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Nov 17 03:00:37 <halfhalo> I ate the o.  I was hungry
Nov 17 03:01:08 <b-man`> ~b-man
Nov 17 03:01:08 <infobot> [b-man] the traffic lights dude
Nov 17 03:01:11 <b-man`> LOL
Nov 17 03:06:27 <destinal> b-man`: traffic lights?
Nov 17 03:10:44 <b-man`> destinal: i'll grab the pic lol
Nov 17 03:12:11 <b-man`> http://b-man.xceleo.org/SANY1481.JPG
Nov 17 03:12:56 <b-man`> i got it off of a friend of mine who owns a sculpture studio :)
Nov 17 03:15:35 * halfhalo is playing with a cable crimper
Nov 17 03:25:54 <destinal> b-man`:  heh, cool.  you should wire it up to a microcontroller or PC or something so you can program light sequences
Nov 17 03:26:20 <destinal> but I guess you'd also have to mount the actual light fixture on something too :)
Nov 17 03:34:18 <b-man`> yeah - i was thinking of getting an arduino and a bluetooth module so i could control it from my phone :)
Nov 17 05:17:43 <phil_bw> join #webos
Nov 17 05:17:47 <phil_bw> wow I'm tired
Nov 17 05:17:55 * phil_bw finds a slash
Nov 17 05:18:01 * phil_bw join #webos
Nov 17 05:18:06 <phil_bw> bloody hell
Nov 17 05:18:46 <phil_bw> how the hell did I just write working OpenGL code in C++... I can't even join a bloody chat room...
Nov 17 05:21:47 <chronomex> heh
Nov 17 05:23:08 <phil_bw> in other news I've managed to write a 2D backend in pure OpenGL to replace SDL
Nov 17 05:23:24 <phil_bw> even loading texture data without SDL
Nov 17 05:23:36 <ashi_todd> neat
Nov 17 05:23:54 <ashi_todd> perhaps you need a break from coding then
Nov 17 05:24:06 <phil_bw> yeah... learning OpenGL is about as fun as stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork
Nov 17 05:25:48 <phil_bw> well I better get some sleep (obviously)
Nov 17 05:25:50 * phil_bw wanders off
Nov 17 10:14:03 <NuttyBunny> Help! I can't sleep and I have to wake up in 2 hours :(
Nov 17 10:14:35 * swisstomcat hand nuttybunny a hammer
Nov 17 10:15:53 * NuttyBunny takes hammer but wonders, if the blow isn't good enough, the pain won't let me sleep either :S
Nov 17 10:17:28 * NuttyBunny needs a Ramona Flowers like hammer ...  :D
Nov 17 10:49:37 <falchie> After using the Pre 2 for 24h i must say i really love this phone, but god how i miss all those patches. :)
Nov 17 10:50:02 <swisstomcat> hi falchie
Nov 17 10:50:13 <falchie> hi
Nov 17 10:50:29 <swisstomcat> i should get one too soon
Nov 17 10:50:46 <falchie> nice
Nov 17 10:50:52 <falchie> this thing is soooo fast
Nov 17 10:51:00 <swisstomcat> did you overclock your old one?
Nov 17 10:52:14 <falchie> yup
Nov 17 10:53:43 <swisstomcat> 800mhz?
Nov 17 10:54:01 <falchie> 1ghz
Nov 17 10:54:11 <swisstomcat> and the pre2 still feels faster?
Nov 17 10:54:31 <falchie> guess it's 2.0 which makes it feel faster
Nov 17 10:54:35 <falchie> more fluid
Nov 17 10:54:41 <swisstomcat> might be
Nov 17 10:55:38 <falchie> seems like it's scaling between 1ghz and 300mhz btw
Nov 17 10:55:55 <falchie> maybe the pre did that to
Nov 17 10:56:21 <falchie> not up to 1ghz obviously :P
Nov 17 10:58:53 <swisstomcat> cool
Nov 17 10:59:06 <swisstomcat> are there no patches available yet?
Nov 17 10:59:24 <falchie> preware, save/restore, govnah, jstop, luna manager and wirc seems to be running just fine btw
Nov 17 10:59:28 <falchie> 1 patch
Nov 17 11:00:05 <falchie> auto bcc for outgoing email
Nov 17 11:00:51 <falchie> unless i have to change something in preware?
Nov 17 11:01:19 <swisstomcat> not sure
Nov 17 11:02:40 <falchie> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/2.0.0/ is empty so..
Nov 17 11:03:14 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 17 11:09:26 <rwhitby> auto bcc is not a patch from webos-internals, and probably won't work on 2.0 anyway
Nov 17 11:10:24 <rwhitby> Some guy decided to put something on PreCentral and mark it as a patch.
Nov 17 11:11:55 <falchie> that explains why it didn't show up in your feed
Nov 17 11:12:09 <falchie> not that i want to use that patch anyway
Nov 17 11:14:26 <rwhitby> I'll be porting some patches during devday
Nov 17 11:15:51 <falchie> sweet!
Nov 17 11:16:16 * oil crosses fingers for pre2 handouts :)
Nov 17 11:16:50 <cryptk> rwhitby, are you planning to port them with an audience?
Nov 17 11:17:01 <cryptk> show off our patch portal a little?
Nov 17 11:18:06 <rwhitby> dunno
Nov 17 11:20:44 <swisstomcat> i doubt that they would hand out pre plus like last time?
Nov 17 11:28:09 <rwhitby> I'm hoping for Pre 2.
Nov 17 12:09:59 <acydlord_alt> I wish I could go this weekend but I lack the funding and I have my own conference to run this weekend =/
Nov 17 12:22:18 <tmzt_dg2root> hah where
Nov 17 12:30:39 <acydlord_alt> in az
Nov 17 12:47:12 <swisstomcat> yay
Nov 17 12:50:40 <NuttyBunny> . - Zombie mode :S
Nov 17 12:51:24 <NuttyBunny> hi everyone :)
Nov 17 14:01:56 <GarthPS> hi guys. if I put my pre 2 in vul-up mode to reflash it with webos doctor and webos doctor does still not detect it. this means that there version of webos doctor still does not contained new usbID from the pre2 right ? or am I missing something?
Nov 17 14:03:37 <NuttyBunny> maybe you're not running the correct novacom drivers, as if you were the previous ones that don't detect the Pre 2?
Nov 17 14:05:16 <GarthPS> NuttyBunny: yes but webos does not need external novaterm no ?
Nov 17 14:07:40 <NuttyBunny> right, it includes its own drivers, but maybe for some reason they aren't installed. I remember read somewhere, maybe in Precentral, that you could just extract the novacom driver installer, run it standalone, and get it installed
Nov 17 14:10:29 <GarthPS> NuttyBunny: hum... I just hope that they will release realy soon there SDK (and updated novacom version and webos doctor)
Nov 17 14:12:32 <NuttyBunny> Crossing my fingers also :D  But I don't think it wil  be this year, Jon said "in the next months" :(
Nov 17 14:24:32 <swisstomcat> is the doctor for the UK pre2 the same as for the SFR pre2?
Nov 17 14:30:55 <NuttyBunny> My guess is that the Doctors are different, as the SFR one is customized for that carrier, but I've been wrong many times in the past, so, only time wil tell :D
Nov 17 14:31:37 <NuttyBunny> My guess is that the Doctors are different, as the SFR one is customized for that carrier, but I've been wrong many times in the past, so, only time wil tell :D
Nov 17 14:44:06 <en0x> no need to repeat yourself
Nov 17 14:55:43 <GarthPS> NuttyBunny: who is Jon?
Nov 17 14:57:42 <NuttyBunny> GarthPS: Jon Rubinstein, head of Palm :D
Nov 17 14:58:45 <GarthPS> NuttyBunny: and when did he said that ?
Nov 17 14:58:52 * GarthPS away
Nov 17 14:59:37 <NuttyBunny> GarthPS: Yesterday, at the web 2.0 summit
Nov 17 15:20:15 <destinal-sleep> NuttyBunny: the uk pre2 will be world release, won't it?  (like the doctor we already have)
Nov 17 15:20:54 <destinal-sleep> GarthPS: You can extract the windows novacom driver from the doctor jar
Nov 17 15:21:48 <destinal-sleep> I'd think it would have installed automatically anyway but you still should be able to do it by hand
Nov 17 15:22:51 <destinal-sleep> bbl
Nov 17 15:25:12 <NuttyBunny> destinal-sleep: I don't know, I haven't read of anyone slapping their UK serial on palm.com/rom and checking if the download URL is different. The webos-internals   webos doctor versions page hasn't been updated with said info :(
Nov 17 18:31:32 <ashi_todd> lol wow, $811 u.s. + 30 shipping.  http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-2-webOS-2-0-/290500229096?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item43a329b7e8#ht_1101wt_928
Nov 17 19:21:21 <sk4jc> question for the group
Nov 17 19:21:30 <sk4jc> is there a way to monitor outgoing IP connections?
Nov 17 19:22:09 <sk4jc> I am trying to get the IP/IPs of the various aGPS servers for the carriers
Nov 17 19:24:33 <swisstomcat> hmm
Nov 17 19:24:40 <swisstomcat> did you try the usual linux commands?
Nov 17 19:25:12 <SineOt> I think so, but I don't know the command
Nov 17 19:27:28 <SineOt> I think I've used fstab on OSX, but it seems like that command doesn't exist for Linux
Nov 17 19:31:09 <SineOt> Hm, is there a build of iperf in the Preware Optware repos?
Nov 17 19:53:36 <jhojho> no
Nov 17 19:53:40 <jhojho> build it yourself
Nov 17 19:53:43 <jhojho> it works fine
Nov 17 19:54:10 <SineOt> okay. that's what I figured
Nov 17 19:54:18 * SineOt has been reading up on how to build it!
Nov 17 19:55:54 * halfhalo votes looking in the crazily named optware feed
Nov 17 19:56:46 <SineOt> I did ;p
Nov 17 20:15:41 <GarthPS> yeah hotspot mobile works at last here! (well it disconnect and reconnect every 2 minutes or so but it works)
Nov 17 20:17:39 <SineOt> I'm wondering if Skype will work on non-Verizon phones
Nov 17 20:18:06 <ashi_todd> GarthPS: using Ubuntu?
Nov 17 20:18:40 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: yes why ?
Nov 17 20:18:40 <GarthPS> kubuntu
Nov 17 20:19:05 <ashi_todd> I read up on Mobile Hotspot disconnects w/ Ubuntu and wound up rebuilding my wireless drivers,
Nov 17 20:19:10 <ashi_todd> to work around a but in Hotspot.
Nov 17 20:19:23 <ashi_todd> bug*
Nov 17 20:20:16 <ashi_todd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1454397
Nov 17 20:22:51 <Loudergood> interesting..is it in any bug trackers anywhere?
Nov 17 20:23:09 <ashi_todd> don't know
Nov 17 20:23:57 <Loudergood> hmm..
Nov 17 20:24:44 <ashi_todd> If I were a Verizon customer, I would complain to them about it.
Nov 17 20:25:10 <Loudergood> that would work about as well as complaining about the gps has..
Nov 17 20:25:18 <ashi_todd> heh true
Nov 17 20:27:26 <Loudergood> hmm..so it's mac802.11 eh.. thanks for pointing this out..I would've ran into the same problem if I ever tried to use it
Nov 17 20:27:52 <ashi_todd> np.
Nov 17 20:28:48 <Loudergood> not that I actually have a data plan....
Nov 17 20:43:46 <GarthPS> thanks for the hint about palm hotspot mobile!
Nov 17 20:43:57 <GarthPS> so did you fix it for you ?
Nov 17 20:45:24 <ashi_todd> GarthPS: yup, I get much fewer disconnects now on my Ubuntu netbook. :)
Nov 17 20:54:08 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: so I just folow  your ohiomoto posts right ?
Nov 17 20:59:54 <GarthPS> sorry .. disconnected..
Nov 17 21:02:17 <bastian> morning
Nov 17 21:02:44 <bastian> is it possible to listen to/intercept notifications made by other applications?
Nov 17 21:03:07 <bastian> i.e. monitoring notifications, like the track change of the music player?
Nov 17 21:03:35 <ashi_todd> GarthPS: I followed the instructions there and rebuilt my driver, yes.
Nov 17 21:03:37 <bastian> it uses sendToNotificationChain, but i guess that's in-app only
Nov 17 21:23:20 <bastian> app/models/status-broadcaster.js is using palm://com.palm.service.mediabroadcast/ registerBroadcaster
Nov 17 21:23:38 <bastian> and calls 'update' on it on all events
Nov 17 21:23:59 <bastian> but can't find any docs about it
Nov 17 21:25:35 <ice8lue> heyho
Nov 17 21:27:48 <ice8lue> rwhitby: congrats to your pre 2's ;)
Nov 17 21:27:48 <ice8lue> l
Nov 17 21:34:31 <McFly81> Hi. I'm relatively new as webOS Developer. For my App, I am planning to work with a SQLite Database. My Question: If I create a database and at some point decide to use another one instead (maybe a "ext:" database cause I need more space), how can I delete the old one? Do I have to do it manually or is it deletet automatically when I deinstall and reinstall my app?
Nov 17 21:43:48 <rsanchez_> hello
Nov 17 21:43:58 <ice8lue> hey
Nov 17 21:44:06 <rsanchez_> had a quick question
Nov 17 21:44:23 <rsanchez_> would having the debian chroot mounted interfere with other processes on the device?
Nov 17 21:45:23 <rsanchez_> just asking because I tried to go into USB mode, but it would go back to just charging every time
Nov 17 21:45:36 <rsanchez_> and the only thing that was odd/different was having debian mounted
Nov 17 21:46:06 <rsanchez_> also, several homebrew apps (preware, internalz, jstop) wouldn't launch after that
Nov 17 22:57:24 <SineOt> oil: while you're still here (hopefully) how/where would I work in Preware themes D:
Nov 17 22:58:20 <halfhalo> he left alreadies
Nov 17 22:58:28 <SineOt> fart
Nov 17 22:58:33 <SineOt> guess I'll figure that out on my own!
Nov 17 23:00:48 <rsanchez_> just wondering if anyone had an answer to the question I asked a while ago
Nov 17 23:01:04 <SineOt> rsanchez_: what was the question?
Nov 17 23:01:26 <rsanchez_> would having the debian chroot mounted interfere with other processes on the device?
Nov 17 23:01:44 <rsanchez_> other details posted about an hour and a half ago
Nov 17 23:02:23 <SineOt> Ah... I don't know!
Nov 17 23:03:50 <rsanchez_> actually the problem with USB mode happened to me a few times now
Nov 17 23:04:15 <rsanchez_> always had debian mounted each time, so that led me to assume it might be having debian mounted that caused that problem
Nov 17 23:06:55 <rsanchez_> gotta go see ya later
Nov 17 23:45:02 <msd18> hey guys
Nov 17 23:45:04 <msd18> i have a question
Nov 17 23:45:30 <msd18> to put ur device into usbnet so i can use the 3g as my modem plz explain how to do this
Nov 18 01:04:11 <Mark_M> Can anyone please tell me where theme packages are cached or untared?
Nov 18 01:24:43 * phil_bw wanders by
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