:59 <destinal> :)
Nov 10 16:37:29 <destinal> ice8lue: so I think you could troubleshoot your problem by getting a shell and running the game binary by hand
Nov 10 16:37:51 <ice8lue> ah so you already know about it^^
Nov 10 16:38:35 <ice8lue> well....how? ;)
Nov 10 16:38:37 <destinal> yup, I read backlogs in morning if i can
Nov 10 16:39:04 <ice8lue> gooood^^
Nov 10 16:39:30 <destinal> ice8lue: novaterm or ssh into your device, cd to the application directory for the game you want, cat the appinfo.json or whatever to find out what the game binary is then run it with  ./whatevergamebinary
Nov 10 16:39:44 <destinal> probably it'll spit out an error and you'll know what's wrong
Nov 10 16:40:45 <ice8lue> ok, will try that after lunch^^ thx, will be back then
Nov 10 17:51:24 * ice8lue returned from lunch ~ yummy =D
Nov 10 17:56:00 <ice8lue> destinal?
Nov 10 17:56:24 <destinal> ice8lue: hey
Nov 10 17:56:53 <ice8lue> hey =) i just tried running angrybirds manually from novaterm...and it worked flawlessly
Nov 10 17:57:19 <ice8lue> (says it can't connect to Pulse Audio though, but it loads up)
Nov 10 17:57:35 <ice8lue> but when i try to start it from launcher nothing happens
Nov 10 17:59:34 <ice8lue> ...same error for n.o.v.a. but that game just shows a black screen
Nov 10 18:00:08 <destinal> ok, that is a bit strange.  maybe an environment variables thing.  let's try something a little more interesting.  stop your GUI with   "stop lunasysmgr"    .  then once it's stopped run  "LunaSysMgr"  from command line.  then you can wait until the UI comes up and try clicking the app
Nov 10 18:00:27 <destinal> and see if there's anything that shows up in the error output in your shell where luna's running in the foreground
Nov 10 18:00:39 <ice8lue> ok
Nov 10 18:01:56 <ice8lue> oh....ya there are lots of warnings...
Nov 10 18:02:24 <destinal> Luna's prettty noisy though so look for ones related to that app's launch when you start it
Nov 10 18:03:07 <ice8lue> most of them are about ScanOneApplicationsFolder ... somehow size related
Nov 10 18:05:16 <destinal> stuff that comes up specifically when you launch the app?
Nov 10 18:05:37 <ice8lue> luna's still loading up
Nov 10 18:07:14 <ice8lue> hmmm seems to tike quite long...
Nov 10 18:08:52 <destinal> yeah it's slow to start up
Nov 10 18:09:16 <destinal> eventually you'll get the normal phone UI on its screen
Nov 10 18:10:52 <ice8lue> is it normal to start that lame? rebooting is faster than that...
Nov 10 18:11:24 <destinal> not sure it may be a little slower when launching it in the foreground not that much slower
Nov 10 18:11:37 <destinal> is it still flashing palm logo?
Nov 10 18:11:41 <ice8lue> yap
Nov 10 18:11:52 <ice8lue> keyboard light is on and palm is flashing
Nov 10 18:12:02 <ice8lue> nothing new in novaterm
Nov 10 18:13:01 <destinal> hmm, I wonder if what may be wrong with your environment is affecting luna starting in your shell as well.  I've never seen it take ten minutes...
Nov 10 18:14:02 <destinal> you can always control-c  it to get back to your shell and either "reboot"  or "start lunasysmgr"  to start it back up as a service when you get tired waiting
Nov 10 18:14:03 <ice8lue> maybe because of bash? but i did some phone restarts already trying to fix it somehow
Nov 10 18:14:15 <destinal> did you change root's shell?
Nov 10 18:14:20 <ice8lue> ya
Nov 10 18:14:23 <destinal> don't do that
Nov 10 18:14:28 <ice8lue> ah ok^^
Nov 10 18:14:50 <destinal> I recommend changing another user's shell and logging in as them instead, or just running bash when you want it
Nov 10 18:14:56 <ice8lue> well it was said in the guid that setting the root shell to bash could be usefull too
Nov 10 18:15:24 <destinal> a lot of unix systems don't like root's shell changing.  I've never tried on my pre before tbh
Nov 10 18:15:31 <ice8lue> ok so i'll change that back to sh
Nov 10 18:15:47 <ice8lue> just need to stop luna startup....
Nov 10 18:16:02 <ice8lue> hm control+c doesnt work....is it safe to simply reboot?
Nov 10 18:16:08 <destinal> yep
Nov 10 18:16:25 <destinal> you can always novaterm in a second time and run reboot
Nov 10 18:17:48 <ice8lue> kk..i just don't want to doctor it....am still waiting for the 2.0 docs
Nov 10 18:19:29 <ice8lue> strange....after reboot, luna did start up
Nov 10 18:20:35 <rsanchez> you guys are trying 2.0?
Nov 10 18:20:41 <ice8lue> nope
Nov 10 18:21:07 <rsanchez> oh you just don't want to doctor it until you get the 2.0 doctor
Nov 10 18:21:16 <ice8lue> yap
Nov 10 18:21:22 <rsanchez> ok
Nov 10 18:21:41 <ice8lue> i think that won't take too long and i don't like to doctor it again and again^^
Nov 10 18:23:54 <ice8lue> destinal: hm i did set the root shell back to sh, killed lunasysmgr and start it again but it seems to hang anyways
Nov 10 18:26:54 <ice8lue> ...killing novaterm while lunasysmgr restart makes the flashing stop
Nov 10 18:31:06 <msd18> hey guys
Nov 10 18:31:28 <ice8lue> heyho
Nov 10 18:31:32 <msd18> has anyone been able to extract the web os linux files
Nov 10 18:31:59 <ice8lue> which linux files?
Nov 10 18:32:05 <msd18> for pixi
Nov 10 18:32:22 <msd18> i need the drivers from it to i can attempted to port ubuntu to pixi
Nov 10 18:32:56 <msd18> it would beat writing them from scratch
Nov 10 18:33:42 <msd18> as well as possible port to htc devices
Nov 10 18:33:49 <ice8lue> hm well i'm not into pixi stuff...but i think they should be accessible
Nov 10 18:34:10 <msd18> well within the disk drive option i see the folder called palm
Nov 10 18:34:18 <msd18> but the folders and files are encrypted
Nov 10 18:34:27 <msd18> my guess is that is the os tho due to the amount there
Nov 10 18:34:44 <Loudergood> you'll probably want to start looking inside the doctor files
Nov 10 18:34:50 <Loudergood> much easier to navigate
Nov 10 18:35:07 <ice8lue> ...or ssh/novaterm into your pixi's os
Nov 10 18:35:09 <msd18> hmmm true
Nov 10 18:35:16 <msd18> ya i can do that as well
Nov 10 18:35:23 <msd18> but how to use ssh to bring the files to windows
Nov 10 18:35:38 <msd18> she a ssh ftp program?
Nov 10 18:35:42 <msd18> use*
Nov 10 18:35:51 <Loudergood> filezilla is a good one
Nov 10 18:36:01 <msd18> can that connect to shh tho?
Nov 10 18:36:04 <msd18> ssh
Nov 10 18:36:25 <msd18> and wats the port / address
Nov 10 18:37:18 <msd18> also where does the doctor files extact to?
Nov 10 18:37:21 <ice8lue> destinal: still not working over here... i think it has to do with the ALSA Audio stuff
Nov 10 18:37:48 <ice8lue> should be possible to extract the doctor jar via winrar,...
Nov 10 18:37:57 <msd18> ah true
Nov 10 18:38:09 <msd18> i totaly forgot abour that
Nov 10 18:38:26 <ice8lue> ;)
Nov 10 18:38:51 <Loudergood> yeah I use 7zip for that
Nov 10 18:39:01 <Loudergood> works quite well
Nov 10 18:41:17 <msd18> the rootfs should contain wat i need correct
Nov 10 18:41:32 <msd18> there there is also a UIimage
Nov 10 18:42:30 <msd18> as well as a dma tar file and uma tar file
Nov 10 18:42:35 <msd18> hmmm
Nov 10 18:46:11 <msd18> where within the files will i find the drivers needed
Nov 10 18:47:36 <Loudergood> that's a good question
Nov 10 18:48:28 <msd18> this is a pain but is worth it
Nov 10 18:48:36 <msd18> to port ubuntu to palm pixi would be amazing
Nov 10 18:48:40 <ice8lue> hm destinal seems to be gone =(
Nov 10 18:48:59 <msd18> a bit slow but still an improvement
Nov 10 18:49:07 <msd18> destinal?
Nov 10 18:49:14 <ice8lue> don't think that will work
Nov 10 18:49:14 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 18:49:26 <msd18> well ubuntu is linux
Nov 10 18:49:31 <msd18> webos is linus
Nov 10 18:49:35 <ice8lue> ya
Nov 10 18:49:40 <msd18> as long as u have the proper drivers it would work
Nov 10 18:49:45 <ice8lue> but what's your goal?
Nov 10 18:49:55 <msd18> to be able to use the palm pixi as a working pc
Nov 10 18:50:11 <msd18> frankly i dont like the interfacce ether
Nov 10 18:50:12 <msd18> xD
Nov 10 18:50:14 <ice8lue> you already can load a debian chroot, to use 'normal' apps
Nov 10 18:50:32 <msd18> i dont wanna use nornal apps i wanna freaking desktop
Nov 10 18:50:39 <Loudergood> and debian > ubuntu anyway :P
Nov 10 18:50:40 <msd18> not a dashboard
Nov 10 18:50:50 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 18:50:51 <msd18> xD
Nov 10 18:50:54 <rsanchez> meh desktops are for noobs that can't use terminal
Nov 10 18:50:57 <rsanchez> lol jk
Nov 10 18:51:01 <msd18> i use terminal
Nov 10 18:51:08 <ice8lue> well...try ;)
Nov 10 18:51:12 <msd18> frankly i perfer it
Nov 10 18:51:23 <Loudergood> terminal + vi + wget , what more do you need?
Nov 10 18:51:30 <msd18> but all apps on there are graphical
Nov 10 18:51:35 <msd18> lol true
Nov 10 18:51:41 <rsanchez> you could get an x server working on a pre... does that apply to pixi as well?
Nov 10 18:51:42 <ice8lue> i would need a working alsa sdl audio device =(
Nov 10 18:51:45 <msd18> how to install text base irc on the termonal
Nov 10 18:51:49 <halfhalo_T400> real men use cli for everathang
Nov 10 18:52:13 <msd18> rsanchez well yes and no
Nov 10 18:52:24 <msd18> pixi and pres drivers are different
Nov 10 18:52:33 <rsanchez> does it take too much work to port it to pixi?
Nov 10 18:52:49 <ice8lue> i think that wont make a difference
Nov 10 18:53:01 <ice8lue> u can load the chroot on both devices
Nov 10 18:53:24 <ice8lue> the problem is the x port, cuz it doesnt work under 1.4.5
Nov 10 18:53:33 <ice8lue> at least xterm doesn't
Nov 10 18:53:33 <msd18> lol ice
Nov 10 18:53:39 <msd18> thats wat im gonna fix
Nov 10 18:53:46 <msd18> by making a new kernel
Nov 10 18:53:50 <rsanchez> darn all my devices are 1.4.5
Nov 10 18:53:52 <msd18> porting the drivers over
Nov 10 18:53:55 <ice8lue> sure
Nov 10 18:54:17 <rsanchez> well all you need is x server and a window manager like xfce right?
Nov 10 18:54:20 <msd18> hence why im looking for the drivers in the file system
Nov 10 18:54:29 <msd18> basicly ya
Nov 10 18:54:33 <rsanchez> you don't need full-fledged ubuntu then
Nov 10 18:54:50 <msd18> hell if i can make backtrak linux work im set
Nov 10 18:54:51 <msd18> xD
Nov 10 18:55:04 <msd18> backtrak ftw
Nov 10 18:55:05 <Loudergood> now we find your real goal :P
Nov 10 18:55:11 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 18:55:15 <rsanchez> lol
Nov 10 18:55:18 <ice8lue> why not loading a windows embedded on that poor pixi?
Nov 10 18:55:24 <msd18> o.o
Nov 10 18:55:28 <msd18> why use winhoes
Nov 10 18:55:28 <rsanchez> I would be satisfied with a windows manager
Nov 10 18:55:34 <rsanchez> window* manager
Nov 10 18:55:36 <ice8lue> why not?
Nov 10 18:55:36 <rsanchez> not windows lol
Nov 10 18:55:38 <ice8lue> ;)
Nov 10 18:55:41 <Loudergood> sure, if they can put android on an iphone
Nov 10 18:55:43 <msd18> windows sucks balls
Nov 10 18:55:51 * halfhalo_T400 uses windows
Nov 10 18:55:57 * ice8lue too
Nov 10 18:56:01 * rsanchez too
Nov 10 18:56:05 <msd18> i want backtrak on there so i have a mobile hacking system xD
Nov 10 18:56:09 <Loudergood> yeah, my gaming habit prevents me from changing
Nov 10 18:56:13 <rsanchez> yep
Nov 10 18:56:16 <msd18> has bluetooth wifi gps
Nov 10 18:56:16 <rsanchez> all the good games on windows
Nov 10 18:56:19 <rsanchez> and pre of course
Nov 10 18:56:20 <msd18> wat more do u need
Nov 10 18:56:20 <ice8lue> and setting up win xpe is ....fun...on an embedded device
Nov 10 18:56:29 <msd18> o.o ice
Nov 10 18:56:31 <msd18> ur insane
Nov 10 18:56:47 <ice8lue> embedded systems student
Nov 10 18:56:53 <Loudergood> we've got a tablet with a stylus that has xp on it at work....ugh...
Nov 10 18:56:55 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 18:56:57 * halfhalo_T400 uses windows on his personal laptop and gaming desktop
Nov 10 18:57:08 <msd18> <<<<< hacker and needs backtrak on pixi
Nov 10 18:57:23 <Loudergood> my laptop hops back and forth between ubuntu and debian
Nov 10 18:57:23 * rsanchez uses windows on his gaming computer, linux on his developer computer
Nov 10 18:57:39 <ice8lue> rsanchez +1
Nov 10 18:57:43 * halfhalo_T400 doesn't want to deal with linux on his laptop.  He wants it to just work.
Nov 10 18:58:03 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 18:58:07 <msd18> windows is for noobs
Nov 10 18:58:08 <rsanchez> lol for my linux computer I just bought some old computer from university surplus for $60
Nov 10 18:58:19 <rsanchez> but gaming computer cost $600
Nov 10 18:58:55 * halfhalo_T400 is at the point where he has no need to run linux just for the sake of running linux, and windows is easier to setup/maintain
Nov 10 18:59:26 <rsanchez> ubuntu is really easy to setup/maintain
Nov 10 18:59:45 <rsanchez> well, unless you're trying to set it up on a pixi
Nov 10 19:00:04 * halfhalo_T400 has a mac mini for his dev computer, and a mbp for his work work computer
Nov 10 19:00:26 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 19:00:29 <msd18> guys
Nov 10 19:00:42 <msd18> image running backtrak linux on ur pixi/pre
Nov 10 19:00:45 * halfhalo_T400 has done ubuntu/debian/etc on this laptop, and it is a pain compared to windows
Nov 10 19:00:46 <msd18> wifi hacking
Nov 10 19:00:50 <msd18> bluetoooth hacking
Nov 10 19:00:52 <msd18> gps hacking
Nov 10 19:01:00 <msd18> almost untraceable
Nov 10 19:01:19 <rsanchez> yeah you sort of have to get lucky with driver support
Nov 10 19:01:21 <ice8lue> you're a real geek in hacking stuff huh?
Nov 10 19:01:26 <rsanchez> I have no sound on my linux computer
Nov 10 19:01:31 <Loudergood> but it works so well out of the box on my T60 halfhalo
Nov 10 19:01:32 <halfhalo_T400> OMG I CAN HAZ AIRCRACKS ON THE GO OMGOMGOMG IT ONLY TAKES ME A YEAR TO PROCESS THE DATAS FOR WEP!
Nov 10 19:01:32 <msd18> lol ice ya i am
Nov 10 19:01:38 <halfhalo_T400> </sarcasm>
Nov 10 19:01:43 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 19:01:52 <msd18> true u have a point
Nov 10 19:01:54 <rsanchez> just send it to the cloud
Nov 10 19:02:01 <msd18> but bluetooth is my main goal
Nov 10 19:02:01 <rsanchez> that's what webOS is supposed to do right?
Nov 10 19:02:11 <ice8lue> ^^ sounds absolutely like that
Nov 10 19:02:29 <ice8lue> untraceable...xD
Nov 10 19:02:48 <rsanchez> *almost* untraceable
Nov 10 19:03:02 <ice8lue> not even that...
Nov 10 19:03:03 <msd18> ya almost is correct still can be traced if ur in one spot to long
Nov 10 19:03:06 <msd18> but i travel
Nov 10 19:03:18 * halfhalo_T400 would find you and beat you with a stick if I caught you trying to get on my wifis
Nov 10 19:03:20 <ice8lue> network technology was one of our main topics @uni
Nov 10 19:03:22 <rsanchez> one day he'll get traced by a hot russian spy they'll engage in a hacking match fall in love have babies and live happily ever after
Nov 10 19:03:33 <ice8lue> ^^
Nov 10 19:03:39 <msd18> o.o
Nov 10 19:03:44 <msd18> ur insane
Nov 10 19:03:49 <rsanchez> lol
Nov 10 19:03:54 <halfhalo_T400> THAT IS A GIVEN
Nov 10 19:04:06 <ice8lue> anonymity and untracability is like santa claus....an idea by coka cola
Nov 10 19:04:14 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 19:04:30 <msd18> ur mom and me was an idea created by ur dad
Nov 10 19:04:58 <Loudergood> it'll be just like that movie hackers
Nov 10 19:05:30 <msd18> ya that movie is faker then fuckin fak
Nov 10 19:05:51 <ice8lue> yap, absolutely like that
Nov 10 19:06:04 <msd18> ice get lost
Nov 10 19:06:09 <Loudergood> that's why I love it so much. It's like enhancing images on CSI
Nov 10 19:06:28 <ryan[WIN]> hy
Nov 10 19:06:42 <ice8lue> ^^hi
Nov 10 19:08:10 * halfhalo_T400 slaps ubuntu to make it behave
Nov 10 19:08:55 <dtzWill> getting x to work on 1.4.5 is easy work that just needs to be done
Nov 10 19:09:06 <ice8lue> ^^ hi will
Nov 10 19:09:08 <dtzWill> getting x onto a pixi is similarly easy, if it doesn't already work.
Nov 10 19:09:23 <dtzWill> if it doesn't it's 100% b/c i don't have a pixi (yet) and just was unable to test
Nov 10 19:09:46 <msd18> do u have the files
Nov 10 19:09:52 <halfhalo_T400> putting x on a pixi is like putting a v8 in a go kart
Nov 10 19:10:10 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 19:10:18 <msd18> makes it uber fast?
Nov 10 19:10:42 <halfhalo_T400> funny as hell, but will end up in a horrific crash
Nov 10 19:10:44 <msd18> how can i ssh into my server from my pixi o.o
Nov 10 19:11:49 <halfhalo_T400> theres a terminal app in preware, but I dunno it its for pixi as well
Nov 10 19:11:58 <msd18> i have terminal already
Nov 10 19:12:10 <msd18> idk where to find the ssh app to use in the term
Nov 10 19:12:42 * halfhalo_T400 just uses openssh
Nov 10 19:13:10 <Loudergood> ...
Nov 10 19:13:39 <ice8lue> dtzWill: do you know how i can repair alsa (sdl) on my pre?
Nov 10 19:13:54 <dtzWill> msd18: install ssh from preware should do the trick. it's a combined server/client package iirc
Nov 10 19:14:28 <dtzWill> ice8lue: no idea. I haven't looked through logs yet to see what isse you're exactly talking about.... but I've had users mention that error before.
Nov 10 19:14:51 <dtzWill> frustrating really, in all cases I saw it worked from command line but not gui, and then magically fixed itself and could never further debug since at that point the user doesn't care anymore :(
Nov 10 19:15:23 * halfhalo_T400 is tempted to blame the scapegoat
Nov 10 19:16:18 <msd18> wat catagory will i find the package needed
Nov 10 19:17:05 <ice8lue> dtzWill: hmz =0/ i did already set back the root shell to sh but it didn't help
Nov 10 19:17:31 * halfhalo_T400 votes rm -rf /
Nov 10 19:17:35 <msd18> i searced iirc and openssh within preware 0 items came back
Nov 10 19:18:07 <ice8lue> msd18: wirc, openssh
Nov 10 19:18:24 <dtzWill> msd18: just search 'ssh'? o_O. pretty sure it *was* called openssh...
Nov 10 19:18:28 <dtzWill> :(
Nov 10 19:18:40 <msd18> i did search ssh
Nov 10 19:18:42 <msd18> said 0
Nov 10 19:18:48 <dtzWill> ice8lue: lol changing shell. okay so you might have done something, hmm.
Nov 10 19:18:54 <dtzWill> msd18: possible you disabled the feed? o_O
Nov 10 19:18:58 <rsanchez> do you have those feeds?
Nov 10 19:19:07 <msd18> no i have feeds updated
Nov 10 19:19:23 <msd18> downloads feed info on start
Nov 10 19:19:35 <rsanchez> you might have the preware feeds disabled
Nov 10 19:20:33 <msd18> ah holy fuck
Nov 10 19:20:39 <ice8lue> dtzWill: would stopping that alsa server (?) and starting it up from scratch help maybe?
Nov 10 19:20:40 <msd18> error when downloading feeds
Nov 10 19:20:43 * rsanchez hates that pixi- has no wifi
Nov 10 19:20:43 <msd18> T.T
Nov 10 19:20:54 <ice8lue> it hasn't?
Nov 10 19:20:56 <msd18> rofl my pixi has wifi
Nov 10 19:20:57 <msd18> :P
Nov 10 19:21:00 <dtzWill> ice8lue: not in any way that rebooting wouldn't fix, i'd think..
Nov 10 19:21:12 <ice8lue> hmz...
Nov 10 19:21:13 * rsanchez is not confident enough in his hardware skills to put wifi on his pixi
Nov 10 19:21:32 <msd18> my pixi came with wifi
Nov 10 19:21:33 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 19:21:47 <rsanchez> you should have optware and webos-internals feeds on
Nov 10 19:21:53 <msd18> <<< verizon
Nov 10 19:21:55 <rsanchez> I forgot which one has open ssh, probably optware
Nov 10 19:22:01 <ice8lue> ya
Nov 10 19:22:44 <rsanchez> so when you launch Preware, app menu > manage feeds > set optware to on
Nov 10 19:24:08 <ice8lue> OpenSSH setup: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenSSH_Install
Nov 10 19:24:22 <msd18> installin openssh
Nov 10 19:24:33 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 19:24:35 <destinal> rsanchez: thank the gods for usbnet for pixi- dev
Nov 10 19:24:42 <msd18> usbnet?
Nov 10 19:24:46 <halfhalo_T400> lol
Nov 10 19:24:47 <msd18> how does that work
Nov 10 19:24:48 <ice8lue> jhowirc: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC
Nov 10 19:24:54 <msd18> ice
Nov 10 19:25:01 <msd18> why isnt wirc released for pixi yet
Nov 10 19:25:04 <destinal> msd18: make a virtual ethernet interface over the usb connection between PC and device
Nov 10 19:25:09 <destinal> s/make/it makes/
Nov 10 19:25:09 <infobot> destinal meant: msd18: it makes a virtual ethernet interface over the usb connection between PC and device
Nov 10 19:25:16 <rsanchez> destinal: actually I'm still having trouble with usbnet
Nov 10 19:25:44 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 19:25:57 * halfhalo_T400 doesn't use usbnet
Nov 10 19:26:04 * halfhalo_T400 has a non retarted divice with wifi!
Nov 10 19:26:06 <rsanchez> pixi shows up on my wired network, but never connects
Nov 10 19:26:18 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 19:26:28 <destinal> rsanchez: did you manually assign the PC's ip?
Nov 10 19:26:37 <rsanchez> halfhalo_T400: lol learn how to spell before calling something retarded
Nov 10 19:26:51 <rsanchez> destinal: with ifconfig, but still having trouble
Nov 10 19:27:01 <rsanchez> wait, the PC's ip or the Pixi's ip?
Nov 10 19:27:02 <msd18> i applyed the 3g throddle patch
Nov 10 19:27:02 * halfhalo_T400 is using trillian.  SPELLING DOESNT MATTER HERE
Nov 10 19:27:07 <destinal> rsanchez: the PC's
Nov 10 19:27:09 <msd18> cant spelll today
Nov 10 19:27:15 <ice8lue> dtzWill: what i just discovered in govnah, swap isn't used either. maybe there's a connection?
Nov 10 19:27:15 <rsanchez> nope
Nov 10 19:27:17 <destinal> rsanchez: the pixi should have 192.168.0.202 by default already
Nov 10 19:27:33 <rsanchez> gah, still new at usbnet
Nov 10 19:27:37 <destinal> rsanchez: you need to give the PC side 192.168.0.2 or  (192.168.0.anything-that-isn't-202)
Nov 10 19:27:46 <destinal> just like connecting eithernet, both sides need an IP address
Nov 10 19:27:46 <dtzWill> ice8lue: no idea. i'd say go through what you did and consider how that'd change things. seems like you were mucking quite a bit :).
Nov 10 19:27:53 <halfhalo_T400> crap... node script died...
Nov 10 19:28:06 <dtzWill> might be worth starting to diff important system files against stock from doctor or similar
Nov 10 19:28:08 <rsanchez> yeah sorry, never did do networking
Nov 10 19:28:08 <destinal> rsanchez: you may be spoiled because your ethernet router at home has a built-in DHCP server.  pixi, not so much (by default anyway)
Nov 10 19:28:23 <rsanchez> so how do I get that part set up?
Nov 10 19:28:39 <destinal> you don't need DHCP, just manually assign an IP address on the PC side. what OS?
Nov 10 19:28:48 <rsanchez> ubuntu
Nov 10 19:29:06 <destinal> a temp solution is to just ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.1  or something
Nov 10 19:29:07 <ice8lue> well...what did i do... created new user, set bash as new users + root shell, install python, discover the problem, set root shell back to sh....
Nov 10 19:29:20 <destinal> then you should be able to ping the pixi
Nov 10 19:29:56 <dtzWill> ice8lue: hmm. can you try invoking the chroot/jail stuff luna does by hand?
Nov 10 19:30:09 <ice8lue> did set chmod 777 /var/home/ coz the user couldnt login at the beginning but that was a problem of wrong homedir (should be /home/...)
Nov 10 19:30:24 <dtzWill> i don't remember, but it's possible it uses a different user for games but I don't remember tbh.
Nov 10 19:30:24 <ice8lue> if u tell me how to do so^^
Nov 10 19:30:46 <destinal> ice8lue: on a pre or pixi it should be /var/home
Nov 10 19:30:59 <ice8lue> really?
Nov 10 19:31:24 <ice8lue> i had it set to /var/home/ice and alwys got login errors, not being able to chdir there
Nov 10 19:31:38 <ice8lue> than i set it to /home/ice and at least that worked
Nov 10 19:31:39 <dtzWill> ice8lue: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2105&Itemid=429#RunningJail
Nov 10 19:31:52 * halfhalo_T400 forgot why he has a preware feed downloaded on his laptop...
Nov 10 19:32:00 <destinal> ice8lue: ouch
Nov 10 19:32:25 <destinal> ice8lue: /home is in / which is read only by default, how would that even work?
Nov 10 19:32:50 <ice8lue> ...well...^^
Nov 10 19:32:55 <ice8lue> it did ;)
Nov 10 19:32:56 <msd18> ok guys
Nov 10 19:33:06 <msd18> when installin open ssh client do i need to reboot
Nov 10 19:33:20 <msd18> cuse when i type in term openssh says not found
Nov 10 19:33:24 <rsanchez> destinal: well, now I can ping the pixi, but if I try ssh root@192.168.0.1, I always get connection timed out
Nov 10 19:33:26 <msd18> when i type ssh says same thing
Nov 10 19:33:55 * halfhalo_T400 totally knows why now!
Nov 10 19:34:07 <destinal> rsanchez: wait, 0.1 is the PC right?
Nov 10 19:34:17 <destinal> the pixi defaults to 0.202
Nov 10 19:34:39 <ice8lue> destinal: how can i remove the user?
Nov 10 19:35:47 <destinal> ice8lue: just try this.  rm -rf /home/ice   ; mkdir -p /var/home/ice;    ln -s /var/home/ice /home/ice     (that'll blow away your current directory, make it again in /var/home, and symlink it over
Nov 10 19:35:55 <destinal> so that it actually exists on /var/home
Nov 10 19:36:05 <destinal> but anything using it on /home/ice will still work
Nov 10 19:36:07 <rsanchez> hmm, did you mean run ifconfig on the pixi?
Nov 10 19:36:16 <destinal> rsanchez: no, never ifconfig on the pixi
Nov 10 19:36:23 <destinal> reboot it if you did :)
Nov 10 19:36:28 <rsanchez> no didn't do that
Nov 10 19:36:37 <rsanchez> I did ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.1
Nov 10 19:36:49 <destinal> on the PC side?  then why are you trying to ssh into your PC?
Nov 10 19:36:55 <destinal> since that's it's address
Nov 10 19:37:30 <rsanchez> I just copied that command you mentioned a couple of lines up
Nov 10 19:37:33 <destinal> you should definitely be able to ping 0.1 but that's your pc not the pixi
Nov 10 19:37:38 <destinal> 0.202 is pixi
Nov 10 19:37:45 * rsanchez is total networking newb
Nov 10 19:38:13 <ice8lue> destinal: kk did that. may I should change /etc/passwd to the new homedir?
Nov 10 19:38:32 <rsanchez> alright, well, ssh root@192.168.0.202 times out as well
Nov 10 19:38:51 <destinal> rsanchez: you said you ifconfig'd on the pixi earlier, right, by mistake?
Nov 10 19:39:06 <destinal> if so you would have changed it's IP address
Nov 10 19:39:51 <rsanchez> ok, ifconfig'd it back to 0.202, now I get connection refused
Nov 10 19:40:06 <destinal> ok, that just means you don't have an ssh server running
Nov 10 19:40:09 <destinal> on the pixi
Nov 10 19:40:26 <rsanchez> hmm, I thought it auto-starts
Nov 10 19:40:32 <msd18> nope
Nov 10 19:40:37 <msd18> u need to use upstart
Nov 10 19:40:42 <msd18> a program to enable it
Nov 10 19:41:36 <destinal> msd18: do you know the service name?  I use dropbear so I'm not much help
Nov 10 19:41:44 <halfhalo_T400> gogopuppetmanifest!
Nov 10 19:42:02 <msd18> no i ont sorry
Nov 10 19:42:39 <msd18> ok guys
Nov 10 19:42:46 <msd18> i downloaded openssh client
Nov 10 19:42:48 <msd18> how to run it now
Nov 10 19:42:52 <msd18> in terminal
Nov 10 19:45:30 * msd18 looks around for someone with an answer
Nov 10 19:45:51 <ice8lue> destinal: oh, I remember another thing, i changed the hostname from palm-pre-device to castle, maybe thats why it can't connect the alsa server?
Nov 10 19:46:45 <destinal> I change hostnames all the time with no problems
Nov 10 19:46:57 <ice8lue> hm =/
Nov 10 19:47:09 <destinal> you may want to make sure that if palm-pre-device is in /etc/hosts that you change it there too
Nov 10 19:47:10 <msd18> destinal
Nov 10 19:47:30 <msd18> how to open the ssh client to connect to an  ssh server from the fone
Nov 10 19:47:38 <ice8lue> i did change it there, now changed it back via hostname palm-pre-device
Nov 10 19:47:40 <msd18> i downloaded openssh client already
Nov 10 19:47:58 <destinal> msd18: it's just "ssh" from a command line
Nov 10 19:48:18 <destinal> like on regular linux
Nov 10 19:48:28 <msd18> i did that
Nov 10 19:48:30 <msd18> says its not found
Nov 10 19:48:36 <msd18> but preware says its installed
Nov 10 19:48:47 <rsanchez> did you reboot?
Nov 10 19:48:51 <msd18> ya
Nov 10 19:49:23 <msd18> T.T kicks my palm pixi
Nov 10 19:51:25 <msd18> any help here me need ssh workin
Nov 10 19:54:19 <ice8lue> lol there's a command to add a user but neither deluser nor userdel work to remove it -.-
Nov 10 19:58:07 <rsanchez> I think I'm just gonna give up on ssh
Nov 10 19:58:14 <rsanchez> gonna try something else
Nov 10 19:58:31 <msd18> i need ssh on my fone
Nov 10 19:58:32 <msd18> :(
Nov 10 19:59:17 <rsanchez> I'm just gonna use novacom
Nov 10 19:59:23 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 19:59:34 <rsanchez> maybe these pages might help you?
Nov 10 19:59:40 <rsanchez> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH
Nov 10 19:59:42 <msd18> i need it cuse imma be netless soon and i need to ssh into my friends server
Nov 10 19:59:45 <rsanchez> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenSSH_Install
Nov 10 19:59:49 <msd18> thats for the server tho
Nov 10 19:59:51 <msd18> not the client
Nov 10 20:00:25 <rsanchez> you mean so that you can go to Terminal on your pixi, type ssh user@server
Nov 10 20:00:36 <ice8lue> is it enough to remove the homedir + passwd entry to delete a user?
Nov 10 20:01:00 <msd18> ya
Nov 10 20:01:05 <rsanchez> I had that setup on my Pre just by installing openssh
Nov 10 20:01:08 <rsanchez> from preware
Nov 10 20:01:17 <rsanchez> not sure about pixi though, let me try that
Nov 10 20:01:18 <msd18> i did that tho
Nov 10 20:01:33 * rsanchez wishes pre had pixi's keyboard
Nov 10 20:02:09 <msd18> rofl my pixi crashed and rebooted
Nov 10 20:02:10 <msd18> xD
Nov 10 20:02:15 <rsanchez> alright, had openssh installed, installing Terminal on pixi, rebooting...
Nov 10 20:02:22 <rsanchez> what were you doing?
Nov 10 20:02:37 <msd18> in the terminal typing ipkg and it froze and rebooted
Nov 10 20:02:38 <msd18> xD
Nov 10 20:02:45 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 20:03:12 <rsanchez> are you going to be using ssh over wifi or 3G?
Nov 10 20:03:45 <msd18> 3g
Nov 10 20:03:50 <msd18> most the time
Nov 10 20:04:40 <msd18> <<<< unlimited data
Nov 10 20:05:44 <rsanchez> I only tried it on wifi on my Pre
Nov 10 20:05:50 <rsanchez> gonna try it on pixi
Nov 10 20:06:05 <ice8lue> destinal: ok, got absolutely no sound on my pre =0(
Nov 10 20:06:11 <dtzWill> hmm well looking at that package i don't immediately see the ssh client in it
Nov 10 20:06:17 <dtzWill> sshd, but no ssh.
Nov 10 20:06:28 <dtzWill> there's the openssh-ssh, hopefully something aliases that..
Nov 10 20:06:32 <msd18> how to fix that ?
Nov 10 20:06:50 <dtzWill> ah it uses alternatives
Nov 10 20:06:54 <msd18> name
Nov 10 20:07:02 <dtzWill> msd18: "name"???
Nov 10 20:07:11 <msd18> wats the name of the app to run it
Nov 10 20:07:17 <dtzWill> msd18: run "ls /opt/bin" and see if ssh is in there
Nov 10 20:07:19 <ice8lue> hrmpf...will doctor it now =(
Nov 10 20:07:24 <dtzWill> ice8lue: sorry :(
Nov 10 20:07:37 <ice8lue> no problem...
Nov 10 20:08:05 <msd18> i see openssh-ssh
Nov 10 20:08:10 <rsanchez> try that one
Nov 10 20:08:10 <dtzWill> msd18: or just try /opt/bin/ssh
Nov 10 20:08:13 <dtzWill> and see what happens
Nov 10 20:08:29 <dtzWill> msd18: o_O. okay that should've been linked to ssh
Nov 10 20:08:34 <dtzWill> but if you ahve that then you're set
Nov 10 20:08:43 <msd18> ya seems to work
Nov 10 20:09:16 <msd18> <3's terminal over gue
Nov 10 20:09:18 <msd18> gui
Nov 10 20:09:29 <rsanchez> so you have it going now?
Nov 10 20:09:33 <msd18> mhm
Nov 10 20:09:49 <PuffTheMagic> wow
Nov 10 20:09:57 <PuffTheMagic> gue wast even close
Nov 10 20:10:00 <rsanchez> ssh'ing from phone is easy, ssh'ing to phone takes more work...
Nov 10 20:10:09 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 20:10:13 <msd18> not really
Nov 10 20:10:14 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: 'guey', better?
Nov 10 20:10:22 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 20:10:26 <msd18> rsanchez
Nov 10 20:10:34 <msd18> use webosquickinstall
Nov 10 20:10:41 <PuffTheMagic> i just meant that e is not near i
Nov 10 20:10:46 <msd18> has an ssh tool there
Nov 10 20:10:50 <PuffTheMagic> those its the same finger
Nov 10 20:10:56 <PuffTheMagic> wrong hand
Nov 10 20:11:01 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 20:11:02 <PuffTheMagic> i guess thats close
Nov 10 20:11:03 <rsanchez> using ssh over 1x is painful...
Nov 10 20:11:23 <msd18> indeed it is but i put the throddle patch on hell i cant spell fuck
Nov 10 20:11:34 <msd18> grrrr
Nov 10 20:11:44 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: yeah, just messing :)
Nov 10 20:11:46 <msd18> so i have unlimited speeds so its not capped
Nov 10 20:11:47 <rsanchez> which patch is that?
Nov 10 20:12:01 <msd18> look in webosquickinstall
Nov 10 20:12:06 <rsanchez> Unthrottle Download Manager?
Nov 10 20:12:29 * rsanchez prefers just using preware
Nov 10 20:13:02 * ice8lue didn't see the doctor screen for half a year now xD
Nov 10 20:13:10 <msd18> nope
Nov 10 20:15:29 <msd18> looking up name
Nov 10 20:16:44 <msd18> ok um ya ur correct unthrottled dl mgr
Nov 10 20:17:17 <ice8lue> dam, doc fails at 4%
Nov 10 20:17:32 <dtzWill> ice8lue: o_O. ruh-roh
Nov 10 20:18:05 <ice8lue> no good?
Nov 10 20:18:06 <msd18> o.o
Nov 10 20:18:15 <msd18> that sounds bad
Nov 10 20:18:24 <dtzWill> ice8lue: i mean... it's not a GOOD thing :)
Nov 10 20:18:34 <ice8lue> ^^
Nov 10 20:19:01 <rsanchez> ok got it installed
Nov 10 20:19:12 <ice8lue> 4% means something at booty?
Nov 10 20:19:58 <dtzWill> ice8lue: oh no idk about that i just meant that it not just magically working is unfortunate
Nov 10 20:20:05 <dtzWill> that wasn't the "you're totally screwed" ruh-roh.
Nov 10 20:20:20 <ice8lue> phew, good to hear that^^
Nov 10 20:20:32 <dtzWill> although have there actually been reports of actually messing up devices?
Nov 10 20:20:55 <dtzWill> i was given the impression with some basic skills and knowledge (and perhaps help of people on this channel) one could recover from most anythying
Nov 10 20:20:57 <rsanchez> ah, it is much more pleasant with that patch
Nov 10 20:21:04 <rsanchez> msdl18: thanks for the heads up
Nov 10 20:21:13 <msd18> np
Nov 10 20:21:18 <msd18> makes 3g faster
Nov 10 20:21:30 <msd18> since the phone comp caps it
Nov 10 20:21:36 <ice8lue> well i did connect it while restarting. did a clean restart now and will try again
Nov 10 20:21:38 <rsanchez> why?
Nov 10 20:21:50 <msd18> idk
Nov 10 20:21:54 <msd18> they dick heads
Nov 10 20:22:04 <msd18> without that patch ull be running at 16k a sec
Nov 10 20:22:05 <rsanchez> lol
Nov 10 20:22:19 <rsanchez> god that's worse than dialup
Nov 10 20:22:20 <msd18> with it ull be running at 56 / 70 k a sec
Nov 10 20:22:34 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 20:22:40 <ice8lue> looks better this time...8%
Nov 10 20:22:44 <msd18> it was it 700k i forget
Nov 10 20:22:57 <msd18> ice ur gonna boom ur phone
Nov 10 20:23:02 <msd18> its gonna brick
Nov 10 20:23:03 <msd18> xD
Nov 10 20:23:20 <rsanchez> congratulations, you actually bricked your phone
Nov 10 20:23:35 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 20:23:49 <msd18> wouldnt that be funny if he did brick his fone and it said that
Nov 10 20:24:27 <msd18> congratulations you now have a very expencive paper wieght
Nov 10 20:24:38 <dtzWill> ice8lue: gl. honestly i doubt you did anything bad--worst case we need some nova magic and you'll be back in business
Nov 10 20:25:27 <msd18> puff u there
Nov 10 20:25:32 <ice8lue> this time it's in update mode. maybe something stuck first time
Nov 10 20:25:35 <msd18> if so can u pass me some more weed
Nov 10 20:27:20 <rsanchez> any of you ever sent your phone in for repair?
Nov 10 20:27:23 <rsanchez> to palm
Nov 10 20:28:40 <rsanchez> I'm a little frustrated with their pace
Nov 10 20:29:04 <rsanchez> hopefully will have my phone back by Saturday...
Nov 10 20:31:07 <ice8lue> yes i did and was quite happy with it
Nov 10 20:32:34 <rsanchez> how long did it take you to get your phone back from the time it arrived at palm repair?
Nov 10 20:32:35 <daltonj82> anyone know how to make the palm go back to factory default..like no root.
Nov 10 20:33:02 <mikewx> run the webos doctor
Nov 10 20:33:13 <rsanchez> I had to send it in because of some random problem with the phone turning off whenever the keyboard slider closed
Nov 10 20:33:14 <ice8lue> mh i think it was about one and a half week from sending it in to having it back
Nov 10 20:33:24 <ice8lue> they replaced the whole touchscreen
Nov 10 20:33:33 <rsanchez> I don't know what they're gonna replace...
Nov 10 20:33:43 <daltonj82> webos doctor is there a linux version?
Nov 10 20:34:03 <ice8lue> the doc is a java file, it should run fine on linux
Nov 10 20:34:17 <rsanchez> I shipped it last Tuesday, it arrived at Palm on Friday, they didn't change the status to "in repair" until this Monday, and they haven't posted a status update since
Nov 10 20:34:37 <ice8lue> for me neither
Nov 10 20:34:41 <rsanchez> if it's a week and a half for roundtrip then that would be by Saturday for me
Nov 10 20:34:49 <daltonj82> ok because I have a service ticket to get a new phone my speaker isn't working
Nov 10 20:34:52 <ice8lue> it said in repair until i got it back^^
Nov 10 20:35:29 <rsanchez> could you track it when they shipped it back to you?
Nov 10 20:36:13 <ice8lue> nope
Nov 10 20:36:45 <ice8lue> but there was a problem with my postal service too....they didn't know where they had the package^^
Nov 10 20:37:33 <rsanchez> I shipped it over there with UPS and could track it all the way
Nov 10 20:37:54 <rsanchez> gah I just wanna know when I'm gonna get it back
Nov 10 20:37:58 <rsanchez> I hate using the pixi
Nov 10 20:38:05 <rsanchez> (except for the keyboard)
Nov 10 20:38:06 <ice8lue> can understand that^^
Nov 10 20:38:15 <ice8lue> why the keyboard?
Nov 10 20:38:22 <rsanchez> keyboard feels much nicer on the pixi
Nov 10 20:38:32 <ice8lue> ah....never had one^^
Nov 10 20:38:37 <rsanchez> has much better tactile response when you type the keys
Nov 10 20:38:44 <rsanchez> just feels more like a keyboard
Nov 10 20:39:26 <ice8lue> btw. is there any way to activate wifi after doctoring it? so it doesnt have to download all the apps a.s.o via 3g?
Nov 10 20:42:48 <GarthPS> Hi, I have just got my palm pre 2 and I come here to find some lights.
Nov 10 20:43:06 <GarthPS> (palm pre 2 => yeah Iam french)
Nov 10 20:43:55 <GarthPS> does someone know if for the pre2 it is different from the first one to root the device?
Nov 10 20:44:44 <ice8lue> while the pre 2 is just being sold in france atm, there's not that much information available on tha
Nov 10 20:44:45 <ice8lue> t
Nov 10 20:44:57 <ice8lue> it should be really near to the old method
Nov 10 20:45:16 <summatusmentis> have you tried the original method?
Nov 10 20:46:19 <en0x> the webos20090606 should work...
Nov 10 20:48:05 <GarthPS> summatusmentis: this one ?http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux
Nov 10 20:48:37 <rsanchez> I would try that one
Nov 10 20:48:59 <rsanchez> it's not really "rooting", but root is what Palm let's you access using their tools
Nov 10 20:50:21 <GarthPS> yeah yeah. does java is needed ? openjdk-6-jre is ok ?
Nov 10 20:52:52 <ice8lue> ya
Nov 10 20:53:17 <GarthPS> ok thx.
Nov 10 20:53:31 <GarthPS> what does WebOS Quick Install ?
Nov 10 20:53:41 <dtzWill> installs preware :P
Nov 10 20:53:42 <GarthPS> (I could search... :) )
Nov 10 20:54:00 <en0x> so u search then
Nov 10 20:54:01 <en0x> ;]
Nov 10 20:59:51 <ice8lue> yehaw, doctoring went fine but now i dont get 3g to activate -.-
Nov 10 21:00:25 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 21:00:31 <msd18> first use?
Nov 10 21:00:53 <ice8lue> ya
Nov 10 21:01:00 <msd18> hmmm
Nov 10 21:01:18 <josh> question about webos doctor. i just dl it off Ubuntu 10.10 it shows up as a .jnlp file it wont run. i have java installed on my computer
Nov 10 21:01:27 <msd18> goto phone styore reactivate fone?
Nov 10 21:01:49 * msd18 palm-
Nov 10 21:02:10 <msd18> josh jar file = java so duh
Nov 10 21:03:31 <dtzWill> josh: idk about running the jnlp offhand, but you can always download the doctor jar directly
Nov 10 21:03:37 <josh> i know that jar is java but why wont it run? did i do something wrong?
Nov 10 21:03:43 <dtzWill> and then try running that, hopefully in ubuntu that's achieved by just clicking it.
Nov 10 21:04:10 <dtzWill> seems ubuntu doesn't have file associations on jnlp?
Nov 10 21:04:20 <dtzWill> so you'll have to run 'javaws file.jnlp' or whatever
Nov 10 21:04:42 <Loudergood> I think 'java file.jnlp' works
Nov 10 21:05:03 <dtzWill> Loudergood: okay. good to know. regardless, looks like you might need to invoke it manually from the terminal for whatever reason :(
Nov 10 21:05:26 <msd18> ya
Nov 10 21:05:37 <msd18> but we forget noobs dont know terminal as well lol
Nov 10 21:06:17 <msd18> hell i remembered when i first learned lol
Nov 10 21:06:18 <dtzWill> no one forgot anything. my first suggestions was to download the jar, presumably it'll handle that better.
Nov 10 21:06:19 <josh> i dont know it ill be honest
Nov 10 21:06:30 <dtzWill> josh: no worries at all.
Nov 10 21:06:53 <msd18> lol ya im just bing a dick today lol
Nov 10 21:06:56 <dtzWill> does anyone know offhand can you just rename jnlp to jar and let the java program figure out what happened? I don't know what the formats contain offhand
Nov 10 21:07:08 <dtzWill> msd18: try to work on that O:)
Nov 10 21:07:16 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 21:07:21 <josh> i tried that dtzWill
Nov 10 21:07:24 <josh> lol
Nov 10 21:07:30 <msd18> hmmm
Nov 10 21:07:40 <dtzWill> josh: okay, fair enough. it was a desparate attempt to avoid cli.
Nov 10 21:07:51 <dtzWill> josh: you can run other jar files? (sure that's all setup correctly?)
Nov 10 21:08:00 <josh> yea
Nov 10 21:08:33 <ice8lue> dtzWill: is there any novacom trick to enable wifi on first use after doctoring?
Nov 10 21:08:45 <dtzWill> josh: then maybe just (unless someone knows how to get the jnlp working w/o command line) grab your doctor jar from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Nov 10 21:09:01 <msd18> hey
Nov 10 21:09:04 <msd18> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-run-jnlp-file-594207/
Nov 10 21:09:08 <dtzWill> ice8lue: metadoctor is your answer.
Nov 10 21:09:20 <msd18> that will fix the jnlp problem
Nov 10 21:09:23 <dtzWill> ice8lue: oh i misread. um... not sure.
Nov 10 21:09:24 <ice8lue> well yes, but that needs reflashing...
Nov 10 21:09:50 <dtzWill> lol
Nov 10 21:10:11 <dtzWill> yes you can make a file association in firefox or gnome/ubuntu to run javaws for those files. that works too :).
Nov 10 21:10:23 <dtzWill> shame it doesn't just work :).
Nov 10 21:10:41 <msd18> mhm
Nov 10 21:11:34 <dtzWill> but the .jar works too, and is super simple just burns some bandwidth.
Nov 10 21:11:38 <dtzWill> shrug :)
Nov 10 21:12:52 <josh> i wish i know terminal lol im completly new to linux. i got sick of windows
Nov 10 21:14:24 <josh> have any of u guys heard about a glitch in the pres when u plug into a headphone jack your external speaker wont turn back on?
Nov 10 21:14:43 <chrisa> A little bit of me dies every time you say something
Nov 10 21:16:29 <msd18> havnt heard of that
Nov 10 21:16:52 <josh> i called sprint they said its a common thing.
Nov 10 21:16:58 <josh> kinda weard
Nov 10 21:17:45 * dtzWill wanders off to get some food
Nov 10 21:21:38 <msd18> bring me back some food
Nov 10 21:21:54 <josh> ok i dl webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar it wont open all its doing is pulling up 3 folders
Nov 10 21:24:49 <ice8lue> cu guys
Nov 10 21:27:52 <msd18> hmm
Nov 10 21:27:58 <msd18> josh
Nov 10 21:28:06 <msd18> did u download java 6 for linux
Nov 10 21:28:10 <msd18> and install it
Nov 10 21:29:47 <josh> yes its openjdk java 6
Nov 10 21:30:20 <msd18> hmmm
Nov 10 21:30:37 <msd18> ok all i can say is use the commandline from this point out
Nov 10 21:30:41 <msd18> cuse i see no other way
Nov 10 21:30:48 <josh> wh it says file blockeden i double click
Nov 10 21:30:50 <msd18> cuse it seems ur java paths are off
Nov 10 21:31:23 <rsanchez> did you try to right-click it and choose open with...
Nov 10 21:31:44 <josh> Ubuntu Policy requires that software not marked as executable not be runnable. One of the most common ways this happens is by having a package ship a .desktop file for a MimeType which executes the target file (.EXE, .JAR, etc). This is not allowed unless the target file is already executable (or installed by a trusted software repository).
Nov 10 21:31:44 <rsanchez> i know for me it always opens .jar files as an archive
Nov 10 21:32:23 <rsanchez> ok then right-click, Properties, Permissions, then check "Allow executing this file as a program"
Nov 10 21:33:18 <josh> sweet thanks :-)
Nov 10 21:33:27 <josh> got it to open
Nov 10 21:34:34 <josh> u can really mess with the files on doctor lol like remove what u dont want
Nov 10 21:42:05 <nadav> Hello! I've got a question..hope somebody could help. I saw the tutorial on how to use squid to connect the webOS via a proxy. Is there a way to customize it so that it only starts when a certain wireless network is connected?
Nov 10 21:43:10 <rsanchez> josh: I would try not to mess with it unless you really know what you're doing
Nov 10 21:44:52 <josh> god im having problems today
Nov 10 21:44:58 <msd18> rofl
Nov 10 21:45:05 <msd18> dont brick ur fone josh
Nov 10 21:45:32 <josh> know it wont do nothing it says connect ur phone
Nov 10 21:45:39 <josh> its connected
Nov 10 21:45:41 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 21:46:38 <msd18> omg i had a good idea
Nov 10 21:46:40 <josh> know if i had windows still i would b done with this lol
Nov 10 21:46:49 <rsanchez> hmm, I'm trying to get Doom installed from the widk tutorial
Nov 10 21:46:58 <rsanchez> but it's telling me Demo is from a different game version!
Nov 10 21:47:11 <rsanchez> whenever I tap the screen I get a gunshot noise
Nov 10 21:47:25 <msd18> if i can edit the files in doctor i can install ubuntu or something and just replace the wm on it
Nov 10 21:47:25 <msd18> xD
Nov 10 21:47:34 <rsanchez> must've done some mistake compiling it or something
Nov 10 21:47:43 <msd18> lol
Nov 10 21:48:55 <PuffTheMagic> josh, go back to windows!
Nov 10 21:48:56 <josh> u cracking jokes at me?
Nov 10 21:49:12 <msd18> yes josh go back to windows ur not made for linux
Nov 10 21:49:14 <msd18> xD
Nov 10 21:49:50 <msd18> puff
Nov 10 21:50:05 <msd18> got any more magical puff :)
Nov 10 21:50:31 <msd18> puff the magic reafer
Nov 10 21:54:10 <zefyx> whats the latest clockspeed on the pixi with warthog?
Nov 10 21:55:25 <rsanchez> developing with the widk... do you need to use scratchbox before doing ./configure and make?
Nov 10 21:55:31 <rsanchez> for all apps
Nov 10 21:55:35 <rsanchez> before compiling
Nov 10 21:56:42 <msd18> widk?
Nov 10 21:56:46 <msd18> scratch box?
Nov 10 21:56:51 <msd18> explain
Nov 10 21:57:13 <rsanchez> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_DOOM_with_scratchbox2
Nov 10 21:57:19 <rsanchez> I'm following that tutoria
Nov 10 21:57:26 <rsanchez> s/tutoria/tutorial/
Nov 10 21:57:27 <infobot> rsanchez meant: I'm following that tutorial
Nov 10 22:04:42 <rsanchez> well I'll check back for the answer, gotta go
Nov 10 22:13:07 <GarthPS> I have a littel issue.. novaterm as webos quick install returns me "no device detected" and unable to find device while my pre2 is plug in dev and charge mode..
Nov 10 22:15:14 <SineOt> Aside from running the SFR doctor, Novaterm can not find a Pre2 to my knowledge.
Nov 10 22:15:25 <SineOt> You'll need the version from the 2.0 Doctor.
Nov 10 22:17:00 <GarthPS> I have already the 2.0 version of webosdoctor
Nov 10 22:17:14 <GarthPS> SineOt: I have already the 2.0 version of webosdoctor
Nov 10 22:17:35 <SineOt> have you run it and tried to restore so that it installs the 2.0 Novaterm?
Nov 10 22:19:45 <GarthPS> SineOt: sorry run what ?
Nov 10 22:19:53 <SineOt> Run the WebOS Doctor
Nov 10 22:22:10 <GarthPS> SineOt: when I run it I just can reflash my pre 2, i can't do anything else
Nov 10 22:26:14 <SineOt> It should install Novaterm when it runs the doctor and gets to the step of like, "Checking System"
Nov 10 22:27:41 <SineOt> if not, use something like 7zip to expand the doctor and dig around for the novaterm installer
Nov 10 22:29:26 <rwhitby> GarthPS: hang around, I have some questions for you once we get you connected
Nov 10 22:29:50 <rwhitby> what host OS are you using?
Nov 10 22:30:17 <GarthPS> rwhitby: kubuntu 10.10
Nov 10 22:30:47 <SineOt> rwhitby: I'm correct in assuming he needs the Novaterm from the doctor package, right? :x
Nov 10 22:30:49 <rwhitby> ok, do you have the new novacomd running from 2.0 doctor?
Nov 10 22:31:07 <rwhitby> usb pid has changed, so new usb drivers are needed
Nov 10 22:31:14 <SineOt> er, novacom
Nov 10 22:31:47 <rwhitby> GarthPS: do you have a mac laptop available, just in case?
Nov 10 22:32:26 <GarthPS> rwhitby: nope :) ok where I get the right npvacom version ?
Nov 10 22:32:50 <GarthPS> I can't get it from webosdocotor
Nov 10 22:32:51 <rwhitby> GarthPS: unzip the doctor jar file
Nov 10 22:32:56 <GarthPS> ah ok
Nov 10 22:32:59 <rwhitby> it should be in the resources dir
Nov 10 22:33:53 <GarthPS> rwhitby: which name should I look for ?
Nov 10 22:34:07 <rwhitby> let me check - hang on
Nov 10 22:34:46 <GarthPS> NovacomInstaller.pkg.tar.gz ?
Nov 10 22:35:24 <rwhitby> oh, you're right - no driver for linux there
Nov 10 22:35:33 <SineOt> that's the OSX one
Nov 10 22:36:00 <rwhitby> hmm - that's a problem
Nov 10 22:36:04 <SineOt> GarthPS: does the doctor complain if you try to run it? what's it do?
Nov 10 22:36:16 <GarthPS> (for the record my current novacom installed version com from http://developer.palm.com/
Nov 10 22:36:52 <GarthPS> SineOt: well until the "next" button to reflash the phone no complain, so i did not go further
Nov 10 22:36:56 <GarthPS> :)
Nov 10 22:37:23 <SineOt> rwhitby: if it gets that far, shouldn't it have a Novacom install somewhere?
Nov 10 22:38:14 <rwhitby> GarthPS: have you run novacom before?
Nov 10 22:38:31 <GarthPS> yes
Nov 10 22:38:47 <GarthPS> :~$ novacom
Nov 10 22:38:47 <GarthPS> unable to find device
Nov 10 22:39:02 <GarthPS> idem for novaterm
Nov 10 22:39:26 <rwhitby> GarthPS: can you capture USB vendor and product ID ?
Nov 10 22:39:35 <GarthPS> yop
Nov 10 22:39:51 <GarthPS> (for the record this is  my current version of novaterm http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.4.5.465/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_1.0.56_amd64.deb)
Nov 10 22:39:51 <rwhitby> both for normal dev mode, and for vol-up recovery mode
Nov 10 22:40:06 <GarthPS> vol-up ??
Nov 10 22:40:23 <rwhitby> volume up held while power on
Nov 10 22:40:27 <SineOt> when turning the phone on, hold volume up
Nov 10 22:40:35 <SineOt> it boots into a recovery mode, displaying a giant USB logo
Nov 10 22:40:47 <rwhitby> GarthPS: are you comfortable compiling stuff?
Nov 10 22:40:56 <GarthPS> ok so here is with dev mod => ID 0830:8042 Palm, Inc.
Nov 10 22:41:03 <GarthPS> rwhitby: yop :)
Nov 10 22:41:13 <rwhitby> do you have a Pre too?
Nov 10 22:41:14 <GarthPS> but perhaps not this night :p want to sleep
Nov 10 22:41:25 <GarthPS> nop only a Pre2
Nov 10 22:41:46 <rwhitby> git.webos-internals.org - precom-utils
Nov 10 22:42:05 <rwhitby> compiling that might give you novacom
Nov 10 22:42:17 <GarthPS> just a interogation, on my pre2 when I enable the dev mod it does not propte me to reboot .. an good update ?
Nov 10 22:42:20 <rwhitby> then you could bootstrap Preware
Nov 10 22:42:39 <rwhitby> yes, I've heard that
Nov 10 22:42:51 <rwhitby> good to have it confirmed
Nov 10 22:43:30 <rwhitby> Looks like you're the first to attempt to connect to a Pre2 from Linux
Nov 10 22:44:13 <GarthPS> rwhitby: someone else from another host type ?
Nov 10 22:44:45 <rwhitby> yes, windows and mac have new drivers in the doctor
Nov 10 22:45:09 <GarthPS> rwhitby: ok, how long do I need to old vol-up and power ?
Nov 10 22:45:14 <GarthPS> (together ?)
Nov 10 22:45:32 <rwhitby> shut down device, hold vol-up, power on
Nov 10 22:46:33 <rwhitby> if that ID hasn't changed, there is another way
Nov 10 22:46:55 <GarthPS> rwhitby: changed! =>
Nov 10 22:47:01 <GarthPS> ID 0830:8041 Palm, Inc.
Nov 10 22:47:39 <rwhitby> changed from Pre as well
Nov 10 22:48:08 <GarthPS> rwhitby: normal, at least :)
Nov 10 22:48:16 <rwhitby> Looks like precom-utils, or a windows or mac are your only options
Nov 10 22:48:53 <GarthPS> rwhitby: ok so what is it precom-util? wher does it come from ? who did it ?
Nov 10 22:49:06 <rwhitby> see above
Nov 10 22:49:12 <rwhitby> git repo
Nov 10 22:49:41 <rwhitby> little C prog to do novacom protocol
Nov 10 22:50:58 <GarthPS> rwhitby: so som thing like this ?git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/precom-utils.git
Nov 10 22:51:33 <Addiarmadar> hey gang!
Nov 10 22:51:56 <GarthPS> nope tools/precom-progs.git ?
Nov 10 22:52:13 <rwhitby> git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/precom-progs.git
Nov 10 22:53:24 <GarthPS> rwhitby: done . just to know , it was not possible with in the jar of webosdoctor?
Nov 10 22:54:18 <rwhitby> no, the drivers are missing
Nov 10 22:54:31 <rwhitby> and the old drivers you have are for the wrong Product ID
Nov 10 22:56:03 <GarthPS> rwhitby: do I need to remove my previous installed novacom and novaterm from palm ?
Nov 10 22:56:27 <rwhitby> to run precom, yes
Nov 10 22:56:35 <rwhitby> or at least just stop the daemon
Nov 10 22:56:40 <rwhitby> no need to remove it
Nov 10 22:59:10 <GarthPS> rwhitby:  0830:8044 Palm, Inc.  means that the pre is not in dev mod right ?
Nov 10 22:59:31 <rwhitby> GarthPS: dunno - you're the first to report the new values in detail
Nov 10 23:00:05 <GarthPS> rwhitby: I let you report thenme to the right place or tell me what /where to do it
Nov 10 23:00:27 <rwhitby> they're captured in the logs here now :)
Nov 10 23:02:39 <GarthPS> rwhitby: ok. by the way root@roadrunner:/#  :p
Nov 10 23:02:54 <rwhitby> ah, you're there?
Nov 10 23:03:04 <GarthPS> rwhitby: oui
Nov 10 23:03:19 <GarthPS> just to sumup
Nov 10 23:03:37 <rwhitby> ok, on the device, wget http://get.preware.org/org.webosinternals.preware.ipk
Nov 10 23:03:39 <GarthPS> ID 0830:8044 Palm, Inc.  => normal mode
Nov 10 23:04:55 <GarthPS> ID 0830:8042 Palm, Inc. => dev mode
Nov 10 23:05:27 <GarthPS> ID 0830:8041 Palm, Inc. => vol-up mode
Nov 10 23:06:14 <rwhitby> mv org.webosinternals.preware.ipk /media/internal/
Nov 10 23:07:27 <rwhitby> luna-send -n 6 luna://com.palm.appinstaller/installNoVerify '{"subscribe":true, "target":"/media/internal/org.webosinternals.preware.ipk", "uncompressedSize":0}'
Nov 10 23:08:00 <halfhalo_> GarthPS: if you could also do a node -v and tell us the version that would be great
Nov 10 23:09:04 <GarthPS> halfhalo_: hum.. I don't know...
Nov 10 23:09:22 <GarthPS> root@roadrunner:/# node -v
Nov 10 23:09:22 <GarthPS> v0.1.102
Nov 10 23:09:32 <halfhalo_> ok, cool, thanks
Nov 10 23:09:52 <ashi_todd> ooh, exciting.
Nov 10 23:09:57 <ashi_todd> Thanks GarthPS :)
Nov 10 23:10:30 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: my pleasure :). what node -v is for ? by the way ?
Nov 10 23:10:41 <halfhalo_> node version
Nov 10 23:11:11 <GarthPS> halfhalo_: what node is ?
Nov 10 23:11:19 <rwhitby> GarthPS: version of the built-in node.js executable, which runs the javascript services
Nov 10 23:11:46 <halfhalo_> yup
Nov 10 23:12:28 <GarthPS> (my darling at phon 2"..)
Nov 10 23:12:51 <rwhitby> GarthPS: any luck installing Preware?
Nov 10 23:13:16 <rwhitby> GarthPS: also please pastebin the output from the following:
Nov 10 23:13:20 <rwhitby> cat /etc/palm-build-info
Nov 10 23:17:55 <GarthPS> rwhitby: ok sorry . I am here now. so I can't download preware.
Nov 10 23:18:29 <rwhitby> problem?
Nov 10 23:18:34 <GarthPS> what are the used interfaces for the connection to the web ? eth 1 ppp0?
Nov 10 23:18:52 <rwhitby> eth0 is wifi, ppp0 is cellular
Nov 10 23:19:38 <rwhitby> another alternative: wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap
Nov 10 23:20:43 <rwhitby> GarthPS: you can also use precom to put the file from your host
Nov 10 23:21:28 <GarthPS> rwhitby: ok so I am connected by wifi but can't ping ggogle in consol...
Nov 10 23:22:11 <rwhitby> weird, can you access the preware URL in your brower on the device?
Nov 10 23:22:49 <GarthPS> rwhitby: which url ?
Nov 10 23:22:58 <rwhitby> http://get.preware.org/org.webosinternals.preware.ipk
Nov 10 23:24:29 <GarthPS> rwhitby: yes , I even so the content
Nov 10 23:27:26 <GarthPS> rwhitby: here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/n2qqbhj1
Nov 10 23:28:46 <SineOt> How annoying.
Nov 10 23:29:10 <SineOt> Connect Pixi to car charger, then try to use my touchstone? No go!
Nov 10 23:29:54 <rwhitby> GarthPS: so command line wget doesn't work for anything?
Nov 10 23:30:07 <GarthPS> rwhitby: wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap worked!
Nov 10 23:31:36 <rwhitby> ok, so you have a preware-boostrap.sh script now?
Nov 10 23:32:27 <rwhitby> run that script
Nov 10 23:32:38 <rwhitby> please capture the output so I can check it
Nov 10 23:33:27 <GarthPS> rwhitby: just it is not preware-boostrap.sh but preware-boostrap .
Nov 10 23:33:55 <rwhitby> oh
Nov 10 23:34:00 <rwhitby> sh -x preware-bootstrap
Nov 10 23:34:46 <GarthPS> rwhitby: ./preware-bootstrap  is ok ?
Nov 10 23:35:00 <GarthPS> yes to alpha preware ?
Nov 10 23:35:16 <rwhitby> your choice
Nov 10 23:36:13 <rwhitby> I'm going to make the alpha one public today anyway
Nov 10 23:37:03 <GarthPS> rwhitby: it is enought "safe" ?
Nov 10 23:37:19 <rwhitby> yes
Nov 10 23:39:22 <GarthPS> rwhitby: root@roadrunner:/tmp# ./preware-bootstrap
Nov 10 23:39:22 <GarthPS> Starting installation...
Nov 10 23:39:22 <GarthPS> Would you like to include any alpha Preware releases for this install/update? [Y/N]  y
Nov 10 23:39:22 <GarthPS> Mounting the root file system read-write: OK
Nov 10 23:39:22 <GarthPS> Installing org.webosinternal.preware v1.4.1: OK
Nov 10 23:39:24 <GarthPS> Rescanning Luna: OK
Nov 10 23:39:26 <GarthPS> Running org.webosinternals.preware.postinst: OK
Nov 10 23:39:29 <GarthPS> Mounting the root file system read-only: OK
Nov 10 23:39:31 <GarthPS> Setup Complete!
Nov 10 23:39:33 <GarthPS> root@roadrunner:/tmp#
Nov 10 23:39:53 <rwhitby> ok, a couple of things to check
Nov 10 23:40:09 <rwhitby> if you now hit the phone application, does it start properly, or does it hang?
Nov 10 23:40:21 <rwhitby> (determining whether the rescan bug is still in webOS 2.0)
Nov 10 23:40:50 <GarthPS> rwhitby: it is fetchin feeds
Nov 10 23:40:56 <rwhitby> if you now hit the phone application, does it start properly, or does it hang?
Nov 10 23:41:01 <GarthPS> done
Nov 10 23:41:31 <GarthPS> I juste callled my voice mail
Nov 10 23:41:45 <rwhitby> ok, maybe rescan bug is fixed.  good to know.
Nov 10 23:41:54 <rwhitby> you're good to go then.
Nov 10 23:44:22 <GarthPS> rwhitby: ok. tell me If you want something else :) (I am searching a daming page on the wiki)
Nov 10 23:44:36 <GarthPS> rwhitby:  thaks for your time and share!
Nov 10 23:53:08 <GarthPS> rwhitby: jsut a question, do you know how to move the cursor to left or right into an edit line ?
Nov 10 23:53:27 <rwhitby> shift and swipe
Nov 10 23:53:42 <rwhitby> GarthPS: have you used a Pre previously?
Nov 10 23:54:03 <SineOt> isn't it option and swipe to move?
Nov 10 23:54:08 <SineOt> shift and swipe would move + select
Nov 10 23:58:16 <GarthPS> SineOt: thx!
Nov 11 00:33:53 <mdogg> morning all
Nov 11 00:34:21 <mdogg> Has anyone come across either the STK or ftp apps in 2.0?
Nov 11 00:34:58 <SineOt> STK?
Nov 11 00:35:04 <SineOt> what's that stand for
Nov 11 00:35:56 <en0x> sim toolkit
Nov 11 00:36:29 <mdogg> I haven't seen it in screenshots of the SFR Pre 2 but it is in the doctor
Nov 11 00:44:00 <PuffTheMagic> who is good with math/geom here
Nov 11 00:44:49 <mdogg> depends how simple it is
Nov 11 00:45:29 <en0x> ol
Nov 11 00:45:32 <en0x> ;]
Nov 11 00:47:24 <PuffTheMagic> http://ompldr.org/vNjRkZg/download.png
Nov 11 00:47:36 <Loudergood> yeah if we're diving into calculus I'll have issues
Nov 11 00:47:47 <PuffTheMagic> how do i find the x,y coord of where that line intersects the box
Nov 11 00:48:03 <PuffTheMagic> give i know the coords of the box
Nov 11 00:48:09 <PuffTheMagic> and the endpoints of the line
Nov 11 00:48:19 <Loudergood> find the slope of the line
Nov 11 00:48:33 <mdogg> find the EQUATION of the line in y=mx+c
Nov 11 00:48:45 <mdogg> solve for y coord of box
Nov 11 00:48:54 <mdogg> and sub y in to get x
Nov 11 00:48:56 <Loudergood> yeah what he said
Nov 11 00:49:03 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Nov 11 00:49:06 <PuffTheMagic> thanks
Nov 11 00:49:10 <PuffTheMagic> that was too easy
Nov 11 00:49:55 <mdogg> good, wouldn't want to embarass myself ;)
Nov 11 00:49:58 * PuffTheMagic feels retarded
Nov 11 00:54:39 <retry> where can I get info about the vcard exploit?
Nov 11 00:54:44 <retry> is there a patch or workaround?
Nov 11 01:01:46 <SineOt> bleh, going to need to make a trip to the sprint store soon
Nov 11 01:02:01 <SineOt> dead keyboard backlight + random shutdowns when placed on the touchstone
Nov 11 01:06:42 <destinal> wow, for some reason I never saw the vcard thing
Nov 11 01:07:46 <destinal> is that an outstanding vulnerability on 1.4.5?
Nov 11 01:08:19 <Loudergood> looks like it was fixed in 1.4.5
Nov 11 01:08:45 <en0x> wtf
Nov 11 01:08:54 <en0x> they told me i'm overqualified for a job
Nov 11 01:08:56 <en0x> wtf?!
Nov 11 01:09:17 <destinal> en0x: yeah, usually means they're worried you'll get a better job and leave them as soon as you can
Nov 11 01:09:38 <SineOt> should have just told them "what, scared I'll take your position" and then glared, evilly, for the rest of the interview
Nov 11 01:09:43 <en0x> yeah but if that was be a truth i would not apply to them lol
Nov 11 01:09:47 <Loudergood> also: we cant afford you
Nov 11 01:10:32 <mdogg> or: we hired the dumb blonde
Nov 11 01:11:15 <en0x> finding a sys admin job is not an easy thing then
Nov 11 01:11:17 <destinal> en0x: proper response is "don't worry, I'm easily pleased and not very ambitious"  ;)
Nov 11 01:11:27 <en0x> will see how many suckers will say that to me
Nov 11 01:12:05 <destinal> en0x: or dumb down your resume
Nov 11 01:12:17 <en0x> i b like... if u let me bang your daughter i won;t leave
Nov 11 01:12:17 <en0x> ;P
Nov 11 01:12:20 <SineOt> "i r gud werker"
Nov 11 01:12:52 <en0x> hehe
Nov 11 01:13:36 <SineOt> "en0x do lots good fer u compiny!"
Nov 11 01:14:06 <en0x> hehehe
Nov 11 01:14:14 <en0x> i should put in big letters
Nov 11 01:14:27 <en0x> "your daughter > this job"
Nov 11 01:24:58 <windzilla> en0x: reminds me of robery jordan, guy who was rejected from new haven conn police force for scoring too high on there intelligence test.
Nov 11 01:25:16 <windzilla> robert(sp)
Nov 11 01:32:37 <destinal> windzilla: wow I had never heard of this..  ''Bob Jordan is exactly the type of guy we would want to screen out,''  said William C. Gavitt, the deputy police chief, who interviews  candidates. ''Police work is kind of mundane. We don't deal in gunfights  every night. There's a personality that can take that.''
Nov 11 01:33:03 <destinal> so if you're too smart, you need lots of action to keep you interested?
Nov 11 01:33:30 <en0x> indeed
Nov 11 01:34:04 <destinal> first time I've heard they police specifically select for low to medium IQ.  wow.
Nov 11 01:35:55 <windzilla> on the other hand I have a friend who is a state trooper in conn, and they don't have a too smart limit, just too dumb.
Nov 11 01:36:20 <destinal> "We don't take kindly to your kind around here"
Nov 11 01:36:36 <en0x> oh
Nov 11 01:36:36 <windzilla> maybe en0x needs to apply for state trooper sys admin
Nov 11 01:36:42 <en0x> ct... dont talk to me about ct
Nov 11 01:36:45 <en0x> i hate ct
Nov 11 01:37:17 <windzilla> your over qualified for that state anyway
Nov 11 01:37:25 <en0x> windzilla: i will figure it out anyway
Nov 11 01:37:32 <en0x> i will make my cv dumber
Nov 11 01:37:43 <en0x> and i won't show them that i know a lot at interviews :P
Nov 11 01:37:59 <en0x> windzilla: they gave me 300 bucks for speeding and wanted to put me in jail
Nov 11 01:38:03 <en0x> :S
Nov 11 01:38:08 <en0x> for driving over 90mph
Nov 11 01:39:24 <windzilla> yuck!
Nov 11 01:39:33 <spy2520> virginia is worse. they fined me $400 and I went to jail. hate to jump in randomly but I had .02 to put in.
Nov 11 01:39:50 <en0x> spy2520: for speeding?
Nov 11 01:40:05 <spy2520> yes. 101 in 65.
Nov 11 01:40:05 <SineOt> hell, here you'll be going 75 in a 65 and -still- be getting passed by people in mini vans
Nov 11 01:40:06 <en0x> windzilla: good that ma does not take points from other states
Nov 11 01:40:20 <en0x> spy2520: i was doing 98 in 65
Nov 11 01:40:21 <en0x> :P
Nov 11 01:41:05 <spy2520> I never ever got pulled over in CT though.
Nov 11 01:41:32 <windzilla> hey I'm (re)starting my first foray into developing an app. I am an absolute newbie. any recs on good online tutorials for html javascript ect besides those palm offers?
Nov 11 01:41:55 <windzilla> also en0x: you in MA like me?
Nov 11 01:41:58 <en0x> i got pulled in ct, vermont, ma, ny
Nov 11 01:41:59 <destinal> windzilla: I'd ask in #webos
Nov 11 01:42:03 <en0x> windzilla: yeah :P
Nov 11 01:42:21 <en0x> get me a job at ur place :p
Nov 11 01:42:47 <windzilla> destinal: thanks, will do
Nov 11 01:44:03 <windzilla> en0x if only I knew where that will be, applying for jobs now myself, currently a student.
Nov 11 01:44:24 <en0x> oh where at?
Nov 11 01:45:15 <windzilla> UMass worcester
Nov 11 01:45:32 <en0x> why not amherst? :) better bitches there ;]
Nov 11 01:46:22 <windzilla> that was undergrad :) married and in medschool now
Nov 11 01:46:38 <en0x> oh :p
Nov 11 01:46:49 <en0x> ur life must suck ;P
Nov 11 01:50:59 <windzilla> nah, not this month, this month I get to make an EKG app for credit, and learn the fundamentals of a whole new area. anyway I should probably stop monopalizing this channel with my life story. I'll just add if anyone is headed to dev day NYC from MA and w
Nov 11 01:50:59 <windzilla> ants to carpool I have 4 seats free.
Nov 11 02:02:39 <en0x> http://i.imgur.com/EA4fk.png lol
Nov 11 02:07:10 <b-man`> en0x: LOL
Nov 11 02:20:24 <Davide-NYC> The new version of Preware was just released and there is no sign of the blacklist on category feature. Am I missing something?
Nov 11 02:24:11 <dtzWill> Davide-NYC: brighthouse just made a large donation...
Nov 11 02:24:30 <Davide-NYC> dtzWill: you're joking, right?
Nov 11 02:24:39 <dtzWill> Davide-NYC: lol very very much so.
Nov 11 02:24:55 <dtzWill> at least i think i am o_O :P
Nov 11 02:25:07 <dtzWill> sorry :(
Nov 11 02:25:25 <ashi_todd> lol
Nov 11 02:25:59 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: blacklisting has been in there for months
Nov 11 02:26:10 <Davide-NYC> not on category
Nov 11 02:26:15 <rwhitby> oh, right.
Nov 11 02:26:59 <Davide-NYC> Oil alreadt wrote the patch adn told me it was going to be included in the next release
Nov 11 02:27:00 <rwhitby> yep, that missed the 1.4.1 testing: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=summary
Nov 11 02:27:34 <Davide-NYC> can I help?
Nov 11 02:27:50 <oil> yeah, just needs to be released
Nov 11 02:27:58 <Davide-NYC> Release the beast!
Nov 11 02:29:04 <oil> lol
Nov 11 02:29:25 <oil> there is other stuff that needs releasing too
Nov 11 02:29:27 <oil> or
Nov 11 02:29:28 <oil> more testing
Nov 11 02:30:07 <halfhalo_> psh, testing
Nov 11 02:30:16 <halfhalo_> their not bugs, their features!
Nov 11 02:30:50 <Davide-NYC> can I help?
Nov 11 02:32:04 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: 1.4.2 should be in the testing feed, containing that feature.  are you running that?
Nov 11 02:32:20 <Davide-NYC> no. where do I get the testing feed?
Nov 11 02:32:39 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Nov 11 02:33:13 <Davide-NYC> beautiful thanks
Nov 11 02:33:32 <rsanchez1_> you can use novacom to transfer files between computer and device right?
Nov 11 02:34:33 <ashi_todd> I usually use webos quick install for that.
Nov 11 02:34:41 <ashi_todd> (or scp)
Nov 11 02:34:56 <SineOt> there's also novabrowser, or nova-browser
Nov 11 02:34:58 <SineOt> something like that
Nov 11 02:35:57 <SineOt> nova-browser
Nov 11 02:36:01 * rwhitby usually uses sshds
Nov 11 02:36:04 <rwhitby> sshfs that is
Nov 11 02:36:11 <rsanchez1_> i remember someone told me about novacom put to put files on device, but how do you get files from the device with novacom?
Nov 11 02:36:12 <rwhitby> or tramp in Emacs
Nov 11 02:36:18 <rwhitby> novacom get
Nov 11 02:36:24 <SineOt> all you fancy folks and your wifis...
Nov 11 02:36:24 <ashi_todd> aha
Nov 11 02:36:43 <rsanchez1_> so something like novacom get file://(path to file) > file?
Nov 11 02:36:49 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 11 02:36:54 <rsanchez1_> cool thanks
Nov 11 02:37:18 <rwhitby> look in the MetaDoctor makefile for some more sophisticated usage of novacom to grab whole filesystems
Nov 11 02:37:38 * halfhalo_ uses the power of imagination to transfer files!
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