**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 18 02:59:58 2010
Nov 18 05:06:41 * phil_bw wanders by
Nov 18 08:24:28 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 18 14:15:17 <GarthPS> hello every one
Nov 18 14:15:58 <GarthPS> I just passt at least half an hoour with palm chat assistant because webos doctor does not recognize my pre 2 to reflash it.. soooo uselesss this chat..
Nov 18 14:17:16 <GarthPS> the guy does not event know why it does not recognize my pre 2 and he dinied that is it because webos doctor in not uptodate -ie does not include new usb ID of the pre 2)7
Nov 18 14:18:28 <GarthPS> so I f some one can help me with my first issue: I can not any longer install application to my pre 2 without a faillure of the installation. I thing I messed up with mytether.net and its installation de-installation..
Nov 18 14:18:35 <GarthPS> if some one has a clue
Nov 18 14:25:25 <webows> hi alls
Nov 18 14:25:54 <webows> just wanted to check is tehre an ipk for preware
Nov 18 14:26:24 <webows> for some reason WOQI feeds do not work at the office
Nov 18 14:29:34 <falchie> http://get.preware.org/
Nov 18 14:30:09 <ashi_todd> GarthPS: did you try the volume-up recovery mode?
Nov 18 14:30:45 <ashi_todd> power off, hold down volume up, plug into usb, and hit power button if necessary, only releasing volume up once it shows the usb symbol on the screen.
Nov 18 14:30:51 <ashi_todd> (for doctoring)
Nov 18 14:31:09 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: yeah! but still webos doctor does not detect my pre 2
Nov 18 14:31:19 <ashi_todd> hrm weird
Nov 18 14:31:37 <ashi_todd> wouldn't surprise me if mytether isn't ready for 2.0...
Nov 18 14:31:53 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: I told you I am sure that webos doctor does not iclud new usb ID
Nov 18 14:32:03 <ashi_todd> ahh
Nov 18 14:32:35 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: I think mytether is not realy the problem here. i have removed it and don't want/need it
Nov 18 14:32:51 <ashi_todd> GarthPS: but you think it caused a problem?
Nov 18 14:33:18 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: palm sdk and other tool(novacom etc) does not wrk with my pre "unable to find device"
Nov 18 14:34:13 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: yes and no. yes because since I installed/removed it via command line i can't install anything by app catalog or preware
Nov 18 14:34:57 <ashi_todd> GarthPS: have you tried adding it again?
Nov 18 14:35:11 <GarthPS> It it ended with "installation failed" a system adjustement need to be done . restart or cancel. but when I restart It is sill broken (installation failed)
Nov 18 14:35:32 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: no because the install script give me an error
Nov 18 14:36:37 <ashi_todd> GarthPS: hrmmmm ouch. Wish I had some idea there.
Nov 18 14:38:44 <ashi_todd> have you told the mytether guy so he can warn others?
Nov 18 14:40:25 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: nope
Nov 18 14:40:35 <GarthPS> dont know how to join him
Nov 18 14:44:54 <ashi_todd> GarthPS: Raja Kapur <raja.kapur@gmail.com>
Nov 18 14:45:08 <ashi_todd> is the address in the email from when I paid for that last year.
Nov 18 14:45:20 <ashi_todd> bbl
Nov 18 14:45:32 <GarthPS> ashi_todd: ok thx
Nov 18 15:12:18 <GarthPS> test
Nov 18 16:51:28 <crunsh> hello, I need a little help on the webos-internals pdk setup (compile error du to missing library), am I right here or should I ask in #webos for help
Nov 18 16:58:54 <halfhalo> crunsh: here is the right place, but most people who would know are either asleep or on their way to palms devdays
Nov 18 17:02:44 <crunsh> oh, palm devdays
Nov 18 17:02:47 <crunsh> must be fun =)
Nov 18 17:03:04 <en0x> what library is it missing?
Nov 18 17:03:14 <crunsh> i just wrote it up in paste bin
Nov 18 17:03:15 <crunsh> http://webos.pastebin.com/Ysh6zKW4
Nov 18 17:03:55 <en0x> so install libnotify and start the process again
Nov 18 17:06:46 <crunsh> ahh, didn't think of that, i'll give it a try
Nov 18 18:13:45 * ashi_todd signed up as a developer to get a discounted Pre 2... might even develop something.
Nov 18 18:29:18 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 18 18:29:28 <SineOtter> morning rwhitby
Nov 18 18:29:30 <halfhalo> morning!
Nov 18 18:29:31 <SineOtter> how was the flight?
Nov 18 18:29:56 <rwhitby> I'm still on the flight.  Somewhere between LA and NY at the moment.
Nov 18 18:30:45 <SineOtter> hah.
Nov 18 18:30:52 <SineOtter> What'd you end up flying with? Quantas?
Nov 18 18:31:06 <gkatsev> rwhitby: wifi internet on the flight? is this like your third flight?
Nov 18 18:31:32 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 18 18:31:46 * SineOtter watches the Quantas A380 fly into LAX sometimes... Looks so stupid in the air, like some giant fat slow moving thing that should be dropping out of the sky at any moment.
Nov 18 18:32:05 <rwhitby> first internet connection for the last 16 hour or so
Nov 18 18:32:49 * oil_pre is in flight right now
Nov 18 18:32:55 * rwhitby is not surprised that MyTether is not working for GarthPS, since it has a Java service.
Nov 18 18:33:37 <oil_pre> my battery is about to die though
Nov 18 18:33:50 <rwhitby> Hmm - I woke up 24h ago.
Nov 18 18:34:11 <oil_pre> good thing I have like 3 other devices with 100% batts
Nov 18 18:34:46 <oil_pre> so us dev pre 2 program seems god for wi members in the us
Nov 18 18:34:46 <gkatsev> only 3 other devices?
Nov 18 18:35:14 <oil_pre> gkatsev: yeah,my dev pre/pixi, and rwhitbys pixi
Nov 18 18:35:26 <oil_pre> and this pre
Nov 18 18:35:32 <halfhalo> lol
Nov 18 18:35:40 <SineOtter> did you get any weird looks from security packing that many phones?
Nov 18 18:36:01 <oil_pre> no
Nov 18 18:36:20 <oil_pre> thoug I did go throug security at 3am
Nov 18 18:36:33 <gkatsev> aah, I hate the TSA.
Nov 18 18:36:42 <gkatsev> btw, flywithdignity.com
Nov 18 18:36:58 <oil_pre> the porn scanner wasn't running either
Nov 18 18:37:13 <oil_pre> just metal detection
Nov 18 18:37:13 <gkatsev> were you groped instead?
Nov 18 18:37:48 <oil_pre> no
Nov 18 18:37:54 <oil_pre> just walked through
Nov 18 18:38:01 <oil_pre> beltless and shoeless
Nov 18 18:38:10 <gkatsev> but not phoneless, lol
Nov 18 18:38:31 <oil_pre> well,it was in my shoe in the bin
Nov 18 18:38:38 <SineOtter> it's sad that airports have tighter security than courthouses now
Nov 18 18:38:40 <gkatsev> heh
Nov 18 18:39:03 <gkatsev> SineOtter: the problem with this security is that it doesn't do anything extra on top of the metal detectors.
Nov 18 18:39:11 <SineOtter> I know it doesn't
Nov 18 18:39:30 <gkatsev> just radiates you and saves your picture somewhere or gets you groped
Nov 18 18:39:41 <SineOtter> I can walk into a courthouse for a trail for say, aggrivated assault, and I don't have to take off my belt or shoes :B
Nov 18 18:39:56 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 18 18:40:00 <ashi_todd> gkatsev: or both in some cases
Nov 18 18:40:26 * rwhitby tries rsync over in-flight wifi
Nov 18 18:40:36 <ashi_todd> http://www.zazzle.ca/dont_tase_my_junk_bro_tshirt-235975529320489004
Nov 18 18:40:46 <ashi_todd> oh hey rwhitby :) using gogo?
Nov 18 18:41:50 * oil_pre is
Nov 18 18:42:29 <ashi_todd> cool
Nov 18 18:42:49 <oil_pre> works pretty good
Nov 18 18:43:18 <ashi_todd> doesn't stream video very well, but great for irc, email, normal web browsing...
Nov 18 18:43:31 <oil_pre> $12 to get wifi on both my flights to nyc
Nov 18 18:43:38 <oil_pre> totally worth it
Nov 18 18:44:18 <gkatsev> how long the flight?
Nov 18 18:45:07 <oil_pre> the first one was a hour or so, this one is 3 and a half
Nov 18 18:45:30 <SineOtter> that's not that bad
Nov 18 18:46:21 <oil_pre> well it was like $10 for this fligt or 12 for 24 hours
Nov 18 18:47:01 <oil_pre> brb batt swap
Nov 18 18:54:41 <SineOtter> hey oil_pre
Nov 18 18:55:46 <oil_pre> hey, back to 100%, haha
Nov 18 18:57:05 <SineOtter> you should just get one of those energizer power to go things :p
Nov 18 18:57:28 * SineOtter has an 8000mAh portable one, it's awesome. Can even recharge a netbook.
Nov 18 18:57:40 <oil_pre> bah
Nov 18 18:57:53 <oil_pre> I have like 8 pre/pixi batts
Nov 18 18:59:57 * SineOtter has... 1 ;C
Nov 18 19:01:18 <oil_pre> I replaced my pre, then replaced the replacement
Nov 18 19:01:36 <SineOtter> as in, bought new hardware?
Nov 18 19:01:42 <oil_pre> and the package says 'dont sent anything but the phone'
Nov 18 19:01:58 <oil_pre> so I kept the backplates and batts
Nov 18 19:02:04 <oil_pre> no, throug asurion
Nov 18 19:02:04 <SineOtter> D:
Nov 18 19:02:04 <dtzWill> oil_pre: lol
Nov 18 19:02:10 <SineOtter> lame
Nov 18 19:02:29 <SineOtter> how do I get that deal since when I did it through a Sprint store, they made me keep the old battery :B
Nov 18 19:02:44 <SineOtter> and it's got like 750mAh from the original 1100mAh
Nov 18 19:03:44 <SineOtter> I've been holding off on replacing this Pixi since I don't know if I'll get new or refurb and I can live with a half dead keyboard backlight
Nov 18 19:07:59 <oil_pre> I did it throug the insurance company
Nov 18 19:08:05 <oil_pre> not to the shop
Nov 18 19:08:20 <oil_pre> they overnight replacements
Nov 18 19:08:37 <SineOtter> Did you have to pay the deductable?
Nov 18 19:09:01 <oil_pre> yes
Nov 18 19:09:09 <oil_pre> only the first time
Nov 18 19:09:14 <SineOtter> Through the shop I had to wait 4 days for them to get my replacement, which is lame. If I can get a replacement overnight... :T
Nov 18 19:09:17 <oil_pre> not for the replacement replacement
Nov 18 19:09:49 <SineOtter> why did you have to pay the deductible for the first one?
Nov 18 19:12:34 <oil_pre> idk
Nov 18 19:13:03 <oil_pre> so neil degrasse tyson is on my flight
Nov 18 19:13:55 <oil_pre> talked to him before we got on the plane, now he is in first class
Nov 18 19:14:27 <SineOtter> cool :o
Nov 18 19:14:41 <oil_pre> yeah
Nov 18 19:15:21 <oil_pre> I sat there across from him for a while trying to remember where I had seen him before, lol
Nov 18 19:15:59 <SineOtter> I talked to... Brad Garret once. Told Mariah Carrey to move. Told Kid Rock to watch his step... Oh working at Disneyland~ :V
Nov 18 19:16:29 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 18 19:21:12 <ashi_todd> heehee
Nov 18 19:21:36 <SineOtter> Brad Garret is kind of freeky tall.
Nov 18 19:22:13 <ashi_todd> I applied there once when I lived in Fullerton.
Nov 18 19:22:42 <SineOtter> I worked there for about a year. It was interesting. Very interesting.
Nov 18 19:23:09 <ashi_todd> I didn't have full availability, was going to college, so they didn't hire me.
Nov 18 19:23:43 <SineOtter> I think it's probably one of the only places in the world where you're expected to smile at everyone, help everyone, run a ride, and greet *32,300* people in one work shift. We broke 5/6 records for that ride across every Disney park. :9
Nov 18 19:23:53 <SineOtter> Tokyo Disney still held the record for most per hour.
Nov 18 19:23:59 <ashi_todd> :)
Nov 18 19:24:05 <SineOtter> Oh, and getting paid like 50 cents over minimum wage.
Nov 18 19:24:07 <ashi_todd> I want to go to that one some time.
Nov 18 19:24:21 <SineOtter> Tokyo Disney and Tokyo Disney Sea are amazing.
Nov 18 19:24:46 <SineOtter> But it's probably because they're technically owned and run by the Japanese Tourist Board or something, with Disney's help for designing rides, etc.
Nov 18 19:25:00 <SineOtter> So Disney can't cheap out on everything and half ass it.
Nov 18 19:25:06 <ashi_todd> ahh :)
Nov 18 19:26:08 <SineOtter> Disneyland here: Let's reuse like, everything!
Nov 18 19:26:09 <SineOtter> Tokyo Disney: We're building a new ride, know what it needs? FREAKING HOVERCRAFTS
Nov 18 19:26:41 <oil_pre> sounds cool
Nov 18 19:28:00 <SineOtter> yeah their Little Mermaid ride is pretty awesome. Hovercraft ride vehicles and there's like, no safety restraints on it... Since Japanese culture just doesn't have the whole concept of "let's be assholes and try to get out in the middle of the ride >8)"
Nov 18 19:28:38 <ashi_todd> :D
Nov 18 19:28:47 <ashi_todd> till some gaijin shows up and does that, lol.
Nov 18 19:28:48 <oil_pre> lol
Nov 18 19:30:02 <SineOtter> hell, the estops for our Tokyo Disney counter part are like right at hip level in really obvious, easy to get to places, and not tucked on these consoles hidden by little covers
Nov 18 19:30:17 <SineOtter> which kind of defeats the point of an emergency stop when you need to like, dig around in a thing to get to it
Nov 18 19:35:12 <rwhitby> Why is there no-one in IRC with a Pre 2 yet?
Nov 18 19:36:00 <oil_pre> cause wirc is just too awesome with stacks?
Nov 18 19:36:16 <halfhalo> lets go with that...
Nov 18 19:38:21 <mikewx> cause sprint tells me i have to choose android or verizon~
Nov 18 19:39:43 <oil_pre> bah, we won that poll too!!
Nov 18 19:41:32 <ashi_todd> anyone done the Pre2 com board swap yet? :)
Nov 18 21:27:50 <msd18> hey
Nov 18 21:27:55 <msd18> wats up guys
Nov 18 21:28:33 <msd18> i found a free ssh server and had bitchx on it and using that on my fone
Nov 18 21:34:17 <en0x> cool
Nov 18 21:34:26 <en0x> but why not to user wirc
Nov 18 21:34:35 <en0x> with is a native irc client for webos? :P
Nov 18 21:35:55 * rwhitby is wircing on a plane
Nov 18 21:38:24 <en0x> wtf u got internet on a plane?!
Nov 18 21:43:04 <ka6sox> better than snakes on a plane
Nov 18 21:45:47 <msd18> wirc isnt working for update 1.4.5 yet
Nov 18 21:48:22 <msd18> sorry bout that
Nov 18 21:48:38 <msd18> ya wirc isnt compatable on pixi with update 1.4.5
Nov 18 21:48:55 <ashi_todd> msd18: oh on pixi... i use it fine on my pre.
Nov 18 21:49:05 <msd18> ya pixi is a no go
Nov 18 21:49:11 <msd18> till webos 2
Nov 18 21:49:24 <ashi_todd> msd18: when I run irssi via ssh/terminal, I run screen first so it keeps me connected.
Nov 18 21:49:49 <msd18> hmm ok
Nov 18 21:49:54 <msd18> thanks
Nov 18 21:49:59 <ashi_todd> ever used it?
Nov 18 21:50:11 <msd18> nope im on bitchx client rght now
Nov 18 21:50:17 <ashi_todd> ctrl-a then d to disconnect, then screen -r to reconnect it
Nov 18 21:50:25 <ashi_todd> i meant screen
Nov 18 21:50:31 <msd18> shellmix.com offers free ssh
Nov 18 21:50:31 <ashi_todd> would work with bitchx too
Nov 18 21:50:38 <ashi_todd> cool
Nov 18 21:50:41 * ashi_todd uses own server
Nov 18 21:50:45 <msd18> lol
Nov 18 21:50:58 <msd18> ashi can i use ur server
Nov 18 21:51:21 <ashi_todd> why? schellmix not so good? :)
Nov 18 21:51:41 <msd18> 100mb disk space free mysql and http host
Nov 18 21:52:02 <msd18> it is but i need it for web os development
Nov 18 21:52:09 <msd18> and i cant put the sdk on it
Nov 18 21:52:16 <ashi_todd> ahh
Nov 18 21:52:48 <ashi_todd> anyone else know this msd18 person? :)
Nov 18 21:53:23 <msd18> lol i used 2 be in htc rooms
Nov 18 21:53:40 <ashi_todd> ah, i've never been there
Nov 18 21:53:40 <msd18> i was helping with andriod leo development
Nov 18 21:54:55 <ashi_todd> it is on a home connection via etheric.net... have trouble with the connection once or twice a year.
Nov 18 21:55:08 <ashi_todd> static ip, my own UPS
Nov 18 21:55:14 <msd18> oooo nice
Nov 18 21:55:21 <msd18> i used 2 run 6 servers
Nov 18 21:55:28 <msd18> 4 linux 2 windows
Nov 18 21:55:30 <ashi_todd> cool
Nov 18 21:56:08 <ashi_todd> I used to co-lo this one, but the cage I subleased the 1U space from overloaded the power and kept tripping it.
Nov 18 21:56:55 <ashi_todd> let me think it over. :)
Nov 18 21:56:59 <ashi_todd> Hostname: home - OS: Linux 2.6.24-27-generic/i686 - CPU: VIA Nehemiah, 532.000MHz - Processes: 130 - Uptime: 84 Days, 21 Hours, 13 Minutes - Load Average: 0.03 - Memory Usage: 607.52mb/970.34mb (62.61%) - Disk Usage: 494.48gb/1145.63gb (43.16%)
Nov 18 21:57:36 <ashi_todd> planning to replace at some point as it's several years old now.
Nov 18 21:57:46 <msd18> 1 tb?
Nov 18 21:57:54 <ashi_todd> yup
Nov 18 21:57:56 <msd18> 1 gig ram
Nov 18 21:58:09 <msd18> how much swap space
Nov 18 21:59:25 <en0x> 2gb:P
Nov 18 21:59:35 <msd18> hmmm ur still under doing it
Nov 18 21:59:36 <en0x> i got 6gb ram in my server at home and 10tb of space
Nov 18 21:59:37 <en0x> ;]
Nov 18 21:59:47 <ashi_todd> 474M,   44K used
Nov 18 21:59:49 <en0x> it's a file server ;D
Nov 18 21:59:52 <msd18> enox
Nov 18 22:00:00 <msd18> ashi
Nov 18 22:00:08 <msd18> ur swap space is 2 low
Nov 18 22:00:32 <ashi_todd> i'll fix it when i rebuild :)
Nov 18 22:00:56 <msd18> with 1 gig ram and 1 tb hard disk u should at least use 3 gig swap
Nov 18 22:01:07 <ashi_todd> thanks
Nov 18 22:01:15 <en0x> lol
Nov 18 22:01:21 <en0x> msd18: who gave u the formula? :D
Nov 18 22:01:25 <ashi_todd> heh
Nov 18 22:01:33 <msd18> i used 2 host sservers
Nov 18 22:01:44 * halfhalo hosts 3
Nov 18 22:01:45 <ashi_todd> i do note it is barely using swap at all.
Nov 18 22:01:46 <msd18> with 1 gig of ram 3 gigs swap is perfect
Nov 18 22:02:12 <en0x> swap should be twice as much as ram
Nov 18 22:02:14 <en0x> no need for more
Nov 18 22:03:12 <ashi_todd> bbl
Nov 18 22:04:20 <destinal> hmm, wonder why he didn't just run the irc client on his device instead  (irssi works IIRC)
Nov 18 22:04:41 <halfhalo> because... he's weird?
Nov 18 22:05:32 <msd18> FFS
Nov 18 22:05:42 <msd18> lol
Nov 18 22:05:58 <destinal> msd18:  why not just install optware on your pixi and then ipkg-opt install irssi  ?
Nov 18 22:06:14 <destinal> then you could run your IRC client from the device itself
Nov 18 22:06:17 <msd18> ooo thats an idea
Nov 18 22:06:21 <msd18> lol
Nov 18 22:06:34 <msd18> didnt know that existed
Nov 18 22:06:45 <msd18> is there a  gcc for the pixi as well
Nov 18 22:07:28 <msd18> brb
Nov 18 22:08:06 <destinal> msd18: I suppose in optware but I wouldn't recommend it on that tiny device, just cross-compile..
Nov 18 22:08:15 <msd18> lol
Nov 18 22:08:17 <msd18> hey
Nov 18 22:08:31 <msd18> i used ipkg-opt install irssi and says cant be found
Nov 18 22:08:41 <msd18> well the package
Nov 18 22:09:19 <msd18> o.o
Nov 18 22:09:52 <destinal> msd18:  works fine on my pre but I admit I've never tried on a pixi
Nov 18 22:09:58 <msd18> hmm
Nov 18 22:10:36 <destinal> ipkg-opt is all one word, right?  since ipkg-opt is different than ipkg
Nov 18 22:10:40 <msd18> ya
Nov 18 22:10:51 <msd18> i used ipkg-opt b4
Nov 18 22:11:09 <msd18> its just telling me the package irssi cant be found
Nov 18 22:12:49 <destinal> you might try it again after doing an  ipkg-opt update  to grab a new package list
Nov 18 22:15:16 <msd18> -.- it gets a bit way in up dating then says http 404 found on one of the feeds and says update failed
Nov 18 22:16:40 <msd18> ill brb guys
Nov 18 22:35:55 <msd18> hey im bak
Nov 18 22:36:25 <msd18> ashi u still here
Nov 18 22:39:20 <msd18> hmm
Nov 18 22:48:36 <msd18> im bored
Nov 18 22:49:19 <hemna> anyone crosscompiled tsocks for webos yet?
Nov 18 22:49:32 <hemna> trying to get VirtualBox running from behind my corp f/w
Nov 18 22:49:49 <hemna> tsocks VirtualBox doesn't seem to work, so I figured I'd have to tsocks LunaSysMgr
Nov 18 22:55:38 <ashi_todd> msd18: hi
Nov 18 22:57:58 <destinal> hemna: I haven't, but that looks handy.  I'll try it...
Nov 18 22:58:05 <Bman> Hi guys
Nov 18 22:58:28 <Bman> My Pre has gone into a crazy reboot loops and i tried everything and nothing is working
Nov 18 22:58:34 <Bman> anyone have any idea?
Nov 18 22:58:37 <hemna> not even sure tsocks LunaSysMgr would help, but it's worth trying
Nov 18 22:59:15 <destinal> hemna:  do you have a working DNS server that can resolve outside names, on the internal network?
Nov 18 22:59:28 <hemna> yes
Nov 18 22:59:37 <destinal> since it looks like tsocks is TCP only
Nov 18 22:59:49 <destinal> k
Nov 18 23:00:34 <hemna> I'm pretty sure it shims a new bind()  via LD_PRELOAD
Nov 18 23:03:01 <Bman> hi guy, anyone has any idea, i tried all the articles i could find but nothing
Nov 18 23:03:33 <msd18> bman use the doctor app
Nov 18 23:03:43 <msd18> ashi brb
Nov 18 23:04:16 <destinal> hemna:  and you wouldn't need to crosscompile since the emulator build is x86
Nov 18 23:04:33 <hemna> ah yes that is a good point
Nov 18 23:04:42 <Bman> that's the first thing i tried
Nov 18 23:04:58 <Bman> but at 8% it just diconnects becuase of the reboot loop
Nov 18 23:05:11 <destinal> hemna:  I've had pretty good luck just compiling stuff in ubuntu and copying it over though it may work less well with the new ubuntu if library versions have changed :)
Nov 18 23:05:32 <hemna> I'll try copying over my ubuntu tsocks bin and see what happens
Nov 18 23:05:36 <Bman> i tried the article here as it was the closest thingi could find but still kept on rebooting: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover
Nov 18 23:06:59 <msd18> dunno bro
Nov 18 23:07:16 <Bman> totally sucks, but thanks bro
Nov 18 23:07:50 <Bman> i contacted support but they said i have to send it to them but i'm currently outside the US
Nov 18 23:07:57 <Loudergood> it reboots even when you get it to show the usb picture?
Nov 18 23:07:58 <ashi_todd> msd18: bbiab
Nov 18 23:08:20 <Bman> at that point it stays
Nov 18 23:08:33 <Bman> that's the only way i can even get a chance to run the doctor
Nov 18 23:08:52 <Loudergood> wow.
Nov 18 23:09:17 <Bman> yeah, never seen anything like this
Nov 18 23:10:02 <hemna> ok tsocks wget http:// from the emulator works
Nov 18 23:10:07 <hemna> now to shim LunaSysMgr
Nov 18 23:10:25 <destinal> hemna:  yeah if you  "stop LunaSysMgr"  you can run it fg as root
Nov 18 23:10:49 <destinal> I'm guessing you knew that but just in case
Nov 18 23:11:00 <hemna> :)
Nov 18 23:11:06 <hemna> I modified the upstart script though
Nov 18 23:11:37 <msd18> kk ashi
Nov 18 23:11:55 <destinal> Bman: wait, you doctored it and it still reboots?
Nov 18 23:12:33 <msd18> dest he tryed to doctor it but rebooted during
Nov 18 23:12:55 <Bman> i wish, the doctor process stops when it reaches 8%, at 4% it shows the Palm logo and then at 8% it goes into the reboot cycle that the doctor things i disconected the phone
Nov 18 23:13:29 <destinal> Bman: have you tried manually booting the installer image as the Last Resort recovery page discusses?
Nov 18 23:14:04 <destinal> Bman: also is anything modified on this thing around the time this started?
Nov 18 23:14:10 <hemna> destinal, bingo!
Nov 18 23:14:16 <hemna> tsocks on LunaSysMgr worked
Nov 18 23:14:26 <Bman> when i went through that article it required linux and i have only windows
Nov 18 23:14:58 <destinal> hemna:  nice.  I think you may be the first to have a socksified webos UI  :)
Nov 18 23:15:09 <Bman> huh?
Nov 18 23:15:32 <hemna> :)   such a pain to not have networking....I was motivated
Nov 18 23:15:35 <destinal> hemna:  you may want to put that on the wiki
Nov 18 23:15:44 <hemna> hmm yah good idea
Nov 18 23:15:47 <hemna> have a spot in mind?
Nov 18 23:16:02 <destinal> heh, haven't a clue
Nov 18 23:16:05 <Bman> this is exactly what happened, i got out of the airport, made a couple of calls, sitting in the car it slipped out of my pocket to the floor and i just to the crazy reboot issue
Nov 18 23:16:27 <destinal> Bman:  ouch, yeah, it definitely sounds like hardware damage.
Nov 18 23:17:01 <destinal> Bman: you can always try booting off the installer image and see if THAT reboots out from under you
Nov 18 23:17:17 <Bman> it was less than a foot drop onto soft carpet floor, what am i saying, it was like a few inches at most
Nov 18 23:17:30 <Bman> how can i do that from windows?
Nov 18 23:17:48 <destinal> get back to the USB logo the way you did before you ran doctor
Nov 18 23:18:05 <msd18> dest wat did hemna do
Nov 18 23:18:34 <hemna> I got the emulator's networking to work behind a corp f/w/proxy
Nov 18 23:18:47 <hemna> I can't do any outbound networking w/o going through our proxy
Nov 18 23:18:59 <hemna> so by default the emulator basically has no networking w/o this hack
Nov 18 23:19:10 <Bman> i'm at usb logo
Nov 18 23:19:13 <destinal> Bman:  next you need to extract the doctor image and find the "nova-installer-image-castle.uImage" file.  Once you've got that, you CD into that directory in a command prompt and then   novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage
Nov 18 23:22:10 <destinal> hemna: even for people with no SOCKS server at work but who can SSH over some random port to a home machine, this could be handy.   Of course, I suppose a VPN client would probably work for those people too
Nov 18 23:23:48 <destinal> Bman:  when you get that working it'll show a palm logo and should just stay there
Nov 18 23:24:02 <Bman> i can't find that file
Nov 18 23:24:30 <Bman> but i did download a file online called uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 and thought it was the same thing
Nov 18 23:24:31 <Bman> is it?
Nov 18 23:24:50 <destinal> negative
Nov 18 23:25:21 <Bman> i did a search in the extracted folder but can't find it in the extracted folder
Nov 18 23:32:08 <destinal> Bman:  it's in webOS.tar in the doctor jar
Nov 18 23:32:24 <destinal> it is NOT in the rootfs.tar.gz, FYI
Nov 18 23:32:24 <Bman> went into every folder but couldn't find it in any, i went through a process of deleting every folder i checked and couldn't find anything
Nov 18 23:34:19 <Bman> so where can i find it?  i extracted webOSDoctor.jar
Nov 18 23:34:50 <Loudergood> webosdoctorp101ewwverizonwireless.jar\resources\webOS.tar\.\
Nov 18 23:35:03 <Loudergood> that's where it is in the doctor file I have on hand
Nov 18 23:36:02 <Bman> thanks bor, searching for it now
Nov 18 23:36:20 <Bman> hahaha, found it, thanks man
Nov 18 23:36:21 <destinal> In unix, this would get it —  unzip webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar resources/webOS.tar && tar xvf resources/webOS.tar nova-installer-image-castle.uImage
Nov 18 23:36:26 <Bman> gonna try that now
Nov 18 23:37:36 <destinal> so yeah in recovery mode (USB logo)  run  novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage
Nov 18 23:37:44 <destinal> you should get a solid palm logo after a few seconds
Nov 18 23:37:52 <destinal> then you can    novacom open tty://
Nov 18 23:38:32 <Bman> i'm at palm logo now, just waiting for it to go crazy again and reboot
Nov 18 23:38:36 <Bman> so far so good
Nov 18 23:39:03 <destinal> if you do that novacom open tty://  you can get a shell on the installer system that it's currently booted into
Nov 18 23:39:22 <destinal> no real point for now, just to prove that it's working
Nov 18 23:39:45 <Bman> i'm in, i can't believe this
Nov 18 23:40:02 <Bman> so do i try to doctor it now or am i supposed to do something else before?
Nov 18 23:40:21 <destinal> well, this is actually the system that the doctor talks to to install your device
Nov 18 23:40:57 <destinal> so if it's getting this far (and stays here reliably for a while)  then something else odd is going on…
Nov 18 23:42:12 <destinal> one thing you could try is doctoring again and if it starts going into infinite reboot you could pull the kernel boot log from bootie and see what the error was
Nov 18 23:43:07 <Bman> running the webos doctor now, will see
Nov 18 23:43:11 <ashi_todd> actually, bbl :)
Nov 18 23:43:59 <destinal> Bman: also I recommend not running the doctor by doubleclicking it
Nov 18 23:44:10 <Bman> how else can i run it?
Nov 18 23:44:15 <destinal> Bman: instead, from a command-line, do  java -jar  doctorname.jar
Nov 18 23:44:26 <destinal> then you'll get the error log
Nov 18 23:44:33 <destinal> status messages, etc
Nov 18 23:47:42 <Bman> do i do it after restarting the phone in the USB logo or do it while i have th Palm logo?
Nov 18 23:47:59 <destinal> Bman:  I'd go back to recovery mode (USB logo)
Nov 18 23:51:08 <destinal> maybe running it from command line and watching the output you can get more of a clue of what's going on / where it's freaking out
Nov 18 23:51:14 <destinal> brb
Nov 18 23:52:50 <destinal> Bman: if it's not obvious, I have another idea to try from that booted installer image you had before, we should be able to at least test the flash disk.  away for a few minutes but will be back
Nov 18 23:53:35 <Bman> cool
Nov 18 23:54:14 <Bman> moment of truth, 8%
Nov 18 23:54:30 <Bman> failed
Nov 18 23:55:54 <Bman> Nov 19, 2010 1:47:29 AM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController runn erFinished
Nov 18 23:55:56 <Bman> WARNING: the device seems to have been unplugged, try again
Nov 18 23:56:12 <Bman> these are the last 2 things in the command prompt
Nov 18 23:58:41 <destinal> anything before that?
Nov 18 23:59:44 <destinal> Bman: hey, others have been here before and used the installer image to fix it
Nov 18 23:59:50 <destinal> just saw in the wiki
Nov 18 23:59:52 <destinal> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover#Doctor_disconnects_at_8.25
Nov 19 00:00:52 <destinal> (doctor disconnects at 8%)
Nov 19 00:00:59 <Bman> yeah, i had tried that before, will try it again
Nov 19 00:01:32 <destinal> well I didn't think you had gotten into the installer image before a few minutes ago when we did it?
Nov 19 00:01:59 <Bman> run novaterm how? novacom open tty://
Nov 19 00:02:12 <destinal> just do what you did before you tried doctoring just now
Nov 19 00:02:17 <destinal> get back to recovery / usb mode
Nov 19 00:02:25 <destinal> and novacom boot it
Nov 19 00:02:37 <destinal> then novacom open tty://   to get a shell again
Nov 19 00:03:04 <destinal> basically all the stuff you did just before you tried doctoring this last time around
Nov 19 00:03:53 <Bman> yeah, but once i'm at the Palm logo that is not blinking, i should lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure   after open tty://
Nov 19 00:03:56 <destinal> note that you're using novacom open tty://   instead of novaterm since the windows sdk doesn't come with novaterm,  open tty:// is the same thing
Nov 19 00:04:26 <destinal> but when you get a root@castle#   or whatever, then you run
Nov 19 00:04:27 <destinal> lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure
Nov 19 00:05:08 <destinal> ugh
Nov 19 00:05:12 <destinal> those should be two lines
Nov 19 00:05:20 <Bman> i get an error after the first line
Nov 19 00:05:22 <destinal> lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure
Nov 19 00:05:29 <destinal> then
Nov 19 00:05:30 <destinal> lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure
Nov 19 00:06:46 <Bman> ok, did both and didn't get errors, then what?
Nov 19 00:07:11 <Bman> should i do mkdosfs -f 1 -s 64 /dev/store/media
Nov 19 00:07:11 <destinal> mkdosfs -f 1 -s 64 /dev/store/media
Nov 19 00:07:18 <Bman> ok
Nov 19 00:07:47 <Bman> unable to get drive geometry, using default 4/16
Nov 19 00:07:48 <destinal> unfortunately you'll lose the contents of your corrupted USB mass storage mode "disk"
Nov 19 00:07:52 <ka6sox> 54.9V @ 1185A
Nov 19 00:07:54 <Bman> then it rebooted
Nov 19 00:08:09 <Bman> kill everything as long as i can get it to work
Nov 19 00:08:22 <destinal> it rebooted?
Nov 19 00:08:48 <Bman> seem to be back in reboot cycle now, going to usb mode
Nov 19 00:09:07 <Bman> to try to doctor again, but the way its looking is that nothing is gonna change
Nov 19 00:09:12 <destinal> not yet
Nov 19 00:09:17 <destinal> try that whole process one more time
Nov 19 00:09:22 <Bman> ok
Nov 19 00:09:55 <Bman> did the nova boot, now at palm logo
Nov 19 00:10:06 <Bman> just novatermed
Nov 19 00:10:16 <Bman> lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure
Nov 19 00:10:32 <Bman> lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure
Nov 19 00:10:52 <Bman> mkdosfs -f 1 -s 64 /dev/store/media
Nov 19 00:11:07 <Bman> saying unable to get drive geometry
Nov 19 00:11:17 <Bman> using defult 4.16
Nov 19 00:11:22 <Bman> now rebooted again
Nov 19 00:11:54 <Bman> gone into cycle again
Nov 19 00:12:21 <destinal> I suspect your flash disk may be hosed but there's one more drastic thing we can try — if we wipe out the LVM partition maybe doctor can recreate it
Nov 19 00:12:45 <Bman> i'm good with anything
Nov 19 00:14:12 <hemna> destinal, posted the page on the wiki for the proxy stuff
Nov 19 00:19:56 <destinal> hemna:  cool, thx
Nov 19 00:20:01 <hemna> np
Nov 19 00:20:08 <hemna> I'm just glad it works now
Nov 19 00:20:17 <hemna> being at work was a deadzone w/o it
Nov 19 00:23:36 <destinal> rwhitby:  ping
Nov 19 00:23:42 <Bman> i'm here
Nov 19 00:24:27 <destinal> Bman:  I know rwhitby has messed with the LVM partition more than I have, wondering if the best thing is to just overwrite with zeroes or delete the logical volumes or what have you
Nov 19 00:25:07 <Bman> no idea, but i'm willing to try anything
Nov 19 00:30:03 <destinal> Bman:  are you in a hurry?  it's probably easier to do it right the first time than having to rebuild LVM by hand if it turns out I'm wrong.  I've got a spare device here I can test the theory on (one that I have the flash disk backed up from)
Nov 19 00:31:36 <Bman> how much time are we talking about, its 2am
Nov 19 00:37:18 <sbromwich> Bman: I've done http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery before now but it really is a last ditch recovery process
Nov 19 00:37:55 <destinal> sbromwich: have you regenerated p3  / the LVM partition (either overwritten the partition or deleted the LV's from it?)
Nov 19 00:38:08 <destinal> I want something the doctor can rebuild
Nov 19 00:38:12 <sbromwich> I totally trashed the flash doing battery pulls
Nov 19 00:38:20 <sbromwich> this was beyond anything doctoring could fix
Nov 19 00:38:42 <destinal> sbromwich: I'm guessing if you had a backup of the first ~8 Megs you would have been fine
Nov 19 00:39:13 <sbromwich> I doubt it, I ended up with a hardware failure
Nov 19 00:39:27 <sbromwich> I think I hosed the USB chip
Nov 19 00:39:37 <destinal> oh, well, yeah, if you can't write to the disk at all then maybe not
Nov 19 00:39:52 <sbromwich> ended up with a new board in the phone that curiously didn't have the reboot problem I had before
Nov 19 00:40:31 <sbromwich> bootloader recovery got me back up and running first time around but after a few more battery pulls from hung kernels the USB chip wasn't particularly interested in talking to me any more
Nov 19 00:41:26 <sbromwich> I've tinkered about with the LV to resize it but that ultimately ended up in a doctoring session too
Nov 19 00:43:01 <Bman> so you think there's nothing else to try that'll be worth it?
Nov 19 00:43:29 <sbromwich> if you can still talk to it over USB it's recoverable, I think
Nov 19 00:43:39 <destinal> Bman: yeah  I think we can fix you
Nov 19 00:44:16 <sbromwich> it's a matter of running the OMAP boot procedure to invoke the (I think) ROM based boot loader
Nov 19 00:44:48 <Bman> cool, so what should i do now?
Nov 19 00:44:50 <destinal> sbromwich: he doesn't need omap boot if he's got bootie, which he does.  just needs to boot into installer image, novaterm in, and then do something to blow away partition3
Nov 19 00:45:01 <destinal> I'm trying a method now on a spare device
Nov 19 00:45:24 <sbromwich> oh, if bootie's still alive it should be fine then
Nov 19 00:45:43 <sbromwich> partition 3 is the media partition?
Nov 19 00:46:42 <sbromwich> I would check myself but I flatted my battery and it's on a wall charger...
Nov 19 00:46:45 <destinal> partition3 is the LVM partition
Nov 19 00:46:53 <destinal> media is a logical volume inside it
Nov 19 00:47:49 <sbromwich> /dev/sda1 is / and /dev/sda2 is /boot?
Nov 19 00:47:51 <Bman> ok, i'm just reading on but not understanding anything, i'll wait till someone tells me what to try
Nov 19 00:48:05 <destinal> sbromwich:  right
Nov 19 00:49:08 <destinal> Bman:  I'm just trying now what I'll have you do but I'll have to see if I get past 8%
Nov 19 00:49:09 <sbromwich> the lvm partition itself is hosed, or the dosfs partition?
Nov 19 00:50:01 <destinal> sbromwich: well he tried recovering dosfs but even writing to that slice rebooted his device so I think at least other parts of the partition are corrupted
Nov 19 00:50:32 <sbromwich> vgck on the vg?
Nov 19 00:50:55 <sbromwich> let me go dig out a usb cable so I can check myself
Nov 19 00:52:13 <Bman> ok
Nov 19 00:52:37 <sbromwich> sod... I appear to have left my usb cable at work
Nov 19 00:52:44 <sbromwich> Bman: does vgdisplay see anything?
Nov 19 00:53:35 <Bman> where should i put that?
Nov 19 00:53:41 <Bman> i'm in the USB moce
Nov 19 00:53:48 <Bman> mode
Nov 19 00:53:51 <sbromwich> you've got it booted to a command prompt over usb?
Nov 19 00:54:17 <sbromwich> novacom open tty :// etc?
Nov 19 00:54:27 <destinal> sbromwich:  ok I think I have a fix
Nov 19 00:54:34 <sbromwich> sweet
Nov 19 00:54:36 <Bman> sweeet
Nov 19 00:54:55 <destinal> I verified that purposely wiping out p3 with zeroes and then doctoring has doctor recreate the volume set and volumes
Nov 19 00:55:10 <sbromwich> bit drastic if vgck will fix it
Nov 19 00:55:27 <Bman> drastic sounds fun
Nov 19 00:55:30 <sbromwich> heh
Nov 19 00:56:09 <destinal> sbromwich: good point, you want to try vgck?
Nov 19 00:56:19 <Bman> ok, to be in novacom open tty :// i have to novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage
Nov 19 00:56:24 <Bman> shoudl i start off with that?
Nov 19 00:56:59 <destinal> Bman:  yeah you need a solid palm logo.  if you have one you can just novacom open tty://  again
Nov 19 00:57:09 <destinal> if not you have to boot back to USB logo, then novacom boot mem etc
Nov 19 00:57:44 <Bman> solid logo there, i'm in
Nov 19 00:57:52 <sbromwich> vgdisplay to make sure it's picking up something, if that fails that it's dd time, otherwise vgck is worth a try at least
Nov 19 00:57:57 <Bman> that's what i did
Nov 19 00:58:01 <sbromwich> Bman: run vgdisplay
Nov 19 00:58:19 <Bman> not found
Nov 19 00:58:52 <sbromwich> er
Nov 19 00:58:55 <destinal> sbromwich:  you'll have to give him the full command since he doesn't have linux experience
Nov 19 00:58:56 <sbromwich> lvm.static vgdisplay ?
Nov 19 00:59:13 <destinal> or at least not with LVM
Nov 19 00:59:14 <Bman> sorry, i wish i did
Nov 19 00:59:25 <Bman> i can cd, but what's the path?
Nov 19 00:59:37 <sbromwich> destinal: I'm trying to remember this through a haze of time and whisky
Nov 19 00:59:47 <Bman> hahaha
Nov 19 00:59:47 <sbromwich> Bman: just run lvm.static vgidplsay
Nov 19 00:59:48 <sbromwich> er
Nov 19 00:59:52 <sbromwich> lvm.static vgdisplay
Nov 19 01:00:14 <sbromwich> tonight, the model m keyboard is not my friend.
Nov 19 01:00:36 <Bman> gave me a buch of stuff
Nov 19 01:00:50 <Bman> file descriptor 3
Nov 19 01:00:55 <sbromwich> ok, try this:
Nov 19 01:01:02 <sbromwich> lvm.static vgdisplay | grep "VG Name"
Nov 19 01:01:21 <sbromwich> case sensitive
Nov 19 01:01:31 <Bman> store?
Nov 19 01:01:45 <sbromwich> lvm.static vgck store
Nov 19 01:02:19 <Bman> ok, what am i supposed to see then
Nov 19 01:02:40 <Bman> File descriptor 3 (socket:[961]) leaked on lvm.static invocation. Parent PID 775 : /bin/sh
Nov 19 01:03:29 <sbromwich> does it complain about anything being corrupt?
Nov 19 01:04:25 <Bman> no
Nov 19 01:04:32 <Bman> that's the message exactly how i got it
Nov 19 01:04:40 <sbromwich> ok, the VG itself is good, it's probably an LV problem
Nov 19 01:04:40 <destinal> sbromwich: mind if we try the "nuke it from orbit" approach?
Nov 19 01:04:57 <destinal> he said he doesn't care about data
Nov 19 01:04:57 <sbromwich> one more thing: lvm.static lvdisplay | grep "LV Name"
Nov 19 01:05:06 <sbromwich> oh well in that case... yeah nuke from orbit
Nov 19 01:05:15 <sbromwich> I thought there was data to save ;-)
Nov 19 01:05:25 <Bman> don't care about data at all as long as it boots up
Nov 19 01:05:45 <destinal> Bman:  ok you'll want to get this exact so you'll want to copy and paste it into your command window
Nov 19 01:05:51 <destinal> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p3 bs=1048576 count=5
Nov 19 01:06:42 <sbromwich> oh my whisky appears to have gone all transparent and tasteless, I must remedy this
Nov 19 01:06:43 <sbromwich> brb
Nov 19 01:06:57 <Bman> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p3 bs=1048576 count=5 5+0 records in 5+0 records out
Nov 19 01:07:16 <destinal> Bman:  nice.  that should have obliterated LVM partition nicely.  now
Nov 19 01:07:20 <destinal> tellbootie reboot
Nov 19 01:07:45 <Bman> it rebooted on its own
Nov 19 01:08:03 <destinal> Bman: that's not good, once again I suspect hardware damage
Nov 19 01:08:28 <destinal> or maybe the whole flash disk is somehow corrupted which I would expect to manifest differently
Nov 19 01:08:44 <destinal> Bman:  anyway try doctoring again and see what happens
Nov 19 01:09:26 <Bman> its already doing the reboot cycle, so don't think the doctor will work
Nov 19 01:09:41 <Bman> could this be a cpu problem because of overclocking?
Nov 19 01:09:46 <destinal> Bman: I'd expect a reboot cycle no matter what at this point
Nov 19 01:10:03 <destinal> go back to USB recovery mode
Nov 19 01:10:18 <Bman> i was using the uberkernal and screenstate 500/800 , which i've used on another phone forever and was pretty stable
Nov 19 01:10:22 <destinal> there's not much OS left so a reboot cycle is totally normal
Nov 19 01:10:50 <destinal> USB recovery mode and doctor with   java -jar doctor.jar    etc
Nov 19 01:10:55 <Bman> ok, let me try to doctor, i'll just do the double click witht he doctor or should i do it form command
Nov 19 01:10:56 <Bman> ok
Nov 19 01:11:09 <Tibfib> Anyone know if the pre2 is similar enough to a pre to do a comm swap with  a pre minus (sprint)?
Nov 19 01:11:27 <destinal> Tibfib:  early reports suggest yes
Nov 19 01:11:31 <Tibfib> nICE!
Nov 19 01:11:38 <Tibfib> anyone tried yet?
Nov 19 01:11:39 <Tibfib> lol
Nov 19 01:12:07 <destinal> Tibfib:  that is reports say the comm boards look to be exactly the same.  YMMV but I would be surprised if they didn't work
Nov 19 01:12:18 <Bman> at 8%, will find out real soon
Nov 19 01:12:35 <Tibfib> Bman: sweet! That's what I'm going to do
Nov 19 01:12:52 <Tibfib> destinal: yay! was going to swap with a pre plus, but might as well do it with a pre2
Nov 19 01:12:55 <Bman> :( rebooted
Nov 19 01:13:01 <Bman> doctor failed
Nov 19 01:14:07 <destinal> Bman:  I think either your flash disk is physically damaged or you have corruption that goes beyond what we can fix with conventional methods
Nov 19 01:14:40 <Bman> i hate that 8%!!!!!
Nov 19 01:14:51 <destinal> it looks like just writing to partition3 causes your kernel to panic
Nov 19 01:14:51 <sbromwich> dd the whole partition?
Nov 19 01:15:21 <destinal> the technique works on mine so I know it's solid
Nov 19 01:15:45 <Bman> thanks, you've really been great, i really appreciate all the time
Nov 19 01:15:56 <destinal> sbromwich: just dd'ing 5 megs is enough for doctor to rebuild the volume group
Nov 19 01:16:17 <destinal> but the thing is his pre rebooted out from under him just writing 5 megs
Nov 19 01:16:41 <destinal> so I'm sure it's doing the same when it tries to build the new volume group or write to it
Nov 19 01:16:42 <Bman> 5 megs over usb should be so easy, but i guess its not mean to be
Nov 19 01:16:49 <Bman> i guess i have to be without a Pre for some time :(
Nov 19 01:16:55 <sbromwich> destinal: dding the whole partition will see if the flash disk itself is wonky
Nov 19 01:17:19 <sbromwich> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcbl0p3 bs=1M
Nov 19 01:17:26 <destinal> sbromwich: doesn't the reboot (which probably means a kernel panic) tell you that?
Nov 19 01:17:58 <sbromwich> not necessarily because the panic might have been after he returned to command line and the DM layer kicked in and got a bit surprised
Nov 19 01:18:53 <destinal> sbromwich: hmm, mine didn't do it but I guess that's worth a shot
Nov 19 01:19:32 <sbromwich> if it reboots during the dd (which should take a long time) it's pretty conclusive evidence the flash is shot
Nov 19 01:19:51 <destinal> Bman: if you're not headed to bed quite yet you can try:  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcbl0p3 bs=1M       and see if it will overwrite it or reboot again right away
Nov 19 01:20:22 <Bman> im in it till the end
Nov 19 01:20:35 <sbromwich> and I say this as someone who's done dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc bs=1M to recover a 40 gig drive... loooooooong time.
Nov 19 01:20:55 <Bman> ok, i'm in
Nov 19 01:21:37 <Bman> no space left on device
Nov 19 01:21:39 <destinal> if it reboots immediately we'll know either the p3 geometry in the partition table is pointing it off the disk or something, OR the disk  (or hardware to interface to it) is just fried
Nov 19 01:21:44 <sbromwich> that was suspiciously quick
Nov 19 01:22:06 <Bman> dd: writing '/dev/mmcbl0p3': No space left on device 3+0 records in 1+1 records out
Nov 19 01:22:18 <sbromwich> sorry, typo
Nov 19 01:22:37 <sbromwich> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p3 bs=1M
Nov 19 01:22:53 <sbromwich> yeah that looks better
Nov 19 01:22:59 <Bman> ok, this time its takingsome more time
Nov 19 01:23:16 <Bman> its rebooting now
Nov 19 01:23:23 <destinal> yup, that confirms it
Nov 19 01:23:31 <sbromwich> say hello to your new paperweight
Nov 19 01:23:36 <destinal> bad partition geometry or bad disk or hw
Nov 19 01:23:45 <Bman> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcbl0p3 bs=1M dd: writing '/dev/mmcbl0p3': No space left on device 3+0 records in 1+1 records out root@palm-webos-device:/# root@palm-webos-device:/# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p3 bs=1M dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p3 bs=1M
Nov 19 01:23:51 <Bman> hahahaha
Nov 19 01:24:09 <destinal> right, it didn't reply to the last command because it was busy doing it
Nov 19 01:24:28 <Bman> huh?
Nov 19 01:24:47 <sbromwich> I think when you dropped it you were unfortunate enough to break a circuit trace somewhere, probably one of the ones attached to the flash chip
Nov 19 01:25:58 <destinal> what's weird is that it can read but not write but I suppose that makes sense too depending on which trace
Nov 19 01:26:04 <Bman> that's crazy, it was nothing, from the seat to the floor or the car which is carpeted, something was waiting to go wrong there
Nov 19 01:26:53 <sbromwich> yeah, probably a dry solder joint or something
Nov 19 01:27:12 <Bman> so questions if Palm sees this device, won't they wonder what the hell happened to it with all the things i just did?
Nov 19 01:27:47 <destinal> Bman: doubtful, trying to doctor it in the state it's in would have done about the same thing
Nov 19 01:28:13 <destinal> anyway I've never heard them give anyone a hard time for the condition of filesystems
Nov 19 01:28:23 <Bman> haha, nothing that canbe done now, so let them say what they want
Nov 19 01:28:35 <Bman> i was worried because of the overclocking
Nov 19 01:28:40 <sbromwich> Palm are pretty good about taking back stuff like that, they took back mine which was hosed after numerous battery pulls without complaint
Nov 19 01:28:50 <sbromwich> overclocking isn't the problem here
Nov 19 01:28:52 <Bman> but i suppose there isn't much of a trace of that either hahahahaha
Nov 19 01:29:03 <sbromwich> not a whole lot
Nov 19 01:29:24 <sbromwich> if you're really paranoid boot up in recovery mode again and do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M
Nov 19 01:29:32 <sbromwich> you'll have a complete paperweight then
Nov 19 01:29:36 <Bman> hahahaha, well its a paperweight for the next 30 days until i get back to the states
Nov 19 01:29:55 <Bman> cool, i'll do that
Nov 19 01:31:24 <Bman> nope, don't think that's needed, not even letting me in this time
Nov 19 01:32:17 <destinal> Bman:  it should still let you in
Nov 19 01:32:35 <destinal> Bman:  nothing you did would prevent USB recovery mode, novacom boot and novaterming in
Nov 19 01:32:48 <sbromwich> unless the flash finally gave up the ghost completely
Nov 19 01:32:54 <sbromwich> or something else went pop
Nov 19 01:32:56 <Bman> ill try again
Nov 19 01:33:04 <sbromwich> or the gods are frowning in your general direction
Nov 19 01:33:12 <Bman> recovery mode
Nov 19 01:33:38 <Bman> ok i'm in
Nov 19 01:33:41 <Bman> don't know what happened last time
Nov 19 01:33:46 <Bman> here goes
Nov 19 01:34:24 <Bman> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M
Nov 19 01:34:40 <Bman> novacomd socket was closed premature novacom: unexpected EOF from server
Nov 19 01:34:47 <sbromwich> bam
Nov 19 01:34:50 <Bman> i'm guessing we have toast now :)
Nov 19 01:35:05 <sbromwich> might be worth trying a doctor just for s&g
Nov 19 01:35:07 <destinal> sbromwich:  btw never do that
Nov 19 01:35:23 <destinal> sbromwich: bootie and all tokens will be gone, now
Nov 19 01:35:29 <sbromwich> destinal: exactly
Nov 19 01:35:29 <Bman> never do what?
Nov 19 01:36:05 <destinal> well I would have backed up tokens at least
Nov 19 01:36:51 <Bman> ok, no idea what that means, but doesn't sound like good news, and since its too late, won't worry too much about it
Nov 19 01:36:54 <Bman> right?
Nov 19 01:36:57 <sbromwich> right
Nov 19 01:37:07 <sbromwich> you are now the proud owner of a paperweight
Nov 19 01:37:19 <Bman> hahahahaha
Nov 19 01:37:20 <sbromwich> properly tended to, it might possibly function as a slight handwarmer
Nov 19 01:37:24 <destinal> sbromwich: yeah, you did prove that the hardware is bad.  no reason a pre should have rebooted just writing to the raw disk
Nov 19 01:37:42 <Bman> thanks guys, its really been fun making a paperweight
Nov 19 01:37:48 <Bman> hahahaha, my first i must say
Nov 19 01:38:11 <sbromwich> and there's no evidence of anything you did on there that shouldn't be on there too :-)
Nov 19 01:38:14 <destinal> Bman:  heh, you had a paperweight to begin with, you just made it more visibly a paperweight
Nov 19 01:38:34 <sbromwich> not that I think palm would particularly care
Nov 19 01:38:37 <destinal> nothing could have fixed it after dropped
Nov 19 01:38:48 <destinal> the reboots prove it
Nov 19 01:38:52 <sbromwich> apart from possibly someone skilled in smt soldering
Nov 19 01:38:54 <destinal> on writing raw disk
Nov 19 01:38:55 <Bman> true, but it was worth the try
Nov 19 01:39:10 <sbromwich> and those are few and far between, outside the japanese housewife contingent
Nov 19 01:39:43 <Bman> thanks guys, i'm gonna hit the sack, its 3:32 here
Nov 19 01:40:00 <destinal> sbromwich: heh.  I took a class on stenciling last night and built an arduino from SMT components and tossed it in a reflow oven.  good times.
Nov 19 01:40:06 <Bman> and i'm supposed to be jet lagged which means i should have fallen asleep 7 hours ago
Nov 19 01:40:26 <sbromwich> good luck Bman :-)
Nov 19 01:40:26 <destinal> Bman:  good night.  at least nothing else could be done which can be good to know :)
Nov 19 01:40:36 <Bman> good night guys, and i really can't thank you enough, this has really been amazing
Nov 19 01:40:42 <sbromwich> destinal: I keep meaning to get an arduino... are they as fun as they look?
Nov 19 01:40:58 <sbromwich> night Bman :-)
Nov 19 01:41:23 <Bman> i'm actually really glad to know that, coz it was driving me crazy all day, now its being me. night, and thanks again
Nov 19 01:41:28 <Bman> i'm out
Nov 19 01:41:32 <destinal> sbromwich: they're quite amusing.  it's easy to get into micrrocontrollers that way too, good way to make the leap from software to hardware
Nov 19 01:41:36 <destinal> Bman: good night
Nov 19 01:42:32 <sbromwich> I haven't done embedded programming since I worked on modems and had chips to burn just to test code out on, having something like the arduino looks like far more fun
Nov 19 01:43:09 <sbromwich> and just so long as it's not a TMSc20C52 or similar I'm happy...
Nov 19 01:43:21 <sbromwich> still feeling the pain from that one all this time later.
Nov 19 01:43:55 <destinal> sbromwich: yeah, the abstractions and libraries make it easy to get to something that works fairly rapidly
Nov 19 01:44:33 <destinal> plus the AVR micros are really easy to get into and program with open source sw
Nov 19 01:45:04 <destinal> which once you have an arduino bootloader on the micro doesn't matter so much but it's cool anyway
Nov 19 01:46:07 <sbromwich> I've been toying with some home control stuff but nothing looks like it's any good (especially X10)... is there anything in that direction that the arduino interfaces with, do you know?
Nov 19 01:59:00 <destinal> not sure on the home automation front
Nov 19 01:59:15 <destinal> probably is though
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